A Polish political scientist announced the active participation of Polish military personnel in the battles in Ukraine

The Polish military is actively participating in the battles in Ukraine and we are not talking here about the so-called “volunteers”, but about mercenaries and career military personnel. This was stated by Polish political scientist Konrad Renkas.

According to the expert, Poland has long been involved in military operations on the territory of Ukraine, naturally on the side of Kyiv against the Russian army. And these are not volunteers who went there at their own peril and risk, but professional military personnel sent by Warsaw and mercenaries. Moreover, the number of foreign military personnel in general and Polish ones in particular will only grow, since more and more Western weapons are being supplied to Ukraine, but they will not shoot or travel on their own. It is easier to send already trained military personnel from NATO countries to Ukraine than to retrain Ukrainian ones.

It is known that citizens of the Republic of Poland are already fighting in Ukraine, and these are not demonstrative volunteers, but mercenaries and military personnel sent there on orders. The participation of foreigners in the conflict will increase - after all, equipment and weapons sent in bulk to the Kiev authorities will not be fired themselves

- said the political scientist.

Rencas emphasized that Ukraine has become a hostage to a situation in which it acts as a battlefield for the collective West against Russia. Under a normal set of circumstances, he believes, the war would have ended long ago with the complete capitulation of the Ukrainian army, since Russia knocked out the entire military infrastructure and destroyed supply lines. But the whole point is that Kyiv is under external control and the pumping of weapons comes from outside, and there the resources are almost unlimited. Ukraine is being sacrificed, making it a battering ram with which the West wants to hit Russia. The war in Ukraine will be fought until the last Ukrainian soldier, since the Ukrainian authorities are just puppets of the West, carrying out all orders.

(...) the tragedy of the Ukrainians is that in this situation the fighting can continue until the last Ukrainian soldier sent to the front in the criminal plans of Kyiv and the West. However, even then Ukraine will not cease to be a battlefield, because the Poles, Canadians, British and others will continue to fight in Ukrainian uniforms, just to support this blazing fire (...)

- added the political scientist.

Comments

[carstorm 11]

Well, this will surprise few people here. This is not a secret to everyone and has been for a long time.

[DMoroz]

Well, this will surprise few people here.

The only surprise is that it writes Polish political scientist...

[Flood]

Quote: DMoroz

The only surprise is that this is written by a Polish political scientist

not an ordinary political scientist

“Since 2014, Konrad Renkas has been the president of the organization “Restitution of Kresy”. Its goal is to return to its former Polish owners the property left after the Second World War in the territory of modern Western Ukraine, which in Poland is called “Eastern Kresy”, or to receive compensation for it. "

More information about Conrad Rankas here: https://ukraina.ru/news/20210119/1030289046.html

[Alexander Salenko]

It’s not easy, but the Poles are also confidently digging a hole for themselves with their chairs. Greed clouds our eyes, and if they grab a lot, then they will grab not just territory, but territory with a population, and the Poles themselves will not allow them to be turned into Poles. So, IMHO, in this case they will get hemorrhoids and I will laugh for a long time if in the end the Westerners ask to come to Russia.

[Tatiana]

(...) the tragedy of the Ukrainians is that in this situation the fighting can continue until the last Ukrainian soldier sent to the front in the criminal plans of Kyiv and the West. However, even then Ukraine will not cease to be a battlefield, because the Poles, Canadians, British and others will continue to fight in Ukrainian uniforms, just to support this blazing fire (...)

- added the political scientist.

Alas, in this case Russia will have to transfer the PROXY war from Ukraine to the territory of these very countries, just as these countries themselves are already proposing to transfer the war from Ukraine to the territory of Russia.
Russia will only need to select now priority countries as its priority military targets. And she will definitely choose them! Already chosen!

[Civil]

But we have a Goal, not like the soulless Geyropa.

[Kuroneko]

The West has already done almost everything it could in terms of war.
Economic, cultural. Only one thing stops him - Russia's nuclear triad.
And the Dead Hand system. All. If it weren’t for this, all of NATO would have come at us long ago with gallant cries and whoops.

And even without Ukraine they would have found a reason. They're smart. And how can we not remember Stalin with a kind word again... If it weren’t for him, but if there had been Chubais or Gaidar, who would have defended the USSR?
In a very short period of time, its own nuclear power was developed. What kept the PARTNERS from the Dropshot plan. For those who don’t know, just look at Wikipedia. But they have always been cannibals.

[SKVichyakow]

Quote: DMoroz

Well, this will surprise few people here.

The only surprise is that it writes Polish political scientist...

It was in vain that the Psheks were released from the Ilovaisk cauldron. Erya.

[fif21]

Quote: DMoroz

Well, this will surprise few people here.

The only surprise is that it writes Polish political scientist...

Poland launched an information campaign to occupy part of Ukraine.

[laws70]

The grandfather of Polish President Andrzej Sebastian Duda, Mikhail Ivanovich Duda, is a former ardent Ukrainian nationalist and friend of Stepan Bandera.

Duda Sr. today is one of the icons of Ukrainian nationalism.

From the age of 16 he was a member of the OUN. In 1939, he studied sabotage and terrorism in Nazi Germany together with the future leader of the UPA, Roman Shukhevych. He was friends with Stepan Bandera, who often visited Duda’s native village. Since 1941, he served in Nazi Germany, in the punitive battalion of the Abwehr “Roland” named after Konovalets and Petlyura. Three times awarded the Cross of Military Merit (the highest award of the UPA). Duda Sr. during the autumn of 1945 to the winter of 1946. Duda took part in battles with the Poles, was wounded twice, and on October 22, 1945 - seriously wounded during an attack on the city of Bircha. That is, the grandson of the current Duda exterminated his own people, being a Ukrainian nationalist. The grandfather of the current Duda took part in the genocide of Poles in Volyn in 1943.

[Tatiana]

Quote: laws70

The grandfather of the President of Poland, Andrzej Sebastian Duda, Mikhail Ivanovich Duda is a former ardent Ukrainian nationalist and friend of Stepan Bandera

I will add the following to this.

The antics of Polish President Andrzej Duda in Kyiv, when he greeted the honor guard with a Bandera greeting, became a topic for active discussion not only in Poland, but also in Ukraine. A Pole who shouts “Glory to Ukraine!” is the same as a Jew in an SS uniform, Ukrainians reason.
Having delved into Duda’s biography in Ukrainian and Polish, Ukraine quickly understood why The President of Poland forgot the sacred covenant for every Pole: to remember the genocide of Poles in Volyn in 1943.

So it turned out that Duda’s ancestors were Ukrainians from the Lviv region. The great-uncle of the Polish President, Mikhail Duda, was born in 1921 into a family of rural intellectuals, ardent Ukrainian nationalists.
Since 1941, the fate of a relative of the Polish president was connected with the punitive battalion of the Abwehr Roland. At the same time, he distinguished himself in the massacre of the families of Red Army officers going to the rear. Then, in the fall of 1941, Mikhail Duda again found himself together with Roman Shukhevych - in Belarus, in the 201st Schutzmannschaft (auxiliary police) battalion subordinate to the SS. In battles with the Red Army and partisans, the battalion showed low fighting qualities. But he distinguished himself in reprisals against the civilian population of Belarus, in particular in burning people alive in locked huts and barns.

In 1947 Duda fled through Czechoslovakia to West Germany, into the American occupation zone. Was with other fugitive Banderaites recruited by the US Office of Strategic Services (future CIA) – for sabotage and terrorist activities against the Soviet Union.

On May 1, 1950, Duda and three other bandits from the UPA were parachuted into the forests near Stanislav (Ivano-Frankivsk). When thrown out, Duda broke his leg and could barely walk. July 7, when Duda's group was hiding in rural barns and forest thickets, An MGB search group came out to find the bandits from the UPA. Not wanting to fall into the hands of Soviet justice, relative of the future Polish president shot himself.

See in detail - The grandfather of Polish President Andrzej Duda turned out to be a Bandera agent of the Abwehr - http://xn----8sbeybxdibygm.ru-an.info/news/grandfather-of-the-Polish-president-Andrzej-Duda-turned-out-to-Bandera-agent -Abwehr/

[MolTom]

Although I am Polish, no Duda is my president, and hardly anyone voted for him against the announced results.
But, on the one hand, 36 thousand people in Poland bear the name Duda, which is a fact, but there are other facts: “Which president signed the law granting foreign troops the powers of the Polish armed forces? — Who, while in England, called after asking about the Knesset in Krakow?
Who was indescribably furious when he mentioned a certain gag about the nickname “Khromenko”?

[MolTom]

https://thefad.pl/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/Andrzej-Duda-Donald-Trump.jpg This is exactly how Duda was treated in the United States when he signed an agreement on the creation of American bases in Poland and granting the US Army the right shoot Polish civilians without being under the jurisdiction of Polish law. Have you seen something like that, where someone treated Putin like that?? So without exaggeration with this so-called Polish president

[Seryoga64]

tragedy of the Ukrainians

But not a collective trash heap

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

The whole West is at war with us and we continue to believe in some incomprehensible chimeras and do everything that the West felt comfortable

[mojohed2012]

I remember Biden’s April reservations at a military base in Poland: You will see everything there yourself!
And indeed, those US Marines with whom Biden spoke most likely now see everything with their own eyes in Ukraine. It was not a reservation.

[carstorm 11]

What is this?) And what do we continue to believe?)

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: carstorm 11

Like what is this?)

We continue to support Western economies

Quote: carstorm 11

And what do we continue to believe?

that everything will return to normal

[carstorm 11]

How do we support it?) A. Let's turn off the gas?) We don't need money, do we?)
Who believes? In my opinion, it was already said from the top that the last world had ended.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: carstorm 11

How do we support it?

the easiest way is to turn on the fool

Quote: carstorm 11

A. Shall we turn off the gas?) We don’t need money, do we?)

They tell us “tomorrow” we will refuse your gas and instead of creating problems for the enemy today we are waiting for tomorrow when problems will be created for us, THERE IS WAR, a war to destroy Russia, defeat will mean the end for Russia as a state, there is a lot more besides gas

[carstorm 11]

Do I think against creating problems for them?) Only by disconnecting them from the gas you will create problems for yourself. Remind me why the Japanese hit the states? Everything requires calculation and logic. Moreover, just as 404 cannot move away from us, neither can we from this continent. We have already created a lot of headaches for them with ruble payments and a ban on withdrawing funds. You need to tighten the nuts. This is true. But gradually. You can't drive your opponent into a corner. He becomes unpredictable and a hundred times more dangerous. You forgot about the bans in the food sector. And soon this will also become the main topic. The Europeans have already begun to be prepared. The schizophrenic advice on hygiene alone was worth arranging all this. One phrase stuck in my head for about 5 years. People have long traded freedom for a standard of living.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

do not drive into a corner when they expect to come to an agreement, this is the first and main principle of negotiations, always leave a loophole for your opponent, they are not going to negotiate with us, they are going to destroy us and you need to go from this postulate, THIS IS A WAR OF DESTRUCTION
they will negotiate with a DAMAGED enemy what position to take for the convenience of the winner

[Alexander Salenko]

I’ll allow myself to level the score a little, because there are people who like to minus, and you expressed your opinion, with which, however, I do not completely agree. You’re right about half measures, but still the leadership understands that everything cannot be left to chance, and therefore there was an attempt to come to an agreement. I don’t remember the language our diplomats spoke in January.

[Angry 55]

No one doubts that Uncle Sam is once again trying to pull his economy out of stagnation with the help of a big war in Europe..

[Alexander Salenko]

So, grandfather Lenin spoke about this. The United States is trying to solve its problems both at our expense and at the expense of Europe. Europe agrees, but we don’t really agree.

[GNM]

No one doubts that Uncle Sam is once again trying to pull his economy out of stagnation with the help of a big war in Europe..

And not only in Europe

[MVG]

The Poles are historically Britain's first helpers. How they got out where is the traditional intrigue of the island. And for this they are periodically given land. Not for long, really.

[Alexander Salenko]

If we talk about historically, then France. I don’t like Britons, but they were our allies, and I’m not just talking about world wars, but let’s not forget that France was a jerk to us, and let’s not forget about the Poles and Izmail - a French fortress.

[MVG]

Then, let's put it a little differently: some mysterious center of power, having migrated from France to Britain, and then to the USA, continues to use Poland in its interests with complete joy in using it.

[tatarin1972]

If they can be called allies, Emperor Alexander III correctly said about Russia's allies. But the Poles have always been and will be a bargaining chip.

[Emergency]

Smart Pole. Everything was laid out correctly. He should be in "Peacemaker".

[Alexander Salenko]

Never mind, I don’t have anything in common with him to be in the same company, there are a lot of people there who are worthy and respected by me. Listed for holding presidential elections in Crimea. You can check it by the way. The real surname is indicated here and the first name too, Salenko Alexander Sergeevich.

[Emergency]

Cool. I respect and envy you.

[Ka-52]

citizens of the Republic of Poland are already fighting in Ukraine, and these are not demonstrative volunteers, but mercenaries and military personnel sent there on orders.

Oh, these political scientists. The presence of professional military personnel from a foreign country (Poland, the USA, etc.) is not surprising. They may have the status of military advisers. They can be engaged in activities ranging from training military personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to servicing supplied weapons. But this does not mean that they are “fighting”. Now, if Polish career military personnel, while in service and following the orders of their command, take a direct part in hostilities (not necessarily with a machine gun in their hands in the trenches, it is enough to be an air defense missile system operator), then this is regarded as direct participation in an armed conflict with everyone the ensuing consequences.

[Alexander 3]

Whoever was buried on our land. We will bury everyone who comes to us with a sword. Ukraine was our land, and it will remain ours. The Nazis just need to be exterminated like lice.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Ka-52

The presence of professional military personnel from a foreign country (Poland, the USA, etc.) is not surprising. They may have the status of military advisers. They can be engaged in activities ranging from training military personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to servicing supplied weapons. But this does not mean that they are “fighting”. Now, if Polish career military personnel, while in service and following the orders of their command, take a direct part in hostilities (not necessarily with a machine gun in their hands in the trenches, it is enough to be an air defense missile system operator), then this is regarded as direct participation in an armed conflict with everyone the ensuing consequences.

Judging by radio interceptions at Azovstal, negotiations are being conducted there in 6 languages, and therefore representatives of 6 countries are entrenched in the basements, and Kuev’s desire to get them out at any cost using helicopters and a dry cargo ship indicates that these are career officers of NATO countries, which the explanation is that ours, instead of storming the dungeons, decided to starve them out. So, they are already fighting, but for now they are trying not to advertise it.

[Ka-52]

the fact that representatives of different countries fought and are fighting there has long been no secret since the capture of 2 Americans, confirmation of the death of a Briton and the wounding of two more Americans. But I’ll express my thought once again: a mercenary (a citizen of another state) fighting with a weapon in his hands is one thing. A military specialist (adviser), a citizen of another state, is a non-combatant and this is different. A serviceman in the army of a third state (not a party to the conflict), who is in the ranks and carries out orders from the command to participate directly in hostilities, is the third. Well, they will find some American and British officer on the AS - so what follows from this? He will say that he was an instructor in acupressure, did not hold or use weapons, and sat in the basement. And you can’t tie it to participation

[Denis812]

With one small amendment - no Polish military personnel can fight on the territory of Ukraine. And if there is someone present and fighting there who is listed in the Polish Armed Forces, then he is still a mercenary who is not subject to conventions and so on. And you need to hit them without pity.

[Alexander Salenko]

This is one hundred percent, don’t take them captive or feed them in captivity, to turn them into tough Buchenwalds, a week is enough.

[laws70]

Poles must be beaten without pity in any case

[Denis812]

Just when you uncover the sofa launcher, tell me, I’ll leave Krakow :)))

[Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov]

The war in Ukraine will be fought until the last Ukrainian soldier, since the Ukrainian authorities are just puppets of the West, carrying out all orders.

***
“Ukrainians will fight to the last drop of blood”...
---
Boris Johnson
***

[Lesovik]

Rencas emphasized that Ukraine has become a hostage to a situation in which it acts as a battlefield for the collective West against Russia

Not a “hostage”, but a victim.

There will be no border between Ukraine and Poland in the future so that the two states can build common happiness and common strength, said Polish President Andrzej Duda.

“For decades, and maybe, God willing, for centuries, a fraternal state for Poland, and as, I hope, Vladimir Zelensky prophetically said, there will be no more border between our countries – Poland and Ukraine. This border will not exist! So that we live together on this earth, building and rebuilding together our common happiness and common strength, which will allow us to repel any danger or any possible threat.”

[Kesha1980]

There will be no border between Ukraine and Poland in the future so that the two states can build common happiness and common strength, said Polish President Andrzej Duda.

So why be surprised?

[Egoza]

Quote: Kesha1980

There will be no border between Ukraine and Poland in the future

He said it correctly, because Ukraine will no longer exist.

[Alexander Salenko]

One cannot but agree with the first comment; this is not surprising; Poles checked my friends at the checkpoint back in 2014. But in other way. Let’s be objective, Poland is our enemy and it’s a sin not to take advantage of the opportunity to train our soldiers against us, but wouldn’t we have done the same?

[rocket757]

However, even then Ukraine will not cease to be a battlefield, because the Poles, Canadians, British and others will continue to fight in Ukrainian uniforms, just to support this blazing fire (...)

. The command was given to burn everything!!!
It is clear that for the occupiers this is a natural, proven tactic.
If it doesn’t reach someone there, it doesn’t matter, it will reach them differently, with fire and blood.

[cniza]

Good time!

Everything is very ambiguous, but we need to take this very seriously...

[rocket757]

Greetings
What may not be clear???
What results await us? It is clear that there will be a lot of bad things, it is clear that it will be difficult, and the rest... when it manifests itself, only then can it be truly, concretely assessed.

[aszzz888]

A Polish political scientist announced the active participation of Polish military personnel in the battles in Ukraine

Well, as if they were warning everyone in the Westencec that these are all legitimate goals for our troops conducting a special operation. Including all the NATO rabble.

[Giovanni]

But the whole point is that Kyiv is under external control and the pumping of weapons comes from outside, and there the resources are almost unlimited.

Here! Therefore, Konashenkov’s bravura reports about how many MLRS, guns, armored vehicles, etc., were destroyed during the night are just for complacency. But this stage has long passed. It’s high time to look for and find solutions that can radically change the situation. It’s not the tails that need to be hit, but the head! I do not pretend to be an expert super-strategist. But as a citizen of Russia, who is not at all indifferent to its fate, I have the right to expect from my government, the Defense Ministry, its General Staff to find and make such decisions...

[Denis812]

Not for complacency at all.
If you haven’t noticed, so far NO ONE is refuting the reports of the RF Ministry of Defense.
Except for Ukraine, of course. But neither the United States nor anyone else has ever said anything against the numbers. These reports are very important as reporting to the citizens of the Russian Federation.
And yes, I would like to see something like “a blow was dealt to the Rada of Ukraine, 450 deputies died in death. Zelensky and other prominent figures of Ukraine are with them.”
But if this is not done, then there is some reason.
Here, some people even propose to bomb checkpoints from Poland to Ukraine.
I, as a person who has traveled from Poland to the Russian Federation 20 times, including through Ukraine, can say that even if you get bombed, laying a new detour road with a tractor is a matter of one day.
We need to bomb what is being bombed now: warehouses, fuel, substations, bridges.
It is possible that it is necessary to strike at power plants in the West.
The only problem is that it seems impossible to shoot at nuclear power plants. And without shutting down nuclear power plants, we will not achieve a lack of generation in Ukraine.

[Giovanni]

Quote: Denis812

These reports are very important as reporting to the citizens of the Russian Federation.

Yes, that's understandable. But these are reports on the work of soldiers and officers in the troops. Great job, heroic. The guys don't spare their lives. Where is the work of the General Staff? Where is their accountability to citizens? (no further censored words)...

[Max1995]

haha.
The Polish political scientist repeats “zombie TV” word for word,
even if he came up with his own, and not from a manual.

In Ukraine there are 40 million people, in Poland there are also 40.
Finding a couple or two of the necessary “political scientists” (that is, parasites-talkers, most likely) is not a problem

[cniza]

Moreover, the number of foreign military personnel in general and Polish ones in particular will only grow, since more and more Western weapons are being supplied to Ukraine, but they will not shoot or travel on their own. It is easier to send already trained military personnel from NATO countries to Ukraine than to retrain Ukrainian ones.

We had no doubt about it...

[kerxer]

“For filthy people there is a serpent’s tongue” - Mayakovsky.

[APASUS]

In my opinion, this is the blue dream of the West. To drag the Russians into the conflict and then dispose of half of Europe there

[Mikhail Sidorov]

The Polish military is actively participating in the battles in Ukraine and we are not talking here about the so-called “volunteers”, but about mercenaries and professional military personnel

This is probably why pilots for helicopters and airplanes are not running out.

[riwas]

Moreover, the number of foreign military personnel in general and Polish ones in particular will only grow, since more and more Western weapons are being supplied to Ukraine, but they will not shoot or travel on their own. It is easier to send already trained military personnel from NATO countries to Ukraine than to retrain Ukrainian ones.

This is what they said at VO: you can’t quickly teach someone else’s technology, mercenaries will definitely appear. Just don’t take these guys prisoner, they’ll be right there on the spot. NATO is no longer being drawn into the conflict not only by technology, but also by people. A little more and TMB will begin.

[Ingvar7]

I doubt. They won't risk it, at least not yet. Of course there are advisors and instructors.

[Newcomer_SAM]

“Poles, Canadians, British and others”
In Israel, they thought: “What does “and others” mean? What is he hinting at?”

[MolTom]

Dear Russians, may I explain to you. Article 54 of the Polish Constitution clearly states that everyone is guaranteed freedom to express their views and to receive and disseminate information. For this text, Ruka oppresses himself with a punishment of up to 5 years in prison. Recently, Mateusz Piskorski, because while in Crimea in 2014 he did not notice violations in the elections, he left the prison where he was held without a court verdict after 3 years. This is easy for those who love the EU and its civil liberties

[Cowbra]

Lord, even in 2014, Jerzy Dzewulski and his PMC in Slavyansk were set on camera by woodpeckers from the Ukrainian media, in an embrace with Trupchynov, and this just in a minute, the National Security Advisor to the President of Poland

[MolTom]

Jerzy Dziewulski? Pole, but represents the interests of the Mossad. He defended the transportation of Jews to Israel from the USSR, he defended the export of TIR, filled with dollars from Poland, see the ART B case - these are MOSSAD funds. So don’t be surprised that now such types are hanging all over Ukraine, not out of hatred for Russians, but for the love of dollars

[iouris]

This is not active participation. All of NATO is fighting Ukraine and Poland. Who is NATO at war with? What is NATO fighting for?

[Citizen_of_state]

Rencas emphasized that Ukraine has become a hostage to a situation in which it acts as a battlefield for the collective West against Russia.

This d.u.r.a.k is monstrously mistaken. Ukraine and Poland are neighbors. Today, all “European” oil and all “European” gas are in Russia, and all the money is in the USA. Neither one nor the other will go anywhere further. But everything else will be thrown at the feet of those who can sell energy and those who can buy it. This is inevitable, which is why England left the EU in order to avoid the inevitable - the collective European fate in the further development of global economic processes.
Whether Russia wins in Ukraine or not, what can now be considered an established fact looks like this: Europe is facing global changes, but Europe has neither the resources nor the money for this. Therefore, Russia remains in place, but Europe changes.
It remains now and will remain in the future. But Poland needs to think hard about its future, because it is unlikely to be better than its past. The Poles were led to believe that they were safe. In fact, nothing awaits them further than a local nuclear war with complete degeneration of both culture and identity. They no longer have sovereignty - everything else is next in line. America is far away, but Russia is nearby.

[Two]

I have a proposal. It’s no secret that we have prisons for law enforcement officers where former special forces, riot police, and security forces are serving their sentences. Why not pardon them and send them to fight in Ukraine. I fought for a year, my sentence was written off (return the awards). There are people who fought there. in many conflicts on the planet, having real combat experience.

[iouris]

Are you sure that they will not defect to the Kraken battalion?

[Two]

I am 100 percent sure. They have more patriotism than many citizens of the Russian Federation.

[Altmann]

I see this as a big deal and still don’t understand why weapons supplies from NATO countries are not destroyed right at the border. The Poles just want/as always) to take advantage of the situation. The Poles forget that they have the Polish territory of the current state only because Stalin wanted it at the Yalta Conference.

[Common sense]

Ukraine has become a hostage to a situation in which it acts as a battlefield for the collective West against Russia

This is clear to everyone except the stubborn xoxlovs, for some reason they think that the whole world revolves around them, but in fact they are not even a party to the conflict, but only a chessboard.