State tests of the Tornado-G salvo-fire system completed

State tests of multiple launch rocket launchers (MLRS) Tornado-G came to an end, the corresponding act should be prepared in the middle of October, said the general director of Motovilikhinskie Zavody (Perm) Nikolay Bukhvalov.

“September 30 was the last day when state tests ended, October 15 should be prepared an act,” he said, Interfax reports.

At the same time, Bukhvalov noted that the company does not yet have a contract with the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation for the supply of Tornado-G.

Meanwhile, earlier the head of the Russian Ministry of Defense, Anatoly Serdyukov, announced the conclusion of an agreement with OAO Motovilikhinskiye Zavody about the supply of multiple launch rocket systems (MLRS) Tornado-G to the 36 troops.

“We have already concluded the contract for the party from 36 MLRS Tornado-G this year, we are not planning anymore,” said Serdyukov.

Commenting on this statement, Bukhvalov said: “There is no contract, apparently, he (Serdyukov - approx. LOOK) has some information that allows him to say so. Perhaps the completion of the tests and the good work of these machines at the exercises allowed the Minister of Defense to say, but we do not have any confirmation of this. We hope that in the near future we will have it, since the Minister of Defense said. ”

At the same time, Bukhvalov added that in case of signing a contract, deliveries on it will begin in 2013 year.

As the newspaper VIEW, reported in March of last year, information appeared that the Ministry of Defense will begin to purchase new Tornado-G multiple launch rocket systems, which should eventually replace the BM-21 Grad, which has been in service since 1963.

Comments

[Wedmak]

That's really some kind of trouble with these bureaucrats ... "YuVO received 20 Tornado-G systems, yeah ..." The Ministry of Defense bought 36 Tornado-G systems from Motovilikha Plants ... ended tests .... So purchased or tests? Does the right hand not know what the left is doing?

[Splin]

Grad had a big problem, a long reload. Almost 7 minutes with a hook. As I understand it, the problem was not resolved. The Czechs did cool with the RM-70/85. Recharge 2 minutes. There are similar cassettes in the experimental BelGrad, Bastion-02 and Langoustine-2

[Wedmak]

2 in one? Launcher and charging. And how optimal is this? All the same, after all, such systems after a volley should quickly fall off the launch site. It’s more logical not to carry extra weight, and the machine is not small turned out.

[DIMS]

What's the point? After the salvo, the OP should still be left. Why limit mobility.
By the way, the time of loading the "BelGrad" and the time of loading the "Grad" with the TPM are the same

[Splin]

Quote: DIMS

"BelGrad" and loading time of "Grad" with TPM are the same

I said experienced. The first Langouste also has no reloading mechanism. And you always have time to dump from the position, depending on what kind of enemy. Tarta and Iveco walk along the highway for a hundred. Off-road for 60..Even in the automated mode, in order to direct aviation and artillery for a counterattack, it takes at least 3 minutes. and during this time you can "get" the second portion. And the battery will have time to leave the position ..

[DIMS]

The fact is that from these cassettes the rockets are still charged one at a time. So both there and there are 7 minutes. It can be reduced only through the use of modular loading. But here comes a big BUT. On "Tornado-G", a device for transmitting information to the fuse is installed on each rail. With a modular version, this will be difficult to do.

[Splin]

Modular loading is the right decision, but about the Czech car - a mistake.

[Wedmak]

Very interesting. Only again - is it worth carrying ammunition with you. This is not a tank, no protection. Yes, and in an open rack. Is it not enough one volley?

[DIMS]

Anyway, this is nonsense. Overweight machine, problems using different types of PCs. No, this is a dead end branch.

[Splin]

Quote: DIMS

No, this is a dead end branch.

I knowingly showed Langoustine 2. Svezhachok at the exhibition in Kölzne .2012 With her next to the power station for 45 and 55 km., So armor is especially useless. It’s just hard for you to admit that Toronado-G, Bastion-01, or the Georgian likeness, simply lagged behind in evolution.

[Wedmak]

I am not an expert in this field, but what is behind? In how is charging? Or is it that Lobster carries + 1 ammunition with it? The question was - why is it necessary? Plowing a football field half a meter in depth is enough for one volley.

[DIMS]

It's not about the distance, it's about the big nomenclature ammunition.
Only types of warheads at "Grad" eight. Plus, the missiles are different in range (I recall, the higher the maximum, the higher and the minimum). Plus missiles with angular stabilization system and detachable warhead

In addition, I do not understand why such a recharge is necessary. Just based on application tactics. MLRS does not machine gun, I do not think that detect targets for MLRS fire will be with a frequency of several minutes.

[Splin]

I explain the principle of ASUV. Target designations are introduced in advance on the march, without involving the crew. Let’s say I’ve a dead carcass. but in the mid-90s in 2 minutes we managed to give several volleys with Carnations for three different purposes. I was not interested in the result. I got the azimuth and coordinates on the march. 7-8 volleys and self-propelled guns in that place there. And then there was no GLONAS either computer target designators, or automatic corrections after the shot, the fighters entered everything manually. Of course, if the rocket can now fly into the window - the rate of fire is not required. What to do with old shells? Modern SNARs calculate the coordinates of the battery 20-40 seconds after the volley. + data transmission + aiming a counterattack on the target + flight time. Total 3-4 minutes in a modern army. It’s not like when the Georgians of the poor Ossetians covered, or when the Americans grind Iraq with impunity. We are talking about the modern battle of two modern armies, where there are ground electronic countermeasures systems, excellent ASUV, etc.
Therefore, 7 minutes of reloading is a lot. And each time to change position, to make corrections to the toppropper - this is such a hemorrhoids. Yes, and 2 minutes is a lot. I don’t know how much lobster-2 is recharged.

[DIMS]

Quote: Splin

I explain the principle of ASUV. Target designation is introduced in advance on the march

And can shells, for example, cluster ones with cumulative-fragmentation submunitions, be loaded into the package on the go?

Quote: Splin

7-8 volleys and self-propelled guns in that place there.

One volley and MLRS is not there. They are charged to the OP only in the absence of a counter-battery. But this is only in the case of "wars with the Papuans", during which MLRS are used even less often.

Quote: Splin

And each time to change position, to make corrections to the toppropper - this is such a hemorrhoids.

But you have to. But it was not for nothing that modern topographic equipment was installed on the Tornado.

[Splin]

Quote: DIMS

And shells, for example, cluster munitions with cumulative-fragmentation submunitions, are also loaded into the package on the go

And what are such 122,4 caliber shells? - this nomenclature begins with Hurricanes (220 mm).
As for self-propelled guns, the Msta-S shoots well on the move.
Self-propelled guns are fired at preliminary target designations only from a stop. but without going to the ground.

[Kars]

This Chinese is a thing.

[Wedmak]

Hm ... Box, this must be assumed another set of missiles. Wasn’t it easier to stick another rail package in there? The chassis must withstand. That would be scary ....

[PLO]

Yes, it seems like there are 9M217 and 9M218

[DIMS]

Quote: Splin

And what are 122,4 caliber shells

Exactly what is. 9M218.

From "Msta" on the go? I wouldn't try.

[Splin]

Quote: DIMS

Exactly what is. 9M218.

I admit my mistake, although in the army I saw only OFs and smoke. As for Msta-S, it is possible to fire on the move to an elevation angle of no more than 25 degrees.

[Splin]

Quote: DIMS

One volley and MLRS is not there. They are charged to the OP only in the absence of a counter-battery. But this is only in the case of "wars with the Papuans", during which MLRS are used even less often.

It only says that the Grad is more powerful. A battery of such "mortars" has a high explosiveness of a mesh than a 2S1 battery. Yes, the affected area is larger, but the accuracy is much lower.

[erased]

All these Tornadoes G, C, U seem to have increased range and accuracy. How true is this? And how much better / worse are they than imported ones?

[DIMS]

For "Tornado-G" - range and accuracy increase only when firing new ammunition.

[serezhasoldatow]

What is different from Grad I do not understand? Probably the rollback has gone. And the range and accuracy depends on the projectile

[urzul]

Here for more details

[DIMS]

It is distinguished by a high level of informatization. For example, the time of opening fire from the moment of receiving the coordinates of the target to a salvo from an unprepared fire (from the march) was reduced from 25 to 6 minutes. Here's a "rollback"

[Vanya]

satellite location, digital guidance systems and fire control.

[DIMS]

There are a lot of things.
It remains to give the car a splinterproof booking of the cabin and package, and a complex of control machines, without which all these electronic gadgets will not be needed.

[11Goor11]

serezhasoldatow
What is different from Grad I do not understand? Probably the rollback has gone.

The degree of trust in liberal journalists (foreign agents) is inversely proportional to your awareness.

[BARKAS]

The effectiveness of MLRS PRIMA will be higher why TORNADO is created on the basis of GRAD?
http://rbase.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/prima/prima.shtml

[DIMS]

The higher The number of guides, a large 10?

[BARKAS]

The area of ​​destruction, the time spent in a combat position, the reload time due to the presence of a transport-loading vehicle, new control vehicles, the rate of fire, at first glance, is not small.

[Splin]

Quote: BARKAS

transport charging machine,

All this can be applied to the City. Indeed, the whole advantage is 10 guides. And TZM reduces recharge time by only 2 minutes ..

[DIMS]

The Grad also has a transport loader. The Prima has a longer reload time, 10 minutes versus 7.

Otherwise, "Prima" is an intermediate link between "Grads" and "Tornado-G"

The complex of control machines is the same, "Kapustnik B", the missiles are even better, but the old ones are also used. The only "deterioration" is that the Tornado has 10 guides less than the Prima.

[Splin]

Quote: DIMS

The Prima has a longer reload time, 10 minutes versus 7.

These are old TZM. There are new cartridge loading. What is their advantage over the Czechs? They work independently of the MLRS.

[DIMS]

Will the old TZM enter the Tornado complex?

[Wedmak]

If memory serves, Tornado-G can use old PCs. So, TZM will do. Maybe. )))

[Splin]

TZM - this is just a machine with cells for storing ammunition.

[Splin]

Quote: DIMS

Will the old TZM enter the Tornado complex?

You are in Russia, you know better. We always do this, they show the facade, and no one sees the entrance.

[Splin]

Speaking of modularity. The Kazakhs made a good MLRS (probably their only successful military development) 220/160/122 mm

[PLO]

Speaking of modularity. The Kazakhs made a good MLRS (probably their only successful military development) 220/160/122 mm

it's actually an Israeli lynh

[Splin]

No, the Kazakhs took and invented the bicycle. Yes, they created their own "Naiza" together with the Jews. Not without an Israeli trace. But on one PU, you can put three different calibers.

[PLO]

Yes, they created their own "Naiza" together with the Jews. Not without an Israeli trace. But on one PU, you can put three different calibers.

not three different calibers, but standard Israeli modules / packages

this is called copying and there is nothing wrong with that, but in order to call it your own, you must at least set up your own production of the missiles themselves, packages and other equipment