Revolver Reloading: Faster and Faster

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The 1902 Smith & Wesson Military & Police revolver with a left-folding barrel is a classic of the swing-out revolvers! The work of the extractor is clearly visible. Author's photo

“... he has the speed of a unicorn,
devours peoples hostile to him,
crushes their bones
and strikes the enemy with his arrows.

The fourth book of Moses. Numbers 24:8

stories about weapons. So, in the previous article, we got acquainted, firstly, with the next attempts to circumvent the patents of a number of large firms, and secondly, with the developments of gunsmith designers to ensure high-speed reloading of their revolvers. "He who shoots second is the first to be killed." They remembered this, and if so, it was very important to make sure that the shooter could replenish the ammunition of his weapon and not remain unarmed in front of a new enemy. And the easiest way to solve this problem was the quick change of the drum, first carried out on Remington revolvers. But gunsmiths in Europe did not lag behind.


Dean Harding's conversion revolver. Photo littlegun.be

And sometimes they created very interesting designs. Thus, the famous creator of new revolvers, Robert Adams, parted ways with the firm "Dina" in 1856 and instructed Frederick Beaumont to develop a new model that would be both single and double action. But the designer William Harding remained there, who, together with the owners of the company, patented the design of a percussion revolver that could work both in single and double action.




Dean Harding's conversion revolver. Near the ramrod from the handle. Photo littlegun.be

But then cartridge revolvers appeared, and Dean and Harding patented a rare transitional model of a .44 caliber revolver, which was supplied to the market with two drums at once: one primer and another for cartridges. The hammer is designed in such a way that it can fire either rimfire cartridges or primers, while retaining the loading lever under the barrel, typical of primer fire revolvers.


Dean Harding's conversion revolver. Working with a ramrod. Photo littlegun.be

Dean Harding's later revolvers already received the lever-actuated cartridge case ejection rods typical of the time.

Revolver Reloading: Faster and Faster

In 1865, the American W. Mason (1865, US pat. No. 51117) finally received a US patent for a revolver with a folding drum.

The axis of the drum in his revolver was spring-loaded, and under the barrel was a wooden "hat". It was possible to pull it, take it out of its nest, and thus tilt the drum to the side for reloading. But this revolver never appeared in metal.

And then, finally, the Frenchman Levo in 1873 received a patent for a revolver with a folding drum, practically no different from modern designs.


Drawing of Levo's revolver from the 1873 patent. The diagram below shows the operation of the l-shaped drum discharge lever. Photo guns.allzip


Scheme of action of the Levo revolver from the 1873 patent. Photo guns.allzip


Revolver Levo in metal. Photo guns.allzip

In the Levo revolver, the drum leaned to the right. Why? And the thing is that at that time the revolver was a cavalry weapon, and they held it in their left hand, and there was a saber in their right! Therefore, the drum leaned to the right, so that it would be more convenient to reload it.


Shattuck revolver. Right view. Photo littlegun.be


One of the first revolvers of the Shattuck type. The drum has been pulled out of the frame. Photo littlegun.be

Naturally, both imitations and attempts to circumvent the patent immediately appeared. In particular, in the USA - a small American pocket revolver for 5 rounds of .32 caliber rimfire. It was one of the first "switch drum" revolvers made in America. Patented on November 4, 1879, it was manufactured in small quantities by the C.S. Shattuck Company of Hatfield, Massachusetts.


A. Hyde US Patent No. 221171, which produced Shattuck revolvers. Photo littlegun.be

The axis of the drum was fixed under the barrel with a screw. With the help of a cam on the right side, the back of the drum was released, which could then turn outward for loading.


"Shattuck" 1880. View from the left. The screw under the barrel is clearly visible, which was the axis of rotation of the axis of the drum. Photo littlegun.be


"Shattuck" 1880. View from below. Photo littlegun.be

On the handle plates on the right is an embossed portrait of Abraham Lincoln and on the left is James A. Garfield, two presidents who left a prominent mark on stories United States, but were eventually killed.


Handle with a portrait of President Garfield. Photo littlegun.be

The system, of course, turned out to be funny. The cylinder "leans back" 90 degrees to the side, and the liners are removed in one motion. Made in 1880. Circulation several thousand. Revolvers chambered in .22, .32, .38 and .41 are known.


The drum could be removed from the axle… Photo by littlegun.be

The production of "shattungs" continued into the twentieth century. So, in the period from 1907 to 1915, several thousand of these revolvers were produced. There are .22 and .32 caliber revolvers chambered for rimfire cartridges. Some .25 and .30 calibers exist but are quite rare. Nickel plating was standard on most models, but blued examples are very rare. Interestingly, on the trunks of some of the Shattungs there was an inscription: "Invisible Protector."

The company "Varnan" offered its own version of a folding magazine with simultaneous extraction.


The scheme of the revolver "Varnan" from the patent. Photo littlegun.be

The lever behind which the drum leaned back, and, again, to the right, was under the barrel. And when the drum on the frame leaned back, this lever could be pressed and thus the extractor rod could be pulled out of the drum, which was also the axis of rotation of the drum. The system was quite simple, convenient and reliable.


Revolver "Varnan" double action. In the photo, the lever is tilted down for ease of working with the drum. Photo littlegun.be


Revolver "Varnan". The drum is fully retracted. The axis of the drum is clearly visible. Photo littlegun.be


The gunsmith W. Mason in 1881 received a patent for a revolver with a retractable drum with cartridge case extraction and a drum lock on the left side of the frame. The extractor retractor was similar to the mechanism of a Smith and Wesson revolver, due to which the extraction took place automatically. Scheme from US Patent No. 249649

In France, the Saint-Etienne revolver of 1892 was created, in which the drum also leaned to the right. The drum extractor was manual on the drum axis. The revolver was used from 1893 to 1965 and, despite the fact that its small caliber and weak bullet action were noted as a drawback, it proved to be a very good weapon.


Revolver "Saint-Etienne" 1892 "marine" nickel-plated. Photo littlegun.be


Revolver with retracted drum. Photo littlegun.be


Revolver "Saint-Etienne" 1892 in a holster. Photo littlegun.be

But the Francott revolver, already created in Belgium at the same time, received a reloading system with a drum that leaned to the left. The trunk is round with a flat top stripe. The trigger is massive with a striker. On the left side of the case there is a Mauser type fuse. The handle consists of two plates of walnut wood and ends with a ring.


Francott revolver. Right view. Photo littlegun.be


Francott revolver. View from the left. Photo littlegun.be


Francott revolver. Drum mounting on the front rack and extractor rod. Photo littlegun.be

Naturally, the Smith & Wesson firm, which made a fortune in the production of turning point revolvers for the Russian Imperial Army, did not stand aside from innovations with a reclining drum.


Revolver "Smith and Wesson" - Military & Police. The revolver is very comfortable in the hand. Author's photo


In size, it is only slightly larger than the Nagant, but in terms of power and convenience, they are not comparable! Author's photo

The new "Smitvesson", created in 1899, really liked the American sailors and ... policemen. The latter at that time were armed with the New Police Colts mod. 1896 in .32 caliber (7,65 mm). And although the revolver was light and convenient, the stopping effect of its bullets was relatively small. Of course, there was also an army .45 caliber, but such revolvers were heavy for the police (and sailors, they don’t shoot often!)


Revolver with retracted drum. Author's photo


Drum fastener button. Author's photo

So the police started ordering them along with fleet. New orders - new money. It is not surprising that by 1905 the revolver had been improved seven times, in particular, in 1902 it was adapted for the stronger .38 Special cartridges.


Revolver advertising for two types of cartridges

Therefore, in 1905 he began to be called the "military policeman" (Military & Police), without any mention of his "naval" origin. In 1957, all the "Smithwessons" received serial numbers, and this revolver received the number 10. So, the "ten" is produced ... until now! Perfection seems to have been achieved!


"Nagan" 1910. Photo by littlegun.be


With retracted drum. Photo littlegun.be


The drum, as on the model of 1895, was seven-cartridge! Photo littlegun.be

By the way, the fashion for reclining drums also touched the famous "revolver". In 1910, a "revolver" appeared with a drum that leans to the right. Very simple, traditionally reliable, retaining all its previous advantages, but having lost the "bag loading". But, alas, they did not even try to accept him into service with the Russian army. And why, it seems, when the era of self-loading pistols has already begun. As a result, before the war, she did not receive either an automatic pistol or a new, more modern revolver, which our industry could master very quickly.
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  1. +3
    27 May 2022 03: 44
    In 1910, a "revolver" appeared with a drum that leans to the right. Very simple, traditionally reliable, retaining all its previous advantages, but having lost the "bag loading". But, alas, they did not even try to accept him into service with the Russian army. And why, it seems, when the era of self-loading pistols has already begun.

    What pistols? The Nagant revolver was adopted in 1895. During the Russo-Japanese War of 1904-1905, not all officers were armed with them, the Russian Smith-Wesson caliber 4.2 line was present in large quantities. Pistols never appeared in service with the Russian army. What was the officers bought at their own expense.
    1. +4
      27 May 2022 03: 50
      For quick reloading, an additional drum was bought. It is not very convenient to carry this round with you, but it still increased the possibilities. Moreover, changing the drum in the revolver is perhaps faster than in the PM store.
    2. 0
      19 June 2023 18: 29
      As a result, Nagant was produced until 1945, and removed from service in 2005
  2. 0
    27 May 2022 03: 52
    But anyway, even the Colt Detective Special ... I can easily put the PSM in my trouser pocket, and you can’t see at close range that I’m armed. And with a revolver, even such a stub as a detective was in a hurry - yes, only put it in an axillary holster
    1. +2
      27 May 2022 09: 19
      "under the muscle holster" How was the Cattle? At Richard Prather
    2. +1
      27 May 2022 20: 03
      If you wish, you can try a "summer" holster (hidden carry) made of soft leather with a clip. True, we don’t have them for sale, you will have to sew yourself and, of course, work on mastering the skill of concealed carrying, but this applies to any pistol. But what is the speed of grip and quick application, I think it will be more difficult to compete with PSM. Although everything is relative here, they are still different means and are not universal in all conceivable situations. In short, it's a matter of taste and personal preference. And, as you know, they don’t argue about tastes and, in decent companies, they don’t impose tastes.
  3. +8
    27 May 2022 03: 54
    Good morning everyone and have a nice day! smile
    Thanks to Vyacheslav for continuing the topic, the article contains novelties hitherto unknown to me, I think, not only to me.
    There are some minor misunderstandings that need clarification:
    Dean Harding conversion revolver...
    ...and Dean and Harding patented...
    ... William Harding remained the designer there,

    Either a series of typos, or the editor got it wrong. request smile
    The rest of the article is good. good
    1. +6
      27 May 2022 06: 36
      Quote: Sea Cat
      Dean Harding.

      The dash had to be put - Dean is a firm, Harding is its designer.
      1. +2
        27 May 2022 09: 53
        Good morning, Vyacheslav Olegovich! Thank you for the article! )))
        That's how it turns out ...
        Long recent years have taught me to look at life purely utilitarian. What do I do with these pistols? Neither to hold in your hands, nor to shoot - there is no such possibility! But after all, it is irresistibly drawn to peer into the shining metallic beauty, bewitching with the possibility of a quick delivery of death.
        1. +4
          27 May 2022 10: 19
          Good morning! There is a solid psychology here: a person is drawn to possess what he fundamentally cannot possess.
          1. +1
            27 May 2022 10: 49
            I think not only. A person weighed down by moral imperatives always faces the question: "Do I have the right to take someone else's life?"
            In one of my favorite novels by Dmitry Sillov, "The Law of the Damned," a former airborne fighter, in cold blood, freeing himself from reality, kills three scumbags. But the girl whom he saved from torment blames him, saying, Vanya, it’s also impossible, these are still people ...
            And so I look at beautiful cars of various designs - the drum leans to the right (for cavalry troops), the drum leans to the left (for foot troops) - and I think: could I? I could. And the only thing that would stop me: what will I get for this within the law?
            In war, it's good. But there is also motivation. Ironically, most people are incapable of killing their neighbor. The morale of the Warrior is supported ideologically.
            1. +3
              27 May 2022 12: 34
              Quote: depressant
              And the only thing that would stop me: what will I do for this within the law

              Quite right! And we must also remember that some people have only the appearance of people, and their essence is crappy. They are quite possible ... The main thing is that the law does not see !!!
            2. +2
              27 May 2022 15: 53
              Lyudmila Yakovlevna, good day. "supported ideologically" does the "thug" also have an ideology? It’s more difficult what kind of “core” you have: for money, for pleasure, in the name of salvation, etc.
            3. +2
              27 May 2022 18: 38
              "Could" I can't say that about myself. It was Makarova Antonina who shot with bursts, and I ... Perhaps, protecting a child, no matter whose, I could. You know, adrenaline rush and it doesn't happen
        2. +1
          27 May 2022 20: 25
          But after all, it irresistibly pulls to peer into the shining metallic beauty ...
          When obtaining a license for a weapon, it is better not to talk about it - the permits immediately tense up. What they have for hunting - it should be for hunting, what for self-defense - then for self-defense .... although I think it is clear to everyone that a significant share in the need for weapons among hunters, self-defenders and other users of weapons is the implementation of cultural and aesthetic needs. Sur natural. Now (since March, if I'm not mistaken), the situation has changed, in my opinion, for the better due to the involvement of psychologists. It’s better for them not to lie, the training is super class, I don’t know how it is in other places, but they perceive such motivation as natural. Of course, it is better not to mention the "delivery of death".
          1. Fat
            0
            27 May 2022 21: 14
            Vladimir. In part, I agree with you. Not every person is able to fiercely resist. This is not surrealism. It is something that every reasonable person has. If I have a stone, then let it be perfect for protecting the family, territory, country, state. And psychologists can't really help anyone (theories are too young). It’s better to go to confessors - they have been trained to listen in silence for centuries ...
            1. +2
              27 May 2022 22: 37
              It's not so simple here. I wanted to share my experience. Perhaps I am overly suspicious, but relatively recently there has been a tendency for the authorities to turn the tack on issues of issuing weapons to the population - proposals appeared in the draft regulatory documents to give the permitter the right to refuse to issue a license without explaining the reasons, but it did not pass. As a result, all this was transformed into a change in the order of the procedure, in particular, by adding a new stage - passing a psychological test and talking with a psychologist. I "renewed" the permit for self-defense weapons and believe me - this is a serious thing, you can't relax here. We all sat in the same class and in front of my eyes they put two of us on the shelves, one was a greyhound, the other somewhere seemed insincere. The psychologist is a woman, a beauty in appearance, but I did not expect such rigidity from her. She brought the guys almost to tears, pinned them to the wall, I thought they would register them as having not passed the test, but then they sang like nightingales during interrogation by the Gestapo. When it was my turn (after she had glanced at the results of the test), the first thing she asked was: "How are you feeling right now?" And I just did it after the operation, it turns out that she determined this according to the test results, then more, but it doesn’t matter now. I, learning from someone else's experience, quickly rebuilt in a serious way, so that parting, they just did not kiss. But the whole process really stressed me out. That's what I'm talking about.
              1. Fat
                +1
                27 May 2022 23: 13
                No luck, but you got a smart lady.
                And Mem - the Siberian has a powerful carbine, and the hostess has a "svetka with optics" in the cellar .... Well, yes, and a "quilted jacket" on a naked body wassat
                A psychologist - in Novosibirsk.
                Friend, I know what I'm talking about, my daughter closed the psychology department, and I'm with her, in parallel. - "new trends" were interesting ...
                It’s good that I didn’t choose THIS profession, I retrained as a techie.
                Quote: V. Salama
                That's what I mean.

                About what? The fatherland is not full of your problems.
                Please no offense
                With respect.
                1. 0
                  28 May 2022 15: 03
                  "About what?" The fact that if forewarned, it means armed. I wanted to do a good deed for good people. In order not to look like a bore, I'm here briefly - I have not yet revealed all the pitfalls here. Not everyone in Siberia is lucky enough to live, but if a trend has emerged, then sooner or later the process will go deep and, in the licensing system, there are clearly not enough psychologists. The lady said that she was being sewn up, she was the only one for five licensed points for issuing medical reports. It’s a pity I didn’t ask about her salary, otherwise your daughter may have left the profession in vain.
                  The fatherland is not full of your problems
                  The Fatherland is not full of any problems, but if they are ignored, then it suffers from them. Can you list the problems that were obvious back in the 90s? I think that you are not very interested, no offense. If anything, then these are the very problems that our "Nanai boys" are just now beginning to think about - with the education system, with the national idea, etc.
                  Please no offense
                  It's hard to understand you - "I'll row for a month until it comes" what are you talking about? There is clearly a motivation determined by understatement. If there is some kind of resentment against me - write in a personal, otherwise there is a specialized line, it’s inconvenient somehow to distract people to our showdowns. I myself came here to distract myself, you know what. With respect to you, of course, I respect someone else's opinion. In our country, the Constitution establishes a variety of ideologies, in my opinion this is also a problem, and they have been "rowing" for almost thirty years before it, but the Law must be respected. Something like this.
  4. +6
    27 May 2022 04: 05
    Nevertheless, interesting authors remained on the "Military Review" who conscientiously collect material and write with soul! Vyacheslav Olegovich, thank you! I really enjoyed reading this article!
    The new "Smitvesson", created in 1899, really liked the American sailors and ... policemen. The latter at that time were armed with the New Police Colts mod. 1896 in .32 caliber (7,65 mm). And although the revolver was light and convenient, the stopping effect of its bullets was relatively small. Of course, there was also an army .45 caliber, but such revolvers were heavy for the police (and sailors, they don’t shoot often!)

    Nevertheless, the 32nd caliber is rather weak and did not take root in the "power" structures. But, "Smith-Wesson" 38-gauge have become real bestsellers.
  5. +11
    27 May 2022 04: 14
    I found another interesting design - the Waffenfabrik Steyr 1893 experimental revolver with the Peiper obturation system - the drum moves 2mm forward, running into the barrel, and the extra-long sleeve blocks the gas between the drum and the barrel .. The drum leans to the left. In total, about 100 of them were made, mainly for military trials in Austria-Hungary. Steyr 1893 had a central ejector, which made reloading quite fast.
    True, this revolver was not accepted into service in any state.



    1. +8
      27 May 2022 06: 40
      About him will be in the 3rd article on reloading. I liked him very much too. But I'll try to give a photo of others, so as not to repeat.
      1. +6
        27 May 2022 07: 05
        Vyacheslav, I apologize hi , if I knew that there would be a continuation, I would not fit. smile And the revolver is really elegant, it is strange that it did not pass.

        More about the reclining drum, but not seriously. laughing

        1. +6
          27 May 2022 07: 42
          Doesn't matter, Konstantin. The main thing is that the photos will be different!
          1. +6
            27 May 2022 08: 24
            I checked again: all my photos do not match yours, so the interest will not decrease!
            1. +4
              27 May 2022 09: 54
              That's fine! I don't want to "run ahead of the locomotive", somehow unethical. smile
            2. +1
              27 May 2022 15: 58
              V. Oh, Kostya and I are not kids to demand a picture. We want the content to be good.
              1. +1
                27 May 2022 18: 14
                Quote: vladcub
                not kids to demand a picture.

                Then I will write: on the right side of the frame there is a pumper, you need to press it, then the curved crap will go down and open access to the mechanism. It's hard to imagine without a picture...
                1. +1
                  27 May 2022 18: 23
                  "- Listen here! Put a pothole on the side of the squiggle and pull the pimps twice. After that, slap the tumbleweed with a puffer and, every time it squawks, bounce further, pretend to be a rag and don't shine. "Moksel, ruff your copper... Psh-sh-sh! - And you wait until it cools down. When it's cold, you get up, sigh. You sigh carefully, probing yourself, so that this redneck doesn't rush! And you run around the corner for half a liter. Because it passed !"(With)
    2. +1
      27 May 2022 09: 47
      Looks nice, but the engraving is gone..
      Looked better with engraving
      1. +6
        27 May 2022 10: 01
        Was there an engraving on this Steyer model? The barrel is experimental. belay
        Well, if you prefer engraved, then please - a pair of Colts to choose from. smile


        Good morning Katya love we have rain too.
        1. +1
          27 May 2022 10: 23
          The revolver is prettier
        2. +1
          27 May 2022 10: 26
          "It's also raining" we don't have rain, but it's sad
        3. +1
          27 May 2022 18: 12
          we have rain too.
          Crap! It's raining in Penza, raining in Ryazan, raining again in the Krasnodar Territory. Only in St. Petersburg (in St. Petersburg!) - warm and sunny.
          1. +1
            27 May 2022 18: 41
            Only in St. Petersburg (in St. Petersburg!) - warm and sunny.


            "Without changing the cheerful tradition
            Leningrad met me with rain.
            Passers-by get wet, the police get wet,
            Wet which summer in a row. "(c)

            Now everything is exactly the opposite. smile
            1. +1
              27 May 2022 18: 50
              "Over Canada the sky is blue,
              Along the birches the rains are slanting,
              Although it looks like Russia,
              But still, not Russia "(C)
              1. +3
                27 May 2022 18: 54
                "The sky is blue over Beijing,
                Along the stands, the leaders are slanting,
                Although it looks like Russia,
                But still not Russia "(c) laughing
                1. +1
                  27 May 2022 18: 59
                  "The sun rises over the Yellow River,
                  The Chinese are going to the field, "... (C)
                  1. +2
                    27 May 2022 23: 16
                    At the beginning of the eighth it covered, as many as the eyes began to close, lay down. Well, I slept, now I threw it out of the bed, there was no sleep in my eye, now again all night cuckooing. request
                    1. Fat
                      +2
                      27 May 2022 23: 27
                      Make a company. You can also crackle on special topics recourse ... While the rest of the "Mir" is resting laughing
                      1. +1
                        27 May 2022 23: 58
                        What to chat about? The head is still cloudy, go here, "I drank and ate, I didn't feel better." request
                    2. +2
                      28 May 2022 11: 58
                      hi
                      Maybe valerian and / or glycine to drink? Avoid coffee, tea, alcohol three hours before bedtime, and even take a walk for an hour and a half?
                      I myself, when I have to work at night, then I can’t sleep normally for a long time.
                      Sorry if I'm minding my own business!
                      1. +1
                        29 May 2022 05: 21
                        Sorry if I'm minding my own business!

                        No, it's okay, we're friends here. And thanks for the advice, that's just without tea, I'm nowhere. smile drinks
  6. +1
    27 May 2022 09: 50
    I wish you all good health. I have 10 am, and overcast and not welcoming.
  7. +1
    27 May 2022 10: 20
    Vyacheslav Olegovich, is the Colt 38 speichel revolver also loaded this way?
    I read at Prater's about a private investigator: Shel Scott. He carried under his arm: Colt 38 speyshel, and the bad guys with whom he "butted" were all with automatic pistols of 45 caliber.
    Husband says: Colt specialty is guaranteed to strike at a distance of 5 meters. If you manage to get in and a distance of 40 meters will kill. Perhaps that's why Scott fired several bullets to guarantee a hit?
    PS
    I listen to an Audi book: "The Executioner of Galicia", a tough and topical book, the main character has: TT, his stepfather says TT with respect, but he also spends several bullets.
    1. +4
      27 May 2022 11: 04
      I saw your question before Vyacheslav and decided to answer.

      Is the Colt 38 speychel revolver also charged this way?


      The full name of this revolver is Colt Detective Special, .38 Special - this is the type of cartridge it uses, a fairly powerful cartridge with a bullet diameter of 9,1 mm. For loading, the drum leans to the left.

      Weight, kg 0,595 (Banker's)
      0,609 (Commando)
      Length, mm 171,45
      Barrel length, mm 50,8 (2-inch barrel)
      76,2 (3" barrel)
      Cartridge .32 S&W Long
      .38 S&W (English) Russian
      .38 Special
      Principles of operation Double acting
      Type of ammunition 6-round drum.

      The cartridge for it in the picture is second from the left.


      And about shooting from it ... They won’t write something for you in dutty novels. wink
      1. +4
        27 May 2022 12: 10
        The most powerful revolver cartridge is the 44 Magnum. The Smith & Wesson Model 629 revolver was at one time in service with the Tennessee State Police. Allegedly, it can break through the car engine.

        Here is the cartridge for it
        1. +3
          27 May 2022 13: 14
          There are more helpful ones. The .454 Casull is a revolver cartridge designed in 1957 by Dick Casull and Jack Falmer.


          Prior to the development and production of the .460 Smith and Wesson and .500 S&W Magnum, the .454 Casull was the most powerful revolver cartridge.
          1. +1
            27 May 2022 16: 20
            Kostya, hello. 500 S&W "I wouldn't want to wear this: it will be heavy and will tear my hand to hell.
            For me, 357 magnum, or 457 magnum, they are no worse than these Casull or some other monsters.
            1. +2
              27 May 2022 16: 23
              Hello, Glory.
              For me, 357 magnum, or 457 magnum,

              I do not know, I have not tried these "magnums". request
              1. 0
                28 May 2022 06: 51
                Purely theoretically
                1. 0
                  28 May 2022 07: 02
                  With a rifle, it's pointless. request
        2. 0
          29 May 2022 01: 15
          Dviglo cannot be shot through with such a bullet ... "Emptyheads" - for firing at manpower. Soft lead core. The police officers who used such ammunition suffered fear during the famous shootout in North Hollywood ...
          1. -1
            29 May 2022 13: 06
            Haven't heard of this
            1. 0
              29 May 2022 17: 50
              An attempted bank robbery in Los Angeles in 1997 that escalated into a lengthy shootout. The robbers' homemade bulletproof vests could not be penetrated by lead-core bullets.
      2. +4
        27 May 2022 14: 17
        Quote: Sea Cat
        The full name of this revolver is Colt Detective Special, .38 Special -


        Kostya, welcome!
        I had a chance to play around with such a Smith & Wesson 38 caliber in the "dashing 90s".

        Of course, it is lighter and more compact than the Nagant, reloads faster and more conveniently, requires less effort when firing by self-cocking, but in terms of accuracy, especially with a pre-cocked trigger, it loses hopelessly. Yes, and ammunition for him in our area are expensive.
        1. +6
          27 May 2022 14: 36
          Good afternoon, Sergey!

          Of the imported ones, I only tried Taurus 38 Sp and Rossi 22LR, I really liked the Taurus, it is convenient and, even with such a cartridge, the recoil is not very felt, but my daughter liked Rossi, there is no recoil at all, and the toy is beautiful - nickel-plated and with color inserts on the front sight and the whole. smile
          1. +4
            27 May 2022 14: 42
            Quote: Sea Cat
            I only tried imported Taurus 38 Sp and Rossi 22LR

            With us, this is all exotic ... domestic revolvers somehow didn’t work.
            1. +2
              27 May 2022 14: 53
              Yes, that's right. I also used these toys at the All-Russian Research Institute of SE, small-caliber cartridges and so it was in bulk, and the Office drove the Taurus from the "breadth of the soul". smile
          2. +1
            27 May 2022 16: 52
            I only kept the Makar. And so theoretically I know, but ...
            Now I think: my generation is the last "peaceful", although the "friendship of peoples" was already beginning, and then it went: Afghanistan, "friendship of peoples", "perestroika", "Belovezhskaya Gatherings", "democratization" and there will be no more peace. No matter what power there is, there will be no past world.
            1. +1
              27 May 2022 16: 59
              and there will be no past world.


              Yes, it won't. And this is natural, you need to look ahead.
              1. +1
                28 May 2022 06: 49
                I understand with my mind, but my soul is not very
        2. 0
          28 May 2022 11: 42
          hi
          Greetings!
          Such revolvers, the so-called "snub-nosed" ones, are intended mainly for self-defense and close range. They are not designed for particularly accurate shooting. Discreet to wear, comfortable, light (with primitive maintenance, "monotonous" reliability and easy use) and the ability to hit the enemy 5 or 6 times.

          “What we do know is that the snub nose appeared in the shadow of full-size service revolvers such as the Colt Single Action Army, Remington New Army and Smith & Wesson Schofield. These were large and powerful single action revolvers chambered in .44 or . 45 with 4", 6" and 8" barrels. These large revolvers were replaced by the similarly large Colt New Service and Smith & Wesson Military and Police double action revolvers. These ... had long barrels and a full grip. With six and eight barrels inches, they gave decent muzzle velocity and excellent accuracy. So what's the point of sawing off the barrel and grips and thereby reducing .... scope, muzzle velocity and overall gun control?
          ...
          We always talk about the snub-nosed stealthiness, how easy it is to carry and hide in your pocket or purse, and that's true, but there's another reason for building a short-barreled revolver, and that's speed. ...
          For the rest of us mere mortals, pulling out a full-size revolver and aiming at a target is a slow process. ...
          What is .... a gun? ...... A kind of equipment that you stick into another man's belly button and cause an explosion. This must be done in the blink of an eye, otherwise he may take the gun from you, and this may be bad. Since the cunning of this thing depends on speed, the gun must be short and convenient - short so that it comes out quickly and lines up deadly and conveniently, so that a person points it just like a finger. "
          https://snubnose.info/docs/Theory.htm

          The link is a good site for fans of "snub-nosed" revolvers: different calibers, brands and accessories.
          I even came across a reference to some kind of "New York reloading": "Do you understand that it is inconvenient for you to reload a revolver? Are you afraid that 5 or 6 rounds is not enough? So carry 2 "snub-nosed" revolvers, it's easier, more convenient and cheaper, than some custom 1911". Fans of 1911, of course, do not agree with this. laughing
      3. +3
        27 May 2022 14: 54
        Where else can I find out? Men served or at work, but are faced with weapons. Even Vera was guarded by tanks or I don’t know what kind of equipment, but me. Only movies and books
  8. +7
    27 May 2022 12: 04
    hi
    A good revolver is a tenacious thing, it can work for decades with a minimum of maintenance:

    1. +1
      27 May 2022 15: 15
      "a tenacious thing" the same can be said about: TT, M1911, AK-47, I am not familiar with "74". I read somewhere: a weapon, like a woman, loves affection. Caress is not caress, but periodically: disassemble and lubricate. Don't play football
  9. +7
    27 May 2022 12: 15
    Well, since the topic of the article is "Reloading a Revolver: Faster and Faster" - how can you do without Jerry Miculek?



    PS Jerry, you are the best!

    P.P.S. If it's good to search winked , then you can find a revolver SW .45 "named after Jerry Miculek", however, "they didn't bring speedloaders", but you can use it to quickly reload the "star clip".
    1. +6
      27 May 2022 12: 37
      Quote: Wildcat
      "star clips"

      This will also be about!
  10. +3
    27 May 2022 13: 59
    "supplied to the market with two drums at once" prudent cunning: cartridges were running around, change the drum and fell as much as you like ..
    At that time, and even now, they had an abundance of shooters and each had its own cartridges. "Mr. Holmes, the gunsmith said that the cartridges would be tomorrow" (c) and a capsule drum is quite appropriate for this period
  11. +3
    27 May 2022 15: 07
    "Shattuck" is cool. I don’t see any practical use in a throwaway drum. What is folding, what is the "Shattuk system", but for showing off the most. Look, what I have, there is no other like it. And it probably costs more than a serial Smith Wesson or Colt
    1. +1
      27 May 2022 16: 05
      And it probably costs more than a serial Smith Wesson or Colt


      Exactly the opposite. And Smith is more expensive than Colt, the company has always been famous for the quality of workmanship, prestige has been preserved to this day.
      More expensive, probably only High Standard (Hi-Standard) W-104 "Double Nine", that's really for pure show off.

      How do you like the Colt Frontier with the drum tilted to the side? laughing
      1. 0
        29 May 2022 13: 10
        I do not recognize show off.
        As a child, they beat up show-offs
        1. +1
          29 May 2022 13: 28
          Now they are called majors, but they also beat them on occasion. laughing
          1. 0
            29 May 2022 13: 47
            You see, it’s written in their family
            1. 0
              29 May 2022 13: 53
              so it is written in their family

              So after all have childbirth. laughing
  12. Fat
    +1
    27 May 2022 22: 09
    There are no words, the subject of the article and the article itself are magnificent.
    Please remember all commentators. A professional military man is a professional assassin. It is not in vain that the Temple of the Sun was built.
    Depriving the enemy of life, the soldier, protecting, saves many...
    Much, perhaps this can be forgiven,
    Standing in the church for the salvation of their souls is not superfluous And ordering a service for salvation is good support.
    This is not why our people do not kill prisoners, they are not guided by the charter, they simply remember that taking the life of another is a necessity, not a goal (the object of aspiration, what is necessary, it is desirable to implement ...)
    Forgive me, colleagues, for the inertness of speech ...
  13. 0
    9 August 2022 11: 01
    Articles about this weapon are extremely useful. I myself love revolvers, I have tried many of them, but for soldiers in the field, an automatic pistol is still the best. perhaps it would be nice to write similar articles about automatic, lesser known pestles, for example from Czechoslovakia. am

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