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No panic: lend-lease is not a recipe for victory. Tanks and more

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A natural continuation of what was started here:
No panic: lend-lease is not a recipe for victory. Aircraft

Having looked at the issue of deliveries more closely, and at the use of Lend-Lease equipment even more closely, we came to a very interesting conclusion: aircraft are very problematic, but issues of use and maintenance aviation technology is incomparable to tanks and other armored vehicles. Amazing, right? In fact, everything is very natural.

But let's go in order.

Tanks and other armored vehicles.


It is no easier here than with airplanes, although not so hopelessly. In general, it is possible to teach a driver a more or less decent possession of a tank of an unfamiliar design, fundamentally different from the Soviet base. Approximately 3-4 months. In general, according to our tank expert Alex TV, Soviet tanks are more difficult to manage than Germans or Americans, and therefore it is not so difficult to train a driver.

An intelligent instructor, a training ground and not to spare diesel fuel - this is the recipe for success. And in a few months, the driver will be able to perform combat missions on the “new” equipment of the Leopard 1 type no worse than on the T-64.

The trouble is elsewhere. We need to train the technical staff again. Engine, transmission, instruments - everything will require maintenance. It is the service, it is still necessary to live up to the repair. But if this service does not exist, the tanks will simply become disposable.

But to serve such ancient structures is very, very difficult.

Air defense "Gepard"


The Bundeswehr is going to send 50 units to Ukraine. More, apparently, nowhere.

No panic: lend-lease is not a recipe for victory. Tanks and more

This is how the original “Flugabwehrkanonenpanzer Gepard” is translated, although only an inveterate optimist can call the Gepard tank. Despite the general similarity of the hull and running gear, the armor of the "Cheetah" can only protect against fragments, since it is sheets of ordinary rolled steel.

But that's not the point. The fact is that this museum archaism was developed in the sixties of the last century. And he entered service with the Bundeswehr in 1976. Who could be the real opponent of this shooting game? That's right, the Soviet Mi-8 and Mi-24 helicopters.

Today, the Gepard is so outdated that only infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers, for which there is a threat of armor-piercing shells of 35-mm Oerlikons, can act as its opponents. The problem is that the "Gepard" does not have a tank corps, so modern BPMs can easily open the "air defense tank" with their automatic guns, which, by the way, are not inferior in terms of caliber.

Of course, the Germans will gladly give these installations to Ukraine. Why not give away? Nobody needs them anymore, so... True, the issue of ammunition is very navigated. For there are simply no shells. They say that Brazil is ready to supply 300 shells, that is, almost 000 rounds of ammunition. For 1000 cars that will have to be at the disposal of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, quite decently, 50 b / c per car. That is, you can make war, if not very actively and not for a very long time.


If we rely on the experience of our tank expert, during a special operation in Chechnya, Russian tankers easily spent 2-3 rounds of ammunition per day when the fighting was going on. Unfortunately, we do not have one of the crews of the same Tunguskas surrounded by us, but something tells us that it will not be difficult to shoot 2-3 b / c "Cheetah" in a day. What about light armored vehicles, what about aviation assets, of which Russia has more than enough.

So judge now for yourself, 20 rounds of ammunition per car - is that a lot or what?

Or how. Moreover, it somehow looks doubtful. Yes, the Brazilians, who have long been haunted by the fame of very punctual and pedantic people, will, of course, sooner or later collect the declared number of shells and bring them to the other side of the world. The question is - will they be late?

"Leopard"



Yes, a big name, a very good tank. For the end of the last century. Today, the machine is also frankly outdated and simply cannot be compared with the Russian T-72B3. Considering that they want to make Ukrainians happy with the FIRST models of the series, then everything is very modest here. The Leopards of the first modifications did not even have barrel stabilization. Yes, the British L7А3 gun was very good at that time, but today 105 mm pose no threat to modern tanks.

And then questions arise similar to those that were asked in the first article: who and where will serve all this "splendor"?

Indeed, unlike an aircraft that can fly to an airfield in friendly Romania and go through all the necessary maintenance procedures there, this does not shine for a tank. Tank - weapon front edge, respectively, no one will do all the procedures with him in the rear.

The tank must be serviced at a small distance from the front line in order to return to service as quickly as possible. I emphasize that we are talking about maintenance, and not about repairs. According to our tank expert, maintenance is even more important than repair, because it is precisely the correct and timely maintenance that can delay the moment the combat vehicle leaves for repair as much as possible.


For now, we are only talking about German technology, which the Bundeswehr distinguishes from its generosity. With her, not everything is as bad as with other components of the joyful Lend-Lease list.

Approximately the same questions as in the first part: who will maintain and repair completely foreign equipment?

By the way, the time figures are in no way inferior to those of aviation: six months, no less. Yes, the tank is structurally simpler, but it has much less electronics than an airplane, but there is where to dig not with a laptop, but with a sledgehammer and other precision tools.

Well, the primary training of technicians can be carried out on the territory of Romania or Poland, fortunately, the Poles have Leopards. But it is doubtful that in the field it is possible to teach how to work with the engine and other elements of the MTO. This will still require training under the guidance of appropriate specialists from the manufacturer. That is, from Porsche. Without this, tanks are simply doomed to cease to be combat units.

Another difficult issue is spare parts. It is not easy even logistically, because it will be necessary to create from scratch not only a repair, but also a supply base.

That is, to drag across the whole of Ukraine a fairly wide range of spare parts and consumables, without which it makes no sense to import tanks at all, unless of course ...

Unless, of course, this is just a one-time action to write off old equipment and transport it for recycling on the territory of Ukraine.

Of course, there is an option when part of the imported equipment can be used as donors. This is normal practice. Some equipment is dismantled and used as a source of spare parts. A very dubious and unreliable business, which in any case requires skillful hands and appropriate tools.

And if we are talking about the much-awaited "Abrams" ...



I predict that this will be another horror film for Ukrainians. Yes, of course, the “modern” M1A2 Abrams tank is a “masterpiece” of creation, but there are very serious nuances.

Main engine. Overweighted up to 70 tons, the car is moved not by a diesel engine, but by a gas turbine engine.

A turbine with the same power is much smaller and lighter than a diesel and allows you to “give out” a decent amount of horsepower to move this chest. And even the terrible voracity of the turbine is not the main problem, although fuel is a problem for Ukrainian reality. In principle, for defensive battles, when you need to shoot hordes of Russian tanks without moving too much, it’s enough.

The turbine is capricious, requires maintenance, replacement of filters and a huge amount of fuel. But this is not the number one problem for the Ukrainian military. And the fact that they historically do not know how to use turbines. It just so happened that the only Soviet tank that was equipped with a gas turbine engine, although it was created on the basis of the T-1, was manufactured at the Kirov plant in Leningrad / St. Petersburg.

And here is the most unpleasant moment: in order to maintain such a complex and delicate technique in working condition, the efforts of more than one specialist are needed. In the experience of the Second World War, each battalion of "Tigers" had a company of technical personnel who served the "wonder tanks", which still broke like damned.


Approximately the same awaits "Abrams" in the Ukrainian open spaces. If you recall the "Desert Storm" in 1991, there "Abrams" moved mainly along the roads so that they could be refueled without problems.


In Ukraine, there will be problems at every turn, and the point is not even that the bridges will not withstand, there are no hands. Hands and heads will need to be prepared.

If planes, as mentioned above, can be taken to the territory of a third country, then this is not the case with tanks. So, after raising glasses for Lend-Lease, a hangover will come very quickly.

***


It is possible in some way to lead a subtotal on the problems of the lend-lease agreement:
- logistical problems for the delivery of equipment;
- logistical problems in the delivery of spare parts and ammunition;
- crew training;
- training of technical personnel serving the equipment;
- training of technical personnel repairing equipment;
- supply of repair base and technical documentation.

The list is not terrible. But for the normal implementation of the supply of all this junk to Ukraine and the training of the technical staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, it takes time. Not one month. More than a dozen instructors who are ready to work "on the road", that is, either in Romania or in Poland. In Ukraine itself, it seems to be very dangerous.

Time. While they are preparing crews and technicians, while they are collecting shells around the world ... By the way, Rheinmetall has already announced that it cannot supply more than one ammunition load to its Leopards.

Of course, if you search well, you can find it. Here it is appropriate to recall Admiral Gordey Levchenko, who, together with the naval attache in the UK Sklyarov and Ambassador Maisky, was looking all over the UK for liners for the trunks of the Royal Sovereign battleship, which was to become Arkhangelsk.

There were no high-explosive shells for the battleship's guns either. The battleship was not new, which allows us to draw analogies. And the commander of the detachment of the transferred ships, Gordey Levchenko, while several hundred Soviet sailors and specialists brought the ships transferred to us to life, rushed about in search of everything necessary. And found.

Why this small historical excursion? And besides, in 80 years everything will be exactly the same: all illiquid assets will be collected from warehouses and sites and solemnly handed over to Ukraine. And only then will begin a frantic search for spare parts, components, ammunition and, most importantly, those who want to go to Ukraine to train Ukrainian military and technicians.

The adopted lend-lease law in the United States is nothing more than the tip of the iceberg. It was the easiest thing to vote for the law, we know this from our reality. But to enforce the law properly is much more difficult. It takes people, time, money.

Today, many in Ukraine are too encouraged by the fact that the law has been signed. And allow yourself unfounded hopes. New technology, rapid counteroffensive and all that. But the more you think about the list of equipment voiced by the Ukrainian side, the more you question its truth.

Yes, the old "Cheetahs", "Leopards", "Abrams", "Bradleys" - that's welcome. And welcome to the hangar with the problems voiced in the articles.

F-16s... You know, they weren't given to Ukraine even at the best of times. They tried to forcibly transfer the Bulgarians, and they fought back with their hands and feet, because this is a COMPLETELY different plane, but the Ukrainians were not given, as they did not ask. And the very idea of ​​ukroletchikov in the cabins of the "Sokolov" smells like fires and pieces of burnt duralumin on the ground. Moreover, long before the start of real battles in the air.

MLRS


As for the announcement of deliveries of HIMARS and M270 MLRS, then there is no need to indulge in optimism. In the United States, there are just over four hundred of these installations on the balance sheet, and besides, they are scattered around the bases. It is unprofitable to give away a new (since 2005 in service) MLRS / OTRK system for nothing. Moreover, the complex has already passed the test in combat conditions and other countries are buying it.

As for the M270 MLRS, yes, good guys from the USA can send this installation to Ukraine. Considering that the youngest installation today is “only” 20 years old, then it can be installed. The M270 MLRS costs a little, 4 million apiece. Of course, no one will give up tactical missiles to Ukraine, but shells can.


And for the MLRS M270 MLRS there will really be everything that is for the Abrams. Issues of skill, maintenance and repair.

***


Alas, modern war is a war, including resources of a technical nature. Who will deliver, repair, restore faster. You can also give examples from the Second World War, when simply masterpiece (sarcasm!) Tanks "Tiger" and "Panther", produced by the piece, could not oppose anything to the shaft of "Shermans" in the west and T-34 in the east.

Today everything is exactly the same. Perfectly trained crews can sit at the controls and levers, but if their equipment does not have proper maintenance and repair, it, the equipment, will cease to be combat.

Yes, the tank can still be buried in the ground and used as a pillbox. But the planes are gone.

At the time of THAT lend-lease, let's pay tribute to the Americans, they were able to provide us with everything we needed: engines, gearboxes, gearboxes, machine guns, cartridges for them. It remains only to be seen how Lend-Lease-2022 will not yield to Lend-Lease 1942.

To be honest, there is a very big doubt that it will be even a little like. Not those times, oh, not those ...


I express my deep gratitude to Alexey Kuznetsov (Alex TV) for filling in the gaps related to armored vehicles and their operation.
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  1. Baobabus
    Baobabus 11 May 2022 04: 59
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    It seems to me that the author of the article approached the issue too seriously. As if all this equipment will be used responsibly in Ukraine for many years or even months.
    Most likely, all this will simply be burned on the front line in the very first battles. And they will ask the West for more.
    1. parma
      parma 11 May 2022 08: 43
      +22
      Quote from: Baobabus
      It seems to me that the author of the article approached the issue too seriously. As if all this equipment will be used responsibly in Ukraine for many years or even months.
      Most likely, all this will simply be burned on the front line in the very first battles. And they will ask the West for more.

      If the author took the issue seriously, he would know that there is no leopard 1 in Poland (and never was), that at the moment there are no leopards younger than version 1a1, those with a stabilizer at least. Yes, and those 1a1 in a modified form left for South America in the late 90s from Belgium, they were not even left in storage in Germany (I’m not entirely sure, but I didn’t see the return information), it should also be added that the last “crowbars” for the L7 quite dangerous for our tanks and much more ... the author forgot to mention the Polish T-72s, of which there are sooooo many, they have been modernized and, with the exception of the DZ (and it can be welded directly in parts), they are not particularly inferior to our T72B3. Sending them is even more logical than sending leopards 2 or abrams, because these tanks either already exist in Poland or will soon be, and the T72s will be released accordingly ...
      PS: in general, like last time - the author did not go through the materiel properly (by the way, on the front line there are quite a few and quite old modifications of the same T72, far from B3, and B3 is not such a prodigy) ... in short - our enemy is weak, everything is according to plan, chew cookies and do not ask questions ..
      1. Sfurei
        Sfurei 11 May 2022 10: 38
        +3
        You either did not read the author carefully or are trying to cling to some of his statements (about versions of tanks, etc.). The subject of the Lend-Lease article from the USA and, respectively, Leopards and Cheetahs were given as an example of the possible use of foreign weapons and military equipment with their problems and concerns. And regardless of the version of the Leopard, all the same problems that the author described are waiting for him. And what did you remember about the T-72? The Poles and the rest are already supplying them and it's not about them.
        And about welding DZ in parts. This is again the time and place, which the author also wrote about. At more or less clusters of equipment under repair, they are trying to strike.
        If you can refute the final conclusions of the author, then write reasoned with the mat part. And then the author wrote, but you do not agree, but ".. not quite sure .."))
        1. NIKN
          NIKN 11 May 2022 11: 20
          +7
          iceberg
          Quote: Sfurei
          or trying to cling to some of his statements (about versions of tanks, etc.
          most likely, and not a fact, something did not suit a person, he has the right.
          The adopted law on lend-lease in the United States is nothing more than the tip
          Let's just first define what that means.
          The adoption of the lend-lease law is nothing more than giving the president the right to manage US financial resources without congressional approval. within the scope of assistance to a particular country. ALL CARL! Then you can think out to everyone how much imagination is enough.
          As for the operation of equipment, here I completely agree with the author and there would be an opportunity and I would put 2 pluses
          1. Old tanker
            Old tanker 11 May 2022 17: 35
            +6
            The author exalts the concept of "maintenance of equipment" too much. In fact, this is a timely replacement of consumables, as well as oils, lubricants and technical fluids. Checking and correcting the necessary adjustments. Basically, that's all. There is no special engineering mindset required. He served the T-64/72/80 and will cope with the "Leopard" and "Abrams". It might take a little longer. And looking at what types of work. Replacing a single unit from the MTO "Leopards" and "Abrams" is orders of magnitude faster than the engines of our cars.
            1. NIKN
              NIKN 11 May 2022 17: 45
              +1
              Yes, but the devil is in the details. It seems that there are no problems to replace the bearing and everyone knows and understands everything, only here there is no puller for a specific bearing request and they are not the same standard. Now let's add pullers to the logistics for all bearings and for each division ... I'm so rude, but I think it's understandable.
              1. Old tanker
                Old tanker 11 May 2022 20: 14
                +5
                Replacing the bearing is already a routine repair.
                And yes. Ukrainians are the same Russians. With the help of ingenuity, a sledgehammer and such and such a mother will cope.
              2. Sharky
                Sharky 12 May 2022 04: 30
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                It seems that there are no problems to replace the bearing and everyone knows and understands everything, only here there is no puller for a specific bearing request and there is not one standard

                The puller is a fairly versatile tool, usually designed for different sizes of bearings. And if there is no puller at all, then the issue is resolved with an acetylene torch. This is me, for example, that there are practically no hopeless situations.
        2. parma
          parma 11 May 2022 11: 28
          +14
          Quote: Sfurei
          You either did not read the author carefully or are trying to cling to some of his statements (about versions of tanks, etc.). The subject of the Lend-Lease article from the USA and, respectively, Leopards and Cheetahs were given as an example of the possible use of foreign weapons and military equipment with their problems and concerns. And regardless of the version of the Leopard, all the same problems that the author described are waiting for him. And what did you remember about the T-72? The Poles and the rest are already supplying them and it's not about them.
          And about welding DZ in parts. This is again the time and place, which the author also wrote about. At more or less clusters of equipment under repair, they are trying to strike.
          If you can refute the final conclusions of the author, then write reasoned with the mat part. And then the author wrote, but you do not agree, but ".. not quite sure .."))

          I read the author’s article very carefully, there is no analysis of the features at all, just like in the article about aircraft ... the author indicated that the leopard 1 is completely outdated, and there is no armor and no firepower, not even a stabilizer, but this is a lie ... in 2012 it was an article on the VO about a leopard, in particular, it states that in the MTO there is a power unit consisting of an engine, a transmission and a cooling system (this is generally a feature of the Western school), which change in a matter of minutes in assembly, those subject to normal supply (here it is worth to say that both sides in the NWO zone are in trouble with this now) the breakdown of Western equipment is being corrected quickly - he replaced all the MTO in an hour and sent the unit “home”, there it will already be repaired and serviced as it should (if it didn’t work out on the spot), we do not have such a possibility. In terms of firepower and armor in the conditions that are now in a real battle (tanks are encountered in short, and there are enough other dangers, except for enemy tanks), Leo does not have a critical lag. The already mentioned article said that Germany, back in the 80-90s, upgraded ALL (hence my thesis that there is information but not 146%) of its tanks to the level 1a5, those SLAs and surveillance equipment at the level of leo 2a4 / 5 , which is better than domestic T72 early models (and there are plenty of them).
          Regarding welding, dz is such a simple process that it can be performed with minimal technical means (albeit “on a collective farm, with violations or a decrease in some characteristics, but you can .. we cook umbrellas, strengthen sandbags), it’s not without reason that ours in Central Asia they put dz on tigers and armored personnel carriers 80 (why it’s not clear, but that’s their business), the main thing is the presence of the dz themselves, a repair or some other plant is not needed, there may also be no accumulation of equipment. You can never treat the enemy lightly, they pay for it with their lives, and the author already calls for this in the 2nd article in every possible way ... I remember in January everyone laughed at the deliveries of grenade launchers from Britain, saying that their expiration date had expired, or the same stingers, but now somehow then it wasn’t funny ... 2,5 months have passed, and we’re marking time (in some places we even had to move away in order to improve the “humanitarian situation”)
          1. Sfurei
            Sfurei 11 May 2022 13: 46
            -4
            Once again: the topic of the article is "Don't Panic: Lend-Lease Is Not a Recipe for Victory." The article has a lot of reflections and partly the characteristics of the products planned for delivery. YES I AGREE, perhaps the author somewhere missed the characteristics (there is a lot of information on the networks and it is not always even clear what is true). And the article concludes:
            It is possible in some way to lead a subtotal on the problems of the lend-lease agreement:
            - logistical problems for the delivery of equipment;
            - logistical problems in the delivery of spare parts and ammunition;
            - crew training;
            - training of technical personnel serving the equipment;
            - training of technical personnel repairing equipment;
            - supply of repair base and technical documentation.

            Do you disagree with any of this? Is it written somewhere that we will smash the Armed Forces of Ukraine to smithereens?
            And as you described it at a time, everything is changing the MTO and is sent for repair. Where to get specialists who will change (see the conclusions of the author), where to get special equipment (cranes, etc.), equipment and supplies for removing the MTO (see the conclusions of the author). And how quickly with a shortage of fuel and railway transportation to give up the MTO for 1500-2000 km to the plant for replacement or repair (see the author's conclusions).
            And yes, you can quickly weld DZ on one tank, and if for 100 pcs. or 200 pcs. And are there so many remote sensing and where, again, are there a bunch of tanks for this? or will they send 1 tank to different cities for welding?
            You start thinking in terms of the country and the amount of aid from the West. Example: Someone promised 7 self-propelled guns - this is 7 railway platforms, and 40 shells for them (if rounded by weight and size) is 000-60 full load wagons. Plus, there is still infantry, equipment and equipment + fuel at least 70 tank. Those. this is at least two or three railway trains, and in fact 1 division of self-propelled guns, which is unlikely to significantly affect the database. And all this needs to be overtaken by more than 1 km. Those. this needs to be repeated for both tanks and self-propelled guns hundreds of times for it to bear fruit on the battlefield.
            Those. The author was right in the end.
            Alas, modern warfare is a war, including resources of a technical nature. Who will deliver, repair, restore faster.
            This is the main message of the article. Can you challenge his findings? You are welcome!
            1. parma
              parma 11 May 2022 14: 51
              +8
              Quote: Sfurei
              Once again: the topic of the article is "Don't Panic: Lend-Lease Is Not a Recipe for Victory." The article has a lot of reflections and partly the characteristics of the products planned for delivery. YES I AGREE, perhaps the author somewhere missed the characteristics (there is a lot of information on the networks and it is not always even clear what is true). And the article concludes:
              It is possible in some way to lead a subtotal on the problems of the lend-lease agreement:
              - logistical problems for the delivery of equipment;
              - logistical problems in the delivery of spare parts and ammunition;
              - crew training;
              - training of technical personnel serving the equipment;
              - training of technical personnel repairing equipment;
              - supply of repair base and technical documentation.

              Do you disagree with any of this? Is it written somewhere that we will smash the Armed Forces of Ukraine to smithereens?
              And as you described it at a time, everything is changing the MTO and is sent for repair. Where to get specialists who will change (see the conclusions of the author), where to get special equipment (cranes, etc.), equipment and supplies for removing the MTO (see the conclusions of the author). And how quickly with a shortage of fuel and railway transportation to give up the MTO for 1500-2000 km to the plant for replacement or repair (see the author's conclusions).
              And yes, you can quickly weld DZ on one tank, and if for 100 pcs. or 200 pcs. And are there so many remote sensing and where, again, are there a bunch of tanks for this? or will they send 1 tank to different cities for welding?
              You start thinking in terms of the country and the amount of aid from the West. Example: Someone promised 7 self-propelled guns - this is 7 railway platforms, and 40 shells for them (if rounded by weight and size) is 000-60 full load wagons. Plus, there is still infantry, equipment and equipment + fuel at least 70 tank. Those. this is at least two or three railway trains, and in fact 1 division of self-propelled guns, which is unlikely to significantly affect the database. And all this needs to be overtaken by more than 1 km. Those. this needs to be repeated for both tanks and self-propelled guns hundreds of times for it to bear fruit on the battlefield.
              Those. The author was right in the end.
              Alas, modern warfare is a war, including resources of a technical nature. Who will deliver, repair, restore faster.
              This is the main message of the article. Can you challenge his findings? You are welcome!

              What is the difference between the delivery of 7 D-30s and the delivery of 7 M-777s with ammunition? Or 7 m-109 from 7 Msta-s? Or 100 Leopards from 100 T-72s? ... nothing ... equipment and spare parts are needed by both leopards and t72 (t-64), BC is also needed by everyone and everything, crews, etc. ... in fact, in the case of mobilization (namely, now Ukraine has it and it’s coming, Western countries are simply throwing weapons for the mob reserve) for a civilian (for someone who was demobilized 5-10 years ago, let’s say) there is no difference what to study for, conscientious or Western equipment, moreover, Western is also easier to maintain, I gave an example with MTO, the active use of "dana" and M-777 confirm this. Western technology will not bring separate problems, they are exactly the same as with existing technology. According to its characteristics, the transferred (or planned for transfer) equipment, if inferior to the existing one (even if Ukrainians, if they don’t like the comparison with ours), then only slightly. Thus, in any case, the war comes down to whether we can prevent the successful mobilization of the Ukrainian population or not, we cannot yet.
              PS: once again - the meaning of lend-lease is not that Western equipment will defeat our forces in one blow, but that Ukraine is no longer bound by the restrictions of ITS mob reserve, now the mob reserve of Ukraine is a mob reserve of Western countries (in terms of technology), but perishing he the not less our! Only one question remains - will we have enough strength and means to complete the defeat of Ukraine until we ourselves run out of steam or not? If not, we lost ... I said right away - we won’t manage it in 2 weeks (MAXIMUM MONTH) - we will actually lose, military bloggers (intelligence, for example), who can never be called unpatriotic, they said - the deadline is summer.
              Remember what prevented Hitler from winning, well, except for the incredible resilience of Soviet soldiers? The author himself writes about this - piece and very good panther and tiger tanks could not stop the T34 shaft and Shermans ... also with the Luftwaffe - a small number of aces were simply ground (even if you believe in their 100+ victories) .. so it is with us, without mobilization, we are limited in resources ...
              1. Sfurei
                Sfurei 11 May 2022 15: 33
                -1
                I don't know how to argue what
                What is the difference
                . It is no different, except for the fact that the main weapons and military equipment were already in the Donbass and adjacent regions, and then in a month they were simply redistributed to the neighboring regions where the databases are being deployed. And this also required considerable efforts of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the railway and fuel. And now everyone, no, it’s not like that: EVERY bolt and drop of oil and gasoline to each self-propelled guns needs to be dragged from abroad for more than 1000 km along the railway with periodic stops of traction substations or the destruction of bridges or strikes on equipment accumulation centers.
                for a civilian (for someone who was demobilized 5-10 years ago, let's say) there is no difference what to study for,
                Those. even so? What university did you study for? For example, I graduated from combined arms, and my brother artillery. And then they commanded civilians for several years and taught them at least not to kill themselves with their weapons. And my brother and I somehow don’t have the feeling that it’s possible to teach / retrain a tanker at once to another tank or a cannon with a half a poke. And another question, did you teach 10 gunners / spotters and 40 service people for 7 specific self-propelled guns (for example, Paladins), fought with them for two months in order to get something like a team from them (at that time someone fought for them at the front ) . And they took them out into the field and wounded 4 gunners (well, all of a sudden) and that's all? 1 self-propelled guns got up without a gunner, because in the neighboring unit they studied for DANs, and in the other for Crabs, etc. And there are a lot of such questions.
                And by the way, how many more self-propelled guns can Germany supply? 20 out of 40 serviceable? Does Poland have 200 extra tanks? And the Czech Republic? The United States has already shipped a third of its javelins to Ukraine. Do you think it will send everything? And how much is there for transmission in England? (a couple of cruisers?) And increasing rapid production is also a problem for everyone in the west!
                Well, we are silent about the fact that our Armed Forces at this time are grinding combat-ready and fired units at the forefront and are slowly pushing them from prepared lines. And our aircraft are gaining experience. And those who are sent to replace them are not already trained and do not have such experience. And with whom will they fill the junior officers? Trained in fast from the mobilized? And now it’s not the Second World War where you can fill up all the bodies with a bayonet attack. By the way, the Red Army also tried to coordinate the units for at least a couple of months before throwing them into battle (not counting 1941).
                And our Armed Forces no longer plan to win in a month, they will press and press on the rotation. And no one howls and the bloggers of all the weeders were quickly shut up and the economy is already being rebuilt (I'm just supplying foreign equipment). So patience and perseverance will win.
                1. Old tanker
                  Old tanker 11 May 2022 17: 53
                  +4
                  A contract soldier came to my first Chechnya as a driver on a T-80, in general, he never used leverage. The minder on the boat served some time. And nothing, two weeks of daily rides and quite a decent driver. Well, service under my control quickly mastered. Gunners were trained for a week in the former Shali training camp. Subject to daily classes and a full assembly line. Moreover, the Urals with shells were sometimes taken. A couple of times they even tried to shoot a rocket for themselves. In a peaceful life - then it was impossible.
                  And this, so to speak, during classes with a "mobile reserve" - ​​specialists with a different VUS. And the gunner from the T-62, on the T-80, is generally zero problems! The main system is to teach how to turn on the rangefinder so that you do not forget to use it))))
                  1. Sfurei
                    Sfurei 11 May 2022 20: 09
                    0
                    That's right, a "decent carrier", to whom at any moment either the commander, or the old-timer drove, or the deputy chief of staff, will tell where he mows. And I am silent about foreign designations in technology, other principles of operation of units and the behavior of equipment, the lack of unconditional skills and the high "foolproofness" of our technology (unlike foreign ones), which you need to try to ruin. We have one of the cadets in the anti-tank ditch of the BMP managed to take off his shoes and get stuck in it.
                    I don’t believe that another week can be taught well .. You can teach, but it will be an undereducated PM. And you apparently had it not from a good life, but from hopelessness. And again, maintenance of equipment takes much longer to learn. If you take equipment for one fight, then it will do. But isn't such equipment too expensive for suppliers? ))))
                    1. Old tanker
                      Old tanker 11 May 2022 20: 19
                      +3
                      Read carefully. A decent driver. This is someone who drives the car confidently and at a fairly high level. Including in combat. Well, he became a mechanic already in a combat situation. Under the literate quickly mastered. And it's from scratch!
                    2. Old tanker
                      Old tanker 11 May 2022 20: 27
                      +4
                      How do you prepare cadets in training. We in the army know well. Have to relearn.
                      Yes, and I had to take exams myself more than once.
                      The education system is not the same. A platoon of 30 people came, no one will pass more than one lap during the lesson. And then there is as much driftwood as you want, time is unlimited. And each "cadet" has his own instructor.
                      What is called - feel the difference.
                      So, if you wish, you can prepare the crew in two weeks of intensive training.
                      1. Repellent
                        Repellent 11 May 2022 20: 45
                        -3
                        Quote: Old Tankman
                        if desired, in two weeks of intensive training, the crew can be prepared

                        With an unlimited motor resource, a solarium, well, a BC to boot ... since it’s not a mechanic, but a “crew”, prepare ... plus a rembat near the training ground, plus unlimited spare parts ... up to burned engines.

                        About tractors with chain hoists at the ready, I just keep quiet laughing laughing good
                      2. Old tanker
                        Old tanker 12 May 2022 07: 45
                        +2
                        And the tractor on duty must be in the classroom. And if there is a difficult section, then on it with a deployed chain hoist.
                        Well, with unlimited fuel and b / c in Chechnya it was. And Ukraine is now at war, so they will prepare seriously. Before that, they were seriously preparing while we were playing in Army.
                      3. Sfurei
                        Sfurei 11 May 2022 21: 23
                        +3
                        I wrote to you about the military school. Even there, "wise" guys ruined equipment, and you have straight "golden" carriers. In 1996-2004, I saw how at the training grounds, and at the military school, and in training, and in combat units, even our equipment was hacked away at once. And you probably had a different army)) Or you told me about one outstanding driver, and the rest, on the contrary, were none. I heard about no one for service more than a dozen times, but rarely about good ones!
                        In my presence, a foreign mechanic overheated the engine on the BTR-70 after training and after half a year of service. "Oh, I didn't notice the red light.." And what can be done with foreign technology is even scary to imagine))
                      4. not main
                        not main 12 May 2022 00: 42
                        +1
                        Quote: Sfurei
                        "Oh, I didn't notice the red light.." And what can be done with foreign technology is even scary to imagine))

                        Are you talking about girls... driving? But in fact, I can throw a bunch of examples when a person does not realize what he is doing! Simply due to illiteracy! And every year this problem grows!
                      5. Old tanker
                        Old tanker 12 May 2022 07: 53
                        +2
                        I told you about how we trained untrained guys right in the war. And Ukraine is now at war. And they understand it. The enemy should not be underestimated. At the first stage, they underestimated and washed themselves with blood.
                        I had a Russian army, and I can tell a lot about screwed up engines and stuck cars, and even burning ones. But it was a peacetime army! Do not confuse. In war, the approach is completely different.
                2. aslanxnumx
                  aslanxnumx 13 May 2022 16: 02
                  0
                  We had the first and second Chechen, Syria is not experience. Do we need to gain experience every time for every war? Or are experienced ones not being promoted in our service, or are SUVs ruling?
      2. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 11 May 2022 14: 16
        +2
        DZ weld is not a problem. The problem is how to fill the boxes. A person who has already seen more than one burnt T - 64 says that the boxes are hanging, but they are empty. Those. DZ seems to be, as it were, but in fact it is not. I think it will be the same story with the Polish T - 72.
        1. parma
          parma 11 May 2022 14: 53
          -1
          Quote: TermNachTER
          DZ weld is not a problem. The problem is how to fill the boxes. A person who has already seen more than one burnt T - 64 says that the boxes are hanging, but they are empty. Those. DZ seems to be, as it were, but in fact it is not. I think it will be the same story with the Polish T - 72.

          DZs are practically still Soviet in Poland and the Czech Republic, and in many other places, if DZs are in Israel and among the Europeans themselves ... the question is about deliveries - there are no Datura in NATO (and even in the command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine), since equipment and ammunition have gone (and note primarily artillery, UAVs and kamikaze), dz will also go if necessary
          1. TermNachTer
            TermNachTer 11 May 2022 15: 23
            +2
            Are you aware that explosives from long-term storage tend to become unusable? If DZ is still Soviet, then almost 100% is already illiquid.
            1. parma
              parma 11 May 2022 15: 41
              0
              Quote: TermNachTER
              Are you aware that explosives from long-term storage tend to become unusable? If DZ is still Soviet, then almost 100% is already illiquid.

              The phrase "practically still Soviet" meant analogues / copies of contact-1/5. In the Czech Republic and Poland, for example, the production of the T72CZ4 and PT-91 was carried out until the mid-00s and this equipment is still in service, respectively, the stocks of DZ in the need for “conditions” should be (after all, they replace them on their cars), I think partially even the late Soviet “contacts "can still be operational (there is such a question, but various tanks with them are being removed from storage). There should be leftovers in warehouses from the Yugoslav M-84s (+ fragments of Yugoslavia actively modernized their M-84s and they should have quite suitable compacts for themselves) ... the question is in the numbers of availability, and I’m not sure if the SVR has such data (and asked whether they are such a question) ... the question again is that the upgraded Polish T-72s in terms of SLA and surveillance equipment are not inferior to the T-72b3, and maybe even superior ....
              1. TermNachTer
                TermNachTer 11 May 2022 17: 19
                +2
                As for the surveillance devices, they already reported))) during the transfer, the psheks remove all the electronics and put in the old Soviet ones.
      3. Slaven
        Slaven 11 May 2022 17: 24
        +1
        Germany promised them the first leopards. The Poles have already delivered their T-72s. Let's see how it will be.
        1. zenion
          zenion 11 May 2022 18: 31
          0
          The author of the article does not need to worry much about the Ukrainians, this is their business. Reminds me of a Jewish joke. “We had dinner, went to bed, and Abram was still spinning and couldn’t fall asleep. Sarah asks him what’s wrong with you? I owe ten to my neighbor Moishe, tomorrow I have to give it back. Moishe. Why are you knocking there, asks Moishe? Listen Moishe - says Sarah - Abram won't give you ten tomorrow. Now let there be a headache in Ukraine, the Germans will no longer have a headache. In addition, the Germans have instructions on how to make these banderas, like those banderas that were, walking corpses.
  2. archiroll
    archiroll 11 May 2022 05: 00
    -7
    Don't these foreign indirect deliveries give us a free hand in cyberspace?
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 11 May 2022 07: 03
      +2
      Quote: arhitroll
      Don't these foreign indirect deliveries give us a free hand in cyberspace?

      Can you tell us at least when and who in cyberspace held back their hands? There are fighting continuously and in full force all
  3. Magic archer
    Magic archer 11 May 2022 05: 03
    0
    By and large, I agree with the conclusions of the author. But my gut tells me that these are just flowers. Not so long ago, the impudent people put Brimstone (a modern missile) plus there is talk of new air defense systems (apparently the Stingers do not justify themselves) And the NATO allies are not far behind. From the beginning junk is being pumped into ukroreykha, and then modern weapons can be exorbitantly expensive. Moreover, countries such as the Czech Republic and conditional Slovakia understand that they are not going to fight and can trade. Therefore, one of the main tasks is to block delivery channels. But for now, the border with Poland is out of reach, unfortunately .Article Plus hi
    1. Snail N9
      Snail N9 11 May 2022 06: 11
      +23
      The author loves to give analogies. Another analogy can be given - when, during the Arab-Israeli wars, the Jews drove with their assorted equipment and weapons collected from the dumps of the whole world of their opponents, the Arabs, armed with Soviet, the most modern equipment at that time. Moreover, one must take into account the fact that Israel was under sanctions at that time and it had to make serious efforts to obtain components of equipment and weapons in order to repair and maintain it in working condition. And now all roads are open to Ukraine - just take it, and even under Lend-Lease. In addition, not only Ukrainians themselves will maintain and repair equipment and weapons, but also mercenaries, of which there are already more than thousands in Ukraine and there will be even more of them. Well, you can remind the author of the same Afghan dushmans, their repair base was highly developed and how did it all end? The author again turned on "sedation", as in the previous article. Like some kind of garbage Lend-Lease and Western supplies. And for some reason, the author bypasses the motivation of the belligerents. Something tells me that everything is fine with the Ukrainian side with motivation, but with the Russian side, everything is not so smooth.
      1. vladcub
        vladcub 11 May 2022 07: 47
        +7
        "there will be not only Ukrainians themselves" it seems to me that foreigners will not want to go to the front line, and repair and maintenance of their usual equipment is easy.
        And the command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine has enough reason to understand who knows foreign equipment better
        1. SovAr238A
          SovAr238A 11 May 2022 10: 09
          0
          Quote: vladcub
          "there will be not only Ukrainians themselves" it seems to me that foreigners will not want to go to the front line, and repair and maintenance of their usual equipment is easy.
          And the command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine has enough reason to understand who knows foreign equipment better


          When foreigners go to fight, they go to fight.
          To the front line.
          And not to sit in the rear.
          it is clear that some "flying" - on the first de day may fall off. But a lot of it goes with experience.
          1. Repellent
            Repellent 11 May 2022 10: 11
            +2
            Quote: SovAr238A
            When foreigners go to fight, they go ...

            ... for the dough and "romance". Ready to kill, not to die. What has already been shown, including in Ukraine.
      2. Murat
        Murat 11 May 2022 08: 31
        -3
        Well, the Jews were allowed to do this by their fundamentally incompetent opponent. The IDF has never fought against a full-fledged army. By the way, the USSR after the Second World War fought once: in Hungary in 1956. Russia twice: in 2008 and now.
        1. Pilat2009
          Pilat2009 11 May 2022 09: 15
          +5
          Quote: Murat
          By the way, the USSR after the Second World War fought once: in Hungary in 1956

          And what, there was a war in Hungary? Then it’s better to remember Korea and Vietnam. Yes, ours were present in Egypt during the wars. Well, Afghanistan, of course. Russia had two natural Chechen wars. 2008 was not close
          1. Murat
            Murat 11 May 2022 10: 36
            -5
            And what, in Hungary there was a war?

            Yes, and against a completely organized and capable enemy. This was not the case in Korea, Vietnam, or Afghanistan.
            1. SovAr238A
              SovAr238A 11 May 2022 12: 18
              +3
              Quote: Murat
              And what, in Hungary there was a war?

              Yes, and against a completely organized and capable enemy. This was not the case in Korea, Vietnam, or Afghanistan.


              You really carry such an alternative ...
              Did you read history?
              1. Murat
                Murat 11 May 2022 12: 49
                -2
                I am presenting historical facts, and if you do not like them, then this is your problem. There is a clear difference between a full-fledged war of two relatively equal opponents (Operation Whirlwind 1956, the Indo-Pakistani wars, the Iran-Iraq war, our current special operation), but there is "finishing a tied hare", that is, the destruction of an enemy obviously weakest in a qualitative sense to such an extent , which cannot be won back by quantitative superiority even with adequate command (Arab-Israeli wars, the US wars against Iraq, as well as counter-guerrilla wars such as Afghanistan and Chechnya).
                1. SovAr238A
                  SovAr238A 11 May 2022 12: 53
                  +4
                  Quote: Murat
                  I am presenting historical facts, and if you do not like them, then this is your problem. There is a clear difference between a full-fledged war of two relatively equal opponents (Operation Whirlwind 1956, the Indo-Pakistani wars, the Iran-Iraq war, our current special operation), but there is "finishing a tied hare", that is, the destruction of an enemy obviously weakest in a qualitative sense to such an extent , which cannot be won back by quantitative superiority even with adequate command (Arab-Israeli wars, the US wars against Iraq, as well as counter-guerrilla wars such as Afghanistan and Chechnya).


                  And what kind of military clashes were in Hungary in your "history"?
                  What forces were involved?
                2. Pilat2009
                  Pilat2009 11 May 2022 21: 08
                  0
                  Quote: Murat
                  between a full-fledged war of two relatively equal opponents (Operation Whirlwind 1956

                  Excuse me, but the events in Hungary do not pull for a full-fledged war. And there were no relatively equal opponents. Timing and losses speak for this. On the contrary, in Afghanistan, the losses speak for themselves. And in Chechnya too.
        2. AdAstra
          AdAstra 11 May 2022 14: 11
          -1
          Only no one got any experience from 2008.
          1. Old tanker
            Old tanker 11 May 2022 18: 03
            +1
            Only no one got any experience from 2008.


            In this you are very mistaken.
        3. Pilat2009
          Pilat2009 11 May 2022 21: 12
          -1
          Quote: Murat
          The IDF never fought against a full-fledged army

          You seriously do not consider the armies of Egypt, Syria, Jordan and other Arab countries inferior? And what was inferior in them?
          1. Murat
            Murat 11 May 2022 22: 13
            -1
            I don’t think so, but this fact is objective and irrefutable. And I'm not even going to waste time trying to prove this to you.
    2. Third district
      Third district 11 May 2022 06: 24
      -4
      Quote: Magic Archer
      Therefore, one of the main tasks is to block delivery channels. But for now, the border with Poland is out of reach, unfortunately. Article plus

      Why is the border out of reach. Calibers, Onyxes, Daggers will easily reach the border of western Ukraine and Poland. Why they don't do it is another question.
      1. Comrade I
        Comrade I 11 May 2022 07: 03
        +10
        We do not have so many Calibers, Onyxes, Daggers. There are targets for aviation.
        And we are afraid to let aviation in. Including due to the fact that air defense has not yet been knocked out with the help of all the same Calibers, Onyxes, Daggers.
        1. syndicalist
          syndicalist 11 May 2022 07: 27
          +1
          Quote: Comrade Y
          And we are afraid to let aviation in. Including due to the fact that air defense has not yet been knocked out

          How so? Two weeks ago, Konashenkov reported that the air defense of Ukraine was completely destroyed.
          1. Pilat2009
            Pilat2009 11 May 2022 09: 16
            +5
            Quote: syndicalist
            Quote: Comrade Y
            And we are afraid to let aviation in. Including due to the fact that air defense has not yet been knocked out

            How so? Two weeks ago, Konashenkov reported that the air defense of Ukraine was completely destroyed.

            You listen to him more
            1. AdAstra
              AdAstra 11 May 2022 14: 13
              +3
              So sometimes it happens, briefings are shown every day. In general, as we had a complete seam with propaganda, it remained.
  4. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 11 May 2022 06: 02
    +9
    Oh, it's a pity that Roman did not mention "Leopards-2"! If he had time to "paraffinize" them in this article, then I would go to sleep calm and peaceful, without even using my favorite "hypnotic"!
    This is me to the fact that somewhere in the news a line flashed: "Danish, Leopards-2, are going to Ukraine!" ....
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 11 May 2022 06: 44
      +6
      Hello Volodya!
      Did you mean it? A serious car, it was modernized several times (I don’t remember how many).
      The main battle tank "Leopard-2А5-DK" SV Denmark

  5. Coward
    Coward 11 May 2022 06: 07
    +8
    And there is such a trifle that they do not immediately pay attention to, and which is very unpleasant. This is an inch SI on American technology. Our wrenches, sockets and hex keys do not fit. You stand and look at the bolt and think: “What to do with you, you bastard?”
    And this is not to mention the lerks and swords, at least just to drive away the thread.
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 11 May 2022 07: 05
      +9
      Quote: Coward
      And there is such a trifle that they do not immediately pay attention to, and which is very unpleasant. This is an inch SI on American technology. Our wrenches, sockets and hex keys do not fit. You stand and look at the bolt and think: “What to do with you, you bastard?”
      And this is not to mention the lerks and swords, at least just to drive away the thread.

      Can they bring a tank, but can't tool kits? wassat
      1. Coward
        Coward 11 May 2022 07: 15
        +1
        They can, and when there is a delivery with a non-metric system, even the contract stipulates the delivery of a tool kit, but! But when you need it, as always, you will find hell. And believe me, there should be a very high repair culture so that the tool is not lost, but we have problems with this. Yes, and in the field, the entire tool is very quickly confused.
        1. Blackmokona
          Blackmokona 11 May 2022 07: 44
          +1
          Quote: Coward
          They can, and when there is a delivery with a non-metric system, even the contract stipulates the delivery of a tool kit, but! But when you need it, as always, you will find hell. And believe me, there should be a very high repair culture so that the tool is not lost, but we have problems with this. Yes, and in the field, the entire tool is very quickly confused.

          Somehow their ancient military equipment drives and shoots, which means they know how not to lose the tool. Yes, and usually a lost tool ends up in a lost garage. And then what for them an inch tool for their metric wheelbarrows? wassat
          1. Coward
            Coward 11 May 2022 08: 05
            0
            Of course, they don’t lose, because they were originally sharpened for the repair of this equipment, but here local lads will already repair and steal the holy cause, and when it is already discovered that “the grenade of the wrong system” is simply thrown away. No one will carry the "weight" back.
            I hope you do not think that the equipment will be transferred complete with repairmen?
            1. Blackmokona
              Blackmokona 11 May 2022 08: 09
              +2
              Quote: Coward
              Of course, they don’t lose, because they were originally sharpened for the repair of this equipment, but here local lads will already repair and steal the holy cause, and when it is already discovered that “the grenade of the wrong system” is simply thrown away. No one will carry the "weight" back.
              I hope you do not think that the equipment will be transferred complete with repairmen?

              Since the lads still drive and fly the equipment of the ancient years, it means they can repair it. Everything is simple here. Why T-64s can, but Leo can’t, I don’t understand
              1. Coward
                Coward 11 May 2022 08: 21
                +1
                I didn't say anything about Leo. I'm talking about abrasha. And I described an unpleasant problem in the first comment.
      2. Ruby
        Ruby 11 May 2022 09: 06
        +3
        Tool kits are the first thing that disappears from the spare parts kit of any equipment.
        1. Grancer81
          Grancer81 11 May 2022 10: 28
          +3
          Try to lose a key or a screwdriver from the tools on the plane .... They weigh their own stars.
    2. Sergey Valov
      Sergey Valov 11 May 2022 09: 05
      +1
      Inch threads and, accordingly, keys / pipes / nuts / taps / dies were originally used in the USSR in plumbing systems. So everything is there.
      1. Coward
        Coward 11 May 2022 09: 32
        +1
        Wrong these are different threads. Inch, different.
        1. Sergey Valov
          Sergey Valov 11 May 2022 10: 02
          +1
          I'm not mistaken. Inch thread, it is everywhere the same inch, as well as metric. As an example, try screwing a domestic nut onto an American / German pump. Get it easy.
          1. Coward
            Coward 11 May 2022 10: 25
            0
            You are confusing pipe threads with hardware. Try screwing a domestic nut onto an American bolt. You won’t succeed, and also try to unscrew the American bolt with our wrench.
            1. Sergey Valov
              Sergey Valov 11 May 2022 11: 29
              +1
              I don't confuse. There are simply a great many threads, but they are all standardized. There are power threads, there are self-tightening threads, threads for adjusting valves, etc. For example, I had to meet at least five M16 threads. The situation is similar with inch threads. As for the keys, everything is also standardized here, and where all the necessary keys are needed, and where they are not, they are easily made in any PRM.
      2. Old tanker
        Old tanker 11 May 2022 18: 09
        +1
        And there are adjustable and gas wrenches! Not a joke
  6. Gunther
    Gunther 11 May 2022 06: 09
    +18
    Quote: Author
    ... who will maintain and repair completely foreign equipment?

    Bonnets fly into the air - "everything is fine, beautiful marquise" ©
    The united West has enough resources for technicians, and for training and for the supply of new equipment, the question is already being raised of preparing and equipping NATO countries, on their territory, with a group of 40 thousand pots.
    Europeans can afford to lose several months to prepare and equip logs for the Ukrainian fire, they have the resources.
    Unlike us.
    1. -Paul-
      -Paul- 11 May 2022 07: 19
      +5
      We do not have the main resource - time.
  7. g_ae
    g_ae 11 May 2022 06: 25
    +3
    And again the question arises. And all this equipment will be unhindered at the forefront? With a gentle and careful attitude to the Ukrainian railway structure. Will the soldiers be disposed of one by one upon arrival, and not somewhere in the Lviv region? Kind of weird.
    1. vladcub
      vladcub 11 May 2022 07: 55
      +1
      "with a gentle and careful attitude" in the media there was information that platforms with equipment are hooked to passenger trains. And how to bomb such an echelon?
      1. Sergey Valov
        Sergey Valov 11 May 2022 09: 09
        +3
        They write nonsense about passenger trains. This is not even possible in theory.
      2. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 11 May 2022 09: 19
        +2
        Quote: vladcub
        "with a gentle and careful attitude" in the media there was information that platforms with equipment are hooked to passenger trains. And how to bomb such an echelon?

        The echelon can not be bombed. But the bridges must
        1. Negro
          Negro 11 May 2022 10: 12
          +3
          What are you going to bomb?
      3. AdAstra
        AdAstra 11 May 2022 14: 16
        -2
        Silently and as accurately as possible, so that nothing whole remains.
  8. svp67
    svp67 11 May 2022 06: 33
    +12
    Oh .... how much ... to put it mildly, "misunderstandings" I read in this article, wow ...
    And in a few months, the driver will be able to perform combat missions on the “new” equipment of the Leopard 1 type no worse than on the T-64.
    Yes, for God's sake, a previously well-trained mechanic will quickly master a new car in driving, but after all, the tank crew consists not only of him, there are also crew members who need to be trained in the same way. And the readiness of the crew will depend on the training of its most poorly trained member. That is, if it is possible to prepare a mechanic from a T-64 mech-water, who already has driving experience, in two to three months, then it will take much longer to prepare a gunner from a beginner and until he is ready, the crew will not be considered ready.
    This is how the original “Flugabwehrkanonenpanzer Gepard” is translated, although only an inveterate optimist can call the Gepard tank.
    This ZSU has a tank base chassis, from Leopard-1, in which the first modifications also did not have strong armor, everything was given to obtain maximum performance in terms of speed and maneuverability.
    And "Leopard-1", most likely will be the latest modification of "A5" with enhanced armor and good aiming and observation devices

    And the fact that they historically do not know how to use turbines.
    Who said it? They have quite enough T-80BV tanks, since an entire tank division armed with these tanks was withdrawn from the Group of Forces to them, some of them they use in battles. So, they have experience of "communication" with gas turbine engines
    Of course, you don’t need to “sprinkle ashes on your head” from such a “lend-lease”, but you can’t shower it with “caps”. The enemy must always be taken seriously...
  9. Eva Star
    Eva Star 11 May 2022 06: 34
    +9
    Don't care about these Lend-Leases. Russia can only lose because of the fifth column or mistakes in command.
    My question is, how does Russia plan to force Ukraine to surrender if Zelensky and his masters do not care about losses?
    Russia is now following the most stupid war scenario. Using a limited contingent, we get involved in a positional war. Our losses in such a war are minimal, but given that the West provides more and more destructive weapons, the losses will eventually become one to one, and maybe not in our favor. The current scenario in the future leads to huge losses and possible defeat.
    In the current scenario, cutting off the snake's head, striking the government of Ukraine, would win morale and wreak havoc. Another option is to destroy electrical substations and leave western Ukraine without electricity. As long as there is light, people are ready to fight for years, because the war does not concern them, and without light, the Ukrainians themselves will carry out Zelensky in a couple of weeks, plus delivering weapons from the western border will become a problem. See how Ukrainians react to the lack of gasoline, it causes huge problems.
    Let's look at the situation now in terms of the balance of power. Now Ukraine has an advantage in the number of soldiers, satellite reconnaissance, infantry equipment, manual MANPADS and anti-tank systems, strike drones and reconnaissance drones. Drones perfectly compensate for the lack of a large amount of artillery, APUs hit a little but accurately. This is not enough to introduce an active war, but enough for defense.
    If Ukraine continues to receive weapons from the West, Ukraine's advantages will grow in all directions, and on the contrary, our capabilities will be concealed, because in the industrial component, Russia is not the USSR, we cannot quickly make up for the losses with modern technology now.
    We'll see how the situation develops, but I don't like the current scenario.
    1. AdAstra
      AdAstra 11 May 2022 14: 18
      +1
      And address this question to the authorities, who sent the negotiators about something there and somewhere there, as if we were the losing side.
    2. Slaven
      Slaven 11 May 2022 17: 34
      0
      I'm not sure that we here, or they there, are fully aware of the course of this war. Accordingly, it is very difficult to draw any conclusions. Again, you can always change tactics. And what was impossible yesterday may become commonplace today. Previously, they didn’t even bomb with cast iron, but now it’s commonplace.
  10. Eugene Bell
    Eugene Bell 11 May 2022 06: 36
    0
    Phew, the author reassured. And now we need to sort out the problem of the lack of UAVs and sniper weapons in the troops. The special operation will be long and positional, for attrition.
  11. riwas
    riwas 11 May 2022 06: 48
    -3
    No panic: lend-lease is not a recipe for victory. Tanks and more

    There is no war between NATO and Russia yet, but its equipment will have to fight. This will be a very bad advertisement for NATO and US equipment - ours will beat it. And the West will justify that the Ukrainians could not properly use their equipment, but this will not save her reputation.
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 11 May 2022 07: 06
      -1
      Quote: riwas
      No panic: lend-lease is not a recipe for victory. Tanks and more

      There is no war between NATO and Russia yet, but its equipment will have to fight. This will be a very bad advertisement for NATO and US equipment - ours will beat it. And the West will justify that the Ukrainians could not properly use their equipment, but this will not save her reputation.

      Every time the Israelis smashed our equipment into dust, somehow its authority did not fall
      1. Negro
        Negro 11 May 2022 08: 21
        +2
        Quote: BlackMokona
        Every time the Israelis smashed our equipment into dust, somehow its authority did not fall

        Didn't fall. He was so flabby as well.

        However, the military authority of the Arabs was at an even more hanging level.
    2. Vlad Baryatinsky
      Vlad Baryatinsky 11 May 2022 11: 06
      0
      Quote: riwas
      There is no war between NATO and Russia yet

      There is! And it's been going for a long time.
      Quote: riwas
      This will be a very bad advertisement for NATO and US equipment - ours will beat it.

      They will bring new ones, what's the problem? Thanks to Nabiulina, the West has almost $400 billion, OUR MONEY.
      Quote: riwas
      And the West will justify that the Ukrainians could not properly use their equipment, but this will not save her reputation.

      Dear! Do you generally follow periodicals, database coverage?
      To put it modestly, NOBODY in the West, and even in our country, did not count on such resistance to the All.
  12. Tagan
    Tagan 11 May 2022 07: 03
    -2
    Quote: Snail N9
    ... And for some reason, the author bypasses the motivation of the warring parties. Something tells me that everything is fine with the Ukrainian side with motivation, but with the Russian side, everything is not so smooth.

    Seriously? Apparently, therefore, these "motivated" millions are dumped from Ukraine wherever possible, including from the front. Apparently, from the strong motivation of the captured Ukrainians, there are already more than five thousand.
    Listen to what the not-yet-captured and not yet fugitive ukrovoyaks say, whom no one is pulling by the tongue.
    Therefore, if "not everything is so smooth" with this personally for you, this is not yet an indicator.
    1. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 11 May 2022 09: 22
      +3
      Quote: Tagan
      Apparently, from the strong motivation of the captured Ukrainians, there are already more than five thousand.

      five thousand is not much. I would like to know how many of ours are in captivity. Recently they announced an exchange of 500 for 500
      1. AdAstra
        AdAstra 11 May 2022 14: 21
        +2
        But who will tell you about it. Before that, they themselves scolded Soviet agitation in front of the Great Patriotic War, and now in the "best" traditions of these, "with little blood, on foreign territory."
  13. Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 11 May 2022 07: 05
    +8
    The author, like last time, wishes for reality.
    Of course, we all also want the tanks handed over to Ukraine not to drive, planes not to fly, guns not to fire...
    Oh no.
    They shoot and fly.
    And the onset of the rapid is already available.

    And what is passed on is junk, because ours do not go into battle at all on the Armata.
    And thermal imagers, drones, walkie-talkies... volunteers have to buy and smuggle, bypassing Russian customs, to deliver to the troops.
    And even our Ministry of Defense is not shy about boasting that our fighters have to shoot down Ukrainian turntables with captured Stingers ....
    1. Slaven
      Slaven 11 May 2022 17: 38
      0
      I'm sorry, but where are the Ukrainians "rapidly" advancing?
      I heard that there was something only near Kharkov, but it is still difficult to call it swift and all the more significant.
      1. Jacket in stock
        Jacket in stock 11 May 2022 18: 30
        0
        Quote: Slaven
        only near Kharkov there was something, but it is still difficult to call it swift and all the more significant.
        Yes Yes.
        Compared to our pace, it looks like quite a rapid. And as for the significance, you need to see where all this will turn out in the end.
  14. Lykases1
    Lykases1 11 May 2022 07: 14
    +4
    But I liked that the 105 mm Leopard gun does not pose a threat to MBT. Here is a 100 mm BMP 3 cannon that poses a threat from certain angles, and a landmine will not add health to the tank. 30 mm poses a threat to the body kit, optics, and, well, to armor, depending on where you get. But 105 mm is not very. Yes, and land mines, probably, do not take infantry. The tank, he only shoots at the tank.
    1. Sergey Valov
      Sergey Valov 11 May 2022 09: 13
      -1
      MBT can be stopped 30 mm. cannon BMP 2 with proper use. She (the gun) was not just placed there.
      1. Lykases1
        Lykases1 11 May 2022 10: 06
        +3
        I know. But for the author, the leopard cannon is somehow toothless. There is nothing good in this Lend-Lease. For us, I mean.
        1. Sergey Valov
          Sergey Valov 11 May 2022 10: 15
          +5
          “There is nothing good in this Lend-Lease. For us, I mean "- I completely agree with you.
    2. Slaven
      Slaven 11 May 2022 17: 39
      0
      Of course, the l7 is also a serious weapon, it will calmly destroy lightly armored targets, as well as, in successful cases, tanks. But after all, the 2a70 is good not because it is a 100 mm gun, but because it is also a launcher.
  15. -Paul-
    -Paul- 11 May 2022 07: 16
    +9
    The author is too optimistic. And besides, he forgets that any tank, armored vehicle, aircraft or artillery system transferred and reaching the battlefield is the life of our soldiers. I emphasize - anyone!
  16. Landwarrior
    Landwarrior 11 May 2022 08: 20
    +5
    In addition to Abrams of different generations, there is also the M60. This machine is simpler, but nevertheless - there are many of them. They were in service in Germany, and in Turkey and Israel, and they were undergoing modernization ... This may well be delivered ... hi
  17. vvvjak
    vvvjak 11 May 2022 08: 32
    -2
    And even the terrible voracity of the turbine is not the main problem, although fuel is a problem for Ukrainian reality.

    1600 liters per 100 km is not a problem laughing As Churchill used to say: "If you want to ruin a small country, give it a cruiser!"
    1. SovAr238A
      SovAr238A 11 May 2022 12: 32
      0
      Quote: vvvjak
      And even the terrible voracity of the turbine is not the main problem, although fuel is a problem for Ukrainian reality.

      1600 liters per 100 km is not a problem laughing As Churchill used to say: "If you want to ruin a small country, give it a cruiser!"


      And why on earth did you draw a figure of 1600?
      Just pulled out of your nose?

      The reality sounds like this - 4,1 liters of fuel per 1 km of run.

      the diesel engine of the Leopard-2 tank has a specific fuel consumption of 180 g/l. s.-h,
      GTE tank M-1 "Abrams" - 202 g / l. s.-h,
      GTE of the T-80U tank - 225 g / l. s.-h

      T-72B3
      Fuel consumption is 260-450 liters in the combined cycle, on the highway - 240 liters.
      1. vvvjak
        vvvjak 11 May 2022 14: 23
        0
        Quote: SovAr238A
        And why on earth did you draw a figure of 1600?

        "data from an American analysis of the effectiveness of the Abrams tank during the fighting in the Persian Gulf." (with). There is a little "lie":
        "We see from the TTX, its consumption is indicated as 455 liters per 100 km. In fact, the fuel consumption was 1650 liters per 100 km, with a total tank capacity of 1900 liters."
        Quote: SovAr238A
        Just pulled out of your nose?

        The numbers do not grow in my nose, but there is no need to be rude.
  18. Negro
    Negro 11 May 2022 08: 42
    -2
    Well, there is sound grain in the stated position.

    At first it seemed that the West's stake in this conflict was economic strangulation + guerrilla warfare. Now it seems that, on the one hand, the idea of ​​guerrilla warfare is not yet working - the land in the South-East is not at all burning underfoot. At the same time, the actual military capabilities of the parties were assessed incorrectly, which leads to the idea of ​​the destruction of the RF Armed Forces by the Ukrainian side.

    However, the creation of an army capable of crushing the RF Armed Forces requires serious work from both the West and Ukraine. For 8 years, this work was done by 3-4 percent. How much interest can be done in a couple of months is not yet clear. Moreover, it is not clear how many percent are needed to resolve the issue with the RF Armed Forces.
  19. Non-fighter
    Non-fighter 11 May 2022 09: 03
    +6
    In general, it is possible to teach a driver a more or less decent possession of a tank of an unfamiliar design, fundamentally different from the Soviet base.

    Yuri Loza. "Tankman on a foreign car." There was a phrase there that all "foreign" tankers were registered separately.
    This time. And secondly, the SVO is clearly being delayed, we are moving into a protracted stage. They can have time to prepare not only crews, but also mechanics. And since maintenance is carried out not at the "forefront", but in the rear, even in the near one, it is possible to find appropriate specialists whose task will not be to shoot, but to turn the nuts.
    1. Negro
      Negro 11 May 2022 09: 57
      +1
      If we are talking about the crew, then the biggest problem is not the driver (and not even the black loader, who are in double deficit in Ukraine) but the commander of the vehicle, who adequately understands both the additional capabilities that the equipment gives and the additional flights that it can have .
      1. Wildcat
        Wildcat 11 May 2022 12: 11
        +1
        hi
        the biggest problem is not the driver, (and not even the black loader, who are in double deficit in Ukraine)

        The problem of the double deficit has been partially solved, the staff is already available:
  20. value
    value 11 May 2022 09: 38
    +1
    The only thing that the Russian army now dominates is the fire advantage of artillery. Due to superiority in the number of guns and ammunition. The supply of even towed howitzers and shells in huge quantities, plus counter-battery radars, can radically change the balance of power. Moreover, it does not require a lot of time for preparation and maintenance.
  21. Tagan
    Tagan 11 May 2022 09: 50
    -1
    Quote: Pilat2009
    Quote: Tagan
    Apparently, from the strong motivation of the captured Ukrainians, there are already more than five thousand.

    five thousand is not much. I would like to know how many of ours are in captivity. Recently they announced an exchange of 500 for 500

    A lot or not, still depends on the period for which and on the emerging situation at the front. In addition, the prisoners were taken by a group that does not outnumber the Ukrainian one. There are no prerequisites for improving the position of the ukrovermacht, in my opinion. Those. the number will grow steadily.
  22. EvilLion
    EvilLion 11 May 2022 10: 07
    -1
    In principle, for defensive battles, when you need to shoot hordes of Russian tanks without moving too much, it’s enough.


    But just NO-FI-GA. And in the case of "Abrams" NO-FI-GA in the square. Because it is here that the gas turbine engine turns out to be completely unsuitable for the tank. In order for a tank to function at all, it must have a running engine. There is, of course, the Armed Forces of Ukraine (auxiliary power plant, not the rabble forces of Ukraine), but in battle no one will sit on the Armed Forces of Ukraine alone, the machine must be "under steam". And especially the turbine one, there is no rigid mechanical connection between the engine and the chassis, there is no throttle response either. Accordingly, the tank, even without moving especially, still eats diesel fuel at low speeds. For a diesel tank, the fuel supply to thresh like this with an engine can be enough for 2 days, if not more. The problem is that the gas turbine engine has an economical mode - this is just the maximum speed. That is, the mode is typical for aircraft that fly in a straight line, but completely atypical for ground vehicles, especially such unhurried ones as tanks. And the development of 1 refueling even without any special movements, just in the mode of maintaining full readiness, can take not a couple of days, but several hours.

    If the aircraft, as mentioned above, can be diverted to the territory of a third country


    As already mentioned, the planes of the 3rd country can be called Ukrainian, and even the pilots can be excluded from the Air Force and enrolled in the Ukroluftval. I'm only afraid that ours will perceive this as NATO aggression and airfields will be calibrated regardless of the country of location. And the downed pilots, unable to speak Russian, after being captured, will go for a very long time to cold Siberia. If they are alive. And then there will be cries of the "victims" and excuses from all sorts of Italy and Spain, who will say that you gave your people and equipment to dill, you yourself solve your problems with the Russians.

    By the way, Rheinmetall has already announced that it cannot supply more than one ammunition load to its Leopards.


    I had such an assumption even as soon as these museum exhibits announced for delivery that there might be nothing to shoot with. They could just send it to Kubinka right away. Aesthetically, I like the Leo-1, how the tank did not fully justify itself, but it looks cool.

    So, after raising glasses for Lend-Lease, a hangover will come very quickly.


    This is called the Wheel of Genotba.
  23. Nestorych
    Nestorych 11 May 2022 10: 10
    -1
    The main argument "who will serve" is easily broken, it will be PMCs or, in simple terms, hired foreign specialists, they may even be behind the levers.)
    Logistics is the basis of war, it beats even strategy, because if you could not concentrate enough forces in the right direction, there will be no result. But, the RF Armed Forces are also experiencing logistical problems, naturally the opposite side will also have them, the question is how critical they are ?! Only time will tell, but logistical assistance is serious!
    1. Cowbra
      Cowbra 11 May 2022 10: 53
      -4
      There are no tank specialists in PMCs, and even more so, technical specialists. The very principle of PMCs does not imply the presence of heavy equipment in them. She, blinklinton, needs to be stored somewhere during breaks, and somehow delivered to the theater of operations, which is simply beyond the power of PRIVATE VK.
    2. EvilLion
      EvilLion 11 May 2022 14: 13
      -2
      You will not find specialists in military equipment outside the army, because they are not trained in other places. Only retirees can, but they won't go anywhere. PMCs are negligible compared to armies, and an attempt to disguise an army as PMCs will lead to considering such a stunt as aggression.
  24. BAI
    BAI 11 May 2022 10: 33
    +3
    All the author's arguments about the lack of time for the training of service personnel and directly military personnel to control equipment, both here and in the last article, are, to put it mildly, utter nonsense. Time in Ukraine is a wagon. The special operation is not only dragged out, in some places (near Kharkov) the Armed Forces of Ukraine themselves recaptured the lost territories. Ahead - at best, a year, or even 2-3 years of war at such a pace
    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion 11 May 2022 14: 18
      0
      Objectively ukroina will die economically no later than the next. years, because no tanks will solve the problem of a freezing hungry population.

      Near Kharkov, the Armed Forces of Ukraine didn’t recapture anything, perhaps they crawled out somewhere, and ours just retreated a bit so that they didn’t get artillery, but an attempt to stick out of the cities would end predictably. But the Lisichansko-Severodonetsk grouping, apparently, will not survive until the summer, or retreat, leaving everything that is not taken away and a vigorous escape under artillery fire, or die surrounded.
  25. Cowbra
    Cowbra 11 May 2022 10: 44
    -8
    A small question - how many years have they NOT been producing engines for the Abrams? Years 40? And the company that produced them went bankrupt long ago. And even in the USA, tanks are cannibalized so that at least something goes ... Now they fled to supply Abrams with an undeveloped motor resource.
    Further, how many tanks were knocked out in 2 months? Around 1000. How much can all NATO deliver, well, to the maximum? Do not talk nonsense about old Soviet tanks, if they were on the move, then long BEFORE the special operation, all of Eastern Europe would not have been running around, bulging their eyes and trying to buy tanks. So 200 pieces is a real maximum. Half will be beaten on a piece of iron, the rest will be crushed in a week. Of course, it would be better if they didn’t exist at all, but even if they do, it won’t noticeably affect at all
    1. Negro
      Negro 11 May 2022 12: 09
      +6
      Quote: Cowbra
      The company that made them went bankrupt.

      No. There were several mergers - spin-offs, but Honeywell works quite well for himself. Moreover, for Abram there is an option to replace the engine and gearbox with an MTU diesel. In the sense of a ready-made kit, it is offered on the market.
      Quote: Cowbra
      even in the USA tanks are cannibalized so that at least something goes ...

      In 6 countries, Abram is in service.
      Quote: Cowbra
      Further, how many tanks were knocked out in 2 months? Around 1000.

      You have already knocked out all the tanks that were in units on February 24, and more than once. I wonder why it would be such a loss. There were no boilers except for Marik.
      Quote: Cowbra
      How much can they put, well, to the maximum, all NATO?

      As much as you want. This junk from the 91st year of the mountain. The question is how many are alive.
      Quote: Cowbra
      long BEFORE the special operation, all of Eastern Europe would not have been running around, bulging their eyes and trying to buy tanks

      Seriously? Haven't heard of such problems.
      Quote: Cowbra
      Half will be beaten on a piece of iron, the rest will be crushed in a week

      Uh-uh.
      Well, personally you are very much missed on the fronts of a special military operation.
      1. Cowbra
        Cowbra 11 May 2022 12: 33
        -3
        Quote: Negro
        Well, personally you are very much missed on the fronts of a special military operation.

        How can I argue with a specialist! Which, based on the fact that the Germans once offered to put a diesel engine on an abram, an epic began for another 15 years, but they just haven’t put it on yet - talks about kits in six armies. So in what army is that kit? The plant is not going bankrupt? And where is the plant that produced the gas turbine engine, show with your finger - it definitely did not go bankrupt? I may not be enough THERE - so you don’t get lost, otherwise your place in the queue for a cookie will be taken
        They didn't have boilers. In Kharkov especially. They got these IPSOs, they themselves are wooden, and they also carry nonsense, designed for the same Pinocchio
        1. SovAr238A
          SovAr238A 11 May 2022 12: 57
          +1
          Quote: Cowbra
          Quote: Negro
          Well, personally you are very much missed on the fronts of a special military operation.

          How can I argue with a specialist! Which, based on the fact that the Germans once offered to put a diesel engine on an abram, an epic began for another 15 years, but they just haven’t put it on yet - talks about kits in six armies. So in what army is that kit? The plant is not going bankrupt? And where is the plant that produced the gas turbine engine, show with your finger - it definitely did not go bankrupt? I may not be enough THERE - so you don’t get lost, otherwise your place in the queue for a cookie will be taken
          They didn't have boilers. In Kharkov especially. They got these IPSOs, they themselves are wooden, and they also carry nonsense, designed for the same Pinocchio

          Again, he has all the IPSOs ...
          When it starts to spin, as it were, completely lying, then another song about IPSO begins immediately.

          The plant has been located for many decades at the same address:
          652 Oliver Street, Williamsport, PA 17701
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    3. SovAr238A
      SovAr238A 11 May 2022 12: 45
      +1
      Quote: Cowbra
      A small question - how many years have they NOT been producing engines for the Abrams? Years 40? And the company that produced them went bankrupt long ago. And even in the USA, tanks are cannibalized so that at least something goes ... Now they fled to supply Abrams with an undeveloped motor resource.
      Further, how many tanks were knocked out in 2 months? Around 1000. How much can all NATO deliver, well, to the maximum? Do not talk nonsense about old Soviet tanks, if they were on the move, then long BEFORE the special operation, all of Eastern Europe would not have been running around, bulging their eyes and trying to buy tanks. So 200 pieces is a real maximum. Half will be beaten on a piece of iron, the rest will be crushed in a week. Of course, it would be better if they didn’t exist at all, but even if they do, it won’t noticeably affect at all


      Why are you lying all the time?
      The real manufacturer of gas turbines is Lycoming.
      Feels great.
      Serves and accompanies now 200 thousand engines produced by this company and serviced by it.
      That is, they are at work.
      1. Cowbra
        Cowbra 11 May 2022 14: 31
        -1
        The company exists, but the engine plant is closed. Like the factory producing Abrams tanks - it is closed precisely because it went bankrupt - there are no orders. So, what does the firm exist or not exist here?
        1. Negro
          Negro 11 May 2022 15: 15
          +2
          Even though I open the Honeywell website and see this AGT1500 in the products. Maybe, of course, you are right - Honeywell does not manufacture these turbines, but buys stolen from American / Egyptian ensigns. But to be honest, it's unlikely.
          1. Cowbra
            Cowbra 11 May 2022 15: 36
            -1
            PRODUCED. They even officially sold a license for it to some office. Only that office does not release it. I’m saying, the old Abrams are really cannibalizing there
    4. EvilLion
      EvilLion 11 May 2022 14: 21
      -1
      So dill bought them before the war, except for the Poles, no one else has large batches of Soviet weapons. And the "jevelins" of the saints were brought before the war, and now they are whining about a small supply.
  26. astra wild2
    astra wild2 11 May 2022 11: 13
    +6
    Good morning .. Colleagues, it seems to me that Roman was in a hurry and didn’t think at all: “sooner or later they will collect a statement on the number of shells,” as if they were scattered all over Brazil. They lie in a warehouse and the Brazilians only need to reload them into trucks, and then onto a plane. It won't take long..
    “Only infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers can act as its opponents,” even I know perfectly well that an armored personnel carrier does not oppose a tank.
    These Cheetahs are designed to fight helicopters, and there are a lot of Mi 24s in the VKS.
    A tank is an "iron fist" to strike at the defense or develop an offensive.
    They can use "tank ambushes".
    I have a summary of my sons for the 1st course lying around somewhere. He cums in Kazan
  27. Wildcat
    Wildcat 11 May 2022 11: 42
    +2
    Here it is appropriate to recall Admiral Gordey Levchenko, who, together with the naval attache in the UK Sklyarov and Ambassador Maisky, was looking all over the UK for liners for the trunks of the Royal Sovereign battleship, which was to become Arkhangelsk.
    - I got a tear...
    fellow
    Somehow Maisky, Levchenko and Sklyarov got together in the UK.
    Everywhere they searched for these same liners.
    How long, how short - Great Britain, it is big and you never know where the liners are, for 381 mm guns - but they found it.
    That’s the end of the tale, and whoever listened is well done.

    But let's go in order.
    Indeed, there is no need to rush.

    It is no easier here than with airplanes, although not so hopelessly. In general, it is possible to teach a driver a more or less decent possession of a tank of an unfamiliar design, fundamentally different from the Soviet base. Approximately 3-4 months. In general, according to our tank expert Alex TV, Soviet tanks are more difficult to manage than Germans or Americans, and therefore it is not so difficult to train a driver.
    An intelligent instructor, a training ground and not to spare diesel fuel - this is the recipe for success. And in a few months, the driver will be able to perform combat missions on the “new” equipment of the Leopard 1 type no worse than on the T-64.
    The trouble is elsewhere. We need to train the technical staff again. Engine, transmission, instruments - everything will require maintenance. It is the service, it is still necessary to live up to the repair. But if this service does not exist, the tanks will simply become disposable.
    But to serve such ancient structures is very, very difficult.

    The tank must be serviced at a small distance from the front line in order to return to service as quickly as possible. I emphasize that we are talking about maintenance, and not about repairs. According to our tank expert, maintenance is even more important than repair, because it is precisely the correct and timely maintenance that can delay the moment the combat vehicle leaves for repair as much as possible.

    from the point of view of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, they have been in the database since 2014, eight years, and guess which country the Armed Forces of Ukraine are fighting with according to the Armed Forces of Ukraine?
    "About 3-4 months" is not a very long time for them. Yes, the conditional Popasna was taken, but we look at the database map near Kharkov - everything is much more fun with the Armed Forces of Ukraine, "overcoming" and other joys.

    The author correctly emphasizes that it is possible that the Armed Forces of Ukraine will be retrained for equipment from the United States - several thousand Abrams, Bradleys, M113s and other Cold War legacies are stored there.
    The reserves of Soviet-type weapons are coming to an end, available to the Armed Forces of Ukraine are, IMHO, 2-3 hundreds of T72 variants and more than a thousand BMP 1-2.
    Therefore, it still makes sense for the Armed Forces of Ukraine to switch to the NATO standard, since 33 billion dollars and lend-lease allows you to send mountains of weapons.
    Although, it should be noted, we are lucky that money in itself does not turn into a weapon and you can "fall in love" with any amount.

    Air defense "Gepard"
    - good name...
    booking "Cheetah" can only protect against fragments, since it is sheets of ordinary rolled steel
    - "the frontal armor has a thickness of 70 mm, and the angle of inclination of 30 degrees corresponds to a penetration length of 140 mm, the thickness of the side, bottom and stern armor is only 20 to 30 mm" request . In principle, even fragments from a 381 mm land mine will hold "on the forehead" wink
    Today, the Gepard is so outdated that only infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers, for which there is a threat of armor-piercing shells of 35-mm Oerlikons, can act as its opponents. The problem is that the "Gepard" does not have a tank corps, so modern BPMs can easily open the "air defense tank" with their automatic guns, which, by the way, are not inferior in terms of caliber.
    - No, of course there is hope that the Armed Forces of Ukraine will use Cheetahs (at the cost of four tanks and the size of a considerable barn) not against low-flying targets, but against infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers. However, something is hard to believe, while such escapades from the ZSU were not noticed by the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
    but something tells us that it will not be difficult to shoot 2-3 b / c “Cheetah” in a day. What about light armored vehicles, what about aviation assets, of which Russia has more than enough.
    So judge now for yourself, 20 rounds of ammunition per car - is that a lot or what?
    If we ignore the exciting shooting at ground targets - in Chechnya and Afghanistan, ZSU were engaged in this due to the lack of targets in the air; the Armed Forces of Ukraine, to put it mildly, do not have the problem of the lack of targets in the air - then the following story with the BC turns out. "The combat ammunition used has a caliber of 35 × 228 mm and is pulled into an endless belt .... Two ammunition bunkers are separated from the fighting compartment by removable covers with seals .... Each of them holds 320 shots at "flying targets", which is usually enough to deal with more than 25 "flying targets." 25 times 20 is 500. Is it a lot or a little?
    However, as the author correctly noted, Cheetahs and BC still need to be received.
    So far, the Armed Forces of Ukraine mostly manage MANPADS against low-flying targets. Well, these very "low-flying" ones are working out the original method of launching the NURS "in a nose-up", there are already several such funny videos.

    Approximately the same awaits "Abrams" in the Ukrainian open spaces. If you recall the "Desert Storm" in 1991, there "Abrams" moved mainly along the roads so that they could be refueled without problems.
    -OMG

    As for the announcement of deliveries of HIMARS and M270 MLRS, then there is no need to indulge in optimism.
    I agree with the author. If you estimate the radii of these MLRS, it becomes not fun at all.

    Time. While crews and technicians will be trained, while shells will be collected all over the world
    I also agree with the author here. As long as there is time.
    There is no official data on the NWO grouping. According to the estimates of the Austrian military, 93 BTGs are currently operating from the Russian side. All over Ukraine.
    In this regard, I would like to repeat my comment on the article by R. Skomorokhov:
    "17 February 2022 08: 06
    NEW
    +14
    How and how to shoot down Russian planes
    It is possible to resist the Russian army with the help of Javelins, Bayraktars and Stingers. The only question is the time that this confrontation and effectiveness will last. But neither today nor tomorrow, the air defense of Ukraine is not able to provide at least minimal resistance to a normal air force.
    the author also forgot about Shilki, it’s good that MANPADS were mentioned at the end.

    About the time of confrontation, we look at a fresh example - Syria: 2015 - present. time

    On the effectiveness of the confrontation, we look at a fresh example - Georgia, 2008. Five days of war, 6 shot down (including "friendly fire") 3-4 - damaged. https://www.bbc.com/russian/russia/2009/07/090709_russia-georgia_airforce_losses

    In general, it is amazing how ***** with the largest country in Europe (after the Russian Federation), with a population of about 40 million and its own military-industrial complex (plus half of NATO signed up for the "quartermasters" of the Armed Forces of Ukraine) is described as a cakewalk.
    The example of Syria, which is three times smaller than Ukraine in terms of area and at least 2 times smaller in terms of population, does not teach anything.
    "

    Why am I writing this?
    I must confess that my opinion is to leave the people to their own amusements, and let what must happen be done.
    But all the time my acquaintances and friends pour censures on me for this (once again they sent a post of a journalist with seven lives) and believe that it is my duty (OMG, I always try to determine what my duty is ...) is to at least show my people facts and ask to draw conclusions. On one's own.

    A journalist, IMHO, especially one who is a "military journalist" must still understand that he is responsible for what he writes.
    It is impossible to cherish and cherish "" hat-bearing " moods.
    A military journalist must "estimate" the potentials of the parties, the territory and the goals of the operations. And, perhaps, a military journalist should write "33 yards of bucks for a weapon is a dox / /. It would be necessary to identify the goals of the NWO and consolidate their achievement by political methods."
    In the meantime, it turns out "No panic once ...", "No panic two ...".
    There is a good anecdote about the sentry (here is the Military Review, so the anecdote will be military laughing ): the sentry at the post thinks about his "needs" and repeats to himself "I will not panic, I will not panic"; an hour passes and he thinks "I'm not panicking, I'm not panicking"... feel
    1. Negro
      Negro 11 May 2022 12: 25
      -3
      Quote: Wildcat
      It would be necessary to outline the goals of the NWO and consolidate their achievement by political methods.

      Who now knows the purpose of the operation? How things will go in terms of demilitarization, such targets will be selected for a special military operation.
      1. Wildcat
        Wildcat 12 May 2022 08: 33
        +2
        laughing
        Hehe. Mistake.
        The goals of the operation are like the borders of Russia:
        1. Negro
          Negro 12 May 2022 09: 37
          +1
          Only these boundaries do not end the other way around. On the 24th they were going to denazify Lvov by March 8, and now khe-khe.
          1. Wildcat
            Wildcat 12 May 2022 09: 53
            0
            Well, this is from the fact that not everyone has yet understood that "there is no time for buildup"!
            angry
            Even before March 8, the responsible persons were identified, so to speak:
            “By the way, during the operation itself I can say. There are many, I know, speculations. True, I especially have no time to get acquainted with this, but they report that there is a lot of talk about what is going on and how. All analysts see what is happening, so I will not reveal any secret to you here. One could act differently, one could simply - by the way, partly the answer to your question - help the republics of Donbass right on the line of contact, at the front, as they say, and just reinforce them with our Russian army. But in this case, from the other side, meaning the reckless support from the West for nationalists and radicals, from that side there would be endless support with material resources, ammunition, equipment, and so on.

            Therefore, our General Staff and the Ministry of Defense chose a different path. The first thing they did was to destroy the entire military infrastructure. Not all, partially, mainly: warehouses with weapons, ammunition, aviation, air defense systems. Air defense systems, their elimination requires a certain time - you are peaceful people, but still you are related to aviation - they need to be opened, then hit. This work is practically completed. Hence the requirement to close the sky. But the implementation of this requirement is associated with colossal and catastrophic consequences not only for Europe, but for the whole world. I think that there is an understanding of this among those who are on the other side of something there.

            Therefore, we went this way - absolutely correctly, as it turned out. Our servicemen are working calmly, doing everything to ensure the safety of the civilian population."
            http://www.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/67913
            5 March 2022.

            And of course, Popasnaya is not Lviv, and even more so not Kyiv, but "the beginning of trouble"!
            We'll live and see.
            1. Negro
              Negro 12 May 2022 10: 22
              0
              Oh yes, we'll see. We already see. But yes, the dashing grandfather began.
  28. AdAstra
    AdAstra 11 May 2022 14: 25
    +2
    "... lend-lease is not a recipe for victory ...", but "there is a recipe" for the deprivation of life of many of our soldiers and officers.
  29. Dmitry Donyakin
    Dmitry Donyakin 11 May 2022 15: 48
    -3
    Finally a good article. About all these pseudo deliveries of heavy equipment.
  30. Commodore Arctic
    Commodore Arctic 11 May 2022 16: 52
    -2
    Moscow. 25th of April. INTERFAX.RU - The supply of arms to Kyiv by NATO countries is essentially a proxy war against Russia, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation will consider the warehouses of these weapons as their legitimate target on the territory of Ukraine, said Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov.


    As I understand it, this is practically a combat order for our multi-purpose nuclear submarines to destroy sea transports at the crossing - North America - Heropa, carrying "Abrams", because on Lockheed C-5 Galaxy aircraft, flying 70 tons each is too long and very expensive!
  31. Pavel57
    Pavel57 11 May 2022 17: 06
    0
    Generally true, although with inaccuracies. The Poles do not have Leopard 1, but Leopard 2, and these are different tanks. Ukrainians are familiar with gas turbines - there is (was) a certain amount of T-80.
  32. Ivanushka Ivanov
    Ivanushka Ivanov 11 May 2022 17: 24
    0
    SW. moles. Well, why did you set up this "mobilization" mantra?! She goes her own way. Recruit fighters under the contract. The most "humane" option. If anything, payments are provided for families. The people are more mature and experienced in life.
    All these raids... and other bullshit from the romance of the second world. When the enemy is weak and blind - yes. And it's good that we didn't really get anything. Somewhere, the "partners" did not work out, they did not drag us into the deep Ukrainian ass-poo. Otherwise, a bloody harvest would have to be gathered all over Ukraine. The army must be numerous. But more - it must be staffed and trained. Otherwise, the fighters turn into meat. The command ceases to save such manpower.
    Since modern Russia is not able to adequately equip and train the armada, we should use the tactics that are available to us. Thankfully, it works. There are people who can do it and who do it. There is enough fist already now. They recruit more fighters, bring them to mind. It will be slow. But this is what we can do. And this is what the West is afraid of. Now, if we collect five million and rush to Ukraine, this does not frighten them. They will drown us in blood. And the tactic named after Wladimir Klitschko - a thousand and one Jabs in the face ... this is a cruel, sobering retribution from the Jedi army ...
  33. Commodore Arctic
    Commodore Arctic 11 May 2022 17: 37
    0
    Well, there’s nothing special to rejoice at - one way or another, you’ll have to fight with the “tambourines”! But good article! Thank you!
  34. BAI
    BAI 11 May 2022 19: 25
    +1
    The author demonstrated complete isolation from modern realities. Now the following information was given on the Star:
    1. In Zaprozhye, the Armed Forces of Ukraine used Paladin self-propelled howitzers received from England. Here and now. We didn't expect anything. And NATO plans to train 40 specialists to work with Western weapons. What will stop them?
    2. For Leopard-1 tanks in Germany, there are only 4 shells. Swiss production. And the contract prohibits their transfer to third countries.
  35. Martin
    Martin 11 May 2022 19: 48
    +1
    Yes, the tank can still be buried in the ground and used as a pillbox. But the planes are gone.

    How to say…
    Pokryshkin wrote in the Sky of War that when a German landing was suddenly expected in the area of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbtheir airfield, technicians and BAO deployed fighters with machine-gun and cannon weapons in the direction of suspicious surrounding bushes in order to support the airfield security unit with fire. True, it never came to the shooting, somehow it resolved differently there.
    Therefore, a bunker plane (or rather, even a bunker plane, since there is more wood in the plane than concrete) is a matter of creativity only. winked
  36. Pavel57
    Pavel57 12 May 2022 01: 54
    +1
    Quote: BAI
    The author demonstrated complete isolation from modern realities. .......
    2. For Leopard-1 tanks in Germany, there are only 4 shells. Swiss production. And the contract prohibits their transfer to third countries.


    Not for Leopard-1, but for Cheetah. There is enough ammunition for the English 105 mm Leopard 1 gun.
    1. Repellent
      Repellent 12 May 2022 01: 59
      +1
      Quote: Pavel57
      Not for Leopard-1, but for Cheetah

      Well, narooood ... they confuse a cable with a male, Bebel with Babel and a cheetah with a leopard ... there are no words laughing
  37. couch
    couch 12 May 2022 18: 22
    0
    the war is always won by the one who has his own equipment and his trained personnel who has a powerful industry behind his back. If at least one of the constituent moments is missing, then no help will help (it’s impossible to put together a puzzle without one)