Turkish parliament approved military action against Syria

The Turkish parliament gave its approval for military operations outside the country if the government deems it necessary to take such actions, BBC reports

The bill was passed by a confident majority and gives the government the authority, if necessary, to send troops to Syria or carry out strikes against targets in Syria.

On Wednesday, the territory of Turkey was shelled by Syria, killing five people - members of one family.

In response, Turkish artillery shelled the territory of Syria. According to the Syrian opposition, this shelling led to the death of several Syrian soldiers.

However, Turkish Deputy Prime Minister Beshir Atalay said that the decision of the parliament is a preventive measure, and not a mandate to unleash a war.

“This mandate is not a war mandate. But it must be in our hands so that we can use it to protect Turkey’s interests,” Atalay said in a television interview, adding that the government intends to act in coordination with international organizations.

Apologies

Turkish Deputy Prime Minister said that Syria claimed responsibility for the shelling and apologized: "Syria said [...] that nothing like this will happen again. That's good."

Beshir Atalay also said that the UN acted as a mediator in the negotiations with Syria.

Earlier, Turkey appealed to the UN Security Council with a request to discuss the actions of Syria and take the "necessary measures" to stop the Syrian "aggression."

Border crossing Akchakale continues to function

At the request of Turkey, an urgent NATO meeting at ambassadorial level was convened in Brussels, at which the alliance "continued to support Turkey, demanded an immediate cessation of aggressive actions against its ally, and urges the Syrian authorities to end a flagrant violation of international law."

In the summer and autumn of 2011, the Turkish armed forces had already launched air strikes on Iraqi territory in pursuit of Kurdish militants, whose bases were located in that country.

Since the beginning of the uprising against the rule of Bashar al-Assad in Syria, Turkey’s territory has been shelled several times, but the last incident was the most serious.

The shell landed in the courtyard of a house in the town of Akchakala on Wednesday evening, while the family living there was preparing to have dinner. Mother died with three children, as well as her sister.

Representatives of the Turkish security services said that on Thursday the Turkish artillery fired targets in Syria, located in the Tal Abyad area, 10 km from the border.

"Our armed forces in the border areas immediately responded to this heinous attack," the office of Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan said in a statement. "Turkey will not leave such a response from the Syrian regime unanswered against our national security."

Syrian Minister of Information Omran Zoabi expressed "sincere condolences to the families of the victims and our friends, the Turkish people."

After the incident, Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu contacted UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon, UN Special Envoy to Syria Lakhdar Brahimi and NATO Secretary-General Anders Fogh Rasmussen.

Ban Ki-moon called on Damascus to respect the territorial sovereignty of its neighbors, saying that "the Syrian conflict threatens not only the security of the Syrian people, but increasingly harms its neighbors."

According to the NATO spokesman, Rasmussen said in an interview with the Turkish Foreign Minister that he strongly condemns the incident and continues to "closely and with great concern" follow developments in the region.

NATO Secretary General has repeatedly stated that the alliance does not intend to intervene in the events in Syria, but is ready to defend Turkey if necessary.

Comments

[lewerlin53rus]

They would not have warmed all kinds of terrorists, and there would have been no shelling. And they are glad to seize the moment and substitute the Turks and pit two countries

[nycsson]

Quote: lewerlin53rus

And they are happy to seize the moment and substitute the Turks

Framed the Turks? Well, it's you in vain! If anyone was framed, then this is Syria! Turkey made it clear, another shell and that’s it, war!
We are watching a great performance! I am truly sorry for the Syrian people! That there will be a foreign intervention in this country, I have no doubt! There is no doubt that the second such projectile will fly into Turkey in the very near future!

[Pimply]

Which one is it - it is now split into 5-6 parts there.

[crazyrom]

Quote: Pimply

Which one - is it now split into 5-6 parts there?

Parts of the whole 3:

1) Kurds (they have already been released)
2) the Syrian people themselves
3) terrorists (percent 3 of the population).

So we sympathize with 2) and also wish good luck to 1) so that we finally make our Kurdistan, chopping off a piece from Turkey along the way.
Well, of course, we wish 3) to quickly rest and burn in hell.

[Pimply]

Sure?
And there is the following situation -

1) Kurds - a separate topic
2) Alawites + a certain number of Sunnis (of those who occupied important posts)
3) Sunnis - the vast majority of Syrians (about the same as those who rebelled back in 1982), about 60-70 %%.
4) Shiites - who are more attracted to the Alawites, because they are a close sect, but, on the other hand, are relatively neutral
5) Christians are not very small and clogged
6) Druze - now they observe brutal neutrality

The Alavites, who make up the main ruling elite, are supported by Hizabla (Shiites), Iran (Shiites-Persians), Russia (which has Syria in the Middle East as the last bridgehead, everyone else is lost), China (which does not want to strengthen certain forces in the region). Iranian instructors train, Hezbollah guys take part in the massacre - everything is ok.

On the other side are the Sunnis. They are supported by Sunni Turkey - with neo-Omani plans and growing religiosity in society, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, France, the Arab League, the United States - and in this order, except that the CA and Qatar can be replaced in the first place. And in this war, completely ordinary for any civil war, people from abroad are participating.

The Sunnis have militants from a bunch of Sunni countries, Assad has guys from Lebanon and Iran. And if possible, everyone strives to arrange a massacre there - such customs, you did not live in the East. They are not there, white and fluffy. I recommend Iraq to remember.

The rest are hiding. So which of these Syrian peoples do you wish good luck. One people is not there right now

[Cynic]

Quote: Pimply

And there is the following situation -

And USA then excuse me how many parts then consists of?

Something often began to be used in discussions of sophistry on the portal.

[Pimply]

There is no civil war situation in the USA

[Kshatriy]

Quote: Pimply

There is no civil war situation in the USA

Hello Eugene
What a sorrow, that there is no situation ..... but to me personally, I’m terrified how I want to live up to the pin-up civil strife .... A little dirty trick, but it’s nice on my soul ....

[Cynic]

Quote: Pimply

There is no civil war situation in the USA

As always, you have gracefully left the topic.
The answer is incorrect!
United States (USA) is a federation of 50 states

You see sophistry is a double-edged weapon.

[Pimply]

I do not do sophistry. I gave a specific answer as part of the previous conversation.
And you, not finding anything smarter, mock.

[Yeraz]

Quote: crazyrom

to finally make your Kurdistan, chopping off a piece from Turkey along the way.

but it’s in vain if Turkey even tries in what places to get out of the control of the United States and pursue its policy, somewhere it succeeds somewhere, but the Kurds are completely American puppets and their project.

[AIvanA]

I absolutely agree with you, this is only a matter of time when the NATO military operations began. but already with the support of the UN and as an affected party. And Hitler could envy the hypocrisy of the NATO fascists.

[Lord of the Sith]

Turkey provokes war against Syria
04 October 2012 05: 33
ANKARA, Oct. 4 / Asian Reporter /. In an article published by the Turkish newspaper Cumhuriyet, Turkish journalist and political analyst Muna Krik Knat stated that the Turkish government, which supports terrorists and provokes a war in Syria, is in chaos and is unable to withstand internal instability in its country.

In her opinion, the Government of the Justice and Development Party seeks to limit people's freedom instead of solving the problems of poverty, social inequality, lack of individual freedom, and violation of human rights.
This is not democracy, but chaos, the journalist said and emphasized that the Erdogan government does not respect laws and puts pressure on justice, which, in her opinion, proves the state’s retreat in the face of chaos.

Turkish writer, political scientist and journalist Murat Chabas in an article published in the newspaper "Yeni Mesaj" stressed that the policy of the Justice and Development Party is illegitimate and threatens stability in Turkey. Whoever takes up arms against his friends for the sake of the United States will be defeated, the author of the article said.
According to him, Turkish politicians are mistaken who think that following the instructions of the USA and Western countries will protect them from justice. He recalled that many of the politicians who carried out the dictates of the United States were punished by the States themselves, despite the fact that they were their allies.

The political scientist noted that the position of the Government of the Justice and Development Party, which clearly supports armed terrorist groups in Syria, creates many problems for Turkey in the international arena.
In his view, this government is a tool in the hands of the United States. At the same time, the States themselves, as well as Western countries and Israel, prefer to stand behind the scenes in the process of destruction and fragmentation of Syria, while the Turkish government calls on the NATO bloc to intervene in Syria.

The journalist noted that members of the Justice and Development Party government are unable to refute information published by some Western media about his involvement in the arming of terrorist groups in Syria. Chabas cited the example of the publication of the British newspaper The Independent, which says that various weapons are concentrated on the territory of Turkey, in particular, anti-aircraft and anti-tank installations, which are then sent to armed groups in Syria.

The Tunisian newspaper At-Tunisiyya confirmed that the Turkish special services are finishing off the wounded terrorists - natives of various Arab countries - in order to hide their presence in the ranks of the armed groups operating in Syria.
The newspaper noted that many of them who received moderate injuries died after being taken to Turkish territory, where, in theory, they should have been treated. According to the newspaper, its sources confirmed the death in Turkey of five Libyans wounded in Syria and one Tunisian due to the lack of necessary medical assistance.

Many of the Arab and foreign fighters left the battlefields and returned to their countries, as many Libyans, Jordanians, Egyptians, and Chechens did. This is due to discrimination: they do not receive treatment abroad, and in Syria, terrorists burn the wounded and killed in order to hide their presence in their ranks.
The newspaper referred to reports that members of armed groups burn the bodies of Arab and foreign mercenaries in order to destroy evidence proving that non-Syrian militants are fighting in the groups.

[Lord of the Sith]

Turkish police dispersed protesters against war with Syria

The Turkish parliament (Majlis) in closed session discusses the start of a military operation in neighboring Syrian territory. Last night, border units in the city of Akchakal, where on Wednesday the shell hit the Syrian side, killing five people, already fired at Syrian territory.

Meanwhile, an action against the military intervention of Turkey in the affairs of a neighboring state is taking place near the parliament building. The demonstrators tried to get to the entrance to the parliament, but was stopped by the police. Due to the reluctance of the demonstrators to disperse and their attempts to break through the cordon, law enforcement officers used gas, ITAR-TASS reports.

The issue of giving the army a mandate to carry out an operation in Syria was raised the night before by the Turkish government. The initiative immediately met with a negative reaction. Ordinary citizens fear that the transfer of new powers to the army will lead to a new aggravation of relations with Damascus and to war.

According to authorities, the blows inflicted by Turkish artillery on Syrian territory last night and this morning hit the points from where the fire was being fired towards the Turkish border near Tell Abyad. Here, the confrontation between the rebels and the Syrian army has been going on for two weeks now.

The Turkish population is worried about whether the country will stop supplying electricity to Syria. The government says the shutdown is not being considered. "We are not dealing with the people of Syria, but with the wrong actions of the regime. More than 30 thousand people have died there, and this number is growing every day," said Minister of Energy and Natural Resources Taner Yildiz. In his opinion, the current tension between Turkey and Syria will not lead to an open military confrontation.

The day before, as a result of a shell hit in a residential building in the city of Akchakale, five people were killed, another 13 were injured. Turkey believes that the shell was fired by units of the Syrian Republican Army. At Ankara's request, an emergency meeting of the NATO Council on the situation on the Syrian-Turkish border was convened late on Wednesday evening. As a result, the North Atlantic Council adopted a statement in which it assured that the Alliance "fully supports Turkey" and "demands that Syria immediately cease any aggressive actions" against Ankara.

[tarks]

Majlis??
somewhere we have already heard this word. truth?

[Che]

Lord of the Sith,
The alliance should withdraw its mercenaries from Syria and close the border to block the flow of weapons for bandits. Here is a solution to the problem, not a corner.

[Che]

Lord of the Sith,
+++ It is interesting to read comments with info. Should Russia also announce a decision to use the armed forces in the conflict on the side of the Syrian people? Can Syria defend its independence? Maybe the Turks will agree to close the borders for mercenaries. This will save Turkey from chaos. Well, amers will get a bunch, but this is better than a bloody massacre organized by the Nazis.

[Joker]

Oh my God, if the government didn’t have pisses, this whole thing can be settled with one call, Putin will call the White House and say if at least one Russian in Syria suffers, we will be forced to declare war on Turkey, but at the same time it’s not sweet for the rest we’ve slept to send all our nuclear forces to the territory of NATO countries, and we’ll launch a couple of submarines with nuclear weapons at your shores, so grab your dog, otherwise you will answer for your actions with your pack! that’s all, the Americans will be obscured right away, they will not unleash the world’s 3, we’ll cover the whole earth if something happens, it’s time to show who is the boss at home and who should sleep on the rug by the door, stop playing, the games have already ended.

[Lord of the Sith]

it is enough for Putin to ask the Russians to refrain from trips to Turkey through the Foreign Ministry. Tourism losses are budget losses for many billions ...

[Pimply]

Are you sure? For Russia it will be more losses, at times. And even with an implicit result. Transfer?

[Joker]

List Zhen, I'm interested

[Pimply]

Restrictions on technology imports, such as restrictions on cooperation
If real action is taken, Turkey can also be expected to increase activity in the Caucasus.
The final loss of positions in the Arab world, and the destruction of positions in Western countries.

Given the enormous flow of weapons and a real split in Syria, it is implicit that tasks will be achieved.

[aksakal]

Quote: Pimply

Technology Import Restriction

- what technologies from Turkey? What are you talking about? They consider it an honor to study at the Baku Polytechnic, where Landau studied and where they collected the first computer in the Union of Nairi), which is a cut above all the Istanbul and Ankara technical universities combined!

Quote: Pimply

The final loss of positions in the Arab world, and the destruction of positions in Western countries.

- since when does Turkey have such influence in Russia that it’s a direct loss? The positions that Russia now has in the Arab world cannot be made worse at the moment, but if Syria is defended, force is respected in the East. And only power, except for the Almighty. Brains, high spirituality - all this in the Middle East is an empty phrase. Once from the heart, beat someone thread, so that not a single living soul is left, no, that would remain, but gone crazy from animal fear - and you are automatically respected people in this world. So, at the expense of Turkey or Qatar, will we lose the rest? At the expense of Turkey or Qatar, however, it is possible to restore, not a question at all.

Quote: Pimply

If real action is taken, Turkey can also be expected to increase activity in the Caucasus.

- Russia has never rigidly exchanged its problems with its neighbors. But as soon as something starts in the Caucasus at the expense of Trutsia, it starts in Turkish Kurdistan, it’s high time for Turkey to touch its udder. To begin with, it is emphasized to accept in the Kremlin a kakog-thread of Odzholan. And if your sheep aren’t completely sheep, they will quickly understand everything.

And it's time to stop the flow of Russian tourists. Spruce-fires, Russians go to Turkey because of the good service arranged by the Turks with Russian money, which they exported all kinds of Ismailov from Russia.
It is more logical to equip Krasnodar region with the same money and let the Russians relax in their homeland.

[Pimply]

Someone said technology imports from Turkey? No, dear. Europe, partly Asia, the States and Canada. And what about Turkish technology?

Quote: aksakal

since when did Turkey have such influence in Russia that it’s a direct loss?

Because there is not only a Turkish game. And the game, including European and Arab. Both Russia and there have something to lose.

Disconnect for a second from fantasies - against Assad now half the world, and Russia is not so strong as to dominate the region, like the United States.

[aksakal]

Quote: Pimply

Someone said technology imports from Turkey? No, dear. Europe, partly Asia, the States and Canada. And what about Turkish technology?

- Well, for the sake of some third countries, Europe, the States (well, I don’t know such a miracle as Canadian technology, don’t tell. Is it a bombard, or what?) will refuse to sell yesterday’s technology to Russia! Today's they do not sell, and yesterday - not at this time. The crisis, if anything, is not in Russia.

Quote: Pimply

Because there is not only a Turkish game. And the game, including European and Arab. Both Russia and there have something to lose.

- do you really recognize Turkey as a pawn? So much the worse for her -)))). In fact, with such a GDP, a level of development and such a population, it would be time to get out of the "pawn" children's pants. It's funny and ashamed of Turkey.

Quote: Pimply

Disconnect for a second from fantasies - against Assad now half the world, and Russia is not so strong as to dominate the region, like the United States.

- Half the world - under the States, do not tell. Stop whitewashing the States, like, they have nothing to do with it, they jumped onto the bandwagon ... Not a single political bunch in this half of the world, and especially in the Middle East, is done without the knowledge, any kind of support from the main hegemon of the planet, there’s no need to tell a fairy tale about half the world who thinks independently and about the States that have fallen into a difficult situation and are jumping somewhere at the last moment. There are no children sitting here.

[Pimply]

Refuse, dear, refuse, if they are shy.

Quote: aksakal

- do you really recognize Turkey as a pawn? So much the worse for her -)))). In fact, with such a GDP, a level of development and such a population, it would be time to get out of the "pawn" children's pants. It's funny and ashamed of Turkey.

No, I don’t think Turkey is a pawn. I repeat - if the game is in progress, it does not mean that it is only Turkish, and does not mean that Turkey is a pawn. I have listed who plays and in what order.

Quote: aksakal

- Half the world - under the States, do not tell. Stop whitewashing the States, like, they have nothing to do with it, they jumped onto the bandwagon ... Not a single political bunch in this half of the world, and especially in the Middle East, is done without the knowledge, any kind of support from the main hegemon of the planet, there’s no need to tell a fairy tale about half the world who thinks independently and about the States that have fallen into a difficult situation and are jumping somewhere at the last moment. There are no children sitting here.

The states would really like that. But the reality is that too much is happening without their knowledge. Do you think all these revolutions were a joy to them? They had established strong ties with most regimes. And then I had to fuss, so as not to lose my position.

[Ustas]

Quote: aksakal

It is more logical to equip Krasnodar region with the same money and let the Russians relax in their homeland.

Here I am with both hands.
But ... Then the prices should be many times lower than in Turkey, and the service is higher than in Europe. In the meantime, the opposite is observed.

[Che]

Pimply,
In this case, Turkey will lose more than us. And in the Caucasus, they do not stop the intervention. And not only in the Caucasus. Therefore, our losses will be minimal.

[escobar]

It is a pity that none of the NATO company speaks of convoys with weapons and bandits from Turkey.

[orfo]

they are also silent about orange tanks, then they will say that Syria used chemical weapons, democratic NATO is right there ...

[Vladimir 70]

They will find the Turks on their ass ... adventure! Do not the Turks really understand that they will be framed by European people?

[nycsson]

Quote: Vladimir 70

Do not the Turks really understand that they will be framed by European people?

They all understand very well, therefore they organized a rally against the war! But Erdogan is a statesman who dances to their tune and does what is beneficial to them. Amer on their own will not fight there, they will bomb the maximum, and the Turks will come down for cannon fodder ......

[Gorchakov]

All the same, with the help of provocations, NATO managed to find a pretext for invading Syria ... I told you and I say that Jews, Turks, Anglo-Saxons and Americans cannot be trusted ... And so it happened ... Well, okay ... quietly uncover the "poplars" .....

[v53993]

And in parallel to cover the fifth column.

[nycsson]

Quote: v53993

And in parallel to cover the fifth column.

She is everywhere, how are you covering her? Does his dirty deeds. One army reform is worth .......

[nycsson]

Quote: Gorchakov

It is necessary to quietly uncover the "poplars" .....

You cannot do anything in the fields. Moreover, they are already uncovered! You won’t beating poplars along your borders ........... All this power was created so that it flew across the ocean, and not to Eurasia and the Middle East .........

[fern]

Yeah. just right after the poplar. God forbid that they be applied at least once

[Marine One]

Support!

[Aaron Zawi]

And what did someone promise you? And then the "poplar" and so on alert, must stand. The Strategic Missile Forces exist for this.

[nik6006]

It is necessary to uncover the factories for the production of cruise missiles, and non-cruise tactical ones too, helicopters there, more new attack aircraft .... It's time to actively grow our allies - the army, aviation and navy!

[v53993]

Ban Ki-moon called on Damascus to respect the territorial sovereignty of its neighbors, saying that "the Syrian conflict not only threatens the security of the Syrian people, but increasingly harms its neighbors."

But what, when the Turkish government presents its territory to the bases of militants terrorizing Syria and the corridors for their penetration into a neighboring state, does this contribute to the security of the Syrian people and its neighbors? We took the task of carrying chestnuts from the fire for the states, so do not complain about burns.

[bask]

But then there were reasons for aggression in Syria. And the question is, was there a shelling or another Amer’s shell, For the beginning of the aggression, Old, Amer’s scheme. Still in Vietnam applied Well, BB all the hope for you But the Turk must be stopped, you must ways. Better by tough diplomacy.

[Aleks tv]

Senks for this article on the Military Review website.

My opinion remains the same:

Almost a day passed, as "some" incomprehensible single shell fired from the territory of Syria, for some reason, "accidentally" purposefully fell on the Turkish civilian house, killing a family with ... children ... And then the Turkish armed forces began to bombard the territory of Syria on a massive scale.
During the day, the Turkish parliament confirmed the possibility of military operations in Syria ...
Turkey is one of the "members" of NATO. The bloc, in any case, must support its “members”, this is the Military Law. But this is a free hand to the entire NATO bloc. (there is info-zombie on Western TV)
....
Those. The Syrian opposition did not cope with the tasks set and paid and ...
Has Plan B entered?
.........
Those. the justification for the war will be "in any case, and NATO enters the war in the Middle East?" .........
.........
Idiots are sitting in the White House ...
They draw problems for themselves, and for "everyone" on the planet Earth, money is, eprst, dearer to them ...
.........
Take all the "politicians", and throw them on the border of Syria and Turkey (taking away EVERYTHING, including food, but leaving cell phones with blocking calls for help) ...
In a flash, the war would end ...
IMHO.

[nycsson]

Quote: Aleks tv

Those. The Syrian opposition did not cope with the tasks set and paid and ...
Has Plan B entered?

She just coped with her tasks! But one plan! Opposition forced the Syrian army to fight on the border with Turkey. And here, where doesn’t this shell come from .........

Quote: Aleks tv

Idiots are sitting in the White House ...
They draw problems for themselves, and for "everyone" on the planet Earth, money is, eprst, dearer to them ...

They are far from Go ... you act according to the plan ........

[v53993]

Maybe it’s not id ... you but the plan is somehow idiotic for some reason.

[nycsson]

Quote: v53993

but that's just their plan for some reason is idiotic.

To say so, you need to know their goals and objectives .........

[wanderer]

incomprehensible your sarcasm. If the Turks get into Syria, it seems a little, do not compare the army of Syria and Turkey

[CARBON]

And then all this riffraff will trample on their "liberators" for feeding, there are hotels and fruits, not in super-super-democratic Israel, they will climb, where they don't like them, to put it mildly. Because, during the so-called "Arab Spring", a whole class has appeared, which does not want to do a damn thing and cannot do anything, except to run around on "Toyota tanks" to shoot and rob, indiscriminately.

[them]

Wanderer! Turkey and Syria are fighters of different weight categories. But the war against Syria for the Turks may ultimately end in the loss of territories. Chaos is never predictable.

[Bob]

Quote: wanderer

If the Turks get into Syria, it will not seem a little

If the Turks get into Syria, this will be the beginning of their end, because other forces will come in, because this game has very very high stakes. And the fate of not only Turkey and Syria, but also the entire Middle East and the World as a whole will depend on this. The Turks staged a provocation, this is an excuse for war. I think if they said A, they will say B, and there is very little time left. I think that war is inevitable ...

[Pimply]

There are tons of support restrictions.

[nycsson]

Case rubbish! Soon the second shell will fly into Turkish territory and rush .......

[SAVA555.IVANOV]

Hello everyone !!!)))) They give Turkey a warm-up, cut off and they will set us up

[nycsson]

Quote: SAVA555.IVANOV

Hello everybody!!!

Hello! You've been gone a long time!

Quote: SAVA555.IVANOV

They give Turkey a warm-up, burp, and they will set us up

Yeah! No matter how we get in there! Many of us live there .......

[tarks]

first on us. Crimea, you know, is intensively mastered by the Crimean Tatars, which the Turks actually are. Majlis, in any case - the Turkish.

[them]

Turkey? on us? You are joking? They there (in Turkey) do not want to see this scenario even in a nightmare!

[Aleks tv]

"It's rubbish! Soon the second shell will arrive in Turkey and rush"

Ага.
I agree, the namesake (nycsson).
... And "the chariot of war in the Middle East rushed ..."

[lelikas]

I hope that they will not reach the war.

[v53993]

Of course, I apologize, but the Department of State does not give a damn about anyone's hopes.

[tarks]

they are ALREADY at war.
shl
they ALREADY Fought.

[Brother Sarych]

Alarming news - no matter how flaming! Already with suspicious readiness, Turkey responded to a crazy shell ...

[wax]

1. This is heavy artillery, probably the Syrian army (government). There it is necessary to deal with the commander (maybe he was bribed to create an occasion).
2. If Turkey chases the Kurds in Syrian territory, then this is not aggression, self-defense, but if Syria persecutes terrorists in Turkish territory, then this is aggression. NATO standards, however.

[Pimply]

Quote: Wax

2. If Turkey chases the Kurds in Syrian territory, then this is not aggression, self-defense, but if Syria persecutes terrorists in Turkish territory, then this is aggression. NATO standards, however.

No, these are the standards of all. In Russia, Hezbollah and Hamas, for example, are not considered terrorists All follow their interests

[Pimply]

3 killed children and a woman. Given the Sunni fraternity, and other things - why not respond.

[Nevsky]

It is sad. On this site, spears were broken and even wondered how hard it is to push a resolution through the UN Security Council to amers, how hard it is to pass off the "opposition" attacks as government actions, but everything turned out to be simpler - three militants from a mortar launcher shell a "peaceful" Turkish border town here's a reason for the invasion of not just the Turkish army, but the entire horde of NATO.
Why stir up pseudo with the use of chemical weapons allegedly Assad? It is enough to recall the provocation of the Nazis on the border with Poland in 1939!

[Brother Sarych]

Yes, indeed, everything can be much easier to cook up, without any resolutions ...

[CARBON]

Strange guys these Turks, there would be a save, and they are looking for a very costly adventure on their rear. They think that very rich times they have rushing GDP. So it's not for long. However, you don’t have to expect anything else from such a former decomposed empire, a neighbor should drive a knife in the back, but deeper is really in Turkish!

[Nevsky]

Another thing bothers me. If, nevertheless, the invasion of Turkey or + NATO is, it doesn’t matter - limited or a la Iraq, as the Russian weapons behave, all kinds of Armor-S, Coastal complexes, etc. After all, if they take Syria quickly, consider everything:
1. Capture of weapons.
2. Loss of prestige of Russian weapons.
3. And most importantly, a potential and probable adversary near our borders will not reckon with such systems.

[Joker]

Loss of prestige of Russian weapons.

Already in Libya, we’ve gotten tired, I’m sure they won’t climb into Syria either, they’ll wet us with fear, how, we have half of the government living with American handouts, the owner’s dog will not bite.

[Pimply]

Sorry - but nothing, and too problematic.

[studentmati]

The wheel of the "third world" is gaining momentum to horror.

[v53993]

I’m not surprised at anything. If the states organized their own problems on September 11th to solve their problems, the shell from Syria to Turkey is like two fingers ...

[Nevsky]

I agree 100%. I think in 3-4 days there will be another bundle of shells. Although according to the laws of the genre it will not be original. I think they will come up with something else, but with the same effect, Turkish territory will suffer.

[Marine One]

On the one hand, it seems like a provocation. However, it is made incredibly clumsy.
On the other hand, it is possible that some specific border Syrians at some point simply lost their nerves.
On the third hand, the reaction of the world (read NATO) community is generally calm. There is no feeling that the line has been crossed that was before the attack on Yugoslavia in 1999, for example.

[nycsson]

Quote: Marine One

There is no that feeling of "crossed the line"

What does it mean no? Have you read the article carefully? Another such projectile and all ........

[Marine One]

Article by article. The author of the article is hardly sitting at NATO headquarters or at the Pentagon. I say that the specific and all interested parties plan for Syria seems dumb.

[Aleks tv]

Quote: Aleks tv

Has Plan B entered?

(add)

If this is NATO’s “Plan B”, then, in theory, the Russian Navy’s “Plan B” should follow ...
For example:
- “Baton” accidentally sniffing the algae of the Mediterranean Sea from the SF off the coast of Syria (well, he liked them by smell, the algae that grow in the sea off the coast of Syria ... it happens, that’s what I got under them under water) ...
- It would still be desirable to declare a certain sea zone undesirable for visiting merchant ships off the coast of Syria in connection with the “planned” firing of the Russian Navy’s nuclear submarines ...
“It would be quite nice if the Granite was launched under some sort of barge target ...”

This is politics ... Editing it for the monstrous mountains into the most "reluctant" according to the tonsils with a slob ...

And military art is when next to “politics” another secretive Baton peacefully grazes nearby, under the guise of “Barca”.

Here it is - Beautiful ...
They taught me how to act, even though I’m not a moroman.

[Marine One]

I am afraid that the Russian Navy has no plan B. And it’s ridiculous to even think about launching Granites. There is no one there. And it won't.
Incidentally, a nonclassical scenario is quite possible: a land attack on Syria with point connections of aviation.

[Pimply]

Who will deliver the aircraft and how?

[Marine One]

Quote: Pimply

Who will deliver the aircraft and how?

Do not you know that Turkey has long since invented, tested and adopted a land carrier type CVN-666?

[nycsson]

Quote: Marine One

land carrier type CVN-666?

And what kind of wonder ???

[Marine One]

Just kidding)) You understood, no doubt.

[Pimply]

You talked about the participation of the Russian Federation, no?

[Marine One]

I said that talking about the participation of the Russian Navy is meaningless. The forces and means necessary for an "inhibiting demonstration" (in the sense "don't poke your nose at NATO, otherwise you will not be pissed off) physically.

[Pimply]

I completely agree. There the situation is almost unreal.

[Aleks tv]

Perhaps Alexander .. Marine One ... (about plan B of the Russian Navy)

I do not argue whether he is or not.
But it MUST BE DESIGNED.

Although I emphasize once again, it’s not at all a moraine ....

[1976AG]

There is probably a plan "B", but the fact is that it is always worse than plan "A".

[nycsson]

Quote: Aleks tv

If this is NATO’s “Plan B”, then, in theory, the Russian Navy’s “Plan B” should follow ...

They made fun ..........
The Russian Navy has already left for a long time ...........

[Aleks tv]

The namesake (nycsson), if in the first comment I strongly agree with you, but to this statement:
"The Russian Navy has long gone home" ...
To put it mildly ... I sincerely wish that the anchor flies past (you yourself know what) ...
He worked with the marines himself in the First Czech Republic, then constant tedious retraining, sometimes he constantly came across the sea-goers, looked at their sparkling eyes ...
.........
Noooo ... dear namesake ...
The Russian Navy will always live, even if there are no ships.
... a dot in Morse code, or "reception" in TPU ...
I.e .: kEnets of communication.

[nycsson]

Quote: Aleks tv

Noooo ... dear namesake ...

Well no? All the boats are already at home ............. Maybe under water something floats ........

[Aleks tv]

Quote: nycsson

Maybe under water something floats ........

Exactly...

Our fate is in the hands of God (sincerely - Amen, I am Orthodox, but everyone has their own Faith).

But the life of our earthly bodies is in the hands of Our submariners !!! (cohorts of dolphins, one "water carrier", a galaxy of loaves and leopards).
...
I say this as a true tanker - with respect to the Navy and submarine under the "Andreevsky Banner" ...

I myself will NEVER exchange my oily tank black beret from the USSR for the cap of a USSR "submarine" officer ...

But always with them ... I will drink.
"subplav" ... they are ... GOOD MEN ...
I'd rather be under the armor of a "fist" with an open hatch in the "Czech Republic" than in the iron "Vodovoz" beyond the Arctic Circle up to the ice.
That's something like ...

[studentmati]

The "point of no return" has already been passed.

[Nevsky]

I agree too. It is hard to imagine that Syria was stupidly left alone. This is a priori impossible. The goal is selected, and accepted for execution.

[studentmati]

They understand that a pseudo-civil war does not work out, the Yankees understand that their direct invasion is impossible today. So they push Turkey into the war, not asking much about the desire of the people to fight and get a funeral.

[nycsson]

Quote: Nevsky

The "point of no return" has already been passed.

Quote: Nevsky

I agree too. It is hard to imagine that Syria was stupidly left alone. This is a priori impossible. The goal is selected, and accepted for execution.

I always said that sooner or later they would attack Syria. Many disagreed with me, they say our ships were sent there, etc. etc. Here you have the ships ......
Wait is not long ........

[studentmati]

The most frightening thing is the continuation of the slaughter after Syria (everything has been decided on Syria). The taste of blood is addictive like a drug.

[nycsson]

Quote: studentmati

The most frightening thing is the continuation of the slaughter after Syria (everything has been decided on Syria).

Iran is next in turn! Everything is clear here! Only I think that Iran will not sit and watch how its ally is wetted, it still has nothing to lose! Will there still be ........ And the Kurds? I’m even afraid to imagine what kind of batch will be .........

[studentmati]

It is clear that Iran. And development may turn out to be the most unpredictable. And it seems that the opinion of Russia and China is not at all in business. Why a sensation? The way it is. And Iran, in fact, respectfully, is a very strong state!

[nycsson]

Quote: studentmati

And Iran, in fact, respectfully, is a very strong state!

I agree, but not stronger than this pack ...........

[Joker]

And refugees will flood towards us

[studentmati]

There will be no refugees. The patriotism of the Iranians, I think, will be still appreciated by time. They are already ready for a non-standard war, look at the September 21 parade, how many original solutions.

[1976AG]

And that is precisely why we must fight for Syria to the last!

[studentmati]

Russia can only fight on the UN battlefield. But it is clear that today the UN is not quoted. Russia does not accept the struggle in the form of deliveries of all types of weapons, why? Sanctions are all scholasticism. How to fight?

[Raven]

It can be seen for a long time that the Turks did not receive Lyuli already, they want to revive the days of the Ottoman Empire

[Stone]

Turkey is an ally of Hitler Germany! Here is where such provocation skills + the state script come from! Only in the yard is the 21st century.
Will it turn out?

[Marine One]

Nevertheless, I think that it’s too early to bury Syria and Mr. Assad. The exchange of devils with anyone and why the devils is a weak reason for a full-scale attack. However, a precedent has been created and the right of the Turkish army by the local parliament is given.

[tarks]

did you find anything in Iraq?
What was the fault of Gaddafi?
and the Russians are kaneshno always drunk and insane bidel, slaves and enemies of homosexuals. . such, practical ...

although saddam bury really early

[Pimply]

About Gadduffy there is a whole list. To list it?

[tarks]

About Gadduffy there is a whole list. To list it?

start

[Pimply]

Well, let's list?

War with egypt
Explosions of several airplanes and discos (affected USA, Germany, England)
Active support of various terrorist organizations (Spain, Britain, USA, France, etc. are affected)
Regular humiliation of the leaders of the Arab countries - familiarity, populist moves that expose the leaders of different states in an unfavorable light.
Humiliation of Italians (payment for the "occupation"), Bulgarians (dealing with nurses, etc.
The assassination attempt on the king of Saudi Arabia in 2004.

Well, inside the country - pulling the blankets over a number of regions, unpredictable actions.

[tarks]

well, now everything is in order ...

couldn’t he die of mushrooms or just choke on an apple ??

Bulgarians and "leaders" will be left out of brackets, as a product of media quality.

.

[Pimply]

No, he has been running into quality for a long time.
Apples are a very difficult matter, as practice shows. Dictators are one and the same - paranoiacs 8))) What are the only attempts to bang Castro 8)))).

Just turned up a good opportunity - a real uprising. Which started to really win. And when he began to lose - he was really supported. Moreover, mind you - not the Americans. They did not even play the second, third violin. The basis was for Arabs and Italians with the French.

[tarks]

"real uprisings" is a very simple technology. primitive and even boring. but it works precisely because it is simple and primitive.

people believe in simple solutions. as children.

all these "real uprisings" are built on the principle of a holiday of disobedience.

.

[Pimply]

As practice shows, usually everything is not so simple, and boring, and far from as primitive as you think. There are plenty of examples.
Just warm up the rebellion that has already begun. And stir up from scratch - a long, tedious, and, most importantly, not so often necessary. Rebellion - not controlled coup - is always chaos. Unpredictable. Usually someone just jumps onto the bandwagon of an already racing train.

[tarks]

you know, people at certain periods of their growth - purely physical - are very vulnerable. because it is very suggestible.
children love fairy tales, teenagers love weapons.
look at the "oppositionists" with Kalash.
the overwhelming majority of people will be showered with "children" and "teenagers".
.

[Pimply]

Yes, there are not so many children, dear.
On the contrary, there are many healthy adult men. 30-40 years old. Many former or deserted military. Do you think this is the first rebellion in Syria? There were several, but most were local.
Syrians are not a single nation. At the head is the Alawite sect, large enough to hold power, but not only to be a serious majority. Plus there was a certain part of the Sunnis. The current wave of revolutions, for the most part, bears a strong religious character. Everything is very heavily involved in ethno-religious yeast. Plus, serious unemployment in Syria and severe restrictions on freedom, as well as blocked access to the feeding trough for most Sunnis.

[tarks]

about children and adolescents - it means a certain level of mental and intellectual development .. people die as children a hundred years old.
"Everything is very much mixed there on" ....
in any human society there is always something to knead on.
but when a neighbor intervenes in your quarrel with your wife .... it looks strange, right?

[Pimply]

These are not children. And this is not a quarrel with his wife. This is a carnage. In this case, the Sunnis with the Shiites. And the main violin is played by the Sunnis. In this case, nationality does not play such a role here. Religion came first.

[aksakal]

Quote: Pimply

Dictators all as one - paranoid 8)))

- pimply, let's somehow argue on the topic and not operate with these clichés "dictator - Democracy" to the teeth gnashing. We saw democracy in Georgia, so Sahaka is the same dictator. Therefore, everywhere all leaders are dictators, let's get everything out of this plane.

[Pimply]

Is it funny that you always take extreme forms?
However, they managed to hold relatively fair elections, surprisingly one of the few in the post-Soviet space.

[aksakal]

Quote: Pimply

However, they managed to hold relatively fair elections, surprisingly one of the few in the post-Soviet space

- would suit this golden boy to this day - there will be no fair elections. We found a successful replacement in the form of a billionaire and merged it - at the same time, demonstrate the example of Russia about "fair elections". Two birds with one stone - to merge the fool, and here, as you are in this post - and it is still democracy! Bumpy, stop. And yet, rest assured that Putin won this election honestly. He definitely gained the majority, and therefore no Georgia will be an example of "democracy" for her - her nose has not grown.
It’s interesting to argue with you, but let's ignore all these dictators, democrats and others. There is a leader, there is a regime and there are someone's interests. In such a plane — in someone’s interests, such and such a regime is being dismantled, and the leader is being exposed — the necessary should be emphasized (shooting, hanging, burning at the stake, physical castration).
Do not stop - then I will start according to your example, I have known this language since childhood. Yours are fierce bourgeois forces, you personally are a declassified element, Assad is a courageous fighter for the rights of the working Syrian people. Let's then -))))

[Cynic]

Quote: Pimply

mind you - not the Americans. They did not even play the second, third violin.

This is not necessary to make the audience laugh, not everyone’s hearts can withstand such a load.
Donkey or elephant ears stick out from behind any mask.
Puppet theater.

[DEfindER]

Quote: Pimply

Well, let's enumerate? War with Egypt Explosions of several planes and discos (affected by the USA, Germany, England) Active support of various terrorist organizations (affected by Spain, Britain, USA, France, etc.) Regular humiliation of the leaders of Arab countries - familiar communication, populist moves that put the leaders of different states in an unfavorable light. Humiliation of Italians (payment for the "occupation"), Bulgarians (dealing with nurses, etc. The assassination attempt on the King of Saudi Arabia in 2004. Well, inside the country - pulling the blanket over a number of regions , unpredictable actions.

Sheer nonsense, all the attacks that were attributed to him did not find the slightest confirmation of Gaddafi’s involvement in them, and because of his peace and credulity he recognized them and paid huge sums to the relatives of the victims, only to finally leave his country alone! But he did not understand that until he was alive he would not be left behind, and the attempt to kill him related to the downed plane in which he was not in 1981, and the bombing of the residence by amers in 1986 proves it!

At the expense of the Italians, I think there is no need to explain, because of his overwhelming nobility and desire for truth and justice, he could not help but mention the occupation of his country ..

Well, inside the country, it’s even hard to come up with what to reproach for, the socialism that he built, and what ordinary Libyans had with him, not even the most frostbitten democrats could dream of!

[Pimply]

Gadduffy was white, fluffy. He did not commit terrorist acts, but carried peace and prosperity. Funny, the men didn’t know (s)

[DEfindER]

Quote: Pimply

Gadduffy was white, fluffy. He did not commit terrorist acts, but carried peace and prosperity. Funny, the men didn’t know (s)

History will still remember him, who he really was, Hero of Africa, she does not forgive lies!
And I advise you to at least read Wikipedia on these attacks and understand that there is no direct evidence and there can not be, it was just an excuse to demonize it in the eyes of the public, and to untie the hands of the Amersky B.L. AM for lynching!

[Pimply]

Let's hang him a star. And at the same time Dudaev

[Marine One]

I'm talking about the general feeling, about the atmosphere, if you want. Saddam soaked confidently, Gaddafi, too. Apparently, there is no unequivocal position in Syria. The pendulum sways.

[tarks]

the general feeling is the pitting of the natives and the bribing of leaders.

[Marine One]

I agree. Machiavelli's precepts are still valid. But, nevertheless, Assad is difficult to wet, even through the media. He is absolutely not an odious character in comparison with S. Hussein and M. Gaddafi.

[Pimply]

Yes, it’s not difficult. In Russia, it seems complicated. Assad also managed to do a lot of fun. The Arabs are chasing the topic with ordinary Chernukha, the rebels - pictures of ruined children and so on. (and where real, where not - you can’t figure it out already). Technologies have all been worked out a long time ago.

[Marine One]

Maybe you're right. However, in the US I do not see any clear and structured campaign against Assad. And such were against Saddam and Gaddafi. The election is probably to blame. And clearly do not dare to clearly identify the enemy for the next year or two.

[Pimply]

So the United States does not conduct this campaign. The main players are Qatar, CA, Turkey, France, LAS. The United States so jumped on the bandwagon. Too many unpredictable situations. Besides, the election is now. Everything is directed at them.

[Pimply]

With Syria, there is a situation of serious support from the Shiites (Hezbollah, Iran) - Shiites are close to the Alawites, who occupy the main posts. There is also Russia, which did not want to lose its, in fact, last stronghold in the Middle East.

Gadduffy annoyed everyone he could — Egypt, CA — trying to bang the king, Italians, Germans, French, Americans, half of the Arab countries.

The same story with Iraq.

Syria has Shiites. Syria will fall - Iran and others will have a very hard time.

[studentmati]

Iran will fight for Syria for a long time. Syria will fall, Iran's resistance will be many orders of magnitude stronger. Iran has long understood that it is "ordered".

[1976AG]

A weak reason, if we take only Syria and Turkey, and if we add the USA, the situation changes dramatically!

[1976AG]

It seems that this is the very US attempt to solve the problem with Syria bypassing the UN. May everyone be rewarded according to his deeds! Pancake!

[studentmati]

The UN is already in the distant past. There is the agony of the Yankees, who know that if you stop the war machine, then the economy and, consequently, the state and the system, will be a kayuk! The game went vabank. There will be no winners!

[Marine One]

Quote: nycsson

only I think that Iran will not sit and watch the urge of its ally, it still has nothing to lose!

What can Iran do? Send n-tens, hundreds, even thousands of "military advisers"? An exemplary set of cannon fodder ... Iran as a geographical entity may have nothing to lose, but its leaders? I'm not sure if they are ready to fight to the last drop of blood in the name of Allah. For your land is possible. For Syria, or rather Assad is unlikely. Moreover, in military terms, Syria as an ally does not represent a damn thing and will not help Iran in a potential clash with the United States, Israel and allies.

[Pimply]

They allocated 15 billion bucks at the insistence of the head of the IRGC and now he is in very great disfavor, due to the fact that the rebellion is not suppressed.

[Marine One]

In Syria, there is not the type of rebellion that can be suppressed in dollars. And green papers, alas, air defense systems or air-to-air missiles, too, cannot be missed in this situation.

[Pimply]

I agree in many ways. But grandmas were needed to pay soldiers, purchases of weapons, fuel, etc. But the result did not work.

[Marine One]

It seems that the parties to the Syrian conflict provoke a general situation without knowing the final outcome. Moreover, Syria as a country is in many respects an artificial education and, in recent times, preserved also artificially.

[Pimply]

Absolutely agree. By the way, the option of decay into three or four quasi-states is likely. Sunni, Alawites + Shiites, Kurdish.

[Marine One]

Exactly. This is exactly what I’m talking about.

[tarks]

... "But the result did not work out" ... well, how did the result fail ????

put yourself in the place of the one who got dibs and an absolutely controlled territory with mineral resources - and everything will fall into place!

.you as a child, the right word.

Sunnis, Shiites, Alawites ... here Machiavelli mentioned.

[Pimply]

Dear, I repeat - you have a poor idea of ​​the real situation, and real methods of influence. Grandmas are water. And before the water you need soil and shoots, and shoots are strong. And they should be raised by the one on whom the flowers will be angry later.

[studentmati]

Iran takes time, produces plutonium, and does the right thing. It will not save Syria, it will save itself (although it is unlikely, it will only delay time). At least it will enable Russia to slightly raise the military-industrial complex.

[aksakal]

Quote: Marine One

What can Iran do? Send n-tens, hundreds, even thousands of "military advisers"? Sample Cannon Fodder Kit ...

- I don’t see any problems. Iran and, most importantly, Iranians are well aware that the first front line passes in Syria. Turkish attack on Syria - Turkish attack on Iran. And if so, the Iranian parliament approves a law declaring war on Turkey in the event of the latter's attack on Syria. Believe me, a miracle will happen - suddenly absolutely all the shells in Syria will become high-precision weapons and will only fall on the target precisely on Syrian territory and never Turkish.

Quote: Marine One

Moreover, in military terms, Syria as an ally is not a damn thing, and in a potential clash with the United States, Israel and its allies, Iran will not help.

- In Syria, the main ally for Iran is territory. think for yourself, marin he, you reason like a child, with aplomb. What does the military power of Syria? Syria, by the way, has one of the strongest armies in the Arab world.

[nycsson]

Quote: Marine One

What can Iran do?

Quote: Marine One

Send n-tens, hundreds, even thousands of "military advisers"?

Iran can directly side with Syria in the conflict with Turkey! And Iraq will not be left out!

Quote: Marine One

Iran, as a geographical entity, may lose nothing, but its leaders?

Syria is a springboard for a strike on Iran, do not forget that.

Quote: Marine One

For their land is possible. For Syria, or rather Assad is unlikely.

And they will fight for their land, only at distant frontiers.

Quote: Marine One

Moreover, in military terms, Syria as an ally is not a damn thing

I agree, but at least something .....

[Pimply]

Can I have a fairy tale?

[Bosk]

Oh, and I do not believe the shells exploding in a good time, in a good place ...., they’ll now arrange an unlimited police operation and after the victorious war they will get Avganistanans near their border ...... on their jobs, and this is cleaner than Kurdistan. ..., if we recall that Iraq is constantly troubled, and after the departure of the Amer Duc, in general there will be a full kirdyk ..., it turns out that the Black Sea current wakes up quietly on the borders .... It seems that someone is systematically preparing the east to the grand BABAH ...

[Robin_3ON]

Not a real scenario ??
Turkey: The Turkish parliament gave its approval for military operations outside the country if the government considers it necessary to take such action, reports the BBC.
Syria or militants fired on Turkey (it doesn’t matter for Turkey), Turkey is conducting a military operation in Syria, and Syria has warned that it will use chemical. weapons during a foreign invasion, NATO (i.e. the USA) enters a military operation. Iran, most likely, will not stand aside, and since NATO is at war on 2 fronts - to launch a preemptive nuclear strike most likely against Iran ........
and then such a merry-go-round starts that it will vomit many.
This, of course, everything can happen and not so, or maybe everything will be fine, these are my assumptions. But the situation in the Middle East is currently not very good for the whole world.

[studentmati]

In my opinion, the scenario is quite real and has long been calculated by analysts. The states will not use WMDs under the slogan of humanity, but in fact because war by conventional means is much more profitable because it is longer in time, and therefore military factories and the economy continue to work, the bucks printing machine is working to the limit. The goal is not to win!

[Robin_3ON]

studentmati,
States will not use WMD under the slogan of humanity

and Israel, for example, pointwise, to destroy Iran’s nuclear program.

[studentmati]

Israel in hysteria is a fact, but without Big Brother it won’t rock.

[Pimply]

Israel without a big brother rocked several times. For example, this was the case with Osirak, and it was so with the reactor in Syria

[Che]

Pimply,
Now the situation is not that Israel rock the boat. It can burn so that as a state it can disappear.

[1976AG]

But first of all, because the territory is not polluted (they will work there later), and their goal is to overthrow the regime, and not to pollute the zone of their vital interests.

[studentmati]

The Iranian army is actually very strong, and it can trample Israel without WMD, but that is not the point. Israel is in a hurry because it pisses on specific developments of Iran’s WMD. Iran, as a territory, Israel will never occupy, at least without total destruction (they will then work there).

[Pimply]

Can I have a little more detail about the strong army of Iran? What exactly is she strong with?

[Marine One]

If Israel and Iran are destined to cling, then certainly not because of Syria. The current situation in the latter Israel is just not very happy. B. Assad was a more or less predictable neighbor, but those who mark his place are not a fact.

[Pimply]

Completely. Although Assad was also not the best option for Israel - support for Hezbollah, etc. What is called - sewed on soap.

[aksakal]

Quote: Robin_3ON

Syria or militants fired on Turkey (it doesn’t matter for Turkey), Turkey is conducting a military operation in Syria, and Syria has warned that it will use chemical. weapons during a foreign invasion, NATO (i.e. the USA) enters a military operation. Iran, most likely, will not stand aside, and since NATO is at war on 2 fronts - it inflicts a preemptive nuclear strike on Iran most likely ........ and a carousel will start that will vomit many. This of course, everything can happen and not, and maybe everything will be fine, these are my assumptions. But the situation in the Middle East is currently not very good for the whole world.

- really tired. Expecting kipish is worse than kipish, let's get started faster. They started faster, finished faster, quickly equiped the post-war world structure and continue to live peacefully for 80 years. The main thing is that our people fit in kipish so well that they would play in the post-war arrangement again in the first roles and in the first violins, as Stalin played.

[Robin_3ON]

aksakal,

Personally, I do not want Russia to fit in or even worse to get involved in the kipish (although I think it will be difficult for Russia to get away from this), the borders must be strengthened, the armed forces must be strengthened and there is no one to hope for. but at the expense of that quickly started and quickly finished will not work, the United States knowingly called its operation in the Middle East "odyssey", this is just the beginning.

[nycsson]

Quote: Robin_3ON

this is just the beginning.

That's for sure, very dangerous and difficult times await us .......

[Megatron]

But Turkey does not think that in the case of its large-scale offensive, Assad, the vigorous mother, will fall for both them and these militants with chemical weapons, when he realizes that there is really nothing to lose?

Turkey was something of itself only during the heyday of the Ottoman Empire, and now it’s just a passing prostitute from different countries.

It is very likely that if Assad still crashes, Turkey will be the next, despite its loyalty to USA, it will simply suck in this boiler, the process will become irreversible.

[Pimply]

Then Assad is an unambiguous and irrevocable khan.

[Robin_3ON]

MegatronAnd Turkey does not think that in the case of its large-scale offensive, Assad, a vigorous mother, will fall for both them and these militants with chemical weapons, when he realizes that there is really nothing to lose?

Judging by what is happening for Turkey, others have already thought

[Marine One]

I think that does not bum. Hitler did not flop, although he did. Saddam did not dare in due time. Assad is also unlikely to dare. Moreover, there will be no global catastrophe for the Turks and their neighbors from chemical weapons (the Syrian model). The world today is such that even one public statement by Assad or his associates about the chemical attack will transfer the Syrian leadership to the category of rabid animals to be destroyed no matter what their words and actions are caused. With such a development of events, as you yourself perfectly understand, those who wish to attack Syria will not be limited by anything. That is, they will be hollow-hollow-hollow by all means until the last OM molecules in Syrian warehouses turn into harmless vapor.

[tarks]

"Elite" of Turkey thinks with .. to mars.
as an option - an island between the Pacific and Atlantic oceans, on an extreme - on an island near the English Channel, near Berezovsky.

Well, not the elite, as always.

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[Pimply]

The Turkish elite is not in danger. Especially considering their serious military superiority.

[tarks]

the elite is always the number one goal. and knows about it.

military superiority is a pile of iron. it does not work on the button. if this button is not called ideology.

[Pimply]

I repeat - nothing threatens the current Turkish elite from the Syrians.

[Che]

Megatron,
After Ataturk, Turkey was a secular state and developed well. It is a pity they began to dance to the Amerian tune. Maybe Alibek will appear on the site and reassure members of the forum.

[Megatron]

Hitler did not flop, although he did.

Something I have not heard about this, is it possible in more detail?

Saddam did not dare in due time.

And he didn’t have it, all the Americans came up with it, then they themselves admitted that they did not find anything. Non-nuclear SCADS were like, but it's just rockets, like our ISKANDERS.

The world today is such that even one public statement by Assad or his associates about the chemical attack will transfer the Syrian leadership to the category of rabid animals to be destroyed no matter what their words and actions are caused.

That’s what they say and will not, they just go bang and that's it when they realize that everything is already lost.

The Turkish elite is not in danger.

If they manage to leave the country in time, yes.

[Pimply]

He had chemistry.

[Dinver]

Saddam's chemistry was not even recognized by the Americans themselves.

[Pimply]

Sadam did not find biological weapons. And the chemical was up to a fig. Do you think that comrade used in the war with Iran and in the suppression of Kurdish uprisings. A relative of his Chemical Ali, you think they nicknamed him for doing chemistry on his hair?

[Marine One]

He had no biology. But chemistry was just there. Read about the gas attack in Halabja, for example. It was a vile affair.

[Magadan]

The common people are sleeping and see how to deal with their hands with the hands of the Turks. It remains to be hoped for a wave of popular protests in Turkey itself against the war.
In general, Paisius Svyatorets predicted the return of Constantinople to Greece. He said that there would be some sort of mess and Turkey would lose Constantinople. The winners in this mess will not know what to do with this Constantinople and decide to restore historical justice by returning it to the Greeks. Our kings also dreamed about this. Maybe this all goes?

[Kern]

Conduct exercises on the landing of the Vostok battalion with the support of front-line aviation, electronic warfare and pissing slippers, reminiscent of the Turkish coast. And that the Foreign Ministry would say that this is by no means a preparation for a peacekeeping operation in Turkey.

[Pimply]

Wonderful. Only now the Vostok battalion has been disbanded, do you know? And on what will electronic warfare and front-line aviation float to a possible landing point?

[Kern]

Pimply,
Nope, not in the know, and it does not matter, the meaning is different.

[Pimply]

It has. The point is that Russia has nothing to cover in that region. Like this. This is to the questions - why are, for example, Mistral needed.

[Kern]

There is nothing to cover!
Caucasus 2012? no, I have not heard. There are no misrals, we will all die !! 111

[Pimply]

Yeah. Caucasus 2012. This, of course, is good, but I will ask again - for example, describe the air cover?

[nycsson]

Quote: Kern

Caucasus 2012? no, I have not heard.

This is not a teaching ........ one name ........

[Sasha 19871987]

away we go .... well amers ... one hundred percent without them could not have done

[Kern]

Pimply,
Nope, not in the know, and it does not matter, the meaning is different.

[Sars]

That I have been hearing Assad Khan for more than a year.
Israel waves its fists, but without a big brother it doesn’t get into a mess.
Europe has no "plan B" - they do not even really want to get involved in a war with Syria.
Iran is on the verge of mobilization (10 bayonets). In the event of hostilities in Turkey, he will begin to transfer troops to Syria through Iraq.

Yes, we urgently need to start uprooting the fifth column - it will interfere very much.

[nycsson]

Quote: SarS

In the event of hostilities in Turkey, he will begin to transfer troops to Syria through Iraq.

So it will be, Iran will not sit idly by, it has nothing to lose!

Quote: SarS

Yes, we urgently need to start uprooting the fifth column - it will interfere very much.

But how do you remove it, is it everywhere, in all authorities !?

[Pit Bull59]

Even if Russia uses the Armed Forces (this is unlikely) and responds to Turkey, first, our authorities will need to evacuate all our tourists, etc. And this is very costly and troublesome. And suspicions will immediately arise: "Russia is up to something ..." We just need to find (as the United States did) a good performer. But who will become? Maybe IRAN?

[wolverine7778]

We just need to find (as the United States did) a good artist. But who will it be? Maybe Iran?
So, just who do we need it, and does Iran really need to jump on Turkey ???

[Geokingxnumx]

Quote: Pit Bull59

Even if Russia uses the Armed Forces (this is unlikely) and answers Turkey, for a start our authorities will need to evacuate all our tourists, etc. And it is very expensive and troublesome.

the third World Warrior will answer inevitably
Then we will boldly show why we have three arms and three legs!
it will be sooooo big big Chernobil
hardly anyone will survive
I hope that everything will calm down

[Manager]

Quote: GEOKING95

the third World Warrior will answer inevitably
Then we will boldly show why we have three arms and three legs!
it will be sooooo big big Chernobil
hardly anyone will survive
I hope that everything will calm down

Agree with you.
How are you doing?

[Geokingxnumx]

Quote: Manager

Agree with you.
How are you doing?

everything is calm and good!
for 3 days of a few banks, money was stolen and 20 of machines broke glass
want to pile on the Georgian dream

[Altor86]

Syria is the prologue of the war with Iran. Everyone sees how they are strangling it economically. There have already been riots by the merchants. The blockade is not going anywhere. And merchants and bankers are always the fifth column.

[skullcap]

1. An idiot understands that the legitimate Syrian government, responsibly and courageously defending the right of its people to live in bloody battles with terrorist gangs, an additional military conflict with a neighboring country, behind which the strongest and most aggressive military bloc looms, is like death.
Therefore, with 200% confidence, we can speak of this incident as a provocation.
And the behavior of the Erdogan regime indicates that the regime decided on the choice between the interests of the Turkish people and their accounts in foreign banks in favor of the latter. In the hope that when a wave of chaos sweeps over their loyal Turkey, they will be able to slip into their accounts at the last moment. But will they be accepted, orphaned, by the owners, or will they decide that it is wiser to manage these accounts themselves?
Wait and see.
2. Recent events in Syria suggest that it is time for Russia to prepare with might and main for the possible spread of chaos controlled by Anglo-Americans to its borders and - which is especially dangerous - within our country.
I want to remind you that among the millions of migrants from the East, prepared groups have long been organized, the purpose of which is to raise these millions to riots and pogroms by command at the right moment with the help of pre-planned provocations.
Hoping for state security agencies, we must prepare ourselves in the most serious way.
The fact that many site visitors have stocked up on Saigas is very prudent. But this is not enough. It’s time to seriously organize on the ground into self-defense detachments, to determine in advance the tasks of self-defense in the X hour, positions, communications within the detachment and with the neighbors ...
It is time.

[nycsson]

Quote: kosopuz

2. Recent events in Syria suggest that it is time for Russia to prepare with might and main for the possible spread of chaos controlled by Anglo-Americans to its borders and - which is especially dangerous - within our country.

Yes, while our rulers are sleeping in a collar ........ some statements, they say, need to keep gunpowder dry, etc., and where are the specific actions? And specific actions are aimed at further collapse of the army. Is it really impossible to extend the period of conscription by two years at such a dangerous time, because this is obvious! It is high time to urgently create units and formations and equip them with personnel from the military enlistment offices.

Quote: kosopuz

I want to remind you that among the millions of migrants from the East, prepared groups have long been organized, the purpose of which is to raise these millions to riots and pogroms by command at the right moment with the help of pre-planned provocations.

And I heard about it. They will blow up the Caucasus and Tatarstan with Bashkiria, at least they talk about it.

Quote: kosopuz

Hoping for state security agencies, we must prepare ourselves in the most serious way.

I agree completely.

Quote: kosopuz

The fact that many site visitors have stocked up on Saigas is very prudent. But this is not enough. It’s time to seriously organize on the ground into self-defense detachments, to determine in advance the tasks of self-defense in the X hour, positions, communications within the detachment and with the neighbors ...
It is time.

The point is ..........

[NAV-STAR]

There is an opinion about the imminent, very bloody, batch in the Arab world. And it’s sad to realize that the NATO bosses, being dissatisfied with the results of the work of mercenary rebels, are playing a larger card, which will play with the first bullet of the same rebels released.

[Marine One]

Quote: Megatron

Hitler did not flop, although he did.

Something I have not heard about this, is it possible in more detail?

The Soviet military archives published in the 90s contained the following information about what was discovered in the chemical arsenals of Nazi Germany and subsequently flooded by the Allies mainly in the Baltic Sea. 71 pieces of two hundred and fifty-kilogram bombs equipped with mustard gas were reported; 469 14 pieces (258-kilogram and 250-kilogram) bombs equipped with chloroacetophene, diphenylchloroarsine and arsine oil and adamite; 500 artillery shells of caliber 408mm, 565 mm and 75 mm, equipped with mustard; 105 150 chemical mines of 34 kg and 592 kg, loaded with mustard; 20 50 chemical smoke mines of a caliber of 10 mm; 420 technological tanks containing 100 tons of mustard gas; 1004 barrels containing 1 tons of adamsite and diphenylchloroarsine; 506 tons of process tanks with toxic substances, which contained cyanide salt, chlorarsin, cyanarsin and axelsarsin.

[Strashila]

This happened ... Bosnia ... Sarajevo ... there, too, a mine flew in from Serbia ... years passed, experts concluded that Serbs had nothing to do with it ... but they couldn’t return the dead, they couldn’t restore the integrity of Serbia. On the website it was reported that in Libya, heavy weapons are spreading in an unknown direction ... maybe something surfaced on the border with Syria ... shells in Libya lay like peas in the desert. Maybe they grumbled out of the bucket. Turkey reacted very jokingly, even the expert investigation team didn’t created as if waiting for something ... and waited.

[Megatron]

I don’t believe that Hitler “didn’t dare”, he simply didn’t have time, or there was no way to apply it in time.

[dirty trick]

but it seems to me that it was something like this:

[Cynic]

Yusovtsi will be drawn only when the result is not predicted
labor!
NATO could not agitate without a UN resolution, but Turkey ...
Two scenarios: either peacekeepers, or we stood here for a long time!