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The officers of the elite division beat the private - presumably with a towel and soap

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Two contract officers of the famous Kantemirovskaya division are accused of beating the private - one of them, allegedly, used soap wrapped in a towel for this. According to RIA "News"This was reported on Monday by the main military investigative department of the UK.

A lawsuit was filed under the article “abuse of office with the use of violence” filed against military personnel under the contract of the military unit 19612 (deployed in Naro-Fominsk) by the commander of the 1 anti-aircraft missile battery of senior lieutenant Andrey Sychev and the commander of the 2 anti-aircraft missile battery of captain Alexey Chernikov .

The investigation found out that in August of this year, during trainings in the Astrakhan region, suspects beat ordinary Dmitry Varivod because he did not execute the “hang up” command, and also recently made several minor violations of the order of service.

“Sychev wrapped a laundry soap in a towel, after which he began to inflict multiple blows on the private soldier’s body,” the article notes. Doctors ascertained in the soldier a closed head injury, as well as numerous abrasions on the face and body.

Sychev and Chernikov face up to ten years in prison.

The anti-aircraft missile battery, where contract soldiers serve, is part of the 4th Guards tank division known as Kantemirovskaya.
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  1. nycsson
    nycsson 2 October 2012 11: 43
    +19
    What else remains for these officers to do? Full thugs come from single-parent families, and even with a criminal past, without education, etc. But there is no guardhouse !!! If there was a guardhouse, then this rabbit would be put there for ten days and that’s all! And it wouldn’t be necessary to beat! In ten days he would have left all his civic nonsense there! Sorry for these officers!
    1. Roman Dmitriev
      Roman Dmitriev 2 October 2012 11: 55
      +8
      Quote: nycsson
      What else remains for these officers to do?
      They should have him sing a lullaby wassat But the officers are really sorry, at first they were deprived of disciplinary measures (guardhouse), and now they are presenting something.
      1. nycsson
        nycsson 2 October 2012 12: 00
        +11
        Quote: Roman Dmitriev
        They should have him sing a lullaby

        That's for sure! We have to persuade the army now!
        Quote: Roman Dmitriev
        But the officers are really sorry, at first they were deprived of disciplinary measures (guardhouse), and now they are presenting something.

        I worked for eight years with the personnel and got just when this mess went! My last appeal was 2 years, then transferred to one and a half, and then for a year! And in general I am silent about the guardhouse - this is a blow below the belt on discipline in the troops!
        1. Flooding
          Flooding 2 October 2012 12: 08
          0
          Quote: nycsson
          What else remains for these officers to do? Full thugs come from single-parent families, and even with a criminal past, without education, etc. But there is no guardhouse !!

          If there are no other measures of influence other than assault, then such an officer in the army has nothing to do. Full thugs, I dare to recall - these are the guys who, if something happens, will go under fire tomorrow.
          1. nycsson
            nycsson 2 October 2012 12: 25
            +13
            Quote: Flood
            If there are no other measures of influence other than assault

            The fact of the matter is that no!
            Quote: Flood
            there is nothing for such an officer in the army to do.

            And what officer should be? Kiss them in the ass or what? A soldier must clearly understand his place and mission! It must be passed on to him with mother’s milk and further on the rise!
            Quote: Flood
            Full thugs, I dare to recall - these are the guys who, if something happens, will go under fire tomorrow.

            If he was peacefully ambushed, then he will remain in the military ..........
            1. Flooding
              Flooding 2 October 2012 12: 46
              +1
              Quote: nycsson
              And what officer should be? Kiss them in the ass or what? A soldier must clearly understand his place and mission! It must be passed on to him with mother’s milk and further on the rise!

              I repeat - then in the modern Russian army where
              Quote: nycsson
              Full thugs come from single-parent families, and even with a criminal past, without education, etc.

              such officers have nothing to do. I think these officers also didn’t get something out of their mother’s milk. In the post-war years, somehow managed to grow staff officers from homeless thieves, but now you see the contingent is not happy.
              Quote: nycsson
              If he was a civilian in peace, then he will remain in the military ...

              It’s not true, the army from many times made full-fledged soldiers.
              1. vorobey
                vorobey 2 October 2012 12: 55
                +10
                Quote: Flood
                Quote: nycsson And what should be the officer?


                And what have forgotten the army folk wisdom?

                WHERE A SOLDIER DO NOT KISSE EVERYWHERE POP. (Through the big F).

                The stricter but humane with the soldier the better for him and for you.

                Our tactics teacher at TVTKU, Colonel Kudinov, drove into our brains. You first feed the soldier, heat, teach, and then go to the full and demand. and most importantly, do not disdain to live a soldier’s life yourself, but with us you look at the new summer, they are all peppers, eight times faster than the pig tail, and there is no experience with people. Why the two of us? Yes, because he sucked one by one.
              2. nycsson
                nycsson 2 October 2012 18: 07
                0
                Quote: Flood
                I think these officers also didn’t get something out of their mother’s milk.

                There are all sorts, however, as elsewhere!
                Quote: Flood
                In the post-war years, they somehow managed to raise professional officers from homeless thieves.

                Invalid comparison .....
                Quote: Flood
                and now you see the contingent is not satisfied.

                Any contingent suits us! There would be leverage ...
                Quote: Flood
                It’s not true, the army from many times made full-fledged soldiers.

                When there was a guardhouse, then they did it, but now you won’t do anything with it, so it will be nerves for a year ......
                1. Flooding
                  Flooding 2 October 2012 18: 09
                  0
                  Quote: nycsson
                  Invalid comparison ..

                  Why so? Other times, other mores - the problems are almost unchanged.
                  As, however, and methods for solving them.
            2. Mikado
              Mikado 2 October 2012 21: 01
              0
              I do not know. My father "passed" for ten years under the water, he said that their officers, muzzling the sailors, flew off the ship very quickly. Somehow they knew how to raise "thugs" without assault. So, in fact, it turns out that here both sides are frostbitten, some do not understand orders, others do not know how to do anything else, except to beat the face.
          2. mar.tira
            mar.tira 2 October 2012 13: 56
            +5
            [quote = Flood] these are the guys who, if something happens, will go under fire tomorrow. [/ quElite units will never fall under the first, and therefore destructive, fire! They are located in the interior of the country, closer to civilization and all the blessings of the earth. Because there is lawlessness there, that people don’t feel the danger of being killed or wounded in battle, and a friend will help him out if there is trouble. They can only be proud of the past exploits of the war veterans, they can’t eat vodka and march in parades, and they don’t know how to even march on them. You can’t even let them out to the front line. With me soldiers and ensigns could just talk, quarrel, drive, even give cuffs. But that would be so sophisticated that it would not be visible !!!! This is a weak man, and a weak officer. That’s why bullying is in the army.
          3. donchepano
            donchepano 2 October 2012 20: 58
            0
            MOLDOVAN: PROBABLY "OFFENSE" ... HOW WANTED? IN THE ARMY BARDAK, QUIET HOUR OF GYM SHOES OR SNEAKERS.
            WHAT TO HELL THE ARMY UNDER THE CURRENT DEFENSE OF THE DEFENSE
            1. Flooding
              Flooding 3 October 2012 11: 30
              0
              Quote: donchepano
              MOLDOVAN: PROBABLY "OFFENSE" ...

              Is this apparently addressed to me?
              That I misunderstood. Do you want to express some THOUGHT?
      2. vorobey
        vorobey 2 October 2012 12: 18
        +16
        Quote: Roman Dmitriev
        And the officers are really sorry, at first they were deprived of disciplinary measures (guardhouse),


        And I beat (flogged with a belt) but smart. before that I already had five explanatory pieces in the safe from the fighter. and the most intelligent as they believed, without thinking, they added that due to the fact that all disciplinary measures do not have the proper effect, he (the fighter) does not mind other methods of education up to the initiation of a criminal case. guys do not lie. Three of them ripped off the rest and began to think. He also unsubscribed to their parents on these facts. Fathers reacted by the way adequately.
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 2 October 2012 12: 22
          +5
          Quote: vorobey
          And I beat (flogged with a belt) but smart. before that I already had five explanatory pieces in the safe from the fighter. and the smartest as they believed, without thinking, they added that due to the fact that all disciplinary measures do not have the proper effect, he (the fighter) does not object to other methods of education up to the initiation of a criminal case. guys don't bp

          Super)))) explanatory in general chic !!!
          Quote: vorobey
          He also unsubscribed to their parents on these facts. Fathers reacted by the way adequately

          Yes, such a commander, parents should have worn in their arms !!
          1. vorobey
            vorobey 2 October 2012 12: 39
            +5
            Alibek welcome. they wore. And as for the explanatory, my commander taught me how to work with personnel. Often they asked the question who knocks me, the answer was usually received first on the demobilization, and then cadets on the issue that they knocked on themselves and did not think about it. While you go from the checkpoint to the barracks, you’ll talk to one. with another, and already the picture of how night and morning went is clear.
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 2 October 2012 12: 49
              0
              Quote: vorobey

              Alibek welcome. they wore. And as for the explanatory, my commander taught me how to work with personnel. Often they asked the question who knocks me, the answer was usually received first on the demobilization, and then cadets on the issue that they knocked on themselves and did not think about it. While you go from the checkpoint to the barracks, you’ll talk to one. with another, and already the picture of how night and morning went is clear.

              Hello Alexander!!
              You are a true leader!
              You have a talent!
              You are absolutely right!
              Even after the service, I never forced anyone to revelation!
              It’s just that there are always people who want to sit a little longer with the boss in the office)) and when there is nothing to say, they surely write that without feeling the oil painting))))))) and then wonder who passed it?))
              1. vorobey
                vorobey 2 October 2012 13: 02
                +6
                Alibek, and by the way, everyone had a chance to express their displeasure. On weekends, when he remained in charge and the unit was not on duty, a sportswoman organized fights. gloves and go everyone who wants to try to clean the commander’s slurp. All honestly, without epaulets and titles. it happened that they pierced. What insults? And about the talent there, perhaps this is the experience of 13 years with people. He began with the sergeant, with the squad leader.
                1. Yarbay
                  Yarbay 2 October 2012 13: 07
                  0
                  Quote: vorobey
                  All honestly, without epaulets and titles. it happened that pierced

                  I am opposed to this)))))
                  there are reasons)))))))))
                  But perhaps you are right!
                  1. vorobey
                    vorobey 2 October 2012 13: 20
                    +4
                    Quote: Yarbay
                    I am opposed to this))))) there are reasons))))))))))


                    When a person (soldier) suspects you of a prejudice, after the fight, when you approach you hug him and his self-esteem rises and bad thoughts do not go into your head and it all became easier for me because everything that had accumulated also with soap and a towel could. I do not know the rights, I am not right - there were no complaints. Each has its own methods. but Atas cries, the sparrow goes and there was a furious rustling in the location.
                    1. Yarbay
                      Yarbay 2 October 2012 13: 26
                      +2
                      Quote: vorobey
                      Each has its own methods. but Atas cries, the sparrow goes and there was a furious rustling in the location.

                      Yes, it was worth it!
                      Quote: vorobey

                      When a person (soldier) suspects you of a prejudice, after the fight, when you approach you hug him and his self-esteem rises and bad thoughts do not go into your head and it all became easier for me because everything that had accumulated also with soap and a towel could. I do not know the rights, I am not right - there were no complaints.

                      To a large extent you are right!
                      Only this, too, must be able to!
        2. nycsson
          nycsson 2 October 2012 18: 14
          +1
          Quote: vorobey
          And I beat (flogged with a belt) but smart.

          And I had other methods! I’ve never been involved in physical abuse, physical exercises in the form of crosses, push-ups and squats! And what to do, in any other way .......

          Quote: vorobey
          and the smartest as they believed, without thinking, they added that due to the fact that all disciplinary measures do not have the proper effect, he (the fighter) does not object to other methods of education up to the initiation of a criminal case. guys do not lie.

          As I didn’t think of such a thing ........ The soldier’s most important business is to conduct the mind wisely ....... apply explanatory conversations, and most importantly, they should sign their jambs there ..... ... it works, but not always, there is a contingent that is not breaking through ..........
        3. tekinoral
          tekinoral 3 October 2012 17: 47
          0
          and then say youth doesn’t want in the army, a soldier can be punished without a club, a soldier cannot be beaten!
    2. Yarbay
      Yarbay 2 October 2012 12: 19
      0
      Quote: nycsson
      But there is no guardhouse!

      How not ??
      Where did it go?
      1. nycsson
        nycsson 2 October 2012 12: 30
        +7
        Quote: Yarbay
        How not ??

        Like this! There was a desbat, but only through the court! And garrison guardhouses have long been gone. Ten years, even more! Now the company commanders, battalions do not have the same power as it was before. We decided that it was not humane with respect to the soldier! And the officers nerves yell and lay a bolt on them - this is normal!
        1. DIMS
          DIMS 2 October 2012 12: 32
          0
          The lip remained. But the arrest is also in court.
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 2 October 2012 12: 35
            -1
            Quote: DIMS

            The lip remained. But the arrest is also in court.

            Are you laughing ?? is it in every part the military judge should then sit !! ??
            1. PSih2097
              PSih2097 2 October 2012 12: 43
              0
              Are you laughing ?? is it in every part the military judge should then sit !! ??

              What a court, initially it should be a garrison tribunal.
              1. DIMS
                DIMS 2 October 2012 13: 01
                0
                A garrison military court to be precise. We do not have tribunals. But it is no different from the usual, except that it "serves" the military.
            2. DIMS
              DIMS 2 October 2012 13: 02
              0
              I don’t laugh. They demanded to bring the disciplinary charter in accordance with the law. And the arrest we have only by court order.
              1. Ascetic
                Ascetic 2 October 2012 21: 10
                +2
                Quote: DIMS
                I don’t laugh. They demanded to bring the disciplinary charter in accordance with the law. And the arrest we have only by court order.


                Disciplinary Charter of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation
                CHAPTER III. Disciplinary action

                51. The following penalties may be imposed on soldiers and sailors:

                a) reprimand;

                b) severe reprimand;

                c) depriving soldiers and sailors who are doing military service on conscription of the next dismissal from the location of a military unit or from a ship to shore;

                d) the appointment of soldiers and sailors who are in military service on conscription, out of turn in a work order - up to 5 orders;

                d) arrest with keeping on guardhouse of soldiers and sailors who are doing military service under the contract - up to 7 days, and soldiers and sailors who are doing military service on conscription - up to 10 days;

                f) deprivation of the badge of the excellent student;

                g) early dismissal of soldiers and sailors who are undergoing military service under the contract.

                52. The following penalties may be imposed on sergeants and foremen who are in military service on conscription:

                a) reprimand;

                b) severe reprimand;

                c) the deprivation of another dismissal from the location of a military unit or from ship to shore;

                d) arrest with detention on guardhouse - up to 10 days;

                e) deprivation of the badge of an excellent student;

                e) demotion;

                g) a decrease in the military rank by one step;

                h) a decrease in the military rank by one notch with a transfer to a lower position.
          2. nycsson
            nycsson 2 October 2012 18: 15
            +2
            Quote: DIMS
            The lip remained. But the arrest is also in court.

            This is not that lip! He’ll just be arrested and that’s all, and on that buzz they drunk them to the fullest .........
        2. Yarbay
          Yarbay 2 October 2012 12: 34
          +1
          Quote: nycsson
          Like this! There was a desbat, but only through the court! And garrison guardhouses have long been gone. Ten years, even more! Now the company commanders, battalions do not have the same power as it was before. We decided that it was not humane with respect to the soldier!

          Wow!!!!!!!!!!!
          Who thought this up ???
          1. nycsson
            nycsson 2 October 2012 18: 16
            0
            Quote: Yarbay
            Who thought this up ???

            Committee of Soldiers' Mothers, which is funded from over the hill!
    3. Slayer
      Slayer 2 October 2012 12: 36
      0
      Quote: nycsson
      What else remains for these officers to do? Full thugs come from single-parent families, and even with a criminal past, without education, etc. But there is no guardhouse !!! If there was a guardhouse, then this rabbit would be put there for ten days and that’s all! And it wouldn’t be necessary to beat! In ten days he would have left all his civic nonsense there! Sorry for these officers!

      Sorry for the officers? What should I do? fuck .. before the craniocerebral injury is it your way officer? these officers are no less thugs, and these need to be planted so that the uniform’s honor does not disgrace, in my time they put fists at night for large shoals, but if a soldier does not follow orders at all and lives as he wants, then there is a military prosecutor’s office and a disbat.
      1. Alexei
        Alexei 2 October 2012 13: 10
        +3
        Quote: Slayer
        if a soldier doesn’t execute orders at all and lives as he wants, then there is a military prosecutor’s office and a disbat

        To move further through a military career, it is necessary that there are fewer ships, otherwise the officer will be considered problematic, and command him a maximum company until retirement. Therefore, they try not to take dirty linen from the hut to the courts. It seems that the minister and the president said that they say take it out, it will not affect the career, but it still affects, apparently. And now the guys are not punchy, without special moral values, only with a fear of physical violence. Tricky! And they can pretend to be a fool, and lazy as sloths on the branches ... No, plus there is, they rummage in the computer, but this is not an indicator for the army. Why the prosecutor’s office, why the disbat? Why would a guy spoil his life, maybe a peaceful duley a couple of times, and ...
        ... and immediately wants to serve,
        digging trenches and in boots--
        what a grace!
        1. DIMS
          DIMS 2 October 2012 13: 15
          +1
          Not only will they consider it problematic, but they will also be punished financially for each criminal offense. That is the practice. Counterproductive, but used everywhere. If it’s a criminal offense, it means that the staff was poorly trained.
        2. Slayer
          Slayer 2 October 2012 13: 16
          +1
          Quote: Alexej
          Why the prosecutor’s office, why the disbat? Why would a guy spoil his life, maybe a peaceful duley a couple of times, and ...
          ... and immediately wants to serve,

          A skull brain injury does not spoil life?
          1. Alexei
            Alexei 2 October 2012 13: 32
            0
            Quote: Slayer
            A skull brain injury does not spoil life?

            Spoil. Search, I do not justify them. But it seems to me that he already had it (only hidden) - that was manifested.
    4. Ascetic
      Ascetic 2 October 2012 18: 00
      +5
      Quote: nycsson
      What else remains for these officers to do?


      For example, I personally with such lads held an additional lesson in practicing hand-to-hand combat in a sports corner in the barracks (there was always a duty plan, only changed dates and last names for unnecessarily curious politicians and prosecutors).
      We wore boxing gloves and go to the rack !! It helped very well and without any crime and inconsistency. In his youth he had the first rank. He started in the second middle, finished light heavy. At school, then the truth started this thing on time. But I do not forget the OFP to this day but without fanaticism. By the way, the guy on my avatar in terms of complexion really matches the original, even the bald head is the same, so I chose it (I don’t remember who was interested, therefore I satisfy my curiosity)
      1. Rezun
        Rezun 2 October 2012 18: 28
        +1
        I support and respect!
        Moreover, the audience for some reason loses sight of the fact that there were two "officers" and one soldier.
        I had it at the training camp, I offered it one on one, still no, no, but we’ll crush the bubble.
    5. tekinoral
      tekinoral 3 October 2012 17: 42
      0
      you really believe that the conscript is guilty, and you believe the investigation was honest to the end, I feel sorry for you
  2. volcano
    volcano 2 October 2012 11: 44
    +7
    This is certainly bad, but I just want to say ... you annoy ... there will be no one to serve .... The quality of the "soldier contingent" is something .... he will hammer a bolt and he will not get anything for it ... the conscientiousness level of the conscript goes off the scale .... towards unconsciousness.
    1. Alexei
      Alexei 2 October 2012 13: 41
      0
      Quote: volkan
      And the level of consciousness of the draftee directly rolls over .... towards unconsciousness.

      I agree! They are consciously unconscious.
  3. leon-iv
    leon-iv 2 October 2012 11: 54
    +2
    Ble.at already told the world how many times ....
    Our people do not remember the playful games and education through the team. Although some really want to give a fifth point.
  4. baltika-18
    baltika-18 2 October 2012 11: 58
    +2
    The lip must be returned. We had, so on it instead of the drill, rushing-crawling. For 5 days I remember kirzachi to the holes erased, on the asphalt as sandpaper. And what is most surprising is no one, neither then, nor even now resentment. It’s hard someone will say mockery, but brains at once got in place. And there was discipline.
    1. nycsson
      nycsson 2 October 2012 12: 08
      +2
      Quote: baltika-18
      The lip must be returned. We had, so on it instead of the drill, rushing-crawling. For 5 days I remember kirzachi to the holes erased, on the asphalt as sandpaper. And what is most surprising is no one, neither then, nor even now resentment. It’s hard someone will say mockery, but brains at once got in place. And there was discipline.

      Here I am about the same! hi
  5. predator
    predator 2 October 2012 11: 59
    +3
    And what kind of animal is this - a "contract officer"? When I served there were just OFFICERS, well, "biennials" are also "jackets".
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 2 October 2012 12: 44
      0
      And what kind of animal is this - a "contract officer"?

      according to the principle - "oil - oily".
      1. Ruslan67
        Ruslan67 2 October 2012 14: 12
        +1
        I did not have time to ask the same thing: maybe there were two-year-olds in view of the jackets?
  6. Aeneas
    Aeneas 2 October 2012 12: 05
    +6
    it’s a bad idea to put soap in a towel on a bar. Boys can go on a hike without brakes ... Nah, we don’t need such hockey! feel ... Well, there you can give a penny, a pendell, to drive them to the OZK ... A bunch of all sorts of methods of moral and physical violence ... sorry ... impact, without crippling and fatal outcomes.
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 2 October 2012 12: 23
      +1
      Quote: Aeneas

      bad idea - put on a bar of soap in a towel

      Busting and big !!
    2. volcano
      volcano 2 October 2012 15: 28
      +2
      Quote: Aeneas
      drive into the ozk ...


      Yeah ... I had a case when I was still in school ....... the hall ..... well, in general, a company for the commander, I got ... so he collected us sergeants in the OZK with gas masks and put on a march-throw on 5 km .... it’s kind of pozhebosky but on the street +27 and in a gas mask and yes OZK doesn’t work out ...
      In short, we almost threw away the hooves ........ And now I remember with a laugh .... the educator ... the father is the commander ....... only after all you can move horses, no less than with soap in a towel or stools ....... and if God forbid, any of the fins of us glued together ...... then the conversation would be different .....
      So the quality of "education methods" is very much dependent on its consequences ..... normal consequences are good, not normal - NOT good .....
      1. Aeneas
        Aeneas 3 October 2012 08: 54
        0
        5 km and without progivogaz not gut .... We have such a standard (because not infantry wassat ) was not, limited to a three-ruble note, and only once ran cross-country. I almost erased my kidneys from habit, but invested in a triple recourse
  7. DIMS
    DIMS 2 October 2012 12: 20
    0
    Two contract officers of the famous Kantemirovskaya division are accused of beating a private

    The 4th Guards Tank Division has not existed for three years already. Journalists are such journalists.
    According to these anti-aircraft gunners, junior officers are now completely unable to work with personnel
  8. Sasha 19871987
    Sasha 19871987 2 October 2012 12: 21
    0
    it would be better if they pumped a guy, and he would be of benefit and they themselves wouldn’t get into this spicy situation ...
  9. 8 company
    8 company 2 October 2012 12: 33
    +7
    Overdone explicitly. In my experience, if an officer joins in for a job without bullying, then no one is offended. In general, it is better to avoid such things, only in extreme cases, when a soldier is completely cut off. As someone rightly pointed out above, there are many other ways to educate.
    1. mongoose
      mongoose 2 October 2012 12: 43
      -2
      I personally am for the return of corporal punishment to the administrative code, well, it won’t hurt the army either, they still smack elite English schools, and they don’t howl
  10. Professor
    Professor 2 October 2012 12: 41
    +6
    I am shocked not by what happened (offenses are everywhere), but by the reaction of members of the forum who see "nothing wrong" in the fact that the so-called officers "kissed" the soldier.
    This is not an army, but a gateway !!!
    1. leon-iv
      leon-iv 2 October 2012 13: 03
      +2
      Professor
      Well, in fact, this happens in any team, especially in the male. They just don’t like to put it up for discussion. For example, the Amer Marines in Afghanistan had to accept newcomers to the railway. This is also not normal but a fact. The IDF recently also had a scandal about mocking a rookie.
      1. Odessa
        Odessa 2 October 2012 13: 11
        +2
        leon-iv,
        The IDF recently also had a scandal about mocking a rookie.

        I do not deny, but this is the exception rather than the rule.
        1. leon-iv
          leon-iv 2 October 2012 13: 28
          +1
          I do not deny, but this is the exception rather than the rule
          I agree that it is necessary more often that a soldier should not let go of his brain at home on weekend Schaerotoxicosis.
    2. vorobey
      vorobey 2 October 2012 13: 11
      +5
      Professor, did you have to pull your fighters out of the cops for a fight? You have not been deprived of a bonus for a sold-out ... patron in the guard of honor? Weren't you dragged for crossbows? and much more.
      1. Professor
        Professor 2 October 2012 15: 52
        +7
        I had a lot of things, but never before the assault !!! the matter did not reach. The charter gives so many levers of influence that physical violence loses its need. We should not forget about the "carrot" method, which IHMO is much more effective than the "stick" method. And yet, if an officer is not able to gain authority from his subordinates, then he has nothing to do in the army.
        1. vorobey
          vorobey 2 October 2012 16: 13
          +4
          Professor plus. There are a lot of methods really. But let's not compare units. Forgive me for a military specialty. Who are you?
          1. Professor
            Professor 2 October 2012 16: 24
            +3
            My greatest achievement was the commander of the emergency rescue group of the Black Sea Fleet (the USSR taught me to be a rescuer with specialization in submarines) ... but life forced me to retrain as a radio operator in the ground forces where I reached the deserved deserving of no one.
            1. vorobey
              vorobey 2 October 2012 16: 33
              +3
              Quote: Professor
              Black Sea Rescue Team


              Well, we are almost colleagues of the Black Sea Fleet steers, but nevertheless, the number of units and composition, including the national one, sometimes leaves its mark. with Alibek only in PM shared their memories. Gingerbread is good when you have all the fighters adequate and educated by the way, the fleet and signalmen in this regard were ahead of all in the crew in Sevastopol, but the fuel oils were different already that no one was worthless. Professor, well, you know this whole kitchen.
            2. Rezun
              Rezun 2 October 2012 18: 39
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              Take it easy Professor!
              We need you! With uv.Resun.
    3. DIMS
      DIMS 2 October 2012 13: 17
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      How will the platoon commander, company commander, battalion commander and brigade be punished for a subordinate who has been prosecuted?
      1. leon-iv
        leon-iv 2 October 2012 13: 29
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        How will the platoon commander, company commander, battalion commander and brigade be punished for a subordinate who has been prosecuted?
        Communication with the commander is strict with entering, etc., and they will certainly be deprived of the prize.
        1. vorobey
          vorobey 2 October 2012 13: 37
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          Quote: leon-iv
          and be sure to lose the prize

          children of a platoon, company, as a rule, bonuses were thrown out, and this is with the still miserable and untimely salaries. And the relationship with the senior boss seemed less anxious.
        2. DIMS
          DIMS 2 October 2012 13: 42
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          I asked about the IDF
  11. understudy
    understudy 2 October 2012 12: 57
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    Quote: Professor
    This is not an army, but a gateway !!!

    "This is the Army, son!" (c) And only those who did not have a unit of expensive personnel under their command can reason differently. Former political fighters can keep quiet ...
    We did not deduce the formula of army service and education - "If you cannot, we will teach, if you do not want, we will force it!" This is what my grandfather, born in 1902, said. And he heard the same from his grandfather ...
    On the topic ... to see the "contract officers", in contrast to the "officers", the tension with the options for re-education.
    1. Professor
      Professor 2 October 2012 15: 55
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      You can make it without resorting to scuffle. In a civilian, too, suggest subordinates to beat? To each (except for complete morons) a person can and should find an approach - this is called work with personnel.
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 2 October 2012 16: 50
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        Quote: Professor
        To each (except for complete morons)

        Professor ... yay. So all the same there are exceptions? I do not approve of all my service three times stooped to this, but it was.
  12. plump
    plump 2 October 2012 13: 22
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    And what did the officers do at the end? This is the work of ml.
    1. DIMS
      DIMS 2 October 2012 13: 23
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      They are at the field exit with live firing.
    2. leon-iv
      leon-iv 2 October 2012 13: 30
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      And what did the officers do at the end?
      Evening verification and the duty officer.
  13. Check
    Check 2 October 2012 13: 35
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    But there is no guardhouse !!! If there was a guardhouse, then this rabbit would be put there for ten days and that’s all!

    Good day!
    On November 15, 2006, the State Duma adopted a law restoring guardhouses in the Russian army. On December 2, 2006, Russian President V. Putin signed a law establishing the procedure for the use of disciplinary arrest by military courts against military personnel [2]. The law entered into force on January 1, 2007. In accordance with it, a soldier may be subjected to disciplinary arrest solely by decision of the military tribunal of the appropriate instance for unauthorized abandonment of a unit, violation of the rules for handling weapons, and the performance of military duties while intoxicated or intoxicated. The decision on the arrest will be the responsibility of the garrison courts. The deadline for staying at the guardhouse is 45 days.
  14. bubla5
    bubla5 2 October 2012 13: 55
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    Somehow one-sidedly everything is presented, with intent, we need to figure out who for what, and assault is not a method, but there are such morons who only understand the power and do not gloat over the officers, while they are not protected by law and charter
  15. d.gksueyjd
    d.gksueyjd 2 October 2012 20: 19
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    The army respects: either strength, or knowledge (skill), no third is given. Frosts in the army are among both officers and soldiers, among soldiers there are much more. I do not condone the actions of the officers, but once a fighter brought me to the handle, but then everyone respected me and no one was rude.