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Destruction of bridges across the Dnieper: the potential of Russian air bombs of the KAB series

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Railway bridge Petrovka across the Dnieper. Source: wikipedia.org


Bridges under fire


of the latter, News - Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine Danilov openly announced the study of a strike on the Crimean bridge. As far as this is technically possible, the official did not specify, but this fact itself should cause special attention. It is difficult to even imagine the problems with military and civilian logistics that the Russian group of troops will have. And this, not to mention serious reputational losses comparable to the death of the cruiser Moskva. Dmitry Medvedev has already commented on Danilov's attack:

“One of the stubborn Ukrainian bosses said about the need to strike at the Crimean bridge. I hope he understands that he will be a retaliatory target.”

Without disclosing retaliatory goals, we can say that the Ukrainian bridges across the Dnieper, which connect the two parts of the country, are already a tasty target for the Aerospace Forces. An endless stream of NATO weapons, capable of complicating the actions of the Russian army, should be cut off at the Dnieper line. In addition, reservists, as well as military personnel who have undergone retraining abroad, are transferred through these arteries.

In total, there are at least 45 bridge crossings on Ukrainian territory, each of which can be used to transfer enemy equipment and manpower. Of course, the destruction of all this economy will entail many problems. First of all, civil communications in the territories that are still controlled by the Kyiv regime will be disrupted. For example, in Kyiv, after the destruction of bridges, it will be impossible to get from the left bank to the right. The flow of refugees from the east of the country will also stop, and this to a large extent ties the hands of the Russian troops, who are forced to take into account the risks of civilian deaths. The hypothetical destruction of the famous all-welded Paton Bridge in Kyiv can be seen as a loss of cultural value. The destruction of bridge crossings at the Kakhovskaya, Kievskaya, Dneprovskaya, Kremenchugskaya and Srednedneprovskaya hydroelectric power stations will be catastrophic. Despite the fact that all these HPPs belong to the flat class, the water level in the Dnieper in case of destruction downstream, they will raise by several meters. The collapse of electricity throughout the country is not even worth talking about. However, it is possible not to bring the hydroelectric power station to the total destruction, the main thing is to disable the roadbed of the dams. The limited nature of the operation, which provides for the destruction of only critically important bridges for military logistics, cannot be dismissed. For example, only railway crossings.

Given all the humanitarian consequences of such strikes, we must answer one question - how far can we go in protecting our own military in Ukraine? Even the destruction of railway junctions in this situation looks like a half-measure. Who prevents NATO weapons from being unloaded from platforms in an open field? For Ukrainians, this is a difficult task, but far from overwhelming. Now in Ukraine the concept of military infrastructure is very vague. For example, can we talk about the Dnieper bridges as civilian infrastructure if they carry military cargo to the east? The question is rhetorical.

Complex goals for complex systems


Despite the complexity of destroying bridges, Russia has everything it needs for this - for example, Caliber and Iskander. However, the most effective way seems to be the destruction of bridges by high-precision corrected air bombs (KAB). Firstly, because it is much cheaper, and secondly, the warhead of heavy KABs is much more impressive. Unlike free-falling bombs, adjustable munitions can be dropped from a greater range from the target. In addition, the collateral damage from these high-precision munitions (circular probability deviation - up to 5-7 meters) is much more modest. By the way, in the "operating instructions" for adjustable bombs, railway and highway bridges are separately distinguished among the targets.


KAB-500OD (volumetric detonating). Source: gnppregion.ru

The main developer of Russian KABs is the Moscow JSC GNPP "Region", which is part of JSC "Corporation Tactical Missile Armament". The line of Russian corrected air bombs is distinguished by the unification of the main systems - homing heads, fuses, autopilot, steering gears, sources and interface systems with various carrier aircraft. If we do not take into account the entry-level air bomb KAB-250LG-E, which is suitable for destroying small warehouses and vulnerable equipment, then the KAB-500Kr opens the line of "bridge-piercing" devices. This is a universal bomb, which can be carried by the Su-24M, Su-25TM, Su-30MKI, Su-30MKK, Su-32, MiG-27K, MiG-29SMT and Su-34. Like other types of ammunition, the launch of a five-hundred-kilogram bomb can be carried out singly, in one gulp, from level flight, diving, pitching, and even at several spaced targets in one attack. The homing system is television-correlation. It is important that KAB-500Kr is a concrete-piercing ammunition capable of destroying up to 1,5 meters of reinforced concrete barriers or going 10 meters into medium-density soil. A three-meter bomb carrying 380 kilograms of explosives is an excellent tool for destroying bridge supports. Several volleys of such bombs can disable the bridge for a very long time. As you know, the destruction of the spans is not the most effective method - enemy engineering units will restore the tracks in a matter of days, but the destroyed supports will seriously complicate the work of the restoration teams. KAB-500Kr is an aerial bomb operating on the principle of "dropped and forgotten", which allows the carrier to leave the drop zone in time. In autonomous flight, the bomb is controlled by four aerodynamic rudders on autopilot commands. The bomb on the trajectory moves according to the ballistic algorithm from the calculated point of the carrier aircraft or the drop zone. A close analogue of the KAB-500Kr, which received an additional index E, is distinguished by a more advanced elemental base and a large application ceiling of 10 km. KAB-500Kr has a maximum drop height of 5 km.




KAB-500Kr. Source: gnppregion.ru

The laser guidance system is implemented in a series of corrected bombs KAB-500L and KAB-500LG. Ammunition is distinguished by a 460-kilogram warhead and a semi-active vane homing head, which is mounted on a gimbal suspension on the head body. The bomb captures the target at a distance of 5-7 kilometers with a visibility of 10 km. Bridges can be illuminated both from an external source and from the aircraft. The modern modification KAB-500S-E, which is actively used during the special operation, is equipped with a GLONASS guidance system, which also makes it possible to implement the “drop it and forget it” principle.




KAB-500S-E. Source: gnppregion.ru

And, finally, the real leaders among the corrected ammunition are the KAB-1500 series bombs, which can be used from all Russian combat aircraft, starting with the Su-30. The KAB-1500Kr and KAB-1500Kr-OD models are most suitable for destroying bridges directly. In the first case, the bomb has a high-explosive warhead (440 kg of explosives), in the second - a volumetric detonating warhead (650 kg of explosives). Ammunition is an impressive object with a length of 4,6 meters, a diameter of 0,58 meters and a drop-down plumage of 1,3 meters. If the Kr and OD series have a TV-correlation homing system, then the KAB-1500L-F variant already has a semi-active laser on a vane head. This is where the differences between the "laser" version end.


KAB-1500Kr. Source: gnppregion.ru

An excellent tool for destroying massive reinforced concrete parts of bridges is the KAB-1500L-Pr, which is distinguished by a concrete-piercing warhead capable of penetrating a barrier of 2 meters. Or enter the soil of medium density by 20 meters. As you can see from the index, this is a laser-guided bomb.


Managed Planning aviation bomb UPAB-1500B-E


Corrected aerial bomb K08BE. Source: KTRV, Mikhail Zherdev

The most modern one and a half ton bombs, which have already been tested in Ukraine, are UPAB-1500B (K08BE) and its gliding counterpart UPAB-1500B-E. The latest model is dropped at a distance of 50 kilometers from the target, which seriously increases the carrier's chances of being saved from enemy air defenses. The bomb carries more than a ton of warhead to the target using an inertial satellite guidance system.

With all the advantages of the KAB series systems, they have one global drawback - the need to use a manned carrier. Air defense in Ukraine, as you know, is not suppressed by 100%, which creates great risks when destroying enemy infrastructure. But for this purpose, the VKS has a number of specific “air defense openers”.
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  1. svp67
    svp67 April 25 2022 16: 23
    +18
    The problem with the violation of railway transportation is already being solved, but in a different way. Today, FIVE substations used for power supply of railways in the center and east of Ukraine have been destroyed. Now, for the transportation of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the transportation of UkrZaliznytsya in general, a lot of diesel locomotives or steam locomotives are URGENTLY required, but they also have problems with this and they won’t be able to quickly solve it right now .... Let's see what happens next
    1. antivirus
      antivirus April 25 2022 16: 34
      +6
      Pull oxen for 1 wagon.
      It's easier to blow up bridges along the zbruch.
      And get away with a whisper
      1. vlad106
        vlad106 April 26 2022 20: 08
        +1
        Quote: antivirus
        Pull oxen for 1 wagon.
        It's easier to blow up bridges along the zbruch.
        And get away with a whisper


        However, can it still destroy the sources of supplies?
        Well, or at least demolish bridges, nodes, arteries along the southwestern border, Schaub all this rubbish did not penetrate from there ..
    2. Svarog
      Svarog April 25 2022 16: 39
      0
      Quote: svp67
      The problem with the violation of railway transportation is already being solved, but in a different way. Today, FIVE substations used for power supply of railways in the center and east of Ukraine have been destroyed.

      An elegant solution..
      1. bayard
        bayard April 26 2022 06: 03
        +7
        Quote: Svarog
        An elegant solution..

        Graceful. but short term. Pick up the standing train with a diesel locomotive and drag it where you need it. And at each station there are shunting diesel locomotives, at worst, they can drag the echelon in parts.
        Bridges must be destroyed. And right now, when mass deliveries of heavy equipment are just beginning.
        And it would be nice to start with bridges in western Ukraine. But the Dnieper ones too - to break the right and left banks of the Dnieper and you can deal with these groups separately.
    3. Evgeny Fedorov
      April 25 2022 16: 49
      +18
      In addition to railway transportation, there is also road transport. The Germans are handing over tank carriers for heavy equipment, and the rest of the trifles can generally be transported in light vans. Given the extensive road network of Ukraine, it will be difficult to track movements. Destruction of railway tracks and substations is a half-hearted solution. Let the destruction of bridges and dams across the Dnieper be long and expensive, but only this will seriously complicate the supply of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the national battalions.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine April 25 2022 17: 15
        +5
        Quote: Evgeny Fedorov
        In addition to railway transportation, there is also road transport.
        The ports of Tulcea and Giurgiulesti are much more promising and more productive. Any tanker river-mountain transports about 4000 tons of fuel and lubricants.
        1. Andrey Moskvin
          Andrey Moskvin April 25 2022 17: 33
          +8
          tihonmarine
          "tanker river - grief"
          Freudian slip?
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine April 25 2022 18: 42
            +9
            Quote: Andrey Moskvin
            "tanker river - grief"
            Freudian slip?

            Yes, sailors do not, such ships are called "zhabodavy" or "river-mountain" (and not a river and not a sea). Freud is sleeping.
      2. Liam
        Liam April 25 2022 17: 19
        -1
        Quote: Evgeny Fedorov
        tracks and substations - this is a half-hearted solution. Let the destruction of bridges and dams across the Dnieper be long and expensive, but only this

        Comrade strategist ... leaving aside the fantasy about the real availability of such funds for the Russian Federation for such an operation ... outline in general terms how the breakthrough of the Dnieper dams will affect such infrastructures in Russian hands in the lower reaches of the Dnieper as the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant, Kakhovka dam, Antonovsky bridge, Kherson, etc. And what will happen to the Russian troops themselves and their supplies, especially on the right bank if this mass of water pours on them.
        This is not counting such trifles as the murder of tens if not hundreds of thousands of residents of villages and cities located on the banks of the Dnieper and what consequences await the instigator of a disaster of this magnitude
      3. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U April 25 2022 17: 33
        +1
        Quote: Evgeny Fedorov
        There is also road transport.

        The transportation of heavy equipment by road also reduces mobility and, importantly, will not allow civilian transportation to hide behind.
        Firstly, because it is much cheaper, and secondly, the warhead of heavy KABs is much more impressive.
        Why do half-ton warheads of missiles not suit you? Especially without the risk of losing aircraft.
        1. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa April 25 2022 21: 54
          +1
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          Why do half-ton warheads of missiles not suit you?

          Expensive. And they can be used where there is strong air defense. KABs are cheaper and air defense in the area of ​​​​the task will be preliminarily cleared by the X-58P.
          1. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U April 26 2022 04: 59
            -2
            Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
            Expensive. And they can be used where strong air defense

            Quote: Vladimir_2U
            Especially without the risk of losing aircraft.
      4. svp67
        svp67 April 26 2022 04: 57
        +2
        Quote: Evgeny Fedorov
        In addition to railway transportation, there is also road transport. The Germans are handing over tank carriers for heavy equipment, and the rest of the trifles can generally be transported in light vans.

        Yes, but it’s somehow forgotten that cars need fuel, with which they have problems, and if so, then obviously any truck on the roads of Ukraine is already working on the APU, which means a legitimate target
        Quote: Evgeny Fedorov
        Destruction of railway tracks and substations is a half-hearted solution. Let the destruction of bridges and dams across the Dnieper be long and expensive, but only this will seriously complicate the supply of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the national battalions.

        A pontoon crossing can be built across any river, and they have a lot of pontoons, even Soviet ones. So, it's the same here, not everything is so simple
        1. musketon64
          musketon64 April 26 2022 08: 01
          +1
          Quote: svp67
          .... any truck on the roads of Ukraine is already working for the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which means a legitimate target

          Only this must first be announced through official channels. How the Americans do it. All areas adjacent to the line of contact for a couple of tens of kilometers to declare a red zone for all heavy trucks.
      5. max702
        max702 April 26 2022 11: 10
        0
        Then it’s easier for tactical nuclear weapons ... And it was with him that it was necessary to start NWO ..
      6. yehat2
        yehat2 April 26 2022 16: 31
        0
        well, the tank carrier should be noticed if intelligence is established normally, and not just proclaimed. And everything that looks more like ordinary transport is difficult to track.
        However, another question worries me - how was the operation planned, if the front line has practically become static and we are talking about the exhaustion of the enemy ???
        What is the point of such a war? Very reminiscent of tyagomotina in Chechnya.
        In addition, I don’t understand another thing - the Russian Federation has an overwhelming advantage in aviation, high-precision weapons, in artillery, as armored vehicles, the terrain in few places gives great opportunities to defend, the attack was sudden, a multiple superiority was concentrated in the right directions without much difficulty, the troops are mobile, they even landed troops, but how did it happen that they stopped? It seems that the operation was prepared by a lieutenant without experience. I'm not really a fan of the idea of ​​​​carrying out such an operation, but if it goes THIS way, why did they start it at all? Here they propose to discuss the nuances of tactics, and there are huge tactical holes in the operation.
    4. VicktorVR
      VicktorVR April 25 2022 17: 11
      +2
      And they eat diesel fuel, as if not in themselves ...
    5. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine April 25 2022 17: 12
      +3
      Quote: svp67
      Today, FIVE substations used for power supply of railways in the center and east of Ukraine have been destroyed.

      For the first time, this will slow down transportation, and it is necessary to continue to destroy substations (for a long time), but in a couple of weeks Poland, the Baltic states, Romania, and Bulgaria will "throw" diesel locomotives. Here to destroy kerosene for them will be a top priority. But if they get through Tulcea, Giurgiulesti, then again it turns out to crush water in a mortar.
      1. Sergey Kuzmin
        Sergey Kuzmin April 25 2022 17: 30
        +8
        "An endless stream of NATO weapons capable of complicating the actions of the Russian army must be cut off at the Dnieper line." it would be possible to cut off near the borders of Ukraine with the NATO states - the same Poland. The silence around the borders with Romania is disturbing. From there, after all, it is very easy to pump up weapons to the Ukronazis who have settled in Odessa and Nikolaev.
        1. stankow
          stankow April 25 2022 22: 16
          0
          Ruminia does not supply weapons to Ukraine. And whether it transports is unclear.
        2. yehat2
          yehat2 April 26 2022 16: 31
          0
          Romanians are far from enthusiastic about the idea of ​​helping Ukraine.
      2. alex967
        alex967 April 25 2022 17: 50
        +9
        The Balts can, but only a few, because they themselves are not dense. And the rest will not help, because their stake width is narrower than ours.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine April 25 2022 18: 27
          +1
          Quote: alex967
          The Balts can, but only a few, because they themselves are not dense. And the rest will not help, because their stake width is narrower than ours.

          And how to deliver weapons to Ukraine from the Baltic states.
          1. svp67
            svp67 April 26 2022 04: 58
            0
            Quote: tihonmarine
            And how to deliver weapons to Ukraine from the Baltic states.

            How how????? Metro will be dug
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine April 26 2022 08: 57
              0
              Quote: svp67
              How how????? Metro will be dug

              Belarusians will close the hole.
        2. hydrox
          hydrox April 25 2022 19: 13
          0
          They have interchangeable wheeled bogies, and the Balts will help with bogies to fit our gauge: they will also adjust diesel locomotives to our width. Here the Belarusian attack aircraft will indulge!
          And then: and who forbade attacking trains with weapons against us on the Moldovan railways? There is our gauge, you can shoot at diesel locomotives with pleasure from the Su-25.
          1. yehat2
            yehat2 April 26 2022 16: 33
            +1
            Isn't this too far from the announced goals of the operation? Jacking for Moldovan trains is overkill
      3. ananias mudishev
        ananias mudishev April 25 2022 22: 33
        +1
        According to Ukrzaliznytsia, there are 300 diesel locomotives in Ukraine
    6. Russian
      Russian April 25 2022 17: 12
      +3
      I also saw a review from Yuri. But in the same place, he said that such strikes should be systematic in order to achieve the desired effect. I understand that restoring these power plants is not such a big deal.
      Let's see, let's see
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine April 25 2022 18: 30
        +4
        Quote: р_у_с_с_к_и_й
        such strikes must be systematic to achieve the desired effect. I understand that restoring these power plants is not such a big deal.

        If you destroy the engine room, then the power plant in wartime is simply not possible to restore
        1. hydrox
          hydrox April 25 2022 19: 23
          +3
          If the hydroelectric power station is destroyed, then the restoration of networks becomes generally impossible, there will be no copper for the windings of generators, and few people in the world produce generators for hydroelectric power stations, and whether Russia will do this is unknown ...
          1. yehat2
            yehat2 April 26 2022 16: 35
            0
            Quote: hydrox
            If the hydroelectric power station is destroyed

            are you a provocateur? the destruction of the hydroelectric power station is a humanitarian catastrophe for the whole region, while the destruction does not directly affect the achievement of the goals of the operation.
            maybe even offer to shoot down the moon so that it doesn’t help the Ukrainians at night?
      2. hydrox
        hydrox April 25 2022 19: 17
        +3
        At a well-attacked substation, oil flows out of the transformers and the transformers start to burn, and the tigers and psheks do not produce such equipment and there will be nothing to replace
    7. Baldoha
      Baldoha April 25 2022 18: 48
      +3
      Diesel locomotive eats diesel fuel, Abrams never dreamed of. Where will they get such a breakthrough of fuel if refineries and fuel storage facilities are systematically destroyed? Will transformer oil be filled in?
      1. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 April 25 2022 19: 53
        +4
        Quote: Baldoha
        Where will they get such a breakthrough of fuel if refineries and fuel storage facilities are systematically destroyed?

        from Moldova goes a couple of trains a day, which neutralizes the effect of the defeat of oil depots
        1. EvilLion
          EvilLion April 26 2022 10: 13
          +1
          And from the compositions to pour where? Buckets from wagons in the field to scoop into tankers?
          1. SovAr238A
            SovAr238A April 26 2022 13: 07
            +2
            Quote: EvilLion
            And from the compositions to pour where? Buckets from wagons in the field to scoop into tankers?


            Almost every second station has transshipment terminals and small tank farms.
            It was just the way it was in the Soviet Union.
            They have everything the same.
            1. hydrox
              hydrox April 27 2022 17: 22
              0
              The train attacked by the NURS at such a terminal will burn down along with the oil depot and will burn for at least a week - all the land at such terminals is saturated with oil products to a depth of meters.
              1. SovAr238A
                SovAr238A April 27 2022 20: 46
                +1
                Quote: hydrox
                The train attacked by the NURS at such a terminal will burn down along with the oil depot and will burn for at least a week - all the land at such terminals is saturated with oil products to a depth of meters.


                And many of these attacked?
                NURSs, shmurs.
                Not a special operation, but a ballet, damn it.
                With 150 thousand to go to war against 300 thousand as it is now in Ukraine?
                They gathered almost 250 thousand people under the banner, of which the majority are reservists who have passed through the Donbass. Over the past 8 years, they drove a lot of people through the front.
                And now they are being driven by several hundred NATO artillery, not counting the former Soviet ...
                There are almost 350 guns there.
                You would count how many it is in our divisions.

                And the modern PZ-2000, or Caesars - we have no equal to them. MSTA-S is noticeably inferior, and Coalitions cannot be seen in the army, only at parades.
                And so in everything.

                There is an advantage in the air, but the air defense is not suppressed and the infrastructure is not knocked out.
                Ballet, damn
          2. hydrox
            hydrox April 27 2022 17: 18
            0
            Scoop from burning compounds? Who can be forced to do this!?
        2. hydrox
          hydrox April 27 2022 17: 14
          0
          Can you tell me where in Moldova there is a refinery that produces diesel fuel?
      2. stankow
        stankow April 25 2022 22: 21
        0
        Diesel sunflower eats successfully. On passenger cars, for example. On diesel locomotives like two-stroke diesel engines, I don’t know them.
        1. your1970
          your1970 April 26 2022 08: 38
          0
          Quote: stankow
          Diesel sunflower eats successfully. On passenger cars, for example. On diesel locomotives like two-stroke diesel engines, I don’t know them.

          That's when cars will pull a couple of thousand tons - then diesel locomotives will be able to run on sunflower, yeah ....
      3. yehat2
        yehat2 April 26 2022 16: 37
        0
        Quote: Baldoha
        Where will they get such a breakthrough of fuel

        the answer is obvious - they will simply take it away from civilians. Already on the movement of diesel locomotives you can scrape together
    8. kapitan92
      kapitan92 April 25 2022 20: 07
      0
      Quote: svp67
      The problem with the violation of railway transportation is already being solved, but in a different way. Today, FIVE substations used for power supply of railways in the center and east of Ukraine have been destroyed.

      Bravo! But why did it happen today and not yesterday? Our General Staff realized only today that reserves, equipment, fuel and ammunition are going to the front along the suburban railway.

      Quote: svp67
      Now, for the transportation of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the transportation of UkrZaliznytsya in general, a lot of diesel locomotives or steam locomotives are URGENTLY required, but they also have problems with this and it will not be possible to solve it quickly now.

      Rolling stock: 57,7 thousand freight cars, 3883 passenger cars, 63 branded passenger trains, 720 main diesel locomotives, 1256 shunting diesel locomotives, 1720 mainline electric locomotives, 1693 sections of electric trains and diesel trains.
      The average number of employees of the main activity of the railways of Ukraine is 385 thousand people

      As you can see, they have diesel locomotives, and in a short time they will switch to diesel traction.
      As a temporary measure, it will work, but it will not solve the problem at the root. hi
      1. Diverter
        Diverter April 25 2022 22: 02
        0
        some of the locomotives have long been located on the territory of the LDNR, some are on the territories we have taken under control. Still what that part could suffer at a DB.
        Based on this, your numbers are incorrect.
        1. kapitan92
          kapitan92 April 25 2022 22: 17
          -1
          Quote: Saboteur
          Based on this, your numbers are incorrect.

          See the correct ones!
          Quote: Saboteur
          some of the locomotives have long been located on the territory of the LDNR, some are located on the territories we have taken under control

          How many???
          I already heard about it. They drink too much, they become drug addicts, there is nothing to shoot with, sheer desertion from the line of demarcation in the DPR.
          The facts are different: They are well trained, they know how to shoot and have something to eat, layered defense, motivated, etc.
          Preparations for the war went on for 8 years, and I must admit they prepared well for it. Do you think that the General Staff of the outskirts did not calculate such options? Underestimation of the enemy, tank throws into Kharkov, the capture of unnecessary Gostomel, then the withdrawal from positions occupied by blood, have already led to losses on our part.
          Stop considering Khokhlomaniacs complete idiots!
          1. Diverter
            Diverter April 27 2022 15: 57
            -1
            1. Before being called up for military service, I graduated from a railway school in Melitopol with a degree in driver's assistant. I even got to work. Melitopol - Dnepropetrovsk (Sinelnikovo). So, next to the metro station Melitopol, there is a junction station Fedorovka, which "served" two shoulders: the station Fedorovka - Pyatikhatki - Mariupol - Taganrog and Second Fedorovka - Kherson (I don’t know which station.
            Diesel locomotives assigned to the station Melitopol, for the most part, were now in the depot. Due to the fact that Donetsk coal and so on has not been shipped to Odessa and Crimea for a long time.
            Therefore, I deeply doubt that the Ukrainians could raise the locomotive brigades on alarm and take out the entire rolling stock somewhere. By the way, and the technical condition was such that it required both minor and major repairs. After 1991 no new diesel locomotives were delivered. At least when I arrived, I didn't see any. Now, if they were constantly used and serviced accordingly, then yes, they would probably be on the go. Also, part of the locomotives remained in the LDNR after 2014, since there is an extremely extensive railway network there.
            To give correct figures, you need to have up-to-date input data for each locomotive.
            I think even a green drug addict does not have such data

            2. Ukrainians really prepared very well for a future war. therefore, it is difficult and troublesome to knock them out of the territories of the LDNR. They dug in EXACTLY THERE notably.
            Not a single person who graduated from a high school ever plans ANY operation with the thought in his head that I will throw hats.
            This special operation revealed more shortcomings in the RF Armed Forces.
            I am sure that conclusions will be drawn as after 080808 and these problems will be solved.

            3. your words about Gostomel show the absolutely zero level of your military education, as well as the level of development of logic. From this I conclude that you are a simple sofa iksperd that did not even serve as an emergency. I would recommend that you be more silent and read adults if you are interested in military topics. But it's better to go to the army. Of course, if you are not an ordinary button from all sorts of rains, they will pile on and be free, i.e. traitors to their country.

            You don't need to answer.
            1. kapitan92
              kapitan92 April 27 2022 20: 28
              0
              Quote: Saboteur
              your words about Gostomel show the absolutely zero level of your military education, as well as the level of development of logic. From this I conclude that you are a simple sofa iksperd who did not even serve as a deadline. I would recommend that you be more silent and read adults if you are interested in military topics. But it's better to go to the army. Of course, if you are not an ordinary button from all sorts of rains, they will pile on and be free, i.e. traitors to their country.

              It is very funny to read something like this from such "saboteurs". When I served in the USSR Armed Forces, in officer positions in the Baku brigade, you were not yet in the project.
              I've been on this forum for 7 years, much to my regret, many interesting people have already left. These are those with whom it was interesting to argue and discuss any topic. The battles on the forum were serious
              Alas. Something similar to you comes to replace, with cheap aplomb., stupidity, ignorance of the subject.
              Quote: Saboteur
              I would recommend that you be more silent and read adults if you are interested in military topics.

              You are probably the adult! laughing
              It's sad all this "boy"!!
              Yes, I will finish with your phrase.
              Quote: Saboteur
              You don't need to answer.
              1. Diverter
                Diverter April 28 2022 13: 59
                -2
                When I served in the USSR Armed Forces, in officer positions

                captain is not an officer position))))
                1. kapitan92
                  kapitan92 April 28 2022 20: 17
                  0
                  Quote: Saboteur
                  captain is not an officer position))))

                  brat!
      2. EvilLion
        EvilLion April 26 2022 10: 11
        0
        And before there was no special need.
      3. DED PICHTO
        DED PICHTO April 26 2022 10: 25
        +1
        They also have steam locomotives in stock. A lot has been accumulated in the so-called locomotive cemeteries - all are mothballed and stand as new. I saw it myself near Zhmerenka.
        1. hydrox
          hydrox April 27 2022 17: 58
          0
          So the steam locomotives do not run on swamp traction, but all the coal remained in the LDNR!
      4. yehat2
        yehat2 April 26 2022 16: 40
        +1
        Quote: kapitan92
        but it doesn't really solve the problem.

        questions to starve should not have been included in the operation at all
        To begin with, it is still worth deciding what the Russian army is doing there?
        If you need to reset the transport, this is one thing, if you don’t need it, it’s another, and selectively hunting is just a utopia.
    9. Sedoy
      Sedoy April 26 2022 00: 02
      0
      diesel locomotives will pull
      from the west it is necessary to start destroying everything ...
      1. EvilLion
        EvilLion April 26 2022 10: 07
        0
        Of the 1900 locomotives, there are 300 diesel locomotives. Some of them, apparently, are no longer there.
        1. Sedoy
          Sedoy April 26 2022 12: 22
          +1
          nothing like this...
          according to the list of 700, workers 200 diesel locomotives ...
          google - traffic was restored in Lviv after 2 hours ...
          it is necessary not to catch fleas, but to solve the issue radically ...

          1. yehat2
            yehat2 April 26 2022 16: 43
            +1
            Quote: Sedoy
            nothing like this...
            according to the list of 700, workers 200 diesel locomotives ...

            300 diesel locomotives ... part retired

            well, your data does not contradict what was said in any way
            however, the analysis does not take into account the fact that the Ukrainian government cannot refuse social transportation, i.e. in reality, there are fewer diesel locomotives for military transportation.
            1. Sedoy
              Sedoy April 26 2022 20: 13
              0
              how else can...
              all these transportations are not social, but political ...
              when they need, they stop them...
              what happened to the refugees from the east...
              people are a tool for them and only ...
    10. Jager
      Jager April 26 2022 00: 35
      0
      5 substations is a drop in the ocean. A kind of "warning" rather than actual damage. Moreover, typical railway substations and power centers are reserved and / or have some operating stock of units. And even more so now, when UZ is working in emergency mode.
      1. EvilLion
        EvilLion April 26 2022 10: 10
        +2
        This was enough to stop. Further, apparently, they simply de-energized part of the trains, somewhere they may have driven a diesel locomotive, of which there are few. Restoring a substation is more difficult than rails. If at all possible in a reasonable amount of time.
        1. SovAr238A
          SovAr238A April 26 2022 13: 13
          +4
          Quote: EvilLion
          This was enough to stop. Further, apparently, they simply de-energized part of the trains, somewhere they may have driven a diesel locomotive, of which there are few. Restoring a substation is more difficult than rails. If at all possible in a reasonable amount of time.


          Traction substations - every 15 km...
          In order to really de-energize the lines, it is tedious to consistently knock out 10 stations in a row in each direction.
          This can be difficult to some extent.
          But if a diesel locomotive is attached to the train, then in some flat sections, when the train accelerates to 70 km per hour, it can only coast up to 30-40 kilometers of a de-energized section. During this time, the attached diesel locomotive begins to work.
          In the Russian Federation, there were plenty of places with long drawbars, where additional tractors were attached to the rear of the train on the go, and after passing a long climb, they were unhooked ..
      2. yehat2
        yehat2 April 26 2022 16: 46
        0
        Quote: Jager
        Moreover, typical railway substations and power centers are reserved

        Let me remind you that you are talking about Ukraine, about a state where theft and corruption go off scale, and the budget has had large deficits for 10 years. Do you seriously think that everything is in order with the reserves there?
        1. Jager
          Jager 4 May 2022 09: 43
          0
          Your passage is pure demagoguery. Any state supports the transport network, even though the oligarchs have stolen there three times, because it is necessary to carry both their own and other people's goods on something. Plus "UZ" is the fruit of the Soviet Ministry of Railways. And there were no problems with the reliability of the transport railway system. Ukraine is the industrial center of the USSR, it is not for nothing that almost all roads were electrified, since it is not economically feasible to use diesel traction on such a scale.
    11. Viktor Sergeev
      Viktor Sergeev April 26 2022 08: 56
      +1
      Already restored. All this is a waste of expensive rockets. Only the complete destruction of railway junctions with bombs of the FAB3000 type, so that nothing would be left at all. And the bridges should have been destroyed a month ago.
      1. DED PICHTO
        DED PICHTO April 26 2022 10: 21
        -2
        it means nothing was bombed. I, as always, simply reported
    12. Pavel_3
      Pavel_3 April 26 2022 16: 45
      -1
      They will decide easily, the tanks will be delivered together with diesel locomotives
  2. Borik
    Borik April 25 2022 16: 24
    +4
    Deadly beautiful toys for the disposal of both military facilities and manpower.
  3. Sergio_7
    Sergio_7 April 25 2022 16: 28
    +11
    In general, there should be no thoughts about bridges! If this is the path to Victory, then the bridges must be destroyed, as well as the railway infrastructure!
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine April 25 2022 18: 38
      +2
      Quote: Sergio_7
      If this is the path to Victory, then the bridges must be destroyed, as well as the railway infrastructure!

      First of all, what did both sides do during the Second World War.
      1. your1970
        your1970 April 26 2022 08: 42
        -1
        Quote: tihonmarine
        Quote: Sergio_7
        If this is the path to Victory, then the bridges must be destroyed, as well as the railway infrastructure!

        First of all, what did both sides do during the Second World War.

        If it were not Ukraine, but for example Poland or Romania, then they would definitely have been burned. We would not have to restore it and not from our budget ...
        And so ...
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine April 26 2022 09: 22
          0
          Quote: your1970
          If it were not Ukraine, but for example Poland or Romania, they would definitely burn it.

          I don't feel sorry for the last two, but that's why they feel sorry for Western Ukraine, that's what I don't understand.
          1. your1970
            your1970 April 26 2022 12: 21
            +1
            Quote: tihonmarine
            Quote: your1970
            If it were not Ukraine, but for example Poland or Romania, they would definitely burn it.

            I don't feel sorry for the last two, but that's why they feel sorry for Western Ukraine, that's what I don't understand.

            1) the more refugees flee to the West, the better. These are potential carriers of Banderaism, in contrast to those running towards us (grunting and dissatisfied - but not ready to go to war with weapons against the Russian Federation).
            2) deliveries from the warehouses of Western Ukraine - they cleaned them to the bottom. If they had struck earlier, there would have been a lot of things left there. And now all this APU was forced to be pulled to the front line - where it is much easier to destroy it (and in more budgetary ways than Dagger)
            3) The more we destroy, the more we restore after the war.
            4) destruction there - would lead to the accumulation of mercenaries and everything else in Poland. Catch them then who knows where ..
            and now the Armed Forces of Ukraine brought them to the front .. pickup ...

            There are many more reasons, but these are the main ones.
          2. hydrox
            hydrox April 27 2022 18: 14
            0
            Well, what about?
            After all, the family nest of Bandera: after all, the Nazis will kill anyone who raises his hand to the sacred!!!
    2. stankow
      stankow April 25 2022 22: 25
      -2
      New Russia will soon be there, we must protect the people's wealth!
    3. DED PICHTO
      DED PICHTO April 26 2022 10: 06
      -1
      You're right! The refugees who needed it were already in Poland and Germany. Who else would like to leave on rafts, they will swim across ... BOMB, BOMB!
    4. DED PICHTO
      DED PICHTO April 26 2022 10: 18
      -2
      Lenin: "Advice from an outsider" - A letter to the Bolshevik comrades participating in the regional congress of soviets of the northern region.

      Combine our three main forces: the fleet, workers and military units so that they are certainly occupied and at the cost of any losses are retained:
      a) phone
      b) telegraph
      c) train stations
      d) bridges in the first place.
    5. yehat2
      yehat2 April 26 2022 16: 50
      0
      Quote: Sergio_7
      In general, there should be no thoughts about bridges! If this is the path to victory

      Do you think that the Russian army is engaged in sports in Ukraine and is pursuing some kind of virtual victory? Maybe even establish medals "thunderstorm of bridges"? And why are we better than the Ukrainians if we don’t think about blows to destroy bridges when it’s profitable?
  4. couch
    couch April 25 2022 16: 30
    +2
    WE LOOK FORWARD TO WHEN THEY WILL FINALLY BEGIN TO USE THESE "PIGS"
  5. DenVB
    DenVB April 25 2022 16: 33
    -1
    But for this purpose, the VKS has a number of specific “air defense openers”.

    If yes, why not apply? I only heard about the X-31 and the notorious Khibiny, but this is not enough.
  6. flicker
    flicker April 25 2022 16: 35
    -1
    One of the stubborn Ukrainian chiefs said about the need to strike at the Crimean bridge. I hope he understands that he will be a retaliatory target.
    The retaliatory target should be some kind of London.
    1. ARIONkrsk
      ARIONkrsk April 25 2022 16: 46
      +6
      The retaliatory goal should be the bunker with the people's commissar.
    2. Rafflesia
      Rafflesia April 25 2022 18: 37
      -1
      Maybe the Pentagon is better?
      1. hydrox
        hydrox April 25 2022 19: 25
        0
        We can only dream of this!
      2. flicker
        flicker April 25 2022 23: 20
        -1
        Maybe better, only it's a nuclear war. And for London, the Yankees will not get involved in a nuclear war. So London.
  7. Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov April 25 2022 16: 37
    +15
    The life of our soldiers comes first! Why should I compare the life of our soldier with the life of the bridge, which is essentially the cause of our losses?
    1. Egoza
      Egoza April 25 2022 17: 07
      0
      Quote: Dmitry Potapov
      Why should I compare the life of our soldier with the life of the bridge, which is essentially the cause of our losses?

      Moreover, the bridges are old! Our tank column will go - they can break. Bridges must be destroyed. Russian troops will carry out a pontoon crossing. Kyiv was taken in the Second World War in this way, and now it will also be possible to do it.
      1. max702
        max702 April 26 2022 11: 16
        +1
        What for? Right-bank Ukraine can be taken from Belarus and from the south, we don’t really need bridges for the offensive ..
  8. smart fellow
    smart fellow April 25 2022 16: 37
    +6
    The author did not reveal the topic: why are CABs not used?
    1. Dimy4
      Dimy4 April 25 2022 17: 39
      +3
      We need political will. The military is again hindered by politicians.
    2. Wildcat
      Wildcat April 25 2022 18: 22
      +3
      Because
      The bomb captures the target at a distance of 5-7 kilometers with a visibility of 10 km. Bridges can be illuminated both from an external source and from the aircraft.
      . Compare with the range of air defense systems, and even MANPADS of Ukrainians.
  9. Andrey Moskvin
    Andrey Moskvin April 25 2022 16: 39
    +7
    Why do the problems of the civilian population of Ukraine concern our Defense Ministry more than their own?
    1. Cartalon
      Cartalon April 25 2022 16: 42
      +5
      Because it's not a war, but a special operation.
      1. Andrey Moskvin
        Andrey Moskvin April 25 2022 17: 39
        +4
        Horseradish radish is not sweeter.
        We delay the defeat of the enemy, like that pitiful dog owner who killed it by cutting off the tail piece by piece.
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    2. stankow
      stankow April 25 2022 22: 29
      +1
      Read Putin's article - "My One People"
  10. ARIONkrsk
    ARIONkrsk April 25 2022 16: 45
    +2
    If Ukraine attacks the bridge, it is necessary to attack and destroy Yelensky and the entire top of power, as well as send the entire General Staff to the next world. If our authorities said so, I think the stubborn comrades would bite their tongues.
    1. navi13
      navi13 April 26 2022 12: 39
      +1
      This must be done now, without waiting for the attack on the bridge. The most convenient time was when the Pole and the Balts arrived in Kyiv, they would have removed the mongrels in one fell swoop, creating internal problems, well, there, new appointments. nationwide mourning and in general, would think. But is the game worth the candle?
  11. Ablet
    Ablet April 25 2022 16: 51
    +6
    It has long been necessary to burn high-voltage lines from which Ukrainian railways are powered. Graphite ammunition costs a penny, the caliber is a thousand times more expensive, you can drop it, for example, from an outpost. In dill, railways are electrified almost everywhere (except in the west).
    1. Lykases1
      Lykases1 April 25 2022 17: 10
      +2
      I heard about similar ammunition from the USA. Do we have? Just never heard
    2. hydrox
      hydrox April 25 2022 19: 30
      -1
      For the successful application of graphite powder, it is necessary to have a voltage of 500 kV in the network.
      1. stankow
        stankow April 25 2022 22: 32
        +2
        20,000 V is sufficient to obtain surface breakdown.
        1. hydrox
          hydrox April 27 2022 18: 17
          0
          What is needed is not a breakdown, but stable combustion.
      2. SovAr238A
        SovAr238A April 26 2022 13: 15
        +1
        Quote: hydrox
        For the successful application of graphite powder, it is necessary to have a voltage of 500 kV in the network.


        There in the ammunition is not powder, but threads.
  12. Carlos Hall
    Carlos Hall April 25 2022 16: 56
    +7
    Many of us have noted the need for systematic and sustained attacks on Ukrainian communications infrastructure, roads, railways, etc.
    1. DED PICHTO
      DED PICHTO April 26 2022 10: 00
      +1
      Even non-military people understand this. The General Staff seems to be playing with electronic intelligence!
  13. Ros 56
    Ros 56 April 25 2022 16: 57
    +4
    After an attempt to hit the Banderva on the Crimean bridge, the buildings of the Verkhovna Rada, the SBU, the General Staff, the UkroMO and the office of the green frog should not remain, instead of them there should be deep pits.
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      1. Ros 56
        Ros 56 April 26 2022 07: 35
        -1
        Try it, do you know where they will hit?
    2. DED PICHTO
      DED PICHTO April 26 2022 09: 57
      +1
      Well, let the Rada building stand, but the building of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the reserve command posts had to be destroyed on February 24th. And then it turns out mouse fuss. FIRST, THE HEAD OF THE SNAKE IS CUT OFF, AND THEN THE SKIN IS REMOVED!
  14. Hindu
    Hindu April 25 2022 17: 01
    +4
    The listed arsenal is, of course, impressive. Only applicable to the situation, for some reason I recall the dialogue from the movie "Cards, money ...":
    - Willie, why do we need this cage?
    - For safety...
    Why the hell is it needed if you don't use it?!...

    Well, something like this....
  15. alekc75
    alekc75 April 25 2022 17: 04
    +1
    CAN bridges be destroyed at the junction with the coast from 2 sides?
  16. KCA
    KCA April 25 2022 17: 06
    +2
    The bridge of the dam and the dam are different hydraulic structures, the destruction of the bridge does not affect the dam itself, the main thing is to hit it right, or lay a land mine
  17. Nafanya from the sofa
    Nafanya from the sofa April 25 2022 17: 07
    +1
    And this, not to mention serious reputational losses comparable to the death of the cruiser Moskva.

    There is no need to compare an old, poorly repaired cruiser, which was not written off only because there is nothing to replace it with a strategically important bridge, without which the entire Russian region will be on the verge of survival. Therefore, we must hope that the National Guard and the border guards, unlike the Black Sea Fleet, will not "clap their ears", but will be able to really protect the bridge.
    ps The name "Moscow" for the military ship of the Black Sea Fleet is unfortunate.
    The leader of "Moskva" died along with the crew on June 27, 1941 during the attack of the Romanian Constanta. He died either from Romanian mines, or from an attack by a Soviet submarine. He died following, to put it mildly, an "ill-conceived" order of the Black Sea Fleet command.
    1. Transylvanian
      Transylvanian April 25 2022 21: 11
      0
      Dear expert. / that the National Guard and border guards, unlike the Black Sea Fleet, will not "flap their ears", but will be able to really protect the bridge. / Are you serious? How can they cover the bridge with air defense systems? Which they simply do not have.
      1. stankow
        stankow April 25 2022 22: 38
        +2
        The National Guard protects from sabotage, border guards - from a battering ram. And the Aerospace Forces to provide air defense and missile defense. There are responsible tasks for everyone.
  18. cmax
    cmax April 25 2022 17: 22
    +3
    And why don’t we use ...... Chapay thinks! And perhaps these are only exhibition copies made for the Indians. To buy, they will pay, then we will make them and ourselves. 300 billion money was given for nothing! Only state-owned, and how many more private, stolen. The whole country has been tearing itself up for many years, consider it as if oil and gas were given away for free for 10 years. The result is sad, how useful they would be now, it would be better if they bought machines and technologies with this money. Sadness.
    1. stankow
      stankow April 25 2022 22: 43
      +3
      300 billion was the share of Rothschild in the Central Bank of the Russian Federation. They gave it honestly, now, finally, Russia has its own, sovereign bank. One of the most important goals of the NWO!
      1. cmax
        cmax April 25 2022 23: 44
        -1
        Quote: stankow
        300 billion was the share of Rothschild in the Central Bank of the Russian Federation. They gave it honestly, now, finally, Russia has its own, sovereign bank. One of the most important goals of the NWO!

        Let me disagree with you. I do not know your age, but if you are still working, then this is your underpaid salary. If retired, an unpaid pension and a couple of years added to the required length of service for retirement. How simple it was - there were 300 billion and now they are gone. No one saw anything, and it's not "guilty" !!!
        1. your1970
          your1970 April 26 2022 08: 48
          -2
          Quote: cmax
          Quote: stankow
          300 billion was the share of Rothschild in the Central Bank of the Russian Federation. They gave it honestly, now, finally, Russia has its own, sovereign bank. One of the most important goals of the NWO!

          Let me disagree with you. I do not know your age, but if you are still working, then this is your underpaid salary. If retired, an unpaid pension and a couple of years added to the required length of service for retirement. How simple it was - there were 300 billion and now they are gone. No one saw anything, and it's not "guilty" !!!

          According to the Times magazine daily oil trade now brings the Russian Federation under all sorts of gray schemes (such as the Baltic mixture) - more than $1 billion.
          В day.
          1. SovAr238A
            SovAr238A April 26 2022 13: 18
            +1
            Quote: your1970

            According to the Times magazine daily oil trade now brings the Russian Federation under all sorts of gray schemes (such as the Baltic mixture) - more than $1 billion.
            В day.


            And now calculate the costs of oil production, its transportation under the conditions of sanctions and discounts that have already been spent - and you will get a real profit of at best 5% of the amount you announced.
            1. your1970
              your1970 April 26 2022 14: 21
              -2
              Quote: SovAr238A
              5% of the amount you announced.

              I am the Times magazine??!! These are not questions for me.
              1. SovAr238A
                SovAr238A April 26 2022 14: 55
                0
                Quote: your1970
                Quote: SovAr238A
                5% of the amount you announced.

                I am the Times magazine??!! These are not questions for me.


                I'm talking about something else.
                About how all of us (both them and us) with these figures the brain is hovering from all sides
                1. your1970
                  your1970 April 26 2022 16: 47
                  -1
                  Quote: SovAr238A
                  Quote: your1970
                  Quote: SovAr238A
                  5% of the amount you announced.

                  I am the Times magazine??!! These are not questions for me.


                  I'm talking about something else.
                  About how all of us (both them and us) with these figures the brain is hovering from all sides

                  And I’m talking about something else, about the fact that the countries that have imposed sanctions are quietly buying sanctioned oil ..
                  How long can they eat cactus? Here's the question...
  19. svoit
    svoit April 25 2022 17: 26
    +5
    Quote: Evgeny Fedorov
    but only this will seriously complicate the supply of the Armed Forces

    This will practically not complicate in central and western Ukraine, bridges need to be destroyed much to the west, there are smaller bridges
  20. Sibguest
    Sibguest April 25 2022 18: 05
    +9
    Does the letter "E" in the name of some bombs mean "environmentally friendly"?
    If - so, then maybe one, two, three, four ... fit the "green" in Germany - they love everything eco-friendly.
  21. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 April 25 2022 19: 21
    +4
    a good weapon ... perhaps it’s not even necessary to destroy the bridges themselves ... but the bridgehead ... railway junction stations with all the accumulation of wagons ... roads in the western part ... do it regularly and unpredictably so that they are simply afraid to roll equipment ... any equipment ... they were afraid to restore it because it would suddenly arrive)) ... in general, it's time to break the infrastructure ... and especially in the west, because it’s not good
  22. Yuri Vishnevetsky-Koribut
    Yuri Vishnevetsky-Koribut April 25 2022 19: 30
    +2
    When the bulk of refugees from Ukraine move to Europe, the bridges can be destroyed.
    1. Third district
      Third district April 26 2022 08: 55
      +2
      Quote: Yuri Vishnevetsky-Koribut
      When the bulk of refugees from Ukraine move to Europe, the bridges can be destroyed.

      Whoever needed it has already left. Some have already begun to return back to Kyiv. It's not about refugees, but about the political will of our government.
  23. avia12005
    avia12005 April 25 2022 19: 59
    +2
    Well, give the command to apply...
  24. DED PICHTO
    DED PICHTO April 26 2022 09: 47
    0
    On the border of Ukraine, railway and land border crossings can be counted on the fingers and they are all known. Bomb the entrances to them periodically. Refugees, who wanted to, have already moved out to neighboring countries. Those who wish to remain will come to the border post on foot. Bridges in the central part of the square do not need to be bombed yet, but the entrances to them can also be periodically plowed. It’s also not a problem to smash 5-6 large substations to ashes - there is no electricity, no railway transportation, by 80 percent. Put things in order in Ukrainian ports. , I don’t understand where their planes take off from! From the potato fields?
  25. EvilLion
    EvilLion April 26 2022 10: 06
    -1
    This problem was solved already in the 60-70s.
  26. iouris
    iouris April 26 2022 12: 19
    0
    The bomber can be shot down. It would be nice if these bombs themselves would fly.
    1. SovAr238A
      SovAr238A April 26 2022 13: 30
      +3
      Quote: iouris
      The bomber can be shot down. It would be nice if these bombs themselves would fly.


      And they fly.
      Some even fly 100 km.
      And they even get into not just the right houses, but also the right moving cars.
      There is such a thing JSOW and JDAM

      JSOW.
      One ordinary free-falling bamba Mk-82 weighing 227 kg is taken.
      A universal set of "wings" and "brains" is hung on it.
      Usually in the "brains" there is just a GPS, but there are also systems with two-way communication and correction.
      And when dropped from a high altitude on a stationary target - the maximum range can reach 70 miles (110) km.
      Then we went further, adding a small, low-power accelerator to the set of wings and brains. What gave an increase in the range of the bomb throw to 300 miles (almost 500 km).
      Moreover, not only fighters and bombers, but also AWACS, RTR, naval patrol aircraft can control the two-way communication system, redirecting it in flight to another target, or something else.
      So, at an inexpensive price, a long-range precision weapon is made from an ordinary old free-falling bamba.

      with the JDAM kit - a little easier.
      But in the end it's not worse.
  27. RED_ICE
    RED_ICE April 26 2022 15: 32
    0
    The British government considers it acceptable for Ukraine to strike "legitimate military targets" on the territory of the Russian Federation using Western weapons, just as it is acceptable for Moscow to strike supply lines in western Ukraine. This was stated on Tuesday in an interview with the BBC radio station by the Deputy Minister of Defense of Great Britain, James Hippie.
    https://ta.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/14476031?utm_source=yxnews&utm_medium=desktop

    Therefore, the blondon is going to put long-range weapons
  28. Pavel_3
    Pavel_3 April 26 2022 16: 49
    0
    For a long time, all the bridges would have been gouged, but someone doesn’t give it. The Kremenchug refinery was also protected to the last (try to guess whose oil it worked on)
  29. Wbond
    Wbond April 27 2022 20: 19
    0
    ... it's time to actually test this potential ...
  30. Looking for
    Looking for April 30 2022 20: 28
    0
    Quote: yehat2
    Well, the tanker should have noticed

    Have you heard of UAVs?
  31. Looking for
    Looking for April 30 2022 20: 39
    -2
    Quote: SovAr238A
    And many of these attacked?
    NURSs, shmurs.
    Not a special operation, but a ballet, damn it.
    With 150 thousand to go to war against 300 thousand as it is now in Ukraine?
    They gathered almost 250 thousand people under the banner, of which the majority are reservists who have passed through the Donbass. Over the past 8 years, they drove a lot of people through the front.
    And now they are being driven by several hundred NATO artillery, not counting the former Soviet ...
    There are almost 350 guns there.
    You would count how many it is in our divisions.

    And the modern PZ-2000, or Caesars - we have no equal to them. MSTA-S is noticeably inferior, and Coalitions cannot be seen in the army, only at parades.
    And so in everything.

    There is an advantage in the air, but the air defense is not suppressed and the infrastructure is not knocked out.
    Ballet, damn

    don't panic. liberalist.
  32. Kancelenbogen
    Kancelenbogen 4 June 2022 11: 07
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    it is not bridges that need to be demolished, but points for changing wheel sets at railway customs ... and who sits in the general staffs, as if the academies did not finish ...
  33. acetophenone
    acetophenone 21 June 2022 01: 00
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    I don’t understand, and I don’t want to understand the logic: Donetsk people are being killed, but disturbing the West with the bombing of infrastructure is no way! As a result, the trust of the population in the west of the outskirts will not be gained, and in the east it will be lost. Or do you think there will be rassusolivat? There was no Russia - they shot once a week, the Russians came - shelling every day. And Konashenko and this woman (whatever her head speaking from a foolish box ...) this whole demagoguery - down the drain. Where is she, by and large, and the place.