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No panic: lend-lease is not a recipe for victory. Aircraft

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Recently, the media and the blogosphere have been discussing the issue of adopting a lend-lease law in the United States regarding the supply of military equipment to Ukraine. In Ukraine itself, there is a complete victory over this, they are celebrating this event and seriously believe that now, with the advent of new and modern technology, both Crimea and Donbass will be recaptured.


Well, until we begin to say nothing on this topic.

Another question is that on our side a huge number of writing people, many of whom call themselves military experts, began to discuss this topic. It is surprising how some of the “colonels” of the Internet gave out very strange analytical calculations, in which there was a fear that the Abrams and the Falcons could have a significant impact on the situation in Ukraine.

I don’t consider myself a great specialist in lend-lease issues, but in the works on the series “Among Strangers” and “Another Lend-Lease” (together with A. Staver), I had to study mountains of related documents. And on the basis of this information, as well as with the help of real experts, I will venture to present a third point of view on Lend-Lease.

Three highly respected specialists will help me in this:

- on behalf of aviation great master of the use of imported equipment, air marshal, thrice Hero of the Soviet Union, Alexander Pokryshkin.

No panic: lend-lease is not a recipe for victory. Aircraft

Or rather, his book. To the surprise of many, this will not be the "Sky of War" that is on the shelf of every interested person. history that war of a man, and its reissue, “Know Thyself in Battle”, which came out after the death of the famous pilot. This book was published by a group of editors as closely as possible to the author's text and without gaps. By the way, for the first time there, Pokryshkin’s opponent and his regimental commander are called not Kraev or Zaev, but the real name Isaev.

- on behalf of fleet admiral of the Soviet fleet Gordey Levchenko and his book “Together with the fleet. Unknown memoirs of the admiral.


There is only one episode, but what, after all, it was Levchenko who was the commander of the detachment of ships received under Lend-Lease from the British in 1944.

- our tank expert, Lieutenant Colonel Alexei Kuznetsov (Alex TV), who very well put on the tracks my knowledge in some aspects of the use of armored vehicles in general and in particular.

Considering that there will be many details, we will start with questions that we ourselves will answer.

It is worth starting from the most crazy point, replicated by the Ukrainian press and repeated by Russian unfortunate experts. From F-16C / D aircraft, which, allegedly, are already standing in even rows somewhere on the border with Ukraine and are waiting for their pilots.

And in all seriousness, these experts are discussing the damage that Ukrainian pilots can cause by sitting in the cockpits of these aircraft.


As already established, we are going into history, that is, in those days when Lend-Lease was a very significant matter. The Great Patriotic War for us and World War II for the rest of the world. Then lend-lease was a very significant help for both the UK and the USSR.

So, American and British military equipment went to the USSR. It was. And this technique was a very useful help, no matter what the especially rabid ones said. Tanks, planes, trucks, jeeps, locomotives - it was all there.


But we have planes. And here the memoirs of Alexander Ivanovich Pokryshkin, who shot down the lion's share of the planes precisely on the American fighter Airacobra, are very appropriate. Together with Twice Heroes of the Soviet Union A. F. Klubov and G. A. Rechkalov, as well as Heroes of the Soviet Union I. I. Babak, V. E. Bondarenko, G. G. Golubev, N. M. Iskrin, V. P. Karpovich, K. V. Sukhov, A. I. Trud, V. I. Fadeevvm, V. A. Figichev, the Glinka brothers and many others.

Here it is worth referring to Pokryshkin's memoirs, from which it follows that in 1942, from August to December, the regiment in which Pokryshkin served did not participate in the battles. And in 1943, the regiment in full strength had a foreign business trip to Iran, which lasted until April 1943.

What did the regiment do? Studied and distilled new materiel. It took almost eight months!!! Moreover, the stage, you know, is a trifle in terms of time. They flew in, got planes, got a leader-guide and flew back. The maximum is a week.

Three walks, good. Spare aircraft, for those who have to retrain - everything is clear. But this is a maximum of a month, although during the war time was not wasted like that. Alexander Ivanovich himself wrote that the delay for a day with the receipt of the leading crew caused displeasure.

But did it take time only to train pilots? Of course not!

Yes, an ace pilot of the Pokryshkin level could sit in the cockpit of an aircraft of an unfamiliar design, having at his disposal a competent, knowledgeable machine, technician, and successfully fly in two or three hours. These facts took place and are mentioned by many pilots.

But it seems that in order for Pokryshkin to fly and shoot down German planes, his Chuvashkin technique was enough. Well, as in the film “Only Old Men Go to Battle”, the role of the technical staff is also shown there ... episodically.

In fact, in order for one pilot to carry out combat missions, the work of more than a dozen people was needed. Engineers, electricians, hydraulics, gunsmiths - this is only half, the second is airfield services. But we are interested in the first part.

So, the lion's share of the time was spent not on the training of pilots, but on the training of technical staff. Engineers who had previously worked with Klimov or Mikulin engines should have clearly understood what Allison is, what are the features of its operation, how to properly maintain this engine.

In general, the task of instrumentation was simply cool: to ensure the translation and correct calibration of instruments that worked in the inch metric system.


The cockpit of the MiG-3 aircraft, on which Pokryshkin fought at the beginning of the war


And this is the "Kingcobra", which also went under Lend-Lease

As they say, feel the difference. Of course, you can study everything. The question is how quickly and efficiently.

The new range of weapons became a headache for gunsmiths. There was a whole lot to think about here. Not only that, 39 types of guns came with the R-2 (37-mm Browning M4 gun, which is mistakenly called Oldsmobile, according to the brand of the manufacturer and 20-mm Hispano-Suiza HS-404), large-caliber 2 mm Browning M12,7 machine gun, 7,62 mm M2 machine gun again from Browning, it was necessary to know the work patterns, the causes of failures and delays, maintenance and repair.

And so in everything.

Moreover, regular maintenance meant even more than repairs. For it, maintenance, maximally postponed the repair and everything connected with it. And all this had to be taught to technicians.

Of course, analogies, experience and everything else helped to reduce the time, however, much more time was spent on studying the material part than on the aircraft's behavior in the air and piloting capabilities.

That is why the REGIMENT was retrained, and not the pilots of the regiment. Everyone studied, both flight and technical staff. That is why there is such a “hole” in the fighting of the Pokryshkin regiment, from August to April. But, having retrained, they showed that the time was not wasted.

Six months. This is the period for which everything happened in not the worst regiment of the Red Army Air Force. I would say outstanding.

And yes, this despite the fact that there was a war going on, and while the regiment in which Pokryshkin served was being retrained, other pilots were fighting at the front.

Can the Ukrainian Air Force arrange something similar? Definitely not. The state of the Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine does not differ for the better both in the number of personnel and in quality. This is justified by the unstable financing of the Air Force, which undoubtedly affected the quality of training. Hence the losses, because in modern war it is difficult to compensate for the lack of training with patriotic zeal. Modern air defense systems do not take into account patriotism.

And the technology has become more complex. Switching from a MiG-29 to a seemingly classmate F-16C / D is much more difficult than from a MiG-3 to a R-39. Yes, humans have evolved a bit too, but…


The cockpit of the MiG-29, the main aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force


And this is the F-16C

There is a difference, right?

It is not easy to take and sit in the cockpit of the F-16 after the MiG-29. You need to know the technique, know the language. Yes, it is probably possible to translate all electronics into Ukrainian, but who will bother with this business in the USA? And will it be at all.

How difficult it is to retrain from the MiG-29 to the F-16, I can’t judge, but there is information about how much time was spent on retraining the pilots of the 2nd SAP and 47th BAP from Su-24 aircraft to Su-34. Retraining took place on the basis of the 4th State Center for the Training of Aviation Personnel of the Ministry of Defense of Russia named after V.P. Chkalov in Lipetsk.

Considering that the personnel were “driven” on four aircraft, and from 70 to 80 flight hours were spent for each pilot with piloting, shooting, bombing, plus the technical staff was also retrained, since the Su-24 and Su-34 are generally aircraft of different eras, it is not surprising that retraining took ... more than half a year!

Here, however, there are some nuances. Russia did not conduct military operations at that time (the 47th bap was retrained in 2012, the 2nd bap was retrained in 2016), no one was in a hurry, training on flight simulators was actively used and, in general, training in peaceful conditions is different from wartime .

By the way, the 47th bap showed its capabilities in Syria perfectly, which indicates that the retraining was carried out with high quality.

It is difficult to say how much time Ukrainian pilots and technicians have. But the task they will be given is more than difficult: in the shortest possible time to master not just equipment, but imported, which, to put it mildly, is completely different from the one that the Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine uses today.

That is, the activated lend-lease program offers Ukrainian pilots what Pokryshkin and company did in 1942: to transfer from the MiG-3 to the Airacobra as quickly as possible. It will be no less difficult for technicians and engineers, and most likely more. So - it is very doubtful that everything will go smoothly and smoothly.

In addition, it is clearly impossible to train on the territory of Ukraine. As soon as it becomes known that pilots on American planes are being trained somewhere, cruise missiles or something no less harmful will immediately arrive there.

There remains the neutral territory of the same Poland, Romania, Bulgaria, the Czech Republic, and Slovakia. Yes, you can safely train pilots and technicians there, you can make sorties from there without fear of Russian army attacks on airfields.

But whether Ukrainians will have that much time at their disposal is a more important question than many others. And the effectiveness of the use of aircraft due to the now safe border is also in doubt, because it is necessary, for example, to fly from the airfield in Iasi to the places of hostilities, and this is already about 700 km. Considering that the combat radius of the F-16 with external tanks is about 1500 km (and an incomplete combat load), it turns out that half of the distance that the Sokol can fly has already been spent just flying to the scene.

It turns out not a very good alignment: foreign equipment, for which pilots and technicians will be trained in a big hurry (more on the timing below), will be forced to fly half the combat radius under the guns of long-range Russian air defense systems and Russian fighters ...

I doubt that the Ukrainians will be able to repeat the success of the 16th GIAP, in which Pokryshkin served.

In addition, it is worth considering not only the training school for flight personnel. It must be taken into account that the design schools of the USSR and the USA were completely different. This will also add difficulty in mastering the “new” technology, since it is completely clear that the planes are different and you won’t be able to take it off the hook and fly.

And most importantly: unlike the times of the Great Patriotic War, today the Americans are NOT GOING TO supply new equipment.

Yes, being our allies, unlike the British, who shoved us everything that was not good for themselves, the Americans behaved more than nobly. The aircraft were delivered new, provided with spare engines, gearboxes, cannons, machine guns.

Is this possible today? Definitely not.

Seeing the F-16C/D, which have been flying since 1984, on the lists, I realized that this is nothing more than a replacement of an old and almost outdated fleet with a newer one.


In the end, the F-16C / D Block 25 did not fly far from the F-16A / B. This is a very light (12 tons of normal takeoff weight versus 15 for the MiG-29) aircraft capable of maneuverable air combat. It is armed with air-to-air and air-to-surface missiles, you can even use the aircraft as an attack aircraft, equipping it with a 30-mm cannon with a laser rangefinder in the ventral container and bombs, both free-falling and laser-guided. It turned out such a modest front-line support aircraft. Modest - because the armor "was not delivered."

And there is another problem: a unified engine compartment, which allows aircraft to be equipped with both General Electric and Pratt & Whitney engines, which are installed on the F-16 at the choice of the customer. But in practice, the motors are NOT interchangeable in the field, which creates additional problems for the technical staff.

The picture is somewhat different, say, from 1942. At that time, Soviet pilots and technicians were trained in the use of new technology. Tomorrow, Ukrainian pilots and technicians will receive lessons in flying and operating American equipment, which is not even new in principle.

If we draw analogues, we were supplied with such "Hurricanes" by the gentlemen of the British allies. From Africa, who won back their own, even in sandy camouflage. And, as everyone remembers, there was very little sense from these aircraft. And even the heroic efforts of Soviet technicians and engineers could not make normal combat vehicles out of these veterans.

Approximately the same will happen with the “Fighting Falcons”, which the United States will gladly sell to Ukraine.

Questions arise as to who, how and where will teach pilots to fly, and engineers and technicians to maintain and repair these F-16C / D. But the main question is: how long will it take? Moreover, not only in terms of how well or badly certain specialists in American aircraft will prepare Ukrainians, but will Ukrainian specialists have so much time at their disposal?

The answer to this question is more important than the hypothetical ability of the F-16C / D to inflict damage on the Russian army. No, of course, the Falcons are able to inflict damage if competent pilots sit at their controls. If not, everything will be very sad, and in fact, the planes are doomed to one-time actions.

But in the United States, having got rid of old aircraft, they will still receive a profit, since it will be necessary to build new ones in place of the F-16C / D friendly given to Ukraine. Loading their assembly lines is not bad for the military-industrial complex. And, as you know, money for this business will be printed easily and naturally.

So Lend-Lease 2022 is very different from Lend-Lease 1942. Alas, other times and customs. Business, nothing personal.

In Ukraine, it would not be worth hoping so much that with the help of forty-year-old fighters and pilots with express training, they will be able to turn the tide of the war in the air in their favor. It's… somewhat presumptuous.


Unfortunately, the volume has already approached the maximum, so it was decided to transfer the disassembly of armored vehicles with Alexei Kuznetsov to the next article.
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  1. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 5 May 2022 04: 17
    +9
    I agree with Roman, a fighter is not a grenade launcher for you, they haven’t really mastered them, right there in general there is nothing for the Luftensalovaffen to catch.
    1. Snail N9
      Snail N9 5 May 2022 06: 03
      +38
      The author emphasized that in a short time Ukrainian pilots will not be able to master Western aircraft. Well, firstly, why does the author consider deliveries of only American aircraft? The United States may well redeploy themselves or force NATO allies to supply the former Soviet aircraft, which is available in the warehouses of the former Warsaw Pact countries. And secondly, why did the author take it that Ukrainians will fly on American planes? Mercenaries from PMCs or the so-called "volunteers" will fly for good money. The author devoted most of the article to the analogy of the times of the Second World War. Well then, he probably kind of "forgot" other analogies close to that period of time - how did our "volunteers" fly in Spain and China? wink
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 5 May 2022 06: 16
        -10
        Quote: Snail N9
        force NATO allies to supply former Soviet aircraft
        Have you just now gone online? Technique is worn out to the limit.

        Quote: Snail N9
        Mercenaries from PMCs or the so-called "volunteers" will fly for good money.
        With a non-illusory possibility (even a guarantee) to remain in the sky (just kidding, black soil) of Ukraine? For former military pilots in civilian life, the prospects are much more cheerful.


        Quote: Snail N9
        Well then, he probably kind of "forgot" other analogies close to that period of time - how did our "volunteers" fly in Spain and China?
        Which ones are yours? Soviet what? However...
        1. Civil
          Civil 5 May 2022 08: 03
          +15
          For some reason, the author decided that the enemy had no time:
          1. Yes, the enemy is slowly retreating on the Donbass arc, but there are no breakthroughs, the front itself has not collapsed.
          2. The enemy's economy is fully provided by the West. That is, there are no supply problems.
          3. The enemy does not bring in the reserves mobilized after February 24.02.2022, XNUMX, but continues their training and armament.
          4. All the same, after receiving a lend-lease, the enemy is not limited by the number of Fe-16s and the timing of retraining of the flight crew, it has long been said with mechanics that these will be "volunteers", but by the number of pilots in general, which are clearly sooo few. In this connection, the supply of fighters without "volunteer" pilots is meaningless.
          1. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U 5 May 2022 08: 48
            -10
            Quote: Civil
            1. Yes, the enemy is slowly retreating on the Donbass arc, but there are no breakthroughs, the front itself has not collapsed.

            And who breaks through? Actually, the Russian army only took up the Donbass. And do you need breakthroughs for the picture? They reached Kyiv from two directions, and so what.

            Quote: Civil
            2. The enemy's economy is fully provided by the West. That is, there are no supply problems.
            You are confusing the economy with the supply of weapons. This statement.

            Quote: Civil
            3. The enemy does not bring in the reserves mobilized after February 24.02.2022, XNUMX, but continues their training and armament.
            What nonsense. You don't follow events at all, do you?

            Quote: Civil
            but the number of pilots in general, which are clearly sooo few.
            Well, at least it's something real.
            Quote: Civil
            In this connection, the supply of fighters without "volunteer" pilots is meaningless.
            "Volunteers" in quotation marks are they penalized? Or do you believe that someone will send their pilots by order to the air defense of the Russian Federation?
            1. military_cat
              military_cat 5 May 2022 09: 40
              +24
              Headings:
              No panic: lend-lease is not a recipe for victory.
              No panic: there is nothing serious in the supply of arms to Ukraine
              Don't panic, Kiev be Russian!
              Stop panic. Everything will be fine. Victory will be ours

              Are we all right?
              1. Vladimir_2U
                Vladimir_2U 5 May 2022 09: 44
                -1
                Quote: military_cat
                Are we all right?

                I can give you not such headlines, the authors - you know, they are different.
              2. R
                R 5 May 2022 11: 27
                -1
                Are we all right?

                Whose will you be?
              3. flicker
                flicker 5 May 2022 16: 56
                -2
                Are we all right?
                We are fine as long as we have these guys:

                https://t.me/RKadyrov_95/2040

                Panic is the enemy.
          2. ecolog
            ecolog 5 May 2022 13: 26
            +1
            there it has already reached the point of being sent to the front of the defense from ZapUkra. Freshly mobilized 40+ uncles are completely taken prisoner.
            in the place of a not very motivated pilot, I would also go to retrain as a "volunteer" ... you see, and in half a year everything will end.
          3. Negro
            Negro 5 May 2022 15: 40
            0
            Quote: Civil
            In this connection, the supply of fighters without "volunteer" pilots is meaningless.

            Why? Several dozen aircraft with Ukrainian pilots is also quite an interesting option - if rumors about online interaction with NATO intelligence are confirmed. The question is how to protect these aircraft on the ground - if they do not fly on combat missions because of the ribbon (in the style of vacationers in 2014). The option of vacationers has not yet been confirmed.
        2. Serg4545
          Serg4545 5 May 2022 12: 38
          +5
          The author makes sense. But this ruins the picture:
          //But whether Ukrainians will have that much time at their disposal is a more important question than many others. And the effectiveness of the use of aircraft due to the now safe border is also in doubt, because it is necessary, for example, to fly from the airfield in Iasi to the places of hostilities, and this is already about 700 km. //

          If combat sorties are made from the airfields of the Eastern European countries, this means the automatic participation of these countries in the war. And these countries will be hit.
          1. Negro
            Negro 5 May 2022 15: 48
            +1
            Quote: Serg4545
            If combat sorties are made from the airfields of the Eastern European countries, this means the automatic participation of these countries in the war. And these countries will be hit.

            Yes, you are, of course, right. In such scenarios, simply a full-fledged NATO intervention with the removal of all foreign forces on the territory of Ukraine is more reliable. (Let me remind you that the "territory of Ukraine" is not such a simple question).

            Or just a full-scale preventive nuclear strike. They didn’t expect, of course, the zey finest auer, exactly on our shift, but what to be - that cannot be avoided.
          2. Grancer81
            Grancer81 7 May 2022 13: 39
            0
            Ukrainian Su and MiGs are already flying from Romanian airfields...
            1. Serg4545
              Serg4545 7 May 2022 20: 00
              0
              No.
              Do not fly.
              What is your evidence?
              1. Grancer81
                Grancer81 8 May 2022 08: 03
                0
                A modern combat aircraft is a very complex and capricious thing, it requires a lot of attention and maintenance. All the bases of the Ukrainian Luftwaffe are under control and destroyed. And the planes fly.
                1. Serg4545
                  Serg4545 8 May 2022 11: 03
                  0
                  Well, that's not proof.
                  During the "storm in the desert" the Americans seemed to have bombed all of Iraq in a few months. And the Iraqi planes continued to fly. But this does not mean that Iraqi planes took off from airfields in Syria and Israel)
                  1. Grancer81
                    Grancer81 8 May 2022 14: 49
                    0
                    In Northern Iraq, there were shelters in the mountains with direct access to the runway. Ukraine does not have such. And the analysis of the actions of the UkroLuftwaffe and the flight area leads only to Romania. In addition, it is required to provide RTS and simply maintain aircraft.
      2. baik11
        baik11 5 May 2022 08: 53
        +24
        There is also a third.
        Who can guarantee that Ukrainian pilots have NOT been in the US for a fair amount of time and have NOT studied the technique thoroughly? Along with the techs?
        The article gives the impression that the author wanted to belittle the danger of Lend-Lease for Russia at any cost. Hence the attempt to analyze the development of the most complex equipment at once, and inappropriate analogies with the Second World War.
        Meanwhile, lend-lease is a major factor. Not only because it removes almost all supply restrictions. And also the fact that not only weapons will be supplied, we should not forget about it.
        As well as about the conference of 40 countries in Ramstein and about the decision taken there.
        The article is harmful. Instead of seriously discussing the difficulties that have arisen today in connection with the opening of Lend-Lease, the author in every possible way levels out its role. It can't lead to anything good.
        1. Fitter65
          Fitter65 5 May 2022 12: 28
          +4
          Quote from: Baik11
          Who can guarantee that Ukrainian pilots have NOT been in the US for a fair amount of time and have NOT studied the technique thoroughly? Along with the techs?

          Question number 1, where does Ukraine get such a number of trained flight personnel. who can go through retraining? Technical still can and is ... Question No. 2; and who will prepare the airfield infrastructure? The fact that there will be trained ground personnel is good, but where will the equipment come from with which these aircraft will be serviced? The same nitrogen-air-oxygen tanks, APAs, and simple technical specifications, especially our kerosene is not quite suitable for American fighters. So, in addition to those who will serve the aircraft, those who will serve and operate the ground equipment will also be needed. It seems simple. Technicians can be loaded onto an aircraft and transferred to another airfield, following the aircraft, and ground equipment, on their own? With a shortage of fuel, and "calibration"? Even in peacetime, a march of 300 km is at least two days - they prepared the equipment for the march-march - preparation for work after the march, it seems everything is simple, but there are many nuances. By rail is also not an option, even in peacetime it took more time, one loading onto the platforms is worth something, this is again in peacetime. Russia is easier, it does not have to worry about the transfer of service equipment from the airfield to the airfield. Firstly, in Russia this, the same type of standard equipment, is available at all airfields in abundance. What in Ukraine, when switching to Western aircraft, is not and will not be quickly - by rail, everything does not always reach him now. If something is not at the Russian airfield, or there is no jump point, then it is removed from the NZ storage bases and warehouses, as an example today on Russia-24 they showed a story about technicians serving a helicopter squadron, so the Ural tanker, taken from the storage base, lit up there , it stands out from all the equipment with a burnt look. This only says that Russia does not need to carry service equipment from airfield to airfield, it is in abundance, as are specialists. But in Ukraine there will be big problems with this. And even if, God forbid, a part of the Russian airfield equipment fails, then there is something to replace it with, and there is no need to transport it to distant lands. But Ukraine will not have this, and the possibility of losing all this during transportation is very likely. No matter how well the flight and ground personnel are trained for flights and maintenance of Western equipment, but in the absence of simple, at first glance, ground service equipment, all this will be "beer without vodka" ... By the way, as with ground military equipment. You can’t fill the Leopard with a bucket from a barrel - the level is already different ...
          1. Negro
            Negro 5 May 2022 16: 10
            +1
            Quote: Fitter65
            where does Ukraine get such a number of trained flight personnel. who can be retrained?

            In February, Ukraine had about a hundred aircraft, about half of the fighters (MiG-29 and Su-27). Many were faulty, many died on the ground. So several dozen pilots should be found. This is in theory, in practice - who's to say.
            Quote: Fitter65
            who will prepare the airfield infrastructure?

            Yes, with ground infrastructure the main issue. If we talk seriously, then only front-line airfields can be located in Ukraine, so to speak. Refueling and weapons. Full aircraft maintenance in Poland, factory in the Netherlands.

            It’s nonsense about equipment, in terms of basing conditions, the partners always had everything on five. Somewhere they will find a spare set, and not one.
            1. Fitter65
              Fitter65 5 May 2022 16: 56
              +1
              Quote: Negro
              If we talk seriously, then only front-line airfields can be located in Ukraine, so to speak. Refueling and weapons.
              Firstly, according to the rules of the Russian language, not "v", but IN Ukraine. this is the first
              Secondly, what will you use to refuel aircraft at a field airfield, what will be used to service an aircraft that has arrived at this field airfield? Even just to test systems? Have you carefully watched the helicopter field airfield? The only thing I did not see KPMki there. And the same APA, TK, oxygen air vents are present, albeit not in the same volume as on the base, but in the assortment ... As I understood from your comment
              Quote: Negro
              Full aircraft maintenance in Poland, factory in the Netherlands.

              In this case, you don’t understand anything at all, what is pre-flight, post-flight, and other daily maintenance of aircraft.
              Quote: Negro
              It’s nonsense about equipment, in terms of basing conditions, the partners always had everything on five. Somewhere they will find a spare set, and not one.

              It is clear that is nonsense, for them. And for those who have all the airfield services tailored to Soviet standards? I only saw Soviet airfield equipment in the Ukrainian Air Force ... But there is nothing Western, and more than one set is needed, and people are needed who can work on all this. Once again I will explain even the fuel in Western planes is different, where will Ukraine get it? And what will it deliver? It is clear that everything is simple with the great perpetrators, they have already practically defeated Russia, they are already deciding how many parts and with whom to divide it .. It's like in a joke about two sparrows. Winter, sparrows are sitting on the fence in the village, one - now, if I were a millionaire, I would have a grain barn and a swallow in my mistresses, the second - but if I were a millionaire, I would have two barns, one with grain, the second with millet and two swallows ... Then a crow flew by and croaked - Hey millionaires, there is a man on a horse around the corner, fly peck until it cools down. Here is Ukraine now, at the level of those sparrows ...
              1. Negro
                Negro 5 May 2022 20: 19
                +2
                Quote: Fitter65
                pre-flight, post-flight, and other daily maintenance of aircraft.

                We are talking about the same volumes of service that Russian aviation receives outside the points of permanent deployment. In the same RB.
                Quote: Fitter65
                the same APA, TK, oxygen air vents are present, albeit not in the same volume as on the base, but in the assortment ...

                Quote: Fitter65
                even the fuel in Western planes is different, where will Ukraine get it?

                Naturally, all this must be brought, there is nothing to talk about here. How far it is possible to bring, serve and protect against missile strikes is, so to speak, a practical question, not a theoretical one.

                Unless, of course, the very idea of ​​​​delivering aircraft is taken seriously. So far I have not seen any proofs, only chatter.
                1. Fitter65
                  Fitter65 5 May 2022 23: 46
                  0
                  Quote: Negro
                  We are talking about the same volumes of service that Russian aviation receives outside the points of permanent deployment. In the same RB.

                  Only, unlike the Russian Aerospace Forces, where everything has already been worked out, in Ukraine, not only does everything need to be restored, but also to switch to a different standard of service, and on DIFFERENT EQUIPMENT, which I had never even seen before, not to mention the fact that even stroke your hand.
                  Quote: Negro
                  Naturally, all this must be brought, there is nothing to talk about here. How far it is possible to bring, serve and protect against missile strikes is, so to speak, a practical question, not a theoretical one.

                  Well, in normal organizations, at first everything is worked out in theory and then they are already trying to test it in practice. And practice shows on the example of the S-300 from Slovakia ...
                  1. Negro
                    Negro 5 May 2022 23: 55
                    0
                    Quote: Fitter65
                    and on OTHER EQUIPMENT, which I had never even seen before, not to mention the fact that I would even stroke it with my hand.

                    You can stroke this technique in the same Poland, in principle, everything is nearby. You don't even need to travel to the US.
                    Quote: Fitter65
                    shows on the example of the S-300 from Slovakia ...

                    What's wrong with these S-300s?
                    Quote: Fitter65
                    everything is worked out in theory and then they try to test it in practice

                    Well, you see. If this is worked out in theory, then specially trained people who are unlikely to write on this forum.
                    1. Fitter65
                      Fitter65 6 May 2022 00: 05
                      0
                      Quote: Negro
                      What's wrong with these S-300s?

                      Yes, everything seems to be fine with him. he is no longer there.
                      Quote: Negro
                      You can stroke this technique in the same Poland, in principle, everything is nearby. You don't even need to travel to the US.

                      And did many Ukrainian specialists stroke her? Poland is close, only Lviv is far from the border.
                      Quote: Negro
                      Well, you see. If this is worked out in theory, then specially trained people who are unlikely to write on this forum.

                      Well, let's say that when I served, I worked out something similar at my level. That's why I'm trying to explain to you what and how. True, everything is still working out at the level - recruits from Kolomyia were sent to us ...
                      1. Negro
                        Negro 6 May 2022 00: 12
                        0
                        Quote: Fitter65
                        he's gone

                        Is this the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation speaking?
                        Quote: Fitter65
                        And did many Ukrainian specialists stroke her?

                        Who will tell you now? I haven't seen any confirmation from the pilots either.
                        Quote: Fitter65
                        Well, let's say that when I served, I worked out something similar at my level

                        Well, there is someone to work out there. Some strange conversation.

                        Is there such a possibility? It's over.
                        Is there any reliable information that something like this is happening now? No, I personally have not seen such information, only chatter.
                      2. Fitter65
                        Fitter65 6 May 2022 11: 28
                        0
                        Quote: Negro
                        Is this the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation speaking?

                        No, I'm just looking at the "results of his work."
                        Quote: Negro
                        I haven't seen any confirmation from the pilots either.

                        About the fact that they are still available in Ukraine? This is how Ukrainian parodies of kamikaze appear from time to time. Which work at the level took off the chassis removed, catapulted. The same eggs, only the side view will be the F-16, which will be controlled by these parodies. It's like the tough guys with the Javelins. It seems that for every Russian tank and aircraft, 10 sets of anti-tank systems and 5-6 Stingers were supplied and ... In the LPR and DPR, fighters are training to use these imported supplies. Thanks to NATO and Biden for their help...
                        Quote: Negro
                        . Some strange conversation.

                        Well, I'm going to stop it.
          2. Grancer81
            Grancer81 7 May 2022 13: 41
            0
            The service will be provided by "volunteers" from the engineering and technical staff of the Air Forces of those countries where the F-16 is in service.
        2. Dart2027
          Dart2027 5 May 2022 19: 04
          -3
          Quote from: Baik11
          Who can guarantee that Ukrainian pilots have NOT been in the US for a fair amount of time and have NOT studied the technique thoroughly? Along with the techs?
          Such a number of people would certainly light up.
        3. xASPIDx
          xASPIDx 6 May 2022 00: 50
          -2
          In the United States and Canada, there is a huge diaspora of Ukronats and they actively serve in the army. So the problem of finding a couple of hundred pilots who can play NATO litaks is not a fundamental problem.
      3. parma
        parma 5 May 2022 09: 07
        +7
        Quote: Snail N9
        The author emphasized that in a short time Ukrainian pilots will not be able to master Western aircraft. Well, firstly, why does the author consider deliveries of only American aircraft? The United States may well redeploy themselves or force NATO allies to supply the former Soviet aircraft, which is available in the warehouses of the former Warsaw Pact countries. And secondly, why did the author take it that Ukrainians will fly on American planes? Mercenaries from PMCs or the so-called "volunteers" will fly for good money. The author devoted most of the article to the analogy of the times of the Second World War. Well then, he probably kind of "forgot" other analogies close to that period of time - how did our "volunteers" fly in Spain and China? wink

        The author really needs to get acquainted with the mat part ... the US Air Force has long been missing block 25, which he spoke about. Even in the National Guard (consider a mob reserve), the oldest that is, is the modified block 40 (in 17, as far as I remember, a modernization program began to replace avionics and radars). In other words, the oldest thing the United States has is aircraft of the 0s, are they worse than our Su-30SM, which are the domestic analogue of the Su-30MKI, those come from the same 90-00s? Question…
        I don’t think there will be a question with technicians, they can also bring in NATO ones (and indeed there are f-16s even in Venezuela, the most massive aircraft of the 4th generation, after all) during the preparation of the Ukrainians. The question is with the pilots ... who may also not be Ukrainians ... here we also add the superiority of NATO and other intelligence aids (they have flying radars and satellites like fool candy wrappers) ... and air defense will not help - drones and helicopters of Ukraine all the time find loopholes in our air defense and strike at OUR territory ... and Ukraine has only Soviet or simple foreign weapons at the moment ... cruise missiles have not been delivered to them yet, but they can be transferred ... then the air defense will become even worse ...
        Well, for sweets, Ukraine actually has enough time, 2,5 months of the NWO showed that there will be no fall of the current government, we do not have the strength for this. And there is already either peace (whether Ukraine and the West will already agree to terms that are acceptable to us) or the continuation of the protracted conflict ... the supporters of Ukraine have enough material resources for a protracted conflict (of course, these are just numbers, as someone will say, but the West is more than half of the economic power planets, and we won’t get even 2%), but what about us?…
        1. Vladimir_2U
          Vladimir_2U 5 May 2022 09: 15
          -16
          Quote: parma
          and air defense will not help - drones and helicopters of Ukraine all the time find loopholes in our air defense and strike at OUR territory

          Can you give many examples?
          1. aslanxnumx
            aslanxnumx 5 May 2022 09: 34
            +12
            Yes, we have super air defense, but only Belgorod, the Kursk region and the Bryansk region are probably shelled by aliens. You don’t outline every word of Putin there
            1. Vladimir_2U
              Vladimir_2U 5 May 2022 09: 38
              -9
              Quote: aslan642
              Yes, we have super air defense, but only Belgorod, the Kursk region and the Bryansk region are probably shelled by aliens

              Do you propose to repel mortar shelling of border points by air defense forces? Maybe more machine guns?

              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              Can you give many examples?
              I don't see an answer to this.
              1. aslanxnumx
                aslanxnumx 5 May 2022 17: 07
                +6
                Two helicopters bombed Belgorod, then either a plane or a drone, again two more helicopters from which one was shot down upon returning
                1. Vladimir_2U
                  Vladimir_2U 6 May 2022 05: 00
                  -1
                  After April 27th? And we're talking about now!
          2. parma
            parma 5 May 2022 09: 42
            +5
            Quote: Vladimir_2U
            Quote: parma
            and air defense will not help - drones and helicopters of Ukraine all the time find loopholes in our air defense and strike at OUR territory

            Can you give many examples?

            Don't you know? ... from the last confirmed one - on April 27, Ukraine attacked the Belgorod region, the UAV was shot down only on the way back! Then they struck at the Kursk region ...

            Well, here is a map of the Belgorod region with marks of the places of strikes from the Armed Forces of Ukraine ...
            1. Vladimir_2U
              Vladimir_2U 5 May 2022 09: 49
              -14
              On the morning of April 27, the Russian Ministry of Defense announced that during the night Russian air defense systems shot down 18 Ukrainian drones, as well as Tochka-U over the village of Ilyichevka.

              At night and in the morning, residents of the Kursk, Bryansk, Voronezh and Belgorod regions said they saw the work of Russian air defense. Some even managed to film missile launches and their impact on targets in the air.

              Later, the governor of the Kursk region, Roman Starovoit, said that the defense managed to successfully intercept the Ukrainian drone - he did not manage to do any harm.

              Once again, mortar shelling of border air defense points does not reflect. and only completely narrow-minded people can demand this.
              And what is the number today?
              1. parma
                parma 5 May 2022 09: 56
                +4
                Quote: Vladimir_2U
                On the morning of April 27, the Russian Ministry of Defense announced that during the night Russian air defense systems shot down 18 Ukrainian drones, as well as Tochka-U over the village of Ilyichevka.

                At night and in the morning, residents of the Kursk, Bryansk, Voronezh and Belgorod regions said they saw the work of Russian air defense. Some even managed to film missile launches and their impact on targets in the air.

                Later, the governor of the Kursk region, Roman Starovoit, said that the defense managed to successfully intercept the Ukrainian drone - he did not manage to do any harm.

                Once again, mortar shelling of border air defense points does not reflect. and only completely narrow-minded people can demand this.
                And what is the number today?

                Yes, yes, yes, how many Ukrainian drones did our air defense destroy there? It seems already more than Turkey has produced in the series (or do you believe that air defense is working on drones with Ali?) ... and yes, no damage, so claps ... and a fire at an ammunition depot in the Belgorod region (where air defense was shot down by a UAV when trying to LEAVE territory of our country) happened just like that, the chanterelles took the matches… Vladimir, tell me where the promised parade in Kyiv on March 8?… Critical thinking is turned off completely?
                1. Vladimir_2U
                  Vladimir_2U 5 May 2022 10: 12
                  -7
                  Quote: parma
                  Vladimir, tell me where the promised parade in Kyiv on March 8
                  What?! By whom and to whom?
                  Quote: parma
                  Critical thinking turned off completely?
                  And you are writing this after the delirium about the parade in Kyiv?

                  Quote: parma
                  a fire at an ammunition depot in the Belgorod region
                  The work of the RDG and mortar shelling of air defense should be stopped, yeah, everything is clear with you.


                  Quote: parma
                  It seems already more than Turkey has produced in the series (or do you believe that PAO is working on drones with Ali?)
                  If you are not aware that Bayraktars are mentioned separately from other UAVs in reports, then I am not a doctor to you.
                2. Fitter65
                  Fitter65 5 May 2022 13: 00
                  -5
                  Quote: parma
                  tell me where is the promised parade in Kyiv on March 8? ... is critical thinking completely turned off?

                  And who promised a parade in Kyiv on March 8? Please give the full name of the person, and if possible, his statement about this celebration. And about critical thinking, NATO stated that they completely destroyed the air defense of Yugoslavia, which did not have what Russia has. But even in such conditions, the Yugoslavs shot down the F-117 and NATO, by the way, after two months of bombing cities, military and industrial facilities in Yugoslavia, they never launched a ground operation. Russia does not carry out massive bombardments of Ukrainian cities, and slowly conducts a ground operation. As they say, slowly descended from the mountain and began to have the whole herd. Yes, and no one helped Yugoslavia, unlike Ukraine, but at the expense
                  Quote: parma
                  how many Ukrainian drones were destroyed by our air defense? It seems already more than Turkey produced in the series

                  And who told you that there are only Turkish Bayraktars? Turn on critical thinking. After all, not only Turkey produces drones.
              2. parma
                parma 5 May 2022 10: 02
                +3
                Quote: Vladimir_2U
                On the morning of April 27, the Russian Ministry of Defense announced that during the night Russian air defense systems shot down 18 Ukrainian drones, as well as Tochka-U over the village of Ilyichevka.

                At night and in the morning, residents of the Kursk, Bryansk, Voronezh and Belgorod regions said they saw the work of Russian air defense. Some even managed to film missile launches and their impact on targets in the air.

                Later, the governor of the Kursk region, Roman Starovoit, said that the defense managed to successfully intercept the Ukrainian drone - he did not manage to do any harm.

                Once again, mortar shelling of border air defense points does not reflect. and only completely narrow-minded people can demand this.
                And what is the number today?

                And yes, do you want to show how really good air defense / missile defense works with really strong shelling, including mortar rounds? And these are not cartoons, real life ... and not so long ago, in 2021
                1. Vladimir_2U
                  Vladimir_2U 5 May 2022 10: 17
                  -11
                  Quote: parma
                  And yes, do you want to show how really good air defense / missile defense works with really strong shelling, including mortar rounds?
                  Oh, yes, the picture shows a remote border village, a kibbutz near the wall.
                  Have you understood something about the "border"?

                  Although what am I talking about? A person confuses April 27 with May 5.
                  1. parma
                    parma 5 May 2022 11: 53
                    +9
                    Quote: Vladimir_2U
                    Quote: parma
                    And yes, do you want to show how really good air defense / missile defense works with really strong shelling, including mortar rounds?
                    Oh, yes, the picture shows a remote border village, a kibbutz near the wall.
                    Have you understood something about the "border"?

                    Although what am I talking about? A person confuses April 27 with May 5.

                    What is a border village in your understanding? Bedgorod (and the warehouses I wrote about above) is located 30 km from the border with Ukraine. It’s not just a mortar there, not every artillery shell will finish (for example, an acacia with its 152 mm will not finish, hail finishes at the limit of range), and this is from the border itself, in fact, artillery should hit from 40-50-70 km, and from even experimental long-range shells will not reach such a distance ... if 30 km is not enough for you (and this is once again in a straight line from the border itself, and not to the positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine), then apparently this is not a border village in Moscow, but even my native Yekaterinburg ...
                    PS: the meaning of what I wrote is - you are all laughing at the supply of weapons to Ukraine, before that you laughed at the Armed Forces of Ukraine (they say, what’s with all this), and then you deny when we get hit in the face, and not as much physically as morally and image ... if you want to believe in “specific special operations” that will begin before lunch or a little later, about how fast our tanks are and the enemy is almost running, believe ... but then don’t be surprised by the “claps” already somewhere near Sochi or Moscow ... who and what both sides are capable of in 70+ days have already shown ... and we are not yet the 2nd and apparently even the 3rd army of the world (and I'm not talking about the Armed Forces) ...
                    1. Vladimir_2U
                      Vladimir_2U 5 May 2022 12: 04
                      -9
                      Quote: parma
                      Bedgorod (and the warehouses I wrote about above) is located 30 km from the border with Ukraine.

                      Where are the examples of attacks on Belgorod? April 27 has already passed, so where?
                      1. parma
                        parma 5 May 2022 12: 24
                        +5
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        Quote: parma
                        Bedgorod (and the warehouses I wrote about above) is located 30 km from the border with Ukraine.

                        Where are the examples of attacks on Belgorod? April 27 has already passed, so where?

                        Once again, on April 27, this was the last confirmed by OUR MO, at night they heard “pops” in Belgorod, but it seems like the governor claims that these are ours to work in Ukraine. If you think that the UAV strikes on the 27th are a trifle, which was already a week ago, let me remind you that the NVO operation began 2 months ago, and the incapacity of the Ukrainian Air Force was reported 1,5 months ago ...
                        PS: medals have already been handed out for the capture of Mariupol, and the Armed Forces of Ukraine, as in the city, have been sitting and sitting, I’m generally silent about all sorts of popas ...
                      2. Mikhail Maslov
                        Mikhail Maslov 5 May 2022 13: 19
                        +1
                        You don’t know what is happening. On the 27th, the warehouse was attacked and destroyed, at night from 27 to 28 at 2 55-3-00, an airplane flew on the way to the city and fired heat traps, two powerful explosions were heard already outside the city. Whose plane, why he shot the traps is not known.
                      3. Vladimir_2U
                        Vladimir_2U 5 May 2022 13: 26
                        -10
                        Quote: parma
                        PS: medals have already been handed out for the capture of Mariupol, and the Armed Forces of Ukraine, as in the city, have been sitting and sitting, I’m generally silent about all sorts of popas ...

                        Trali wali, where are the attacks on Belgorod after April 27?
                    2. aslanxnumx
                      aslanxnumx 5 May 2022 17: 13
                      +4
                      Under the USSR, the Afghans once fired at one settlement in Tajikistan and then they broke into them so that after the shelling there was no and we express concern
                2. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 5 May 2022 19: 07
                  -4
                  Quote: parma
                  And this is not cartoons, real life

                  This is when the whole world laughed at the hole ... with the iron dome?
            2. Dock1272
              Dock1272 6 May 2022 12: 08
              0
              Well, according to the "data" of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, they have already destroyed 196 aircraft, about a thousand tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, armored personnel carriers, and so on. About 25 thousand of our soldiers were killed. Yesterday, one of the representatives on TV referred to these "data" ... And you seriously believe it? Yes, in 10 years of Afghanistan, about 15 thousand of our soldiers died. And these "cyborgs" and "terminators" "killed" more in a couple of months ....)))
              1. parma
                parma 6 May 2022 13: 30
                +2
                Quote: Doc1272
                Well, according to the "data" of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, they have already destroyed 196 aircraft, about a thousand tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, armored personnel carriers, and so on. About 25 thousand of our soldiers were killed. Yesterday, one of the representatives on TV referred to these "data" ... And you seriously believe it? Yes, in 10 years of Afghanistan, about 15 thousand of our soldiers died. And these "cyborgs" and "terminators" "killed" more in a couple of months ....)))

                I didn't say that I believe in the APU. I do not believe either our MO or the neighbor's. Only those objects are marked on the map, whose defeat of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is confirmed by at least one of our authorities. Regarding losses, that our equipment was burned, there is not much hidden, it is simply not advertised. In terms of personnel losses, I think the figure is somewhere between the estimates of both sides. Moreover, no one ever talked about the losses in the Russian Guard, their tamnets (they are Wagners) or the militias (the militias have huge ones, the militias themselves admit this). Well, regarding the comparison of losses in Afghanistan and now - did the dushmans have a half-million army with armored vehicles, air defense, artillery and aviation? Were there equally fierce battles with a limited contingent?
        2. AllXVahhaB
          AllXVahhaB 5 May 2022 10: 40
          +12
          Quote: parma
          (whether Ukraine and the West will already go to conditions acceptable to us is a question)

          It won't go anymore. They had a panic when ours stood near Kyiv, Zelensky was shaking in the bunker, and in the West no one even thought about any lend-lease. Now the situation has changed. We have lost strategic initiative...
          1. SovAr238A
            SovAr238A 5 May 2022 15: 02
            +7
            Quote: AllXVahhaB
            Quote: parma
            (whether Ukraine and the West will already go to conditions acceptable to us is a question)

            It won't go anymore. They had a panic when ours stood near Kyiv, Zelensky was shaking in the bunker, and in the West no one even thought about any lend-lease. Now the situation has changed. We have lost strategic initiative...


            Everything is a little different.
            When our people went to Kyiv, they got scared.
            and yes, they were shaking - a couple of hours.
            but.
            then they found out that there were no more than 30 thousand of our people in the district.
            And their fear has passed.
            And the withdrawal of our troops from there was an attempt precisely to save our people, because in another couple of days, ours would have been ground to powder there.
            30 thousand for the capture of Kyiv???
            There, under a million militias were only recruited.
            Or do you also think that in 8 years the skakuas did not grow up and did not pass the Donbass?

            In 43, when Kyiv was taken, there were almost 700 thousand soldiers.
            Our losses amounted to just 40 thousand people.
            1. AllXVahhaB
              AllXVahhaB 5 May 2022 16: 39
              +4
              Quote: SovAr238A
              Everything is a little different.
              When our people went to Kyiv, they got scared.
              and yes, they were shaking - a couple of hours.
              but.
              then they found out that there were no more than 30 thousand of our people in the district.
              And their fear has passed.
              And the withdrawal of our troops from there was an attempt precisely to save our people, because in another couple of days, ours would have been ground to powder there.
              30 thousand for the capture of Kyiv???
              There, under a million militias were only recruited.
              Or do you also think that in 8 years the skakuas did not grow up and did not pass the Donbass?

              In 43, when Kyiv was taken, there were almost 700 thousand soldiers.
              Our losses amounted to just 40 thousand people.

              Horseradish radish is not sweeter laughing I don't argue with you. To admit, he himself was somewhat misinformed by propaganda and treated the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the same way as the Armed Forces of Ukraine of the 2014-2015 model. As well as to the mood in Ukrainian society.
              Wow, some people still do this. Adepts of Podolyaks... There are a lot of them here, you can read them yourself... The later the hangover from patriotic frenzy comes, the more painful it will be...
    2. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 5 May 2022 09: 04
      +9
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      I agree with Roman, a fighter is not a grenade launcher for you, they haven’t really mastered them, right there in general there is nothing for the Luftensalovaffen to catch.

      But I want to ask, how long are we going to fight at such a pace? Or will we crush our tits like the Americans in Vietnam? With their total losses of 50 thousand? Let me remind you that after Vietnam, the US army was reformed
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 5 May 2022 09: 33
        -6
        Quote: Pilat2009
        But I want to ask, how long are we going to fight at such a pace? Or will we, like the Americans in Vietnam, crush our boobs?
        Well, in general, it would be cool if they just fell on the ukrotyls, like the Americans in 1965 on North Vietnam.

        Quote: Pilat2009
        Let me remind you that after Vietnam, the US Army was reformed
        Transferred to a contract?

        Refresh your memory of Vietnam.
  2. Tired
    Tired 5 May 2022 04: 20
    +21
    Howbeit. The Biden administration is preparing a bill to transfer $83 billion in military aid to Ukraine. For comparison, according to SIPRI, Russia spent almost $2021 billion on military needs in 62. The new act will allow the US President to independently make decisions on providing Ukraine with modern types of weapons - medium and long-range air defense systems, heavy UAVs ("Reaper" and others) , military aviation, modern armored vehicles, tactical missile systems and much more. In parallel, the flow of mercenaries is increasing and these are thousands of trained specialists. At the same time, at the moment, more than two weeks after the official start of the second phase of the operation, our only success is the approach of part of the forces to Liman. At the same time, the Armed Forces of Ukraine are developing their success near Chuguev and are forcing the Seversky Donets in order to reach the rear of our Donbass group. At the same time, the situation around Transnistria is becoming more and more complicated, and the Polish army is already beating its hoof on the Ukrainian border with might and main

    Russia's prospects will be determined by the speed and quality of decisions to mobilize the economy and the state apparatus, intensify military efforts in Ukraine, while we still have a military advantage in aviation, missile weapons and the concentration of forces in a number of areas.
    The continuation of strange flirting with Ukraine, when the army does not touch the transport, industrial and financial infrastructure, the centers of political and financial management in favor of Russian and Ukrainian capital, can lead Russia to a situation of military catastrophe. The value of time, the pace of change is now becoming critical.
    1. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 5 May 2022 04: 39
      +8
      The United States, having appropriated 300 billion dollars of gold reserves of Russia, will pay with this money for all the wishes of the Nazi regime in Ukraine.
      Regarding Roman's article... what let's look further ... there was a rumor in the media that cadets from Ukrainian Air Force schools were sent for retraining on the F-16.
      Time will tell how realizable the wishes of the Kyiv regime are.
      1. Andrey VOV
        Andrey VOV 5 May 2022 08: 56
        -8
        Ukrainian cadets with a minimum of flying hours, this is a tin ... again, well, not even a month or two will be enough to teach him to FIGHT, and not just fly an airplane.
        1. Negro
          Negro 5 May 2022 16: 19
          0
          In WWII, American pilots on aircraft carriers, of course, had the maximum flight time among newcomers. 400 hours.

          How long will it take to fly 400 hours if there are no restrictions on simulators, aircraft resource, fuel, etc. - how are they not available in the case of training in the United States?

          And who, by the way, knows how to FIGHT in the air in our time? The winners of the banned ISIS?
          1. Andrey VOV
            Andrey VOV 5 May 2022 17: 59
            0
            Our pilots now have a good flight time compared to 90, the Lipetsk center works and buzzes around the clock, so there is no need to drool and bubble about ISIS
            1. Negro
              Negro 5 May 2022 19: 34
              0
              Lipetsk?

              That is, again, training and the question is only in quantity?

              OK. How much do you think a poorly flown Ukrainian pilot needs to fly in America?
              1. Andrey VOV
                Andrey VOV 5 May 2022 19: 56
                -2
                I don’t like your nickname, and I don’t want to communicate with you, accomplice .. Have you even served in the army? Did you get a ramrod in the ass? So go to the woods, damn
                1. Negro
                  Negro 5 May 2022 20: 11
                  +2
                  Great style of discussion, I love it. Good luck.
      2. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 5 May 2022 08: 59
        -6
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        Regarding Roman's article ... let's look further ... there was a rumor in the media that cadets of Ukrainian Air Force schools were sent for retraining on the F-16

        How soon will a cadet become a combat pilot? On any plane!
        There are still three dozen aircraft in 404. There are no pilots.
    2. Andrey Moskvin
      Andrey Moskvin 5 May 2022 06: 09
      +1
      Can you be more specific about "thousands of trained specialists"? So far, only bored adventurers have been seen.
      1. Blackmokona
        Blackmokona 5 May 2022 06: 52
        +2
        Quote: Andrey Moskvin
        Can you be more specific about "thousands of trained specialists"? So far, only bored adventurers have been seen.

        I think the serious guys from BlackWater and other organizations are, firstly, radically more difficult to capture, and secondly, they know what secrecy is and will not continuously show their geolocation by posts on Twitter wink
        Well, thirdly, serious organizations will easily acquire for their soldiers a passport of Ukraine, as well as military tickets, a false biography and other things, so that when captured, they will be an unremarkable gray mass
        1. Negro
          Negro 5 May 2022 16: 28
          +1
          The task of "serious organizations" is not to supply cannon fodder - let TerO deal with this. Their task is to point-to-point add professionals where they are needed - primarily for technically sophisticated weapons. Thus, approaching the front is closer than the range of an artillery shot without the need.
    3. arkadiyssk
      arkadiyssk 5 May 2022 07: 00
      +11
      There is still an important point when you compare the Lend-Lease 83 billion and our 62 billion military budget. Our 62 includes the purchase of new equipment and most of it for the maintenance of troops and property. But 83 billion US dollars, if they go, it will be a purely purchase of equipment and ammunition. So this is a dangerous figure - at the level of 3-4 military budgets of the Russian Federation.
  3. FoBoss_V
    FoBoss_V 5 May 2022 04: 31
    +5
    It's all a no brainer. But there are fears, and very unfounded ones, that NATO equipment on the territory of Ukraine can be controlled by NATO pilots, mechanical drivers, etc. .. Yes, secretly, yes behind the scenes, but very effectively. And there's nothing we can do about it
    1. Nexcom
      Nexcom 5 May 2022 05: 29
      -2
      And there's nothing we can do about it


      I think that our pilots will adequately be able to resist these foreign pieces of iron. Let even the Americans sit there. Yes, it will get harder, harder.
      But we will still win.

      Threat, in addition to the pilots, there is also our air defense .... and there the guys did not come yesterday and not from the village to poke buttons.
  4. smart fellow
    smart fellow 5 May 2022 04: 35
    +13
    The analysis is a little strange.
    F-16C/D Block 25 flew close to F-16A/B. It is very light (12 tons of normal takeoff weight versus 15 for the MiG-29)


    F-16С Block 25
    Combat load - 5638 kg on 9 hardpoints (to the detriment of maneuverability, a load of 9276 kg is possible)
    http://www.airwar.ru/enc/fighter/f16cd.html

    MiG-29
    The combat load: 2180 kg
    https://is.gd/Nf7B4n
    1. Negro
      Negro 5 May 2022 16: 30
      +1
      )))
      Here the main question is missed - what exactly to hang. The MiG-29 is not very good at this, especially the Ukrainian ones. But the F-16 can carry a lot of interesting things.
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  6. AC130 Gunship
    AC130 Gunship 5 May 2022 05: 07
    +12
    I never saw a simple spread of numbers. For example: it will take approximately 2 flight hours to retrain a 29nd class pilot from Mig16 to F50. Ground engineer - 60 hours, AO specialist - 80 hours, etc. The fact that the planes - this is understandable. But here, in fact, no one expects the F16 to take off more than 10 times ...
    1. Nexcom
      Nexcom 5 May 2022 05: 32
      -6
      Are you sure that he will be allowed to take off and land 10 times?
      Or if a foreign piece of iron is everything, immediately a hellish prodigy?
      1. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 5 May 2022 09: 09
        +4
        Quote: Nexcom
        Are you sure that he will be allowed to take off and land 10 times?
        Or if a foreign piece of iron is everything, immediately a hellish prodigy?

        With the delivery of modern missiles to Ukraine, the aircraft will not need to enter the air defense coverage area. How many aircraft did Israel lose in Syria?
        1. Nexcom
          Nexcom 5 May 2022 10: 39
          0
          In general, modern air defense systems do not even need to adjust the complex to the runway itself - they will get it for 200 km (if there is good target tracking). Ukhania is not Israel at all. Both in terms of pilot training and combat experience. So drive them at least some wunderwafer - she still needs to fully learn how to use it. And during the short-term courses of the educational program "takeoff - maneuvered, fired at the target - landing" there is no way to become a pro. hi
          1. Pilat2009
            Pilat2009 5 May 2022 12: 40
            +3
            Quote: Nexcom
            In general, modern air defense systems do not even need to adjust the complex to the runway itself - they will get it for 200 km (if there is good target tracking). Ukhania is not Israel at all. Both in terms of pilot training and combat experience. So drive them at least some wunderwafer - she still needs to fully learn how to use it. And during the short-term courses of the educational program "takeoff - maneuvered, fired at the target - landing" there is no way to become a pro. hi

            We throw hats, yes, yes. What prevents Ukraine from firing modern missiles at our air defense points?
        2. Negro
          Negro 5 May 2022 17: 23
          0
          Quote: Pilat2009
          How many planes did Israel lose in Syria?

          Well, that's a big overkill. But yes, if the Aerospace Forces fights at least with the organizational and informational capabilities of the NATO Air Force - even without fire contact - this will dramatically change the game.
    2. Adrey
      Adrey 5 May 2022 09: 59
      +8
      Quote: AC130 Ganship
      For example: it will take approximately 2 flight hours to retrain a 29nd class pilot from Mig16 to F50. Ground engineer - 60 hours, AO specialist - 80 hours, etc. The fact that the planes - this is understandable. But here, in fact, no one expects the F16 to take off more than 10 times ...

      Yes, there is no need to retrain the technical staff there. They will manage theirs. Base airfields in Poland, jump airfields near Vinnitsa. In the morning we flew at low altitude outside the radar coverage area (our A-50s don’t really see anything). We made a couple of sorties (there is someone to hang the bombs), in the evening for basing and maintenance. Tomorrow another link will go to work this way.
      And there's nothing you can do about it request. Formally, combat missions are not carried out from the territory of Poland. There is no war, there is a special operation, therefore, military equipment and military personnel are not subject to internment request
      1. Nexcom
        Nexcom 5 May 2022 10: 42
        +1
        A-50 of ours can’t really see something

        This is what is amazing....
        1. Adrey
          Adrey 5 May 2022 10: 44
          +1
          Quote: Nexcom
          This is what is amazing....

          There are so many amazing things going on... hi
        2. Mikhail Maslov
          Mikhail Maslov 5 May 2022 13: 22
          -2
          There are and are actively working from our direction
        3. SovAr238A
          SovAr238A 5 May 2022 15: 05
          +6
          Quote: Nexcom
          A-50 of ours can’t really see something

          This is what is amazing....


          What surprises you?
          Here, everyone different from the urya-patriots has been yelling publicly for 5-6 years already that there are no more than 50 pieces left alive in the ranks of the A-6 ...
          And it is not known how many there are now. And what is the performance of the still never modernized radar complex, originally from the 70s ...
      2. Negro
        Negro 5 May 2022 17: 20
        +2
        Better from Romania. From any Yass, the entire right bank is within 500 km. Drive somewhere to Krivoy Rog and work from there as from a jump airfield.
  7. Vadmir
    Vadmir 5 May 2022 05: 43
    +14
    It is difficult to say how much time Ukrainian pilots and technicians have.
    Judging by the speed of advancement of our troops, during the last month, there is a lot of time. Here, as they say, from one extreme to another. First they entered in columns, as if on a march - swiftly. Then they switched to positional warfare in the spirit of the First World War. One can only hope that it will occur to someone to recall the experience of 1944-45. And what is called maneuver warfare.
  8. fiberboard
    fiberboard 5 May 2022 06: 00
    +22
    The Americans will supply aircraft and pilots, engineering staff. Back in early March, many articles wrote that finished thugs-mercenaries would go to Ukraine, and then no more than 500-600 people. And at the first loss, they will scatter. And now there is information that there are already 16000 of them there. Two divisions. This brethren is well trained and psychologically adjusted. The special operation is dragging on, Putin will have to announce a partial mobilization. That will cause great displeasure of the population. There is still no clear and precise answer to the question: What are we fighting for? If for the Russian world, then why didn’t they do it in 2014? They destroyed Bezler, Mozgovoy, Motorola, Givi, Zakharchenko and other commanders of the Donbass, who fought much more successfully than our generals who are fighting now. It must be admitted that our leadership, led by the zeroed one, has lost on all fronts: international, economic, informational. All this muddied in Ukraine was led by some kind of muddy Surkov, who got involved in undercover games. But Surkov and Putin forgot that they were playing with political cheats of the international class, and were played like children.
    1. lianozovomsk1
      lianozovomsk1 5 May 2022 06: 16
      -22
      The people who have been reset to zero are not Putin, but you. Well, if you don't like it here, go to Europe. True, there is a risk of stumbling upon Zhovto-Blakyt brothers. And they, as practice shows, even beat their own. And you're definitely going to have problems with the flare.
      1. fiberboard
        fiberboard 5 May 2022 08: 59
        +15
        You are apparently from the glorious cohort of "Urya-patriots!", But I write what I see and hear. In the spring of 2014, I served at the frontier post. And when the events began in Ukraine, 30 percent expressed an ardent desire to leave as fighters in the database zone. And there were many who went through Afghanistan, Chechnya, Tajikistan. That is, there were personnel capable of fighting successfully with the army that Ukraine had at that time. But our politicians ruined everything, as usual. My friend left for the Donbass in the summer of 2014, after Debaltseve he returned and said that he would not go again, that he had had enough of these bloody stupid games. He said that Kharkov was lying ahead and the demaralized Ukrainian army was running away, but a stop signal came out. And now: a classmate's nephew returned from Ukraine, broke the contract and left. You see, he cannot endure the dirt, blood, death of his comrades. But before that, he had served under a contract for seven years. That is, he was taught, fed, provided for seven years, and when it became necessary, he quit. These have enough. And now they began to invite colleagues who were dismissed for various reasons, often due to service inconsistency, loss of trust, to the military registration and enlistment offices. So when it was peacetime, they didn’t correspond, but how did the war begin, do you wish to fight? Or maybe we should take a closer look at who fired them? Moreover, many of them have Ukrainian surnames and have been serving since Soviet times, immigrants from Ukraine.
      2. AllXVahhaB
        AllXVahhaB 5 May 2022 10: 49
        +7
        Quote from: lianozovomsk1
        The people who have been reset to zero are not Putin, but you. Well, if you don't like it here, go to Europe. True, there is a risk of stumbling upon Zhovto-Blakyt brothers. And they, as practice shows, even beat their own. And you're definitely going to have problems with the flare.

        Michel, why does such a patriot have Anglicisms in his nickname?
        1. lianozovomsk1
          lianozovomsk1 6 May 2022 09: 47
          -1
          I forgot to ask you.
          1. AllXVahhaB
            AllXVahhaB 6 May 2022 10: 16
            0
            Quote from: lianozovomsk1
            I forgot to ask you.

            You screwed it up, of course. How are you posting without asking? Lysoblyudstvo, without demand, is fraught with ...
            1. lianozovomsk1
              lianozovomsk1 6 May 2022 10: 19
              0
              Go roll with grief. Looks like he got stuck in a trench near Severodonetsk.
              1. AllXVahhaB
                AllXVahhaB 6 May 2022 11: 15
                0
                Quote from: lianozovomsk1
                Go roll with grief. Looks like he got stuck in a trench near Severodonetsk.

                What grief? I'm happy that there are:
                1. lianozovomsk1
                  lianozovomsk1 8 May 2022 09: 25
                  0
                  Your autobiography? Didn't know, didn't know.
      3. aslanxnumx
        aslanxnumx 5 May 2022 17: 19
        -1
        I also don’t like zeroed, and what about Europe .. Are you sure about the drawn ratings
        1. lianozovomsk1
          lianozovomsk1 6 May 2022 09: 49
          0
          I'm sure the traitors need to be up against the wall. If you don't like Pu, go say it to his face. instead of hiding in the Caucasus mountains like a rat.
          1. aslanxnumx
            aslanxnumx 6 May 2022 11: 36
            -1
            I don’t need to tell me where to live. I’m a reserve major, I was at war, and I can quickly put me up against the wall. If I don’t like the current president, this doesn’t mean that any trash will yelp. butt is not iron
            1. lianozovomsk1
              lianozovomsk1 8 May 2022 09: 26
              -1
              You are a sheep herder major with sheep in the mountains fighting for any sheep you like.
              1. aslanxnumx
                aslanxnumx 8 May 2022 10: 33
                0
                And what turned into a sheep, a swamp. Do not judge by yourself
                1. lianozovomsk1
                  lianozovomsk1 8 May 2022 10: 46
                  0
                  I'm judging by you, shepherd.
                  1. aslanxnumx
                    aslanxnumx 8 May 2022 13: 37
                    0
                    Yes, the shepherd used to command such as before, but now I’ll poison the dill that was not obtained
                    1. lianozovomsk1
                      lianozovomsk1 9 May 2022 03: 24
                      0
                      Commanding a flock does not mean doing something useful. Does dill grow in the mountains?
                      1. aslanxnumx
                        aslanxnumx 9 May 2022 11: 02
                        0
                        So you are a member of the flock Ukrainian not mined
                      2. lianozovomsk1
                        lianozovomsk1 9 May 2022 12: 43
                        0
                        Well, you seem to be a Hohlokavkaz. Or remained from the time of the Pechenegs?
    2. Vadmir
      Vadmir 5 May 2022 06: 36
      -1
      The special operation is dragging on, Putin will have to announce a partial mobilization.
      It is enough just to use the armed forces to the fullest, regardless of what the West thinks. Without singling out conscripts as a separate kind of soldier who cannot be sent into battle. Without arranging endless "humanitarian" pauses and corridors. And without holding parades throughout the country, using tens of thousands of soldiers for this, hundreds, if not thousands of pieces of military equipment (including the most modern) and more than 400 aircraft (they will not only be busy for 1 day, they have been preparing for parades for more than a month ).
      And finally, moving from the tactical use of BTGs to the use of regiments, brigades and divisions, which can already be assigned operational tasks.
      1. Andrey VOV
        Andrey VOV 5 May 2022 09: 01
        0
        The parades are mostly attended by cadets and students of academies and quite a few from the garrisons of the city, it’s time to know. What, do you want to throw meat? forward and with a song? it’s easier to manage, a person still doesn’t have an opt, life, and even a feeling of fear is different than that of an adult man, he himself went through this and no 18 planes will fly, you’re talking nonsense.
        1. Vadmir
          Vadmir 5 May 2022 10: 50
          +2
          The parades are mainly attended by cadets and students of academies and quite a few from the garrisons of the city, it's time to know this.
          Soldiers of the Tamanskaya and Kantemirovskaya divisions and many others take part in every parade on Red Square.
          What, do you want to throw meat? Forward and with a song? Well, well, in Chechnya at the beginning they went through this
          With skillful command, there will be no meat, but victory. What is the difference between contractor meat? Isn't he sorry? If a person has taken the oath, he is a soldier. It is these conscripts who won the Second World War, in Afghanistan, and in Chechnya too. Russia has always been famous for the fact that it has a people's army, not a hired one.
          and no 400 planes will fly, you are talking nonsense.
          This is not for me, Shoigu said at a recent meeting about more than 400 aircraft preparing for the parade. Don't forget that the parade will take place not only in Moscow.
          1. Andrey VOV
            Andrey VOV 5 May 2022 11: 29
            0
            So read, Marshall his mother ..
        2. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 5 May 2022 13: 49
          +4
          Quote: Andrey VOV
          and no 400 planes will fly, you are talking nonsense.

          Channel One, Russia and Zvezda, citing the website of the Russian Defense Ministry, talk about more than 460 aircraft that will take part in parades throughout the country.
          On Victory Day, military parades will be held in Moscow, St. Petersburg, Smolensk, Tula, Kaliningrad, Voronezh, Rostov-on-Don, Volgograd, Vladikavkaz, Kaspiysk, Stavropol, Sevastopol, Kerch, Simferopol, Novocherkassk, Yekaterinburg, Novosibirsk, Samara, Khabarovsk, Vladivostok, Belogorsk, Chita, Ulan-Ude, Murmansk, Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk, Severomorsk, Novorossiysk and Ussuriysk.

          This year, military parades will include almost 65 thousand people, about 2,4 thousand samples of weapons and military equipment, more than 460 aircraft.

          https://tvzvezda.ru/news/2022542326-k9AZH.html
          1. Foul skeptic
            Foul skeptic 5 May 2022 14: 34
            0
            Scatter the amount on helicopters, also aircraft.
          2. Andrey VOV
            Andrey VOV 5 May 2022 14: 56
            0
            Well, transport workers will fly there, and tankers, a couple of three strategists, mi 8 and 26 helicopters and crocodiles, especially all over the country
      2. N3onMiami
        N3onMiami 5 May 2022 10: 26
        -5
        Of course, it is easier to fight from the couch, giving orders what, to whom and how to do it.
        Themselves something in the Donbass? Are you at war?
        1. Vadmir
          Vadmir 5 May 2022 10: 54
          +6
          Themselves something in the Donbass? Are you at war?
          I'm sorry to ask, but are you really at war?
          I'm already over fifty dollars, so they won't take me to fight. Just a look from the couch. But, like everyone else, I'm entitled to my opinion.
          1. aslanxnumx
            aslanxnumx 5 May 2022 17: 24
            +3
            I am 59 years old, a major in the reserve, a radar specialist. In the first Chechen one in February 1995, I provided flights in Grozny, so then the Su flew for 24 days. In July 1996, the same equipment threshed for 24 hours
      3. AllXVahhaB
        AllXVahhaB 5 May 2022 10: 52
        -3
        Quote: Vadmir
        It is enough just to use the armed forces to the fullest, regardless of what the West thinks.

        Are you already at the front?
        1. Vadmir
          Vadmir 5 May 2022 11: 21
          0
          Are you already at the front?
          And you?
          1. AllXVahhaB
            AllXVahhaB 5 May 2022 12: 03
            +1
            Quote: Vadmir
            And you?

            So I do not urge conscripts to the front to throw. You are bloodthirsty here! And the fact that you are over 50, don’t worry, it’s not over yet. Your turn will come. It's only the beginning...
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 5 May 2022 13: 29
              +4
              Quote: AllXVahhaB
              Your turn will come. It's only the beginning...

              And I want to be in the wagons. Can? laughing I'm also under fifty.
              1. AllXVahhaB
                AllXVahhaB 5 May 2022 14: 19
                +1
                Quote: Mordvin 3
                And I want to be in the wagons. Can? I'm also under fifty.

                You never know who wants what ... Where the Motherland will send! Go to the police...
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 5 May 2022 14: 23
                  +4
                  Quote: AllXVahhaB
                  Go to the police...

                  And for the policemen, I'm old.
                  1. AllXVahhaB
                    AllXVahhaB 5 May 2022 14: 48
                    +1
                    Quote: Mordvin 3
                    And for the policemen, I'm old.

                    You will not be taken to run after people on the street. You will sit and not let go!
                    1. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 5 May 2022 14: 52
                      +1
                      Quote: AllXVahhaB
                      You will not be taken to run after people on the street. You will sit and not let go!

                      Is this a watchman? No I do not want. laughing
                      1. AllXVahhaB
                        AllXVahhaB 5 May 2022 16: 44
                        0
                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        Is this a watchman?

                        Police guard!
    3. Ulad
      Ulad 5 May 2022 08: 22
      0
      Gesheft, however ... There was no smell of politics there, otherwise the results would have been completely different.
    4. vladcub
      vladcub 5 May 2022 08: 31
      +4
      "destroyed: Bezler, Mozgovoy" there is a lot of turbidity: treason is not ruled out. Strelkov hinted that their own were eliminated.
      I do not own such information, but from the point of logic
      If the DRGs roam there wherever they want, what can one say: their MGB are PRESENT!
      1. Andrey VOV
        Andrey VOV 5 May 2022 09: 02
        -3
        You don’t need to talk about Girkin .. would you listen to what they say about him there, those who survived today from those days ..
      2. ecolog
        ecolog 5 May 2022 13: 48
        0
        so Bezler is alive and well
    5. Andrey VOV
      Andrey VOV 5 May 2022 08: 59
      -2
      And why 16 thousand, and not one million one hundred thousand and five hundred? And why are you here, on the site, and not in command of a company or battalion, you are a genius of tactics and strategy, right?
    6. AllXVahhaB
      AllXVahhaB 5 May 2022 10: 47
      +1
      Quote: fiberboard
      All this muddied in Ukraine was led by some kind of muddy Surkov, who got involved in undercover games.

      Rumor has it that Surkov is under house arrest...
  9. Tagan
    Tagan 5 May 2022 06: 13
    -6
    Quote: Tired
    Howbeit. The Biden administration is preparing a bill to transfer $83 billion in military aid to Ukraine. For comparison, according to SIPRI, Russia spent almost $2021 billion on military needs in 62. The new act will allow the US President to independently make decisions on providing Ukraine with modern types of weapons - medium and long-range air defense systems, heavy UAVs ("Reaper" and others) , military aviation, modern armored vehicles, tactical missile systems and much more. In parallel, the flow of mercenaries is increasing and these are thousands of trained specialists. At the same time, at the moment, more than two weeks after the official start of the second phase of the operation, our only success is the approach of part of the forces to Liman. At the same time, the Armed Forces of Ukraine are developing their success near Chuguev and are forcing the Seversky Donets in order to reach the rear of our Donbass group. At the same time, the situation around Transnistria is becoming more and more complicated, and the Polish army is already beating its hoof on the Ukrainian border with might and main

    Russia's prospects will be determined by the speed and quality of decisions to mobilize the economy and the state apparatus, intensify military efforts in Ukraine, while we still have a military advantage in aviation, missile weapons and the concentration of forces in a number of areas.
    The continuation of strange flirting with Ukraine, when the army does not touch the transport, industrial and financial infrastructure, the centers of political and financial management in favor of Russian and Ukrainian capital, can lead Russia to a situation of military catastrophe. The value of time, the pace of change is now becoming critical.

    Not 83 billion, but 33 billion. In America, they understand cuts no worse than in Ukraine. So what will happen in the end is not clear. About medium and long-range air defense. Which ones and who will operate? Heavy UAVs are generally rarely trusted by Americans.
    Who said that they do not touch the transport and industrial infrastructure?
    Drawing tsifiri is not all. These funds still need to be pumped. At the same time, Ukrainians must be able to master new weapons. For this whole armada to work, we need an enhanced and uninterrupted supply of fuel and lubricants and spare parts. This is also a problem. From the list that you described, this is generally from the category of fantasies, the bad guys will get zero point, horseradish tenths.
    1. victor50
      victor50 5 May 2022 07: 43
      +12
      Quote: Tagan
      This is also a problem. From the list that you described, this is generally from the category of fantasies, the bad guys will get zero point, horseradish tenths.

      Soothes ... Just like three months ago, arguments on the topic that we will go through the whole of Ukraine in a week, about flowers, etc. Unfortunately, for many, including those at the top, the ability to think has been replaced by the ability to shout cheers loudly. And it goes by very slowly.
    2. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 5 May 2022 09: 12
      -3
      Quote: Tagan
      Quote: Tired
      Howbeit. The Biden administration is preparing a bill to transfer $83 billion in military aid to Ukraine. For comparison, according to SIPRI, Russia spent almost $2021 billion on military needs in 62. The new act will allow the US President to independently make decisions on providing Ukraine with modern types of weapons - medium and long-range air defense systems, heavy UAVs ("Reaper" and others) , military aviation, modern armored vehicles, tactical missile systems and much more. In parallel, the flow of mercenaries is increasing and these are thousands of trained specialists. At the same time, at the moment, more than two weeks after the official start of the second phase of the operation, our only success is the approach of part of the forces to Liman. At the same time, the Armed Forces of Ukraine are developing their success near Chuguev and are forcing the Seversky Donets in order to reach the rear of our Donbass group. At the same time, the situation around Transnistria is becoming more and more complicated, and the Polish army is already beating its hoof on the Ukrainian border with might and main

      Russia's prospects will be determined by the speed and quality of decisions to mobilize the economy and the state apparatus, intensify military efforts in Ukraine, while we still have a military advantage in aviation, missile weapons and the concentration of forces in a number of areas.
      The continuation of strange flirting with Ukraine, when the army does not touch the transport, industrial and financial infrastructure, the centers of political and financial management in favor of Russian and Ukrainian capital, can lead Russia to a situation of military catastrophe. The value of time, the pace of change is now becoming critical.

      Not 83 billion, but 33 billion. In America, they understand cuts no worse than in Ukraine. So what will happen in the end is not clear. About medium and long-range air defense. Which ones and who will operate? Heavy UAVs are generally rarely trusted by Americans.
      Who said that they do not touch the transport and industrial infrastructure?
      Drawing tsifiri is not all. These funds still need to be pumped. At the same time, Ukrainians must be able to master new weapons. For this whole armada to work, we need an enhanced and uninterrupted supply of fuel and lubricants and spare parts. This is also a problem. From the list that you described, this is generally from the category of fantasies, the bad guys will get zero point, horseradish tenths.

      For heavy UAVs .... Here they can generally be controlled by Americans from abroad
  10. Nexcom
    Nexcom 5 May 2022 06: 26
    +1
    Amer eats a bagel "Viennese" - immediately thought: how is Zelensky?
    In the USA, after all, every John is in love with Square! (with)
  11. Mikhail Maslov
    Mikhail Maslov 5 May 2022 06: 35
    -4
    I am sure that our air defense pilots, even if it’s not a fake, will be able to answer this challenge to maintain air superiority. It has already been written about the story of the pilot of the Armed Forces, how he was shot down. situation from the A-35. Mig-50 of the Armed Forces of Ukraine did not even "see" where it was shot down from. This is one of the episodes.
    1. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 5 May 2022 12: 32
      +4
      Quote: Mikhail Maslov
      I am sure that our air defense pilots, even if it’s not a fake, will be able to answer this challenge to maintain air superiority. It has already been written about the story of the pilot of the Armed Forces, how he was shot down. situation from the A-35. Mig-50 of the Armed Forces of Ukraine did not even "see" where it was shot down from. This is one of the episodes.

      Well, now f16 will receive target designation from avax
  12. Mikhail Maslov
    Mikhail Maslov 5 May 2022 06: 41
    +1
    But the supply of UAVs, it seems to me, is quite real and serious.
    1. vladcub
      vladcub 5 May 2022 08: 16
      +1
      They are so active
      1. Mikhail Maslov
        Mikhail Maslov 5 May 2022 13: 30
        0
        Yes, they do, but they are strategic, they fly only along the borders with rare flights from Poland deep into Ukraine. Think about why to supply the F-16 with a bunch of problems outlined above, if it’s “easier” if possible. And most importantly, more efficient?
  13. Tagan
    Tagan 5 May 2022 06: 54
    -10
    Quote: fiberboard
    The Americans will supply aircraft and pilots, engineering staff. Back in early March, many articles wrote that finished thugs-mercenaries would go to Ukraine, and then no more than 500-600 people. And at the first loss, they will scatter. And now there is information that there are already 16000 of them there. Two divisions. This brethren is well trained and psychologically adjusted. The special operation is dragging on, Putin will have to announce a partial mobilization. That will cause great displeasure of the population. There is still no clear and precise answer to the question: What are we fighting for? If for the Russian world, then why didn’t they do it in 2014? They destroyed Bezler, Mozgovoy, Motorola, Givi, Zakharchenko and other commanders of the Donbass, who fought much more successfully than our generals who are fighting now. It must be admitted that our leadership, led by the zeroed one, lost on all fronts: international, economic, information ...

    Even the "nelohi" are not very partial about the level of training of mercenaries. And it is not yet entirely clear where they have had a noticeable impact in general.
    As for mobilization, it takes place not in Russia for some reason, but in Ukraine, and, in my opinion, the fourth wave has already started. Does it mean anything?
    "What are we fighting for?" Are you fighting? On Facebook, led by the now covered gulffihrer and his ilk? Warrior, damn...
    1. tatra
      tatra 5 May 2022 07: 08
      +12
      Enough hysteria. During these 2 months, the Russian authorities have already changed the "goals" of the NWO 10 times already.
      And the whole tragedy is that neither Putin nor the West with Zelensky want to concede.
      And so it will be "grinding" the Russian and Ukrainian armies of each other practically in one place.
  14. Wildcat
    Wildcat 5 May 2022 07: 06
    +20
    recourse
    It would seem that the SVO is in its third month, and many authors have already ceased to guarantee that the Armed Forces of Ukraine will last for a couple of weeks, and in a couple of months Ukraine will join the Russian Federation,

    But something has changed again, and again you can read that the Armed Forces of Ukraine cannot do something there, which the Armed Forces of other countries can:
    Can the Ukrainian Air Force arrange something similar? Definitely not. The state of the Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine does not differ for the better both in the number of personnel and in quality. This is justified by the unstable financing of the Air Force, which undoubtedly affected the quality of training.

    Why the Armed Forces of Ukraine cannot retrain to F16 is not disclosed in the article, but the Pakistanis and Norwegians did this impossible trick at one time.
    I will allow myself to disagree with the author of the article and assume that if (and this is not a fact request ) a decision will be made to transfer the F16 to Ukraine, in six months the Armed Forces of Ukraine will receive aircraft that can fight. Moreover, in connection with the transition of a number of the Air Force to the F35, the F16 mass in good condition suddenly turned out to be free.
    By the way, it is very good that the author, with references to WWII, gives the terms of retraining (six months), which, in principle, coincide with the current ones (for example, Rafali is also being prepared for half a year in Greece). But this is in peacetime. Now the Armed Forces of Ukraine can and will accelerate.

    And most importantly: unlike the times of the Great Patriotic War, today the Americans are NOT GOING TO supply new equipment.
    Again, with reference to WWII, the author reassures readers that the F16 is not a new technique. I agree with the author! It's good that they don't supply new F35s, which, as you know, fly in Syria, but everything is "outside the area of ​​​​responsibility of air defense." F16 is still not so terrible - 1 (one) managed to shoot down.

    Seeing the F-16C/D, which have been flying since 1984, on the lists, I realized that this is nothing more than a replacement of an old and almost outdated fleet with a newer one.
    It's good that the author remembered the 80s of the twentieth century and F16. You can even remember the year 1981: once on a summer day in 1981, the F16, having flown more than 1600 km, bombed well at a fortified target covered by air defense. And they returned to the base without loss (unfortunately, there was no article on the VO about the Opera operation (there is a lot of incomprehensible things in this Opera), but whoever needs it will find it).
    Curious readers of the Military Review can figure out for themselves where the F16 can fly using "jump airfields", for example, in the Kyiv region in the air-to-ground version with a range of 1600 km.

    In the end, the F-16C / D Block 25 did not fly far from the F-16A / B. This is a very light (12 tons of normal takeoff weight versus 15 for the MiG-29) aircraft capable of maneuverable air combat. It is armed with air-to-air and air-to-surface missiles, you can even use the aircraft as an attack aircraft, equipping it with a 30-mm cannon with a laser rangefinder in the ventral container and bombs, both free-falling and laser-guided. It turned out such a modest front-line support aircraft. Modest - because the armor "was not delivered."

    Armor, of course, was not delivered ... just now few people come up with the idea "use the aircraft as an attack aircraft, equipping it with a 30-mm cannon with a laser rangefinder in the ventral container and bombs, both free-falling and laser-guided". F16, not the latest series, for example Bulgarian, look like this: "four single-seat F-16C fighters and four double F-16D. According to the notice, the delivery will include .... 11 Northrop Grumman AN / APG-83 Scalable Agile Beam Radars (SABR) airborne radars with AFAR; four Lockheed Martin AN / AAQ-33 Sniper target designation pods; 39 air-to-air guided missiles (19 AIM-120C-7/C-8 AMRAAM and 20 AIM-9X Block II Sidewinder); 52 sets of guided bombs (28 GBU-39/B SDB, 12 GBU-38 JDAM or GBU-54 Laser JDAM, and Paveway II EGBU-49), and other equipment."
    But the fact that armor, already unguided bombs, "was not delivered."
    And "ordinary" guided weapons are used outside the air defense coverage area, for example, guided aerial bombs are dropped somewhere 15 miles from the target.

    hypothetical capabilities of the F-16C / D to damage the Russian army. No, of course, the Falcons are able to inflict damage if competent pilots sit at their controls
    Hypothetically, F16s should conduct air combat with the support of AWACS. But so far, for the Armed Forces of Ukraine, such a bunch is more from the realm of fantasy. So "hit-and-run" and strike missions seem more realistic.

    Brief summary: in the coming months, IMHO, we will not see the F16 in the "livery" of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
    And in the coming weeks, artillery, MLRS and infantry will "decide", IMHO. Ukraine has a problem with the Air Force "in general", but we, IMHO, do not use more "cast iron" on the scale of February-March (at least not visible).
    But if the NWO continues, we will see many more unexpected things.
    As residents of the city of Belgorod.
    1. Andrey VOV
      Andrey VOV 5 May 2022 09: 05
      -14
      Are you a resident of Belgorod?
      1. Wildcat
        Wildcat 5 May 2022 09: 24
        +7
        You. Try asking: "Are you a resident of Belgorod?"
        1. Andrey VOV
          Andrey VOV 5 May 2022 09: 31
          -8
          And what does not suit you?
          1. Wildcat
            Wildcat 5 May 2022 09: 36
            +6
            Somehow it didn't work out. request
            With someone on "you" and closer, with someone on "you" and away.
            1. Andrey VOV
              Andrey VOV 5 May 2022 09: 40
              -4
              Well, how do you say
    2. EvilLion
      EvilLion 5 May 2022 12: 56
      -8
      In six months, Ukraine may end even without the destruction of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

      Stories about strikes at 1600 km are, of course, very interesting. In the end, it is possible to refuel in the air (oh, the APU does not have tankers, and will not, but it is possible from a similar aircraft, if there is equipment). It is possible, like the Jews with their terrorist attacks on Iranian nuclear reactors, to sit and think over one raid for a month. But what does this have to do with the ongoing war? And where will you fly from? From the territory of NATO countries? Do you even imagine that a plane takes off from a NATO airfield and strikes, or tries to strike at Russian troops? EVERYTHING, this is war.
      1. SovAr238A
        SovAr238A 5 May 2022 15: 10
        +12
        Quote: EvilLion
        In six months, Ukraine may end even without the destruction of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

        Stories about strikes at 1600 km are, of course, very interesting. In the end, it is possible to refuel in the air (oh, the APU does not have tankers, and will not, but it is possible from a similar aircraft, if there is equipment). It is possible, like the Jews with their terrorist attacks on Iranian nuclear reactors, to sit and think over one raid for a month. But what does this have to do with the ongoing war? And where will you fly from? From the territory of NATO countries? Do you even imagine that a plane takes off from a NATO airfield and strikes, or tries to strike at Russian troops? EVERYTHING, this is war.


        Russia may end in six months.
        For if Ukraine survives these six months with Western money, it will be fatal for us!
        The war must be stopped within the next 3 months.

        Any longer, we'll be exhausted.
        The economy will not endure the transfer to martial law.
        The people will not accept mobilization unambiguously.
      2. Wildcat
        Wildcat 5 May 2022 15: 57
        +1
        hi
        Wait and see.

        F16 or something else of the fourth generation, if there is, then not in those quantities to do something seriously, for example, "close the sky." Yes, there may be serious problems, such as "long-range raids" or "Turkish attack on the Su24", but this is not fatal.

        It is much worse that there is artillery, MLRS, intelligence support (and in planning one feels not the style of a "combat hopak", but "this is how we in NATO planned to stop the USSR"), drones and logistics.

        "Keep with infantry" (the same TRO - "cheap and cheerful") and "hit with long-range weapons" are very painful tactics in terms of losses.

        There is, of course, hope that the Armed Forces of Ukraine on Leo1 / T72 and Marder / BMP1-2 (in the style of the respected Liam) will collectively be killed in counterattacks somewhere near Izyum, Mariupol, Nikolaev or Kharkov in the near future, but we are unlikely to be so lucky.
        Art / MLRS and infantry will work "until melted". Moreover, it seems that infantry with portable weapons will go into counterattacks, as near Kharkov.
        And in the summer it can be much tougher.

        We'll live and see.
    3. Negro
      Negro 5 May 2022 17: 34
      +4
      Quote: Wildcat
      But for the time being, for the Armed Forces of Ukraine, such a connection is more from the realm of fantasy.

      This is how the damned NATO will say. Nothing interferes with NATO's work over the sea and Romania, and not so little can be closed from the sea and Romania. In fact, everything except the Donbass itself. Talk about connecting Ukrainians to NATO intelligence is very active, as far as they have reason - God knows. But the move is pretty obvious.
      Quote: Wildcat
      for example, in the area of ​​Kyiv

      Why only Kyiv? At the moment, and Kharkov, for example.
      Quote: Wildcat
      As residents of the city of Belgorod

      To be honest, completely different cities already come to mind.
      1. Wildcat
        Wildcat 6 May 2022 02: 13
        0
        To be honest, completely different cities already come to mind.
        Maybe, if not 09.05, then by 22.06 or by the date of reaching the border of the LDNR, the NWO will end?
        Although the question, of course, is interesting - what will happen after the NWO?
  15. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 5 May 2022 07: 08
    -5
    hi The author did not take into account one more point. Studying on foreign territory is fraught with the fact that many cockroaches will run away to "freedom". request
    1. Negro
      Negro 5 May 2022 17: 39
      +5
      Will the Ukrainians flee? Somewhere I already saw it.
  16. Monar
    Monar 5 May 2022 07: 09
    +7
    Thank. It was interesting to read.
    But here
    in inch metric
    it hurts the eye. Like salt with sugar? :)
    Here is either an inch system of measures. Or metric.
  17. Tagan
    Tagan 5 May 2022 07: 36
    -6
    Quote: Wildcat
    ...
    But if the NWO continues, we will see many more unexpected things.
    As residents of the city of Belgorod.

    "Unexpected" could be seen since 2014. The Rostov region, for example, was repeatedly attacked and sabotaged by the Ukrofascists. So you are late.
  18. surok1
    surok1 5 May 2022 07: 53
    -6
    "There remains the neutral territory of the same Poland, Romania, Bulgaria, the Czech Republic, Slovakia. Yes, pilots and technicians can be safely trained there, flights can be made from there without fear of Russian army attacks on airfields."
    That is unlikely. laughing Not afraid, yeah
  19. Two
    Two 5 May 2022 07: 58
    0
    Let's just wait for developments! Assumptions, of course, have a place to be, but these are assumptions ...
  20. Tagan
    Tagan 5 May 2022 08: 09
    -7
    Quote: victor50

    Soothes ... Just like three months ago, arguments on the topic that we will go through the whole of Ukraine in a week, about flowers, etc. Unfortunately, for many, including those at the top, the ability to think has been replaced by the ability to shout cheers loudly. And it goes by very slowly.

    Yes, it’s clear that maybe it’s not very soothing, but it’s too early to smear snot too. Victory comes with patience, blood and sweat. Everyone wants today and now, but this does not happen.
  21. ycuce234-san
    ycuce234-san 5 May 2022 08: 10
    +7
    Western aircraft pilots have long been in the ranks of numerous Western PMCs, such as the Airborne Tactical Advantage Company. Here they can appear very quickly (just pay, pay, pay - money) and these are extremely professional veterans of Western aviation. It is possible that PMCs also have pvoshniks to work with Western mobile complexes, and after the conflict they will definitely be, since they have already understood that serious air defense will be a very profitable item of services and are already looking for orders and specialists.
    And then the problem of owning the sky will only get worse, since in the coming years such companies will be equipped with real air armies of thousands of penny drones with MANPADS suspensions, operating mostly almost exclusively in automatic mode and not needing a large number of operators and little dependent on the human factor; similar ground robotic launchers.
  22. vladcub
    vladcub 5 May 2022 08: 12
    +2
    "as close as possible to the author's text" here nuances arise: a) "Know yourself in battle" as the author called it and should be called, but changing the name is not entirely ethical.
    b) questions arise: why the name of the regiment commander has been changed. How right?
  23. Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 5 May 2022 08: 26
    -9
    I can guess what Lend-Lease will be like: they will allocate a couple of billions for it, they will arrange the delivery of weapons on paper, they will take 10 percent, the difference will be divided by Biden’s son and Zelebobik with his gang in the proportion of 80 to 20, everything that is not delivered will be written off as a blow to the VKS, before this informing where the already delivered is stored.
    And in terms of weapons, everything is simple: in order to learn how to shoot from the M16, you need 2 weeks, a couple of years for an air defense system or an aircraft, a tank for at least a couple of months, self-propelled guns for half a year. Of course, you can speed it up, but those more specialists will turn out.
  24. mmaxx
    mmaxx 5 May 2022 08: 33
    +9
    Oh well...
    Pugachev (I think) said that the F-16 is a very simple and convenient aircraft for the pilot. And the fact that it is simple and easy to maintain was told to me by people who saw it inside. And they were engaged just in the maintenance of our aircraft.
  25. vladcub
    vladcub 5 May 2022 08: 39
    -5
    Comrades, I agree with Roman only in one thing: the devil is not as terrible as he is painted. So with the F-16, every bolt has its own tricky thread.
  26. mmaxx
    mmaxx 5 May 2022 08: 39
    +4
    And further. It is doubtful that European and other F-16s have inch gauges. The aircraft is built for the customer and the instruments in it are normal, metric. If they are delivered to countries with such a system of measures.
  27. Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 5 May 2022 08: 54
    -4
    What can I say, even if our and Western small arms require training, study, and so on and so forth, how many anti-tank weapons are abandoned just because they didn’t really teach the military how to use it, and then there are planes, tanks, and so on , moreover, the most important factor is the flight hours of the remaining Ukrainian pilots .. in this case, Roman’s article is balanced and I liked the cool relationship with that Lend-Lease using the Pokryshkin regiment as an example.
  28. Maks1995
    Maks1995 5 May 2022 09: 32
    -1
    In any case, the military-industrial complex of the countries of the West and the governments win.
    Up to two times, sometimes the military budget is planned to be quickly raised.
    And a little something - like ours, you know, Z ....
  29. Alexey Nikolaevich_2
    Alexey Nikolaevich_2 5 May 2022 09: 41
    0
    Quote: Vladimir_2U
    You are confusing the economy with the supply of weapons. This statement.

    so it seems they promised just 5 billion each purely for the work of the state not for service
  30. Tagan
    Tagan 5 May 2022 09: 42
    -3
    Quote: Pilat2009

    For heavy UAVs .... Here they can generally be controlled by Americans from abroad

    Actually, no, otherwise it would mean direct involvement in the US military operations against Russia, and not through a proxy, as is being done now.
    1. Negro
      Negro 5 May 2022 17: 42
      +2
      What a horror.

      That is, do you think that these operators should be taken part-time in PMCs, so that without being pale? Or just how to hire an individual entrepreneur under an employment contract? And how will you check the entry in the American work book?
  31. Dick
    Dick 5 May 2022 09: 44
    +4
    The author covered the topic well. However, he led us away from today's reality. Lend-lease now is F-16 to airfields in Romania and Poland, where they will be served by competent and trained overseas specialists, and American "proxy" and "vacationers" will fly. That's all. Although, of course, Ukrainian pilots will be trained in parallel, at the same bases, by the same "proxy" and "vacationers".
    That's why the clown Ze asks to hold out "until July"
    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion 5 May 2022 10: 06
      -7
      After that, there will be a note from the Foreign Ministry first, and then strikes on the territories of Poland and Romania, and no Article 5 of NATO will save them. Otherwise, you can send a division on "Abrams" and tell that the blackest black loaders, who do not have a word in Russian, are the most Ukrainian lads.
  32. EvilLion
    EvilLion 5 May 2022 10: 03
    -6
    No one will check the pilots in the cockpit of the Fu-16, the appearance of such aircraft will be perceived as NATO aggression against the Russian Federation.
    1. Negro
      Negro 5 May 2022 17: 01
      +3
      the appearance of such aircraft will be perceived as NATO aggression against the Russian Federation.

      Well, let yourself. Who cares? Look, Solovyov almost personally picks out a whole English general from under Azovstal, NATO commands the Nazis there. And then there are some planes.
  33. Cowbra
    Cowbra 5 May 2022 10: 06
    0
    ... especially when you consider that the WWII lend-lease actually started after the battle of Moscow, when the peak was passed. And the Lend-Lease-22 order was signed on January 19 - a month and a half before the start of the database.
    Some strange lend-lease. BEFORE military operations.
    “January 19, 2022 - the Senate read it twice and passed it to the Committee on Foreign Relations,” the minutes of the bill on the website of the US Congress read.

    https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/3522/all-info
    1. Negro
      Negro 5 May 2022 16: 58
      +7
      Well, the Americans ran in at the end of November, that a mahach is planned. I confess, I did not believe them - but in vain.
  34. KSVK
    KSVK 5 May 2022 10: 13
    +2
    which worked in the inch metric system.

    I'm sorry, author, but the system is either metric or imperial, which you call "inch". Not together. hi
    Although no, there are original designs. For example, in some optical sights, reticles are in mils, and corrections are in arc minutes. Very handy considering that a mil equals 3,448 arc minutes. wassat
  35. demiurg
    demiurg 5 May 2022 10: 40
    -2
    Why does anyone think that a falcon / abrams / other prodigy will appear now, and something will change?
    Ukraine had 800 + tanks, and a lot of T-64BVs, which are by no means worse than the supplied Polish T-72s. There were one and a half hundred aircraft, and in the duel of the Su-27 against the F-16, with an equal quality of pilots, I would put block 40 on the Su-27. The same can be said about artillery, air defense and front-line aviation.

    You can train / retrain new ones if a rich sponsor adjusts the technique. Only the result is nothing. A good example of such training is the Arab-Israeli wars.
  36. loha
    loha 5 May 2022 11: 00
    0
    "The task of the instrument engineers in general was simply cool: to ensure the translation and correct calibration of instruments that worked in the inch metric system." small error, SI or metric, or inch SI (system of measurements) In the USA, SI inch ...
  37. Wbond
    Wbond 5 May 2022 11: 01
    0
    So Lend-Lease 2022 is very different from Lend-Lease 1942. Alas, other times and customs. Business, nothing personal.


    ... they are trying to hide behind a beautiful wording and memory ...
  38. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 5 May 2022 11: 06
    +9
    "And the technique has become more complicated. Switching from the MiG-29 to a seemingly classmate F-16C / D is much more difficult than from the MiG-3 to the R-39" ///
    ----
    In the 90s, when Russia and the United States were friends, there was an exchange of
    experience, including training flights on friendly aircraft
    country.
    Russian pilots flew F-15s, American pilots flew Su-27s.
    There was just a brief briefing with an interpreter:
    where-what main device and features in flight.
    Done, no one crashed. They made turns.
    Landings were clear.
    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion 5 May 2022 12: 37
      -5
      For some reason, only a lieutenant from the school, even after training for a specific type, no one will send into battle. How many combat-ready pilots did the ukroVVS have is another question. And the sorties were most likely made by them, after which they either died in the sky, or ejected with various consequences, from captivity to frequent injuries during ejection. And what about friendly flights, the best ones flew on both sides, all maneuvers were at safe heights, and no one set tasks for real combat use.
    2. Aleks2048
      Aleks2048 5 May 2022 13: 08
      -3
      Done, no one crashed. They made turns.
      Landings were clear.

      Here, of course, you go a little too far, one thing is flight, another thing is the use of various modes of operation of combat systems and weapons. I think there are a lot of features, otherwise, without any problems, a pilot from a maize can be pushed into any plane and hope that everything will be, if not excellent, then at least good.
      1. victor50
        victor50 5 May 2022 21: 37
        0
        Quote: Alex2048
        Here, of course, you go a little too far, one thing is flight, another thing is the use of various modes of operation of combat systems and weapons.

        Well, after all, it’s not after a brief briefing that they are released into battle.
      2. Essex62
        Essex62 6 May 2022 01: 21
        0
        Quote: Alex2048
        Done, no one crashed. They made turns.
        Landings were clear.

        Here, of course, you go a little too far, one thing is flight, another thing is the use of various modes of operation of combat systems and weapons. I think there are a lot of features, otherwise, without any problems, a pilot from a maize can be pushed into any plane and hope that everything will be, if not excellent, then at least good.

        A pilot trained in the "algorithm of air combat" will master the cockpit of a new combat aircraft, with proper instruction, quite quickly. Further honing to automatism will go. Once they were able to take off, maneuver, sit down, they will be able to use weapons.
    3. Negro
      Negro 5 May 2022 16: 53
      +4
      )))
      Separately, the author's reasoning delivers that Ukrainians do not understand English, and converting instruments to the metric system presents some kind of technical problem - for an aircraft that was produced at the Fokker plant in the Netherlands.
  39. loha
    loha 5 May 2022 11: 09
    0
    And yet, the photo of the cabin of the moment 29 belongs to the moment 29cmt RF. Ukrainian planes are much older, there were several modernized by Israel, and even then not to such a level
  40. bandabas
    bandabas 5 May 2022 11: 38
    0
    The question is, how many qualified pilots and technicians are left? They are not grown in garden beds. The same applies to other VUSam. Starting with an ordinary motorized rifleman. Let's keep going...
    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion 5 May 2022 12: 43
      -4
      The question is how many of them were originally, it is possible that the number of actually combat-ready fighter pilots did not exceed a dozen. I don’t remember something, that the ukroVVS, which are rather rather big by the standards of Europe, flew 100+ hours per pilot. Moreover, I’m not sure that they even wanted to invest in fighter aircraft, because in the event of a collision with Russia, it had no chance in any case, but in the case of an invasion of the Donbass, the Su-24 and Su- 25.
  41. Aleks2048
    Aleks2048 5 May 2022 12: 46
    +4
    It’s not a question at all to push an airplane through the western border of Ukraine, and at least a squadron, so our air defense won’t see anything. Even to me, far from aviation, this is obvious. To save technology, you need to make it even easier. In the evening, f16 take off from Poland or another NATO country and fly without weapons (although it is possible with it) to an airfield in Ukraine (the western part of Ukraine is there for rearmament (if necessary) and refueling, and in the morning (or even better in the evening) so that the whole world I saw, in addition to the Russian Federation (you can even call journalists), take-off from the Ukrainian airfield, performing combat missions and returning past the same Ukrainian airfields (under the cover of a new evening group flying to the Ukrainian airfield) to the territory of any of the NATO countries, where the aircraft can receive any maintenance at least from a representative of the manufacturer. Yes, it is somewhat expensive in terms of fuel ... You can put mercenaries at the controls of the f16. Use 10-15 different airfields to jump on the territory of Ukraine and voila, the issue will be resolved. In order not to risk the fact that non-Ukrainian pilots can be banned leave f16 the territory controlled by the Armed Forces of Ukraine and then even if the plane is shot down from the crash site, it will be possible to collect not only the pilot (his remains?), but at least the whole plane. And then the question is how many planes the Russian Federation will be ready to lose before our aviation stops working in Ukraine, and then the defense of the Russian territory itself will become a problem.
    By the way, this whole special operation no longer just smells, but stinks of “agreement”. Okay, the Russian Federation, hiding behind the fact that it does not want to harm civilians, does not really conduct military operations. Although I see that it would become even with Zhukov, even with Konev, and with any other during the Second World War, if they told for almost a month how, with absolute superiority in manpower, artillery and aviation, they cannot liberate the territory of some factory! And do not talk about the catacombs under the Azovstal plant. After all, this is a factory and was not originally planned as a Monergame line. They keep the people of the Russian Federation for fools. On the other hand, Ukraine is also not at war. The main forces of the Russian Federation in the Donbass, that is, in the east of Ukraine, but what prevents Ukraine from delivering concentrated fire strikes on the border regions of the Russian Federation, initially the same drones open the air defense positions, after which Tochka-U or sabotage groups strike at them and strike at any objects in the opened breach on the territory of the Russian Federation. It is possible to send ground forces into the gaps that have opened. But none of this is even close ... But there are flights of individual and, accordingly, successfully shot down missiles and drones. What is this at all?!
    Hence the conclusion suggests itself about the "agreement".
    And given the experience of Azov, I’m afraid to even think about what will happen when large cities with a metro network are taken there, that our troops will be stuck in general for a millennium? Or how will it be?
    1. aslanxnumx
      aslanxnumx 9 May 2022 10: 53
      0
      Tactics of army aviation in 1995 in Chechnya. In the morning, departure from Mozdok, strikes, landing in Grozny, refueling and testing, in the evening back to Mozdok. Mi 26 was dragged every morning by a tanker
  42. byv4ly
    byv4ly 5 May 2022 12: 53
    +5
    The author, unlike the Americans, does not understand that what is happening in Ukraine is not for one year
  43. Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 5 May 2022 13: 12
    +1
    In principle, I agree with the author, in terms of the qualitative development of a number of supplied materiel, we also have a form of two months. In the first month, the RF SO knocked out a significant (most) part of the military aviation of Ukraine, so let's assume that a month later, when the dust and panic subsided, the front began to stabilize in places, the equipment dropped out (along with part of the specialists), and the other part of the specialists remained - at the top "there" there is a full bouquet of motivation in order to send these people to study and relearn. Under ideal conditions, of course. You can even set not a month, but a month and a half. The decision has arrived, we have agreed with Western partners who needs to leave - all the same, not such a monumental question, because in Poland-Czech Republic-Canada there are both training and people who can explain to people "not from the plow" how to fly the F-16. Since then, a month has passed - I believe that figures like "it takes half a year to retrain" is too thick, you need to understand that the main piloting techniques are known to the contingent, their task is to study materiel and weapons in a generally time-consuming environment and under conditions abundant access to mat. parts (because I don’t think that the West will spare resources for training). I dare to assume that from the launch of such retraining and until the relative suitability of a specialist, 3-4 months will pass. One of which, I remind you, has already passed since all this could have begun. In total, according to the most optimistic estimates, 2-3 months remain before these people with equipment get to the front. That is, it will be mid-July-August.
    If by this time the Russian Federation does not advance radically, all this can complicate the task ..
    1. aslanxnumx
      aslanxnumx 9 May 2022 10: 56
      0
      You don’t forget about the population of Ukraine. Data about our troops are thrown off by cell phones. Balakliya - ours entered without a fight, concentrated at the plant and then hit with artillery and a sniper.
  44. Bogatyrev
    Bogatyrev 5 May 2022 13: 27
    +6
    Basically, too rosy.
    All maintenance can be done on Polish bases by extremely competent specialists. It already removes half of the problems.
    They do not have to fly at full range. Most likely, they will use the tactics of surprise attacks on the front-line aviation of the Russian Federation from jump airfields. And there are still plenty of these airfields - read from Rybar. And from there, a certain number of the remaining aircraft and UAVs work. What prevents cars from being transferred there on a jump along a safe route calculated by the Americans and suddenly used against Russian aircraft operating in the sky on the principle of an air ambush, which American intelligence will detect? The Americans have perfectly developed such tactics and undoubtedly they will teach ZSU pilots to use it.
    Bottom line - they can make it quite difficult to use front-line aviation.
    They can. If we do not take effective countermeasures. And if we hope that "they won't succeed," then things are bad. Yes. That's bad.
    1. Negro
      Negro 5 May 2022 16: 46
      0
      The ambush idea is rich, but the strike capabilities of the F-16 are of much more interest. But ambushes can also be done by air defense if it is possible to establish a full-fledged exchange of information with NATO facilities.
  45. Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 5 May 2022 13: 38
    +6
    There is only one episode, but what, after all, it was Levchenko who was the commander of the detachment of ships received under Lend-Lease from the British in 1944.

    The SF ships received from Britain and the USA in 1944 had nothing to do with Lend-Lease. It was a pledge for the ships of the Italian fleet, which the USSR was supposed to receive after its partition.
  46. donavi49
    donavi49 5 May 2022 13: 51
    +14
    1) There are no plans to supply Western-type aircraft yet. This is expensive - that is, the conditional 10 F-16s will gobble up one and a half lard of the budget (because it is necessary to train missiles, bombs, and train) and they will not work for these one and a half lard.
    2) Lend-Lease works effectively in a war of attrition. And one more thing - lend-lease is not only supplies, it is also an industry outside the country. For example, Czech and Bulgarian defense companies have already officially confirmed the provision of repair facilities.
    3) The main directions of supply now:
    1) Artillery - it is easy to deliver, it is relatively cheap, in total about 200 self-propelled and towed 155 mm howitzers and under 200k shells have already been assembled. Also, calculations with the required VUS on the mobilization wave are trained quickly. There is already a video of the first calculations of boom tests on the M777.
    2) MLRS - again, easy to deploy, effective in the current war, quickly train mobilization crews with the necessary VUS.
    3) Armored vehicles:
    a) To ensure sufficient mobility and maneuver of forces in the reserve corps (4 cadre brigades, now deployed) and replenish losses in the line units. Here come the BMP, M113, Dutch and Danish variations of the M113, piranhas, etc.
    b) To ensure shock capabilities, everything is still bad here. The German T-72Ms, as expected, turned out to be scrap metal, for 20 years of unattended storage. M84 and T-72M1 Czech more or less. The best are the T-72M1R from Poland, because the 3rd generation thermal imager Asteria, modern communications, digitalization.

    Ordinary T-72M1 from Poland also turned out to be in good technical condition, because they were in reserve with scheduled maintenance.
    4) Infantry weapons. The mass of various anti-tank systems, MANPADS and riflemen. Ammo. Thermal imaging sights and binoculars. Encrypted communication. Well, etc. All this makes it possible to maintain high combat stability of units and requires minimal training. It's one thing to go into battle with Mosinka, like DPR mobs, and another thing with normal weapons and anti-tank weapons. Again, judging by the tiktok from the positions - if not 10 grenade launchers for each tank, then 4-5 AT-4 / Matador / Panzerfaust3 / NLAVA for each grenade launcher.
    5) UAVs of various types. Starting from small reconnaissance, ending with shock and loitering ammunition. The Armed Forces of Ukraine have been actively working with drones since 2014, each platoon has its own Maviks or JIs. Therefore, training on more serious machines does not cause any particular difficulties. Also, such UAVs are easily delivered and it is almost impossible to destroy a serious batch.

    The expected next wave of deliveries, which will probably start preparing in May:
    1) Brimstone light tactical missiles on a wheeled chassis. Special revision for Ukraine. The first batch will be delivered in May according to Boris Johnson. In fact, this is an improved Hellfire.
    2) More serious air defense systems. Which? Not named yet. There are reports that future Ukrainian master instructors are already being trained on these systems. Again, even if it is some kind of Roland or Asrad, this will already seriously strengthen the air defense of the Armed Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. I'm not talking about more modern ones.
    3) RCC - now there are a lot of rumors about types and training. So far, nothing concrete, but even today there was already news that anti-ship missiles are being asked for and will probably be received. Let me remind you what thread Harpoon with a command center from GlobalHok may well strike at ships near Sevastopol in a passive mode.

    There are no aircraft (outside of MiGs from Slovakia / Poland) so far even in discussions and rumors.
    1. Negro
      Negro 5 May 2022 16: 44
      +2
      Well laid out, thanks. One clarification - back in March, it was briefly announced by one of the big Americans that Ukrainians were being trained in the United States. Then I was immediately surprised what they could be taught in the USA, to drag such a distance? There are few options - either 36 genders, or aviation. Nothing else seems to fit.
      1. donavi49
        donavi49 5 May 2022 17: 51
        +6
        Yes, a lot of things can be:
        1) UAV. Again, the new Phoenixes were actually created taking into account the experience of the first application for Ukraine. And now they are working on it further. In the format of small platoon scouts, loitering shells, there is a significant resource for revision / change in the shortest possible time.
        2) Guns and escaliburs. It's pointless to shoot shells for 120k dollars without serious preparation.
        3) Himars/M270.
        4) Systems for exchanging information with Americans in real time. So that the conditional Globalhawk could give the command center to the battery of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, bypassing the entire bureaucracy.
        5) air defense / anti-ship missiles. Again, now there are actually two main messages - give SD air defense, and not just MANPADS / Starstreaks, well, serious anti-ship missiles.
        1. Negro
          Negro 5 May 2022 18: 42
          +3
          Yes, but almost all of this is in Europe. However, let's wait and see.
    2. Wildcat
      Wildcat 6 May 2022 01: 43
      +2
      hi
      I agree with almost everything
      2) More serious air defense systems. Which? Not named yet. There are reports that future Ukrainian master instructors are already being trained on these systems. Again, even if it is some kind of Roland or Asrad, this will already seriously strengthen the air defense of the Armed Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. I'm not talking about more modern ones.
      IMHO, Wiesels with stingers and / or Avengers from the USA with the same stingers will go to air defense from Germany. Due to the presence of more effective sights than the human eye, and the control system exchange will try to increase the probability of hitting targets.

      Perhaps the Mistrals will still be brought (from France or the same Baltic states). It is strange that RBS70 is not visible.

      Perhaps a certain number of Shiloks, including those upgraded with MANPADS, from Poland and other countries. And Cheetahs (it would be logically Romanian, but hardly).

      Medium-long range is unclear.
      The British can give KAMM "like relatives".
      Rolands or Crotali - hardly. The same Germany insists that weapons understandable to Ukraine (we read - Soviet) go to Ukraine, and Germany will sell or temporarily relocate its own for replacement. Same for NASAMS and MICA.

      Israel could - but we have not yet touched Israel very much. And it seems that the VVP question of the name of Lavrov CAM closed on the phone where necessary.

      3) Armored vehicles:
      it is strange that it is not visible from new deliveries in significant volumes at LBS. IMHO, they still cherish and will apply concentrated, which is not good for us.

      Aviation is not even planned to supply the Western type. This is expensive - that is, the conditional 10 F-16s will gobble up one and a half lard of the budget (for it is necessary to train missiles, bombs, and train) and they will not work for these one and a half lard.
      - while the Soviet MIGs are being assembled in Ukraine, and in a month or two it will be visible. There are many F16s on the market, and they can give them.
      1. Negro
        Negro 6 May 2022 02: 48
        +2
        Quote: Wildcat
        IMHO, Wiesels with stingers and / or Avengers from the USA with the same stingers will go to air defense from Germany.

        You are guided by the air defense of the battlefield. But if we talk about more decisive goals - and they are actively talked about - we need to drag full-fledged systems so that at least one or two "fortresses" are protected from the KR, and preferably the Iskanders. The issue of the Iskanders can also be resolved politically, by having a heart-to-heart talk with one mustache there, but this is a separate issue.
        Quote: Wildcat
        The same Germany insists that weapons understandable to Ukraine go to Ukraine

        Firstly, Scholz's opinion changes twice a day, and secondly, his card is no longer a trump card.
        That is, of course, it’s not that I was sure that patriots with nasams would appear. But now there can be no reverse certainty either.
        Quote: Wildcat
        it is strange that it is not visible from new deliveries in significant volumes at LBS.

        Still early. And frankly, not everyone reports to us what is happening on the LBS.
        Quote: Wildcat
        F16 on the market a lot, they can give

        They can, especially since the figure of 1.5 yards for 10 cars is frankly crazy. A used falcon costs 20-30 million, consumables and ammunition will be allocated as needed, and not for 30 years at once, there may be a unique offer for the preparation and maintenance of aircraft. Again, this is just empty talk. The peculiarity of aviation is that it cannot be taken and sent like this in two days, like the same T-72. It really takes at least a few months of work by a huge number of people for some benefit to come out - the author of the article is right about this.
        Quote: Wildcat
        or will the NWO end by the date of reaching the border of the LDNR?

        Uh-uh ... To be honest, I didn't mean it at all.
        1. Wildcat
          Wildcat 6 May 2022 03: 26
          0
          about more decisive goals - and they are actively talked about - it is already necessary to drag full-featured systems so that at least one or two "fortresses" are protected from the KR, and preferably the Iskanders.
          - "decisive goals" - they are like communism for the communists - a guideline in harsh everyday life, and not reality. And while IMHO, nothing decisive is visible. Till.
          To be honest, I didn't mean it at all.
          If we survive, we will see.
        2. Liam
          Liam 6 May 2022 04: 23
          -1
          Quote: Negro
          The issue of the Iskanders can also be resolved politically

          Or you can supply MGM-140 and explored online. This will be faster and more efficient
          1. Negro
            Negro 6 May 2022 07: 07
            +1
            Yes, this is an interesting option. But you need to keep in mind that a guided bomb (cast iron with a guide kit) costs, EMNIP, the first tens of thousands. One operational missile costs under 3M for the delivery of a 500-pound warhead over a distance of 270 kilometers. With such prices, you know, a 30-million Falcon with its load of 10 tons fights off in one flight. 4 times fights back. And the possibilities that it gives are fundamentally different.
            1. Liam
              Liam 6 May 2022 07: 20
              -1
              The cost of the infrastructure and logistics behind the falcon's departure probably exceeds a multiple of the cost of the complex's missile. But the main argument is time. The falcon is still very far away. And the training of personnel and the delivery of the Falcon is much faster and easier from all points of view. role. Not only against Iskanders. What are the distances to the airfields of Belgorod, Voronezh, Rostov and Crimea from Ukraine?
              1. Negro
                Negro 6 May 2022 07: 43
                +1
                Quote: Liam
                What are the distances to the airfields of Belgorod, Voronezh, Rostov and Crimea from Ukraine?

                Gave such a certificate in one branch.
                .To be more precise, from the positions of the parties today, missiles block 4 (which are 300 km) can be obtained:
                Most of the Crimea (not including the Kerch Peninsula and the bridge, but including Sevastopol).
                The entire M-4 highway from Voronezh to Pavlovskaya - including Rostov-on-Don.
                Kursk, Orel, Kaluga, Smolensk.
                Belarus - the entire territory south of Minsk and Minsk itself.

                To hit more distant objects, such as Moscow, missiles with a range of 500 km or more are required. Western partners are not very interested in such things (they have aviation), but in principle you can get such things in many places. Even the Yemeni homeless, who are not a state at all, but it is not clear who, have converted Scuds (aka Elbrus). Ukraine, by the way, cut its systems of this class under Yushchenko.

                By the way, that time I was mistaken, the bridge can be obtained from Zaporozhye, if you really want to. And there are missiles for 500 km, not in service, but on tests at Lockheed.
                Quote: Liam
                But the main argument is time. The falcon is still very far away

                I would reformulate. The question is whether Ukraine and its allies are ready to afford such an investment of time and money so that aviation can pay off. That is, how their side sees the third, fourth and further stages of demilitarization and denazification, a special military operation. If the tasks are ambitious enough, then even thousands of MGMs are not enough for them.

                Although I, of course, do not dissuade from MGM. Every vegetable has its time.
                1. Liam
                  Liam 6 May 2022 13: 44
                  -1
                  Quote: Negro
                  how their side sees the third, fourth and further stages of demilitarization and denazification, a special military operation.

                  Well, the statements of the highest military and political circles of the United States, NATO, the EU and others are quite clear - a military defeat on the territory of Ukraine and the zeroing of the military potential to a level that makes it impossible to repeat such adventures in the foreseeable future. Both goals are achieved primarily by ensuring Ukraine's military at least parity. Ramstein is the cornerstone in this regard. They got down to business thoroughly. No more improvisations, but planning - what, how much and when to deliver. And the allocated resources immediately increased by an order of magnitude. Only the USA immediately switched from 3 yards in two months to a package of 30 yards .
                  1. Wildcat
                    Wildcat 6 May 2022 14: 59
                    0
                    at least parity .... Only the United States from 3 yards in two months immediately switched to a package of 30 yards.
                    Parity for 30 yards can only be if Louis Vuitton masters the 30 yard budget. Well, if art and BC are carried to it by planes.
                    The problem is that money does not immediately turn into a weapon, but IMHO, this problem can be solved in the foreseeable future.
                    1. Liam
                      Liam 6 May 2022 15: 32
                      -1
                      Quote: Wildcat
                      Parity for 30 yards

                      30 yards is only the first package under Lend Lease and only the USA. There were 40 states in Ramstein, not only the USA. And not only the EU and not only NATO. Although this would be enough.
                      Quote: Wildcat
                      money does not immediately turn into a weapon,

                      And who said that this is a matter of a few days? We are talking about many months (in terms of military defeat) and even years (in terms of resetting the military potential). The flywheel is only spinning.
                      1. Wildcat
                        Wildcat 6 May 2022 15: 56
                        0
                        And who said that this is a matter of a few days? We are talking about many months (in terms of military defeat) and even years (in terms of resetting the military potential). The flywheel is only spinning.

                        Well, so good, in terms of time estimates: since the attack race "200 reservists in 000 brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine" is canceled for the time being, politicians can still come up with something.

                        But I doubt that any option with politicians is now possible.

                        While the "second stage", while there is still equipment in storage, again, Severodonetsk is another "shverpunkt". In general, at first all possible options and dates will be sorted out by the military (and this is not fast, and another question is whether the "vigorous loaf" on both sides will be "uncovered" in the "struggle for the cause of peace"), politicians will then "go into action."
                        I almost forgot, we still need time to sort things out in the triangle "politicians - military - special services" (disclaimer - the military will lose).
                        And the same in / in Ukraine.

                        So, as Plato used to say, "Only the dead have seen the end of the NWO."
                      2. Liam
                        Liam 6 May 2022 16: 20
                        0
                        Quote: Wildcat
                        200 reservists in 000 brigades

                        And who said that it’s cancelled?Strategic offensives with boilers by introducing disparate BTGs per hour at a teaspoon, this is the diocese of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. The results of which we are seeing. And the hundreds of tanks, hundreds of howitzers, thousands of kamikaze drones and much more already delivered by the West to Ukrainians are somehow not particularly shown at the front. Only minimal batches for plugging holes. The bulk of the deep rear still.
                      3. Wildcat
                        Wildcat 6 May 2022 16: 49
                        +1
                        And the hundreds of tanks, hundreds of howitzers, thousands of kamikaze drones already delivered to the Ukrainians by the West, and much more are not particularly shown at the front. Only minimal batches for plugging holes. The bulk are still in the deep rear.
                        this is what worries me. However, it is one thing to "catch the columns", and another thing - to conduct the offensive ourselves. We'll live and see.

                        Who said it's cancelled?
                        ...hm. The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation are looking forward to it, it is more convenient to "play for defense".

                        is being coordinated in new brigades armed with lend-lease ... and not with one pistol for three
                        laughing a long time ago, when there was snow on the street, and there was no lend-lease, I wrote in our discussion that there were just enough pistols from the Czech Republic for 30 people. winked There were no other weapons in sight.
                        Now there is no snow, but there is lend-lease. what
                        And if everything is clear with wearable weapons - there are not just a lot of them, there are a lot of them, they already find them in every OP, from PC3 to Javelins - then with heavy weapons is a question. Deliveries, IMHO, in some way cover the losses, but the sources of Soviet technology have already been almost all selected.
                        There is one more source - the USA and its reserves, from Abrams, Bradley to F16 - now if this is uncovered, it will not be fun at all. But so far it doesn't seem like it, IMHO Western partners are giving Ukraine enough for defense, but not enough for "(in terms of military defeat) and even .. (in terms of nullifying military potential)". Let it be for now.
                      4. Liam
                        Liam 6 May 2022 18: 08
                        -1
                        Quote: Wildcat
                        it's one thing to "catch the columns", and another thing - to conduct an offensive ourselves. We'll live and see.

                        I strongly doubt that the Armed Forces of Ukraine will repeat the Russian experience of attacking in columns without flanks and rears)
                        Quote: Wildcat
                        The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation are looking forward to it, it is more convenient to "play for defense".

                        The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation have so far shown us that they are still playing according to the rules of 44-45 years - tank breakthroughs in columns. The whole world watched in amazement at such an advanced method of warfare in February-March 2022 !!!. And the results too. April, we observe the progressive tactics of the 1st World War with the gnaw through of prepared defense lines at a rate of 100 meters a day. So it won’t be long before the Macedonian phalanx is reached.

                        Let's see what they surprise in defense. Although goodwill gesture from near Kyiv, Chernigov and Sumy, as it were, hints that everything is not cloudless with defense

                        Quote: Wildcat
                        a long time ago,

                        My exorbitant CSF tells me that smart people understood where the barrel was rolling even when the March snow was falling)
                        Quote: Wildcat
                        Deliveries, IMHO, in some way cover the losses, but the sources of Soviet technology have already been almost all selected.

                        ))) Only howitzers announced in the press, under 300 pieces. This is if there were 6 full-fledged artillery brigades. Before the war, the Armed Forces of Ukraine had 3 such brigades, it seems ...
                        Quote: Wildcat
                        Let it be for now.

                        Dashing trouble is the beginning)
                  2. Negro
                    Negro 6 May 2022 18: 26
                    +3
                    You see, I am not a supporter of either hatred, or conspiracy theories, or Machiavellianism.
                    Quote: Liam
                    switched to a package of 30 yards.

                    You can fall in love with any money.
                    Quote: Liam
                    ensuring Ukraine's military at least parity.

                    I will believe in the sanity of the APU when I see it. 2,5 months of continuous miserable, bloody disgrace.
                    Quote: Liam
                    statements of the highest military and political circles of the USA, NATO, EU

                    To declare is not to roll bags.
                    Quote: Liam
                    zeroing the military potential to a level that makes it impossible to repeat such adventures in the foreseeable future

                    To achieve some historically significant success, you need a political genius, which was not noticed in sleepy Joe even in his best years. And his best years are long gone. If somewhere there was 10% of the necessary strength and wisdom for such outs, then all this simply could not begin. So the most likely outcome of a special military operation is something as pathetic and foul as possible for everyone involved.
                    1. Liam
                      Liam 6 May 2022 20: 25
                      -1
                      Quote: Negro
                      need political genius

                      ))) And who, excuse me, opposes decrepit Joe? Did Macedonsky and Napoleon ... we all enjoyed the pre-war meeting of the Politburo and saw the level of collective intelligence ... the picture was certainly impressive

                      By the way ... you can’t refuse Sleepy Joe what in what and in the sense of trolling ... the Lendliz law will be signed on May 9

                      1. Negro
                        Negro 7 May 2022 03: 31
                        +2
                        Quote: Liam
                        who, sorry, opposes decrepit Joe? Is Macedonian with Napoleon

                        Alzheimer. And with overwhelming advantage.
                        Quote: Liam
                        enjoyed the pre-war meeting of the Politburo

                        This reconstruction is not of the Politburo, of course, but of a matinee in a kindergarten, when everyone climbs a stool in turn and reads a poem, has nothing to do with the state of affairs.
                        Quote: Liam
                        you can’t refuse Sleepy Joe’s sense of trolling ... the Lendliz law will be signed on May 9

                        It's unlikely he's fading at all. But maybe someone from the DB apparatus was pinned.
                      2. Liam
                        Liam 7 May 2022 08: 47
                        -1
                        Quote: Negro
                        alzheimer

                        You won’t please) .. let me remind you that World War II was won by a paraplegic with an alcoholic
                        Quote: Negro
                        has nothing to do with the state of affairs.

                        Is there also a secret Politburo in which genius is genius?
                      3. Negro
                        Negro 7 May 2022 09: 37
                        +1
                        Quote: Liam
                        secret Politburo in which genius for genius?

                        I do not see any hint of genius in what is happening.
                        Quote: Liam
                        that World War II was won by a paraplegic with an alcoholic

                        Uh-uh. It’s better not to raise the topic of WWII, personally Churchill and especially Roosevelt with me - I have a lot to say about it.
                        However, I note that Churchill was sometimes sober, Roosevelt sometimes figured something out (how to do some kind of abomination), and the current ones ...
                        What Hitlers, such Churchills.
                      4. Engineer
                        Engineer 8 May 2022 18: 07
                        +1
                        Quote: Negro
                        It’s better not to raise the topic of WWII, personally Churchill and especially Roosevelt with me - I have a lot to say about it.

                        Something vaguely betrayed a Soviet intelligence officer in Stirlitz ....))
                      5. Negro
                        Negro 8 May 2022 20: 36
                        +1
                        I'm not naughty, I'm not touching anyone, I'm fixing the primus
                      6. Engineer
                        Engineer 8 May 2022 22: 30
                        +1
                        Until the summer at least hold out without pranks?
                      7. Negro
                        Negro 8 May 2022 22: 58
                        +2
                        My pranks are mostly on Twitter, but it’s not at all a fact that I will come here. As a rule, I do not see anything that requires my comments.
                      8. Engineer
                        Engineer 8 May 2022 23: 14
                        0
                        It's a pity, but here it's just a panopticon.
                      9. Negro
                        Negro 8 May 2022 23: 50
                        +2
                        ))) Well, except for the sake of you and Liam.
                      10. Liam
                        Liam 9 May 2022 00: 40
                        0
                        Thank you, of course ... but I will soon be kicked out of here completely. As a representative of the enemy bloc)
                      11. Liam
                        Liam 9 May 2022 00: 42
                        0
                        Welcome hi People like you, our common interlocutor and a few others on this site make us believe that not everything is lost for the nation)
                      12. Engineer
                        Engineer 9 May 2022 08: 01
                        +2
                        Hi!
                        We are internal enemies and they have already promised to deal with us at all levels)
                        The mind, honor and conscience of the era is, for example, Roman Skomorokhov. Today will sniff out sedition in Moscow
  47. acetophenone
    acetophenone 5 May 2022 14: 11
    -3
    Quote: BlackMokona
    Well, thirdly, serious organizations will easily acquire for their soldiers a passport of Ukraine, as well as military tickets, a false biography and other things, so that when captured, they will be an unremarkable gray mass

    And in Russian and Ukrainian with the characteristic speech features of the place for which the documents were issued, will they also be taught to speak in a couple of months? You really don’t put our special services in anything, do you? fool
    Does the word "shibboleth" mean anything to you?
    1. Foul skeptic
      Foul skeptic 5 May 2022 14: 40
      +4
      The point here is not that, due to the inability to speak Russian / Ukrainian, representatives of NATO military structures will be identified. And the fact that after receiving passports and military cards of Ukraine, the opportunity to fasten the direct participation of NATO disappears.
  48. Sfurei
    Sfurei 5 May 2022 14: 49
    -3
    Roman, thanks for the article! Very balanced and on the shelves!
  49. Osipov9391
    Osipov9391 5 May 2022 15: 12
    +4
    The author does not take into account such very important things:
    Even old F-16s with a small remaining resource can pose a very great danger simply because they are carriers of various kinds of missiles such as the Harpoon and AGM-158 anti-ship missiles. The latter can fly 980 km!!!
    It is very serious.
    Europe is full of former pilots who know this aircraft. They go to war for money.
    Highways will be used instead of airfields.
    1. 3danimal
      3danimal 8 May 2022 05: 01
      0
      And the F-16s can also use the HARM missile defense system (a threat to air defense systems), AIM-120 air-to-air missiles with ARL seeker (will equalize the possibility of conducting air combat out of line of sight).
  50. flicker
    flicker 5 May 2022 16: 46
    -5
    No panic: lend-lease is not a recipe for victory.
    And who has panic? request

    The West (which is at war with us in Ukraine at the hands of the Ukrainians) has been flooded with weapons. Weapons are something that the West will never run out of.
    The problem of the West is in another resource.
    It's in the warriors.
    As soon as those Ukrainians who want to fight run out, the need for weapons will immediately disappear.

    There are weapons, there are stoned Ukrainians - there is a war.

    There are weapons, but there are no more stoned ukrov (only sane Ukrainians remained) - There is no WAR!

    The problem is not in weapons - the problem is in the minds of Ukrainians.