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The Central Asian question is an edge

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The Central Asian question is an edgeOn October 5, Vladimir Putin will fly to Dushanbe and meet with Emomali Rahmon. The two presidents plan to discuss, as they say in the official language, issues of bilateral cooperation.

The question of such plucked up there are many: here there is economy, contacts in the field of security, and the topic of interaction in integration associations, as well as various regional problems.

The central point of the Tajik-Russian talks to be held in Dushanbe will be the possible signing of an agreement on extending the tenure of the 201 Russian military base in Tajikistan.

Also, representatives of Dushanbe are very concerned about the economic component of Comrade Putin’s visit to fraternal Tajikistan. Now the Russian-Tajik working group is finishing work on a document designed to put an end to the discussion of duty-free imports of fuel and lubricants into the republic. After all, if earlier the share of the Russian Federation had to about 90% of fuel imports, then in the first half of 2012, this figure fell to 62%. The very question of the abolition of duties on imports of fuels and lubricants between the two countries has been discussed for a long time, since the 2010 year.

The most important issue is the growth of mutual trade and investment in Russia in the implementation of energy projects in Tajikistan. Putin-this is not Yeltsin, who did not know how Russian Tanks came to Yugoslavia, and he, of course, is aware that over the 8 months of 2012, trade between Tajikistan and Russia decreased by 3% compared to the same period last year. Comrade Rahmon also knows about this.

Tajikistan, like Kyrgyzstan, can become Russia's military-energy ally. If Dushanbe joins Russia and Kyrgyzstan, then Moscow will complete the Rogun hydropower station. This means, many analysts believe, that the Kremlin for the first time did in Central Asia, there is a certain choice: after all, speaking on the side of Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan and promising them water, Moscow opposes the Uzbeks, who do not approve the construction of hydropower plants without the permission of international experts.

“Water resources can become a problem around which relations in the Central Asian region will worsen,” сказал recently Islam Karimov (being not in Kirghizia or Tajikistan, but in Kazakhstan). “Everything can be aggravated so much that it can cause not just a religious confrontation, but war.”

The President of Uzbekistan called on Kazakhstan as an ally because, firstly, Kazakhstan is a strong country with mineral resources and also claiming a central role in the region, and the crow does not peck out the crow, and secondly, because: "" Uzbeks and Kazakhs live along the Syrdarya runoff for centuries. And from this point of view, we cannot be silent today when some plans arise that are decided without being interested at all, but what situation will we find tomorrow ”(Karimov’s words).

Karimov is dissatisfied with both the construction of the Rogun hydropower plant in Tajikistan and the Kambarata hydropower plant in Kyrgyzstan. He believes that these two water projects will create a water shortage in Central Asia, more precisely, they will take some water from the Uzbeks and Kazakhs. And they already lack.

And you cannot say that it is not objective. President of Uzbekistan, his concern explained: “The situation is further aggravated by the fact that in the area of ​​the construction of the Kambar-Ata hydroelectric station and the Rogun hydropower station, the tectonic fault is undergoing This is recognized by all seismologists of the world. Even recently, American seismologists in the state of Nevada decided that these tectonic faults are very serious. ” Karimov is afraid that the dam could break through. He believes that they are needed: first, international expertise, and, secondly, the consent of all countries living in the floodplains of two rivers. Moreover, the average annual need of Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan for water is satisfied by 70-75%, and if the Russians erect dams, how many percent will remain there?

Karimov’s concerns are understandable, but it’s probably also understandable for Russia that it’s quite difficult to reach any such international agreement with those entering and exiting the CSTO as if it’s a passing courtyard. The very reference to seismologists from the state of Nevada says that that the wolf in the forest looks that Karimov is looking towards America. Therefore, pressure is needed - and it is achieved through agreements with Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan.

Kyrgyzstan in the water issue, Russia is already behind, Tajikistan remained. "For the first time in post-Soviet 20 years, Moscow made a choice in the water and energy dispute of the countries of Central Asia, - пишет Alexander Shakhnazarov. “This is exactly how the September agreement on Russia's participation in the construction of the Kambarata hydropower plant cascade on the Naryn River in Kyrgyzstan, whose waters in the lower course go to Uzbekistan, is interpreted. A similar agreement can be signed by Putin in Dushanbe, and then the ball will be on the side of Tashkent. If they decide to reinforce the regional leader’s ambitions with the US military base, the subcontinent will split into two opposing coalitions. If the Uzbeks agree to share in the hydropower project, Central Asia will be transformed. ” Its former transformation took place in the Soviet era: “... the problem of the water-energy imbalance of the republics of Central Asia was solved quite simply. In the summer months, rivers flowed from the mountains of Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan, rotating turbines of hydroelectric power plants. This gave the mountain republics cheap electricity, and flatland dry Uzbekistan - water for irrigation. And in winter, the discharge of mountain rivers fell and then the lack of electricity to the neighbors was compensated by Uzbekistan, whose thermal power plants operated on their own gas. ”

But then there was Gorbachev, behind him - Yeltsin, the republics became “free”, instead of the USSR a bastard of the CIS was born. Over the years, Uzbekistan has learned to trump its blue fuel, on which the Tajiks depended, to put pressure on Russian Gazprom and even make friends with distant and close America. Today Tashkent knows how to make it clear to the neighbors who it is and who the neighbors are.

For example, 1 of April “joked” Uzbekistan: he took and shut off the gas valve to Tajikistan, and answering the following questions, he said that the most important thing for Tashkent was to supply gas not to the Tajik, but to the Chinese. An unexpected joke dragged on: gas supply to Tajikistan was resumed only on the night of April 16.

If Uzbekistan fears that there will be something wrong with hydropower plants, isn’t it better to establish good relations with its neighbors instead of friendship with America? The threats of the gas blockade, and even more so the war over water resources, are not only not the best argument in the dispute, but also not a dispute at all, but something else, which is extremely harmful for partnerships.

April Fool's gas valve overlap to Tajikistan is the second in 2012 year. The first took place in January - also, by the way, “sharp”, without any prior warning. The owner blocked the tap, and the point.

The Tajiks could find a way out of the energy impasse, and at the same time overcome the total dependence on Uzbekistan by building the Rogun hydropower station on the Vakhsh. That's what about it пишет Peter Bologov: “But even here the Uzbeks intervened - since the 2009 year, trains with cargoes for the construction of the station are constantly delayed on Uzbek territory. In Tashkent, they say that the construction of hydropower plants will lead to a decrease in the flow of the Amudarya and a decrease in the amount of water needed by the republic for agricultural needs. They are also threatening an environmental catastrophe, while ignoring the fact that, unlike Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan has forgotten to think about the fate of the Aral Sea, allowing its remnants to finally disappear into the desert. ”

The same Bologov tells about the border relations of Tajikistan and Uzbekistan: on the border fields of the last year since 1999, mines have been laid, on which Tajiks are undermined. In Tajikistan, “spy” hysteria is growing: from time to time one Uzbek spy of Tajik nationality is imprisoned on 13, then another on 18. The Uzbeks, in response, also “sew” spy cases with 14 and 20 terms. Who is bigger?..

As for the construction of hydropower plants, Karimov seems to exaggerate the danger and even inflates. For example, Nusrat Rakhmat (Uzbek), wrote an open letter to the presidents of Uzbekistan and Tajikistan; at the same time it appeared on the Internet. Quote from it: “And about the Rogun hydropower station I have my own point of view. I propose to reduce the height of the dam by at least 50 meters. I think the savings will be enough for the construction of another small hydroelectric station. We have to admit that in Uzbekistan some “scientists” too exaggerate its inexpediency and danger. Even in regional and district newspapers, satirical journals they began to illiterately criticize the project of this hydropower station, although it was designed in Tashkent. I personally disagree with some authors who write that there is a huge supply of salts under the hydroelectric station, and they seem to dissolve, or that the earthquake source is just under Rogun ”.

Well, “Nevada seismologists”, we add from ourselves, is a separate song. American

The question now is how Uzbekistan will respond to Russia, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan. They say that they will really be preparing for total non-friendship, that is, they will host American military bases. But maybe Karimov will come to his senses - and instead of hostility with neighbors he will admit that he is wrong and will make a compromise? The united nations are indeed a force, and the American bases have not united anyone yet. Here Atambayev, the Kyrgyz president, has already made a promise to withdraw the Americans from Manas to 2014 year. And Karimov suspended membership in the CSTO. One, therefore, is striving for rapprochement with Russia, which has finally outlined Central Asian priorities, and the second - is seeking from Russia.

“If two coalitions finally take shape in the region, Russia and Kyrgyzstan against Uzbekistan and the United States, military confrontation is inevitable,” пишет Alexander Shakhnazarov. - In fact, the blocks are already being formed, and between them an active and very hot diplomatic game will begin in the near future ... Considering that October’s visit of the Russian president to Dushanbe is expected, it is very likely that Tajikistan, whose interests in water energy dispute coincide with the Kyrgyz ". As a result: “If Putin’s visit to Dushanbe resolves two major contentious issues with Tajikistan, we can say that Uzbekistan will be in regional isolation - even the prospect of building two large dams on the largest transboundary rivers will give the Kyrgyz and Tajik leadership the strongest levers pressure on Uzbekistan. At the same time, the security of both countries will be guaranteed by Russia and its military presence. ”

In the coming days, willy-nilly, I. Karimov - against the backdrop of the current relatively neutral attitude of Kazakhstan towards Russian economic and political initiatives - will have to make difficult choices.

Russia's “hydropower” pressure on Mr. Karimov could be the peaceful key to Central Asia. This is not even about the Eurasian Union, but for the beginning about the normalization of relations between Uzbekistan and its neighbors - under the auspices and patronage of Russia. And this is in our difficult time - with its “double standards” and skillful propaganda of the right of the strong against the background of mass consumerism - already very much. You cannot build an economy on renting military bases. Another thing - energy. So let's live together, eh?

Observed Oleg Chuvakin
- especially for topwar.ru
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  1. PISTOL
    PISTOL 4 October 2012 09: 11
    +2
    I have no doubt that Putin will ruin everything there, otherwise he would not go there, as in Pakistan ...
    1. bairat
      bairat 4 October 2012 09: 42
      +1
      It is unlikely that he will resolve the situation, the presidents are still crazy there, and there is no need to lay great hopes on the agreements reached.
    2. INTER
      INTER 4 October 2012 09: 51
      +5
      Quote: GUN
      I have no doubt that Putin will ruin everything there, otherwise he would not go there, as in Pakistan ...

      I also have no doubt. That fox. In no case should the US be allowed into Asia, and China should be careful. yes
      1. bazilio
        bazilio 5 October 2012 18: 53
        0
        Is it possible to let the USA into the Russian Federation by providing a "transit" base?
        Bairat - take the trouble to explain what is the extravagance of Karimov? Moreover, in fact, without saliva and foam at the mouth, strictly in fact on not your personal opinion?
  2. General_Nogay
    General_Nogay 4 October 2012 09: 39
    +4
    1. Send all Uzbeks home
    2. To stir up the pro-Russian revolution
    3. Put your president
    4. Take all the best minds to Russia
    Delov is for such a powerful country as We are once two and all gentlemen!
    There would be political will !!!
    1. albanec
      albanec 4 October 2012 09: 55
      +15
      We are not Americans. We live and let our neighbors live, and on mutually beneficial conditions for the sake of peace and prosperity! drinks
      1. bazilio
        bazilio 5 October 2012 19: 01
        -2
        It is noticeable how the Russian Federation gives life for peace and prosperity, huh ...
        1. Piligrim
          Piligrim 7 October 2012 10: 59
          0
          This is where did she pin your tail?
          1. bazilio
            bazilio 8 October 2012 18: 20
            0
            Nobody pinched me anything. Explain why the Russian Federation interferes in the relationship between Tajiks, Kyrgyz and Uzbeks? Where is the principle of attracting the world community for the peaceful resolution of controversial issues so beloved for the Russian Federation? where are those favorite working groups 6 + 2 etc? Why is the RF on the issue of dams not interested in the opinion of the Uzbek side? As Westerners get into Libya and support the "freedom fighters", they are scolded, and how the Russian Federation acts with similar methods, so everything is fine, right?
    2. saruman
      saruman 4 October 2012 13: 08
      +3
      Quote: General_Nogay
      2. To stir up the pro-Russian revolution


      Any revolution there will be, as a result of the Islamic radical!
      1. bazilio
        bazilio 5 October 2012 19: 03
        0
        Saruman, do not judge what you do not know
    3. Brother Sarych
      Brother Sarych 4 October 2012 14: 19
      -1
      Get hungry, baby! It’s not a bad idea to think about something to crack!
    4. bazilio
      bazilio 5 October 2012 19: 00
      -1
      1. Send all Uzbeks home
      2. To stir up the pro-Russian revolution
      3. Put your president
      4. Take all the best minds to Russia

      1. And who then will work on low-paying jobs? You?
      2. For saying # 2, you can equate you with amerikos and call you "americos"
      3. About your president, see paragraph 2 above
      4. Take away all the minds in the Russian Federation so that they flow from there to the west.
      In addition, how can you explain the apparent inconsistency of your theses No. 1 and 4? Such statements can most likely be heard from a cheer-patriot cheer, not?
      1. Piligrim
        Piligrim 7 October 2012 11: 00
        0
        Yes! The first point is the most difficult. - poor Russia, how is it without the Uzbeks !? Will probably be wrapped up soon! crying
        1. bazilio
          bazilio 8 October 2012 18: 14
          0
          Pilgrim. explain why in Russia there are so many migrant workers?
  3. aksakal
    aksakal 4 October 2012 09: 41
    +16
    Still, it should be recognized - as an expert on geopolitical issues, Putin is much stronger than both the hunchback and the EBN combined. I think that it was not for nothing that the amers were straining when the prospect of a new presidential term for Putin arose - not a very weak rival for them.
    I’m almost sure that Uzbekistan will choose a peaceful path, enter the share of all these state district power stations and stop looking over the ocean. Well, except that sometimes no, no, he will look with longing for an unfulfilled -))))). Tashkent should not be king of Central Asia under the patronage of Amer, sadness -))))
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 4 October 2012 09: 43
      +4
      Quote: aksakal
      as a specialist in geopolitical issues


      You wouldn’t hurt people who work for him in this direction, there is a team the size of a small institute, and you are a specialist
      1. aksakal
        aksakal 4 October 2012 09: 56
        +12
        Quote: Vadivak
        You wouldn’t hurt people who work for him in this direction, there is a team the size of a small institute, and you are a specialist

        - I agree, perhaps so. I even apologize to the members of that small institute. Where was this team at the time of the same EBN? If it was not there, then Putin created it to work more efficiently. Those. EBN didn’t even think of it, and Putin understood and worked on it - also a rather big job. One selection of specialists in terms of what is worth. Who cares? I ascertain the fact that there is a difference between the actions of one and the other leader, he lived both at that and at the other, it is, and substantial, and who directly developed the algorithm of steps - all the same, all laurels to the chief -)))).
        Yes, I'm an expert. And often you have to write analytical materials with pros and cons for superiors. It does not want to think, writes that I don’t understand what the problem is, prepare the proper material for a decision. Well, you cook - with numbers, with plates, in one column - advantages, in the other - cons. The authorities make a decision, and if so, it reaps the benefits. And there’s nothing to merit if the decision turned out to be right. This is my job.
        And exactly the same work for the team for which you here defend Necha. Read the comic rules of Peter the Great, how to behave and adhere to this.
        1. tan0472
          tan0472 4 October 2012 11: 39
          +3
          Quote: aksakal
          And often you have to write analytical materials with pros and cons for superiors. It does not want to think, writes that I don’t understand what the problem is, prepare the proper material for a decision.

          Do not scold the authorities. They recognize - Kamcha-priest will be. laughing hi
          1. aksakal
            aksakal 4 October 2012 11: 41
            +3
            Quote: tan0472
            Do not scold the authorities. Recognize - Kamcha Popa will
            - I hope they don’t climb here -)))).
    2. plotnikov561956
      plotnikov561956 4 October 2012 12: 10
      +3
      A team may be bigger than an institute. But the fact that GDP is a grandmaster in geopolitics is a fact. You don’t need to talk about a strategist. But wait and see. Against the background of other clowns, you can’t call some others. WWP is a size and a statesman. However, this is a patriot of Russia ..
      1. m959p
        m959p 4 October 2012 14: 46
        +1
        Well done 5+ room
    3. bazilio
      bazilio 5 October 2012 19: 06
      0
      Dear Aksakal, do you think that Astana will be king? Oh I doubt
      1. Piligrim
        Piligrim 7 October 2012 11: 03
        0
        Well, over the past 10 years, Astana has clearly been a leader in the region. And you need to get out of your shell already, and open Uzbekistan to the whole world! Yes, and you first of all look at the surrounding reality.
  4. King
    King 4 October 2012 09: 51
    +2
    It is a pity that Putin has to restore everything that Medvedev destroyed.
    1. Purgen
      Purgen 4 October 2012 11: 50
      +7
      Medvedev, "the punks stealing apples" in comparison with the "glavshpanami" EBN (who just didn't care ... yuh, he was drinking) and Gorby (just stupidly blissful, but according to the modern "goof"). These two have twisted that five more "Putin" are needed. And the LADIES are so blissful with a tablet and a camera. Zuckerberg accepts. No normal head of state will communicate with a thief and a scammer like Zuckerberg. A scribe of shame.
      1. Raiven
        Raiven 4 October 2012 23: 03
        0
        I hope you are not talking about our President? angry
    2. Piligrim
      Piligrim 7 October 2012 11: 05
      0
      oh Is that what he destroyed? And if it was ruining, then where was Putin at that time ???
      If I don’t remember what, then he was at the same time the 2nd person in the country!
      king, this is certainly not a nickname about you - be more modest ...!
  5. mongoose
    mongoose 4 October 2012 09: 54
    0
    Russia should nevertheless introduce a visa regime with countries outside the CU, and if necessary, tighten the valve so that the Bay regimes are more compliant
    1. bazilio
      bazilio 5 October 2012 19: 08
      0
      And what will you achieve with visa regimes? Do you have a non-buy mode?
  6. The gentleman
    The gentleman 4 October 2012 10: 05
    +2
    I will say this, in the political game no one knows the winner ... of course, there are a lot of questions, but the leading role of Uzbekistan in Central Asia was also in the Soviet era, hence the heated debate on this topic. If Russia wants to be in Central Asia, then it should take responsibility and be a mediator.
    1. bazilio
      bazilio 5 October 2012 19: 12
      0
      Gentleman aka, for many of the visitors to this site, the expression "pick" is unfamiliar. And very few people know how to debate here.
      Many simply subscribe to the opinion of one "smart" and that's it.
      In order to realize the argument you have expressed, you must first study the history of Central Asia in the Soviet period. And who from here knows her?
  7. SSR
    SSR 4 October 2012 10: 28
    0
    “Water resources can become a problemaround which relations in the Central Asian region will aggravate, Islam Karimov said recently
    the problem of the region Karimov himself
    Everything can be aggravated so much that it can cause not just religious confrontation, but war. ”
    In this "war" Uzbekistan will be alone (in the region)

    President of Uzbekistan calls on Kazakhstan to be allies

    the same Kazakhs and Kyrgyz are essentially one people)))
    ““ The Uzbeks and Kazakhs have been living below the most in the Syr Darya runoff for many centuries.

    This is how many centuries how the state of Uzbekistan appeared? and the concept of Uzbek))))) hi
    1. SSR
      SSR 4 October 2012 11: 05
      +4
      1) Until the beginning of the twentieth century, there is no clear isolation and separation of the Uzbek ethnos in any historical source or in the fixed reports of local residents. There is a term "Sart" - to designate the entire sedentary population of Central Asia, there are Kyrgyz, Turkmen and Kazakhs, there are no Uzbeks.

      2) During the XNUMXth-XNUMXth centuries, a strange ethnic term was used - "Kazakhs-Uzbeks" or vice versa "Uzbek-Kazakhs", which quite often, especially in Persian sources, refer to the inhabitants of the Desht-i-Kipchak steppe, i.e. ... modern South and Central Kazakhstan.

      3) "Historical" Uzbeks - i.e. direct ancestors of modern Uzbeks, appeared on the historical arena relatively recently and came to the territory of modern Uzbekistan from outside. These "Uzbeks" were not some kind of clan or tribe around which a process of some ethnogenesis was taking place, but the collective name of the population of the nomadic state of the descendants of Sheibani Khan.

      4) The very name "Uzbek" has spread to the population of modern Uzbekistan due to a number of subjective, and in many respects, just random reasons.

      The independent Kokand khans (the khanate existed in the Ferghana Valley in the 1710-1870s) also considered themselves to be descendants of Genghis Khan, but actually descended from the tribe of another tribe - ming.

      All the same, V. Yudin is right - "Uzbeks Desht-i-Kipchak" - it was precisely a nomadic ethnos and it disappeared "(Yudin p. 99). He disappeared practically without a trace.

      Considering Timur the great ancestor of the Uzbeks is about the same as believing Chinganchguk as the founder of the United States of America.
      1. SSR
        SSR 4 October 2012 13: 29
        +1
        "The history of my people is rooted in the depths of centuries and has more than three thousand years." (Karimov I.A. Address at the 48th session of the UN General Assembly 28 Sept. 1993 // Stability and Reforms, Moscow, "Paleya", 1996, p. 359).

        It is understandable the desire of every self-respecting people to have a long and impressive history. The history of their victories (less often - defeats), a cohort of harsh but fair rulers, stories about great commanders, leaders and campaigns. All this is so, but one must know the measure. A vivid example of an immeasurable and intemperate attitude towards the past is the Republic of Uzbekistan, or rather its rulers, and more precisely, President Islam Abduganievich Karimov, as a personal embodiment of the modern power hierarchy in Tashkent and its environs.

        Of course, the desire to be a direct descendant of the conqueror of Asia, Great Timur, is understandable.and not, say, tea house-keeper Bobomurod Mirzoyev or a sickle (cook pilaf) Yusupjon-aka, who has four grumpy wives and a half dozen hungry kids.

        In general, And Karimov could not think of declaring that it was the powerful Uzbeks who had destroyed the dinosaurs.
        1. Shuhrat turani
          Shuhrat turani 4 October 2012 15: 37
          -2
          Quote: SSR
          In general, And Karimov could not think of declaring that it was the powerful Uzbeks who had destroyed the dinosaurs.


          THIS is more justified than your stories about Russian Hyperboreans ... Don’t distort ... Modern Uzbeks are descendants of ancient cultures of Middle Asia ... And the name itself does not mean anything ....

          Russian was originally only a sign of citizenship. those. ruled by the clan of Rus (Viking-Waring-Varangians)
          1. SSR
            SSR 4 October 2012 16: 50
            0
            Quote: Shuhrat Turani
            THIS is more justified than your stories about hyperborea-Russians
            Dear Shuhrat))) I do not have such stories)) it is to others who tell such stories)))
            Modern Uzbeks - descendants of the ancients

            Well, actually we are all descendants of the ancients))
      2. de_monSher
        de_monSher 4 October 2012 23: 52
        +1
        SSR

        o_O ... Actually, you, apparently, have big problems, not with tolerance = nafih this concept = - no, with simple logic.

        Based on your logic, it is folly to consider Novgorod the Great as part of the history of Russia. Novgorod, finally can be considered a pridetsta part of Scandinavian history = I will not publish sources, I will only say - there are such =. To regard Kiev as the "mother of Russian cities" is nonsense. Preserved historical reports of the spies of the emperor of Byzantium, when she first encountered Russia, and naturally wanted to know - what kind of "zver" it was? The report was stunning and meek, - "In Kiev live ... Swedes (Varangians)!" Etc. etc.

        In general, a person - if you want to be smart, watch your statements. You do not have enough knowledge, and to shine with stupidity is only to make people laugh.

        If you want to speak out about the LEADERSHIP of Uzbekistan, I have nothing against it - DO NOT QUESTION.

        Is the essence of my words clear to you? Are there grievances?
      3. bazilio
        bazilio 5 October 2012 19: 26
        0
        Dear SSR

        Take the trouble to explain what kind of tribe is Russian? As an example, the unconditional Russian noble family of the Yusupovs (the surname is widespread including in Uzbekistan).
        Explain what in your understanding the term ethnogenesis and ethnonym mean?

        The ethnonym "Uebeki" comes from the Khan Uzbek. see below
        "The Arab writer Ibn Battuta, who was honored with a personal audience with him in 1333, gave Uzbek the highest rating: “He is one of those seven kings who are the greatest and most powerful kings of the world.” About the Uzbek Khan, as a statesman and man, many Arab-Persian authors of the XIV-XV centuries wrote. Arab chronicler al-Mu-Faddal: "... He is a young man of beautiful appearance, of excellent character, a wonderful Muslim, brave and energetic." An Arab geographer and historian of the turn of the fourteenth and fifteenth centuries, at the same time the chief judge of the Egyptian sultans, later a teacher at the highest madrassah in Cairo al-Aini: “He [Uzbek] was a brave and courageous man, religious and pious, respected lawyers, loved scholars, obeyed [ advice] them, trusted them, was merciful to them, visited the sheikhs and showed them good. ”[1]

        Al-Birzali, for example, writes: “When this king [Tokta] died, then after him reigned Uzbek Khan, a man of about thirty. He professed Islam, distinguished himself by his intellect, beautiful appearance and figure. " And in another place: "a young man of a beautiful appearance, a fine disposition, an excellent Muslim and a brave man." Al-Zahabi speaks of him in the same vein: "... a brave hero, handsome in appearance, a Muslim who destroyed many emirs and wizards." Even the hulaguid historian Vassaf, who cannot be suspected of being friendly to Uzbekistan, praises him with great praise: “The pious prince Uzbek,” he writes, “is the son of Togluk, the son of Toktai, the son of Mengu-Timur, who has divine faith and royal splendor.” [2]

        Note that the name Uzbek was Turkic in origin and is mentioned in the Middle East even before the campaigns of Genghis Khan. The personal name "Uzbek" is found in Usama-ibn-Munkyz (d. 1188) in his Book of Edification; describing the events that took place in Iran under the Seljukids, the author notes that one of the leaders of the troops of the ruler of Hamadan Bursuk in 1115-1116. was the "emir of the troops" Uzbek - the ruler of Mosul [3]. According to Rashid ad-din, the last representative of the Turkic dynasty of the Ildegizids who ruled in Tabriz, his name was Uzbek Muzaffar (1210-1225) [4]. "
  8. borisst64
    borisst64 4 October 2012 10: 42
    +1
    For a long time, analysts have predicted a great war for water. Russia and China have one of the sore issues - Cupid and its tributaries. And here Central Asia throws up tasks.
  9. aleksey
    aleksey 4 October 2012 10: 54
    +3
    "an old friend is better than two new ones", "a bad world is better than a good war" - what other folk wisdom must be remembered in order to understand that without the regulating role of Russia in Central Asia, a relatively long peace and good-neighborliness are impossible .. amers are not suitable - they are specialists. professionals in creating chaos. Putin will not just go for a ride; before the visit of the head of state, most issues are worked out in advance. It is necessary to reconcile everyone and involve in one common cause, but amers and Chinese nafig, the Chinese have never been friends ... what other options are there? can stir up a war? Russia does not need it 200%.
    1. bazilio
      bazilio 5 October 2012 19: 54
      0
      Alexei, the CA states existed and regulated relations between themselves long before the arrival of Russia. About old friends - for almost all CA states, the Chinese are the more ancient "friends"
      1. Piligrim
        Piligrim 7 October 2012 11: 09
        +1
        You have correctly quoted the word "friends" in relation to China! here I agree with you!
  10. Stone
    Stone 4 October 2012 11: 57
    +2
    A complex knot of relations is tied up in Central Asia. The key figure in it is the leader of Uzbekistan. Replacing it, you can solve the bulk of the problems of the region. The actions of this leader have long since acquired a shade of folly in politics, in the economy, and most importantly in relation to their own people. His (pride ) -independence is directly proportional to poverty, lawlessness and the degrading situation of the Uzbek people. A solution is necessary, and urgently!
    1. aksakal
      aksakal 4 October 2012 13: 02
      -1
      Quote: Batu
      The actions of this leader have long since taken on a shade of folly in politics, in the economy, and most importantly in relation to their own people. His (pride) independence is directly proportional to the poverty, lawlessness and humiliating position of the Uzbek people. A solution is necessary, and urgently!

      - deja vu! Somewhere already I heard this? Even intonations are familiar! But I can’t remember where! And more recently. -)))))) Who will tell?
      1. aksakal
        aksakal 4 October 2012 15: 20
        0
        Quote: aksakal
        But I can’t remember where! And more recently. -)))))) Who will tell?

        - I remembered !!!!!! Now, if in the phrase: "The actions of this leader have long taken on a shade of folly in politics, in the economy, and most importantly in relation to their own people. His (pride) -independence is directly proportional to poverty, lawlessness and a humiliating position Uzbek people. The decision is necessary, and urgently! - instead of the word "Uzbek" put the word "Egyptian", or "Libyan", or "Syrian", that's where I heard it !!!
        That's an honor - Obama himself came to us !!!! Under the nickname "Batu"!
        Mr. President, why such a nickname? What is due to?
        1. Stone
          Stone 4 October 2012 23: 16
          +1
          The general is to blame! Be lenient to a simple soldier. I am not worthy of such a position! My thoughts are due to the fact that I am rooted in that region. As for the change of power, I meant replacing it with a more loyal one to the countries of the former USSR. Earlier, they were one country and now we don’t hold our nose in the wind! Unity is a word that is already forgotten, it's time to remind ...
          1. bazilio
            bazilio 5 October 2012 19: 59
            0
            Dear Batu, what about the principle of sovereignty of all states? or should the sovereignty of the former USSR states meet the interests of the Russian Federation? so what?
          2. Piligrim
            Piligrim 7 October 2012 11: 15
            0
            After the collapse of the USSR, the Uzbeks from all Middle Asian republics had the best position to start. industry, and even high-tech was not poorly represented, plus at the beginning of the very first joint venture with the Koreans. there is a lot of population, gas, it seems live to yourselves and develop! But no, something closed there, something began to fail! and eventually rolled back to the current level of the Tajik Tajiks. production is dead. And what is happening there they don’t understand, even their neighbors are Kazakhs.
    2. bazilio
      bazilio 5 October 2012 19: 57
      0
      And now, in order not to be unfounded, give facts confirming the correctness of your words
  11. wax
    wax 4 October 2012 11: 59
    0
    We have water for Central Asia only. If they want to live, they will buy, and the payment is of course interdependence, which means peace. It is interesting that Uzbekistan has nothing to desalinate - there is no access to the Caspian Sea. As for gas, Uzbekistan is not in an exclusive position, it is reckless to trump the six against larger cards - you must re-issue the cards and start a new game. If the leadership of Uzbekistan sees water sources in America, let it begin to build a water conduit.
    1. tan0472
      tan0472 4 October 2012 12: 12
      0
      Quote: Wax
      trump six against larger cards rashly -

      Compare the population of Uzbekistan and all its neighbors combined.
      1. aksakal
        aksakal 4 October 2012 13: 06
        +1
        Quote: tan0472
        Compare the population of Uzbekistan and all its neighbors combined.

        - The population is only one of the components. There is still military power, economic power, scientific and technical potential, the availability of resources and other .... Besides population, Uzbekistan has nothing to boast of. The only high-tech factory in Uzbekistan - TAPOiCH has already disappeared, and instead they are proud of the screwdriver assembly of Korean cars. Yeah....
        1. Brother Sarych
          Brother Sarych 4 October 2012 14: 23
          -3
          Well, in Kazakhstan, and they can’t do this - they also sold almost everything and destroyed ...
          But this is not about that ...
          1. aksakal
            aksakal 4 October 2012 15: 54
            0
            Quote: Brother Sarich
            Well, in Kazakhstan they can’t do this either - almost all of them were sold and destroyed ... But this is not the point ...

            - only those that were reanimated and made competitive were impossible to destroy. The fact that Kakhakhstan could not be pulled due to the lack of resources and personnel - Baikonur, Kurchatov, the Sary-Shagan training ground - was leased to those who can maintain and operate with benefit for themselves on mutually beneficial conditions.
            Instead of being destroyed, it was more than replaced by other things that are more in demand in the world economy - for example, instead of a practically zero level of uranium mining, they came out on top in this indicator, pushing back the former leaders - Australia and Canada. The service sector has grown. Etc.
            So they did not sell or destroy anything. Restructured, that will be more accurate. Changed the economy, sharpened by the needs of the USSR to the economy, sharpened by world needs.
            1. Brother Sarych
              Brother Sarych 4 October 2012 16: 43
              -2
              Everyone says so - there is no plant, so it was restructured in accordance with the needs of the world market ...
              1. Bekzat
                Bekzat 4 October 2012 17: 14
                0
                By the way, I forgot, we have factories that have not lost capacity, for example
                Aktobe Ferroalloy Plant, Pavlodar Tractor Plant.
              2. Piligrim
                Piligrim 7 October 2012 11: 21
                0
                Nevertheless, the Uzbeks are working with a shaft of a rod in KZ, and not vice versa! In Chimka, how much real estate was built by the Uzbeks, and they live there in Chimkent! This is the best indicator of the economies of the two countries.
          2. Bekzat
            Bekzat 4 October 2012 17: 11
            +2
            For Brother Sarych, of course, everything is bad in Kazakhstan, we sold and destroyed everything, but at least ours do not go to the CIS countries to earn money, there is enough work in Kazakhstan itself, if only there was a desire.
            Maybe I’ve gone too far, but it hurts me that you are constantly trying to hurt Kazakhstan. Be prudent and do not insult other nations. Less to you.
            1. Brother Sarych
              Brother Sarych 4 October 2012 17: 50
              -1
              Kazakhstan was compared with Uzbekistan - we physically have nowhere to put so many people! Yes, you sold almost everything, so it’s easier to create the appearance of well-being for a smaller number of people! You will not argue that in the outback and you have a quiet horror?
              1. Bekzat
                Bekzat 4 October 2012 18: 08
                0
                For Brother Sarych.
                It is in the hinterland that people live well. In Aralsk, the richest people in all of the Kyzylorda region, because people work, raise cattle, mainly camels. One adult camel costs approximately 3000-4000 US dollars. People work, and for themselves. Cottagers trade their own groceries in the bazaar, and city dwellers buy country houses, not imported ones. The Government has adopted a program on the settlement of the outback by young specialists (teachers, doctors, etc.) they are sponsored, given out at home and for free, the only thing you have to go to the outback. Outback compared to the city, it lives much better. At least I judge by my area.
                1. Brother Sarych
                  Brother Sarych 4 October 2012 20: 25
                  -1
                  Actually, everything is a bit wrong - I know more about this and that ...
                  To rejoice that someone lives poorly or at least not worth gloating, but also in Kazakhstan in the outback is also more than worthless ...
              2. aksakal
                aksakal 4 October 2012 19: 29
                +2
                Quote: Brother Sarich
                we physically have nowhere to put so many people!
                - here is the Eurasian Union and will provide an opportunity to create in Uzbekistan as many places as needed -)))). In the USSR, no one was surprised and no one was outraged that in every Russian city the best fruits, as well as dried apricots, other nuts were sold only by Uzbeks. No one was indignant that the Uzbeks lived better on the territory of the USSR! When the Uzbeks were in trouble in the form of a terrible earthquake that destroyed Tashkent, the whole Union came to the rescue and helped rebuild the beautiful capital. No Taliban could even dream then, and not only dream, they were afraid to think about the invasion of Uzbekistan as part of the USSR! Because they knew how it would end for them! And now they’re not only dreaming - they are really attacking! Moreover, Uzbekistan itself is afraid of them to the point!
                What now? Is that such a price of freedom? And it’s interesting - in Uzbekistan they drive half of the farmers grown by hard-working hands on the fertile Uzbek land of fruits and vegetables, and at this time in Kamchatka, I have a friend there, the warrior lives, the price of tinted cherries does not drop below 350 rubles in the season itself. And usually it costs 500 rubles! Within the framework of the Eurasian Union, one can find mutually acceptable interest here - approximately as in the Union.
                Or here's another - Uzbekiston grows cotton. China buys it and produces T-shirts. And the Russian giant, the Eldorado trading network, needs cotton T-shirts with the trading network logo for its thousands of employees. Where to order - guess three times? If you guessed right, what link is clearly superfluous? Here's another project with many thousands of jobs.
                I can bring many more advantages. And only one minus - this is uninteresting only to Karimov and Co. personally, that is, to your elite. We sat down on power, found a topic, the rest of the people - sideways, and now, as it were, to sit longer! And the people are really sorry - he did not deserve this.
                1. Brother Sarych
                  Brother Sarych 4 October 2012 20: 28
                  0
                  You will be surprised how many hb made in Uzbekistan in Russia! I myself was surprised at one time ...
                  So what about China in this case, by, and this year Russia itself slowed down the import of fruits and vegetables from Uzbekistan - well, let it be, but our bazaars are still breaking, but, let’s say, last year it wasn’t quite like that .. .
                  1. aksakal
                    aksakal 4 October 2012 21: 28
                    0
                    Quote: Brother Sarich
                    and this year Russia itself slowed down the import of fruits and vegetables from Uzbekistan
                    - Onishchenko is an effective Russian weapon against non-allies. Against allies, this weapon is prohibited to use -))))
                    1. Brother Sarych
                      Brother Sarych 4 October 2012 22: 18
                      0
                      Actually, while it acted only against friends ...
              3. Piligrim
                Piligrim 7 October 2012 11: 25
                0
                /we physically have nowhere to put so many people/ - this is an excuse !!!
                I have not heard this! Yes, to say nothing is not!
                What about India, China? where do they put their people? Have you tried hanging? lol
                Well, or sterilization there. And legislatively, in a civilized way, if, of course, this is the problem, are there any restrictions on the birth rate?
        2. Piligrim
          Piligrim 7 October 2012 11: 17
          0
          I completely agree with you. Aksakal. The blame for the isolation of the country.
    2. Beck
      Beck 5 October 2012 14: 43
      0
      Quote: Wax
      We have water for Central Asia only. If they want to live, they will buy,


      How will you sell it? Rivers, will you turn to the south or carry with buckets? Well, so as not to think before blurt out.
    3. de_monSher
      de_monSher 5 October 2012 20: 06
      +1
      wax

      I don’t know where you are from = your flag is like Russian, but you reason as a resident of one of the mountainous republics above =

      You are mistaken in claiming that only you have water. The groundwater reserves of Uzbekistan and Southern Kazakhstan are enormous - you can say the underground seas. One of the proofs of this is that until now in Abai and Tashkent, mineral waters come from wells - by gravity. Simply, you must have a firm understanding that nobody will buy water from you, and if need is squeezed, industrial development of these reserves will begin. And this, believe me, is a complete zvizdets of the region’s ecology. Including not pozdovorovitstsa and those who live higher in the mountains.
    4. bazilio
      bazilio 5 October 2012 20: 17
      0
      Dear Vaxa, your statement is more reminiscent of children's babble from the cycle - give my toys away, do not write into my pot.
      According to your logic, except for the Russian Federation, no one from the CIS has the right to have relations with the United States? Then let the Russian Federation itself stop all relations with the United States and set an example. And it will also stop relations with the EU because they are friends with the states. Well? why doesn't the RF do it? Not economically viable, right? So let's not shine with our wit here, Comrade Major!
      1. Piligrim
        Piligrim 7 October 2012 11: 27
        0
        No need to juggle !!! love
  12. Shah
    Shah 4 October 2012 14: 31
    0
    Mi vse Turki, nado obyedinitsya i toqda budem sami diqtovat usloviya miru
  13. Brother Sarych
    Brother Sarych 4 October 2012 14: 31
    -3
    Great allies were chosen by Russia in the region - mighty Tajikistan and great Kyrgyzstan! And shit .. on the interests of such a trifle pot-bellied as Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan-why bother with them?
    If we also consider that in the choice of such profitable allies there are interests of the owners of the Tajik aluminum and future builders of dams, we will not point the finger specifically, then is it worth reckoning with the possible death of several million ... neighbors as a result of a possible breakthrough of the dam - the highly qualified exploiters have already been proved by one "small" Russian dam not very long ago ...
    It’s only there was taiga in the district, and here there are continuous settlements ...
    1. aksakal
      aksakal 4 October 2012 15: 30
      +4
      Quote: Brother Sarich
      Great allies were chosen by Russia in the region - mighty Tajikistan and great Kyrgyzstan! And shit .. on the interests of such a trifle pot-bellied as Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan-why bother with them?
      - Brother, no offense, but the article just about what is not against Uzbekistan, but what would be gentle to make Uzbekistan become with us. And if you noticed, for example, I don’t welcome Batu’s post - it’s a little higher, God doesn’t have to be compared to anyone. That is, without changing the regime and other things. Uzbekistan just needs to stop crooked movements, not try to push Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan into the background and in every possible way tame them, sometimes bully Kazakhstan and scare Russia with its flirting with America. Just to be a calm, even state, without unnecessary ambition and twitching. If you want to become a regional leader - become one in fact, for this
      Quote: aksakal
      There is also military power, economic power, scientific and technical potential, the availability of resources and other ..
      - to work on it, and everyone nearby will recognize themselves as a leader. And so, hysterically twitching, like, oh, you don’t recognize me, but I like that! - no, well, one laugh. It seems his daughter is smart? Also a beauty? So make her the Great Daughter of the Uzbek people, if Akela Karimov began to miss -))))
      1. Brother Sarych
        Brother Sarych 4 October 2012 15: 47
        -2
        I noticed...
        With whom - with you? The question itself begs - even if the interests of Kazakhstan do not give a damn about this issue? Already figs with Uzbekistan, since he was recorded as an enemy, although there was nothing hostile, and the question of the mythical base in Uzbekistan has been chasing from scratch for weeks now ...
        1. aksakal
          aksakal 4 October 2012 18: 17
          +1
          Quote: Brother Sarich
          I noticed ... With whom - with you? The question itself begs - even if the interests of Kazakhstan do not give a damn about this issue? Already figs with Uzbekistan, since he was recorded as an enemy, although there was nothing hostile, and the question of the mythical base in Uzbekistan has been chasing from scratch for weeks now ...
          - I mean the Union in the new format that is planned. The interests of Kazakhstan are to enter this union and see its neighbors there. No, it’s interesting itself - of course, full sovereignty, complete independence, etc. BUT! For this, a population of at least 200 lem is needed - it is with such a population that the economy can develop at the expense of its own resources and its own demand. But such a population is not close, and you’re breaking into the neighbor’s market - you know, each neighbor fed vitamin the market segment provided may ask for hell. If there is no relationship. Allied, for example. In addition, there is a giant neighbor in the East, we sometimes even sympathize with him in anti-Hamerian hysteria, but more often we remember that this neighbor loves foreign lands very much, sincerely considering them his own and is ready for a lot of them. Even for the useless stone islands of the sea. Tajikistan has recently dismissed such a hefty piece. It’s unpleasant, you know .... By the way, even Russia and even the same amers are afraid of this neighbor.
          I think the interests of Kazakhstan in this, probably, you have a different opinion. So share it.
    2. Piligrim
      Piligrim 7 October 2012 11: 29
      0
      You do not attach Kazakhstan to Uzbekistan. Where did the RF score on KZ?
  14. Shah
    Shah 4 October 2012 15: 02
    0
    Krome tadjikov vse ostalnie bratskie narodi, NASH SOYUZ MOJET BIT VELIKIY TURAN, A TADJIKI NASHI MUSULMANSKIE BRATYA
  15. Bekzat
    Bekzat 4 October 2012 16: 24
    0
    Greetings to all.
    A sore point is water resources in Central Asia. The flows of the Syr Darya are decreasing every year. I live not far from the river, and every year I notice that the river flow decreases. The Kazakhs blame the Uzbeks for this, who have built a large number of reservoirs, the Uzbeks blame the Tajiks and Turkmen for this, etc. These litigations lead to the fact that each of the parties is trying to "snatch" more water for itself, building a large number of reservoirs. All this leads to the destruction of the Aral Sea, to an ecological catastrophe.
    Here are the links:
    http://www.uznews.net/news_single.php?lng=ru&sub=&cid=32&nid=17537
    http://newscentralasia.net/2011/07/14/%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%BE%D1%85%D1%80%D0%B0
    %D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%89%D0%B0-%D1%83%D0%B7%D0%B1%D0%B5%D0%BA%D0%B8%D1%81%
    D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B0-%D1%83%D0%B1%D0%B8%D0%B9%D1%86%D1%8B-%D0%B0%D1%80/
    The countries of Central Asia need to agree on the rational use of water resources, otherwise this lawsuit could lead to worse (military clashes over water).
  16. dirty trick
    dirty trick 4 October 2012 17: 41
    +2
    Quote: Brother Sarich
    Great allies were chosen by Russia in the region - mighty Tajikistan and great Kyrgyzstan!

    quite logical decision! tell me, have you heard of such an organization as CSTO? relatively recently, uzbekistan again left it, in the hope that the usa would share a couple of used hammers ditched by the Taliban!
    1. Brother Sarych
      Brother Sarych 4 October 2012 17: 51
      -3
      In Kyrgyzstan, it’s already starting again - you can have mercy further ...
      1. stariy
        stariy 4 October 2012 18: 44
        +1
        Quote: Brother Sarich
        In Kyrgyzstan, it’s already starting again - you can have mercy on me ..

        See more closely the news. Two dozen bandits decided to cut down easily ... the prosecutor’s office is now doing this. It has nothing to do with geopolitics, only crime
        1. Brother Sarych
          Brother Sarych 4 October 2012 20: 30
          -1
          I always thought that Kyrgyzstan has nothing to do with geopolitics, only crime ...
          1. stariy
            stariy 4 October 2012 21: 33
            0
            Quote: Brother Sarich
            I always thought that Kyrgyzstan had nothing to do with geopolitics, only crime.

            Well, to rearrange the words to change the meaning of the bandits to call rebels very Western ... well, and of course not what kind of geopolitics.
  17. Stasi.
    Stasi. 4 October 2012 20: 49
    0
    Russia is trying to regain and strengthen its position and influence in Central Asia, and it succeeds. As for water resources. This is a really painful problem for the entire Central Asian region and it should be solved at a common table, all together. I am sure that there are still opportunities to restore the ecology of the Aral Sea, then the severity of the water issue will be significantly reduced. But for this it is necessary to step on the throat of your own grievances and ambitions, and this is very difficult. But it is very important, because the future of the peoples of Central Asia is at stake.
    1. Brother Sarych
      Brother Sarych 4 October 2012 22: 17
      0
      Today, the Aral Sea is a simple chatter, and without it there are enough problems ...
  18. His
    His 4 October 2012 22: 41
    0
    I do not know why Russia should spend its money on construction in these countries. Debts will never be repaid. I remember once and raised the virgin lands, but for whom?
    1. Beck
      Beck 5 October 2012 19: 30
      0
      Quote: Own
      I do not know why Russia should spend its money on construction in these countries. Debts will never be repaid. I remember once and raised the virgin lands, but for whom?


      Virgin soil was raised to give grain to the entire Union. Sokolovo-Sarbaiskoye, a rich, iron ore deposit was developed to supply iron to the Chelyabinsk metallurgical plants. By developing uranium ore in Mangyshlak to create atomic warheads of Soviet missiles. The Ust-Kamenogorsk lead-zinc plant was built to make bullets for the Red Army. In the Second World War, each 8 bullet was cast from the lead of Ust-Kamenogorsk. And what debts there can be. Debts are abroad.

      Our countries are building a new geopolitical space on the site of the former USSR. You are not OWN with such speeches, you are ALIEN.
  19. Megatron
    Megatron 5 October 2012 01: 17
    0
    To send all the Uzbeks home, and let them drink their gas or sniff there, it’s not a pity there.
  20. Rezun
    Rezun 5 October 2012 11: 06
    +2
    In my opinion, everything is much simpler and more serious!
    over the past two decades, the way of thinking of the population has changed - we have gained new knowledge and skills; learned to live and plan our life in a new way; learned to take risks and defend our interests. But, as always, our "elites" cannot learn and accept this It is now that the decisive step is behind them! The polarization of the world will lead to an unconditional concentration of human and material resources on the basis of unions of states. A lot of interests can be put at the basis of these unions, but the point is not in this - how to deploy national elites in the right direction?
    It is in this period of time that the choice of these elites will determine the future of the region due to the natural change of generations.
  21. YOUNG
    YOUNG 7 October 2012 20: 50
    +1
    I think that the leadership of Uzbekistan will still regret being "friends" with the United States. Everyone knows that the United States does not need allies, but vassals.
  22. Alex-UA
    Alex-UA 9 October 2012 14: 27
    0
    The so-called presidents do not set the task of safeguarding the interests of their people, but only the elites who surround them and can displace them. The situation with Uzbekistan is typical for Ukraine, Moldova, etc.