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German ZSU Gepard sent to Ukraine

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After lengthy discussions and disputes, Germany nevertheless decided to help Ukraine with the supply of armored vehicles. The new package of military-technical assistance will include Gepard self-propelled anti-aircraft guns, which were previously in service with the Bundeswehr. However, the dispatch of such equipment encountered organizational difficulties. In addition, obvious problems await the recipient army of such assistance.


Supply plan


In recent weeks, Germany has been discussing the possibility of transferring one or another armored vehicle from storage to Ukraine. In this context, various machines were considered, but real results were not yet available. Deliveries of equipment or even preparation for them have not yet begun. Now, however, there is a shift in this matter.

On April 26, a conference of NATO countries was held at the German air base Ramstein, dedicated to the issues of military-technical assistance for the Ukrainian army. During this event, German Defense Minister Christina Lambrecht said that the federal government is ready to approve the transfer of Gepard anti-aircraft self-propelled guns to Ukraine.

Reportedly, this plan provides for the dispatch of 50 combat vehicles from storage. Previously, this technique belonged to the Bundeswehr, but at the beginning of the last decade it was withdrawn from service. Unnecessary "Cheetahs" were bought by the manufacturing company Krauss-Maffei Wegmann. She planned to restore the equipment and sell it to third countries. Over the past decade, it was not possible to find buyers for all the available cars, and now they are proposed to be transferred to Ukraine as part of foreign aid.


On April 28, the Bundestag approved a plan to send armored vehicles. Now KMW has to prepare it for operation and then ship it. It is not known how soon these works will be completed and when the Gepards will get to Ukraine.

First problems


Shortly after K. Lambrecht's statement, it became known that the planned delivery of the ZSU Gepard was facing unforeseen difficulties. According to the British edition of The Daily Telegraph, the neutral position of a third country could prevent the implementation of such plans.

Gepard self-propelled guns are equipped with 35 mm Oerlikon GDF automatic cannons for a unitary projectile 35x228 mm. Such weapons and ammunition are not in service with the Ukrainian army, so it is necessary to organize the supply of not only combat vehicles, but also shells for them. The Bundeswehr cannot provide the necessary ammunition, and they will have to be purchased from a foreign manufacturer - the Swiss company Oerlikon Contraves.

According to The Daily Telegraph, such a purchase proved impossible. Switzerland maintains its neutral status and does not want to sell military products, which may soon be in the conflict zone. The German Ministry of Defense plans to resolve this issue. Additional consultations will be held with military industry enterprises.


Soon, Business Insider reported that the issue of ammunition had already been resolved. 300 thousand shells will be purchased from Brazil, which also has Cheetahs in service. However, now there are problems of a logistical nature - before being sent to Ukraine, the ammunition will have to be transported across the ocean.

Anti-aircraft "Cheetah"


The Flugabwehrkanonenpanzer Gepard self-propelled anti-aircraft gun was developed in the early seventies in the interests of the Bundeswehr. By the middle of the decade, mass production was launched, and in 1976 the new model was officially put into service. Later, a modernization process began, in which enterprises from several other NATO countries participated.

For the German ground forces, 420 new ZSUs were built. Later, the Cheetahs were ordered by the Dutch army. 95 vehicles with a modified radio-electronic complex were manufactured for her. Belgium received 55 products in the original configuration.

The active operation of Gepard self-propelled guns continued until the 2012s, after which they began to be written off due to obsolescence. Thus, the Bundeswehr completed this process in XNUMX. The equipment removed from service was sent for storage or sold to third countries. Used ZSU entered service with Brazil, Jordan, Romania and Chile. The latter, however, soon abandoned them.


At the end of 2020, a contract appeared for the supply of 15 Cheetahs, ammunition and spare parts to Qatar. This technique is planned to be used to ensure the safety of the future World Cup. Also, the transfer of fifty ZSU to the Ukrainian army will soon take place.

Technical potential


Gepard is a self-propelled anti-aircraft installation of military air defense of the near zone. This ZSU is intended to escort and cover troops at bases, on the march or in places of concentration. Depending on the situation and needs, the self-propelled gun can operate independently or as part of a battery under the control of a command post.

ZSU built on the chassis tank Leopard 1, due to which high mobility and cross-country characteristics are achieved. The machine is able to work in the same battle formations with other armored vehicles of German and foreign production. With a mass of more than 47 tons, the self-propelled gun develops a speed of up to 65 km / h and is able to move over rough terrain.

The chassis is equipped with an original turret, on which weapons, radar equipment and other devices are mounted. The basic German version of the Gepard is equipped with an S-band search radar with a rotating antenna and a Ku-band fire control station with an oscillating antenna. The detection and tracking range for both stations is 15-18 km. The modification for the Netherlands used other radars with different ranges, but with similar characteristics.


A fairly advanced fire control system is used, which collects data from radars, from muzzle velocity meters on guns, etc. Aiming and firing are carried out in a semi-automatic mode under the control of the gunner operator. A manual mode is also provided, incl. using an optical sight.

On the sides of the turret are oscillating mounts with 35 mm Oerlikon GDF automatic cannons. Rate of fire - 550 rds / min. each. Firing range - up to 5 km, reach in height - 4 km. Ammunition includes 340 high-explosive fragmentation and armor-piercing shells for each gun.

Objective difficulties


The planned transfer of the Gepard ZSU has a certain significance for Germany and is an important event in terms of politics. However, in military-technical terms, such "assistance" turns out to be practically useless or even harmful to the recipient. As is the case with other foreign technology, this is due to several specific factors.

The main problem for Ukraine is the lack of trained personnel. The Ukrainian army does not know how to operate Leopard-1 tanks and equipment based on them. Training personnel for this will take some time. In addition, it is necessary to organize the infrastructure for maintenance and supply, which in the current environment will not be easy.


Even more difficult is the situation with crews. The Cheetah, not without reason, was considered the most complex armored vehicle of the Bundeswehr, and the operator training course for it was the longest. In the current situation, Ukraine simply does not have time for the full-fledged training of specialists, and without them, ZSU will not show any results.

It should be noted that even with trained crews, Gepard has a very limited combat value. Even 15-20 years ago, the operating countries decided that this ZSU could no longer deal with actual air threats and therefore abandoned it. Over the past time, the self-propelled gun has not become better, but new means of air attack with higher performance have appeared. There are obvious risks associated with this, both for the ZSU themselves and for the troops being covered.

Doubtful help


Thus, the planned delivery of German ZSU Gepard is almost no different from other episodes of military-technical assistance to Ukraine that have taken place recently. It has positive consequences for Germany, while the benefits for the Ukrainian army are at least questionable. Nevertheless, the decision has been made, and the almost useless ZSU will go to Ukraine.

Due to this "assistance", Germany and KMW get the opportunity to get rid of unnecessary equipment from storage, as well as to use the budget to help the "ally". In addition, they demonstrate their commitment to the overall course of NATO and resolve other political issues. The fact that the Cheetahs are obsolete, almost useless in current events and will not bring any benefit to the recipient army is effectively ignored. But this is no longer surprising.
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  1. Beetle1991
    Beetle1991 April 29 2022 04: 49
    +42
    Even if, as an air defense, a cheetah is completely useless, then for ground targets it is very dangerous. Such an ambush thing and against ground forces can be effectively used, ala BMPT.
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee April 29 2022 05: 15
      +27
      and almost useless ZSU will go to Ukraine.
      Any weapon is dangerous!
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U April 29 2022 05: 33
        -7
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        Any weapon is dangerous!

        Let's hope that this particular weapon is more dangerous for its own crews!
        1. Doccor18
          Doccor18 April 29 2022 12: 44
          +3
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          Quote: Uncle Lee
          Any weapon is dangerous!

          Let's hope that this particular weapon is more dangerous for its own crews!

          And here's what surprised me
          Soon, Business Insider reported that the issue of ammunition had already been resolved. 300 thousand shells will be purchased from Brazil

          Brazil has...
          Which countries did not support the sanctions
          It is difficult to determine the exact list. Not all countries openly declare their attitude or take sides. Based on media publications, several states can be identified that have spoken out about the conflict.
          Declared support for Russia: Belarus, Venezuela, Syria, Myanmar, BRAZIL, Cuba, Abkhazia, South Ossetia, Central African Republic, Kyrgyzstan.

          What does it mean..?
          1. smart fellow
            smart fellow April 29 2022 14: 04
            +11
            Germany supplies Cheetahs free of charge and purchases shells from Brazil at its own expense. Those. Brazil sells shells, not supplies for free. And she gave moral support to Russia.
            1. Doccor18
              Doccor18 April 29 2022 15: 25
              -3
              Quote: smart fellow
              Those. Brazil sells shells, not for free

              Yes unless in it business, it is free or not. What is the price of this "moral" support, if at the same time they sell cartridges that will be 100% used against our troops ...
              1. smart fellow
                smart fellow April 29 2022 17: 30
                +11
                In general, the Brazilians don't give a fuck about this conflict, it concerns Europe and the former republics of the USSR. And Bolsonaro, the president of Brazil, is a fan of Trump. He supported Russia in defiance of Biden, and not because Brazil is interested in Russia.
      2. sitll
        sitll April 29 2022 07: 35
        -6
        If you know how to use it. To do this, you need to thoroughly master it, and this is not one month.
      3. Evil 55
        Evil 55 April 29 2022 09: 03
        -15
        Yes, these semi-literate Selyuks, if only to beg for a more expensive toy. After all, the Green Clown is obviously pouring small change into a foreign egg-box for every day of battles and the wholesale disposal of the population of Ukraine. hi
        1. private person
          private person April 29 2022 12: 37
          +15
          Yes, these semi-literate villagers from Zapadensky, if only to beg for a more expensive toy.

          Maybe enough to underestimate the enemy?
          1. Evil 55
            Evil 55 April 29 2022 14: 15
            -7
            I do not underestimate, I judge by the level of abilities and knowledge of our bachelors. And given the peculiarities of teaching in Ukraine, with a bias towards pseudo-history and the development of artificial ideology even in universities, often at the expense of technical disciplines, I draw the appropriate conclusions about their command and engineering staff in the Armed Forces.
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        2. RED_ICE
          RED_ICE April 30 2022 16: 41
          +3
          Yes Yes. Our grouping started with unfired servicemen, while the APU grouping in the Donbass will be a little more experienced in this matter. During the 8 years of the war against the LDNR, they at least learned something.
    2. antivirus
      antivirus April 29 2022 07: 30
      +11
      Sailed ...
      In happy times, Serdyukov talked about the backlog in UAVs.
      So it remains.
      Not long the music played ...
      And some write everything about 10 Av for 100 vi.
      And leopards, and hepats, and bats, and cockroaches become obsolete.
      Why didn’t UAVs saturate the land in 15 years?
      Aircraft factories were against a new competitor?
      Or generals gsh?
      1. Vladimir Michailovich
        Vladimir Michailovich April 29 2022 09: 10
        -4
        The Israeli lobby in the top leadership of the Russian Federation.
        1. miru mir
          miru mir April 30 2022 20: 26
          +1
          uh... and what about Israel then?!
          1. Vladimir Michailovich
            Vladimir Michailovich 1 May 2022 09: 18
            -2
            Of course, it had nothing to do with it, by the way, the visits of Kudrin and Chemezov to Israel were an accident ...
    3. riwas
      riwas April 29 2022 09: 26
      +2
      ala BMPT.

      The armor is only bulletproof, like an armored personnel carrier.
      https://armedman.ru/tanki/1961-1990-bronetehnika/zenitnaya-samohodnaya-ustanovka-zsu-gepard-germaniya.html?
    4. Negro
      Negro April 29 2022 11: 18
      +4
      Completely works. KR, drones - there are enough lungs to hit targets now. And from an ambush, you can use the usual ZU-23-2, this is quite enough for any equipment other than a tank. Although the Ukrainians now have anti-tank systems like a doctor of shag, in FIG they are ZU-23-2.
    5. yehat2
      yehat2 April 29 2022 11: 41
      +3
      I agree - a rather dangerous machine for ambushes
      if we stretch out a couple more months, they may affect the fact that the line of clashes will finally stop.
    6. Volga-Bulgarian
      Volga-Bulgarian April 29 2022 23: 35
      -6
      German "Cheetahs"???? Strike UAV / Kamikaze UAV from Zala Aero and this rusty garbage immediately turns into scrap metal!

      No helicopter strikes! there is no point in risking the crew and equipment, under the blows of ZSU / MANPADS / ATGMs, in order to destroy this shit!
  2. General70
    General70 April 29 2022 05: 11
    +9
    "Cheetahs" are especially dangerous against light armored vehicles - armored personnel carriers, infantry fighting vehicles, infantry fighting vehicles, armored vehicles hi hi hi stop
    1. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U April 29 2022 05: 33
      -8
      Quote: General70
      "Cheetahs" are especially dangerous against light armored vehicles - armored personnel carriers, infantry fighting vehicles, infantry fighting vehicles, armored vehicles

      Only if intelligence is blind and deaf.
      1. Proctologist
        Proctologist April 29 2022 09: 51
        +13
        What, like, we observed during the special operation? Blinded and deafened intelligence acc. result.
        1. Vladimir_2U
          Vladimir_2U April 29 2022 10: 00
          -3
          Quote: Proctologist
          Blinded and deafened intelligence acc. result.

          Do not confuse political intelligence and military intelligence. Miscalculations in planning the start of the Special Ops are the poor work of non-army intelligence officers, ambushes were not expected at all. But the search for ambushes is the work of the army, and they cope.
    2. novel66
      novel66 April 29 2022 08: 47
      +14
      35 mm already and the tank can pretty much pick up the stern
      1. stankow
        stankow April 30 2022 00: 20
        +1
        But you need the right projectile.
  3. RaptorF22A2
    RaptorF22A2 April 29 2022 05: 16
    +4
    War Thunder fans will be in awe lol
  4. alexey alexeyev_2
    alexey alexeyev_2 April 29 2022 05: 36
    -5
    Yes, they won’t bother with the infrastructure for maintenance. A one-time thing. In a month, they will all be smashed and dismantled. The Chechens have captured the base with hammways ... or with hummers .. well, that’s not the point. So there are only five walking cars there.
    1. General70
      General70 April 29 2022 15: 10
      -5
      Well, all this Kyiv's coming out Nazi pack will not offend itself, it will fill the maximum of financial assistance, its own pocket hi hi hi bully angry
    2. Evgeny Goncharov
      Evgeny Goncharov 3 May 2022 21: 48
      +1
      So there are only five walking cars

      Those. tik-tok troops captured 60 working hummers for more than 5 days. Everything is fine with the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, is everything according to plan?
  5. Free wind
    Free wind April 29 2022 05: 55
    +19
    The Leopard is a great car, it handles well. control is easy, quickly absorbed. At least this is the opinion of Soviet tankers. Who rode them when meeting with German tankers. Of course, it’s more difficult for the gunner and commander, but if there is a head on their shoulders, then it won’t take much time. And everything else is from the evil one, weapons are weapons, more people die from kitchen knives and hatchets than from machine guns.
    1. spirit
      spirit April 29 2022 15: 45
      +9
      Here, we quickly mastered the American Lend-Lease equipment on the same tanks, and that’s fine. I’m sure the basic-accelerated course can be completed very quickly into battle. And expensive pro operators are not needed there. already joy, then the crew and the cheetah go to heaven and drag a new one. So all this is a very dangerous weapon and there will be no problems with preparation (
      1. whitebeard
        whitebeard April 29 2022 22: 42
        0
        So we didn’t give out “foreign cars” to anyone, but only to the tankmen-guardsmen, who fought on these foreign cars of different models throughout the war - that is. there is a high average level of crews, and the habit of Western standards. Do current ukrov have it, especially in the sense of pvoshniks?
    2. sh3roman
      sh3roman 10 May 2022 16: 05
      0
      I support, they will put crews from shiloks and tunguskas, and in 2 weeks they will learn, very dangerous crap for our army
  6. Ilya_Nsk
    Ilya_Nsk April 29 2022 06: 25
    +4
    A slightly more advanced analogue of Shilka and helicopter pilots will have to be more careful. What about ammo? Our 30 mm, in my opinion, do not fit ..
    1. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter April 29 2022 06: 46
      +3
      She eats a lot of ammunition. 1000 rounds per minute from two barrels ... 300 thousand shells - this (including 50 vehicles) is 6 minutes of fire per installation ... If the supply of shells is not provided, it’s really somehow unconvincing ...
      Quote: Ilya_Nsk
      Our 30 mm, in my opinion, do not fit
      1. smart fellow
        smart fellow April 29 2022 14: 17
        +6
        Ammunition includes 340 high-explosive fragmentation and armor-piercing shells for each gun.

        9 rounds per vehicle. Quite enough, given that this is not long-range artillery that can be used every day, but ZPU to destroy helicopters, UAVs and aircraft. Plus combat losses.
    2. volodimer
      volodimer April 29 2022 06: 51
      0
      It's written:
      300 thousand shells will be purchased from Brazil, which also has Cheetahs in service

      Oh, I can imagine: somewhere in the Atlantic, a Brazilian dry cargo ship stops a ship of the Russian Navy, inspects it, after which 300 shells fly overboard. After that, the commander of our ship wishes the Brazilian captain: "Happy sailing!" The curtain.
      But these are only fantasies.
      1. Negro
        Negro April 29 2022 07: 07
        +9
        Oh, I imagine: somewhere in the Atlantic, a Brazilian dry cargo ship stops a ship of the Russian Navy,


        Good idea. Only stopping a neutral ship (and, for a moment, even Ukrainian ships are considered “neutral”, since the Russian Federation is not waging any war) is an act of piracy and with a very high probability will lead to the near completion of the surface route of this Navy ship. And quite possibly not only that.

        And several hundred tons of ammunition will be brought, of course, by aircraft.
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA April 29 2022 10: 45
          0
          Quote: Negro
          Only stopping a neutral ship (and, for a moment, even Ukrainian ships are considered "neutral", since the Russian Federation is not waging any war) is an act of piracy

          The navies of the Western countries are looking at your statement with bewilderment. At sea, the right of the strong has long been in effect - whoever has the strength for searches, he arranges them, despite all international laws or interpreting them in his favor. The landing of inspection teams on ships under a neutral flag on the high seas has become a common practice.
          1. Negro
            Negro April 29 2022 11: 10
            +7
            "The right of the strong" in the performance of the Russian Navy? In the Atlantic? By ship from Brazil to the Netherlands? You don’t confuse it with the Sea of ​​Azov for an hour, when Ukrainian ports were still a nightmare?
            1. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA April 29 2022 11: 26
              0
              Quote: Negro
              "The right of the strong" in the performance of the Russian Navy? In the Atlantic? By ship from Brazil to the Netherlands?

              But this is another question.
              I just pointed out that in the presence of force (Navy) and will (Ministry of Foreign Affairs), international treaties become not guiding documents, but a way to cover up their actions.

              However, if we are talking about a hypothetical situation in which our Navy can organize regular duty of the first ranks in the Atlantic and issue them with an accurate control center to intercept the necessary ships, then this means that in this alternative reality our Navy is so powerful that the Russian Federation will definitely be able to use the international law in their own interests. smile
              1. Negro
                Negro April 29 2022 11: 40
                +2
                You see, I'm not talking about virtual Russia, but about the situation that exists now.
                1. Alexey RA
                  Alexey RA April 29 2022 12: 39
                  +4
                  Quote: Negro
                  You see, I'm not talking about virtual Russia, but about the situation that exists now.

                  What's the point in discussing the situation? somewhere in the Atlantic, a Brazilian cargo ship stops a ship of the Russian Navy in the context the situation that exists now?
                  Either the Russian Federation can organize the duty of ships in the Atlantic with the interception of ships (that is, at least it has a Northern Fleet of the 1982 model with the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the times of Gromyko), or we have the situation that is now. One out of two. And together these two realities do not converge.

                  With the same success, one can discuss the features of the use of Russian aircraft carriers from the point of view the situation that exists now. smile
                2. volodimer
                  volodimer April 29 2022 14: 51
                  0
                  If you haven't noticed, I didn't write about the current situation at all.
                  It's not worth breaking spears in vain. But the fact is that the West has long spit on all the rules and left only the right of the strong.
                  A very recent example:
                  https://topwar.ru/192778-francuzy-zaderzhali-v-prolive-la-mansh-rossijskoe-grazhdanskoe-sudno.html
              2. yehat2
                yehat2 April 29 2022 11: 46
                -3
                the captain of the submarine "it seems that a leak measuring 4 by 4 meters has suddenly formed in the Brazilian ship. I can't help it..."
                1. Negro
                  Negro April 29 2022 11: 57
                  +7
                  Unlimited submarine warfare in the Atlantic? Oh, it's always a good idea.

                  The Germans double-checked.
                  1. yehat2
                    yehat2 April 29 2022 12: 03
                    -4
                    why the war in the atlantic?
                    just a failed attempt to save a sinking ship
          2. yehat2
            yehat2 April 29 2022 11: 44
            +2
            I will subscribe to what has been said - just look at what the Israelis and Americans are doing in the Middle East - they easily land assault groups on passing ships.
    3. novel66
      novel66 April 29 2022 08: 48
      +5
      35 mm Oerlikon automatic cannons

      anyway they don't fit lol
  7. VicktorVR
    VicktorVR April 29 2022 06: 40
    0
    And at whose expense is the banquet?
    Who will pay KMW?
    The technique is not even in the state. property.
    And who will pay Brazil for the ammunition?
    By the way, Bolsonaro recently assured of friendship ...
    1. novel66
      novel66 April 29 2022 08: 49
      +3
      oh those latinos
    2. Graz
      Graz April 29 2022 12: 55
      +2
      everyone will simply pay with the frozen reserves of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation
    3. whitebeard
      whitebeard April 29 2022 22: 44
      -2
      Have you seen how hot Brazilian girls wiggle their asses on a caravan in Rio? That's the same Latin American friendship ;)
    4. Orsis338
      Orsis338 April 30 2022 20: 25
      +1
      Russia will pay out of all seized assets)
  8. Negro
    Negro April 29 2022 07: 04
    +19
    )))
    Stories about "outdated" and "useless" heavy equipment being transferred to Ukraine are always amusing. Against the background of the stories of all sorts of Novorossian riflemen there about who, how and with what conducts a special military operation in the LDNR sector.
    1. Proctologist
      Proctologist April 29 2022 09: 58
      +2
      An example of an outdated technique that suddenly turned out to be effective with the right tactics for its application. 100 years after its appearance, moreover.

    2. whitebeard
      whitebeard April 29 2022 22: 47
      +4
      Alas, these are the conditions of propaganda)) Ours is Mosinki and still hoo in capable hands, "theirs" - obsolete ZSUs based on Leopards (which, for a moment, are based on the main tank and can operate in the 1st echelon or very close to it, and we, for example, do not have such a ZSU, unless you count the BMPT, but their capabilities for operating on the same drones are limited, and, as I understand it, they have not yet been noticed in the current SVO)
      1. LastPS
        LastPS April 30 2022 09: 55
        +2
        In small arms, roughly speaking, nothing has changed since the end of WWII. A bolt, in the form of a sniper rifle, is always relevant, the same Enfields served in the British army back in the 80s, and even now they can perform their functions quite effectively. With air defense systems, everything is already more difficult, progress is progressing by leaps and bounds there. The Ataka ATGM no longer needed to enter the affected area of ​​this complex, and even more so for a whirlwind, plus with modern thermal imagers it is already much easier to see this cheetah.
  9. Aleksey Aleksandrovich
    Aleksey Aleksandrovich April 29 2022 07: 27
    -23
    Chassis of an ancient tank, two guns with a range of 4 km. The value precisely as from ZSU is very doubtful.
    And the Ukrainians have no calculations trained for these chariots.
    In general, so-so help.
    1. Valery Vp
      Valery Vp April 29 2022 08: 10
      +9
      Quote: Alexey Alexandrovich
      Chassis of an ancient tank, two guns with a range of 4 km. The value precisely as from ZSU is very doubtful.
      And the Ukrainians have no calculations trained for these chariots.
      In general, so-so help.

      don’t tell me, against lightly armored vehicles and infantry, but in urban battles, but in a good fortified position ... x / z how would I pick it out of there ... but in the city, neither aviation nor artillery will really help ... well, if only the whole block is in rubble ... like zsu yes - shilka - shilka ...
    2. miracle3213
      miracle3213 April 29 2022 13: 32
      +3
      We put the car in greenery, we mask it well. We sit quietly. We don’t start the engine, we don’t use the radio, we don’t move. We are waiting for the column. When they appear, we let them in at 300-400 meters and shoot from two barrels at the entire ammunition. Then we leave the car and go into the forest on foot. Why not tactics?
      1. Aleksey Aleksandrovich
        Aleksey Aleksandrovich April 29 2022 14: 40
        +2
        Why leave the car??
        It's not a tactic, it's idiocy))
      2. stankow
        stankow April 30 2022 00: 27
        +1
        Faster on foot than on a goose, right? :)
  10. riwas
    riwas April 29 2022 09: 28
    0
    The bad news is that 35mm cannons can fire shrapnel rounds that will intercept air-to-ground missiles. We'll have to sweat, attack from several sides, several SD.
    1. Wildcat
      Wildcat April 29 2022 14: 09
      +3
      IMHO, they didn’t put an “air explosion” on the Cheetahs
  11. Cowbra
    Cowbra April 29 2022 10: 29
    0
    Yes, there the dill yesterday already expressed its fi on the Cheetahs, to which the Germans naturally went nuts, they say, eat what they give
  12. spech
    spech April 29 2022 12: 39
    +5
    Ryabov has all carbon paper articles, the name and performance characteristics of equipment are changing.
  13. R
    R April 29 2022 12: 42
    -1
    And what about diesel fuel for BT in general and these cats in particular? Will there be enough by that time for successful maneuvering and changing positions? I wonder if there is any analytics or intelligence on the size of the fuel reserves of the ukrovermacht? As I understand it, they no longer "generate" their own, the railway bridge from Moldova has been destroyed. Again, for agricultural work, you also need to allocate. After all, someday the stocks must run out ... Are the echelons with tanks coming from Poland in an endless stream?
    1. Negro
      Negro April 29 2022 17: 13
      +1
      There is no railway bridge from Moldova and there was not, there is a land border. This refers to the railway bridge across the Dniester estuary - the road to Romania. It is damaged, whether trains run through it - I do not know.

      It seems that today I saw reports of a shortage of gasoline at pumps in Kyiv. This is the first post on the fuel topic in 2+ months.
    2. whitebeard
      whitebeard April 29 2022 22: 52
      +2
      As for the fuel for the sowing season, they will not be distracted - there are reserves for this year, and what will happen to the population of Ukria next - no one cares, because everything will have been taken out by that time. The press itself is writing on this topic, almost without embarrassment, according to the type "everything for the front, everything for victory, this year there are even heaps of grub, and the next one can tighten their belts, and the West will help us, if anything, if to By that time we will not yet defeat Russia"
      1. Negro
        Negro April 30 2022 00: 02
        +1
        You see, the problems of Ukrainian agriculture in the current difficult time is not a topic that I am ready to discuss.
  14. iouris
    iouris April 29 2022 13: 11
    -4
    It's time for the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Federation Council to name the sponsors of terrorism and Nazism.
  15. Aleksandr Ivanov
    Aleksandr Ivanov April 29 2022 13: 34
    +3
    It must be admitted that at the moment Ukraine has an air defense umbrella with a height of 3,5 km, due to the fact that the railway communication with third countries has not been gouged, and more than 20 thousand MANPADS have been received. Getting these machines will strengthen the umbrella from helicopter-prone directions. Therefore, each helicopter flight over the territory of the Nazis becomes a "Russian roulette" for helicopters. Since the homing heads are not only thermal, but the machines can be used as VNOS machines.
  16. Wildcat
    Wildcat April 29 2022 14: 04
    +9
    Hmm, apparently it’s impossible to write articles differently now ...
    winked
    By the way, I didn't guess the title of the article. request :
    "We are waiting for an article on the VO "Useless cat Cheetah for the Armed Forces of Ukraine", approximate content:
    -old
    -inefficient
    -can't master
    - with poor passability, heavy
    where to get BC
    -destroy at the border
    -It's too late for the APU.
    "

    Well, at least the articles themselves are there!

    According to SABZH: the latest versions of the Cheetah were developed by:
    - with MANPADS (IMHO, a very unpleasant "far hand" "fired and forgot" with the SLA, and not the eyes).
    - with the possibility of "remote control" (this is when the car stood separately, without a crew and worked on designated targets), in fact, a crewless air defense robot.

    IMHO, there should also be a system for exchanging information / distributing targets, but I did not find such data. Probably, options for an "air blast" ammunition were considered, as on MANTIS, but no mention could be found.

    Video from the manufacturer:
    1. spirit
      spirit April 29 2022 15: 52
      +7
      Cheetah for the Armed Forces", approximate content:
      -old
      -inefficient
      -can't master
      - with poor passability, heavy
      where to get BC
      -destroy at the border
      -It's too late for the Armed Forces."

      It remains for VO to write an Algorithm-neural network and pass through it all articles about the supply of weapons to Ukraine lol
      1. Wildcat
        Wildcat April 29 2022 16: 09
        +4
        Or maybe there is already such an automatic article generator somewhere. recourse
        Well, or "document template" - I always do that! repeat
  17. JPD
    JPD April 29 2022 15: 23
    0
    It would be nice to transfer the LNR-DNR ZSU-57-2 from the reserves ... and our guys on the front line would definitely not hurt ...,, hellish thresher, if I'm not mistaken.
  18. kolyan-111-53
    kolyan-111-53 April 29 2022 18: 16
    +2
    here the Swiss fellows said that they have neutrality and everyone go all on ...)). can afford not to get involved in anything, that's what it means to be independent
    1. iouris
      iouris April 29 2022 22: 21
      -5
      Doormen during WWII supplied the Oerlikons to the Reich. For gold. The Reich received gold at the mines in Dachau, Auschwitz, Treblinka. It's called deja vu. The Germans turned on the fool. And the Russians?
  19. konstantin68
    konstantin68 April 29 2022 21: 27
    0
    47 tons, however. "Shilka" is half as light. I’m even silent about the Tunguzka, it’s incorrect to compare.
    1. whitebeard
      whitebeard April 29 2022 22: 55
      +2
      Shiloks also have useless armor, and these can cover tank formations from the 2nd line, without much fear, which Shilki cannot afford.
  20. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek April 30 2022 07: 55
    0
    I feel that things will come to the point of attacking sea transports with torpedoes ....
  21. Oberleutnant
    Oberleutnant April 30 2022 16: 43
    -2
    The car is nothing. From my own experience, I know that the electrics are not reliable. Trash. After CBO, there is a lot of metal left for your steel plants.
  22. RED_ICE
    RED_ICE April 30 2022 16: 44
    0
    Why don't we urgently buy strike UAVs from China?
    1. sh3roman
      sh3roman 10 May 2022 16: 24
      0
      Lived up, stoked - beat the Chinese to buy weapons, but where is the confidence that they will sell
  23. Maxim Z.
    Maxim Z. April 30 2022 17: 07
    +3
    summary of the article on VO .... (any supplied foreign weapons) - outdated does not pose a danger
  24. Dkuznecov
    Dkuznecov April 30 2022 18: 07
    +2
    Something else is surprising: D. Kirby about the supply of arms to Ukraine:
    "We have not seen no Russian attempts to block this flow.
    And we'll just keep doing it."
  25. DeFalco
    DeFalco 1 May 2022 23: 16
    +1
    They are already delivering ZSU ...
    In principle, for the final fiasco, there are not enough supplies of long-range and medium-range air defense systems. Having lost air superiority, there will be a loss on the ground.
    1. igorbrsv
      igorbrsv 13 June 2022 11: 11
      0
      . for the final fiasco

      laughing
  26. Oberleutnant
    Oberleutnant 30 May 2022 17: 01
    0
    And big technical problems, especially with electrical systems. Often something goes wrong. For that, good cross. And a fast car. Hopefully west.
  27. certero
    certero 30 May 2022 17: 27
    0
    Dangerous thing.
  28. cash
    cash 2 June 2022 02: 16
    0
    no matter what anyone says, cheetahs are a formidable thing, especially if they stand somewhere in a forest plantation with their faces up, they can shoot down the same calibers or turntables, God forbid, + 2 twin 35 mm cannons, they can split both armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles, so destroy before going to the front
  29. igorbrsv
    igorbrsv 13 June 2022 10: 58
    0
    What a panic. The more variety of technology, the better. You can’t stock up on spare parts or personnel for it. It was self-propelled, it will become stationary
  30. misti1973
    misti1973 10 July 2022 19: 01
    0
    From an ambush, any helicopter will smash to shreds + almost any armored vehicles. They have programmable ammunition there, that is, this thing only looks like a Shilka or Tunguska, but it hits much more efficiently.
  31. alexey alexeyev_2
    alexey alexeyev_2 14 July 2022 06: 58
    0
    On you, God, we don’t feel good. Shilka, compared to a cheetah, is a masterpiece .. And it seems to be the same age.
  32. Denis812
    Denis812 19 July 2022 19: 40
    0
    For some reason, it seems to me that these ZSUs will be used as the Germans used the 88s. And how ours were used in the Chechen Shilka .. But not at all as air defense.