Ukraine wants reconnaissance and strike UAVs MQ-9 Reaper

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UAV of the first modification MQ-9A with AGM-114 missiles

In recent weeks, Ukraine has lost dozens of reconnaissance and strike drones and is now trying to restore this fleet. According to the latest news, new plans in this area provide for growth not only in quantity, but also in quality. Instead or as an addition to Turkish UAVs, it is planned to purchase American ones. However, the possibility of obtaining and effectively using such a technique remains questionable.

preliminary negotiations


On April 12, The Washington Post reported that the Ukrainian authorities are not only continuing negotiations on the supply of weapons with the US leadership, but also start consultations with specific manufacturers. In particular, last week the Ukrainian embassy in Washington held a meeting with representatives of General Atomics.



As a result of this event, the company announced that the Ukrainian side wants to receive heavy-class reconnaissance and strike UAVs. Now General Atomics is studying the possibility of such deliveries, incl. practical and legal aspects. So, the company is basically ready to supply unmanned vehicles, but its export requires permission from regulatory authorities.

General Atomics reportedly already has some dronesready for almost immediate transfer to a foreign customer. Upon receipt of government permission, they will be in Ukraine within a few days. The development of such equipment will not take much time, and its appearance will give the Ukrainian army new opportunities.


AIM-9X air-to-air missile drone

Soon the Forbes edition made some clarifications. It recalls that the main products of General Atomics in the field of UAVs are the MQ-1 Predator and MQ-9 Reaper products with different characteristics and capabilities. The Ukrainian side wants to get heavier Reapers. Other details of a possible Ukrainian-American deal were not disclosed.

Unmanned "Reaper"


The future MQ-9 Reaper was developed by General Atomics in the late nineties. The project was based on the developments and experience of the previous MQ-1 project, in connection with which the Reaper for some time wore the working designation Predator-B. The first flight of an experimental UAV took place in February 2001, after which the development of the project and the refinement of the design continued for several years.

In the middle of the 9s, the MQ-2007 entered service with the Air Force, and in XNUMX it was officially put into service. After that, full-scale serial production began in the interests of the Air Force, NASA and other US structures. In addition, a dozen foreign countries later acquired such equipment. The following export contracts are being negotiated right now.

Reaper UAVs began to be used in local conflicts immediately after their appearance in the army. Their main task is to conduct reconnaissance, identify and defeat dangerous objects. Drones are able to make long flights and operate at a great distance from bases.


Drone with guided bombs GBU-38

Technical features


The MQ-9 Reaper is a normal aerodynamic aircraft with an elongated small section fuselage, high aspect ratio straight wing and V-tail. The wingspan reaches 20 m, the length is 11 m. The empty UAV weighs 2,22 tons, the maximum take-off weight is 4,76 tons.

The UAV is equipped with a 331 hp Honeywell TPE10-900 turboprop engine. with push screw. With the help of an automatic digital control system, optimal engine operating modes are maintained, which allows you to get maximum efficiency. The maximum speed of the "Reaper" reaches 480 km / h, cruising - 310 km / h. It is capable of climbing to a height of more than 15 km, but the main modes of operation include flying at an altitude of 7-8 km. Depending on the load, UAVs of the first versions could fly up to 12-14 hours, later the flight duration reached 35-37 hours. Range - up to 1900 km.

The MQ-9 has an advanced control system with the ability to fly independently according to a given program or according to operator commands. Data exchange with the operator is carried out via secure satellite radio communications. Thanks to this, the control post with two workplaces can be located almost anywhere, not only at the UAV-based airfield.

For reconnaissance and the use of weapons, Reaper carries an AN / DAS-1 MTS-B optoelectronic station with a day and night channel, as well as a laser rangefinder-target designator. Unlike smaller UAVs, it is also equipped with its own AN / APY-8 Lynx II radar with mapping functions. Built-in equipment can be supplemented with EW hanging containers.


UAV with head fairing removed. The satellite antenna is clearly visible

A combat load weighing up to 1400 kg is placed on seven external suspension points under the wing and fuselage. The maximum weight of one ammunition is 680 kg. The Reaper's primary weapons are AGM-114 Hellfire missiles. It is also possible to use guided bombs of a suitable caliber and some air-to-air missiles. At the same time, the MQ-9 is considered as a means for delivering strikes on the ground, and anti-aircraft capabilities are introduced only for self-defense.

Practical potential


For a decade and a half of the UAV service, the MQ-9 Reaper managed to show all its capabilities and advantages. Its strengths include high flight performance, which allows you to perform a long flight and solve problems at a great distance from the home airfield. In addition, the satellite communications system greatly simplifies deployment and preparation for combat work.

The MQ-9 also features advanced reconnaissance and search equipment. It can carry OES and radar at the same time, which simplifies the search for ground objects at any time of the day and in any weather conditions that do not interfere with flights. The Reaper can strike on its own, and a wide range of weapons are offered for greater effectiveness. In addition, data on the found target on existing control loops can be transferred to any other fire weapon.

It is obvious that such benefits and advertising attracted the attention of the Ukrainian leadership. Now it also wants to get Reapers and is even negotiating about it. However, the acquisition, development and operation of American UAVs will be associated with a number of difficulties of various kinds.


Control point

First of all, there are financial issues. General Atomics is interested in a new order, but intends to make money and therefore will not give away equipment for free. At the same time, the MQ-9s are notable for their considerable price - in recent orders, one drone cost more than $ 30 million, not counting the control center and other means of the complex.

Whether Ukraine will find money for at least one UAV is unknown. However, she can hope for US assistance. Heavy drones, in theory, could fall into the next military-technical assistance plan, but the timing of this is in question. Accordingly, it is not clear when and how many UAVs will go to Ukraine. These issues can be resolved within a few days or weeks, although Kiev should not hope for a large amount of equipment.

As is the case with other types of equipment, calculations must be prepared for the MQ-9. A full operator training course takes about a year; preparation of the technical staff requires less time. General Atomics notes that Ukrainian operators will not have to start training from scratch, but this is unlikely to radically reduce its time. Whether the current Ukrainian regime has such a reserve of time is a big question.

During the training of Ukrainian operators, the equipment could be operated by American specialists. However, such a step could have negative political and military consequences, and it is unlikely that Washington will decide on it.


Modernized UAV MQ-9B

If Ukraine can solve all organizational problems, then, together with American UAVs, it will receive certain new opportunities. At the same time, the full realization of the Reapers' potential is not guaranteed. The first limitation will be a small number of such equipment. The insufficient level of training of operators, the lack of experience in operating such UAVs and the impossibility of its rapid accumulation should also affect.

The combat effectiveness of the MQ-9 in the conditions of the current Special Operation also raises doubts. Such UAVs showed themselves well when working in areas without radar cover, air defense and electronic warfare. At the same time, the appearance of even single anti-aircraft missile systems negatively affected the operation of the Reapers, and some UAVs were lost from fire from the ground.

What can single drones do in the presence of a developed layered military and object air defense, as well as an active fighter aviation is a big question. Apparently, any attempts to use them will be severely suppressed by the Russian army.

Expensive, difficult and no guarantee


In recent years, the Ukrainian army has gained some experience in the operation and use of reconnaissance and strike UAVs. However, in just a few weeks, the existing Turkish aircraft were knocked out, and now Kyiv is looking for a replacement. A heavy American drone is being considered as a more effective alternative for products from Turkey.

Apparently, a hypothetical contract for the supply of MQ-9 Reaper products from the United States to Ukraine is still at the stage of first negotiations. Whether it will be possible to complete them with the desired result is unknown. However, it is obvious that even with the signing of the contract, the Ukrainian army will face new difficulties and problems of various kinds. And the delivery of American UAVs in the end may not meet expectations. Of course, if she manages to complete the demilitarization of Ukraine.
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  1. +1
    April 20 2022 04: 31
    Short translation of the article, Ukraine wants litaki and asks the United States. the Americans seem to be happy to push ..... to Russia and letaki are expensive and there are no operators in the country. Well, as always, the UAV is certainly good, but naturally useless.
    1. +3
      April 20 2022 04: 38
      More like panic. Art first. There are no stocks of shells 155. There is nothing. Are the losses so great or are we just grabbing everything we have? So it's much worse. Reapers? Well, how many of them after that in the Russian Federation will be studied in the form of wreckage? What a sur. BTR 113 is generally a circus. There are no repair bases even for mastered technology, but what will happen to this one? There is zero logic in all these movements.
      1. 0
        April 20 2022 04: 46
        As they say, ask for a lot, they will still give you less. Money and weapons come in bulk, someone makes very good money on this.
        1. +1
          April 20 2022 04: 59
          Well, this is understandable) I am trying to look at these deliveries from a purely military point of view. Zoo collection from all over the world. This is even in peacetime a wild headache. And here the war is going on at 404. There is no production. Repair options are minimal. Fuel and lubricants are knocked out with frightening regularity. At the same time, their opponent i.e. we can literally bring everything to the front line. And return everything to service. And this despite the fact that we are on the offensive. What are the hopes? The fact that NATO will enter the war? After yesterday's processing there, even the most stoned ones should have already understood that they, like meat, would simply be turned into minced meat. And this is despite the fact that even the Americans recognized that we had not yet really started.
          1. +1
            April 20 2022 09: 46
            The Czechs expressed their desire to repair damaged or mothballed T64s. I think with the rest of the equipment requiring repair, the issue will be resolved in a similar way.
            1. 0
              April 20 2022 12: 24
              until the war is over
          2. 0
            April 21 2022 10: 32
            Well, if you wait a little longer, then there will be nothing to start with) So by the way
      2. +5
        April 20 2022 07: 17
        Quote: carstorm 11
        No stocks of shells 155.

        The shells go along with the artillery, moreover, in an amount exceeding the life of the barrels. There are stocks, they are located on the territory of neighboring states, there are no problems in supply.
        Quote: carstorm 11
        Well, how many of them after that in the Russian Federation will be studied in the form of wreckage?

        How many souls will they send to the next world before this?
        Quote: carstorm 11
        There are no repair bases even for mastered technology, but what will happen to this one?

        So it will have to be done. What is the problem? The M113 is an extremely simple and unpretentious machine, there is no need to learn how to repair, it is easy to supply spare parts.
        Here, rather, the question is why make a serious repair, the equipment is in fact disposable, in a war.
        Quote: carstorm 11
        There is zero logic in all these movements.

        It is clear, understandable and very straightforward. It is necessary to gradually increase the supply of equipment so as not to provoke our violent reaction and teach the Armed Forces of Ukraine to work with NATO equipment. In a few years, they will completely go over to the arsenal of the NATO countries, they will simply shoot the entire Soviet backlog. Then in the next wars between the Russian Federation and Ukraine there will be no problems with supplies.
        1. +1
          April 20 2022 07: 32
          Can you imagine how many shells are needed to ensure at least a minimum density? Echelons one by one. At the same time, there should already be a certain margin on the positions. I understand that they are being given a funny amount. But the fact itself is surprising. Despite the fact that our storage places are beaten regularly and painfully. What showers? They lift the remaining planes into battle at minimum heights. Turkish rumblers are over. Well, will they strike a couple of blows and how will this strategically help them? I also omit the fact that they need to be serviced, maintained and trained by operators. This time. And more. Create repair opportunities? Oh well. Where and what are they moving to?) At such a rate, half of the country will separate while they are moving. Again, militarily, they need success tomorrow and not in years.
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            1. -1
              April 20 2022 07: 52
              So to speak. In terms of echelons, you are overdoing it a lot. On orders. As for military successes ... yes ... I’ll keep quiet about the cruiser. According to ours from those places, too. Only 404 considers this a victory. Well, apparently you too. Read in the early days. Everyone at least somehow connected with the service and staff work said that no one plans to take Kyiv. Spreznye loss of aviation and technology? Let's do it. When planning, there is such a component as predicted losses. How much do you think is the minimum and how much is acceptable in percentage terms? Specifically on the offensive.
              1. +5
                April 20 2022 12: 05
                Quote: carstorm 11
                So to speak. In terms of echelons, you are overdoing it a lot. On orders. As for military successes ... yes ... I’ll keep quiet about the cruiser. According to ours from those places, too. Only 404 considers this a victory. Well, apparently you too. Read in the early days. Everyone at least somehow connected with the service and staff work said that no one plans to take Kyiv. Spreznye loss of aviation and technology? Let's do it. When planning, there is such a component as predicted losses. How much do you think is the minimum and how much is acceptable in percentage terms? Specifically on the offensive.


                You are wrong.
                It was the first days that made everyone understand that our actions in the first days were absolutely illiterate and useless.
                8 directions of impact, and a maximum of 32 thousand soldiers on Kievsky.
                Yes, there are more police in Kyiv than we sent to Kyiv ...
                And so it is in Kharkov, and in Sumy, and in Chernigov.
                It's like that everywhere.
                They wanted to ride on white horses ...
                Liberators.

                Ага.

                And only now began to understand how we messed up in the first month.
                And only now begins at least something similar to more or less hostilities.

                And the initiative and most importantly - time - we have already lost.
                "Echelons with weapons" in any form (train, motor vehicle, plane) - will now go to Ukraine continuously.
                We also have a finite number of weapons.
                And regular army soldiers are also a finite number.
                And since this forum is mostly attended by pensioners who will definitely not go to war anywhere, they believe that we need mobilization.
                We won't be able to mobilize.
                Ага.
                Look around at the youth.
                Walk around the institutions.
                Ask in the streets.
                How many of them, those under 30, served at least a year in the army.
                If only under pain of prison.

                Being a military pensioner is almost a diagnosis!
                The diagnosis is that they know nothing about today's youth.
                1. 0
                  April 20 2022 12: 27
                  so you lowered the military pensioners, you need to be more careful
                  1. 0
                    April 20 2022 13: 36
                    Quote: Nastia Makarova
                    so you lowered the military pensioners, you need to be more careful


                    This diagnosis is common.
                    It is called - professional deformation.
                    A simple separation from society.
                    Many already unemployed pensioners are in a real separation from society.
                    Especially when the children have grown up and the teenage grandchildren do not want to go to their grandfather.
                    They have no time.
                    It's ubiquitous.

                    Professional deformation.
                    In the same way, any doctor working in oncology is almost completely devoid of compassion. For he sees a conveyor of deaths.
                    The pathologist - you will not confuse the blood / intestines / soaked.
                    The investigator will not be embarrassed by domestic violence (they will kill, call!).
                    Caster - you will not be confused by molten metal.
                    Parachutist - height.

                    All these are professional costs.
                    And age.
                    Re-read the article "Weapons we lack" in the discussion of which you participated ...
                    https://topwar.ru/195076-oruzhie-kotorogo-nam-ne-hvataet.html#comment-id-12405536
                    Do you see how the author, a military pensioner, co-founder of the "Pensioners' Party", not the oldest person - is completely far from the world in which he lives????
                    He just lives in an alternate universe.
                    A true example of a "Military Pensioner".
                    1. +1
                      April 20 2022 16: 54
                      This is called humiliation of all that you carry. Firstly, most military pensioners are ordinary men. living among ordinary people. Most often retired at an average of 45 years. Yes. Your activities affect your life. What do you think is better? Sitting smart on a military site discussing military people and military operations? I already asked you, who are you? Are you a military specialist? Do you have extensive experience in conducting military operations and planning them? Now about society. Did someone authorize you to give an assessment of their lives to a whole group of people? You don't take on too much, do you?
                2. 0
                  April 20 2022 12: 49
                  Well, you are apparently more advanced in this regard than those with experience) I read and laugh how we have a lot of military analysts) What do you try to explain with words, on your fingers, at the molecular level, and hell there. By definition, you know more than any military pensioner. Does your experience tell you the correctness of such conclusions and your military education? Graduated from the Academy of General Staff? DB member? Well, what would your words be accepted as an option?
                  1. +2
                    April 20 2022 13: 26
                    Quote: carstorm 11
                    Well, you are apparently more advanced in this regard than those with experience) I read and laugh how we have a lot of military analysts) What do you try to explain with words, on your fingers, at the molecular level, and hell there. By definition, you know more than any military pensioner. Does your experience tell you the correctness of such conclusions and your military education? Graduated from the Academy of General Staff? DB member? Well, what would your words be accepted as an option?


                    In order to know how young people live, what behavioral models they have, what images and ideals, and what they are ready for and what they are not, you do not need to be a graduate of the General Staff Academy.
                    You just need to work with the youth.
                    in a large team.
                    And for a long time.
                    So that you would not be someone else's old fart for them.
                    Then they are not ashamed of you and talk about their topics in front of you.
                    And when you "listen" to them and "hear" them, you begin to understand them.
                    And when you have experience in managing several thousand people, then you know how to operate with cause-and-effect relationships.
                    General Staff academies are not for geniuses.
                    There are very few geniuses in the army.
                    Moreover, geniuses in the army are completely contraindicated.
                    So do not idolize the General Staff - they don’t give mind there.
                    1. +2
                      April 20 2022 13: 51
                      What are you talking about?) Thousands of young people have passed through me alone during the years of service. So your statements are, to put it mildly, controversial. You live in your own world, which, with some joy, gave you the right to judge what a dark forest is for you. The academy is not for geniuses, that's true. Just to get into it you have to stomp a very long road. Leave school in SVU. After 5 years of school. After years of service and career growth. A couple of times hit the road to combat. And all this time to educate and educate young people. Get married, have a baby. Divorce because you are not at home for six months. That's when you experience at least half of how approximately this image is, only then you will have the right to at least say something about them. Two of my friends are in the NWO zone now. One major general became a division commander at the age of 41. How much experience do you think he has of working with several thousand people by his 44? Do you think you are on the same level with him?
                      1. nnm
                        0
                        19 June 2022 06: 27
                        I also did not understand at all why my colleague believes that military pensioners are cut off from youth. Yes, the entire service is only with this very youth and they live practically in the same barracks
                    2. 0
                      April 20 2022 15: 29
                      Quote: SovAr238A
                      In order to know how young people live, what behavioral models they have, what images and ideals, and what they are ready for and what they are not, you do not need to be a graduate of the General Staff Academy.
                      You just need to work with the youth.
                      in a large team.
                      And for a long time.
                      So that you would not be someone else's old fart for them.
                      Then they are not ashamed of you and talk about their topics in front of you.
                      And when you "listen" to them and "hear" them, you begin to understand them.
                      And when you have experience in managing several thousand people, then you know how to operate with cause-and-effect relationships.
                      General Staff academies are not for geniuses.
                      There are very few geniuses in the army.
                      Moreover, geniuses in the army are completely contraindicated.
                      So do not idolize the General Staff - they don’t give mind there.

                      SovAr238A (Al) Aleksey or Alexander (or other name/call sign), you didn't specifically answer Dmitry's carstorm 11 question.
                      Personally, I respect the participants in VO, but with a prejudice towards people who are overly self-confident and tend to teach others (there is a corresponding fable by I. Krylov).
                      You didn't answer Dmitry's questions.
                      I do not agree with you, the experience of previous generations (practical) is important and necessary for future ones, and especially in military affairs ... Yes

                      Best regards,
                  2. -1
                    April 20 2022 14: 38
                    now all military specialists, before that there were all virologists))))
                    1. 0
                      April 20 2022 14: 53
                      Yes, who would doubt) So our man is arranged.
                      1. -1
                        April 20 2022 19: 31
                        Why were the barracks not hit in the first days?
                      2. 0
                        April 20 2022 19: 35
                        Quote: Maxim G
                        Why were the barracks not hit in the first days?

                        Because on the first day, Putin called on the Armed Forces of Ukraine to lay down their arms, and on the second day, to take power into their own hands.
                      3. 0
                        April 20 2022 19: 39
                        I would like to hear the military version.

                        And to remind you that the army is for the people, and not vice versa.
                        And dissatisfaction with the way (and not the very fact of conducting) the Special Operation of the Russian Federation is growing.
                        And the demand can be very serious.
                      4. 0
                        April 21 2022 02: 37
                        And what does it express? I'm really curious. What are the people expecting? TNW strikes? Destruction of cities? What kind of people can have a schedule for how everything should happen?
                      5. +1
                        April 21 2022 02: 33
                        Do you want an obvious fact? I'm 200 percent sure that the 404 had all the data that the operation would start. And I strongly doubt that the troops were sitting in the barracks. You yourself see how NATO intelligence plows on them. I suppose even now I do not undertake to do a planning analysis. For the simple reason that I do not have operational information. And without it, you just start guessing. But I strongly advise those who do this to take, first of all, the voiced tasks of the operation as a basis. Do you know what I noticed in the first days? That of all the directions of strikes, the throw to Kherson and the holding of the bridge were the most different, and at the same time from these unblocking of the water channel to the Crimea. And then everything became clear. Try to look at everything that is happening from this side. Let's see what the conclusions will lead you to) Just like the media near Kyiv, the troops moved. Video of Chechens, columns of paratroopers every day 20 times on all channels. Where else was it like that? Why, in other places of concentration of troops, even a tenth of this window dressing was not observed?
                      6. 0
                        April 21 2022 17: 38
                        By barracks, camp sites, rest homes, hotels, etc. generally in places of deployment of troops.
                        The people expect intelligible answers to questions - about "Saratov", "Moscow", our losses in people and equipment, plans of the leadership, etc.
                      7. 0
                        April 22 2022 04: 29
                        You don’t speak for all the people) I already answered you on the places of lodging. There is no point in hitting empty buildings. Plus, I repeat, analyze the first three days. You will clearly see the direction of the main strikes and the tasks that were set. As for answers ns questions. They will never be in the form that you want. Mistakes are part of the war. It does not happen without errors by definition. What matters is the end result. strategic successes. Intelligible pancake answers) This is not a football match. Do not wait for discussions of tactics and strategy with the public. Losses? MO voiced them twice. The third one will be announced soon. Are you serious in terms of technology and plans?) Let's immediately ask for a broadcast from the General Staff online already) You have an army. You either trust her or accept the fact that plans, losses, etc. will keep secret.
                      8. 0
                        April 23 2022 17: 26
                        I also answered you - if these creatures were taken out, they were not taken out into an open field, and why they didn’t hit those buildings with a question to the command - buildings, hospitals, fire departments, etc.
                        For everything to burn.
      3. +1
        April 20 2022 16: 07
        Quote: carstorm 11
        More like panic. Art first. There are no stocks of shells 155. There is nothing. Are the losses so great or are we just grabbing everything we have? So it's much worse. Reapers? Well, how many of them after that in the Russian Federation will be studied in the form of wreckage? What a sur. BTR 113 is generally a circus. There are no repair bases even for mastered technology, but what will happen to this one? There is zero logic in all these movements.

        Well, or as an option, we were convinced of the determination of the Ukrainians and the impunity of actions + the impossibility (unwillingness) on our part to stop the supply...
        1. 0
          April 21 2022 02: 34
          Because ? The reason for this reluctance should be voiced?!
      4. 0
        April 21 2022 10: 21
        The logic in general is absolutely simple - to make up for losses at the moment. The issue of long-term operation is not considered here.
    2. 0
      April 20 2022 05: 59
      hi
      At one time, Hitler raved about the idea of ​​a "Weapon of Retribution", which would radically change the situation at the front.
      We all know how it ended.
      History repeats itself ...
      1. 0
        April 20 2022 06: 50
        Quote: Mister X
        At one time, Hitler raved about the idea of ​​a "Weapon of Retribution", which would radically change the situation at the front.
        We all know how it ended.
        History repeats itself ...

        He at least counted on his scientists, and Ze can only say: "I want a lot and more! Give! Give! Give"
        1. +2
          April 20 2022 07: 36
          Quote: Egoza
          Give

          Beggar from 404
          1. +1
            April 20 2022 10: 38
            Quote: Mister X
            Beggar from 404

            Well, all the same, he gets something, though here they also dictate what to shout to him. request
      2. +1
        April 20 2022 12: 08
        Quote: Mister X
        hi
        At one time, Hitler raved about the idea of ​​a "Weapon of Retribution", which would radically change the situation at the front.
        We all know how it ended.
        History repeats itself ...


        Poseidon is just a weapon of retaliation ...
        The same someone dreams of them on this site there are hundreds of them ...

        But they do not understand what they are dreaming about retribution
    3. 0
      April 20 2022 07: 00
      and for such a litak, you need a good take-off platform, after all, two tons of weight and a twenty-meter wingspan, you won’t launch such a litak from a clearing
      1. 0
        April 21 2022 10: 22
        Well, not from a clearing, but from an ordinary roadway it’s quite
    4. -1
      April 20 2022 07: 07
      Quote: ASAD
      and there are no operators in the territory.

      That's the problem - not now, they will come from the USA - there will be ... (harny Negro boys). They are operators, who will see them (in a dark room).
    5. +4
      April 20 2022 10: 25
      Everything is much worse.
      The satellite channel is American, the control center is American, the operators are American.
      And here is a Ukrainian-type reaper. And performs tasks in the interests of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
      Ukraine invites the US to fight? Is that how it works?
      1. +4
        April 20 2022 12: 10
        Quote: kytx
        Everything is much worse.
        The satellite channel is American, the control center is American, the operators are American.
        And here is a Ukrainian-type reaper. And performs tasks in the interests of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
        Ukraine invites the US to fight? Is that how it works?


        All right.
        The control point for them, as it was in the state of Illinois, will remain there.
        Operators - just the same, will not go anywhere.

        Absolutely all American large UAVs, no matter where they are based, are controlled only from the USA.

        But if there are Ukrainian colors on the wings, then America cannot be sewn to this.
      2. 0
        April 21 2022 10: 24
        )) you remember the conflicts of the Cold War, it was the same there, but no one calls them the American-Russian war
    6. +1
      April 20 2022 15: 01
      but naturally useless
      Yeah, do you know WHAT happened to Moscow? It is more than likely that such a Reaper worked. By the way, they began to write about them in connection with Ukraine just right after this event.
      Of course, they will be managed by the Americans - and what can you show them, how can you prove that they ruled?
  2. +1
    April 20 2022 05: 01
    Instead or as an addition to Turkish UAVs, it is planned to purchase American ones.

    Reminds me of the story of the US purchase of diesel locomotives and coal.
    Even under Trump, "elder friends" offered Ukraine contracts for the purchase of coal and diesel locomotives at exorbitant prices in order to improve the financial situation of their own companies, Ukraine signed these contracts to its own detriment. Do not leave the Americans in trouble.

    According to official American sources, the US Air Force in 2021 stopped funding the purchase of the MQ-9 Reaper due to their high cost. Instead of purchasing, they requested about $172 to close the General Atomics production line in Poway, California.
    Congress intervened, secretly allocating 286 for the purchase of these devices in order to keep the company afloat for at least another year.
    Below is a screenshot from the government website with specific numbers.

    Thus, the order of the MQ-9 Reaper is a kind of another lifeline for the company, which will now be supported, including at the expense of the impoverished Ukrainian pocket.
    The piquancy of the situation is that in Ukraine, due to financial difficulties, they stopped paying one-time small financial assistance (about $ 200) to people from a number of regions that found themselves in the zone of the Special Operation. It turns out that there is no money for material assistance to people, and paying thirty-two million dollars for one drone is no problem.
    It's a sacred thing to support an American manufacturer.
  3. 0
    April 20 2022 05: 02
    Hmm .. appetite comes with eating ..
  4. 0
    April 20 2022 05: 34
    It seems that Zele will have to console himself with the vulgar proverb "to want is not harmful."
  5. -1
    April 20 2022 06: 10
    Explanatory. A healthy slow-moving target for 30 lemons with the enemy’s complete dominance in the air and with developed air defense, I’m in favor of how much less armor or MLRS will be bought!
    1. +3
      April 20 2022 09: 44
      Complete dominance would not allow all this iron to cross the border. What kind of complete domination can we talk about when a couple of helicopters calmly flew into our territory and burned the tank farm?
      1. +1
        April 20 2022 11: 09
        Will Reaper also sneak up at a height of 5 - 10 meters?))
        1. 0
          April 20 2022 11: 50
          I think they will pick up other tactics for him
    2. -1
      April 20 2022 21: 40
      So full that Bayraktars still fly
    3. 0
      April 21 2022 10: 27
      Well, here are two MI-24s that set fire to the oil depot, much healthier targets)
      1. -1
        April 21 2022 10: 31
        Can a TRipper fly in the mountains with terrain avoidance?
        1. 0
          April 21 2022 10: 33
          Do you think a low-speed, maneuverable car with a bunch of sensors should not be able to do this?
          1. -1
            April 21 2022 10: 41
            Do you think that comparing a single breakthrough of helicopters on foot above the trees with a high-altitude low-speed target is a kind of excuse?
            1. 0
              April 21 2022 12: 19
              Excuse someone from what?) It can work at low altitude - maybe it can work not 5-10 km. It can too. What am I getting rid of?
              1. -1
                April 21 2022 12: 27
                It cannot work at low altitude - there are no weapons or detection systems for low altitude. You excuse yourself from the fact that this is a stupid target in conditions of unsuppressed air defense, you can only drive barmaley. Or in peacetime, fly along the borders, in Ukraine, having gained a kilometer altitude, on which he still doesn’t see shit - he will be dropped from the sky right away
                1. 0
                  April 21 2022 12: 38
                  Very interesting. Then the question is, what kind of systems are there that for some reason do not see anything near the ground, but they see perfectly at a height. Secondly, what is low altitude for you? And that means helicopters can come up and strike, they have the appropriate weapons, but a drone that weighs 2,5 times less with a full load cannot?
                  1. -1
                    April 21 2022 12: 56
                    Smoke materiel, what is a heavy drone and why is it needed. This is not a bayraktar, he has other tasks. And at a low altitude - corny close to the horizon
                    1. -1
                      April 21 2022 17: 30
                      I don’t need to say what a heavy drone is) I asked specific questions in my opinion.
                      1. -1
                        April 21 2022 17: 36
                        Do you really not understand the difference between a spotty and a fool at 10 km?
                      2. 0
                        April 21 2022 17: 39
                        Well, I'm waiting, yes, or you still do not understand?
                      3. 0
                        April 21 2022 17: 39
                        Or are you going to do the replies?
                      4. -1
                        April 21 2022 18: 38
                        do you think a low-speed, maneuverable car with a bunch of sensors should not be able to do this?

                        Well, I'm waiting, yes, or you still do not understand?

                        I understand. And by the way, I'm older. I didn’t jump a little to the edge, alas
                        and how are you? chew a cookie
  6. +1
    April 20 2022 06: 12
    During the training of Ukrainian operators, the equipment could be operated by American specialists.
    This would mean the direct involvement of the penguins against Russia. And this is a completely different conversation. Here the "partners" really should think about the afterlife.
  7. +2
    April 20 2022 06: 31
    Instead or as an addition to Turkish UAVs, it is planned to purchase American ones. However, the possibility of obtaining and effectively using such a technique remains questionable.

    It takes a long time to learn. If American strike UAVs appear in Ukraine, then they will be controlled by American operators from the territory of the United States, and this is already a direct military intervention in the conflict.
    1. 0
      April 21 2022 10: 28
      The UAV is just not a fighter, you don’t need to learn long and hard
  8. +3
    April 20 2022 06: 35
    During the training of Ukrainian operators, the equipment could be operated by American specialists. However, such a step could have negative political and military consequences, and it is unlikely that Washington will decide on it.

    Ha.
    And what are the consequences?
    Yes, none.
    Americans and Angles there and now are participating with might and main, so what?
    1. 0
      April 20 2022 10: 32
      American and British fighters have no official relationship with the army.
      Feel the difference
  9. +2
    April 20 2022 06: 39
    This drone has a huge size, 11 meters long and 20 meters wingspan. Speed ​​480. Good ceiling, but to destroy the target, you need to get closer than 10 km. Against good air defense should be an easy target.
    1. 0
      April 21 2022 10: 29
      Now let's think about whether there is a good PVL there
  10. 0
    April 20 2022 07: 06
    So they are terribly expensive belay
    1. 0
      April 20 2022 23: 25
      And they need a satellite in geostationary orbit, perhaps a satellite for every 1-2 drones (depending on the quality of the picture from the board and the bandwidth of the satellite).
    2. 0
      April 21 2022 10: 29
      Lendlis why not, a question for Congress
  11. 0
    April 20 2022 08: 17
    Useless piece of iron in the conditions of Ukrainian realities, but the piece of iron is expensive, requiring a long training of operators. Are they really going to fight for 10 years?
    1. 0
      April 21 2022 10: 30
      They lived in conditions of permanent conflict for 8 years. Do you think it will be quiet there?
  12. 0
    April 20 2022 13: 47
    Ukraine wants reconnaissance and strike UAVs MQ-9 Reaper Traitor...Reaper....
  13. +1
    April 20 2022 14: 19
    And we want this...
    1. 0
      April 21 2022 17: 34
      Now it will be difficult to do this because of the sanctions
      1. 0
        April 22 2022 09: 53
        The main problem is the engine ...... For the Russian Federation
  14. -1
    April 20 2022 21: 49
    Quote: Orsis338
    So full that Bayraktars still fly

    which were brought yesterday laughing Those who brought two days ago flew off without even seeing the enemy. And a healthy fool tripper will lie down on takeoff
    1. 0
      April 21 2022 17: 35
      Not a great loss if some other destroyer or frigate helps to sink)
  15. 0
    April 21 2022 12: 12
    Ukraine wants reconnaissance and strike UAVs MQ-9 Reaper

  16. 0
    April 25 2022 04: 42
    If such a bird in the style of Rust comes to Moscow on May 9 and works on 55.753605, 37.619773, then there will be an epic obosrams.
  17. 0
    10 May 2022 22: 59
    A futile undertaking.

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