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Saakashvili leaked, or Bog for Bidziny

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Georgia has made its choice - hundreds of information publications around the world are talking about it today. After the counting of votes, the party of incumbent President Mikheil Saakashvili came in second place, behind the Georgian Dream Bidzina Ivanishvili’s opposition bloc. According to preliminary data, slightly more than 41% of Georgian citizens gave their votes to the pro-presidential “United National Movement”, while about the oppositional “Dream” about 55%.


Saakashvili leaked, or Bog for Bidziny


Such a result, in the light of the fact that Georgia will soon become a parliamentary republic in January (January 2013), can only say that the era of Saakashvili is leaving. The fact is that according to the new provisions of the Georgian constitution, the number one person in a state from 2013 will be not the president, but the prime minister. These amendments were initiated by Saakashvili himself, obviously hoping that his political movement would prevail over the opposition coalition, and accordingly he (Saakashvili), although in a different position, would remain the first Georgian official. However, nothing of the kind, as we understand, happened: Saakashvili lost. At the same time, the word “lost” in this context is not even entirely appropriate. More correctly in this regard, to say that those who once actively promoted the current Georgian president to power, for Saakashvili this time put an insurmountable barrier. Outwardly, everything looked, naturally, in full compliance with democratic norms, but in actual fact, the West, with the help of these very democratic norms, which, as it turned out, can be easily manipulated, simply “leaked” Mikhail Nikolozovich. He “poured” as calmly as Viktor Yushchenko, who at one time also zealously embodied Western ideas, but then stalled in place and began to more and more go into the quagmire along with his reforms and innovations.

So, Saakashvili “merged” with the hands of the Georgian people themselves, because this person for the whole circle of people who made their bets on him turned into a waste material. At the same time, the acting Georgian president himself, realizing that his game is over, acknowledged his defeat - and how could he not recognize when Big Brother, who had led him once to the presidency, deigned this time to gently refuse Saakashvili’s help. That's Victoria Nuland praised Mikhail Nikolozovich for his accommodating in terms of recognizing the defeat in the elections. And, as we know from our own stories (1996 year), if the United States unconditionally recognizes elections in one country or another and even applaud their results, it means that they have their own interest in that ...

But if the era of Saakashvili is heading towards its sunset, then what should the Georgian people expect, and you and me, from the new star of Georgian politics, billionaire Bidzina Ivanishvili, who, by the way, does not even have Georgian citizenship. The winning coalition is ready to present Ivanishvili as the future Georgian prime minister, endowing him with a Georgian passport, which was recently selected in a very original way (there is information about this in “VO”) by the current President Saakashvili.

So, it is obvious that Ivanishvili will get to the chair of the first man of Georgia - the chair of the prime minister. And if it does, what changes in the internal politics of our neighbors can happen?

To begin with, it is worth noting that the chairman of the Russian Government, Dmitry Medvedev, has already said that he welcomes the choice of the Georgian people. According to Medvedev, the political landscape in modern Georgia can become more diverse. The Russian prime minister is ready to begin building relations with a new political force that emerged from the southern neighbor.

One can understand Medvedev’s undisguised satisfaction with the results of elections in Georgia, because Medvedev himself has suffered from the current Georgian president and his closest circle. Both he (Medvedev) and Putin often stated that the Russian authorities are ready to contact the Georgian authorities only if there is anyone at the head of Georgia, but not Mikhail Saakashvili. And the peculiar dream of Russian leaders is becoming a reality.

The actual coming to power in Georgia of opposition forces led by Ivanishvili promises positive changes in relation to our countries. The victor of the parliamentary elections managed to speak about it himself. But at the same time, it is necessary to touch upon the very sensitive issue of our bilateral relations: the issue of the territorial integrity of Georgia. It is clear that recognition of the independence of South Ossetia and Abkhazia by the politicians of the “Georgian Dream” is out of the question. It would just bury their political career in Georgia. Moreover, this is clearly not part of the plans of Big Brother, who did not hinder the coming of the Ivanishvili bloc to power.
At the same time, the Russian leadership, whoever is at the Georgian helm, will not make a backward move, abandoning its own recognition of the independence of the above-mentioned republics. Such a refusal would have looked just silly, and, it is unlikely, could have added to Russia foreign policy points, at least from Sukhum and Tskhinval.

It turns out that Russia and Georgia will have to build their relations in a new way, either ignoring this problem or solving it in a certain new plane. It is obvious that today such a “new plane” does not exist. Moreover, Bidzina Ivanishvili made it clear that he is going to forge positive relations with Moscow, but at the same time he is not going to refuse integration with the West. At least, the course towards Georgia’s entry into NATO, as well as large-scale cooperation with the European Union, will continue. It turns out that Russian-Georgian relations will have to follow a very thorny path.

But here one could hardly expect other words from Ivanishvili. Judge for yourself, the person didn’t even have time to feel the joys of victory in the elections, and then suddenly he would sow with the words that he either fully and completely rushes into the arms of Russia, covering all programs for Georgia’s accession to the North Atlantic Alliance, or roughly the same foreign policy that Mikhail Saakashvili pursued and continues to pursue. Not a single adequate politician (let us hope that Ivanishvili is like that), having heard about the preliminary results, will cut off his shoulders and shout about the one-sidedness of his policy. Here Ivanishvili and immediately threw two fishing rods, and now he is ready to wait a little, what rod will bring him a greater catch.

If Ivanishvili had suddenly declared that he was ready to completely abandon the idea of ​​Georgia joining NATO, this would have caused an unequivocal protest of almost 70% of the country's population who had voted not so long ago to actively integrate with the alliance. If Ivanishvili would say that he is not going to restore good-neighborly relations with Russia, because she is “occupying” a fifth of the territory of Georgia, then this would cause bewilderment among those who in Georgia advocate for the rapprochement of our countries. And there are obviously a lot of them. If we consider that the population of Georgia is about 4,5 million, and at the same time, according to the most conservative estimates, about 170 thousands of Georgian citizens live in the Russian Federation, then it is clear that the issue of improving relations between Moscow and Tbilisi has long been overdue.
But, again, how will Ivanishvili solve this question? Most likely, he himself - no way. He will wait for the first steps from Moscow, like the girl on the marriage who is waiting for a proposal from the groom. And it can even give Ivanishvili a certain head start. If Moscow takes an ill-conceived step, then both the present Georgian oppositionist-president and the West that merged him will have another reason to accuse Moscow of the fact that it was not the case of Saakashvili, but only in the position of the Kremlin.

If so, then Moscow needs to be ready for a maneuver that will allow it to go for a real upholding of its interests in the Caucasus, for rapprochement with Georgia, as they say, for a lesser loss of foreign policy rating. But on the other hand, does Moscow really need this rapprochement now? .. Certainly, building honest partnerships is one thing, and quite another, when too serious a relationship can turn out to be a background. Could it be that while both Moscow and a fairly politically renewed Tbilisi will wait for the first steps of each other, the third forces will again try to take advantage of this hitch for the two countries? It may well turn out, if, of course, the West has finally lost interest in Georgia. But the West now has its own problems, as they say, to the throat, and therefore a small but insanely proud Caucasian country may find itself in a very delicate situation, when due to the mistakes of the previous (still valid) leadership, its political plans are not for everyone interesting.

In general, Ivanishvili will have to start working, rolling up his sleeves, in order to clean up everything that he managed to leave behind both on the foreign and domestic political arena. the destroyer of his own state.
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  1. Vadivak
    Vadivak 4 October 2012 09: 09 New
    17
    Boy, girl, what a difference .....

    the winner of the Georgian parliamentary elections, the leader of the Georgian Dream opposition coalition, billionaire Bidzina (Boris) Ivanishvili spent at least $ 3,3 million on lobbying and consulting in the United States as part of the campaign. This follows from the materials of the US Department of Justice
    A number of American companies provided services to the Georgian billionaire - from working with lobbyists in the US Congress and the Barack Obama administration to promoting Ivanishvili’s positive image on Facebook and Twitter. National Strategies created an “army of supporters” in the US, Europe and Georgia itself to promote the candidate. PR specialists were creating online banners, preparing brochures, press releases, distributing links to resources in support of Ivanishvili and the Georgian Dream coalition. The contract was concluded in April 2012 for 3 months, and then extended for another 9 months, until April 2013. Each month, the client undertook to transfer $ 105 thousand each - in total, National Strategies and its contractors will receive about $ 1,26 million. Ivanishvili in the United States and volunteer volunteer assistants. In particular, Tedo Japaridze is registered by the US Department of Justice as a volunteer adviser. Its functions included informing the US Congress and the presidential administration of all measures taken by the Georgian authorities to limit Ivanishvili’s civil and political freedoms.
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 4 October 2012 09: 21 New
      +6
      It is logical that both "boy" and "girl" look into the mouth of the West in general and the United States in particular.
      1. INTER
        INTER 4 October 2012 09: 40 New
        +5
        Quote: PSih2097

        It is logical that both "boy" and "girl" look into the mouth of the West in general and the United States in particular.

        And the first visit, as he said, he will make in the USA angry
        1. urzul
          urzul 4 October 2012 10: 08 New
          10
          Swear allegiance is not otherwise
          1. INTER
            INTER 4 October 2012 10: 11 New
            +1
            Quote: urzul
            Swear allegiance is not otherwise

            Probably! The bear is more indecisive, therefore, they remove it, put it more courageous. yes
          2. Fox 070
            Fox 070 4 October 2012 11: 53 New
            +1
            Quote: urzul
            Swear allegiance is not otherwise

            So I have already sworn, without it I would not have won. Apparently for the bobs he will rush to the "development of democracy".
          3. APASUS
            APASUS 4 October 2012 21: 43 New
            0
            Quote: urzul
            Swear allegiance is not otherwise

            So Russia will not swear! What do you think that normalization of relations means full entry into Russia?
            The whole elite of Georgia sees itself in Europe and NATO, and the normalization of relations is already good for a country against Russia! Do not expect much!
      2. Gluxar
        Gluxar 4 October 2012 14: 42 New
        +2
        It cannot be otherwise under vassalage. However, this de jure will make it possible to unfreeze political contact with Russia, but already in the conditions of today's reality. the first round is over, the second begins. And taking into account the fact that we are talking about Georgians, a wave of "punitive" cases is inevitable, which will also tear off the beautiful masks in the eyes of the western man in the street.
    2. igordok
      igordok 4 October 2012 09: 24 New
      +3
      You should stay away from such "friends".
      1. Sakhalininsk
        Sakhalininsk 4 October 2012 09: 42 New
        13
        As they say with such friends for .ui and the museum.
        Georgia has long played the role of a crazy prostitute, and indeed, God bless her with this Georgia. Let the people of this country live as they want.
        Although I will not hide, I would very much like to see their minifuhrer hanged on his chewed tie.
        1. Fox 070
          Fox 070 4 October 2012 11: 55 New
          +3
          Quote: Sakhalininets
          I'd love to see their minifuhrer hanged on his chewed tie.

          laughing It can’t stand it, it will tear. No wonder he chewed it!
          1. wasjasibirjac
            wasjasibirjac 4 October 2012 19: 08 New
            +1
            he only used the tip, the rest is still strong
        2. Gluxar
          Gluxar 4 October 2012 14: 43 New
          +1
          The fact is that the people have certain expectations. And if changes do not follow, that is, the precedent of a change of power, both by force, and now legitimate.
    3. AIvanA
      AIvanA 4 October 2012 16: 23 New
      0
      I agree, horseradish is not sweeter, amers in their patrimony will not allow anyone who is not loyal to the United States to come to power, so there is no reason to expect a major change in Georgia’s policy, but how come it closer to Russia?
    4. Kaa
      Kaa 4 October 2012 18: 11 New
      +2
      Quote: Vadivak
      Boy, girl, what a difference .....

      Yes, in principle, no ... there is a piptik, and there are pads ... but the goal and the owners are the same - "Ivanishvili calls the goal of Georgian policy integration with Europe, intends to continue restoring the territorial integrity of Georgia and declares that" nothing will not replace NATO. ”http://www.echo.msk.ru/news/937129-echo.html
      Just comrade Saakhov, chewing a tie, has already become boring to the public ... so, a change of scenery and clowns! negative
    5. ramzes1776
      ramzes1776 5 October 2012 17: 45 New
      0
      I stupidly bought myself a position and sat down on Misha. And the "famous" video in prison during his ordering. I think that nothing will change in relation to Russia from the "change of places of the terms"!
  2. volcano
    volcano 4 October 2012 09: 22 New
    16
    I think that, in principle, nothing will change ... And our euphoria from Misha’s merging, too ..... the USA has hooked on Georgia and will not let go .... This is really their outpost in the Caucasus .... right next to it in Russia ..... well, a very tasty sweetie ... next could be something like the following ...... systematic work begins to discredit Ivanishvili ...... the Sahaki party is again gaining weight and popularity among the people ..... everything .... for the next election .... Bear on horseback and becomes the prime minister .....

    And by the way .... in our country, according to the "plan", Putin handed the chair over to the Bear, and here Misha allegedly lost and was merged, but it is very likely that he will return soon .... it was not in vain that he pushed the change of President to Prime Minister .. .... You can be the prime minister as much as you can ... if only they chose ... And the West acted cunningly and beautifully ....... showed us that the elections are democratic ... you see even our protege lost and resigned .. ..... but in fact .... is ready to deliver a bottle that by the next elections Ivanishvili and his party will be discredited and lose the "trust" of the people, and Mishka will once again be on horseback ....

    Yes, and 70% of the population wants to join NATO, which is a lot to be honest ...... Georgia and I are clearly not on the way.
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 4 October 2012 09: 41 New
      +4
      Quote: volkan
      And our euphoria from draining Misha


      What euphoria? For whom? Although there are probably youngsters who are interested in a change of power
      1. volcano
        volcano 4 October 2012 09: 56 New
        +1
        Quote: Vadivak
        What euphoria? For whom?


        Well, for whom is Vadim? Good morning to you.

        We were all happy about it yesterday ... there were comments ..... now now ....

        and today I tried to hint that everything is going according to plan ..... everything is going according to plan ...
        1. Vadivak
          Vadivak 4 October 2012 10: 00 New
          +2
          Quote: volkan
          We were all happy yesterday

          Hello Andrew, I was not happy, because I know that the banker will still be in power
          1. DYMITRY
            DYMITRY 4 October 2012 10: 50 New
            +4
            Well, judging from the joyful recognition of the election results at the Phishington Regional Committee, the new Georgian will continue to pursue Mishiko’s policies. So what kind of euphoria can we talk about?
            As the saying goes, how the shit is different from shit.
            1. Gluxar
              Gluxar 4 October 2012 14: 57 New
              +3
              Why not rejoice at Obama? For the United States, mishiko was a suitcase without a handle, for which it had to pay dearly. This is also Bush's legacy. Obama now has one less problem, and the rating is higher thanks to the "triumph of democracy" in Georgia. Once again, it is clear that there is nothing in the world more important than the rating of the US President on the eve of the elections, at least for the United States itself. Everything else is consumable.
          2. volcano
            volcano 4 October 2012 11: 08 New
            0
            Quote: Vadivak
            Hello Andrew, I was not happy, because I know that the banker will still be in power


            Lucky for you .. probably some kind of tricky formula is laughing

            But I honestly didn’t expect it ... it’s like I had to merge Misha, but I didn’t really believe .... so I was surprised ..... well, but in principle, nothing will change, I wrote above .
        2. 1976AG
          1976AG 4 October 2012 11: 06 New
          +1
          What are you all about emotions? We need to be more specific. Why do we welcome the change of leadership of Georgia? Because the current president, the figure is clearly inadequate and prone to adventures (and very tragic). Against this background, any new leader of Georgia will be preferable, regardless of who he promises to get closer with - Russia or the United States. The interstate relations of Russia and Georgia are so bad that they have nowhere to worsen, which means they can either not change or improve. Proceeding from this, for Russia in this situation, anyway, there are more pluses than minuses. Moreover, I believe that now Russia should not miss the moment to initiate an international trial of Saakashvili. This is beneficial to Russia for at least two reasons:
          firstly, Russia has repeatedly stated in its time that it will seek to bring Saakashvili to criminal responsibility and this would indicate that Russia has words that do not differ from deeds,
          secondly, the presentation by the international community of evidence of the crimes of Georgia would put an end to the ambiguous interpretation of those events by the wide international community.
          This would be a serious Russian offensive in the information war, which is ongoing, and would contribute to the growth of Russia's authority in the eyes of all peoples.
        3. Fox 070
          Fox 070 4 October 2012 17: 28 New
          0
          Quote: volkan
          ..everything goes according to plan...

          drinks
    2. Ascetic
      Ascetic 4 October 2012 12: 57 New
      +9
      Quote: volkan
      .And our euphoria from draining Misha, too ...


      The eory that the billionaire Bidzina Ivanishvili is an independent political figure is from the field of unscientific fiction ...
      First, the he is not a citizen of Georgia, he has a passport of a citizen of France.
      Second, the The courage with which Ivanishvili went to the polls indicates that he was promised not to repeat stories with another billionaire and Georgian opposition leader Badri Patarkatsishvili, who was eliminated in 2008 by circles, “Not inclined to reveal their real role in world affairs”
      Third, Ivanishvili “repaid” all of his Russian assets (and he made his fortune in Russia), so as not to be considered an “agent of Moscow”. More precisely, he transferred them to the West. This is a very special topic, but one thing is clear: in the fight against corruption and tax evasion in the West, the European banking system no longer knows any secrets of private deposits, which means that Ivanishvili could not help but sell his soul to “circles not inclined to ...” in exchange for the inviolability of his currency reserve
      And, presumably, received main instruction: the position of frenzied hostility towards Russia needs to be changed. She is unpromising. Georgia will return to the role of distributing the "pink revolution" in the Caucasus. And all this is in line with global politics "Circles not inclined ..."
    3. Gluxar
      Gluxar 4 October 2012 14: 55 New
      +1
      The fact is that from 2008 for the United States, Georgia turned into a tweet on the ass. At least the current elite needs to be merged because it has completely compromised itself. And what will happen with the new will be decided in a new round of the struggle for Georgia.
      Provocations are possible, but even more possible is the emergence of many investigative checks on the work of the "Mishiko regime", like prison torture. Archives of political assassinations may be raised. The former defense minister, who from France promised to testify a couple of years ago, will return to the country. Saakashvili can be impeached and then brought to trial for him and his supporters. Now there is already infa that the "most democratized" are already hastily leaving Georgia.

      http://izvestia.ru/news/536854

      In 2013, power will pass to parliament, and elections were just in it. So there’s no way to become Sahaki’s prime minister. Unfortunately, the West failed in Georgia, as well as in Ukraine. A little kept in Central Asia, but not for long, and there. So this is a trend.

      As regards statistics for Georgia, as Mishiko ministers believed 70%, then after recounting 20% ​​may not be gained. In any case, the situation in Georgia has been discharged; Karabakh is on the agenda.
  3. Ragnarek
    Ragnarek 4 October 2012 09: 24 New
    +7
    radish horseradish is not sweeter. absolutely no matter who is at the helm in Georgia. I really hope that Russia will only have economic relations with this country and only taking into account its interests
  4. Owl
    Owl 4 October 2012 09: 33 New
    14
    As they were the enemy of Russia, they will remain so. The former sponsor - the old tasks remain.
    1. Gluxar
      Gluxar 4 October 2012 15: 00 New
      0
      The sponsor is already bankrupt. I think the banker understands this.
  5. omsbon
    omsbon 4 October 2012 09: 34 New
    +4
    I do not believe them all and everyone individually.
    I don’t want fake Borjomi and sour wine! Today, Georgia needs friendship with us and we will be kissed in the ass, and tomorrow Amers will entice them and they will spit in our face!
  6. sichevik
    sichevik 4 October 2012 09: 38 New
    11
    We don’t need such friends. Better be enemies. Cheaper cost.
    1. BARKAS
      BARKAS 4 October 2012 09: 55 New
      +4
      I agree worse than Shevardnadze for Russia there was no one there.
      1. Gluxar
        Gluxar 4 October 2012 15: 01 New
        0
        Under Shevarnadze, Russia was with Borisko.
  7. Trailer
    Trailer 4 October 2012 09: 39 New
    +5
    Bear, greetings from colleagues from the revolutionary Ukraine and Kyrgyzstan!
    1. stariy
      stariy 4 October 2012 22: 54 New
      0
      Quote: Karavan
      Bear, greetings from colleagues from the revolutionary Ukraine and Kyrgyzstan!

      And join in!
  8. itr
    itr 4 October 2012 09: 43 New
    +1
    Do you think he emigrates to the United States or not ???
    1. Trailer
      Trailer 4 October 2012 09: 46 New
      0
      Of course he emigrates, up to the moment when Georgia will begin to turn over from the West, and they will need a new legitimate leader of the country, living abroad!
    2. Letun
      Letun 4 October 2012 10: 55 New
      0
      Quote: itr
      Do you think he emigrates to the United States or not ???

      This thought also occurred to me immediately after the announcement of the election results. smile Most likely, yes, after all his "democratic" ways of communicating with the opposition, he will definitely not be sweet in Georgia.
    3. Gluxar
      Gluxar 4 October 2012 15: 02 New
      +1
      The next day, how impeachment will be initiated.
    4. AIvanA
      AIvanA 4 October 2012 16: 26 New
      +1
      Most likely he will go back, home to America, he completed work in Georgia - the Moor did his job, until the next business trip to Georgia.
    5. ded
      ded 4 October 2012 16: 58 New
      0
      Do you think he emigrates to the United States or not ???


      What is there to think? Of course he will return to the USA, to his native state of Georgia.
      1. strannik595
        strannik595 4 October 2012 18: 12 New
        +3
        Bear, Bear, where is your smile, full of enthusiasm and fire, the most ridiculous mistake, Bear, that you leave me crying
    6. ramzes1776
      ramzes1776 5 October 2012 17: 52 New
      0
      Quote: itr
      Do you think he emigrates to the United States or not ???

      So this same temporary worker was mishandled. He also worked home overseas. It is interesting, but where does comrade Yushchenko live now?
  9. sergo0000
    sergo0000 4 October 2012 09: 51 New
    +2
    The trouble for us is that this money bag will not turn out to be as stupid as Mishiko. And with a smart adversary, we must have an equally smart government and parliament. In general, we shouldn't be too deluded about this Ivanishvilli.
    1. 1976AG
      1976AG 4 October 2012 11: 18 New
      0
      Clever may not become an adversary. It is more profitable to cooperate, rather than fight.
  10. Geokingxnumx
    Geokingxnumx 4 October 2012 09: 52 New
    -6
    say that you don’t know anything (or you don’t know well)
    1. Don
      Don 4 October 2012 13: 57 New
      +2
      Quote: GEOKING95
      say that you don’t know anything (or you don’t know well)

      And why do we not know this?
    2. AIvanA
      AIvanA 4 October 2012 16: 28 New
      +3
      Probably we do not know the secret military secret of Saakashvili?
  11. JonnyT
    JonnyT 4 October 2012 09: 59 New
    +2
    The past cannot be returned! There will be no equality and fraternity between Russia and Georgia! There can only be a mutually beneficial relationship!
    1. Gluxar
      Gluxar 4 October 2012 15: 03 New
      0
      What makes you think that you can’t return anything? Now in Germany, Arabs and Negroes are already a third of the white population. And when it was completely different ...
      1. wasjasibirjac
        wasjasibirjac 4 October 2012 19: 13 New
        0
        Quote: Gluxar
        What makes you think that you can’t return anything? Now in Germany, Arabs and Negroes are already a third of the white population. And when it was completely different ...

        here and try to return all Arabs and Negroes to where they were earlier. TAKE CARE
  12. mongoose
    mongoose 4 October 2012 10: 00 New
    +4
    Who cares who is the boss in Georgia? then what matters to us? Russophobes they were always
    1. Fox 070
      Fox 070 4 October 2012 10: 50 New
      +9
      Quote: mongoose
      Russophobes they were always

      Not so often, I agree with you, Dmitry, but now is just the case. And I not only agree, but let me add: not only Russophobes, but also professional parasites who (despising the Russians) received the largest subsidies in the USSR, and after its collapse they sat on the neck of the United States and continue to ride it. And as they say in the Caucasus: "In whose cart you sit, sing that song!" And they know how to sing in Georgia! winked
    2. Gluxar
      Gluxar 4 October 2012 15: 05 New
      0
      They have such a fate. It has always been a buffer for Russia from the South. And there we always had enemies. But the buffer for that and the buffer in order to absorb external aggression into itself, it can be deployed 180 degrees if desired.
  13. Geokingxnumx
    Geokingxnumx 4 October 2012 10: 04 New
    -7
    Quote: mongoose
    Russophobes they were always

    laughing and how do you prove that we have always been Russophobia?
    and it is said in Russia that in Georgia All Russians are killed, they are raped from time to time, etc.
    1. borisst64
      borisst64 4 October 2012 10: 23 New
      +5
      I haven’t heard this so that Russians are killed in Georgia. And in Russia, Georgians live quietly, I went to a restaurant last weekend, where the owner is Georgians, and Georgian dishes and the atmosphere inside is appropriate. The problem is the government of Georgia, which for many years has been doing everything possible so that Russians and Georgians see enemies in each other. And, judging by the comments on this article, the result is already there.
      1. Geokingxnumx
        Geokingxnumx 4 October 2012 11: 13 New
        -4
        Quote: borisst64
        The problem in the government of Georgia

        sense of the government of Georgia?
        Quote: borisst64
        so that Russians and Georgians see enemies in each other

        wrong)
        Quote: Letun
        True? Damn, or I do not live in Russia, or one of two

        Well, I don’t know we are called Russophobes)

        Quote: Magadan
        If Georgian peacekeepers were then killed in Chechnya, then Georgians would have the full moral right to oppose Russia.

        it means that we had the right to start military action against the separatists because on 6-7 of August 2 Georgian peacekeepers were killed!
        Quote: Vodrak
        Dear GEOKING95, talk not about Georgians as a nation, talk about the government in Georgia. Russia remembers Bagration, for example, and honors it.

        well that honor. Heroes must be respected! but Bagration is your Heroes and not ours!

        n, c comment limit has ended

        "I just want those who see Georgia not only on TV to express their opinions."
        it's me )
        1. hohryakov066
          hohryakov066 4 October 2012 13: 03 New
          +7
          Dear GEOKING95! You again forget that Georgia, against the background of Russia, does not even pull on a serious area. Regarding the Heroes, General Bagration probably does not give you peace. Yes, there was such a thing in our common history. It's been true for a long time. But 08.08.08. It was quite recently. Personally, I was offended when our army stopped, and did not sweep to Tiflis. You've been waiting for this! Even proudly scared in advance. I am offended that the guys with whom life once brought me together (Georgians) may think like you. Understand - you yourself are strenuously forming a negative attitude towards yourself among young Russians! Well, leave you to cling to Russia for all sorts of reasons and without! While a generation is still alive in Russia and Georgia, which perceives each other as "not enemies" You can live in peace, but soon the generation of those for whom Georgia is a small and greyhound country with nothing but a greyhound behind its soul will take the helm! And you will be steered by those who cannot say anything good about Russia! Then the northern animal with valuable fur will come to you! And NATO will not help!
        2. Don
          Don 4 October 2012 14: 00 New
          0
          Quote: GEOKING95
          sense of the government of Georgia?

          Of course. From the very beginning, it took a hostile position towards the Russian Federation.
          Quote: GEOKING95
          wrong)

          So what is borisst64 wrong about? In every Sahak speech, he sprinkles Russophobian bile.
          1. Geokingxnumx
            Geokingxnumx 4 October 2012 14: 34 New
            +1
            Quote: Don
            Of course. From the very beginning, it took a hostile position towards the Russian Federation.

            true ) ? maybe from 2003 year to 2008 year write a fragment of the Chechens we delayed for Rossi and a fragment made)?
            Quote: Don
            In every Sahak speech, he sprinkles Russophobian bile.

            Sahak is not a country or a people!

            "Trading is in their blood and not only in the markets."
            you confuse us with the Armenians! This is an excellent trade Armenians are not us!
            1. Don
              Don 4 October 2012 15: 36 New
              0
              Quote: GEOKING95
              true ) ? maybe from 2003 year to 2008 year write a fragment of the Chechens we delayed for Rossi and a fragment made)?

              I searched. Have not found.
              Quote: GEOKING95
              Sahak is not a country or a people!

              And we are not talking about the people. We are talking about a representative of the country. And this representative of yours, a Russophobe, does everything that the Russians and Georgians hate each other, and this he partially succeeds in.
            2. AIvanA
              AIvanA 4 October 2012 16: 39 New
              0
              Misha is not a people, he’s not even from Georgia, he’s from America, and the people support him in his hatred of Russia, and you don’t need to confuse you with the Armenians, there are enough organized Georgian groups in Moscow, but there are Russian groups in Georgia?
        3. AIvanA
          AIvanA 4 October 2012 16: 32 New
          +2
          It’s in Chechnya that Georgian peacekeepers were, but don’t tell my slippers, although there were peacekeepers from all over the world, moreover, without UN sanction and mainly through forests.
        4. Armata
          Armata 4 October 2012 19: 35 New
          +1
          Quote: GEOKING95
          wrong)
          Sorry dear, but not mistaken. They made sure that we did not like each other. Do you know why? If your tie-bearer hadn’t pursued such an extremist policy, they could have treated Georgians better. Now get what you deserve.
    2. Letun
      Letun 4 October 2012 10: 57 New
      -1
      Quote: GEOKING95
      and it is said in Russia that in Georgia All Russians are killed, they are raped from time to time, etc.

      True? Damn, or I do not live in Russia, or one of two lol
    3. Vadivak
      Vadivak 4 October 2012 11: 16 New
      +3
      Quote: GEOKING95
      and how do you prove that we have always been Russophobia



      Mamardashvili Merab Konstantinovich about Russians

      "The Russians, no matter where they moved - as Cossacks to Baikal or Kamchatka, they were even brought to Alaska and, thank God, sold it on time, and today it did not turn out to be the abomination into which they would most likely have turned it, - where no matter how they moved, they carried slavery on their backs "

      .
    4. 1976AG
      1976AG 4 October 2012 11: 23 New
      0
      I also believe that one representative cannot be judged on the whole people. Shit is found in everyone. Emotions are emotions, but we must try to be realistic.
      1. Fox 070
        Fox 070 4 October 2012 11: 47 New
        +1
        Quote: 1976AG
        Shit is found in everyone.

        Here are just the average indicator of this "crap" in Georgia is "somewhat" higher than that of its neighbors. Indeed, one must be realistic.
        1. 1976AG
          1976AG 4 October 2012 11: 57 New
          0
          Why, if only it concerned Georgia! Over the past 20 years, the US’s anti-Russian influence has spread so much that now only a lazy barrel does not roll against Russia. And now a new generation has grown up that unconditionally believes in the states and considers Russia the source of all ills. How to deal with this?
          1. Fox 070
            Fox 070 4 October 2012 12: 04 New
            +1
            Quote: 1976AG
            Why, if only Georgia concerned

            This is indisputable! In general, the post-Soviet space abounds in the number of these "barrels" and the desire to cash in on Russian-American contradictions. Just be curious ...

            2 October 2012, 13: 51
            Russia and Azerbaijan cannot yet agree even on a temporary agreement on the lease of the Gabala radar station, a military diplomatic source said on Tuesday.
            “The compromise decision proposed by the Russian side on signing an interim lease agreement for two to three years on the previous financial conditions does not suit Baku. It is very likely that no agreement will be signed, and Russia will refuse to lease the station, ”an Interfax source said.

            He also said that, in this case, measures had been taken in Russia to expedite the introduction of a new radar station built near Armavir into the combat forces of the aerospace defense.
            “It is possible that by the end of the year the Armavir station, which is on pilot combat duty, will fully begin to cover the southern missile-hazardous direction, which today is in the zone of responsibility of the Gabala radar station,” the source said.
            According to the newspaper VZGLYAD, on September 28, sources close to the negotiations informed that the rent of the Gabala radar station could be extended for a short period - two to three years.
            The dispute over the fate of the Russian base in Azerbaijan has been dragging on since last year. Moscow hoped to reach a new treaty by June. So, at the beginning of the year, Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov assured that the parties had no serious disagreements on this issue. “There are no fundamental problems on the issue of rent, and the delegations of the two countries must agree,” he emphasized.

            However, it later became known that Baku had set Moscow a too high rental price tag. In particular, it was about increasing payments from the current $ 7 million to $ 300 million a year.
            In Russia, such requirements were called overstated. Military sources, in particular, called the multiple increase in rental costs unreasonable, noting that the amount requested by Azerbaijan would be enough to build two new similar stations. Subsequently, in Moscow they started talking about the fact that Russia would completely abandon Gabala. “Due to the circumstances, according to the Russian Ministry of Defense, the Russian side has no alternative but to leave Gabala,” informed sources said.
            In Baku, however, such a sharp increase in rent was explained by the fact that the area in which the radar is located is of tourist value.
            At the same time, observers noted that Moscow could theoretically find an alternative to Gabala. As such an option, the Voronezh radar in Armavir was called.
            1. 1976AG
              1976AG 4 October 2012 12: 16 New
              0
              This I can’t understand at all! It's one thing to get the price, knowing that we have no alternative, but in this case !!! In theory, on the contrary, they should have made concessions, it is better to have so much money than nothing at all.
              1. Fox 070
                Fox 070 4 October 2012 12: 31 New
                +1
                Quote: 1976AG
                It's one thing to get the price

                Trading in their blood and not only in the markets. The president of the merchants and his policies cannot be different.
      2. whispering
        whispering 4 October 2012 14: 47 New
        0
        I also believe that one representative cannot be judged on the whole people.1976AG,
        why isn’t this possible? ... 70 percent of the population there for joining NATO .... it’s not only the government ....
    5. AIvanA
      AIvanA 4 October 2012 16: 31 New
      0
      Once, they went to Georgia as friends, but now I wouldn’t go, because your prezik declared the Russians enemies, that's all.
  14. Skavron
    Skavron 4 October 2012 10: 10 New
    0
    It would be interesting to listen to the opinions of people directly living in Georgia and Ossetia.
    1. Fox 070
      Fox 070 4 October 2012 10: 41 New
      +1
      Quote: Skavron
      It would be interesting to listen

      Listen to georking, he can tell you a lot of "interesting" things. laughing
      1. Skavron
        Skavron 4 October 2012 11: 03 New
        0
        He is not alone ... I think there are more on this site.
        I’m just for the opinions expressed by those who not only see Georgia on TV.
        1. Fox 070
          Fox 070 4 October 2012 11: 13 New
          +1
          Quote: Skavron
          I’m just for the opinions expressed by those who not only see Georgia on TV.

          I served in Georgia and in the Caucasus in general for many years, so I know this region not by hearsay, but as a result of official necessity, so to speak, take my word for it, in the case of Georgia, there is almost no misinformation on our TV, except , several overestimated estimates of the loyalty of the Georgian population to Russia. I do not take into account the statements of Georgian citizens living in our country, here (as you understand) sincerity and does not smell.
          1. Skavron
            Skavron 4 October 2012 13: 07 New
            0
            I once read a report in LJ by one famous Russian blogger and traveler Sergey Doli about Georgia. So he did not notice any special Russophobic views. On the contrary, he was struck by the hospitality of the Georgians. And these are those people who do not know him as a blogger, for example.
            You can drive "Sergey Dolya" into a search engine and read it.
            1. Fox 070
              Fox 070 4 October 2012 13: 26 New
              +1
              Quote: Skavron
              was struck by the cordiality of the Georgians.

              The hospitality of Georgians and their Russophobia do not intersect with each other, and this is a peculiarity of their mentality. You can be received and escorted with ostentatious respect, and behind that, a bunch of nasty things can be said behind your back. I'm not kidding. In the Caucasus, there is a law according to which even the krovnik who gets into your house has the right to protection from other enemies. The owner is obliged to protect him, to drink, to feed, as his best friend, but only as long as he is inside the house. As soon as he crosses the threshold and goes out into the street, you are free to shoot him yourself and no one will condemn you. This law defines many aspects of life and life in the Caucasus.
              So do not flatter yourself about cordiality. It's just that they sacredly honor their laws.
  15. Leisure
    Leisure 4 October 2012 10: 37 New
    +5
    The elections in Georgia are of no more interest to me than the elections in Honduras, or where else.
  16. Fox 070
    Fox 070 4 October 2012 10: 37 New
    +2
    The West, with the help of these very democratic norms, which, as it turned out, can be easily manipulated, simply "leaked" Mikhail Nikolozovich. "Leaked" as calmly as Viktor Yushchenko, who at one time also zealously embodied Western ideas,

    This was exactly what had to be proved (to the question that the United States does not abandon its allies). And I do not think that the course of the "new" Georgian leadership will be more sane, because in fact only the "doll" will change, and the "puppeteer" remains the same. So you shouldn't relax. In the "face" of Georgia, we have forever lost not only an ally, but also a decent neighbor, and this must be recognized. negative
  17. Leisure
    Leisure 4 October 2012 10: 39 New
    +4
    Save us from another "friendship".
  18. Vodrak
    Vodrak 4 October 2012 10: 50 New
    0
    and how do you prove that we have always been Russophobia?

    Dear GEOKING95, talk not about Georgians as a nation, talk about the government in Georgia. Russia remembers Bagration, for example, and honors it.
  19. Magadan
    Magadan 4 October 2012 11: 10 New
    +4
    Quote: Vodrak
    Russia remembers Bagration, for example, and honors it.

    And not only Bagration. I think the story of Stalin will put everything in its place!
    It is a pity that such crap in relations with Georgia turned out. The Georgians, speaking of South Ossetia and Abkhazia, gave us an example on the forum with Chechnya, saying that if they intervened in the Chechen conflict, what would we say then. I wanted to answer a little belatedly:
    If Georgian peacekeepers would be killed then in Chechnya, then the Georgians would have every moral right to speak out against Russia.
  20. NAV-STAR
    NAV-STAR 4 October 2012 11: 34 New
    0
    Here are some interesting events in Georgia.
    The Ukrainian media is promoting Georgia so much, let them comment on it.
    1. Don
      Don 4 October 2012 14: 02 New
      0
      Quote: NAV-STAR
      The Ukrainian media is promoting Georgia so much, let them comment on it.

      And PR is not deserved.
  21. wax
    wax 4 October 2012 11: 42 New
    +4
    Instead of checkers on the status of Abkhazia and South Ossetia will be chess.
  22. Gorchakov
    Gorchakov 4 October 2012 12: 17 New
    +6
    Nobody Saakashvilli merged, it was planned ... The coming to power of a democratic billionaire is predictable after the dictator’s reign .... It’s almost impossible to fix what Mishiko has awarded ... It’s possible that Ivanishvilli will be able to return diplomatic relations with Russia, perhaps he will be more diplomatic in his statements about Russia and its president, but the fee for this should be the weakening of control over Abkhazia and South Ossetia .... The goal is still the same - the reunification of Georgia .... The mechanisms to achieve this goal will change ... Saakashvilli played the role of the enemy, but Ivanishvilli will play the role of a strategic partner, with readiness at any time, by order of the United States, to stick a knife in our back ... Georgia will not be a friendly country for us in the near future ... I think and do not.....
    1. Gluxar
      Gluxar 4 October 2012 15: 21 New
      +2
      Tell me, what are the levers of influence of Georgia on Russia's decision on the issue of Abkhazia and South Ossetia ?? Who even begins to exaggerate this topic?
      Look at the whole situation above. Georgia is Georgia, this is not NATO and not the United States. It is very difficult to put the Russian Federation and Georgia on the same level of the political board. The issue of normalizing trade relations for Russia is tantamount to repairing the Astrakhan-Pyatigorsk road, even much lower. For Georgia, this is a matter of national survival. If we remove all the artificial "infrastructural pumping" of Georgia, then there is simply no real economy left there, its level will not even be enough to pay interest on loans, not to mention some kind of development.
      As for possible cooperation on some kind of infrastructure projects, Russia has HUNDREDS of alternatives both on its territory and in the countries of the Customs / Eurasian Union, which in turn is again much more interesting than investing in Georgia. For Georgia, without a Russian consent, it is not possible to implement a single large project in hydropower and the fuel and energy sector.
      Politically and the needs of the people, the Russians do not need Georgia. In resort terms, it is much more profitable to travel to Sochi than to Georgia.

      So who is interested in what? Where are there any prerequisites for trade on the part of Russia?
      1. v53993
        v53993 4 October 2012 19: 37 New
        +2
        Quote: Gluxar
        Where are there any prerequisites for trade on the part of Russia?

        What can Georgia offer Russia today? Tangerines? There are enough Abkhazian people there.
        1. ramzes1776
          ramzes1776 5 October 2012 18: 02 New
          0
          Quote: v53993
          What can Georgia offer Russia today? Tangerines? There are enough Abkhazian people there.

          But what about wine and mineral water laughing
      2. 1976AG
        1976AG 4 October 2012 21: 54 New
        +1
        There were different presidents in Georgia, but none of them, I noticed an interest in the development of the economy. It seems to me that the habit of living for free determines their entire policy. When implementing some joint projects, they would have to do something themselves, but they are not used to working. So it's easier to run errands for the states and get "ungulates" for it.
      3. ramzes1776
        ramzes1776 5 October 2012 18: 00 New
        0
        Quote: Gluxar
        So who is interested in what? Where are there any prerequisites for trade on the part of Russia?

        But what about wine with mineral water laughing
  23. strannik595
    strannik595 4 October 2012 13: 01 New
    0
    Putin is president again, and your balls, Misha, are in great danger
  24. Pit Bull59
    Pit Bull59 4 October 2012 13: 57 New
    +5
    Quote: GEOKING95
    it means that we had the right to start military action against the separatists because on 6-7 of August 2 Georgian peacekeepers were killed!

    Where is this, and most importantly, WHO - killed your peacekeepers? And if this is so, then they were overwhelmed by the South Ossetians - there is nothing to be disgraceful on their land! Remember history, dear! Remember the genocide of Georgia in relation to South Ossetia! And they hate you because of your SahakSPILI-VILI and the hedgehog with him! You will already figure out who the Georgians need more - the USA with their "democracy" or another power!
    1. Geokingxnumx
      Geokingxnumx 4 October 2012 14: 40 New
      -2
      Quote: Pit Bull59
      Where is this, and most importantly, WHO - killed your peacekeepers? And if this is so, then they were overwhelmed by the South Ossetians - there is nothing to be disgraceful on their land! Remember history, dear! Remember the genocide of Georgia in relation to South Ossetia! And they hate you because of your SahakSPILI-VILI and the hedgehog with him! You will already figure out who the Georgians need more - the USA with their "democracy" or another power!

      1) the separatists killed at whom there were minomoty (well, did Kato give them?)
      2) what land? Ossetia is North Ossetia. There was always Ossetia about not in the Tskhinvali region!
      3) what genocide? Can we recall what happened in Gagra?
      Quote: Pit Bull59
      You will already figure out who the Georgians need more - the USA with their "democracy" or another power!

      Your Yeltsin has already betrayed us first. Helping Abkhazian separatists live in force and weapons and technology. Then there was a ceasefire agreement! that Georgian heavy equipment is out of work and Sukhumi! we fulfilled this agreement and then attacked and seized Sukhumi!
      Quote: Pit Bull59
      And they hate you because of your SaakSHPILI-VILI and a hedgehog with him!

      well yes yes yes! Saakashvili on eggs will be deported! but there wasn’t any genocide)
      1. AIvanA
        AIvanA 4 October 2012 16: 45 New
        +1
        Dear, maybe I don’t understand what, but in Abkhazia, Georgian heroic warriors went with the slogan to free Abkhazia from the Abkhazians in any way, it’s clear that this is not genocide - it’s the distribution of gingerbread cookies, and Yeltsin soberly decided to help the Abkhazians survive, that’s a traitor, you think what are you writing? Although you have American democracy there and everyone who does not fall under it is the enemy, and Saakashvili is the guarantor of this.
        1. Simon
          Simon 5 October 2012 16: 12 New
          0
          And I want to add that in South Ossetia, Georgians from tanks shot Lada with women and children, shot at everything that moves, killed a pregnant woman. It is impossible to argue, as the Georgian tankers shot it themselves on the video. The only defenders of the local population against Georgian special forces were Russian peacekeepers and the local militia. And when the Russian units began to come to the aid of the peacekeepers, the vaunted Georgian army, brought up by amers, fled back to Georgia, having thrown their weapons. After all, they thought they would be at war with the civilian population, and here you are, the Russian army is marching. And you Georgians want to call it not the genocide of the Ossetian people. If it weren’t for our army, then it would certainly have cut out all the Ossetians. soldier
          1. Geokingxnumx
            Geokingxnumx 5 October 2012 23: 31 New
            0
            Quote: Simon

            And I want to add that in South Ossetia, Georgians from tanks shot Lada with women and children, shot at everything that moves, killed a pregnant woman. It is impossible to argue, as the Georgian tankers shot it themselves on the video.

            watch this video. I hope you don’t talk about the video from Kobri)
            Quote: Simon
            And you Georgians want to call it not the genocide of the Ossetian people. If it weren’t for our army, then it would certainly have cut out all the Ossetians.

            yes yes yes we would have slaughtered Ossetians and all of us are fascists and always were fascists
            but why?
      2. orfo
        orfo 4 October 2012 17: 42 New
        +1
        well yes yes yes! Saakashvili on eggs will be deported! but there wasn’t any genocide)


        given the number of vysers from his lips, there is nothing to be surprised about this attitude towards Georgians ...

        According to Russian law, quite.
        http://docs.pravo.ru/document/view/22/?line_id=1697&search_query=357+%D0%A3%D0%9



        A+%D0%A0%D0%A4&from_search=1

        Article 357.
        Genocide
        Actions aimed at the complete or partial destruction of a national, ethnic, racial or religious group as such by killing members of this group, causing serious harm to their health, forcible obstruction of childbearing, forced transfer of children, forced displacement or other creation of living conditionsdesigned for the physical destruction of members of this group -
        the applicable sentence is deprivation of liberty for a term of from twelve to twenty years, with restriction of liberty for a term of up to two years, or life imprisonment, or the death penalty.

        given the shelling of urban areas and hospitals in particular, the wounded and killed (I will not give data due to different estimates) and also refugees.


        hohryakov066 +1
      3. Armata
        Armata 4 October 2012 19: 41 New
        +4
        Quote: GEOKING95
        Your Yeltsin has already betrayed us first. Helping Abkhazian separatists with living forces and weapons and equipment
        And that everyone here loves him? So other times have come, and you still stand as a weak spot for the Yankees. Do not forget that they have same-sex marriage legalized. Not afraid of the whole country becoming their wives? laughing You don’t have to cover yourself up. Better come, apologize, repent. Then we will forgive you all (the Russians have such a nature).
  25. baltika-18
    baltika-18 4 October 2012 15: 32 New
    0
    He expressed his opinion the day before yesterday. Ivanishvili is even easier to manage than Mishiko.
  26. val-lev6369
    val-lev6369 4 October 2012 17: 37 New
    +3
    Why do we need these parasites?
    1. v53993
      v53993 4 October 2012 19: 54 New
      0
      Indeed, let them chew green candy wrappers (in which there is no candy promised by the states) like Mishiko’s tie. Someday they will understand that they slipped a shit. The USA regretted even 30 pieces of silver for Georgia, replacing it with a paper equivalent.
  27. Stasi.
    Stasi. 4 October 2012 20: 22 New
    +1
    Saakashvili is certainly sorry that his reign ended, but not too much. Now he will return to the States, and not to the poor, and somewhere to a warm place from the State Department. He is unsafe in Georgia now, political opponents will be happy to remind him of all the good. Rumor has it that the Americans sent marines to Georgia to evacuate Mishiko. Having come to power, Ivanishvili will have a double policy - like eating fish and ... not sitting down. But the whole point is that the possibilities of such a policy are quickly exhausted, sooner or later it will be necessary to choose with whom to be - with Russia or with the USA.
    1. 1976AG
      1976AG 4 October 2012 22: 02 New
      +3
      Immediately after Saakashvili resigns, you need to steal him, like the Americans of Bout and arrange a demonstration trial over him in South Ossetia. And then let them demand evidence of his guilt from us !!!
    2. Allegedly
      Allegedly 6 October 2012 13: 51 New
      0
      No states, steal like Mossad and judge for genocide and crimes against humanity ...
  28. Kyrgyz
    Kyrgyz 4 October 2012 21: 01 New
    0
    Ivanishvili will visually relieve tension in relations with Russia with empty words and promises, create the appearance of detente, in order to dull the European members' rejection of Georgia’s acceptance, and the US will be able to overcome the resistance of European allies who are afraid to take such a fire hazard and Georgia will join NATO. What's next HZ, probably Adjara will start to fall off, because they will accept it but not the fact that they will continue to pump up the loot.
    1. 1976AG
      1976AG 4 October 2012 22: 08 New
      0
      With unresolved territorial problems, Georgia will not be accepted into NATO. They are not as gullible as they sometimes expose themselves, and they also don’t need such a bomb.
  29. sergant89
    sergant89 4 October 2012 21: 34 New
    +1
    in short, they have the same thing as in the caricature
  30. I-16M
    I-16M 4 October 2012 22: 04 New
    +1
    In the USA, it has long been described who in Georgia will win what elections. One governor will be replaced by another. Mishka obviously did not work out all the money invested by the Americans. Put the successors.
    1. 1976AG
      1976AG 4 October 2012 22: 32 New
      +1
      But even if everything worked out, they would still have appointed successors, not to leave them without control.
      1. I-16M
        I-16M 5 October 2012 07: 22 New
        0
        You are right, Georgia has become a US colony. This is for a long time.
  31. SenyaYa
    SenyaYa 4 October 2012 23: 19 New
    -3
    ПCongratulations to the people of Georgia with the right choice! YOUNG PEOPLE THAT CHOOSE THE FUTURE !! AND MERRY HITLER
    1. 1976AG
      1976AG 5 October 2012 01: 37 New
      +1
      And they leaked Hitler and chose the future, not sure what they are. So let's not rush to congratulations. Ukrainians also think that they themselves choose the future ...
    2. Simon
      Simon 5 October 2012 16: 15 New
      0
      Ha! It is not known yet. Radish horseradish is not sweeter! fool
  32. Dema239
    Dema239 5 October 2012 03: 07 New
    0
    It seems to me, Mishiko pin ... shes merged quite clearly and thoughtfully and there is nothing positive about it. Mishiko was surrounded by the whole world with a gamble in Abkhazia and South Ossetia and this negative image of an unpredictable and aggressive horseman helped to some extent delay Georgia’s accession to NATO, because NATO member countries were in no hurry to accept a country so wet with Mishiko reputation. And with the new leader, unsullied by adventures, everything is much simpler and the road to NATO will be shorter. Eating Mishiko's ties with his luggage, he was simply not needed to implement the new US plans for Georgia and its integration into NATO. For these purposes, they found and brought to power a new figure .. IMHO
  33. Allegedly
    Allegedly 5 October 2012 03: 22 New
    +1
    Why will Saakashvili never be hired by an air traffic controller?

    Answer:

    You cannot faint at this job when planes fly from above.
  34. wolverine7778
    wolverine7778 5 October 2012 07: 09 New
    0
    Why Mishiko didn’t use an administrative resource during the elections, there were ample opportunities, there was stuffing ballots, a carousel, etc., you could ask someone to ask how to do this, all the same he is unambiguously afraid of the people request
    1. Allegedly
      Allegedly 5 October 2012 23: 00 New
      0
      He is a waste material, badly affects the karma of the image laughing .
  35. Huseyn
    Huseyn 5 October 2012 10: 33 New
    0
    Quote "If Ivanishvili suddenly declared that he was ready to completely abandon the idea of ​​Georgia’s joining NATO, then this would provoke a clear protest from almost 70% of the country's population who voted not so long ago for active integration with the alliance."In order for Medvedev and Putin, or rather, on the contrary, to like everything, it is necessary to merge these 70% of the population, and not Mishiko. So far, the entire Georgian population has been merged from South Ossetia, following Abkhazia, and what 170 thousand Georgians in Russia can we talk about and what love if it hurt more?
    Ivanishvili, only castling, another candy wrapper, and the sweetie still bitter for Russia, in fact, as the nail was in ..., it remained. Do not forget that years have passed and the Georgians are used to living in a relatively normal country, albeit poor, but where there is no cop and bureaucratic arbitrariness, a video about their prison, that only a children's cartoon, compared to the situation in the Russian zones, is already taking them to the streets, think ...
    Nothing will change, the bombed airfields, obviously not for a couple of Su-25 attack aircraft of the Georgian Air Force, have already been restored (the cost of equipment lost by Georgia, or rather its partners, etc., can not be compared with the cost of one Tu-22 ...) , so it remains to wait for the F-16 countries of the alliance to take off from them and patrol the skies of Georgia, as well as the Baltic countries.
    Well, either they will have to arrange another shelling of more non-existent peacekeepers and occupy the whole of Georgia, or at least dream about it, saying that in the event of an aggravation of the situation in the South Caucasus, Russia will be forced to do this to support its group in Armenia and blah ...
    The entire population of the other two republics of Transcaucasia cites life and order in Georgia as an example to each other, so the "showcase of democracy" is more important than it seems at first glance. Now the "odious" Saakashvili, who played his role, will leave, a new one will come, everything will be positioned as in good old Europe and protest moods in neighboring states will intensify even more. People just no longer want to live like a beast, is there any point in not taking advantage of the same States, albeit in their own interests? At least this is better for the population than if Russia brings another puppet dictator to power.
  36. Uncle Serozha
    Uncle Serozha 5 October 2012 23: 19 New
    +1
    The United States' support for Georgia serves several purposes, but one of them is the most important. This, of course, is the absence of a common border between Russia and Armenia. In the event of the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict, we will need to support Armenia in order to prevent the emergence of "Grand Azerbaijan".
    In the event of a strike on Iran and its fragmentation into separate states, 25-30 million Azerbaijanis living in the north of Iran are likely to dissociate themselves from the former metropolis. And they will either create their own state, or become part of Azerbaijan. Both will mean huge economic losses for Russia - the routes of energy carriers to Western Europe will be diversified, and the "de-democratized" Iran will become a new source of energy.
    All this can be avoided by having a "direct path" to Armenia. This is exactly what they are trying to not give us ... Will they succeed, we'll see and we'll see.
  37. bistrov.
    bistrov. 6 October 2012 08: 40 New
    +2
    It is clear that the United States decided to replace Saakashvili, who had become too odious a figure and made a "reset" on Ivanishvili, who is essentially the same pro-American, and even a billionaire. All this is presented under a "democratic" sauce, in fact, well-known political technologies, nothing more. What kind of democracy can we talk about if the Georgian people are dragging out a miserable existence, in Georgia itself there are fewer working Georgians than abroad, scanty salaries and pensions, less than the subsistence level, and even those are paid from American handouts?