Kyiv has strengthened the security of the Beskydy Tunnel, which ensures the supply of weapons to Ukraine from Central Europe

Ukraine has strengthened the security of the Beskydy Tunnel, which provides railroad deliveries of weapons, equipment and fuels and lubricants from Central Europe to Ukraine. In Kyiv, they fear that Russia will strike at the facility.

According to available information, the decision to strengthen the protection of the Beskydy Tunnel was made under pressure from Britain, whose intelligence reported on Russia's alleged plans to launch a series of strikes on railway tracks, tunnels and bridges in order to cut Ukraine off from Europe, thereby cutting off supply lines by rail.

According to a number of Russian and not only Telegram channels, Kyiv has significantly strengthened air defense in the area of ​​​​the Beskid tunnel by placing additional anti-aircraft systems. Of course, there are no details, the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine does not want to share its plans.

The Beskydy tunnel connects the Transcarpathian and Lviv regions and runs right along the Beskydy ridge. The tunnel is located between the Beskid station (Lviv region, Prykarpattya) and the Skotarskoe station (Transcarpathian region). In addition, it is part of an international transport corridor that connects Italy, Slovenia, Slovakia, Hungary and extends through Ukraine to Russia and further east.

The tunnel was built back in the days of Austria-Hungary in 1886 under Emperor Franz Joseph I, during the Great Patriotic War it was damaged during the retreat of the Hungarians, restored in 1946 and modernized in 1956. From the very beginning of construction and until 2018, the Beskydy tunnel was single track. Work on the construction of the second track began in 2007 and lasted until 2018, when the then President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko solemnly opened the second double-track tunnel, dug three dozen meters from the first.

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[Saboteur_Navy]

It is strange that it is still intact, this is the key tunnel from Lviv.
We need to destroy it immediately!

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Saboteur_Navy

It is strange that it is still intact, this is the key tunnel from Lviv.

How many "Calibers" do you need to mix it with g ... runt?

And the second question, which follows from the first one, will they tell me this number in the news on TV tonight or tomorrow morning?

If they don’t tell me in a week, I’ll be the first and loudest of all in everything IN I will start yelling like Malchish-Kibalchish-TREASON!!!!

[dauria]

How many "Calibers" do you need to mix it with g ... runt?

The warhead of the "caliber" is too small, it's enough just to lay down the entrance of the "Khrushchev" to the basement. It will not even break through any concrete point. For "calibers" the choice of "worthy" targets is too small. This is a fixed target, which can be taken with a FAB-500 or smaller aircraft high-explosive. Provided that sending planes there is "unprofitable" due to losses, or unrealistic due to range.
So it turns out that all 2000 spent missiles (as they say) will replace 300 sorties. Or 10 BShU by the forces of the regiment. A drop in the sea.

[Blacksmith 55]

Near the tunnel there is a bridge across the gorge, it is easier to destroy it. To restore it for months of work.

[alystan]

And bridges in general, everything should be demolished to hell.
And not only near this tunnel.
What to pull with this question, it is not clear!? The need for immediate and cardinal removal of a purulent ukronaryv is long overdue!

[abrakadabre]

What to pull with this question, it is not clear!? The need for immediate and radical

This need was ripe in the first hours of the start of the special operation.

[vlad106]

Kyiv has strengthened the security of the Beskydy tunnel, which ensures the supply of weapons to Ukraine

Quote: alystan

And bridges in general, everything should be demolished to hell.
And not only near this tunnel.
What to pull with this question, it is not clear!?

At the end of February it was necessary to deal with this issue.

[Sergey Kuzmin]

"Next to the tunnel there is a bridge across the gorge, it's easier to destroy it. To restore it for months of work." There are many options on how to paralyze the auto-railway communication. It is only important to start doing it systematically. You can simply destroy the railway track and electrical pylons ... and when the recovery train arrives at this place for repair work, disable this recovery train. There will be a traffic jam. They will send more equipment for restoration - and destroy it ... in a word - fill up the road with scrap metal and prevent it from being dismantled, inflicting constant blows on the arriving repair equipment.

[Flooding]

through the Beskydy tunnel of the railway. goes from Ivano-Frankivsk to Hungary.
however, there is a eurotrack from Romania, as far as I remember

The main arms supplies come from Poland.
So there is no need to spend money on the tunnel.
Especially since bridges are a much easier target.

PS
I forgot about Chop to Slovakia
also on this thread
turns out Hungary and Slovakia

[militarist63]

Dear, along the way, you have a very poor idea of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbwhat you are writing about!

through the Beskydy tunnel of the railway. goes from Ivano-Frankivsk to Hungary.
however, there is a eurotrack from Romania, as far as I remember

I don’t know what you remember there ... but through the Beskydy tunnel of the railway. goes from Lvov through Stryi to Chop (where there are branches to Hungary and Slovakia)! And this is the main (direct) electrified highway! Ivano-Frankivsk is generally on the sidelines ... To leave I-Frankivsk, where the railways are not electrified, to this highway, to the same Stryi, you need to smell through a stump-deck (through Morshyn or Khodorov) ...
And about Romania ... All OK. the branches between Romania and Transcarpathia have been fucked up there for a long time (after the collapse of the CMEA and the USSR)! And so, once, there it was possible
and not circling all over Transcarpathia, so that the Beskid mentioned can get to that Volovets Pass ..., it could have been easier - in the southeast of Transcarpathia there was a railway. (now rusty) from Romania to Rakhiv, and then (working railway) through Yasenya - Voronenko straight to Ivano-Frankivsk ...

[Flooding]

Quote: militarist63

Dear, along the way, you have a very poor idea of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbwhat you are writing about!

slow down a bit, dear

put Lvov instead of I.-F. and that is all.
you could finish your educational program.

which clearly follows from the attached map
this is the only and main mistake

the point of my comment was that the main arms supplies do not come from Slovakia and Hungary

Quote: militarist63

All railway the branches between Romania and Transcarpathia have been fucked up there for a long time (after the collapse of the CMEA and the USSR)!

you have little idea what you write
ten years ago, I was offered cargo in eurocars from Romania through Dyakovo on a narrow gauge to submit to Chop for reloading.

[Bratkov Oleg]

But what about the all-pervading "Dagger"? Collapse the tunnel, not far from the entrance, can't it?

[militarist63]

slow down a bit, dear

put Lvov instead of I.-F. and that is all.
you could finish your educational program.

which clearly follows from the attached map

Well, sorry for my "expression" ... I don’t know those regions from applications ... at one time I traveled along those routes for a lot, more than 15 years ... Regarding where the main supplies come from ... yes, it is - mainly from Poland and the Carpathian tunnels are completely absent there needed ... And if Romania decides to send something, then, again, it’s easier through the Chernivtsi region, through Vadul-Siret straight to Chernivtsi and further inland ..., and not through the Carpathian passes ....

[Flooding]

Quote: militarist63

at one time I traveled along those routes for a lot, more than 15 years

always welcome constructive
my regards

[zloybond]

There is an old tunnel nearby, mothballed as a backup, obviously it’s not just the rails that lie in it, maybe something else is being defended there ... also a topic for destruction

[Seal]

In Mukachevo, this route goes along the railway bridge over the Latoritsa River. Here it is quite possible to gently hammer it.

[militarist63]

In Mukachevo, this path goes along the railway bridge over the Latoritsa River

In fact, Latoritsa crosses "this path" twice (near the Carpathians and in Kolchino). Those. two bridges over Latoritsa. In general, on this route of those bridges ... across other rivers and gorges, there are a great many!

[militarist63]

Near the tunnel there is a bridge across the gorge, it is easier to destroy it .....

On this railway there are many bridges along the route, and there is not one tunnel, but THREE! In addition to the mentioned Beskid tunnel (the longest), there are TWO more - in the area of ​​​​the Volovets loop.

[Evil 55]

The power is there, the will is not.

[Sergey Tankist]

Since the Black Sea was dug up, then filling up some kind of gorge there is a trifling matter ...

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: dauria

The warhead of the "caliber" is too small, only the entrance of the "Khrushchev" to the basement is enough to fold.

Alexei! Well, you know that I'm not a rocket scientist. The devil only knows, experts know exactly what is needed.
What do we have - there is nothing to fuck with? To fill up as if there was no tunnel.
Experts probably know exactly what.

And my military specialty is the opposite. How to ensure that the column enters Salang so that the column is not beaten at the entrance, and how to ensure the exit - so that they do not burn it at the exit, like in a shooting range.

[dauria]

What do we have - there is nothing to fuck with?

We have grown old, Igor ... I hope that ours know better where to "herrak". I see one thing - they started to fight painfully "affectionately". Here is an example from ours... Village along the river. 600 x 250 meters offhand. Clay buildings. The enemy is up to an infantry company. BSHU with the forces of 2 units of Mi-8MT (8 boards of 6 OFAB 250 per board) plus a Mi-24 cover unit of 2 OFAB-100 and S-8 blocks. These are in case of "unexpected" ZGU and DShK. Total fifty ingots of 250 kg. After that, motorized riflemen climbed. They didn't have their art there. The place was called Dari Band.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: dauria

I see one thing - they started to fight painfully "affectionately".

Even to tell, Alexey. I can't - it makes me nervous. Usually cognac helped in such cases - here its help is not enough ...
How well and healthy it all began - and right now ...

Quote: dauria

2 units of Mi-8MT (8 boards of 6 OFAB 250 per board) plus a Mi-24 cover unit of 2 OFAB-100 each and S-8 blocks. These are in case of "unexpected" ZGU and DShK.

Standard, safe. Good job.
We don't have that kind of joy every time. They rejoiced if the "troika" Mi-8 with a suspension arrived in time. It depended not on us and not on the flyers. Probably, in Moscow, someone gave the "necessary" commands.

What's the difference?! We took the oath and served not Moscow, but the Motherland. That's why they don't give a damn about those who are in Moscow.
Just a little disappointing when they sell. For candy.

[Myths]

Have they now decided to indicate the goals themselves? Or is it a test of what else is there? Or is it a sacred thing for them that they cannot destroy the media: Work on the construction of the second track began in 2007 and lasted until 2018, when the then President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko solemnly opened the second double-track tunnel

[Sergey Kuzmin]

"They have now decided to indicate the goals themselves?" I was touched by the information that "at the insistence of British intelligence" ... we have been openly writing and discussing this for the second month now, and here - wow - the British distinguished themselves by learning about the plans of the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces ...)) )

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Sergey Kuzmin

"They have now decided to indicate the goals themselves?" I was touched by the information that "at the insistence of British intelligence" ... we have been openly writing and discussing this for the second month now, and here - wow - the British distinguished themselves by learning about the plans of the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces ...)) )

And I am "touched" by the fact that our General Staff is now being given target designation by British intelligence together with Ukraine - and even then I don’t hear in the news that something was "slammed" through that tunnel.

Isn't it the right time to show the world the "Caliber" or "Iskander" with a nuclear tactical head? The usual one, probably, cannot break through the mountain.

[Evgesha]

Oh oh oh!!!
What are you .. eprst, also enrolled in a sect "Lover to gasp TNW" ?????
It's time to stop this ridiculous verbiage about nuclear weapons !!!!
Do you want the whole world to take up arms against us????

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Evgesha

Do you want the whole world to take up arms against us????

And still not?

Or are we the first time to fight with the whole world? Something new for us? In 1812, 1918, 1941, but you can’t list all the dates - didn’t you fight with the whole world?

[NKT]

Will a couple of daggers suffice?

[DominickS]

FABs will be of little use here, unless they are thrown in clusters. Large layer of earth and concrete. The tunnel must be collapsed, not filled up. Here you need some kind of BETAB, or another penetrator.
Again, the question of pig air defense arises, which will be a problem, because we still don’t have an analogue of ZhDAMs.

[Machiavelli]

The dagger will pierce and the air defense will not take it

[bayard]

Quote: Machiavelli

The dagger will pierce and the air defense will not take it

It will break through, but will it bring down?
And if it doesn't collapse, they'll clean it up in a few days, concrete the hole, and let the trains run again.
We need an offensive operation from Belarus to the south along the border.
But this requires an appropriate outfit of forces, the consent / interaction of Belarus and the WILL for a final and DECISIVE Victory.

[Evgesha]

Well, by God - like children ...
First you need to suppress air defense.
This is where daggers and calibers are needed.
And then it is necessary that the Tu-22 or Tu-95 fly in and flop first
1. to the entrance of the OFAB-500U tunnel
2. and then to the tunnel itself - FAB-1500-2500TS or to the extreme BetAB-500U

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: DominickS

FABs will be of little use here

As I said above, I am not an expert in this topic. But again, as mentioned above,

Isn't it the right time to show the world the "Caliber" or "Iskander" with a nuclear tactical head? The usual one, probably, cannot break through the mountain.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: dauria

Provided that sending planes there is "unprofitable" due to losses, or unrealistic due to range.

If the Caliber costs somewhere around $1 million per unit, then the Su-35S costs $80 million, like 80 calibers.

[tech3030]

It seems like 500000 thousand Baku, I recently climbed in search of a price, maybe the price depends on the modification?

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Lt. air force reserve

If the Caliber costs somewhere around $ 1 million per unit

Is it?

The cost of export-made missiles of the 3M-54E type ranges from 28 to 426 thousand rubles, that is, from 300 to 36 thousand dollars, depending on the modification of the CD itself and the terms of the concluded trade agreement. Samples supplied to the armament of the Russian army in the usual version cost less than 954 thousand dollars apiece. When the cost of one CD type of the base model BGM-200A "Tomahawk" is 500 million 650 thousand US dollars. Of the 500 missiles of this type launched from the Mediterranean Sea, the cost of a volley of which amounted to 109 million 1 thousand US dollars, only 450 reached their targets, which, in fact, did not fulfill the task of completely disabling the airfield of the Syrian government forces. Having hit minor infrastructure facilities and hangars with old, out-of-service aircraft under repair. Ammunition depots, runways and taxiways, as well as all combat-ready aircraft of the Syrian Air Force, remained completely intact and were not damaged.

Moreover, for the sake of objectivity, the text is not ours, but Ukrainian.

[GREG68]

It will be the dagger!

[Evil543]

With such work like a dagger coped. In the same places.

[vlad106]

Quote: dauria

The warhead of the "caliber" is too small, it's enough just to lay down the entrance of the "Khrushchev" to the basement. It will not even break through any concrete point. For "calibers" the choice of "worthy" targets is too small. This is a fixed target, which can be taken with a FAB-500 or smaller aircraft high-explosive.

FAB 3000, 6000, 9000
Daggers for them there for dessert, no need to regret!
Open dozens of factories for the production of our "gifts", so that they work in three shifts, seven days a week.
It's wonderful.
Additional jobs will appear

[Expert2017]

That's what a dagger is for.

[imerjak]

Two Iskanders are enough - one for the entrance, the other for the exit - and no missile defense is a hindrance. Or I'm wrong? The question is expediency - perhaps it is more expedient to destroy equipment in places of its accumulation - before it reaches the places of hostilities.

[Revolver]

I have never been a professional in this matter, but I personally think that this is a goal worthy of the "Dagger".

[guerilla707]

Well, how to say, the caliber has a lot of bg options, according to the latest data, more than ten

[tralflot1832]

The British take us weakly, the Russians can do it. The Saumur tunnel bombed by the British in 1944. Only one Tolboy broke through the vaults, and there were many of them.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: tralflot1832

The English take us on weakly

Stupid. They haven't picked up a history textbook for a long time. And then you would know - Russians "on bzdo" cannot be taken. Suicidal.

[alystan]

The picture is beautiful, but I have a question - where are the ruins of the vault, and the thick one, where did it go? Evaporated?

[tralflot1832]

This photo is already under repair.

[guerilla707]

Well the dagger must master

[svp67]

Quote: Zoldat_A

How many "Calibers" do you need to mix it with g ... runt?

It looks like it’s not “Caliber”, here it will have to be “Dagger”

[abrakadabre]

It looks like it’s not “Caliber”, here it will have to be “Dagger”

If it is true that the accuracy of the Caliber is about 1 meter, and it can strike almost horizontally, then a dozen Calibers with an interval of 0.5-1 second. And to fly right inside the train. At both sides.

[svp67]

Quote: abrakadabre

If it is true that the Caliber accuracy is about 1 meter,

Mountains, the presence of an object air defense system, first you need to destroy it or disable it, the "Dagger" can bypass it

[abrakadabre]

Mountains, the presence of an object air defense system, first you need to destroy it or disable it, the "Dagger" can bypass it

Not only Dagger. Although he is first. We also have stealth cruise missiles. I remember them in Syria babahali with Tu-95 and Tu-160.

[Revolver]

"Dagger" is able to delve into the rock and reinforced concrete. It probably should. If it explodes inside the tunnel, there will be much less destruction than from an explosion five to ten meters higher inside the rock.

[nnm]

Not the same calibers exist. You can recall the Starikov variant in Spain ...
The main thing is to stop doing garbage, pretending to be an easy operation and wait until the tunnel and other air defense systems are covered by anti-sabotage units.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: nnm

Not the same calibers exist.

My father told me that, as a cadet in Ryazan in the early 60s, at field training camps somewhere in Penza or the Penza region, they unloaded platforms with aerial bombs.
One platform - one bomb 15 tons. And not in a container, but directly "alive", like a roasted pig on a platter. Round, with a shank - everything is as it should be.
Cho for the bomb "15 tons" - he did not know, I also did not find it on the Internet. But my father said that there were about a dozen trains, 5-7 each.

[Clear]

Quote: Zoldat_A

somewhere in Penza or the Penza region they were unloading platforms with aerial bombs.

Penza-19 "satellite city". BUT.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Clear

Penza-19 "satellite city".

Maybe ... You won’t ask your father anymore, but I don’t know.
But I'm not talking about Penza, but about bombs. Is there something to "gasp" even without a nuclear stuffing?

[Clear]

Quote: Zoldat_A

But I'm not talking about Penza, but about bombs. Is there something to "gasp" even without a nuclear stuffing?

Below I wrote that we, Russia, are also liberal in foreign policy and use rudeness, and during the fighting we play "Zarnitsa".

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Clear

Below I wrote that we, Russia, are also liberal in foreign policy and use rudeness, and during the fighting we play "Zarnitsa".

I, our common favorite, I have always agreed with you and now only "for".

In the Army, in which I served a long time ago, there were few women. Dining room and sanbat. Well, even the office at the headquarters.
That is why the attitude towards women in the Army has always been special, not like on "citizens".
And here I have the opportunity to meet like-minded people. Let not feel like THERE again, but the attitude towards women, of whom there are not so many in VO, remains as it was then.
Poppies are blooming, valleys have blossomed in the mountains - bouquets to them. I intercepted a candy-chocolate somewhere in the bazaar for change - I gave it to some friend of a nurse or a canteen.

And here from me to you, as far as possible, always

[abrakadabre]

Cho for the bomb "15 tons" - he did not know, I also did not find it on the Internet. But my father said that there were about a dozen trains, 5-7 each.

Maybe some options for old thermonuclear modifications. Like the one that on Novaya Zemlya under Khrushchev, they gasped at 50 megatons.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: abrakadabre

Maybe some options for old thermonuclear modifications. Like the one that on Novaya Zemlya under Khrushchev, they gasped at 50 megatons.

Well, first of all, there were too many of them.

father said that there were about a dozen trains, 5-7 each.

Secondly, my father said that they were non-nuclear - although the devil knows ... Who reported to him, a cadet?
And thirdly, the first cadets who came to hand, even from Ryazan, would not have been sent to unload nuclear bombs. Then who needs to look where they need to. And without the permission of the First Division, people with such things did not work. In the 90s, I myself worked with the "heirs" of that "Tsar Bomba" - and then they sat in a hotel, drank vodka for 5 days and played cards - they waited for a letter from our First Department to the local one in order to get a special pass.

The conclusion is general - probably, after all, non-nuclear, ordinary.

[Revolver]

Quote: abrakadabre

Like the one that on Novaya Zemlya under Khrushchev, they gasped at 50 megatons.

Kuzkina Mother

[novel66]

probably, nevertheless, 9 tons, 15, it seems, we didn’t have it, 9 is the largest caliber

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: novel xnumx

probably, nevertheless, 9 tons, 15, it seems, we didn’t have it, 9 is the largest caliber

With all due respect. Novel. Still, it is difficult to confuse 9 tons with fifteen.
Even, already as a builder with experience myself, I’ll say that we have a crane of the Soviet standard (end of the USSR) 6,3 (ZiL), 16 tons (KAMAZ), 25 tons (different platforms).

I mean this - to the fact that 9-ton bombs with 16-ton loads (at that time, probably, at KrAZ trucks) could be unloaded. And my father said that they unloaded 25-ton trucks - he was not an expert in lifting equipment then.
But on the hook it is ALWAYS drawn! how many tons max.
Revisit "The Diamond Arm", where Nikulin was pulled out of the boat at the end of the film. What is drawn on the hook? At minimum reach..
And as a builder, I would simply not allow 16-ton nonsense to be overloaded from the platform with 15-ton trucks - either the cargo will be ditched or a crane.
In the case of a bomb, drop the load - well, in FIG.

[Revolver]

Quote: Zoldat_A

unloaded with 25 tons

Well, here, quite possibly, there was no 16-ton at hand, but there was some heavier one, and they unloaded it. So not an indicator. I once saw in America how some people delivered pizza on a two-ton Ford F-250 truck.

[guerilla707]

On three tons

[nnm]

Starin, of course. T9

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: nnm

Starin, of course.

Atas, how we miss such an uncle now!

When I served - yes, we were taught something, and we did something ... It seems that they did their job well - the command was satisfied and the Motherland did not go around with praise.
But reaching out to HIS level is like pulling God's beard.

[alystan]

One will be enough, but to accurately fly into the tunnel itself.
You may need a second one for the second branch, dug three dozen meters from the main one. Well, according to the "control" launch on both tunnels, but only immediately, and not as in the case of the railway bridge near Odessa.
Total, 4 caliber.

[lis-ik]

Quote: Zoldat_A

How many "Calibers" do you need to mix it with g ... runt?

Why Caliber? A suitable target for the Dagger. The warhead from Iskander, plus kinetic energy, and you don’t even need to enter the air defense zone. It’s another matter if they don’t want or didn’t want to, but now how much they have imported.

[Freelancer7]

In the tunnel, as in the eye of a needle to put a thread in a big way - it's hard. And not to get caught and put to shame - it’s better not to let it in at all.

[alystan]

Well then, there was no need to say anything about "may fly into the window" ...

[Snail N9]

All that just rests on the lack of high-precision weapons. He is not here. We prepared a little for the war for a maximum of three weeks, but it stretched out. And who knows in what technical condition "prepared"? Maybe there is a large percentage of marriage because of the haste? Or again, "Chinese components" from the "garage" ... In general ...

[Vadim237]

For such objects buried and made of reinforced concrete - Daggers and Iskanders are the most.

[Saboteur_Navy]

There are plenty of options. For example, remember about the AN-12, a fab of any power will go there, in general the AN-12 is a cool thing, in Afghanistan the spirits were terrified, 70 bombs per plane of 100 kg, 50 planes and carpet strikes from a great height, they wrote about the Dagger here.
Yes, and it would be time to open a partisan base in the Carpathians and in those areas, recall the experience of the NKVD, the CPSU and Kovpak

[Sailor]

Even they guess the logic of its destruction. And I think there is something to destroy, up to the disposal of old ICBMs without SBC.

[poquello]

Quote: Zoldat_A

How many "Calibers" do you need to mix it with g ... runt?

and why the hell do dills need this goal deep in their ass? damn where the hell are you why

[General70]

I think "Caliber" is useless here, here you need a raid by a TU-160 squadron with large-caliber bombs

[Eugene Besfamilny]

What about calibers? They are not designed for that. There is a Dagger, which no air defense can intercept, and with its kinetic energy, it can even break through several meters of rocky soil. That will be enough to block the entrance to the tunnel. Will clear - repeat. Etc.

[Lechik2000]

Dubolomas in the General Staff, I served and work in the Ministry of Internal Affairs for the 29th year, you think everything is fine in the Central Administration of the Ministry of Internal Affairs - they recruit groping people from the regions, Muscovites do not go. In Armeyka, the same thing - nepotism and blat has not been canceled by anyone, do you expect brilliant strategies from them?

[Looking for]

unfortunately. the power of calibers is extremely. small for these rocks. Here is a massive bombardment by super-heavy FABs - this is just right.

[Bykov.]

Quote: Saboteur_Navy

It is strange that it is still intact, this is the key tunnel from Lviv.
We need to destroy it immediately!

Yes, mess! Immediately "calibrate" this object.

[Alexander 3]

A warhead with a volumetric opening part will help solve this problem

[Lionnvrsk]

Quote: Saboteur_Navy

Well this is the key tunnel from Lviv.

This is a key tunnel for cargo going through Hungary and Slovenia. And through the Stryi junction station, it is already possible to carry to Lviv and Ternopil.

[Saboteur_Navy]

The tunnel is part of an international transport corridor that runs through Italy, Slovenia, Hungary, Slovakia, Ukraine and further east. The Beskydy Tunnel is located in the Carpathians, on the Beskydy Pass.

[Saboteur_Navy]

In two months, 1828 freight trains, 92297 freight cars and 442 passenger and commuter trains passed through the tunnel towards the western borders and back. The speed of freight trains has increased to 60 km/h, and that of passenger trains to 70 km/h.

[Lionnvrsk]

So I don't mind. My statement concerned only your nonsense about the key tunnel from Lvov. Well, if only your deep thought did not concern the importance of the tunnel for the evacuation of refugees to Italy, Hungary, Slovenia.

[Saboteur_Navy]

Oh, but through Hungary, Slovenia and Slovakia, they don’t import anything at all to Ukraine from Italy and other countries? This is called redirection and logistics so that Poland does not reload, and if for you the Hungarians, Slovenes, Slovakia are allies, then for Russia the enemies are definitely

[Lionnvrsk]

Quote: Saboteur_Navy

It's called a redirect

I tell you about one thing, and you tell me about another. You are some kind of stubborn one. The case is not x o x o l? After all, they have the Navy. Or is your nickname touching the intrauterine device and you are a sperm penetrator?

[alystan]

This is a key tunnel for cargo going through Hungary and Slovenia. And through the Stryi junction station, it is already possible to carry to Lviv and Ternopil.

And you need to "loop" so that all the loads turn around and go in the opposite direction!

[sofkar]

Quote: Saboteur_Navy

this is the key tunnel from Lviv

Where from Lvov? Hungary prohibits the supply of weapons to Ukraine through its territory. Lord, saboteurs of the Navy ... if only they taught geography at school.
And half a forum - yes, yes, and they put pluses ...

[Saboteur_Navy]

The tunnel is part of an international transport corridor that runs through Italy, Slovenia, Hungary, Slovakia, Ukraine and further east. The Beskydy Tunnel is located in the Carpathians, on the Beskydy Pass.

[Saboteur_Navy]

In two months, 1828 freight trains, 92297 freight cars and 442 passenger and commuter trains passed through the tunnel towards the western borders and back. The speed of freight trains has increased to 60 km/h, and that of passenger trains to 70 km/h.

[sofkar]

1. To say that this is a KEY direction, it must be compared with the Lviv-Pshemysl direction. Or are you interested in the tunnel itself?
2. Total one freight train every hour and a half from west to east. It's even less than I expected.
3. Thanks for the statistics, it's cool and visual. I do not have statistics on railway transportation, I believe.

[16112014nk]

Hungary prohibits the supply of weapons to Ukraine through its territory.

Are you 100500% sure that this is the way it is?
As Muller said: In our time, you can’t trust anyone - not even yourself.

[Saboteur_Navy]

Not only weapons are imported there, but also gasoline, diesel fuel, oil, gas, and other goods. Yes, and you should not believe the Hungarians, but besides Hungary, there is a train through Hungary, Slovenia and Slovakia go from Italy and through Italy

[sofkar]

Quote: Saboteur_Navy

Yes, and the Hungarians should not be trusted,

You and 16112014nk,
The Poles say (and Europe confirms) that they supply weapons to Ukraine and a lot, but what they supply there is junk and not weapons, and not so much, they couldn’t do that much ... and in general they can’t be trusted.
The Hungarians say (and the EU confirms) that they do not supply themselves and do not allow someone else to pass through their territory - they should not be trusted.
Where is the logic?
Indeed, a view of the world according to the precepts of Muller.

Well, it’s quite an enchanting conclusion - so let’s gouge the message with Hungary. To be sure.

[abrakadabre]

Where from Lvov? Hungary prohibits the supply of weapons to Ukraine through its territory.

But Slovakia is trying for ten.

[sofkar]

And what was there, except for one S-300? Slovakia is not even in the top five.

[abrakadabre]

And what was there, except for one S-300?

There were also shells for artillery. And this is all from our own stocks. But there is still transit. Well, and all sorts of related cargo, such as fuel, etc.

[stels_07]

The Russian General Staff is the most humane in the world

[max702]

There are more than enough goals .. But in the General Staff, as they like to say here, "smarter" we are sitting. Link to the goals of logistics throughout Ukraine https://t.me/SolovievLive/104313 .. Maybe the General Staff will move like that, last time they managed Zatoka in a couple of days ...

[militarist63]

Well this is the key tunnel from Lviv.
We need to destroy it immediately!

From Lvov to where...? ... It is west of Lvov!

[28st region]

In theory, in the early days they should have.

[Taimen]

They promised solemnly to strike at decision-making centers. At least on Bankovskaya, at least one rocket. And that Silence and Zelya and their comrades roam the city.

[Crete 25]

That's where you need to pew! And the sooner the better. And not only there

[Seryoga64]

Well prepare and flunk it

[RVAPatriot]

Here you can also work with Daggers, which would be for sure. And for any air defense from a high bell tower ....

[Aleksey Aleksandrovich]

Stick the "Dagger" in there and forget that this tunnel once was.

[leks]

Quote: Alexey Alexandrovich

Stick the "Dagger" in there and forget that this tunnel once was.

To do this, it is necessary that the dagger fly into the tunnel and jerk there, and this is jewelry work.

[Titus_2]

Ideally, to blow up the train in the tunnel so that any ammunition detonates or simply destroy the locomotive. Because getting it out of there is not an easy task.

[sen]

Ukraine has strengthened the security of the Beskydy Tunnel, which provides railroad deliveries of weapons, equipment and fuel and lubricants from Central Europe to Ukraine. In Kyiv, they fear that Russia will strike at the facility.

That's where the hypersonic "Dagger" comes in handy.

[Third district]

Quote: sen

That's where the hypersonic "Dagger" comes in handy.

At the same time, it would be a test of its accuracy in combat conditions. As well as invulnerability to air defense, check. They probably put the S-300 there. But it seems that ours do not even think about hitting these objects. Although the weapons are already in full swing.

[Incvizitor]

His RF still does not touch.

[Andrea]

And how did they guess? Shamans, however!
What is the strengthening of security? Will they give out tennis rackets and beat off concrete bombs and "Daggers"?

[Crete 25]

So who else would send them there. And then all persi memnem something. I hope our command knows what they are doing.

[Titus_2]

I’ve been waiting for such a comment for a very long time, but maybe they really call air defense nearby.

[Carlos Hall]

Some of you have been saying on this forum for a long time that this infrastructure should be destroyed.

[Elena Kokoreva]

There is KAB 500,1500, why aren’t they bombing? You can’t see victory like that ... even everything doesn’t look very good ... bad thoughts ...

[K-50]

And before, what kind of skis were cool for hiking, "Beskydy".
How many hundreds of kilometers they walked through the winter taiga and mountains.
Ehhh.

[Lionnvrsk]

Quote: K-50

they walked through the winter taiga and mountains

But did not try, "on skis and standing in a hammock" (c)?

[K-50]

Quote: LIONnvrsk

Quote: K-50

they walked through the winter taiga and mountains

But did not try, "on skis and standing in a hammock" (c)?

Brad what. You have a painfully violent fantasy. Be careful with your desires.

[Artem77]

it's more like an invitation - that's the goal, hit here, quickly!
Of course, over the past 2 months I began to doubt the minds of those who make decisions, but not so much as to believe that they themselves will not figure out where to strike.

[Vladimir61]

Quote: Artyom77

it's more like an invitation - that's the goal

Quite possibly! They strengthened the air defense with their systems and placed means of objective control to remove the characteristics of the "Dagger".

[lianozovomsk1]

YES EVEN IF SO, WHAT SHOULD IGNORE THIS OBJECT NOW? Throw just a vinaigrette there: Caliber, Iskander, Onyx and Daggers from different directions. The White Swan from the territory of the Brest region can throw. This is the shortest distance to hit.

[Artem77]

Firstly, I don’t think that people in the General Staff are dumber than you!
Secondly, "venegret", as you put it, costs money, and not small ones! And any military operations should be expedient, and not carried out for the sake of satisfying Internet hamsters. If they do not block the western border, do not destroy tunnels and bridges, do not go on the attack in the Donbass, and so on, then there are reasons for this - they don’t want to, they can’t, it doesn’t make sense.

[lianozovomsk1]

And how much money is the life of Russian soldiers worth? I don't know anything about hamsters, guinea pigs, and bobcats, but if it's possible to stop the flow of weapons, then it must be stopped.

[avionic]

I think the dagger will even out the curvature of the tunnel

[rocket757]

Kyiv has strengthened the security of the Beskydy Tunnel, which ensures the supply of weapons to Ukraine from Central Europe

. Oh, what a lure!

[lianozovomsk1]

Next - Rzeszow, then - Warsaw. The main thing is that the lurers do not run away to Key West.

[Olesya Lesya]

With a dagger and guessing so that at least one compiler can get there. I'll thank you right away.

[Cowbra]

Meanwhile, Arestovich's channel also has useful information about the methods of the operation.

And ours will figure out where to hit, and the ancient non-modernized Buki will not help

[Elephant]

inflict a series of strikes on railway tracks, tunnels and bridges in order to cut off Ukraine from Europe, thereby cutting off supply lines by rail - only the laziest did not talk about this on the forum. So the Britons are surprised by the obvious indecision of our Defense Ministry and high-level officials!

[couch]

immediately send him greetings from Uncle Vova (from the Kremlin!)

[Russobel]

It was necessary to destroy all means of communication in the first days of the special operation, but even now it will be just right.

[Sergey999]

Thanks for the tip, but I think our Ministry of Defense has already made such a decision

[Crisp]

Quote: alystan

The picture is beautiful, but I have a question - where are the ruins of the vault, and the thick one, where did it go? Evaporated?

And what, they sat there and shook snot on their fists? Taken out and ready to go. They were taken out on donkeys, in baskets.

[Carib]

Why Caliber ... Dagger from the near entrance. So that he flew 30-50 meters, and even better, he collided with an oncoming train.

[Boycott]

It's time to remember the good old methods, for example, how Ilya Starinov blew up a tunnel protected by the junta "like the virginity of a younger sister" in Spain. Details here: [media=https://ru.rbth.com/read/1234-best-soviet-saboteur]

[Leshak]

Dear generals from the General Staff, I did not know about this tunnel, did you? And if they knew, then why the hell is he still intact?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Why hasn't this same blow been struck yet?

[Altmann]

How is it possible that this route is still running? Don't want to get into generality because it has a lot of problems, but someone here should have solved much earlier. Today, destroying it will no longer be such a big problem, but shouting and roaring at NATO and the UN is useless.

[Chronos]

It is easier to disable bridges, junction stations (arrows in the first place) and electrical substations. Let's hope that British intelligence was not mistaken and they will work properly on the Ukrainian railway. They will not cover all air defense facilities, they still need to cover their troops.

[kneeval]

Kyiv may not worry about tunnels while the Dnieper bridges are standing

[Humpty]

The tunnel, through which I most often pass, from the outside, in principle, cannot be seriously damaged by anything conventional. Inside, in a number of places in the tunnel there are some engineering excesses for the convenience of undermining.
I do not know the features of the tunnel in the Carpathians.
If there is a serious layer of rock above the tunnel roof, even if it is fragile rocks characteristic of the Carpathians, then the tunnel can only be destroyed from the inside. Even then, a lot of explosives are needed.

[tsvetahaki]

I remember 20-30 years ago, Tomogawks flew into the windows, not like into the tunnels ...
Calibers seem to be no worse?
Half a ton of hexagen or octogen 30 meters from the entrance ... It's hard to believe that it won't be enough.
Or?
- Calibers are not tomohawks, can't they get into a window or a tunnel?
- there is no political will to do it?

[Humpty]

Quote from tsvetahaki

Half a ton of hexagen or octogen 30 meters from the entrance ... It's hard to believe that it won't be enough.

I think TGA. No, the floor is not enough. tons. Elephant pellet. Even if something collapses, the loader will easily rake in an hour, the rest of the consequences can be quickly repaired.

[tsvetahaki]

It seems to me that due to concern for the ecological situation in the area of ​​the tunnel, Russia cannot afford its barbaric destruction.
There are no other, more realistic explanations...

[Egoza]

Quote from tsvetahaki

It seems to me that due to concern for the ecological situation in the area of ​​the tunnel, Russia cannot afford its barbaric destruction.
There are no other, more realistic explanations.

I think it's in Hungary. She will be in trouble. Again, NATO partners will poke, they say, they are on good terms with the Russian Federation, but what is she doing. And painfully shaved "invite". I think that it is necessary to hit not on the tunnel itself, but where its exit is, the train leaves and is already on the territory of Ukraine. This is where all sorts of "tricks" come in handy. Although, yes. Involuntarily S.A. Kovpak is remembered.

[sofkar]

Quote: Egoza

I think that it is necessary to hit not on the tunnel itself, but where its exit is, the train leaves and is already on the territory of Ukraine.

The tunnel is completely on the territory of Ukraine, both the exit and the entrance. He's not on the border. The railway line goes to Hungary and Slovakia.

[Ryaruav]

with conventional air bombs, the entrance and exit of all business, and let the tunnel remain just in case

[Common sense]

And if a cruise missile is launched inside at the moment of passing the echelon with ammunition? That would be a noble salute by May 9th!

[Bykov.]

.Ukraine has strengthened the protection of the Beskydy tunnel,

Will not help. Let's bomb it.

[Sergey ABC]

Early. That's when amers are officially sent to Ukraine, then we'll slam the mousetrap

[Hariton laptev]

Then they will announce mobilization and the special operation will go into war. Now it is necessary to finish off the fascist evil spirits.

[Dmitry Starorussky]

why pull with the destruction of ALL!!! bridges?!

[older]

Quote: Saboteur_Navy

The tunnel is part of an international transport corridor that runs through Italy, Slovenia, Hungary, Slovakia, Ukraine and further east. The Beskydy Tunnel is located in the Carpathians, on the Beskydy Pass.

Excuse me, and where are the friendly states? Where is the reason not to destroy?

[Hariton laptev]

How many conversations there were that calibers could fly into the window. Will they go into the tunnel?

[Mapping]

concrete bombs

[NNikolaich]

The new tunnel needs to be bang unambiguously

[Yuriy Pavlov]

The tunnel between the stations Lavochnaya (Lviv region) and Skotarska (Transcarpathian)
In addition to the railway private security company - Mukachevo - Stryi - Lviv - there is a bypass road Chop - Uzhgorod - Sambir Stry
In Chop, Vadul Siret (Chernivtsi) wheel pair swap point
Against ,, Dagger, no air defense will save

[certero]

Nobody will destroy the tunnel. Let Ukrainians not worry. We have a special operation, not a war. Let military cargo go smoothly through this tunnel. Well, what do you think

[alystan]

Doesn't it seem strange to you that through this tunnel around the clock the flow of weapons goes to Ukraine precisely for use by the Ukrainian Armed Forces against the RF NMD?
But nothing that the Ukrainian and Russian oligarchs who have grown together with them are constantly driving their products in the opposite direction?
And how do you like this moment - Germany wants hundreds of thousands, if not millions, tons of grain to be exported from Ukraine to Europe? They are not worried about Ukraine and the Ukrainian people - they are worried, as if in Europe and there was no famine in the world (!!!)
Now you understand that all this infrastructure should have been multiplied by ZERO LONG AGO!

Let the military cargo go smoothly through this tunnel. Well, what do you think

Are you serious? Are you not an employee of Zelensky?

[gm6247]

A cruise supersonic missile flies into the tunnel. Amen.

[dimbasic]

I won’t be surprised if this is another disinformation from the Anglo-Saxon scum

[Igor Mitin]

And why hasn’t it been destroyed yet. The dagger is something of a pity.

[Ronino]

"Dagger" help!

[Arkady007]

Well, if they are afraid, then it is necessary to strike.

[Cher]

When they start to hammer on the railway infrastructure at all, they send coke for Zelensky in wagons. Look how cheerful he is, he receives guests, the first month was not like that.

[cooper]

And then Russia does not have the opportunity to radically disable this tunnel. There would be a desire. This is strange, very strange.

[businessv]

Quote: Cooper

And then Russia does not have the opportunity to radically disable this tunnel.

Russia has the ability to radically disable the entire world... But, thank God, there is no desire that only the redneck and insatiable West can arouse!

[ACCUSED]

There are 3 tunnels on the railway from Skatarske station to Beskid station (1 is more than 2km and 2 are 300m each).

[_simply]

"Dagger" can be... Directly inside. With regards.

[Private SA]

Quote: Zoldat_A

How many "Calibers" do you need to mix it with g ... runt?

Well, the British had "Tallboy" bombs and a special squadron of "Lancasters" for this
(destruction of tunnels, dams in the Ruhr, (but there are rolling bombs) bombing
according to Tirpitz) were used).
I hope that we will find something too.

[Boratsagdiev]

Adjustable free-fall ammunition with a volumetric detonating filling is driven under the arch on both sides and the path is then dug. Although, for starters, you can launch several missiles with a guidance channel inside.

[Vitaly Petrov_3]

[quote=Kuznets 55]Next to the tunnel there is a bridge across the gorge, it’s easier to destroy it. It will take months of work to restore it. Dagger through the tunnel!

[Fitter65]

Naturally, there are no details; the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine does not want to share its plans.

And what happened? Why the General Staff of the Ukrainian Armed Forces stopped wanting to share its plans.

[George Koval]

This tunnel should have been demolished immediately after the West announced the supply of heavy weapons to the outskirts...

[George Koval]

Are we conducting SVO or are we playing games? It's time to switch to "everything for the front, everything for victory!"

[ISKANDER_61]

Question: 2 months of war, and this tunnel is still in operation, Why?
That's the plan. Delay the operation for 10 years. More victims. Or something else?

[Dilettante grandfather]

Quote: Sergey Kuzmin

“Have they now decided to indicate the goals themselves?” I was touched by the information that “at the insistence of British intelligence”... we have been openly writing and discussing this for the second month now, and here - wow - the British distinguished themselves by learning about plans of the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces...)

It’s just that British intelligence finally found a person who can read Russian, and he studied part of what we are discussing here.

[kakvastam]

The most amazing thing is that the bridges across the Dnieper are intact.
Given the pace of advance, our troops certainly won’t need them, so why leave them?

[Reznov]

That would be a fine target for Khinzal?

[Radical]

Ukraine has strengthened the security of the Beskydy Tunnel, which provides railroad deliveries of weapons, equipment and fuels and lubricants from Central Europe to Ukraine. In Kyiv, they fear that Russia will strike at the facility.

Does this mean security - air defense systems, or watchmen? Oh, and by the way, why is this object still intact, Comrade Chief of the General Staff?

[Maverick1812]

So you need to get it! Moreover, just yesterday...

[businessv]

Kyiv has strengthened the security of the Beskydy Tunnel, which ensures the supply of weapons to Ukraine from Central Europe

Cut to hell without waiting for peritonitis!!! (With)

[Evgesha]

Quote: Zoldat_A

Quote: Evgesha

Do you want the whole world to take up arms against us????

And still not?
?

Why is the whole world against us???
Or is “The Whole World” a geyropa for you???

After the use of tactical nuclear weapons, everyone will look at us askance!!!! Even the CSTO will look at us as if we are crazy!!!!
Do you need this??