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"Dassault Aviation" handed over to the French Ministry of Defense the first fighter "Rafale" with the RBE2 radar

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Dassault Aviation 2 of October handed over to the General Directorate of Armament (DGA) of the French Defense Ministry the first Rafale fighter, equipped with an active scanning radar with electronic scanning antenna RBE2 of Thales company.


The transfer of the Rafale fighter (BN C137), equipped with a new radar, took place at the enterprise Dassau Aviation in Merignac (near Bordeaux).

RBE2 has a number of advantages compared to the radar with a passive antenna array currently installed on Rafale fighters:

- extended range to ensure the possibility of using the latest generation long-range missiles, including the Air-to-Air Meteor missile combined with the ability to detect unobtrusive targets;

- higher reliability at lower cost (active antenna array does not require major repairs during 10 years);

- increased resistance to interference.

Thus, the “Rafale” became the first mass-produced European combat aircraft equipped with an active phased-array radar with electronic scanning.

Currently, Dassault is ahead of other European developers implementing projects in this area, including ЕАДС (for EF-2000 Typhoon) and Selex Galileo (for Gripen NG).

To date, DGA has placed orders for the supply of 180 Rafale airplanes and adopted 111 of them in three versions: 36 single-seat modifications “M” for the Navy, 38 twin-seat modifications “B” and 37 single-seat versions “C” for the French Air Force.

It is planned that the fourth radar of the French Air Force and Naval Forces 60 aircraft will be equipped with the fourth radar, which was ordered at the end of 2009.

The RBE2 radar will also be included in the standard offer to potential foreign customers of Rafale fighter jets, including the United Arab Emirates, Brazil, India and Kuwait.
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  1. Su24
    Su24 3 October 2012 13: 08
    +1
    No, to tell the characteristics of this radar. I do not know where to find info about foreign radar.
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 3 October 2012 14: 51
      +2
      Well, here are our achievements in France.
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 3 October 2012 18: 00
        0
        Explain plz
        1. Vadivak
          Vadivak 3 October 2012 20: 57
          +2
          Quote: Pimply
          Explain plz


          The only known applications on airplanes was a large radar mounted on the Soviet MiG-31 interceptor then it went ....
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 3 October 2012 21: 04
            +4
            And where does the Soviet development?
    2. gregor6549
      gregor6549 3 October 2012 18: 07
      +2
      Read

      http://www.thalesgroup.com/Portfolio/Defence/Aerospace_Product_AESARBE2Radar/

      In principle, there is nothing special.
  2. Manager
    Manager 3 October 2012 13: 18
    +3
    In the photo it feels like a fly with one egg! They do not know how to make beautiful airplanes!
    1. kotdavin4i
      kotdavin4i 3 October 2012 13: 21
      +12
      Quote: Manager
      one egg fly

      Well, a comparison, by the way, Rafal is a pretty animal, at least looks no worse than the 35th ... (both of the MIG and the SU)
      1. Manager
        Manager 3 October 2012 13: 25
        +1
        The taste and color ....
    2. itr
      itr 3 October 2012 14: 07
      0
      hit a point very similar! Hi
    3. patsantre
      patsantre 3 October 2012 14: 30
      +3
      Do not drive, a beautiful plane. Here is flu - it’s still a scary.
      1. Manager
        Manager 3 October 2012 14: 32
        +6
        This is the standard! Everything else flies!
        1. B_KypTke
          B_KypTke 3 October 2012 14: 50
          +5
          Yes. Bro - this is a Russian school of aerodynamics.
      2. VAF
        VAF 3 October 2012 17: 52
        +5
        Quote: patsantre
        .Here flu is still a monster.


        And what did the Scandinavian not like? request



        1. APASUS
          APASUS 3 October 2012 19: 41
          -1
          Yes, beauty is a terrible force! Here's another "handsome"!
        2. Kars
          Kars 3 October 2012 19: 50
          +2
          Swedes are often distinguished by their originality, and not only in aviation.
    4. Rustam
      Rustam 3 October 2012 15: 02
      -2
      They don’t know how to make beautiful airplanes, you said of course


      But very effective
      1. B_KypTke
        B_KypTke 3 October 2012 15: 09
        -5
        Farted ... justify please about efficiency.
        1. Rustam
          Rustam 3 October 2012 15: 17
          0
          Hamish fart

          see the use of this unit in Libya against the troops of the colonel
          1. B_KypTke
            B_KypTke 3 October 2012 15: 45
            +1
            To credit the use of the unit in the no-fly zone ... well, that's cool of course, but not impressive.
            1. Darck
              Darck 3 October 2012 15: 47
              +6
              To credit the use of the unit in the no-fly zone ...
              In general, this unit provided a no-fly zone. laughing
              1. B_KypTke
                B_KypTke 3 October 2012 16: 00
                -1
                With 2nd generation airplanes and wooden pilots .. merit without a bazaar.
                1. Darck
                  Darck 3 October 2012 16: 12
                  +1
                  With 2nd generation airplanes and wooden pilots .. merit without a bazaar.
                  It brings you again, Libya has 23 MiGs, and I don’t know which pilots there, and it’s not my problem, but Libya.
                  1. B_KypTke
                    B_KypTke 3 October 2012 16: 18
                    +2
                    23 MiGs were relevant in the 70s .. and now look at the calendar ..
                    1. Darck
                      Darck 3 October 2012 16: 30
                      +2
                      23 MiGs were relevant in the 70s .. and now look at the calendar ..
                      23 Migi is not the second generation, and by the way, fighters of the 3rd generation are still used in the Air Force of the Russian Federation, but the yard is not 70 years old.
            2. Pimply
              Pimply 3 October 2012 18: 01
              +2
              The no-fly zone just appeared during the use of this 8 device)
    5. Rustam
      Rustam 3 October 2012 15: 11
      0
      They don’t know how to make beautiful airplanes, you said of course


      But very effective
      1. black_eagle
        black_eagle 3 October 2012 15: 43
        0
        I watched the video ... Maneuverability like an ax!
        1. Rustam
          Rustam 3 October 2012 16: 00
          0
          but the use of available funds in any weather and at any time of the day
          and maneuverability will wait until


          it’s like in Chechnya there was maneuverability, but the air force armies cannot help, it’s dark, it’s fog, etc., etc.

          Here's an exemplary video of the French (air force) work in Libya
        2. Rustam
          Rustam 3 October 2012 16: 05
          +4
          But the use of available funds in any weather and at any time of the day (Su-30mk2 is not able to work at night, so
          and maneuverability will wait until


          it’s like in Chechnya there was maneuverability, but the air force armies cannot help, it’s dark, it’s fog, etc., etc.

          Here's an exemplary video of the French (air force) work in Libya
          1. B_KypTke
            B_KypTke 3 October 2012 16: 12
            0
            Yes .. here the French agree, the warriors are brave, uncompromising, how many times they fought with a worthy adversary, they raked so many times, and the great fighter is a symbol of freedom-loving France.
            1. Rustam
              Rustam 3 October 2012 16: 35
              -1
              25 again, you don’t understand what I’m leading to and I want you to understand (nothing if you
              French warriors are brave - and this
              I'm trying to convey to you that in terms of filling and the ability to work around the clock as well as in high-precision weapons, they overtook us and we remain here in trouble

              understand finally you
              An example is the Malaysian MKM capable of working around the clock and in any weather and using any high-precision weapons (rather than miserable cuts like MK30, MKA, cm, of the entire Su-2 line released to date).)
              1. B_KypTke
                B_KypTke 3 October 2012 17: 06
                -1
                I realized one thing: this rotten NATO coalition pisses attacking a country that has Sukhoi 4th generation aircraft in service, there are probably reasons for this, so there is such a demand for these machines, even though the dashboard is analog and the binding lamp ... .
                1. Rustam
                  Rustam 3 October 2012 17: 13
                  +3
                  Yes, it’s hard to talk with a zombie man (And the news that they already did not impress radars with AFAR)
                  I don’t know how else to explain something to a person, or he doesn’t get a grasp. It's like a ruler. We have steel eggs and we all

                  guys -Serge well, chtol explain to him to you (we have fighter specials)

                  after his answer- I LOSED FAITH IN HUMANITY recourse
                  1. B_KypTke
                    B_KypTke 3 October 2012 17: 20
                    +1
                    Yes .. well, forget .. brother .. what the hell is the difference I just .. mother love our Motherland and the French are strangers to me.
                    1. Rustam
                      Rustam 3 October 2012 17: 30
                      +3
                      and I finally
                      and I want our darling’s army to have all the best
                      Yes, the French, unlike others, are ready to share their technologies and supply their systems to our equipment

                      here are those example-MIG-29SMT in the avionics there half of the French minced meat and everyone is happy, especially our pilots
                    2. Pimply
                      Pimply 3 October 2012 18: 03
                      +5
                      You need to love your homeland with your head, not dumb chants
                  2. VAF
                    VAF 3 October 2012 18: 10
                    +3
                    Quote: Rustam
                    Serge, well, chtol explain to him (we have fighter specials)

                    after his answer- I LOSED FAITH IN HUMANITY


                    Rustam. Don’t be upset ..... just a person does not want to understand, because he does not know and cannot understand .... because he does not want to!
                    for a specialist it’s enough to look and understand everything ... but the main thing here is ..... not to understand, but ...... to spit on someone and call. and then .. even the grass does not grow!

                    Here. By the way, a good example of what you are talking about! Su-30M2 (Chinese Su-30MK2)!

                    Who else is not clear ????

                2. Darck
                  Darck 3 October 2012 17: 16
                  +5
                  The NATO coalition pisses on attacking a country armed with Sukhoi 4th generation airplanes, there are probably reasons, therefore there is such a demand for these aircraft
                  Yugoslavia exploited Mig 29, attacked nothing and 29 did not save. Iraq was armed with Mig 29, Su 24Mk bombers, Su 25 attack aircraft, for 90 years, nothing attacked and the Iraqis didn’t help, the general fleet disappeared 6k aircraft.
                  1. B_KypTke
                    B_KypTke 3 October 2012 17: 23
                    -2
                    Yes, everyone already argue nihahu .. forget. even if absuruta
                    1. Rustam
                      Rustam 3 October 2012 17: 41
                      +2
                      Yes, we don’t argue, we express our thoughts
                      and most importantly here (relate to normal people)

                      it’s the ability to properly explain to a person in a human way and to convince, and to take their side in a civilized way (And don’t stupidly minus it if you or others don’t like his statement) that’s the charm, I also disagree in many ways even with friends (mine position on Mistral and Iveco, everyone knows)

                      but I’m for a normal dialogue, that’s the thing fellow
            2. lelikas
              lelikas 3 October 2012 16: 37
              +6
              -How many French are needed for the defense of Paris?
              -No one knows..
              - Why?
              -And they have never succeeded ....
            3. Joker
              Joker 3 October 2012 16: 54
              +3
              uncompromising how many times fought with a worthy opponent so many times raked and the symbol of freedom-loving France, a great fighter - a rooster.

              And the fact that Napoleon all of us bent is nothing? Are you talking about some kind of nonsense?
              1. B_KypTke
                B_KypTke 3 October 2012 17: 15
                -1
                Quote: Joker
                And the fact that Napoleon bent all of ours is nothing

                this is when he bent ours in more detail
                1. Pimply
                  Pimply 3 October 2012 18: 04
                  -1
                  The first half of the war - very thoroughly.
                  1. lelikas
                    lelikas 3 October 2012 18: 15
                    +2
                    Quote: Pimply
                    The first half of the war - very thoroughly.

                    - Hitler rather bent, and from Napoleon they competently retreated.
                2. Joker
                  Joker 3 October 2012 18: 34
                  0
                  this is when he bent ours in more detail

                  learn history, they surrendered Moscow to Napoleon, burned it themselves, Napoleon’s army did not lose to our army, but to the Russian winter for which his army was not prepared, the main losses of Napoleon were after his departure from Moscow and they were inflicted by partisans
                  1. with
                    with 3 October 2012 18: 40
                    +4
                    Quote: Joker
                    teach history, they surrendered Moscow to Napoleon, they themselves burned it, Napoleon’s army didn’t lose to our army, and the Russian winter for which his army was not prepared, the main losses of Napoleon were after his departure from Moscow and they were inflicted guerrilla actions of our army.

                    You in your post disprove yourself.
                    Allocated for you specifically!
                    1. Odessa
                      Odessa 3 October 2012 18: 44
                      +4
                      with,
                      What is it you, for exemplary behavior prematurely released from the ban? drinks hi laughing
                      1. with
                        with 3 October 2012 18: 52
                        +1
                        Quote: Odessa
                        met
                        What is it you, for exemplary behavior prematurely released from the ban?

                        Odessa girl, my respect! hi
                        I don’t know, but I didn’t take the points !!! request
                        There, as it were sahha, for which he THANKS a lot, brought him to a conversation and then talked with Vadim, he seemed to be unban.
                        A good guy in principle, just worried about the site!
                    2. Joker
                      Joker 3 October 2012 22: 11
                      0
                      You in your post disprove yourself.
                      Allocated for you specifically!

                      Thanks, corrected hi
              2. lelikas
                lelikas 3 October 2012 18: 13
                +3
                Quote: Joker
                all our bent it is nothing?

                - so whoever didn’t bend us, it’s just that all the bribes broke something ...
                1. Joker
                  Joker 3 October 2012 18: 32
                  -1
                  Yes? What about the Russo-Japanese War? And the war with Finland, which can be called a Pyrrhic victory, but a golden horde? Did not lose?
                  so whoever we just didn’t bend, it’s just that everyone was bent ...

                  indeed, this is especially noticeable when you compare the economies of the countries of the losers and ours, how strange it is, we won, right? The warlords of Hannibal Barki complained about him only for one reason that he did not use the fruits of his victories, which he paid in the end. Why the hell with Germany, which we pulled 2 times and divided in two at one time and took all the scientific potential, removed all the scientists, took the machines from the factories, why they, in a country not rich in minerals, not so vast as Russia, why the economy development? They are already crushing the whole of Europe for themselves, and are we sitting, like in a fairy tale about a fisherman and a goldfish?
                  1. with
                    with 3 October 2012 18: 45
                    +1
                    Quote: Joker
                    Yes? What about the Russo-Japanese War?

                    We lost, but we could win, Japan ran out of steam and this was understandable, if it weren’t for the efforts of American friends, it would bring them to their knees.
                    Count Vite, later named Paul Sakholinsky alone with a potsigar in his hands, recaptured Paul Sakhalin from eight Japanese negotiators littered with waste paper, under their names facts!
                    What (I mean they put on their knees) in the end and was done, which is considered the best operation of the Soviet army for all the time of the Second World War !!!
                    1. Rustam
                      Rustam 3 October 2012 19: 14
                      -1
                      ish suffered you gentlemen

                      no need to move away from the topic - you still remember the Punic war or the Mongol yoke am
                      1. Joker
                        Joker 3 October 2012 21: 50
                        0
                        Yes, please, new to you, Afghanistan and the Chechen company, have purged? Doduli. I don’t laugh at anything, God forbid, we just won when the soldiers had good training, but their backs were covered, and now there’s neither the first nor the second, so we need to quickly catch up.
                      2. with
                        with 3 October 2012 22: 11
                        +1
                        Quote: Joker
                        Yes, please, new to you, Afghanistan and the Chechen company, have purged? Doduli. I what is it all about I don’t mock, God forbid it’s just that we won when the soldiers had good training, but the backs of the guys were covered, but now there’s neither the first nor the second, so we need to quickly catch up.

                        If they didn’t write what was highlighted in red, if they thought so, in Afghanistan, the first time we showed the world that we can be defeated with our teeth, we’ll scratch our word !!!!
                        The fast pace will not work, definitely, although I really want to.
                        During this time, the top so snickered that just PPC.
                        There are shifts, but not what we want to increase the level of power of the USSR of the 80s, I think it will take time !!!
                      3. Joker
                        Joker 3 October 2012 22: 16
                        +2
                        It seems to me that Putin’s efforts alone cannot help the matter, it’s necessary to break down stereotypes, dismiss and retrain en masse, it’s not so simple as it seems from above, but I think everyone understands it too, just over the years of stagnation we have already covered with mold on all sides, we have to take collective action. And in order for science to go forward, salaries must be raised to the level of Europe, all the same, scientists are worth their weight in gold, they need to create all the conditions for work.
                      4. with
                        with 3 October 2012 22: 25
                        +1
                        Quote: Joker
                        And in order for science to go forward, salaries must be raised to the level of Europe, all the same, scientists are worth their weight in gold, they need to create all the conditions for work.

                        Actually, a set of measures is probably needed here, but it seems to me mildly it will not work, and the GDP (in my opinion) is trying to do it gently.
                        Or is he afraid of chopping wood or is there some kind of plan ?!
                        But I agree with you, he will not pull one, but he is not alone, I give you 100% !!!
                        There are all the siloviki !!!
                      5. Joker
                        Joker 3 October 2012 22: 32
                        +2
                        God forbid, I already read somewhere that Putin pokes security officials and a anti-corruption group was created, eh, it was necessary when the Georgians fought under the laws of the war to shoot corrupt and pro-Westerners, he missed the point, and maybe Medvedev failed, now you won’t figure it out.
                      6. with
                        with 3 October 2012 22: 35
                        0
                        Quote: Joker
                        eh, it was necessary when the Georgians fought under wartime laws to execute the corruption and pro-Westerners, he missed a moment,

                        Remember, the elections were ahead, what the West would say, and then we still did not get stronger.
                        Superfluous war who needs !!!
                      7. Joker
                        Joker 3 October 2012 22: 40
                        +2
                        11 has been formally charged in New York with suspected illegal export of military technology to Russia, RIA Novosti reports with reference to the American media.

                        Brooklyn Attorney Loretta Lynch said in a statement that the defendants in the case are accused of exporting microelectronic parts that "are under strict government control due to their potential use in many military systems."

                        The document of the Ministry of Justice, cited by the media, notes that banned microelectronics was supplied to Russian intelligence and military institutions. According to American newspapers, the main suspect in the case is 46-year-old US citizen Alexander Fishenko.

                        He founded Arc Electronics, a company based in Houston, Texas. Through it, allegedly, the illegal supply of high-tech microcircuits was carried out, which can be used in various weapons systems.

                        Someone merges ours, it seems to me, a series of revelations has gone sad
                      8. with
                        with 3 October 2012 22: 50
                        0
                        Quote: Joker
                        Someone merges ours, it seems to me, a series of revelations has gone

                        Yes, maybe a mole, although it is unlikely, if it were a mole, then they would have shouted at all the Khazets !!! And here, everything "supposedly suspect".....
                        If a mole, then they will slam quickly after such publications, then maybe our intelligence is playing its game, maybe it is not bought and does not climb into a "sweet" trap (the former Soviet ones, as a rule, cannot be led to female genetics), or maybe what else!
                        Most likely the amers are looking for weak points of pressure, cunning devils, they know what we need!
                        Purely my opinion, if interested of course! hi
                      9. Joker
                        Joker 4 October 2012 01: 15
                        0
                        Interesting of course hi I laid out for that yes
        3. donchepano
          donchepano 4 October 2012 17: 19
          0
          surrendered our largest military commanders
  3. lelikas
    lelikas 4 October 2012 01: 22
    -1
    Quote: Joker
    and the golden horde? Did not lose?


    You still remember how many primitive Slavs trampled mammoths .....
    Quote: Joker
    learn history, they surrendered Moscow to Napoleon, burned it themselves, Napoleon’s army did not lose to our army, but to the Russian winter for which his army was not prepared, the main losses of Napoleon were after his departure from Moscow and they were inflicted by partisans
    - it's five. - I didn’t hear Borodino, Moscow? -Remind which city was the capital of R.I. then? Napoleon defeated us so much that already in September he began to ask for peace? Frosts came in November, when Napoleon actually fell off his army.
    Learn the story, come in handy.
  • B_KypTke
    B_KypTke 3 October 2012 15: 46
    0
    And you need to fly like that ....
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2l_gAPQDtJc
  • Vadivak
    Vadivak 3 October 2012 15: 18
    +2
    Quote: Manager
    They do not know how to make beautiful airplanes!


    It's not the same for everybody
    1. Rustam
      Rustam 3 October 2012 15: 21
      +4
      Well, yes - I put a plus
      this is from what angle to see
  • Hedgehog
    Hedgehog 3 October 2012 16: 55
    +1
    And I like rafal! One of the favorite western aircraft in design
    Well, of course, he is very far from su-27
  • cerber
    cerber 4 October 2012 06: 54
    0
    rather with maggots lol
  • Nechai
    Nechai 3 October 2012 13: 40
    0
    Does he have an air gun?
    1. B_KypTke
      B_KypTke 3 October 2012 14: 23
      0
      one 30 mm gun GIAT M30 / 719B
  • USNik
    USNik 3 October 2012 13: 53
    +1
    one egg fly

    I have long noticed that there are much more pictures of Typhoon, Gripen and Rafal with PTB than without them. And our DRY and MIGs mostly fly without tanks, why would it?
    1. aktanir
      aktanir 3 October 2012 14: 02
      0
      Our people know how to make weapons, but beautifully present in a formidable predatory form - no. What a pity, nowadays you need to be able to advertise your product
    2. veins
      veins 3 October 2012 14: 05
      0
      engines are more economical
    3. B_KypTke
      B_KypTke 3 October 2012 14: 26
      -1
      Ours learned to place such an amount of fuel on board that no PTBs are needed. And then refuel in the air.
      1. Vadivak
        Vadivak 3 October 2012 15: 20
        +3
        Quote: B_KypTke
        Ours learned to place such an amount of fuel on board that no PTBs are needed.


        Can be more? Including which board
        1. B_KypTke
          B_KypTke 3 October 2012 15: 57
          +2
          As a result, with the support of the Air Force’s armament service leadership — Deputy Air Force Commander-in-Chief Colonel General M.N. Mishuk, head of the Air Force science and technology committee, Lieutenant General Aviation G.S. .Efremova - a compromise solution was found. TTT for the Su-27 was divided into two parts:

          with the main (incomplete) refueling option (about 5.5 tons), which provided the required flight range (2500 km) and all other flight characteristics, including maximum operational overload (8);
          with a full supply of fuel (about 9 tons), at which a maximum flight range (4000 km) was provided, and the maximum operational overload was limited based on the fact that the product of the flight mass and the overload were kept constant.
          1. Darck
            Darck 3 October 2012 16: 46
            +1
            with the main (incomplete) refueling option (about 5.5 tons), which provided the required flight range (2500 km) and all other flight characteristics, including maximum operational overload (8);
            with a full supply of fuel (about 9 tons), at which a maximum flight range (4000 km) was provided, and the maximum operational overload was limited based on the fact that the product of the flight mass and the overload were kept constant.

            So 2500 is without PTB, and 4000 is with PTB, while the combat radius of the Su27,1680 versus 1852 of Rafal.
            1. sanyabasik
              sanyabasik 4 October 2012 13: 16
              0
              The Su-27 PTB is not provided, it is internal for his eyes ..
          2. Vadivak
            Vadivak 3 October 2012 17: 04
            +2
            The maximum take-off weight of Sushka is up to 33 tons, and Rafal is 24, here you have 500 tons of fuel on Sushka
            1. Darck
              Darck 3 October 2012 17: 28
              +1
              The maximum take-off weight of Sushka is up to 33 tons, and Rafal is 24, here you have 500 tons of fuel on Sushka

              Firstly, we are talking about PTB and about
              to place such an amount of fuel on board that no PTBs are needed.
              Secondly, Rafal is more than half lighter than the same Su 27, so when talking about max take-off, consider the weight of the fighter itself.
              Rafal 10k.
              Su27 16870.
              1. Vadivak
                Vadivak 3 October 2012 17: 37
                +3
                Quote: Darck
                Firstly, we are talking about PTB

                Why should the PTB Dryer if it is larger than Rafal, which means that its volume includes the weight of the fuel that Rafal has in the PTB
          3. VAF
            VAF 3 October 2012 17: 45
            +4
            Quote: B_KypTke
            with the main (incomplete) refueling option (about 5.5 tons), which provided the required flight range (2500 km) and all other flight characteristics, including maximum operational overload (8);


            In fact, the maximum operational overload is 9!

            But ..... on the su-27-m-27 at speeds in the range of M = 0.85-1.25 operational overload instead of 9g is only 7g. And this is for information the same range of speeds in which all the main types of combat use occur both by air and by land.
            And the restrictions were introduced for the simple and only reason, because the control system does not guarantee the exclusion of high-speed pickup and exit to prohibitive overloads in case of a pilot error in this speed range. and imposed restrictions due to the fact that the automation of the aircraft in this place cannot provide quality assistance
            And less than the allowed overload is less and the angular velocity of the aircraft during any maneuver. wink

            And the main criterion for an airplane is its maximum range, and its tactical range and with weapons !!!
        2. B_KypTke
          B_KypTke 3 October 2012 16: 32
          0
          From the very beginning, the Rafal developers have incorporated into its design sufficiently capacious fuel tanks, in which more than 5700 liters can be filled on a single-seat aircraft and 5300 liters on a two-seat aircraft.
    4. black_eagle
      black_eagle 3 October 2012 15: 45
      +1
      On the base Su-27 is not provided for the installation of PTB !!!!
  • andrei332809
    andrei332809 3 October 2012 13: 56
    +4
    Here is the news, have already been transmitted. and ours will be done, let it be. it is necessary as frogmen, at first did, then said
  • B_KypTke
    B_KypTke 3 October 2012 14: 02
    -1
    Whatever one may say, but with such suspensions the EPR of this "rafalchik" is at least 10m2. And how they are going to deal with inconspicuous targets with EPR 0.5-1.2 m2, I can not imagine. Whoever lets him at the attack distance, even with his AFAR, they will see him much earlier. Oh, frog pads are storytellers .. such storytellers.
    1. Su24
      Su24 3 October 2012 15: 02
      +2
      Where did you get that 10 m EPR? By itself, it’s about 1 m2, with a suspension more of course, but not 10 times.
    2. Darck
      Darck 3 October 2012 15: 07
      +2
      And I don’t imagine how they were going to deal with unobtrusive goals with an EPR of 0.5-1.2 m2.
      In aerial combat, the bells and whistles in the form of suspended TB are dropped.
      1. B_KypTke
        B_KypTke 3 October 2012 15: 12
        -3
        Yes ... and pylons along with missiles ... and on ram ...
        1. Darck
          Darck 3 October 2012 15: 25
          +1
          Yes ... and pylons along with missiles ... and on ram ...
          On the fighters of the Russian Federation, they also stick out, but inconspicuous, they also were going to do ....
      2. B_KypTke
        B_KypTke 3 October 2012 15: 49
        -1
        excuse me by asking a question .. but why did you get that 1 m2?
  • Cold
    Cold 3 October 2012 14: 04
    +1
    Irkut Corporation intends to supply the first two Su-30SM planes with amphibians to the Russian military in November laughing
    1. patsantre
      patsantre 3 October 2012 14: 33
      +2
      Is this sarcasm? We "intend to deliver 2 aircraft", but they already have an order for 180, and 111 have already been "accepted" (I really don't understand what this means, received or what?)
      1. Su24
        Su24 3 October 2012 15: 03
        0
        I agree. In terms of the number of new aircraft, we cannot even compare with France for now.
      2. Vadivak
        Vadivak 3 October 2012 15: 28
        +3
        Quote: patsantre
        It's sarcasm?



        It will pass, over time of course
    2. andrei332809
      andrei332809 3 October 2012 14: 39
      +3
      Quote: Cold
      intends to deliver in November

      here it is, the difference is intended and passed on, will be and is
  • Oleg14774
    Oleg14774 3 October 2012 15: 09
    0
    They are French, what to take from them ?! Do not judge them severely, be generous! :)
  • Darck
    Darck 3 October 2012 15: 10
    0
    In general, this is no longer news, with these AFARs they still flew over Libya and, moreover, successfully.
  • understudy
    understudy 3 October 2012 15: 54
    -4
    I'll put in a penny ...
    If there was an assessment of the aggressiveness of the appearance of the aircraft, then ours will receive the hardest five - Eagles-Falcons, and that's all. Amer is worse. The French do not even reach the triple-some sparrows. It's about fighters.
    1. lelikas
      lelikas 3 October 2012 16: 40
      -2
      Here is the Sparrow how offended ..... laughing
    2. Manager
      Manager 3 October 2012 16: 54
      -2
      Quote: Understudy
      If there was an assessment of the aggressiveness of the appearance of the aircraft, then ours will receive the hardest five - Eagles-Falcons, and that's all. Amer is worse. The French do not even reach the triple-some sparrows. It's about fighters.


      I agree completely!
  • understudy
    understudy 3 October 2012 16: 49
    +1
    Quote: lelikas
    Here is the Sparrow how offended .....

    Fierce ... he-not-he, but someone was offended by the paddling pools. request
  • bask
    bask 3 October 2012 16: 59
    +2
    Simpachitny fighter 4th generation. With an updated electronic and that's it. Cho all so, “parted”, nepoyma.?
    1. lelikas
      lelikas 3 October 2012 18: 10
      0
      And for the sparrow laughing
  • bask
    bask 3 October 2012 18: 10
    +1
    I agree. I need to love Rodin with my head and with new airplanes. The unmanned desert zone in Libya is that the achievement of the NATO Air Force simply Libyan air defense was at 0 e.
  • Nechai
    Nechai 3 October 2012 18: 24
    0
    Quote: B_KypTke
    one 30 mm gun GIAT M30 / 719B

    Che shoots in the winter?
  • bremest
    bremest 3 October 2012 20: 59
    +2
    I was lucky to see with my own eyes Rafal’s flight at the Air Show in Ramenskoye on the occasion of the 100th anniversary of the Russian Air Force. I’ll tell you that the speed and swiftness, as well as Rafal’s maneuver, made an impression. The only thing that was noted by the presenter was that Rafal commits all these turns with the afterburner constantly on, and our MIG-29m2 and SU-35 bends with the engines working normally and partially including the afterburner.
    The video shows that indeed the fast and the furious is always on. Maneuverability of the aircraft is achieved by the presence of wings in the front of the aircraft. As far as I know, our designers refused them because at speeds above 1500 km / h they give out instability.
  • bask
    bask 3 October 2012 21: 57
    +1
    Joker disagrees With what fright Afgan blew And the training and technology in the 80s was at the level of the world ... x and above Us, now we grow and grow up to it. In Chechnya, yes, the setup came out, but the soldiers fought and died with dignity. boys !!!
  • bremest
    bremest 3 October 2012 22: 29
    0
    We did not purge Afghanistan, if it were not for US intervention and assistance to the souls, then Afghanistan would be a calm country, loyal to the USSR. In Afghanistan, 80% of the world's uranium ore reserves, so the United States climbed there.