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The Red Banner in the hands of a grandmother is a symbol of the liberation of Ukraine

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“For that flag, my parents died, and you trample on it!”



How to emerge victorious from an unequal duel with frostbitten Bandera? An unnamed old woman from a Ukrainian village knows the answer to this question.

The resonant video, which is now being talked about even in the UN Security Council, was filmed in early April in the frontline zone of "special operation Z". The Ukronazis probably had no idea what effect this material would have on the Russians. In the video, they first mocked the old man, and then his wife came out with the Banner of Victory of the Red Army. She says she prayed for Russian soldiers and Putin. She didn’t know, dear, that in front of her were lads from the Ukrainian army - she accepted them like grandchildren.

And the Nazis continued their performance, playing along with the unfortunate old people. Grandmother was offered a package of groceries, she at first embarrassedly refuses, but then accepts the "gifts". People with weapons in response, they take the Banner of Victory from the old woman and trample it before her eyes.

Only at this moment the heroine begins to see with whom she is dealing. Calmly, without unnecessary emotions, she passes the package back and says to the geeks:

“I don't need your products. For this flag, my parents died, and you stepped on it!”

The lads then explain something to the old people for a long time and indistinctly, but everyone already understands who is in this stories real winner.

The Red Banner in the hands of a grandmother is a symbol of the liberation of Ukraine

Viktor Alexandrovich K., born in 1988 - alleged participant in mockery of the elderly

But not everyone. The plot showed not only the unparalleled courage and fortitude of ordinary old people, but also the total rot of the Ukronazi society. Not Ukrainian, namely Ukronazi. The fighters of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, who are mocking the elderly, did not have to put it on the net. A heroic act, apparently. Common sense does not adequately assess the motives of the scum. But the assumption is still there.

The shooting clearly took place in eastern Ukraine, which has been considered pro-Russian since the collapse of the USSR. The events that followed after 2014 are a clear confirmation of this. Western Bandera Ukraine traditionally treats the East, if not with hatred, then with a fair amount of intolerance. The special operation aggravated everything.

How to make believe that there are only traitors in the east, and at the same time justify the shelling of their own population? Easier than simple - to dehumanize the inhabitants. For example, simple old men living in a dilapidated hut come out to meet the Russians as liberators. It was these thoughts that wandered from the gloomy brains of Ukrainian militants.

However, perhaps this happened on their instinctive bestial urges. In any case, the old people do not take courage. Until the last seconds of the video, the fear that everything would end in tragedy did not let go ...

By the way, the network has already identified the identity of one of the Nazi non-humans from this video. It turned out to be someone Viktor Aleksandrovich K., born in 1988.

You will answer, lad, you will definitely answer, both for your grandmother and for the Banner of Victory.

The new symbol of "special operation Z"


A video with a grandmother and the Banner of Victory will be shown at school lessons. It must be included in the state standard at the legislative level.

The piercing act instantly became a symbol for the Russian public, yearning for civic heroism. These are not feigned speeches by statesmen comparing those who fled Russia with true patriots. The indistinct informational support of the "special operation Z", coupled with the failures of the official agenda, was crossed out at one moment by a simple family of Ukrainian old men.

New folk heroes instantly won the hearts and souls of Russians. Among the goals of the work of our military in Ukraine, in addition to "denazification and demilitarization", a new one has appeared - to free these old men from the Nazi yoke as soon as possible. And invite them to the Victory Parade in Moscow on May 9th. They deserve it.


Along with the letters Z and V, the identification marks of those in the military special operation, the grandmother with the Red Banner has become another symbol of the liberation of countries. In all senses. Russia - from internal traitors, Ukraine - from the Nazi Bandera.

And now a grandmother from Chuvashia came to her house with the Banner of Victory to support the brave Ukrainian old woman. Expressive street art with our heroine appeared in Yekaterinburg, gradually spreading throughout Russia. Craftsmen from the network compete in art installations with the image of these Ukrainian old men.

The most poignant look Ukrainian old men with the Banner of Victory opposite the demoniac pannochki with sickles. The quintessence of what is happening now in Ukraine.



And if we digress from this story and look at ourselves. Not on the Ukrainians, who have been drummed from childhood that the Banner of Victory is criminal, but on the Russians.

Many people have houses of red panels, for which and with which our ancestors died on the fields of the Great Patriotic War?

Yes, they are now appearing in the cities of Russia, but why did they have to wait for “special operation Z” for this? We saw the Red Banner only at the Victory Parade, and on the day of the Immortal Regiment. Only in the latter case does the banner of the 79th Idritsa division appear.

But these are subtleties that do not explain one thing, why do we, the descendants of heroes, so quickly forget our heritage? When did we get past the moment when the true symbols of our nation's triumph and tragedy faded into the background?

Well, now they remember. And thanks to the so far nameless old people from the Ukrainian village.
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  1. Far B
    Far B April 16 2022 04: 59
    +45
    We saw the Red Banner only at the Victory Parade, and on the day of the "Immortal Regiment"
    And this perfectly illustrates the duplicity of the country's leadership, which Victory Day uses exclusively for its own political purposes.
    But these are subtleties that do not explain one thing, why do we, the descendants of heroes, so quickly forget our heritage?
    Because it is completely unprofitable for this very leadership of the country for us to remember why the parents of the grandmother-heroine of the article (and the video) and our ancestors died for - they died for the Soviet motherland, behind socialism - under the red banner. If they defended with such bitterness, it means that there was something to defend, there was something to die for. But if such a memory is encouraged, it will not take long to run into the desire of the people to return the Soviet past. And this is our power - like a Faberge sickle.
    Many people have houses of red banners
    I have. I raise on November 7 and on May 9.
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx April 16 2022 05: 23
      -2
      Quote: Dalny V
      And this perfectly illustrates the duplicity of the country's leadership, which Victory Day uses exclusively for its own political purposes.

      Tell me, do we have the right to talk about the victory over fascism this year on May 9th? The victory that our fathers and grandfathers won... Can we talk about the victory over Nazism, when blood is shed today, and all the devilish evil spirits set out to take revenge for the defeat in 1945?
      It is unlikely that the IVS thought for a long time in such a situation and figured out how to gently hint to the enemies that they were wrong ...
      Today N. Mikhalkov asked questions (here):
      1. Far B
        Far B April 16 2022 05: 27
        +23
        and this year on May 9th we have the right to talk about the victory over fascism? That victory won by our fathers and grandfathers...
        About that Victory - of course, he has the right. Nobody and nothing will cancel it.
        1. Tatar 174
          Tatar 174 April 16 2022 05: 36
          +40
          This story brings tears to my eyes... If only these two of our old men remained alive until the Victory over Ukronazism.
          1. imerjak
            imerjak April 16 2022 07: 26
            +12
            The network has another video filmed by banderlogs. There, the same old woman is talking with one of the nationalists. She tells him that the demons will soon bury you, and in response she hears how formidable they are, etc. Demonstration video. This is about how old people treat Banderlogs, without any pretense.
          2. Flooding
            Flooding April 16 2022 07: 55
            +22
            Quote: Tatar 174
            If only these two of our old men remained alive until the Victory over Ukronazism.

            this is one story that reached a large audience thanks to chance and the stupidity of the people who filmed the video.
            And how many more of those heroes, names and surnames, we will never know and about the exploits of which no one can tell us?
            Low bow to the elderly.
            They not only showed an example of courage and loyalty, but also showed for whom blood is shed in Ukraine.
            Let the scoundrels write that 99% of Ukrainians are Nazis. We know it's not.
          3. antivirus
            antivirus April 16 2022 08: 39
            +1
            I believe that Aidar will win the social competition of the basics and will give out 135% of the norm for gold mining.
            Turchynov will give a sincere speech at summing up the results of the year and setting new tasks
            1. Dingo
              Dingo April 17 2022 11: 54
              +1
              ...and get a new quilted jacket as a reward.
          4. Taimen
            Taimen April 16 2022 11: 26
            +10
            Grandmother-Hero of Russia (and not some "friends"), and who mocked the gallows in the square with all the honest people.
          5. volodimer
            volodimer April 16 2022 17: 44
            +1
            If someone who owns editors can do better .. It is possible with the Bulgarian Alyosha and with the Stalingrad Motherland .. In paint, he quickly killed the idea.

            Hope the meaning is clear. Not a shadow on the ground, but in full growth behind them, You can see even larger pictures from the back of the recent parade of participants on May 9th on Red Square.
            something like that

            To emphasize the continuity of generations.
            Please make this collage.
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 April 16 2022 20: 44
              +5
              Quote: volodimer
              To emphasize the continuity of generations.

              I do not see any continuity of generations between a tired old woman with the Soviet Red Banner and self-satisfied girls from the capitalist Russian Federation.
              1. volodimer
                volodimer April 17 2022 07: 07
                0
                In that case, I pity you. The grandmother with the Red Flag was also a young girl who did not even think that she would accomplish a feat. And do not insult the girls, they serve Russia, not capitalism.
                I would not like to be personal, but about complacency ... Do you measure yourself? Is Service to the Motherland reprehensible for you? Then say hello to the 5th column.
                If, nevertheless, patriotism is not an empty word for you, then you will understand what kind of continuity I wrote about.
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 April 17 2022 08: 55
                  -4
                  Quote: volodimer
                  they serve Russia, not capitalism.

                  They serve capitalist Russia, and for me, as a former citizen of the USSR, it is like a sickle in one place.
                  Quote: volodimer
                  Is Service to the Motherland reprehensible for you? Then say hello to the 5th column.

                  Who is our fifth column is a deep question. Today's Russia is not even able to save a cruiser against inflatable boats.
                  Quote: volodimer
                  If, nevertheless, patriotism is not an empty word for you,

                  My patriotism is based on my ancestors, on my friends, on the land where I live, how I live, and I think that my grandfather, dispossessed in his time, would not approve of this bodyaha that is happening now in the country.
                  I would sing obscene ditties.
                  1. Kayala
                    Kayala April 17 2022 16: 17
                    +3
                    Yes, you are not Russian, and even more so not Soviet, if for you a girl in uniform is reprehensible. I kind of also come from the USSR, but I would never write like that. Russia was, is and will be, but not because of people like you, but in spite of!
                    Once I kind of respected you, now I see that in vain ...!
                    1. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 April 17 2022 16: 34
                      -1
                      Quote: Kayala
                      Yes, you are not Russian, and even more so not Soviet, if for you a girl in uniform is reprehensible.

                      Welled up from an oak tree?
                      There will be Russia, but it will not be the same Russia that I love and respect.
                      1. Kayala
                        Kayala April 17 2022 17: 45
                        0
                        We didn’t seem to switch to “you”, this is the first.
                        And secondly, they either love Russia or not, no matter which one.
                      2. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 April 17 2022 19: 32
                        +1
                        Quote: Kayala
                        And secondly, they either love Russia or not, no matter which one.

                        What do you understand by Russia?
        2. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx April 16 2022 06: 17
          +9
          Quote: Dalny V
          About that Victory - of course, he has the right. Nobody and nothing will cancel it.

          THEY HAVE WON!!! No one can cancel their VICTORY ... It's too early to talk about our victory ... Even in the future ... So far, only Russia and Belarus have come to our war with the Nazis. What have we missed that all the European scum with foam at the mouth continues to bark at us? Maybe, well, her ... - let there be the former open field?
      2. Oorfene Juice and his wooden soldiers
        -13
        RO 42 Tell me, do we have the right to talk about the victory over fascism this year on May 9th?

        Do not confuse that victory with the current military operation. We are the heirs of that victory, and the creators of the current one are those who are now in arms in Ukraine, those who work in the rear for victory, who voted for Putin (commander-in-chief) and his EP party. This will be your victory.
      3. Saladine
        Saladine April 16 2022 08: 22
        +10
        Well, why was the master clown brought here?
        1. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx April 16 2022 08: 48
          -3
          Quote: Saladine
          Well, why was the master clown brought here?

          Do you know how my post differs from yours? It shows to whom I answer (I want to say something). You have to think about this. And you can think about the words of Mikhalkov. This topic is better than talking about green energy or gender diversity.
          hi
          1. Saladine
            Saladine April 16 2022 09: 02
            +9
            Good morning, Yuri Vasilyevich!

            I don’t respect Mikhalkov, so I can’t see or hear him, it’s disgusting. This is a parasite on the body of Russia. So that's why he reacted. Sorry if I somehow hurt your feelings. Have a nice day for you and your family!
            1. Ross xnumx
              Ross xnumx April 16 2022 13: 41
              +6
              Quote: Saladine
              Sorry if I somehow hurt your feelings.

              I have no feelings or sympathy for him. A good actor, a good documentary filmmaker... His snobbery and arrogance are annoying. The severity of some topics raises doubts about cleanliness.
              I do not take for truth the opinion of people who have not shown themselves in the creation of material values. Chatting is not tossing bags. If Mikhalkov says something sensible, I will not refute it.
              Thanks for the feedback.
              hi
      4. alekseykabanets
        alekseykabanets April 16 2022 08: 42
        +8
        Quote: RO 42
        Can we talk about the victory over Nazism, when blood is shed today, and all the devilish evil spirits set out to take revenge for the defeat in 1945?

        All devilish evil already took revenge for the defeat in 1945 back in the 90s, it dismembered the once powerful united state into 15 non-states and set 15 peoples against each other. Today, the blood of the Russian and Ukrainian peoples is shed, yesterday the blood of the Armenian and Azerbaijani peoples was shed, and all evil spirits, such as Mikhalkov, Solovyov, Kiselev and other similar characters, diligently inflate enmity between peoples. You can not fight Bandera Nazism and at the same time praise Mussolini and the fascist Nazi Ilyin!
        1. KERMET
          KERMET April 16 2022 10: 13
          +6
          Good video - recommended to everyone, except that it's not for food for the stubborn
        2. sniperino
          sniperino April 16 2022 14: 03
          -3
          Quote: aleksejkabanets
          Fascist Nazi Ilyin!
          Are you okay? No noise in your head, no voices heard? Give a quote from which such, roughly speaking, the definition of its author follows. But you won’t bring it, I give a tooth, because they obviously didn’t read it themselves.
          1. alekseykabanets
            alekseykabanets April 16 2022 23: 51
            +1
            Quote: sniperino
            But you won’t bring it, I give a tooth, because they obviously didn’t read it themselves.

            Do you even understand the meaning of the expression "I give a tooth"? You should be more careful in your statements.
            Quote: sniperino
            Are you okay? No noise in your head, no voices heard? Give a quote from which such, roughly speaking, the definition of its author follows.

            Read, at least, his article "National Socialism. New Spirit", but in general here is one link to an article about Ilyin by Archpriest Andrei Kordochkin https://bogoslov.ru/article/6028156, and here is the second, where his "creativity" is considered from a more materialistic position https://ridl.io/ivan-ilin-fashist-vvedennyj-v-modu/ . Nazi and fascist quotes are full there.))))
            1. sniperino
              sniperino April 18 2022 10: 02
              +2
              Quote: aleksejkabanets
              Nazi and fascist quotes are full there
              Is that why you didn't bring any? At the same time that Ilyin was writing the article, we organized a tank school for the Germans in Kazan, an aviation school in Lipetsk, and the Tomka chemical test site near Saratov. During the war, Ilyin changed his idea of ​​German National Socialism. And we have changed a lot. By the way, are there any Nazi quotes in the Talmud?
              1. alekseykabanets
                alekseykabanets April 18 2022 10: 44
                -2
                Quote: sniperino
                Is that why you didn't bring any?

                I deliberately did not begin to quote his Nazi quotes here, because "freedom of speech", with all the ensuing consequences, and I do not want to receive fines. The links I gave you are full of such quotes.
                Quote: sniperino
                At the same time that Ilyin was writing the article, we organized a tank school for the Germans in Kazan, an aviation school in Lipetsk, and the Tomka chemical test site near Saratov.

                Do not confuse the Weimar Republic and Nazi Germany.
                Quote: sniperino
                During the war, Ilyin changed his idea of ​​German National Socialism.

                In 1948, Ilyin in his article “On Fascism” writes: “Fascism is a complex, multifaceted phenomenon and, historically speaking, far from outlived. It has healthy and sick, old and new, state-protective and destructive. Therefore, in assessing it, calmness and justice are needed. “Franco and Salazar understood this and are trying to avoid these mistakes. They do not call their regime "fascist". Let's hope that Russian patriots will think through the mistakes of fascism and National Socialism to the end and not repeat them.
                Is this how he changed his attitude towards fascism?
                1. sniperino
                  sniperino April 18 2022 13: 24
                  0
                  Quote: aleksejkabanets
                  Do not confuse the Weimar Republic and Nazi Germany.
                  In 1933, the schools were closed, but the work had already been written by that time. At that time (before the seizure of power in Germany), leftist totalitarianism with its task of setting a world fire frightened him more. Ilyin was a nationalist, but not a Nazi. In 1948, he outlined the negative features of German National Socialism already as a fascist ideology:
                  1) Irreligion. Hostile attitude towards Christianity, towards religions, denominations and churches in general.
                  2) Creation of right-wing totalitarianism as a permanent and supposedly "ideal" system.
                  3) Establishment of a party monopoly and the resulting corruption and demoralization.
                  4) Going to extremes of nationalism and militant chauvinism (national "grand mania").
                  5) Mixing social reforms with socialism and slipping through totalitarianism into the nationalization of the economy.
                  6) Falling into idolatrous Caesarism with its demagoguery, servility and despotism.
                  With regard to the state-protective part of the ideology of national socialism (patriotism, fair social and economic reforms), until 1933 he saw a positive, but with a caveat:
                  But its dangers must be thought through to the end.
        3. man
          man April 16 2022 19: 51
          0
          Dear Alexey, thank you very much for the video! But I didn’t understand why you called Malchish-Kibalchish (Ilyin) a fascist?
          1. alekseykabanets
            alekseykabanets April 16 2022 23: 58
            +1
            Quote: mann
            Dear Alexey, thank you very much for the video!

            Yes, it's not for me, it's thanks to Konstantin Semin.))))
            Quote: mann
            But I didn’t understand why you called Malchish-Kibalchish (Ilyin) a fascist?

            I can’t understand what is the connection between Malchish-Kibalchish and the philosopher Ilyin justifying fascism and Nazism?
            1. man
              man April 19 2022 20: 30
              0
              Sorry for the late reply, visual problems.
              For posting Semin's video, it turned out that I had very close points of view with him.
              It seems that I misunderstood that Ilyin (a person living in America) played a major role in a movie about Malchish-Kibalchish as a child.
      5. Kayala
        Kayala April 16 2022 13: 25
        +9
        I don’t know how anyone, but I never forgot about those who mined that our Victory, or about exactly under what banner it was mined.
        Every year on May 9, I go with the Red Banner on Victory Day, and then I go with it to the grave of my grandfather, who went through two wars from and to! And I take my children with me so that they know and remember.
        Recently, they began to go to the First of May with the same flag.
        Well, on November 7, God himself ordered me, I was born that day!
        So everything is fine in my family with memory ...
    2. Gardamir
      Gardamir April 16 2022 07: 02
      +14
      I will add, I wonder how all those who now allegedly bow before the Banner of Victory will react. In addition, on May 9, the tricolor will be brought to Red Square, and the Mausoleum will be crammed with funk.
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 April 16 2022 08: 07
        -11
        Quote: Gardamir
        In addition, on May 9, the tricolor will be brought to Red Square, and the Mausoleum will be crammed with funk.

        This only says that that clan-corporate grouping, appointed in the 90s to high state administrative positions by the State Department, is still strong and we have yet to throw it off.

        Quote: RO 42
        THEY HAVE WON!!!

        I do not separate and do not oppose myself from the military deeds of my fathers, grandfathers and great-great-great-grandfathers. All their victories are my victories. All their defeats are my defeats. Everyone who walks in the columns of the "Immortal Regiment" with photographs of our heroes thinks the same way.

        I believe that everyone who shed blood for our Motherland should go to this regiment - starting with our victories on the Kulikovo field, victories over the Swedes, Poles and ending with the Afgar, Chechen, Syrian and Ukrainian.

        With your liberal "us and them" - go to your Europe or go to hell - to the USA ...
        The cult of individualism is there. Russia is a cathedral. You will not be able to separate and oppose us - our ancestors.
        ps
        RO 42 - change your avatar, do not disgrace. Your flag is striped.
        1. Gardamir
          Gardamir April 16 2022 08: 36
          +6
          Strongly against any regiments. Our ancestors set the rules for how to celebrate the Victory. There was also a Victory Parade and a Minute of Silence. And this is when grandfather goes to Red Square to sit on a bench near the curtained Mausoleum like a shame.
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 April 16 2022 08: 52
            -7
            Quote: Gardamir
            Strongly against any regiments.

            And I'm for.
            This is what good people need first of all to see that they are not alone in their beliefs. As long as the media (the means of shaping the worldview) do not fully meet the interests of the majority, such events are necessary.

            In addition, it shows our enemies our unity.
            As long as we are united, they will not defeat us.

            Quote: Gardamir
            And this is when grandfather goes to Red Square to sit on a bench

            I hope you are not suggesting that the ninety-year-olds be sent away with a solemn march?
        2. Essex62
          Essex62 April 16 2022 08: 49
          +3
          Yes Yes. Shchaazzz the king ... kaaaak fucking with an oar ... And everyone, set by the State Department, will fall overboard the galleys. Terrible mess in your head Boris. There are no halftones in this case, and there are only two colors - red and white. And the tricolor, with a red banner in the same ranks, an obsolete sur.
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        3. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx April 16 2022 09: 01
          +11
          Quote: Boris55
          With your liberal "us and them" - go to your Europe or go to hell - to the USA ...
          The cult of individualism is there. Russia is a cathedral. You will not be able to separate and oppose us - our ancestors.

          Your dementia has irritated me since 2014, and I try to bypass it due to the deliberate mediocrity of your reasoning and messages.
          Quote: Boris55
          RO 42 - change your avatar, do not disgrace. Your flag is striped.

          Cover your embrasure - it's not for you to teach me and make comments. My avatar is my belief in the event, thanks to which I was born and live. I don’t change horses at the crossing, I don’t bend my back, I don’t lick my buttocks ... Renewed socialism is my credo. If the guarantor nevertheless takes steps in politics that the majority of ordinary people expect from him, then I only welcome this.
          The Americans and NATO for me are probable opponents since the times of the USSR. But I don't think that only cretins and half-witted preoccupied people live in these countries. I have not left the country for many years and I am not going to leave. But I will not silently watch how evil spirits and various scum continue to rob our land for the sake of their whims and lusts.
          =====
          Do not poke, but you will not poke ... Hamlo ...
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 April 16 2022 10: 09
            -14
            Quote: RO 42
            Your dementia annoys me

            Your rudeness speaks of your weak argumentation.

            Quote: RO 42
            Renewed socialism is my credo.

            I am for the power of the Soviets, and your socialism - who will build it?

            Quote: RO 42
            I don't think that only cretins and half-witted preoccupied people live in these countries.

            Not new:
            - the German working people will be for us ...
            - Ukrainian people against Bandera ...
            And we have to fight with them.

            Quote: RO 42
            But I will not silently watch how evil spirits and various scum continue to rob our land for the sake of their whims and lusts.

            In order to say something, you need to understand the cause-and-effect relationships, and with this you have strained. For you, Putin is the king, and this is a problem that you are not even trying to understand.
            1. Essex62
              Essex62 April 16 2022 10: 53
              +7
              Do you believe that "not the tsar" is also for the power of the Soviets? What platform are the tips on? Liberal-bourgeois, what is he worth? In the presence of the bourgeoisie, they are of no use to us. The same Faberge, only in profile. All your causal relationships are those set by the State Department and the "president who opposes them." Nonsense, sorry, utter nonsense, to crush the resistance, the brigade that overwhelmed Hodor and co, in a fight for a pipe, twice.
              1. Boris55
                Boris55 April 16 2022 11: 03
                -13
                The task of this non-tsar is to ensure the true independence of Russia. Only in such a Russia, not earlier, we themselves we can determine how we will live. But this is the task of the next non-king.
                1. Essex62
                  Essex62 April 16 2022 11: 24
                  +9
                  Thanks for the answer, but you are not corrected. We lie under the West, economically completely dependent on them, for 30 years and more than half of this period under the wise guidance of the GDP. Why didn't he fight for independence as soon as the clans of Berezovsky and Khodor were knocked over? What were you waiting for? Yes, it was just more convenient. Download - sell resources - you will get everything from behind a hillock. The Communists, in a matter of years, overcame the devastation and built a powerful industrial Power, won a terrible war, for destruction, and rushed into space. 30 years old Carl.
                  1. Boris55
                    Boris55 April 17 2022 08: 00
                    -3
                    You write: "Why didn't he fight for independence as soon as the clans of Berezovsky and Khodor were knocked over?"

                    You yourself gave the answer to your question: "We lie under the West, economically completely dependent on them, for 30 years."

                    After 30 years, we are fully provided with food, the social obligations of the state to the people are being fulfilled and increased, our army is stronger than ever. Today we are getting out of the dollar.

                    30 years ago and even 2 years ago this was impossible to do. Our state system was not ready for this.

                    Putin does not like to cut knots, he untangles them. The second "civilian" Russia will not survive - it will fall apart into specific principalities, "sponsors" will be found and will help.
                    1. Essex62
                      Essex62 April 17 2022 08: 29
                      +2
                      Why civilian? Having such an apparatus of security forces, "sovereign people", "protecting the state day and night for state salaries" in their hands, it will not be difficult to crush the aligarhs and other petty-bourgeois ... is it not difficult? Those. he will now unravel the knots, the environment will be reforged and will lead to a bright future, a welfare state, equality and freedom? And he and others like him, is it necessary?

                      Z.Y. but how social obligations to the people are fulfilled, I feel it on my own skin. Yeah. good I was told to survive, swim old, fuck you and not a straw.
                      1. Boris55
                        Boris55 April 17 2022 08: 53
                        -3
                        Quote from Eex62
                        Having in their hands such an apparatus of security forces, "sovereign people", "for state salaries

                        Yes, the Putin clan has power, while the Medvedev clan has money. Today, all the money from the sale of resources in rubles goes, and the bank of "Russia" - past Medvedev's ...

                        In the 90s, the security forces practically stopped being paid, and "the legendary and invincible, who knew the joy of victories in battles" fell apart.

                        "All that we see is only one visibility.
                        Far from the surface of the sea to the bottom.
                        Consider inconsequential manifest in the world,
                        For the secret essence of things is not visible. "
    3. Region-25.rus
      Region-25.rus April 16 2022 07: 52
      +6
      Because it is completely unprofitable for this very leadership of the country for us to remember why the parents of the grandmother-heroine of the article (and the video) and our ancestors died for the Soviet Motherland, for socialism - under the red banner.
      and many townsfolk also forgot under what banner their own ancestors (my two grandfathers, by the way, too) defended their homeland! I don’t remember in what year there was an action on May 9th. They hung flags outside the windows. So I walked around St. Petersburg and went nuts that 99% of the flags hung out by the townsfolk were ... (drumroll) tricolors! Tricolors Carl!!! :waat:
      and here are some....

      there was very little
      1. Basil50
        Basil50 April 16 2022 08: 44
        +7
        Well, why be surprised if the authorities are frankly * embarrassed * that OUR state was CREATED by the BOLSHEVIKS under the leadership of VLADIMIR ILYICH LENIN. Now in honor are those who destroyed the RUSSIAN EMPIRE and the SOVIET UNION.
        Frankly ashamed of the admiration for Stolypin and other similar * reformers *.
        * A dislocation * of consciousness allows you to put memorials to Kolchak-Krasnov-Manerheim and * be embarrassed * of those who built, defended the SOVIET UNION.
        You find at least one mention of the SUPREME COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF JOSIF VISSARIONOVICH STALIN without liberal overshoots.
        But there is * Yeltsin Center * with a multi-million dollar budget and all sorts of kinA about the evil commissars-political workers and even more evil SMERSH NKVdeshniki.
      2. KERMET
        KERMET April 16 2022 10: 18
        +3
        Tricolors were handed out - it was an administrative initiative from above, at least in our city
      3. victor50
        victor50 April 16 2022 11: 24
        +2
        Quote: Region-25.rus
        So I walked around St. Petersburg and went nuts that 99% of the flags hung out by the townsfolk were ... (drumroll) tricolors!

        In some places they were handed out free of charge (in the villages of one district, at least in the Novgorod region), to every house, and they asked, almost demanded, to hang them out on Victory Day.
    4. Sergey Shpakov
      Sergey Shpakov April 16 2022 10: 22
      0
      The question is, is there such a Holiday on November 7 in the Russian Federation today !? The day of trying on essentially home-grown Bandera and Vlasov with a deceived and robbed population who had been ill with covid and an increased retirement age!
      1. Far B
        Far B April 17 2022 01: 37
        +2
        The question is, is there such a Holiday on November 7 in the Russian Federation today !? The day of trying on essentially home-grown Bandera and Vlasov with a deceived and robbed population
        Reconciliation Day - November 4, I don’t even welcome him with a hundred grams, even though it’s a day off. My holiday is November 7, and it’s not interesting what the authorities are doing there for the holidays, maybe they are celebrating Yeltsin’s birthday there in a cabal.
    5. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee April 16 2022 12: 48
      +12
      Quote: Dalny V
      I have. I raise on November 7 and on May 9.

      And this is my Red Flag! (original, not remake)
      1. volodimer
        volodimer April 16 2022 16: 59
        +10
        I also have a. In 96-98 hung on the mast. Primorye. The head of the base (a westerner) ran and shouted: take off immediately, the flag of a non-existent state ... He was simply sent by the forest. They announced that we were determining the direction of the wind from it ... Well, yes, yeah ...
        They removed it only because it was like a flag that hung over the reystag. It burned out, got worn out, now it’s lying at my house, I think it can be sealed in something. I keep it, I get it on May 9th. Now on a business trip, otherwise I would have presented a photo. USSR flag 1984 There is a factory marking on the edge.
        Namesake, watch out!
        Bender from red color, squirms like vampires from holy water. Therefore, I believe that it is not necessary to raise the tricolor over the liberated territories, but the flag of Victory.
    6. Vladimir Michailovich
      Vladimir Michailovich April 16 2022 20: 12
      +1
      well done Misha!!!!
    7. Aviator_
      Aviator_ April 18 2022 20: 06
      0
      I have. I raise on November 7 and on May 9.
      I also have a red banner of the Tabachnovsky village council of the Bakhchisaray district of the Republic of Crimea, which was handed to me in the early 90s.
  2. Sergey Averchenkov
    Sergey Averchenkov April 16 2022 05: 06
    +5
    "But these are subtleties that do not explain one thing, why did we, the descendants of heroes, so quickly forget our heritage? When did we get past the moment when the true symbols of the triumph and tragedy of our nation faded into the background?"
    Why was it suddenly forgotten? Who forgot? I didn't forget. Maybe youth? As for them, I can say ... they most likely do not know why they forgot.
    1. Mikhail Sidorov
      Mikhail Sidorov April 16 2022 05: 36
      +3
      Why was it suddenly forgotten? Who forgot? I didn't forget. Maybe youth? As for them, I can say ... they most likely do not know why they forgot.

      You haven't forgotten, I haven't forgotten. I officially left the age of youth, I am 36 years old. At work, I'll tell you, my colleagues, 50-60 years old, to put it mildly, know little about the Second World War. And what then to demand from their children.
      1. YOUR.
        YOUR. April 16 2022 08: 13
        -10
        You are lying.
        Because for you, 36-year-olds, the Great Patriotic War turned into a "WWII" - by analogy with the overseas "WW2". And yes, 36-year-olds are the children of 60-year-olds.
        1. Mikhail Sidorov
          Mikhail Sidorov April 16 2022 09: 07
          +3
          You are lying.
          Because for you, 36-year-olds, the Great Patriotic War turned into a "WWII" - by analogy with the overseas "WW2".

          I am writing the Second World War in abbreviated form, it’s more convenient, I was at work, work duties are distracting ...
          PS We are with you on you? If my memory serves me right, I have not yet drunk on brotherhood with you ...
          1. YOUR.
            YOUR. April 16 2022 09: 11
            -7
            Is it more convenient to abbreviate about the war, where tens of millions of compatriots died?
            This is where it all starts.
            And I'm more comfortable with "you".
            Moreover, in a language where they like to abbreviate, there is no other way of addressing, son.
            Are you offended again?
            My son is 36.
      2. Essex62
        Essex62 April 16 2022 08: 29
        +8
        50-60 year olds know little? How little is it? Will they not tell in detail about the tank clinch near Brody or the Vistula-Oder operation? So not historians. They know the most important thing, the main milestones of the Second World War, among all Soviet people, are recorded in the subcortex. At school, the very last loser, they stuck knowledge until they were fully assimilated. The historian at school was like a political instructor.
        1. Mikhail Sidorov
          Mikhail Sidorov April 16 2022 08: 51
          +2
          They know the most important thing, the main milestones of the Second World War, for all Soviet people, are written down in the subcortex.

          When was the last time you were in labor collectives? Communicated with people, with ordinary people...? I work at a metallurgical plant, now I'm driving home from work from the night shift. Just talked to people. What milestones of the Great Patriotic War are you talking about ... Many people don’t give a damn about the war in Ukraine ... And you are talking about some kind of subcortex ... Return to the real world ..
          1. Essex62
            Essex62 April 16 2022 17: 37
            0
            The fact that many now do not care, I believe. I've come across it more than once. I'm talking about "they don't know", people of my generation. Everyone knows. Purely technically, regardless of attitude to it.
  3. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx April 16 2022 05: 10
    +9
    When did we get past the moment when the true symbols of our nation's triumph and tragedy faded into the background?

    When they agreed to live in capitalist slavery and lack of rights. When they were afraid that for criticizing liberal values ​​and ... you can get real fines and terms ... Without explanation, without a fair trial, just by voicing some dubious value of a person ...
  4. Odysseus
    Odysseus April 16 2022 05: 23
    +20
    Yes, Grandma is a saint. She alone did more for our victory than all our propagandists put together.
    Simply because she told the truth and acted boldly and conscientiously.
  5. Mikhail Sidorov
    Mikhail Sidorov April 16 2022 05: 29
    +7
    Ukrainian militants, filming a video of mockery of the elderly, could not even imagine what effect it would have in Russia.
    The death of the Hero of Russia Roman Filipov is also remembered. Video from the scene of his last fight revealed the details of his feat.
  6. avia12005
    avia12005 April 16 2022 05: 48
    +9
    The term "SVO" should now be deciphered not as a "special military operation", but as a "strange military operation". Such inadmissible slowness and inconsistency of the Russian Federation in the conduct of hostilities does not lead to a decrease in losses on both sides, but to their increase.

    At the same time, for some reason, Western Ukraine, the source of Galician Nazism and Banderaism, remains almost intact. I'm not talking about the bridges and junction stations through which the armaments of the Armed Forces of Ukraine arrive. It seems that all decisions on the maintenance of the database should be made only by the commander of the operation without any regard for any political subtleties. Without this, the goals of the military defeat of Kyiv cannot be achieved.
    1. imerjak
      imerjak April 16 2022 06: 26
      -8
      You probably forgot what our enemies wanted from this operation, and even set the time? No, my friend, such a scenario is unacceptable for us! And that's why it's unacceptable. The curators and instructors of the Ukrainian terrorist formations trained their wards for combat operations in populated areas, and not for victories on the battlefields. The transoceanic owners of banderlogs need only one thing, to drown Ukraine in blood as much as possible and create a second Afghanistan out of it. This scenario is unacceptable to us. We need victory, not defeat. And victory will be ours!
      1. avia12005
        avia12005 April 16 2022 09: 19
        +8
        Hmm, I'm not your friend, and I haven't drunk on brotherhood with you yet. If you are serious and can’t say anything about the case, there’s nothing to say. Slogans cannot defeat them. Or do you work for Medinsky? smile
        1. imerjak
          imerjak April 16 2022 11: 02
          -6
          You are also a switchman, what can I talk about with you, a strange passenger ?! If you and people like you were listened to in the General Staff, they would have lost everything a long time ago (!)
          1. avia12005
            avia12005 April 16 2022 13: 07
            +4
            You are probably still a nachoper in the sofa General Staff, since you registered here only on March 8, 2022.
            1. imerjak
              imerjak April 16 2022 13: 12
              -4
              What does registration have to do with the question? What's the mess in your head?! It’s clear that you feed exclusively on positive likes here, and it doesn’t matter, as long as you feed!? laughing
              1. avia12005
                avia12005 April 17 2022 06: 39
                +1
                As for the porridge in your head, refer to yourself. In fact, such impudence and rudeness, as well as the fact that you only appeared here on March 8, says a lot.
                1. imerjak
                  imerjak April 17 2022 08: 22
                  -2
                  Why do you hate women so much? They don't give something or something ... - I don't even want to think about it!?
                  1. avia12005
                    avia12005 April 17 2022 08: 37
                    +2
                    Calm down and take a sedative. Get involved in community service.
                    1. imerjak
                      imerjak April 17 2022 09: 02
                      0
                      And you do not get sick!
                    2. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 April 17 2022 09: 19
                      +1
                      Quote: avia12005
                      Get involved in community service.

                      Soon there will be a Leninist communist subbotnik. I wonder how our bourgeois will designate it. Reconciliation of a shovel and a bucket?
    2. Doccor18
      Doccor18 April 16 2022 11: 05
      +2
      Quote: avia12005
      It seems that all decisions on the maintenance of the database should be made only by the commander of the operation without any regard for any political subtleties.

      The words are correct. But when was this? Politicians around the world have long "tied hand and foot" their generals...
  7. Fitter65
    Fitter65 April 16 2022 05: 58
    +13
    It turned out to be someone Viktor Aleksandrovich K., born in 1988.
    Someone K. The fact that the goat is already clear. Another thing is not clear, if you identified him, indicated the first name and patronymic year of birth, then why hide his last name. If someone is shy. so nothing terrible, we will understand "our people" ...
    1. Egoza
      Egoza April 16 2022 07: 08
      -1
      Quote: Fitter65
      if you identified him, indicated the first name and patronymic year of birth, then why hide his last name. If someone is shy. so nothing terrible, we will understand "our people" ...

      They are "embarrassed" that the people's avengers will be the first to get to him. And this OK "not democratic." Again, how will his family feel? After all, the neighbors will say everything in the eye, and even spit. It would be better to think about how these old people felt, God bless them!
      1. Fitter65
        Fitter65 April 16 2022 08: 56
        +3
        Quote: Egoza
        How will his family feel? After all, the neighbors will say everything in the eye, and even spit.

        How they will feel upon the arrival of our troops, I guess, but now they are definitely proud of the "courageous deed" of their vityushi. And the neighbors now, at best, will be jealous - what a fine fellow did not come down with the Red Banner, how he acted with the aggressor - a true patriot of Banderland. It is for us that he is a bastard and, and there he is "handsome". You have to clean and clean thoroughly.
  8. imerjak
    imerjak April 16 2022 06: 12
    +1
    The reformatting of the brains of our population began in the nineties and continued until recently, until the process was reversed. From the procession of the Immortal Regiment. It is not necessary to break a lot of mind, but to build ...!?
    1. Basil50
      Basil50 April 16 2022 08: 54
      +2
      * Reformatting * began with a coup when IOSIF VISSARIONOVICH STALIN was killed and Nikitka and his accomplices were brought to power.
      Immediately after the coup, the policemen-Bendera-Vlasovites-criminals were amnestied, declaring them *innocent*. In 1947, there were about a million inmates, but in 1955 more than two million people were already in prison. Who was planted? And how many were killed *with resistance*?
      The nineties, with lists of hundreds of millions of those who were shot, and the collapse of the SOVIET UNION is a consequence of the 1953 military coup.
      1. imerjak
        imerjak April 16 2022 11: 39
        +2
        Perhaps, but I can only speak of what my eyes and ears witnessed. The collapse of the USSR was the worst period in the history of Russia, and Gorbachev, Kuchma and Shevardnadze, traitors to the state that was called the USSR, are directly to blame for this. And the blood that has been shed in neighboring territories for more than 30 years is the result of the collapse of the USSR.
  9. north 2
    north 2 April 16 2022 06: 47
    +2
    now you have to be realistic and not deceive yourself, but you need to understand who and how many of them are there, who in this Ukraine are now the enemies of the Russian world and the enemies of Russia. Thirty years ago, in the ranks of the captain of the first rank of Yanychar, there were only three of them - among them the pubic bone captain of the third rank Ivanov ... For thirty years, those two and the pubic bone Ivanov have bred such a similar offspring that even NATO trusts them with their weapons, as an advanced legion in the struggle against the Russian world and against Russia. By the way, I do not exclude that after the failure of those two and the bones of the pubic captain of the third rank Ivanov, the sleeping enemy of the Russian world and Russia was not left in the ranks. It was his descendant, brought up by him, who could lay a charge in the artillery cellar of the cruiser Moscow ... By the way, are there full-time special officers on the flagships now? . During my service on the flagship of the DKBF "Sverdlov", I had my own full-time special officer. But another question - would the regular ship's special officer prevent Sablin's betrayal at the Storozhevoy BOD? After all, this traitor had been preparing for so long then. Perhaps so much
    the traitor on the cruiser "Moskva" was preparing for a long time now ...
  10. Sotskiy
    Sotskiy April 16 2022 07: 07
    +7
    And if we digress from this story and look at ourselves.

  11. Gendy
    Gendy April 16 2022 07: 24
    +2
    I quote the author "You will answer, lad, you will definitely answer, both for your grandmother and for the Banner of Victory" - I don’t know, but I would have presented that lad for a Russian award. And a considerable one. He alone, with one video, has done so much with his actions that hundreds of patriot bloggers cannot do it. And the award has already been issued. And do not hesitate to publicly announce it
    1. iz odessy
      iz odessy April 16 2022 08: 53
      +3
      but he’s right, on February 20, 2014 or 21, I don’t remember, at night, the burned and destroyed in Kyiv was still smoking, the corpses had not cooled down, the so-called. heavenly hundred, "representatives of Western Ukraine (this is a clarification for Solovyov lovers) according to fio farion (formerly an active member of the party committee of the CPSU of the University of Lviv), Kirilenko (a bastard from the same place), tyagnibok (a former paramedic of the USSR Armed Forces, a Komsomol member .. also from there the FIRST question of the Rada was made "liquidation of the regional Russian language". What is the result? That's right! They actually gave impetus to the secession of Crimea and the fire in the Donbass. They have merits before the Russian Federation as hundreds of "marmots", who then received not five kopecks of "salary"
    2. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 April 16 2022 21: 02
      -1
      Quote: Gendy
      I would have presented that lad for a Russian award. And a considerable one. He alone, in one video, has done so much with his actions that hundreds of patriot bloggers cannot do it. And the award has already been issued. And do not hesitate to publicly announce it

      And then the reward is taken away and imprisoned.
    3. Aviator_
      Aviator_ April 18 2022 20: 15
      +1
      and I would have presented that lad to the Russian award. And a considerable one. He alone, with one video, has done so much with his actions that hundreds of patriot bloggers cannot do it.
      This is from the same series as Lenin wrote about Stolypin, that with his reforms he brought the Revolution closer than all theorists from the RSDLP (including Lenin himself).
  12. Ros 56
    Ros 56 April 16 2022 07: 25
    +9
    And I would apply to our president with a request to award this woman with the Order of Courage, she, unlike many, deserves it.
  13. tatra
    tatra April 16 2022 07: 29
    +8
    Surrealism. Grandmother with the flag of the USSR has become a symbol of the military "non-war" of the anti-Soviet Russian Federation.
    1. ivan2022
      ivan2022 April 16 2022 07: 49
      +5
      And this is just the beginning. It's only the beginning!
    2. Boris55
      Boris55 April 16 2022 08: 41
      -7
      Quote: tatra
      anti-Soviet RF

      Do you understand the meaning of the word "Soviet"? If yes, then tell me when in the USSR power from the Soviets passed to the power of the party nomenklatura?

      Tip:
      Officially - "Brezhnev's constitution" Art.6.
      1. KERMET
        KERMET April 16 2022 10: 24
        +1
        The phrase "anti-Soviet RF" contains the opposite of the Soviet capitalist system of today's Russia
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 April 16 2022 10: 44
          -6
          Quote: KERMET
          The phrase "anti-Soviet RF" contains the opposite of the Soviet capitalist system of today's Russia

          The anti-Soviet country began to be built after the war, when most of the Bolsheviks were knocked out on the fronts of the Second World War, and in the rear, Trotskyists came to power with party cards in their pockets. In 1952, Stalin insisted that the CPSU (b) be renamed the CPSU, because. he saw the trends and did not want those who would come to continue to hide behind the backs of the Bolsheviks.

          Officially, the USSR was no longer Soviet since 1977. He was at the mercy of the party nomenklatura. It is for this reason that in the 90s the people did not defend the country that the Trotskyist communists had built.

          ps
          "Article 6. The leading and guiding force of Soviet society, the core of its political system, state and public organizations is the Communist Party Soviet Union. The CPSU exists for the people and serves the people.

          Armed with Marxist-Leninist teachings, The Communist Party defines general perspective of the development of society, the line internal and external USSR politics, Directs great creative activity Soviet people, gives a systematic scientifically substantiated character to his struggle for the victory of communism ... "

          The CPSU itself refused to hold global policy and enshrined it in its Constitution.
          1. KERMET
            KERMET April 16 2022 15: 42
            +2
            Thanks for the educational program, but the Russian Federation will not become less anti-Soviet from this
  14. Million
    Million April 16 2022 07: 56
    +13
    Will the mausoleum be hidden again on the upcoming Victory Day?
  15. AllXVahhaB
    AllXVahhaB April 16 2022 08: 11
    +2
    Viktor Alexandrovich K.

    Interesting surname - "K."
    1. ivan2022
      ivan2022 April 16 2022 08: 34
      +1
      The last name is the same. what you need is a surname .....
    2. Basil50
      Basil50 April 16 2022 09: 06
      0
      There are different surnames on the outskirts. I myself saw the surname - * Khristozolupenko * in the Khokhlyat passport. Then even a policeman with an absolutely serious face showed that passport to everyone, and not just witnesses of the seizure of drugs.
      Apparently, this character also has a surname like - * pubic bone *.
  16. iz odessy
    iz odessy April 16 2022 08: 37
    -1
    not an argument, for those affected by the "Solovyovshchina" that all of Ukraine is Bandera, is not an argument at all. 2014, when it was enough in May, recently drowned, to a greater extent, not at all by the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but by the "brilliant" naval commanders "of the Black Sea Fleet, the ship Moscow, to come to the Odessa Sea Terminal in order to completely direct history along a different, less bloody path, the loyal population was given away tearing to pieces and burning. Fear and fear, hopelessness, ... against the backdrop of "Crimea is ours." Ideology in relation to the enemy, smart is selection, the choice of objects for influence where the goal is to create, support the opposition, split its society. And what about such "consoliers" like nightingales? "Ukraine-Bandera, all". Dumb stupidity,
  17. parusnik
    parusnik April 16 2022 08: 50
    +6
    And invite them to the Victory Parade in Moscow on May 9th.
    And sit next to Lenin's mausoleum, boarded up with plywood. Which is done regularly. Since he is not the founder of the state that broke the back of Nazism, but a miner, he laid "bonbas" under the USSR, and others founded it: apparently Mannerheim, Kolchak, Denikin.
    one Viktor Aleksandrovich K., born in 1988.
    It grew up and was brought up in de-Sovietized Ukraine and there are more than one like him. And there are enough such de-Sovietized people in Russia too .. November 7 and December 30 are no longer holidays in the Russian Federation ... Are Bandera’s followers to blame for this?
    1. iz odessy
      iz odessy April 16 2022 09: 14
      -4
      you can see that on the forehead that on the forehead .. one. It's time, most, to start a discussion about the role of Lenin. De-Sovietized? At least from the edge, you understand that today the red flag is much more than the "Soviet" one, or what does it mean for 50% of the population of Ukraine, I don’t know for the Russian Federation --- the USSR? And healthy again ... before such "global conclusions" about the de-Sovietized, don't you want to wait and establish the place of birth "K"?
      1. parusnik
        parusnik April 16 2022 09: 24
        +8
        Well, yes, the Russian Federation defeated Nazism. And the Soviet flag was not for me today, it was always for me before the collapse and after. And for you, it turns out only today. About Lenin, "fine" our president said .. And about the discussion, I have nothing to discuss about Lenin, the creator of the state that broke the back of Nazism, is something wrong?
        1. iz odessy
          iz odessy April 16 2022 10: 56
          0
          try to understand the opinion - "now is not the time to start a discussion about the role of Lenin" - this is tantamount to undermining the cohesion of your Russian and part of our and large Ukrainian society. Not the time. What VVP said was again someone from the "surkovs" advised, my personal opinion. This discussion will break the remnants of unity - it's obvious. We still have a lot of former Soviet citizens and not a single one (except for freaks of leakers, like some deputies of the State Duma, - Russian. Estimate - on what, on what history and ideology can you find, if not brotherhood, then understanding?
          1. parusnik
            parusnik April 16 2022 11: 06
            +8
            What is the discussion about Lenin? Isn't he the founder of the Soviet state? Mannerheim? laughing Lenin, the creator of the Soviet state, a debatable question? laughing Didn't the Soviet state break the back of the Nazis? Also a matter of discussion? Not the Nazis demolished monuments to him on the territory of the USSR? For me, these questions are not debatable. It is an axiom.
            1. iz odessy
              iz odessy April 16 2022 12: 33
              -5
              "for you this question is not debatable" for you!! what do you not understand? it's about you and your society of many millions
          2. victor50
            victor50 April 16 2022 11: 38
            +5
            Quote from iz odey
            this is again one of the "surkovs" advised

            Where does he get such advisers (and only such)? laughing
      2. alekseykabanets
        alekseykabanets April 16 2022 09: 34
        +4
        Quote from iz odey
        At least from the edge, you understand that today the red flag is much more than the "Soviet"

        What is it like? The red flag is the symbol of the USSR, no more, no less! The fact that the anti-Soviet state of the Russian Federation is trying to use Soviet symbols is vile.
  18. asami1567
    asami1567 April 16 2022 09: 29
    0
    How to emerge victorious from an unequal duel with frostbitten Bandera?
    You don't know how? But it's elementary. Hang, hang and hang again. All lampposts must have at least one critter hanging from them. With signs, who and for what. For the betrayal of the Russian world. Moreover, the hanging must be public. So that every bastard sees and realizes that he has only two options, either he hangs himself, or he is in a noose.
  19. Murat
    Murat April 16 2022 10: 40
    +6
    Yes, half of us here are just as ready to trample on their flag: remember the same Olgovich.
  20. ananias mudishev
    ananias mudishev April 16 2022 11: 24
    +1
    I don’t understand one thing, we have 600 thousand contract soldiers, and there are no 100 thousand in Donbass. And why can’t you send at least 100 thousand more
  21. WWI
    WWI April 16 2022 12: 51
    0
    And you still reach out to the leadership of Ukraine.
  22. tech3030
    tech3030 April 16 2022 13: 08
    +5
    Grandma does not negotiate with banderlogs, unlike our government - do you feel the difference? Some have principles and some don't.
  23. Altmann
    Altmann April 16 2022 13: 42
    +1
    Older people also live in the countries of the former Warsaw Pact. Here you and Mr. Gorbachev deceived us. Today, Russia literally does not see our people, and we are left with only a handful of people who are also suffering. You must tow to the end. If you lose, we will consider it a betrayal. "Glory to the Russian Army". am
  24. magdama
    magdama April 16 2022 15: 33
    +2
    Are you saying Eastern Ukraine is pro-Russian? And who is fighting against Russia? Westerners, right? Yes, you can’t lure them to war with a roll. Russians are fighting Russians, like in 1919. And these scum near the grandmother are Russian. Only their soul is fascist.
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  26. Alex_Kravch
    Alex_Kravch April 16 2022 16: 45
    +6
    And how many remember the vile act of the clown and pseudo-patriot Zhirinovsky, publicly tearing the Soviet flag?
  27. Uncle AU
    Uncle AU April 16 2022 17: 55
    +7
    This grandmother went down in history as a winner; she is a successor to the glorious deeds of our ancestors who destroyed Nazism. But those who are negotiating with the Ukrainian Nazi government of Zelensky will cover themselves with shame.
    1. Gips
      Gips April 16 2022 20: 12
      0
      Those who negotiate (and from both sides) are antagonists to what such a symbol as the Red Revolutionary Banner of the victorious proletariat absorbs into itself. And no one needs to fantasize that the banner of Victory over the Reichstag is like some other banner, with a different meaning, with a different essence.
  28. Gips
    Gips April 16 2022 18: 15
    +2
    The Red Banner is, first of all, the revolutionary banner of the struggle of the working class for a communist society, and therefore for a society where there is a ban on exploitation and a ban on private ownership of the means of production. Are there such conditions in society? There are no such conditions. And what's more - the conditions are directly opposite, namely the capitalist, anti-Soviet regime. Not only did the bourgeoisie privatize the achievements of Soviet power, but even today they use red symbols for propaganda, thereby reducing its essence to zero.

    The red banner with the hammer and sickle always comes with the Bolshevik ideology. Under the red banner, the Soviet people not only defeated Nazi Germany and its allies. With this banner, the fighters of the Red Army drove out of the country the interventionists and the White Guard bastard, which they put on the shield today. With this banner, the Bolsheviks and the Soviet people conducted an educational program, created collective farms, built factories and factories, conquered space. You are simply fooling people in Ukraine that the Red Army is allegedly coming.
    For what purpose is this being done? It doesn't happen all of a sudden.

    Dialogue from 2020.
    - The most terrible thing that threatens us now is the "scoop" WITHOUT socialism: with portraits of leaders and kumachs with propaganda and TRP norms, with pioneers and rallies, but with oligarchs and billionaires, as well as whores and curchevels, drug dealers and other crap. The return of the "Soviet" form WITHOUT Soviet content, and alas, everything is heading towards this: to the pseudo-Soviet decor that covers the shame of capitalism, a banana republic without bananas into which the "collective Chubais" turns the country.

    Yes, there is such a danger. There are no fools sitting and calculating different options for the future, including different options for THEIR future. It is for these purposes that dummy figures are introduced into the game in advance, who, with the right slogans, gain popularity among the population and are engaged in competently stopping the protest energy of the masses and correcting it in the direction necessary for the customer.
    1. Apistograma
      Apistograma April 16 2022 19: 35
      +1
      I read and read the comments and did not understand anything. Such deep fabrications ... I understood only one thing - the Ukrainian Grandmother went out to the Russian (as she thought) soldiers with a red (flag) banner. ALL! On this point. She knew in her heart that she (the warriors) would be understood! I think the Russian soldiers would understand everything! Even if they are young. I am over fifty, and at school, when the conversation turned to the red banner, they always said that it was red ..... from the blood shed for the freedom of the Great Country. No one delved deeply into Bolshevism, socialism and communism. The red banner is the banner of Victory. Light over Dark. Good over bad. That's how Grandma carried it! And then they started .... then the Tricolor should not be worn next to the Banner of Victory, then even deeper .... I think everything will return, both the Red Banner and the prodigal sons. The main thing now is to survive soldier
      1. Gips
        Gips April 16 2022 20: 06
        +2
        It's not about the grandmother at all)), but about people like you, omnivores, without understanding bourgeois political economy, who are not aware of the class essence of ANY power.
        Bourgeois propaganda in this particular case creates in you a duality of consciousness with patriotic attempts to reconcile the irreconcilable - a very curious phenomenon in the political life of our society. It is very similar to a disease. Favorable conditions for the spread of this disease are created by the Russian ruling class, which actively appropriates the great achievements of the Land of Soviets (the Victory over Nazism, the successes of Soviet cosmonautics, Soviet science, Soviet culture, the Soviet military-industrial complex, etc.), embedding them into the paradigm of Russian bourgeois patriotism and this in every possible way emasculating the class proletarian anti-capitalist essence of the USSR.
        1. Apistograma
          Apistograma April 16 2022 20: 24
          0
          Probably you are all very smart, which we do not understand. Everything is easier in people's lives. An article about a grandmother, and not about "understanding bourgeois political economy, not aware of the class essence of ANY power recourse And the fact that the common people picked up this topic, and not the "Russian ruling class." Don't mess with people's heads.
          1. Gips
            Gips April 16 2022 20: 36
            +5
            Grandma, however, did not bear the tricolor)) Grandma, like me, once swore an oath to the proletarian state and did not betray it.
            It's easier for the general public. It's easier for the townspeople. It is easier for those who do not understand the historical meaning of the term "nation", which replaced the concept of "subject of such and such a feudal lord" when establishing a new type of slavery - economic. It is easier for those who do not know and do not want to know.
            For this very reason, they were able to kill the USSR, because someone wanted it easier, but got a war. The war in Ukraine is the result of the restoration of capitalist RELATIONS of private property. Prosh will never be, neither for you personally, nor for everyone else. It will not work, you will either stand up for the national interests of corporation owners, or perish in future military events, or remember what the Red Banner is and choose your side consciously.

            The red banner is a symbol of completely different production, socio-economic RELATIONS than we have.
            1. Apistograma
              Apistograma April 16 2022 20: 57
              +1
              Where did my grandmother in Ukraine have Tricolor belay Grandma brought out a symbol (which would best indicate her position)! At the moment, she associated this symbol with the Russians. She (like most of us) is not up to your revolutionary fabrications hi
              1. Gips
                Gips April 16 2022 21: 06
                +1
                In fact, you have a bad idea of ​​what it means to have a red flag at home in Ukraine))) In fact, this act of a granny (safety of the flag) is a DIRECT mortal risk.
                By the way, the granny did not meet nationalists. She wouldn't survive something like that.
          2. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 April 16 2022 21: 16
            +3
            Quote from Apistograma
            An article about a grandmother, and not about "understanding bourgeois political economy, who are not aware of the class essence of ANY government And that the common people picked up this topic, and not the" Russian ruling class ". Do not stir up people's heads.

            Well, well ... But from Ivashov's interview:
            Our trip ended in Sevastopol at the Vernadsky University (now the Crimean Federal University), where we held a joint conference with the Crimeans. We talked a lot about how we have been waiting for the reunification of Russia and Crimea for 23 years. And then the wise head of the Department of History, Doctor of Historical Sciences, summed up: “Dear electors, we have been waiting for this hour to return to Russia. But we had the idea that we would return to Soviet Russia.”

            https://www.busine-gazeta.ru/article/539470
  29. Yuri Vishnevetsky-Koribut
    Yuri Vishnevetsky-Koribut April 16 2022 18: 45
    -1
    Work, brothers!
  30. gunnady
    gunnady April 16 2022 18: 46
    -3
    Here, it seems, the Military Review is a potreotic portal, but the local guardians for the fatherland have a peculiar understanding of love for the Motherland, equating it with love for the red flag and Lenin's mummy.
    And judging by the comments, if a strong communist state appeared somewhere and announced a crusade (crossed out) Marxist-Leninist campaign against "anti-Soviet" Russia, the local sufferers of the red flag would go on a campaign in full force to cleanse the homeland occupied by the capitalists from filth.
    1. Gips
      Gips April 16 2022 20: 25
      +1
      Just do not need insinuations that they went through an excellent school of anti-communism propaganda under the Imperial Ministry of Propaganda.

      NEVER in the history of the communists did not arrange "crusades" campaigns. To no one. Everything was exactly the opposite in historical practice. And under different banners against Red.
      In historical practice, there was just a crusade of Russian fascists-Black Hundreds, liberals = White Guards, Democrats-White Guards, Russian nationalists against EXACTLY the red banner. And twice. And all the time in an embrace with European, Asian and American allies.

      No need for insinuations, dear.
  31. sent26
    sent26 April 16 2022 20: 18
    +3
    I run a small provincial museum where I conduct open lessons on various topics for all age groups of schoolchildren.
    I’m talking about fascism, Nazism, and just a video about a grandmother with a flag is the final lesson. How else?
    On one side, Makarevich, Litvinova, Khamatova, on the other, there are such grandmothers. Grandmothers have strength and truth.
  32. 16112014nk
    16112014nk April 16 2022 21: 09
    +3
    That's interesting, will they hammer the Mausoleum with plywood again this year on May 9?
    Or will the human authorities show something?
    1. Gips
      Gips April 16 2022 21: 26
      +1
      Here it is the question of all the questions for this article: how does the Russian bourgeois nail down the Lenin Mausoleum on May 9 differ from the Bandera trample on the Red Flag?
  33. p0pulivox
    p0pulivox April 16 2022 21: 15
    0
    Quote: GIPS
    Just do not need insinuations that they went through an excellent school of anti-communism propaganda under the Imperial Ministry of Propaganda.
    NEVER in the history of the communists did not arrange "crusades" campaigns. To no one. Everything was exactly the opposite in historical practice. And under different banners against Red.
    In historical practice, there was just a crusade of Russian fascists-Black Hundreds, liberals = White Guards, Democrats-White Guards, Russian nationalists against EXACTLY the red banner. And twice. And all the time in an embrace with European, Asian and American allies.
    No need for insinuations, dear.

    I fully agree! And in the comments to this article I will repeat my answer regarding the national-historical extremes expressed in the following messages (more appropriate here than in "that" topic):
    Rostock
    For some reason, in the Russian Empire, the tsars were engaged in the Russification of the national outskirts. But the Bolsheviks decided that the people of Little Russia needed Ukrainization. That Ukrainians and not Russians should be put in leadership positions, and that in general the Ukrainian nation has never been a fiction. Yes, and the Russian land, our blood paid for them to give. An extremely irresponsible, short-sighted act, if not criminal.

    Rostock
    In the Republic of Ingushetia, during the census of the population, such a people as Ukrainians did not exist in principle. There was none in the world. It didn't exist at all until World War I.

    Rostock
    Right. But there was an absolute majority of the Orthodox. And as John of Kronstadt said - Russian means Orthodox, Orthodox means monarchist. And Ukrainianism is a product of the activities of the Austro-Hungarian and German General Staffs for the destruction of Russian statehood. The Bolsheviks, speaking for peace with the enemy, also supported the Ukrainian project. Whites in particular Denikin were categorically against any Ukrainian statehood. Read what Drozdovsky writes about Ukrainians following the results of the Iasi-Don campaign. Calls them unbridled gangs for which there is no respect.

    These are probably sincere comments, but even so, there is a clear mixture of the views of the Black Hundreds and anti-Soviet nationalists. In fact, these quotes are almost a mirror image of crazy Ukrainian historical myths; we can safely say: rivals worthy of each other "fight" on the Internet ...
    And yes, apparently Belarusians are also "fake", won't you pity them?!
    These comments are relatively/conditionally decent, it's even more interesting to read some of the "denazifiers" here who have thinly veiled extreme right views. Probably they are real "patriots" - admirers of the former well-known "patriots" of Russia - Ilyin, Krasnov and Vlasov ...
    1. Gips
      Gips April 16 2022 22: 01
      0
      Yes. And the most curious thing is that the "denazifiers" do not realize the meaning of the term, they propose to "denazify" Ukraine by the "Russian world". They do not understand that the "Russian world" is a veiled policy of class consolidation with the poison of nationalism, which is in fact a "bundle" in the classical presentation.
      How would they know that historically the most effective ways to fool the masses were: nationalism, religion, democracy.

      They say that "the church is the basis of the birth of the Russian world and Russian civilization, the church has always been with the Russian people throughout history"

      There is no "Russian world" and "Russian civilization" in the objective world, just as there is no Turkish, Ukrainian, European or other world.

      In the objective world there is a class society where the ruling class (including priests) pass off their narrow class interests as common ones, calling it, for example, the "Russian world".

      Any communist can only wish ANY Nazi to die. But the trick is that not every national patriot is a Nazi, but any Nazi is born from a national patriot under special favorable conditions, it is enough for such a national patriot to go over the ears with bourgeois propaganda about the special role of his nation in relation to the rest and that his homeland is in danger. And if a communist is initially an antagonist of the Nazis in his views, then from a national patriot to a Nazi there is only one step.

      And further. Lenin and the Bolsheviks created SOVIET Ukraine and SOVIET Russia. Neither the BOURGEOIS Ukraine, nor the BOURGEOIS Russia - neither the Bolsheviks have anything to do, nor the national patriots of these bourgeois countries have nothing to do with the USSR and its victories.


      Denazifiers))
  34. AdAstra
    AdAstra April 16 2022 22: 16
    +1
    And yet the Red Flag, not the Vlasov tricolor.
  35. Victor Dubovitsky
    Victor Dubovitsky April 16 2022 22: 28
    -1
    It turns out that you can love the Motherland without words. It is so simple!
  36. Victor Dubovitsky
    Victor Dubovitsky April 16 2022 22: 30
    -6
    Quote from AdAstra
    And yet the Red Flag, not the Vlasov tricolor.

    Blockhead. The symbol here is not even a banner. The symbol is ACT. You are not mature enough to understand this, You are not capable of such a thing. The color is more important to you than the essence. Star dreamer. Brainless. Mold.
    1. AdAstra
      AdAstra April 18 2022 09: 38
      0
      But the flag is still red hi
  37. Victor Dubovitsky
    Victor Dubovitsky April 16 2022 22: 35
    -5
    Quote: GIPS
    Here it is the question of all the questions for this article: how does the Russian bourgeois nail down the Lenin Mausoleum on May 9 differ from the Bandera trample on the Red Flag?

    Then you figure out how the dictatorship of the nation differs from the dictatorship of the class. Which is worse. And, if you manage to slowly understand, it will turn out that the dictatorship of the class is an order of magnitude worse. Both of these phenomena should be condemned and anathematized.
    1. Gips
      Gips April 16 2022 23: 06
      +4
      Here on this site, even class enemies refer to each other respectfully and to "you".
      This is your first note. Judging by the avatar, you are an adult, and such rhetoric gives you a kid from the yard. Not very worthy.))
      Now to the point.
      The "dictatorship of the nation" is your invention, and you yourself do not understand your own words.
      I explain the class essence of your fiction.

      The concept of "homeland" is not a scientific term, but an ideologeme. This is a term with a vague meaning and emotional overtones. Everyone under this concept understands something of their own. Someone "birches and mountain ash", someone "army and navy", and someone in general Bender or Vlasov ..

      So, historically, the concept of NATION arose along with the formation of national markets and national states, which was a certain stage in the development of capitalism.

      If, under the feudal system, people identified themselves on the basis of serving the master (a subject of such and such), then in the process of the formation of national markets and states, the ruling class divided people into “nations”. And he called the territory of residence of people of one “nation” “motherland” or “fatherland”.

      There are no objective contradictions among "nations", they exist only among classes within one nation. But there are VERY many contradictions between the capitalists of different nations due to competition.
      The capitalists resolve such contradictions, as a rule, by force of arms. At the same time, due to their small number, they fight each other not on their own, but with the hands of their working masses. And in order to convince these working masses that they are allegedly shedding blood not for the interests of the capitalists (protecting the profits of the capitalist), but, allegedly, for their own interests, the bourgeoisie introduced into the mass consciousness the idea of ​​the need to "protect national interests."

      That is, historically, "motherland" or "fatherland" is the place where the property of the ruling class is located; and their protection is the protection of precisely these capitals.

      Since the proletarian masses have no capital, and they only sell their labor power, Marx wrote in The Communist Manifesto that the proletarians have no fatherland.
      As a result of the October Revolution, the proletariat took over political power and the means of production. That is, the proletariat has something that needs to be defended - a socialist fatherland, homeland.

      After the bourgeois counter-revolution of 1991, the working class again lost its homeland, having lost ownership of the means of production. That is, now the proletarians again have no fatherland.

      Accordingly, your "dictatorship of the nation" is no different from the concept of a fascist regime.

      You are more careful with the terms indulge.
    2. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 April 17 2022 09: 12
      +1
      Quote: Victor Dubovitsky
      what is the difference between the dictatorship of the nation and the dictatorship of the class. Which is worse. And, if you manage to slowly understand, it will turn out that the dictatorship of the class is an order of magnitude worse.

      Yeah, the dictatorship of the class drives into a sharashka, and the dictatorship of the nation is just in the gas chambers. Where are you better?
  38. Victor Dubovitsky
    Victor Dubovitsky April 16 2022 23: 40
    -2
    Quote: GIPS
    Here on this site, even class enemies refer to each other respectfully and to "you".
    This is your first note. Judging by the avatar, you are an adult, and such rhetoric gives you a kid from the yard. Not very worthy.))
    Now to the point.
    The "dictatorship of the nation" is your invention, and you yourself do not understand your own words.
    I explain the class essence of your fiction.

    The concept of "homeland" is not a scientific term, but an ideologeme. This is a term with a vague meaning and emotional overtones. Everyone under this concept understands something of their own. Someone "birches and mountain ash", someone "army and navy", and someone in general Bender or Vlasov ..

    So, historically, the concept of NATION arose along with the formation of national markets and national states, which was a certain stage in the development of capitalism.

    If, under the feudal system, people identified themselves on the basis of serving the master (a subject of such and such), then in the process of the formation of national markets and states, the ruling class divided people into “nations”. And he called the territory of residence of people of one “nation” “motherland” or “fatherland”.

    There are no objective contradictions among "nations", they exist only among classes within one nation. But there are VERY many contradictions between the capitalists of different nations due to competition.
    The capitalists resolve such contradictions, as a rule, by force of arms. At the same time, due to their small number, they fight each other not on their own, but with the hands of their working masses. And in order to convince these working masses that they are allegedly shedding blood not for the interests of the capitalists (protecting the profits of the capitalist), but, allegedly, for their own interests, the bourgeoisie introduced into the mass consciousness the idea of ​​the need to "protect national interests."

    That is, historically, "motherland" or "fatherland" is the place where the property of the ruling class is located; and their protection is the protection of precisely these capitals.

    Since the proletarian masses have no capital, and they only sell their labor power, Marx wrote in The Communist Manifesto that the proletarians have no fatherland.
    As a result of the October Revolution, the proletariat took over political power and the means of production. That is, the proletariat has something that needs to be defended - a socialist fatherland, homeland.

    After the bourgeois counter-revolution of 1991, the working class again lost its homeland, having lost ownership of the means of production. That is, now the proletarians again have no fatherland.

    Accordingly, your "dictatorship of the nation" is no different from the concept of a fascist regime.

    You are more careful with the terms indulge.

    To respect a snob who selflessly chirps to his own delight and who has not read the classics of the revolutionary struggle is to speak with a pile of manure. Have a BASIS for reasoning. As for the avatar and years, honestly written in the profile. Earn the same data. I have always been suspicious of gypsies.
    1. Gips
      Gips April 17 2022 00: 59
      +3
      You read my comment well)))
  39. Living7111972
    Living7111972 April 16 2022 23: 47
    +2
    Why did you decide that this is a symbol of the liberation of Ukraine? No, the symbolism is much deeper here! It is a symbol of the liberation of all! This flag unites our whole world!
  40. Victor Dubovitsky
    Victor Dubovitsky April 17 2022 11: 49
    -1
    Quote: mordvin xnumx
    Quote: Victor Dubovitsky
    what is the difference between the dictatorship of the nation and the dictatorship of the class. Which is worse. And, if you manage to slowly understand, it will turn out that the dictatorship of the class is an order of magnitude worse.

    Yeah, the dictatorship of the class drives into a sharashka, and the dictatorship of the nation is just in the gas chambers. Where are you better?

    Think first. The dictatorship of the nation unites the nation. Aggression is directed outside the country, and the result MAY (not a fact) is the conquest of a new space,
    territory, treasures of neighbors. Losses during conquests are counted only on their own (one side). The birthplace of nationalism is Israel. who came up with a God-bearing nation that stands out from all the rest, making the rest subhuman. Goyami. Those who did not want to obey this drove the authors into oblivion for 2000 years, ruined and punished for this, turning the god-bearers into pariahs. The repetition of history was more than once, and with different actors.
    Now the dictatorship of the proletariat. Class society is everywhere. And proletarians, numerous or few, are everywhere. According to Marx, this is a class that has nothing but its own chains and that will conquer the whole world. The aggression of the class is directed inland. Tears it apart, leading to a civil war in which there is no winner. Your own country is being ruined, your own treasures are being destroyed. There can be no new acquisitions, territories. Losses on both sides are all our own. They need to be added. United, world proletarian. The united proletarian of Europe kicked the Soviet proletarian everything that could be kicked. Another chimera of communist propaganda. I first said that both phenomena are from the devil and are subject to destruction. You don't know about gas chambers. . The red commander Tukhachevsky used gas against his own peasants, who raised an uprising under the leader of Antonov. In the Volga region. Affectionate destruction of 12 million OWN in the Civil War.
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 April 17 2022 19: 45
      +1
      Quote: Victor Dubovitsky
      You don't know about gas chambers. . The red commander Tukhachevsky used gas against his own peasants, who raised an uprising under the leader of Antonov.

      Remember Kolchak too. What was there under Antonov, remind.
  41. Nikolay1971
    Nikolay1971 April 17 2022 15: 27
    +2
    For those who have forgotten, I want to remind you how suddenly the St. George ribbon became a symbol of Victory. It was carefully planted as a substitute for the red Banner of Victory. I have nothing against the Guards ribbon, but it has an indirect relation to victory in the Second World War. We have our own decommunization here, panimash. ..
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  43. don-1500
    don-1500 April 17 2022 16: 10
    -1
    A symbol of the liberation of Ukraine? Well, well ... We'll see, this year, will the mausoleum be draped or not? Of course, it’s unlikely, but if the president had accepted the parade on May 9 on the podium of the mausoleum, then this grandmother would become a symbol of true
  44. UAZ 452
    UAZ 452 April 17 2022 19: 00
    +1
    It's good that Ukrainian grandmothers, who remember the Victory, support the NWO!
  45. Victor Dubovitsky
    Victor Dubovitsky April 17 2022 20: 36
    0
    Quote: mordvin xnumx
    Quote: Victor Dubovitsky
    You don't know about gas chambers. . The red commander Tukhachevsky used gas against his own peasants, who raised an uprising under the leader of Antonov.

    Remember Kolchak too. What was there under Antonov, remind.

    Truth is not transmitted. She comprehends. Finding information today is not difficult. You don’t even need to buy a subscription to the library and go there far away. I tell you, you write nonsense. To prove in this case is not to respect yourself. Find, read, evaluate the quality - fake - not fake, and this will become your conviction.
  46. Alex66
    Alex66 April 19 2022 11: 45
    -1
    But aren’t we distorting history by hiding the mausoleum at the May 9 parade, are we ashamed of something? Or he interferes with someone, reminding that the people took power into their own hands and lived without exploiters and were masters in their country. According to the constitution, the people are now the master.
  47. Songwolf
    Songwolf April 26 2022 18: 03
    0
    There is one solution for Ukraine! It was voiced by our President. But whether he forgot about it, no one talks about it in the media anymore, but our people don’t forget anything. The President said that if Ukraine twitches, then there will be a question about the statehood of Ukraine.
    Mr. President! Words must be kept, not negotiated with the Nazis! The State of Ukraine in History has never been and should not be!