The monument to the Nazis in Rossosh was still denazified

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The monument to the Nazis in Rossosh was still denazified

At one time, we paid attention to this blatant disgrace, as a monument to the Italian fascists from the Alpine Corps, who fought on our territory.

We wrote more than one article and filmed more than one material, which we sent to the Prosecutor General's Office.



Protection of the "hat" in Rossosh
Monument to Italian fascists in Rossosh

The General Prosecutor's Office did not help us in any way, sending everything down to Rossosh, where the local authorities, who are abundantly friends with representatives of the veteran society of Alpine shooters, kept silent, and we did not even receive any answer from the Rossosh prosecutor's office.

However, it couldn't be. While representatives of the Rossosh elite were safely skating with official and not very, but very friendly visits to Italy, the "Hat", as the monument was called in the city, continued to stand. And around it are invisible, but deep defense trenches dug by local officials.

And so, on the night of April 15, someone's patience snapped.



The pictures show that denazification took place with the use of heavy equipment, because such a brick pedestal cannot be turned over by hand. The “hat” with a feather, the symbol of the Alpine shooters, has disappeared, there are rumors that it was drowned in the Don.

Vandalism? I don't think.

This building had a plaque that read "From the tragic past through the friendly present to the future of fraternal cooperation." In the light of a bunch of sanctions approved and supported by Italy, in the light of arms supplies to Ukraine, it looks so-so.

As I understand it, everything happened in the wake of normal patriotism.

After all, similar things happen in many countries. But there they destroy monuments to those who liberated these countries from fascism, but in our country it is the other way around.

I will take a short tour of history.

This building was erected in 2003 (slightly short of the round date) by the Italian descendants of the Nazis who fought on our land.


In 2013, a scandal erupted when it turned out that the Italians had laid the remains at the base of the structure, picked up in the Rossosh fields and presumably belonging to the Italian. Everything is written on the water with a pitchfork, but the descendants of the unfortunate warriors treated this with great respect.

The bones were removed from the building, but the reverence of the Italians remained.

And here is the proper ending.


Now the Rossosh police will puzzle over what to do, because the administration of Rossosh wrote a statement, because the building was entered in the register of city property. It is clear that they will go after the most active patriots of the city, starting with the irreconcilable fighter against the fascist legacy, Nikolai Savchenko. I am sure, however, that Savchenko is in full order and this case will not be hanged on him. Yes, and they don’t fight with “memorials” at night at that age, as it were.

In general, everything is fine in Rossosh on the one hand, albeit not by the most beautiful method, but denazification has been carried out.

By the way, as some media howled, it was not a monument. And they didn't desecrate it. It was a "commemorative sign", and the star on it had nothing to do with our red star. It is enough to look at the photo of the times of the Great Patriotic War and understand that the building has an Italian hat and an Italian star.


Separately, I express the hope that the Rossosh authorities will not dig the ground very furiously in search of the guilty. After they so zealously defended the "Hat", or as the local patriots called it after the discovery of the bones, "a monument to an unknown fascist", it will look very ambiguous.

And does it make sense? Morozov, the chief lawyer of the Italians in Rossosh, left his post forever, free trips to Italy are definitely not expected in the near future, so why make a fuss?

A place in the park can be used differently. For example, to erect a monument there to the children who died at the hands of the Italians in the Rossosh concentration camps, where the brave warriors from distant Italy demonstrated "love" for the Russian population. Documents confirming this, the locals abound.

Yes, by the way, the same Nikolay Savchenko has more than one excellent project for arranging this square in a patriotic style. In place of the leaders of the district and the city, I would have overcome hostility and turned to him.

I am sure that such a monument would decorate the city. And the fascist past of Rossosh should be parted easily and naturally. Even by drowning in the Don. Europe won't help anymore...
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  1. +93
    April 17 2022 10: 22
    Any detail associated with fascism must be destroyed throughout the earth. Wherever it is. Otherwise, we will inevitably get what we have now in Ukraine.
  2. +90
    April 17 2022 10: 23
    The leadership of Rossosh are outright scoundrels and collaborators.
    I welcome anti-fascist vandalism.
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        1. -13
          April 17 2022 11: 42
          Your comment has raised a few questions:
          - are you from Rossosh?
          - they bark in the mayor's office and the prosecutor's office of Rossosh?
          - that kind person who demolished this obscenity has nothing to do with your words about gurgling?
          - how does barking affect attitudes towards fascism

          -been there
          -looks like visiting, if on the sly;
          -probably not to Italian fascism, but possibly to Ukrainian Nazism.
          1. +6
            April 17 2022 11: 52
            Quote: Konnick
            -probably not to Italian fascism, but possibly to Ukrainian Nazism.

            you have now smeared the Russian city.
            our fellow citizens living in it

            be ashamed of your behavior
            stupid and unworthy
            1. +6
              April 17 2022 11: 55
              you have now smeared the Russian city, our citizens

              And how not to smear, they smeared themselves with this monument, wait ... they will restore the monument. There, they treat their Ukrainian roots with great reverence, some defiantly demonstrate their accent. Hidden solidarity...
              1. 0
                April 17 2022 12: 05
                Quote: Konnick
                There, they treat their Ukrainian roots with great reverence, some defiantly demonstrate their accent. Hidden solidarity...

                and you blame all the locals because you were passing through there?

                a decent person would not act like that.

                I had a better opinion of you.
                1. +13
                  April 17 2022 12: 12
                  and you blame all the locals because you were passing through there?

                  I served nearby and if I saw a monument, I would vandalize it.
                  1. -5
                    April 17 2022 12: 33
                    Quote: Konnick
                    You won’t find such a giggling among the locals even in Ukraine.

                    Quote: Konnick
                    been there

                    Quote: Konnick
                    There, they treat their Ukrainian roots with great reverence, some defiantly demonstrate their accent. Hidden Solidarity

                    Quote: Konnick
                    I served alongside

                    I think you have already written enough
                    I'm in Voronezh recently
                    but i hate what you wrote
                    and it's a shame for the residents of the area

                    I thought that the limit of stupidity was to write that everyone living in Ukraine is the same
                    but i was wrong
                    1. -3
                      April 17 2022 12: 43
                      I thought that the limit of stupidity was to write that everyone living in Ukraine is the same

                      I didn't write like that and I don't think so. It's just that there are common features, like any other nation. It looks like I guessed right ... my hut is on the edge, I don’t know anything ... I’ll live in Voronezh
                      1. -1
                        April 17 2022 12: 50
                        Quote: Konnick
                        It looks like I guessed right ... my hut is on the edge, I don’t know anything ... I’ll live in Voronezh

                        what are you carrying?
                        another storm?
                        formulate your thoughts clearly and precisely
                        so as not to leave loopholes for yourself: "I had a different vision" and "I was misunderstood"
                        Have you already dubbed me a Ukrainian?
                        what did you guess there?
                        without jelly and fog
                      2. 0
                        April 17 2022 14: 53
                        It's just that there are common features, like any other nation.
                        Mein Kampf hit you in the head along the way ....
                2. +1
                  April 17 2022 12: 14
                  I had a better opinion of you

                  This is me. And you seem to be from Ukraine
                  1. +5
                    April 17 2022 12: 19
                    Quote: Konnick
                    This is me. And you seem to be from Ukraine

                    It's just that Navodlom has the right to criticize the authorities and orders in Russia, while the rest do not. laughing
                    1. -2
                      April 17 2022 13: 05
                      Quote: Vladimir_2U
                      It’s just that Navodlom has the right to criticize the authorities and orders in Russia, while the rest do not

                      criticize the authorities for health
                      but do not dirty ordinary citizens indiscriminately and indiscriminately
                      1. +8
                        April 17 2022 13: 16
                        but do not dirty ordinary citizens indiscriminately and indiscriminately

                        Ordinary citizens were silent, as in Ukraine, the silent majority ...
                      2. -5
                        April 17 2022 13: 23
                        Quote: Konnick
                        Ordinary citizens were silent, as in Ukraine, the silent majority

                        one Konnick clean

                        the rest are shit
                        were silent when the USSR collapsed
                        were silent when Medvedev shared the water area with Norway
                        silent when they receive a salary in an envelope

                        Do wings get in the way when you walk?
                        halo does not rub forehead?
                      3. +1
                        April 17 2022 14: 28
                        Do wings get in the way when you walk?
                        halo does not rub forehead?

                        Nothing interferes, probably did not notice. And you need to decide whether you are Russian or Ukrainian ...
                      4. -11
                        April 17 2022 16: 52
                        Quote: Konnick
                        Nothing interferes, probably did not notice. And you need to decide whether you are Russian or Ukrainian.

                        stop fidgeting, dumbass
                        got it already
                      5. +7
                        April 17 2022 17: 08
                        You need to decide whether you are Russian or Ukrainian ...

                        I'll tell you. hi Commentator Navodlom - Moldovan. laughing
                      6. +1
                        April 17 2022 19: 08
                        Thank you)
                        Palindrome, obviously.
                      7. 0
                        April 19 2022 09: 39
                        Quote: Konnick
                        Thank you)
                        Palindrome, obviously.

                        You better understand how to behave.
                        A palindrome is something else.
                      8. 0
                        April 17 2022 22: 36
                        Quote: Mikhail Sidorov
                        Commentator Navodlom - Moldovan

                        funny how hard it is to guess
                        obviously
                        and Moldovans, on the contrary, in both senses
                        Russian Moldovan
                  2. +1
                    April 17 2022 13: 03
                    Quote: Konnick
                    This is me. And you seem to be from Ukraine

                    there were already such a couple of people who honored me with a Khokhl and a Ukrainian
                    because I thought differently than they
                    it's convenient - argue with me? Ukrainian!

                    this filthy manner - to stigmatize according to the principle "you are so-and-so, just do not agree with me"
                    not from a great mind and high morality
                    1. +4
                      April 17 2022 13: 23
                      not from a great mind and high morality

                      And I do not position myself as highly moral and intelligent, an ordinary untermensch, a "commie". I don’t even divide people into smart and fools, moral and immoral, I divide people into good and evil, disinterested and envious ... A simple village grandmother can be much more intelligent than a professor who boasts of his knowledge, and even more so Natsiks who offer to sell themselves for a jar of jam and a bag of cookies...
                      I have a heightened sense of justice
                      1. -3
                        April 17 2022 13: 25
                        Quote: Konnick
                        I divide people into good and evil, disinterested and envious.

                        the problem is not what you share
                        the problem is how you do it
      2. +2
        April 17 2022 12: 27
        You won’t find such a giggling among the locals even in Ukraine.
        I will give you a device for measuring skulls.
        1. +3
          April 17 2022 12: 30
          I will give you a device for measuring skulls

          Have you been keeping it for a long time? What were they saving for?
          1. 0
            April 17 2022 13: 18
            What were they saving for?
            Such "keepers" of the purity of the language as you.
            1. -3
              April 17 2022 13: 48
              Such "keepers" of the purity of the language as you.

              Remove quotes ... I love correct speech and literacy
              1. Aag
                0
                April 21 2022 14: 56
                Quote: Konnick
                Such "keepers" of the purity of the language as you.

                Remove quotes ... I love correct speech and literacy

                Excuse me, but what about the rules of the Russian language, including without quotes (quoting, for example)?
                In general, guys: Break! We disperse in the corners, and we think - why is the division of the People, the peoples of the former Union so successfully taking place? By territorial, national, social? Isn't this the goal of our common enemies? Pay attention to the changed rhetoric, the degree of respect, the manner of communication, the increased hostility towards the forum participants. Without obvious reasons, people are written down as ... anyone, - up to enemies, without understanding - enemies of what, and whom ... Let's be, at least, more prudent, calmer, mutually respectful?! (Frank opponents of the interests of our People, Country - are not often found here. Doubters - it is worth convincing, IMHO; opponents - to crush facts. Transition to personalities is a direct path to neo-Euro -Ukro-Nazism) ...
                hi
    2. avg
      +19
      April 17 2022 11: 43
      Quote: Flood
      The leadership of Rossosh are outright scoundrels and collaborators.
      I welcome anti-fascist vandalism.

      It's time to denazify the leadership together with the prosecutor's office. In general, prosecutors have developed an interesting tactic of not responding to requests and hushing up everything that the local leadership does not like.
      1. -12
        April 17 2022 11: 51
        We begin to bring down monuments, we call on the administration to "luster" ...
        Where have I seen this before...
        It is necessary to fight with such things by the state. At the legislative level. And not to arrange partisanism and anonymous "people's will".
        1. +14
          April 17 2022 11: 54
          Quote: ian
          Monuments are starting to fall

          mind you, alien and alien to us monuments
          monuments to aggressors and invaders
          they have no place on our earth
          1. -12
            April 17 2022 12: 06
            Quote: Flood
            mind you, alien and alien to us monuments
            monuments to aggressors and invaders
            they have no place on our earth

            That's right!
            It is with these words that the "devilers and seers" speak at rallies before the demolition of monuments to Soviet soldiers on their land ....
            "You are on the right path, comrades!" IN AND. Lenin....
            1. +13
              April 17 2022 12: 20
              It is with these words that the "devilers and seers" speak at rallies before the demolition of monuments to Soviet soldiers on their land ....

              Cretins from Ukraine are demolishing monuments to their grandfathers and great-grandfathers who died during the liberation of Ukraine. It turns out somewhat different .... Do not cast a shadow on the wattle fence ...
              1. -6
                April 17 2022 12: 37
                And the cretins from Poland, the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Germany? According to your logic, they can? I don't suggest. I compare and draw analogies of actions and motives.
                1. +6
                  April 17 2022 13: 19
                  And the cretins from Poland, the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Germany? According to your logic, they can

                  You do not attribute your logic to me, but rather explain yours. I answered you about Ukraine. As for Germany and other liberated countries, for me the concepts of good and evil in the war with them are absolutely clear - where is darkness and where is light. They are pulled back into darkness.
                  And questions about our monuments on their land, so you compare the incomparable. Raising questions that are not subject to discussion in my opinion.
                  1. -3
                    April 17 2022 13: 37
                    Quote: Mikhail Sidorov
                    You do not attribute your logic to me, but rather explain yours. I answered you about Ukraine.

                    I didn't ask you about Ukraine. Are you hooked on the words "diyach"? So in Polish it will sound the same.
                    What exactly in my logic is not clear and requires clarification for you?
                    1. +11
                      April 17 2022 15: 16
                      I compare and draw analogies of actions and motives.

                      It seemed to me that you are comparing the demolition of the monument in Rossosh and the demolition of monuments in Poland. Maybe I'm wrong hi but it is impossible to compare. The Italians carried robberies, violence and death, and our soldier returned statehood to Poland, grew territory at the expense of our soldiers. In the hungry post-war years, thousands of tons of food were supplied to Poland. And grateful Polish descendants are demolishing monuments.
                      1. -11
                        April 17 2022 15: 51
                        The "Polish descendants", as well as other "young Europeans" for the last 35 years, have a different interpretation of the actions of the Soviet army. And at the state level. And for them, the truth is what they go through in their school today, not what you went through. In their own eyes, they are honest and right. Again same "vsemirznami." And the demolition of the monument in Rossosh, by the way, is an additional legalization of their actions in relation to the Soviet ones. "You are ours, we are yours." 10 years will pass, and the srach "who started it first" will still stir up the Internet :).
                        And no one ever remembers who got what from whom. Man is so arranged. Remembers only evil. Goodness is a matter of course.
                      2. +8
                        April 17 2022 21: 50
                        Quote: ian
                        And the demolition of the monument in Rossosh, by the way, is an additional legalization of their actions in relation to the Soviet ones.

                        Your logic is interesting though. That is, in your opinion, in order for them to erect a monument to our Stalin there, we must erect a monument to their Hitler here? So?
                        Or have I misunderstood something?
                      3. -2
                        April 17 2022 22: 00
                        In my? What a wonderful logic chain you have smile
                        Could you share how you can use it to get from the Europeans justifying the demolition of monuments to Soviet military personnel to the obligation to erect a monument to Hitler in Russia? request
                      4. +9
                        April 17 2022 22: 40
                        Quote: ian
                        What a wonderful logic chain you have

                        I have?!
                        I'm trying to understand your - "chain".
                        Is it not you who say that if we demolish monuments to the fascists, then the Europeans will have the right to demolish the monuments to ANTI-fascists ... WHAT did I misunderstand?
                        For me personally - (and I'm sure I'm not alone in my opinion) -
                        installation of monuments to the Nazis (and those who fought on the side
                        fascists) - is equated to the installation of a monument to Hitler. Here is the dot.
                        You are AGAINST demolishing monuments to the Nazis, because: ah-ah-ah, because then the Europeans will demolish Soviet monuments, and they will be right (well, that is, in your opinion, right).
                        And the example with the monument to Hitler - this is for clarity - to make it clearer what is actually hiding behind your verbal husk.
                      5. -4
                        April 17 2022 22: 59
                        You don't try. You immediately approve.
                        Quote: Zamira
                        Isn't it you who say that if we demolish monuments to fascists, then Europeans will have the right to demolish monuments to ANTI-fascists ...

                        Not me. I argued that condoning the demolition of monuments in our country can indirectly justify the Europeans in the demolition of monuments to Soviet military personnel.
                        Quote: Zamira
                        For me personally - (and I'm sure I'm not alone in my opinion) -
                        installation of monuments to the Nazis (and those who fought on the side
                        fascists) - is equated to the installation of a monument to Hitler.
                        Present your claims to our government, not to me. It was it that gave permission for the construction of monuments to Italians, Hungarians, Spaniards and other Europeans who died in the USSR and in particular on the territory of the Russian Federation.
                        Quote: Zamira
                        You are AGAINST demolishing monuments to the Nazis

                        Why do you think so? Read my comments in this thread. I am against partisanship. This is a matter of state and state policy.
                        Quote: Zamira
                        after all, then the Europeans will demolish Soviet monuments, and they will be right (well, that is, in your opinion, right).

                        I never expressed such an opinion anywhere, you dreamed or you are deliberately lying.
                        Quote: Zamira
                        And the example with the monument to Hitler is for clarity

                        No. This is pulling an owl on a globe. With such a "light female lie" you tried to give a perverted meaning to my words smile
                        All the best to you. Goodnight love
                      6. +2
                        April 17 2022 23: 15
                        Quote: ian
                        Quote: Zamira
                        Isn't it you who say that if we demolish monuments to fascists, then Europeans will have the right to demolish monuments to ANTI-fascists ...

                        Not me. I argued that condoning the demolition of monuments in our country can indirectly justify the Europeans in the demolition of monuments to Soviet military personnel.

                        Damn... This is from the series: "Find 10 differences." I don't find it here.
                        Is that the word "indirectly". But the essence does not change - at least indirectly, at least directly. If it’s quite simple, then: “The same horseradish, only a side view.”)
                        Quote: ian
                        All the best to you. Goodnight

                        Have a nice one you too.
                      7. -4
                        April 17 2022 23: 49
                        [quote = Zamira] The same shit, only a side view.") [/ quote You don't see the difference between the words "right" and "justification". I'm sorry. Well, at least you understand shit hi
            2. 0
              April 17 2022 12: 28
              Quote: ian
              It is with these words that the "devilers and seers" speak at rallies before the demolition of monuments to Soviet soldiers on their land ..

              I understood that my words can be turned and thus

              this is surprising, but the most anti-human propaganda can resort to quite human and seemingly normal concepts

              you are right that the liberators in the West are now branded as occupiers

              and you are right that if you take their side, then the difference seems to disappear between the demolition of monuments to the liberators and the demolition of monuments to the invaders

              but the fact is that to accept their truth is to betray the memory of our grandfathers
              1. -6
                April 17 2022 12: 46
                Quote: Flood
                I understood that my words can be turned and thus

                It's a shame that after all, you don't have to turn anything. The words are the same.
                You just need to soberly assess what is happening and avoid clichés like "their vile spies and our noble intelligence officers." Stamps and thoughtless slogans work for the crowd and build up a reputation on VO. soldier
                1. +2
                  April 17 2022 12: 54
                  Quote: ian
                  It's a shame that after all, you don't have to turn anything. The words are the same

                  different meanings
                  it's like Victory for the grandson of a Soviet veteran
                  and a victory for the French shopkeeper's grandson

                  the word is the same
                  you're right
                  and meanings and feelings are completely different from each other
                  1. -4
                    April 17 2022 14: 18
                    And the monument to the deceased grandfather for "for the grandson of a Soviet veteran and for the grandson of a French shopkeeper" also sounds differently? We condemn the demolition of "our" monuments, but welcome "not ours"? Don't you think that such logic somehow smells familiar?
                    By the way, "grandchildren of Soviet veterans" are now being handed over in batches to other grandchildren in Mariupol. And they shit on monuments all over Europe. And they also think they are right.
                    So it's all a matter of ideology. Including your slogans.
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                      1. -4
                        April 17 2022 17: 06
                        I am polite and cannot afford rudeness even in relation to those who deserve it.
                        Quote: Flood
                        for the words about "my slogans", a word, I would stick it in a tambourine.

                        I thought I was talking to an adult ... With no less pleasure in response, I would have corrected the sound unit to the brave Internet soldier. Perhaps this would teach politeness, wean from demagoguery and leavened patriotism.
                        But alas. None of the "be afraid and wait, I figured you out by IP!!!!" until he reached me ... Some empty threats ....
                      2. -1
                        April 17 2022 17: 10
                        Quote: ian
                        I am polite and cannot afford rudeness even towards those who deserve it.

                        then do not rush rash words-stamps
                        especially on sensitive topics.

                        Quote: ian
                        I thought I was talking to an adult.

                        what are you right
                        practice while on me

                        Quote: ian
                        With no less pleasure, in response, I would have corrected the sound unit to the brave Internet soldier.

                        do you understand ian
                        you took the liberty
                        but I didn't hold back
                        because how to write that my words about the memory of the soldiers-liberators are slogans, only a person who needs to straighten his brains a little can

                        and I wrote it in the subjunctive mood, understanding the format of communication
                        but at the same time considering it necessary to make it clear to the opponent so that he pulls himself together

                        Quote: ian
                        Perhaps this would teach politeness, wean from demagoguery and leavened patriotism.

                        that is why you were awarded harsh words
                        for the manner of stigmatizing for the inability to adequately discuss
                        which is essentially a form of demagoguery
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                      4. -3
                        April 17 2022 17: 25
                        Can you tell me where and what kind of "brands" I made? Unlike you, by the way. Or did you drag it in for a red word? wink
                        You again confuse concepts. What seems to you to be your "ability to discuss worthily" sounds like "to a tambourine" and is rudeness. Well, the inability to understand someone else's point of view and the transition to personalities is not the first time that characterizes you accordingly.
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                      7. -2
                        April 17 2022 18: 00
                        Quote: ian
                        The words you have specified are the definition of your predictable and formulaic statements.

                        That is, you confessed to what I accused you of.
                        Albeit in a slightly extravagant way.
                        "I'm to blame, but not all"

                        Quote: ian
                        Your slogans are cheap demagoguery and leavened patriotism.

                        thank you, this is redundant.
                        the doctor has already diagnosed
                      8. 0
                        April 17 2022 18: 03
                        Quote: Flood
                        the doctor has already diagnosed

                        Logoroic
                      9. -2
                        April 17 2022 18: 10
                        liam,
                        your support of any colleague will be a disservice.
                        Don't drown a drowning man.
                      10. -3
                        April 17 2022 17: 55
                        Quote: ian
                        Well, the inability to understand someone else's point of view and the transition to personalities is not the first time that characterizes you accordingly.

                        it's great
                        self-judgment
                        you, my dear ian, in what particular place "understood someone else's point of view"?
                        Are you not scolding me for what you yourself noted?

                        and since when does the discussion presuppose "understanding someone else's point of view"?
                        Are you writing this seriously or for the number of letters?

                        and what does your "not the first time" mean?
                        after all, as a person responsible for your words, it will not be difficult for you to explain to an honest public what you meant?

                        Apparently, there was some other case that compromised me?
                        do me a favor - write which one.
                        otherwise, it will be perceived as another confirmation of your manner of branding and sculpting stamps.
                      11. 0
                        April 17 2022 19: 36
                        Quote: ian
                        Can you tell me where and what kind of "brands" I made?

                        repeat
                        instead of deleted comment

                        Quote: ian
                        So it's all a matter of ideology. Including your slogans.

                        Quote: ian
                        Perhaps this would teach politeness, wean from demagoguery and leavened patriotism.

                        "your slogans"
                        "demagogy"
                        "sweet patriotism"

                        the most stigma
                        or, if you like, labels
                      12. -3
                        April 17 2022 19: 51
                        Probably even the moderators got tired of your itching. Be known as a fluder lol Get over it.
                      13. 0
                        April 17 2022 19: 56
                        Quote: ian
                        Probably even the moderators got tired of your itching. Be known as a fluder

                        let's count who and what tired.
                        one of my deleted comments against your two.
                        at least in the small be honest - 1

                        PS
                        my comment was deleted due to someone's complaint about the "puddle"
                        what does "itching" and "flood" have to do with it?
                        Or do you look better from that angle?
                        at least in the small be honest - 2

                      14. -3
                        April 17 2022 19: 59
                        Have you already calculated? I didn't even notice. It kind of doesn't interest me. As well as you. hi
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                      17. +1
                        April 18 2022 08: 43
                        Removed my comment again.
                        Someone persistently complains.
                        Do not blame me.

                        Quote: ian
                        Have you already calculated? I didn't even notice.

                        It's hard not to notice deleted comments and count to three.

                        Quote: ian
                        It kind of doesn't interest me. As well as you.

                        You spend half a day trying your best to prove it to me.

                        "Man, wait!
                        I can't catch up with you!
                        I ran after you to tell you that I'm not interested in you!"

                        PS
                        Moderator who deleted a similar comment, take the trouble to explain which VO Rule I am violating.
                    2. +1
                      April 18 2022 08: 52
                      Who is crying and complaining?
                      Instead of a deleted comment.

                      Quote: ian
                      the monument to the deceased grandfather for "for the grandson of a Soviet veteran and for the grandson of a French shopkeeper" also sounds different? We condemn the demolition of "our" monuments, but welcome "not ours"?

                      Ugly unhealthy logic.
                      Smelling of collaborationism.
                      The answers are all in sight.
                      And a clear healthy mind does not need to be explained.
                      That the monuments are different.
                      And memory is different.

                      The descendants of Wehrmacht soldiers would explain this to you best of all.
                      Who secretly hide their memory and do not show it openly.
                      Because she's shameful.
                      The memory of the grandfathers-invaders and rapists.
          2. +2
            April 17 2022 14: 56
            mind you, alien and alien to us monuments
            YeltsinCenter to go demolish, weak?
            1. -2
              April 17 2022 16: 53
              Quote: 72jora72
              YeltsinCenter to go demolish, weak?

              do not ask provocative questions
              it is society that decides, not one citizen
            2. -4
              April 17 2022 17: 09
              He has no time. He posts patriotic comments.
          3. Aag
            0
            April 21 2022 15: 41
            Quote: Flood
            Quote: ian
            Monuments are starting to fall

            mind you, alien and alien to us monuments
            monuments to aggressors and invaders
            they have no place on our earth

            Beautiful, correct words. In isolation from the text of the comment on which it is written, everything is correct.
            Only, - it seems (I hope), ian, meant something else (also on emotions), namely: why the authorities, the administration, legislators
            didn’t react in a timely manner?! (Damn, - it’s not funny, - Matvienko was suddenly surprised that the nails were Chinese !! - where did they look, what did they do?! ...) ... Why are the laws in force, sometimes, contrary to common sense, the interests of society, the population, citizens (so far the majority) of the Russian Federation?
            After all, your opponent is not protecting the "monument", but is indignant at the laws that protect him ("monument"). This is approximately the same as at the customs of the Russian Federation with the LNR, DNR - customs officers become either patriots (and, - violators of the Law), or honestly, according to the law, do their job (pass for freaks) .... Such an alternative is normal in our legislation .. .Moreover, in many areas, areas ...
            Everyone (by the way, - not all yet - there are a lot of "non-evacuated" people in the former Soviet Union) live here! Let's get together somehow, huh?
        2. +3
          April 17 2022 12: 01
          Quote: ian
          It is necessary to fight with such things by the state. At the legislative level. And not to arrange partisanism and anonymous "people's will".

          Yes, you need to fight in the state.
          But government officials are not good enough to ignore the people's will.
        3. 0
          April 17 2022 13: 52
          The enemy of the people, Chubais, was released. This is a struggle, sweat is already pouring, as we are fighting at the state level.
      2. +6
        April 17 2022 12: 29
        In light of what is happening in Poland, it is time to close the Polish part of the memorial in Smolensk.
    3. +5
      April 17 2022 11: 51
      Quote: Flood
      The leadership of Rossosh are outright scoundrels and collaborators.

      Never knew that in the center of Russia there could be a monument to the Nazis
      1. +7
        April 17 2022 12: 09
        And you be curious. There are dozens of such memorials. Italians, Hungarians, Spaniards....
        1. +5
          April 17 2022 13: 57
          Quote: ian
          Italians, Hungarians, Spaniards....

          Also Czechs, their mother by the leg.
          1. -1
            April 17 2022 14: 12
            And the British, French, Germans .... Everyone is lying here, who came. Their countries have equipped them with monuments and graves, this is their right. Russia respects him. The fact that Soviet monuments are desecrated in other countries is sad and condemnable. But this does not give us the right to vandalize others. IMHO.
    4. 0
      April 17 2022 12: 56
      Quote: Flood
      I welcome anti-fascist vandalism.

      You explain this to the prosecutor's office and the police and legislators .. Now they will search, find and punish - strictly according to the law, Russian law. We have no other laws. what hi
      1. +3
        April 17 2022 13: 38
        Quote: fa2998
        Now they will search, find and punish - strictly according to the law, the Russian law. We have no other laws

        Unless the compliancy of the local authorities who gave permission for the installation is recognized as illegal and antisocial.
        1. -1
          April 17 2022 20: 40
          Dear Vladimir, BEFORE our security and law enforcement services did not react to the actions of local authorities, ??
          Do we have the Makhnovshchina or the rule of law? Can you find an article in the Criminal Code and terms of imprisonment for the destruction of "monuments"? Why are our authorities always late? hi
          1. +1
            April 17 2022 21: 24
            Quote: fa2998
            Dear Vladimir, BEFORE our security and law enforcement services did not react to the actions of local authorities, ??

            I'm sorry, I don't see your name in the mobile version of VO.
            times change.
            and in the spirit of these changes, the actions of the authorities are changing.
    5. +1
      April 17 2022 13: 34
      Quote: Flood
      The leadership of Rossosh are outright scoundrels and collaborators.
      Anti-fascist vandalism welcome

      Smolensk region Dukhovshchina German cemetery, still standing
      1. Egg
        +6
        April 17 2022 18: 41
        Quote: carpenter
        Smolensk region Dukhovshchina German cemetery, still standing

        This cemetery may well serve our purposes, it is enough to hang a sign at the entrance: "Here lie those who came with a sword to our land. And so it will be with everyone!"
        and this cemetery will become a monument, a symbol of our victory.
        You need to properly arrange such places and everything will immediately fall into place. hi
        and I consider it right to demolish signs of memory like this in Rossosh, this is not a grave, this is a symbol, and such a symbol has no place on our earth!
        And the local administration clings to it because it gives the right to ride at a budget expense to Italy, for free ... everywhere purely selfish interest and nothing more, to drive it in full force.
    6. +1
      April 17 2022 13: 47
      Another question. Have they imprisoned anyone for treason? Or again, sabotage and wrecking will be carried out in feeding places. Where are SMERSH and the NKVD, if nothing works properly.
      1. +1
        April 19 2022 09: 29
        Again I ask: Now you understand why "37 years" happened?
    7. +1
      April 19 2022 09: 28
      A place in the park can be used differently. For example, to erect a monument there to the children who died at the hands of the Italians in the Rossosh concentration camps, where the brave warriors from distant Italy demonstrated "love" for the Russian population. Documents confirming this, the locals abound.
      They will not erect a monument to tortured children. From him, an official, he will not have a profit, and the Western patron will not pat him on the cheek and say Good.
  3. +16
    April 17 2022 10: 23
    And around it are invisible, but deep defense trenches dug by local officials.

    And so, on the night of April 15, someone's patience snapped.
    Alas, partisanship. I'm for it, but it's time for officials to leave their chairs for such things. It is not the letter that must work, but the spirit! angry And references to instructions should not excuse actions to the detriment of national interests.
    1. +13
      April 17 2022 10: 41
      And not just leave, but change these chairs in cozy offices for bunk beds in the camp barracks.
    2. +10
      April 17 2022 11: 33
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      I'm for it, but it's time for officials to leave their chairs for such things.

      Criminal Code of the Russian Federation Article 354.1. Nazism Rehabilitation
      (introduced by the Federal Law from 05.05.2014 N 128-FZ)
      up to 3 years in total.
      But ...
      The "strictness" of Russian laws is offset by the non-binding nature of their enforcement. wink
      1. +2
        April 17 2022 13: 39
        Quote: Sovetskiy
        Criminal Code of the Russian Federation Article 354.1. Nazism Rehabilitation
        (introduced by the Federal Law from 05.05.2014 N 128-FZ)
        up to 3 years in total.

        What is it like?
      2. Alf
        0
        April 17 2022 20: 30
        Quote: Sovetskiy
        The "strictness" of Russian laws is offset by the non-binding nature of their enforcement.

        And selectivity-quod licet iovi non licet bovi.
  4. +20
    April 17 2022 10: 25
    This is very good. We must now unpick all the Polish monuments near Smolensk.
    1. +16
      April 17 2022 10: 34
      Quote: Poetiszaugla
      We must now unpick all the Polish monuments near Smolensk.

      And there are monuments or tombstones over the graves. If over the graves, then do not touch. We don't mock the dead. Yes, and maybe there are graves of Poles who fought in the Soviet army. (Honestly, I don't know) If the monuments, commemorative signs separately - unequivocally demolish.
  5. +10
    April 17 2022 10: 26
    Great news!
    Separately, I express the hope that the Rossosh authorities will not dig the ground very furiously in search of the guilty.

    In light of the recently adopted decree on liability for identification....the authorities will think about it and will not raise a fuss.
    But for children to make a patriotic corner is very good. There would be a desire.
  6. +19
    April 17 2022 10: 26
    Look at Poland, the Czech Republic ... they are demolishing monuments to our soldiers at the state level! I guess in Rossosh no one was upset about the demolition of the monument to the Nazis!
  7. +20
    April 17 2022 10: 27
    It is high time, and in the current situation and Italy's attitude towards Russia, this is generally inevitable. These ungrateful pigs (remember help with covid) do not deserve commemorative signs on our land.
    1. +6
      April 17 2022 11: 55
      Quote: Leshak
      and in the current situation

      Banned our ships from entering their ports
  8. +10
    April 17 2022 10: 28
    When monuments are erected on the Mediterranean "boot" to Soviet soldiers who carried out the general defascistification of Europe and indirectly Italy, then one could talk about "From the tragic past through the friendly present to the future of fraternal cooperation." And so these are all the results of "kisses" with "dear sir and friend" S. Berlusconi
  9. +21
    April 17 2022 10: 30
    Let this fascist cell represented by the administration of Rossosh and local prosecutors go through purge and denazification. Obviously, there was not without a "plate of pasta" and a "jug of wine." By the way, the relatives of those who gave the go-ahead to this filthy business (there are any papers signed by these accomplices), check for the presence of Italian real estate. What liberalism leads to in such matters, we can see on the example of the Baltic states and Ukraine.
    1. Alf
      +1
      April 17 2022 20: 32
      Quote: Emergency
      By the way, the relatives of those who gave the green light to this filthy business (there are any papers signed by these accomplices), check for the presence of Italian real estate.

      And this is not their real estate, it all belongs to the Bug ...
  10. +6
    April 17 2022 10: 30
    there is a cemetery, there is a place, the authorities do not have the right to "initiative"., if they have not forgotten which country they serve.
  11. +9
    April 17 2022 10: 32
    It would be necessary to raze the Polish monuments in Katyn to the ground and plant everything with birches!
    1. +4
      April 17 2022 10: 46
      Well, you don’t need to make crosses, God bless them already, but a memorial sign must be put up and historical justice restored, telling who actually shot these Poles. Stop being blameless.
  12. +13
    April 17 2022 10: 34
    For good, the administration of Rossosh would be to the nail, for this crap put in the city ...
    1. +2
      April 17 2022 15: 48
      I have a vague suspicion that the local authorities themselves failed. They sensed that, in the light of recent events, they might not be childish for their connection with the Nazis, and thus decided to quickly hush up the matter.
  13. +4
    April 17 2022 10: 48
    Italy forbade Russian ships to enter their ports, an unknown patriot filled up a monument, a little unequal, but still bread.
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  14. +10
    April 17 2022 10: 51
    The state apparatus of our country is full of pro-fascist officials. First, it was necessary to carry out a purge at home, and then carry out denazification on the outskirts.
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    1. +1
      April 17 2022 13: 59
      We didn’t give permission. Nobody listens or hears us for a long time.
      1. Alf
        +1
        April 17 2022 20: 33
        Quote: Taimen
        We didn’t give permission. Nobody listens or hears us for a long time.

        Load a cruiser of the XNUMXst rank, and find Belyshev.
  16. +8
    April 17 2022 11: 09
    It is necessary to denazify first those who gave the go-ahead for the installation. Local collaborators remained in their places.
  17. +7
    April 17 2022 11: 10
    And so, on the night of April 15, someone's patience snapped.

    We are waiting for the patience of the inhabitants of those cities and towns where there are monuments to Czechs and Poles to burst.
  18. +8
    April 17 2022 11: 11
    We will soon find out where the opponents of Nazism are being fought more actively and ruthlessly: in Ukraine or in Rossosh? For some reason, it seems to me that the Russian FSB, the prosecutor's office and the police will more zealously identify and punish anti-fascists in Rossosh than Ukrainian ones do.
  19. +6
    April 17 2022 11: 12
    Dear Roman, here we are pleased, so pleased! Please keep the situation under control, our glorious prosecutor's office is not dependent, very often, on the laws of the Russian Federation and on common sense. What they will mold in the protests - no one knows. Maybe they will take it under special control and will hear the Ministry of Internal Affairs for a whole year every month about the work to uncover this "crime", which "received a great public outcry." Boys and girls in blue uniforms are forced people. If some great leader of them decides that it is necessary to dig from him until lunchtime, it will be so, and if the great leader decides, we are "three monkeys", all prosecutors will live for a long time according to the principle: "I see nothing, I see nothing I hear, I won't tell anyone
  20. +9
    April 17 2022 11: 16
    The fact that in Italy is the norm and patriotism, supported by the elite at their own expense, in Russian society is the heroism of a loner. Who the police are looking for.
    The degradation of modern society has reached "all the way." I wonder how Italians imagine Russians?
  21. AB
    +11
    April 17 2022 11: 21
    This building was delivered in 2003

    Of course, the administration of Rossosh should be given a hat or a hat with a ban on holding leadership positions, but there is another question. Where did the local Prosecutor's Office and the Investigative Committee look interesting for 19 years? Maybe local officials from these departments also rode for free in sunny Italy? It's time for the Prosecutor General's Office to have its say.
    1. Alf
      +1
      April 17 2022 20: 35
      Quote: AB
      Where did the local Prosecutor's Office and the Investigative Committee look interesting for 19 years? Maybe local officials from these departments also rode for free in sunny Italy? It's time for the Prosecutor General's Office to have its say.

      I won’t be surprised if representatives of the local prosecutor’s office and the Investigative Committee and the General met there ...
  22. +8
    April 17 2022 11: 23
    There he is dear, this "monument". Now, if only to clean up the city from the White Guard bastards ...
  23. +14
    April 17 2022 11: 24
    Thanks to whoever made this...
  24. +3
    April 17 2022 11: 27
    The bad thing is that all this could have been done by laying down a logical, legal basis based on the laws of both the federal level and the decisions of local elected bodies. At the same time, and see who was chosen and who was given the authority to protect our interests on their behalf.
  25. sen
    +4
    April 17 2022 11: 33
    The monument to the Nazis in Rossosh was still denazified

    The monument is metal, handed over for scrap.
  26. +10
    April 17 2022 11: 45
    Along the way, the administration itself needs to be denazified.
  27. +5
    April 17 2022 11: 45
    execute those who covered this fascist monument - for their own sake - ride around Italy and receive buns from it - people's reprimand - a terrible thing - surnames in the studio
  28. +1
    April 17 2022 11: 46
    leaders of the district-lustration
  29. +6
    April 17 2022 11: 54
    I am always surprised when I find out that similar monuments, somewhere else, stand or hang on the walls of buildings. And nearby live people who love and are proud of their country and the history of the country. Why you can’t walk nearby in the evening with a sledgehammer or a tractor... laughing
  30. +8
    April 17 2022 12: 15
    The full names of those who "covered" this creation should be made public, checked for trips to Italy and for receiving dough from the Italians - if they are clean and only morally supported (or having power forbade or somehow contributed) - people's censure - and if there is a trip to Italy or extra money-prison, can you imagine if God forbid the fascists would be here again, what would they do, put on the police bandages correctly.
  31. -7
    April 17 2022 12: 20
    If I had stood at the burial site. Let him stand, history cannot be changed. If outside the graves, they could be transferred there. After all, many of them were sent by force, I don’t believe that they were rabid Nazis. Where are the Austrians-Nazis, and where are the Hungarians-Gypsies.
    1. +5
      April 17 2022 12: 50
      Let them erect monuments to "innocent fascists", the people have said their word!
    2. +4
      April 17 2022 13: 01
      After all, many of them were sent by force, I don’t believe that they were rabid Nazis

      ... A young native of Naples!
      What left you in Russia on the field?
      Why couldn't you be happy
      Above the native famous bay?...
      ... Not! you were brought in a train
      To capture distant colonies ... (M. Svetlov. Italian.)
      I remembered ...
      1. +3
        April 17 2022 13: 55
        The front-line grandfather told how, near Stalingrad, Italian intelligence completely, including children, cut out the farm, but our pursuit was already on their trail ...
  32. +2
    April 17 2022 12: 31
    No need to drown in the Don, desecrate the river, gouge the dust and patch up potholes on the roads
  33. +4
    April 17 2022 12: 52
    Rubbish bureaucratic in the field to clean and clean. I do not mind, even in the spirit of the notorious 37th.
    1. +6
      April 17 2022 14: 04
      So I.V. Stalin is not held in high esteem by the current ones. They are still afraid of him.
  34. -1
    April 17 2022 12: 52
    The anomalies of humanity, the enemies of the communists who seized the USSR, have nothing good either FOR themselves or FOR their country and people.
    Therefore, they have such an inadequate ideology. For 30 years they have been selflessly "sucking" everything that the Bolsheviks-communists and their supporters did, how they worked and fought, and are afraid to discuss what they themselves did.
    They are automatically FOR those who were against the Bolshevik-Communists, and they do not care what they were.
  35. +6
    April 17 2022 13: 20
    It is high time. Now the question is; the responsibility of local authorities, or again blah blah blah ... in the name of friendship. Italy closed its ports to our ships, Italy joined the sanctions, and so on.
  36. +2
    April 17 2022 13: 42
    Well, thank God.
  37. +8
    April 17 2022 13: 42
    If only a memorial to the Hungarian fascists had been knocked down nearby, it would have been very good ... Otherwise, somehow it doesn’t work out well: my grandfather fought with them in 1944, my father in 1956, and I am silent
    1. 0
      April 26 2022 12: 50
      In Krasnodar, there is also one near the fence of the garbage company.
  38. +4
    April 17 2022 13: 49
    I consider this not vandalism, but the restoration of historical justice - it is not appropriate to erect monuments to foreigners who came to our land with fire and sword, we must also denazify the monuments to white Czechs.
  39. +5
    April 17 2022 14: 11
    Monuments to Soviet soldiers-liberators of Europe from German Nazism and Italian
    fascism are a symbol of the struggle of all mankind against the Nazis and fascists. And this is enshrined in the protocols of the Nuremberg Court. Those. demolishing monuments to the fighters against Nazism and fascism, the countries, as it were, reject the fixed results of the Second World War and begin the restoration of Nazism. And they promote, apparently, revenge. So, it is incorrect to compare the demolition of monuments to Soviet soldiers and fascist warriors. Least. If the monument to the participants of the Great Patriotic War of 1941-45 were demolished in Rossosh it would be vandalism, and the demolition of the monument to the Nazis is simply the execution of the decisions of the Nuremberg Court and the decisions of the allies on the denazification of Germany. The Italians came to us as invaders, and we liberated the countries of Europe from the Nazi occupation. Which countries were independent when our troops arrived at their borders? Or not an ally of Germany? We defeated Germany and their allies, and liberated the occupied countries. If someone says that we brought Soviet power to them with bayonets, then just answer yourself at least this question: what kind of political system has Austria had since 1945? And how many of our military bases were there after the Victory? The same question applies to other countries that we entered and then left without changing their political system.
  40. +1
    April 17 2022 15: 24
    well done !!!
  41. +2
    April 17 2022 20: 18
    Well done. It's a pity they didn't imprison the local authorities.
  42. +2
    April 17 2022 20: 40
    Game .. I'm shocked that this monument stood at all ..
  43. 0
    April 18 2022 10: 36
    Personally, I think that monuments on graves are a normal thing, after all, people fall into the ground for various reasons, and their descendants have the right to honor them. Another question is if the monuments are a symbol of fascism ... Monuments to the invaders should not carry any other meaning, except as "such and such died here." Dot. Among the dead were ordinary soldiers who only participated in the battles, and were not seen in others. And there should be no monuments to villains at all. Buried somewhere unknown. And no one visits
  44. +2
    April 18 2022 16: 15
    Patriots tired of bureaucratic inaction, who decided to remove this SHAME from our land without bureaucratic tricks - my immense respect. From my point of view, this is how it should be - quickly and efficiently. Not "talk to talk", but to do.
    Still Katyn would cover this bestial - in general it would be good! There is no need to demolish (it was not necessary to build!), We are not vandals, but wrap it with barbed wire in 3 rows so that there is no entrance there - that's it ... in 20 years it will fall apart without care and repair.
  45. DPN
    +1
    April 18 2022 17: 51
    The population is becoming a PEOPLE, which is good.
  46. WWI
    +2
    April 18 2022 21: 22
    The last watches of the nouveaux riches are put on display by foreign mercenaries who are asked to exchange them for a bankrupt foreign country, whom they do not know and have not heard anything about. They are being pushed by internal enemies, trying to probe the mood of the audience and the reaction of the Russians to the immoral and monstrous deal. Raise your rating and hope among the world's bigwigs and hope for political and financial asylum.
    Russians, don't let your inner nouveau riches trade mercenaries for Ukrainian political bankrupt Medvedchuk. What side is it for Russia, if only as miles oner for the same as your nouveau riche (hand gilds hand). They don’t talk about your captured soldiers (and in fact, in words, they powder their brains that they don’t leave their own). These are grandiloquent words to powder the brains of those who listen with their ears and do not think with their brains. Do not let them abandon their own and forgive for the spilled blood. Internal nouveau riches can cause more trouble than those who openly fled the cordon. If you betray your defenders, many nations will turn away from you, including your neighbors.
  47. 0
    April 18 2022 23: 49
    Thank God!
  48. +1
    April 19 2022 01: 44
    laughing I’m sitting laughing out loud ... no one thought that the installation of a memorial sign in place falls under a new article in the Criminal Code good
  49. +1
    April 19 2022 07: 05
    It looks like the Rossosh officials got drunk on "Italian-fascist" shit, that's what the stench on the page has risen! To erect monuments to fascist executioners on our land, which these nonhumans have flooded with the blood of our ancestors, is already the height of betrayal
  50. +1
    April 22 2022 14: 30
    Tell me, why the hell do we have memorials to the Pole Kachinsky on Smolensk land?
  51. 0
    April 25 2022 04: 48
    And the officials follow into the river.