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"Nuremberg-2" for the Communists as a new method of struggle against Nazism

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It's all very easy to figure out when it is black and hot, good and evil, cold and hot. However, not always, even using all those sense organs and minds that nature has bestowed on man, one can understand what this or that phenomenon represents that has grown on Russian soil. One of these controversial recent issues is the fight against Nazism and fascism, which are manifested to one degree or another on the territory of Russia.

We can say, well, what is there to understand: there are fascist scumbags who trampled on the memory of our ancestors and now appear on the streets, attacking objectionable and writing walls with chauvinist slogans with the indispensable signature “88”; and there are people who, apart or within some kind of intra-social integration, try to fight with such scumbags, to resist the manifestation of the new brown threat in the country, which at one time smashed this threat to pieces.

Apparently, until recently, the Russian Foreign Ministry also believed, therefore, he allowed himself to allocate substantial grants to public organizations that self-position as ideological fighters against the Nazi evil. But it turned out that not everything is so simple in this world. The scandal broke out where it least expected.

The Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs is a grantor for such a public organization as the international human rights movement “MBN (World without Nazism)”. Already by its name, this movement makes it clear that it is struggling with Nazism, and therefore it can fully count on financial assistance from the foreign ministry of a country that has its own Nazism and fascism. historical abacus.

So, quite recently, a program was passed through one of the Latvian television channels, in which very interesting remarks were made by the deputy chairman of the movement “World without Nazism”. This man’s name is Valery Engel, and they invited him to a Latvian TV channel to comment on the opening of a monument to Latvian SS legionnaires in the Latvian town of Bauska.

As befits a functionary of a social movement aimed at fighting Nazism, Mr. Engel at first extensively discussed the subject of the fact that so-called state Nazism was cultivated in Latvia, which, in his opinion, is obviously unacceptable. But behind the lengthy conversations Valery Viktorovich unexpectedly declared that, by and large, the crimes of communism, which served as the ideology of the Land of Soviets, were absolutely no different from the crimes of Hitlerism, which means that it is necessary for the communists-criminals to conduct their own analogue of the Nuremberg process. This personal opinion of a single gentleman could have been completely ignored, but Engel in the program of the Latvian television was represented by the public organization World Without Nazism, and not his modest persona in person. Moreover, just a couple of minutes before announcing the need to convene Nuremberg-2, Mr. Engel said that one cannot put a sign of identity between communism and fascism ...

In this regard, the speech of Valery Engel makes a strange impression. Apparently, pointing out that the sign of identity is not appropriate, Valery Viktorovich wanted to demonstrate his loyalty to the official Russian position, because, after all, MBN works, among other things, on grants from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation. But then Mr Engel, either forgetting what he spoke a moment before, or forgetting that he is not represented on the screen by a private person, said that he was completely convinced that the Communists should be judged as well as the Nazis the rules of the Nuremberg Tribunal. Striking inconsistency in a single transfer.

Suppose that at the moment when Engel spoke the words about Nuremberg-2 for communist criminals, he expressed his own point of view and nothing. But in this case, this public figure, obviously, should understand that spreading this kind of idea is uniquely aimed at a public explosion in Russia. Moreover, Nuremberg-2, about which Valery Engel spoke, will serve as a pretext for new financial and territorial claims against Russia, as to the successor of the USSR, from a number of states that consider themselves to be victims of communism. It turns out that within the framework of one program, the deputy chairman of the “World without Nazism” movement managed to stigmatize the Latvian state Nazism and at the same time give this kind of policy a chance to catch its fish in the dark water in terms of new accusations against Russia. After all, it is obvious that the same West is always ready to put an equal sign between the USSR of the Stalin era and modern Russia. And for the Russian opposition it will be a gift of unheard-of generosity from where they didn’t expect at all.

For obvious reasons, even the talk about Nuremberg-2 for Stalin’s criminals is an excellent reason to request payment from Russia “for moral damage” from any country of the former socialist bloc, as well as from the former Soviet republics. As it was said, they got it from Germany, why not take the opportunity to get it from Russia, especially since such a thought is expressed by a Russian citizen, a public figure, a person who, through the organization "MBN", is financially supporting the Russian foreign affairs agency. It turns out that such a struggle against Nazism happens ...

Obviously, to somehow isolate the MBN from what Mr. Engel, head of the World Without Borders movement, Boris Spiegel, has said on Latvian television, hastened to publish material that carries the idea of ​​convening the new Nuremberg process. In particular, Mr. Spiegel writes:

We believe that the calls to convene the “Nuremberg Tribunal” over communism are aimed primarily at separating European states, undermining the European security system. MTD “World without Nazism” supports good-neighborly relations between European countries for their closest cooperation in all areas of human activity.

The international human rights movement “A World without Nazism”, on the eve of an international assembly in the city of Strasbourg, considers any statements made about the need to hold the Nuremberg Trials on Communism, provocative, designed to disrupt an important event for the world and European human rights movement.


After such a statement, it becomes completely unclear how two people with so diametrically opposed views direct one social movement ... One sees the root of evil both in Nazism and communism, the other declares that the “World without Nazism” regards such statements as provocation.

By the way, to all the above, it is worth adding an interesting remark by Valery Engel, which is published on the MBN website. He, reflecting on the opposition rally on Sakharov Avenue in 2011, says, in particular, the following:

My first reaction is that if Putin leaves tomorrow and those who spoke on 24 on the square (Tor, Krylov, Akunin, Nemtsov, “VO”) come to power, first, they will distort themselves because they have no ideology, and secondly, they will tear the country apart.


Ideology, apparently, Engel does not see the opposition, but judging by his statements on Latvian television, there is no such (ideology) that the MBN movement has. It is no longer clear who the ideology is actually the ideological movement, whose deputy leader is Valery Engel: against the Nazis, the Communists, the opposition, or simply creates the appearance of social activity, mastering state funding and not really worrying about the consequences of his work ...
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  1. Averias
    Averias 2 October 2012 08: 36
    +10
    A proverb comes to mind - And eat a fish and ..... well, then you yourself are in the know. Another bastard and Judas hypocritical. Lives on the principle of both ours and yours - and it’s better for me and only me.
    1. mongoose
      mongoose 2 October 2012 12: 25
      +1
      I wonder who should be considered communists? between the sloths-Trotskyists and the Stalinists the difference in size to the abyss! crimes of the communist regime? Is it when Jews, Latvians and other foreigners were the core of the organized genocide of the Russian people under the banner of the Jew Marx?
  2. Che
    Che 2 October 2012 08: 40
    0
    Obviously, in order to somehow isolate the MBN from what Mr. Engel, the head of the World Without Borders movement, Boris Shpigel, hastened to publish material that completely carried away the idea of ​​convening a new Nuremberg process on Latvian television.

    If the Russian Foreign Ministry gives them money, then where is he looking. Why didn’t they call the carpet after such a crap.
  3. FREGATENKAPITAN
    FREGATENKAPITAN 2 October 2012 09: 07
    +4
    The surname would be Ivanov .... I would also have thought about what he was talking about ...
    Let him watch the film "Communist", maybe he will understand something in life .........
    The criminals were, are and will be under any regime ......
  4. erased
    erased 2 October 2012 09: 10
    +3
    Everything is clear here. Someone really needs to make communism a monster. Moreover, with a view to the future, and not to the past.
    But why does the authorities allow this? Or does she need it?
    1. SHILO
      SHILO 2 October 2012 14: 34
      +3
      erased (3)
      Everything is clear here. Someone really needs to make communism a monster.


      Good observation. yes
  5. Argonaut
    Argonaut 2 October 2012 09: 35
    +12
    The most correct thing would be to arrange Nuonberg-3 over the entire liberal-capitalist system as a whole. Behind capitalism there is such a bunch of crimes against humanity that no other system stood by.
  6. borisst64
    borisst64 2 October 2012 09: 49
    +12
    Nits creep on the Baltic. It would be better if they remembered Hiroshima from Nagasaki and the burnt Dresden. Or here is an example:

    resurrects in my memory the distant February evening of 1945 in the Crimea. I, at that time a young anti-occult scientist, was invited to one of the aftopati allies. Standing with brandy, surrounded by a variety of diplomats, spies who think they are journalists, and journalists who think they are spies, I closely watched the chuckling trio of winners. Someone beside me sighed and said: "I don't understand how they can talk with this executioner of peoples."

    I turned around. The speaker was dark-skinned and bespectacled - later I visited him at Bombay University several times to exchange experiences.

    “You yourself understand, my dear, that I am not ready to keep up the conversation about my leader in this tone.” I answered.

    - And here is your leader? - the Indian was surprised. - I'm talking about Churchill.

    I was also surprised: I only knew about Churchill that he was an uncle who smokes cigars, drinks cognac and educates a bulldog, and also that Hitler defeated him and came up with Winnie the Pooh.

    But the doctor told me that the real Churchill is somewhat broader than his image. He told me about the recent famine in Bengal (1943), which killed between 1,5 and 2,5 million people - and the British authorities prevented the starving from fleeing to more prosperous areas. “When Churchill became Deputy Minister for Colonial Affairs at the beginning of the century, the Empire stopped publishing data on the victims of famine. But under him only we in India had several famines - millions died, up to 80 million people starved,” said Dr. Kumar. "But he started with the blood of innocents, he is no stranger to it."
  7. 8 company
    8 company 2 October 2012 10: 23
    +6
    It is absolutely impossible to judge the communist system, communism as a concept, because by now this concept has been smeared out, degenerated into forms that are completely opposite to the original meaning. And the original forms had a distorted meaning. For example, such a concept as "dictatorship of the proletariat" - it has never been implemented. In all coma and socialist countries, the party-bureaucratic elite ruled, led by a brutal leader, which crushed everyone in a row, including the proletarians. Or such a concept as "public ownership of the means of production" - this also never existed, never in any country did society manage enterprises. This was done by the state in the person of the same ruling party-bureaucratic elite headed by the leader. And the state and society are different concepts. The best example of the complete collapse of the classical communist idea is the existence of two communist systems side by side: North Korea and the PRC. Like communists, but completely different in everything. The Chinese communists have cleared their brains and are moving forward, the Korean ones are stuck in their ideological swamp. In principle, only specific people can be tried for specific crimes.
    1. mongoose
      mongoose 2 October 2012 12: 26
      -2
      often foreign leader and on the bayonets of foreigners
  8. Kars
    Kars 2 October 2012 10: 28
    +5
    By the way, tsarism is not too late to condemn.
    On September 5, after the Samson catastrophe, there was an acute crisis with rifles, and behind it by the end of the year there was a shell hunger that literally frustrated military operations: the decision of the Russian Headquarters to withdraw the army to pp in December. Ravka and Bzura, and in Galicia on the river. Dunayets was prompted by a lack of armed replenishment and artillery shells. Inconsistencies between the stockpiles of war and the demands of the war also affected all other belligerent powers in 1914, but the smooth operation of industry in the large states of Western Europe allowed them to more easily overcome this phenomenon. In Russia, in 1915, it turned out to be one of the main reasons for the retreat of its armies deep into the border strip. ”

    However, the figures [4] are more eloquent than the lines of memoirs.

    Name of guns Number of shots spent
    16 mm light and mountain cannons 28 615 000
    114 mm English and 122 mm howitzers 3
    107 mm guns 608
    120 mm guns 10
    152 mm guns 90
    152 mm Kane guns 15
    152 mm howitzers 1
    203 mm howitzers 39 100
    280 mm howitzers 1670
    305 mm howitzers 5200
    Total 34 167 570


    The table shows the consumption for 1914-1916, but even taking into account the consumption in 1917, the total consumption did not exceed 50 million shots.

    “If we compare the consumption of shells of Russian artillery with the rate of shots of former allies and opponents of Russia, it turns out that Russian artillery spent relatively few shots during the World War II.

    Indeed, during the war of 1914-1918. total shots were consumed:

    France

    75 mm caliber about 163 million shots

    155 mm caliber about 28 million shots

    Germany

    All calibers about 271 533 000 shots [5]

    Including: approximately 156 000 mm, 000 77 cm, 67 000 cm and 000 10,5 cm

    England

    All calibers about 170 386 000 shots

    Including: approximately 99 000 mm cannon, 000 76 mm howitzer, 25 000 mm howitzer, etc.

    Austria-Hungary

    About 70 million shots of all calibers ”[000].

    Ponder these figures: France spent the same heavy 155-mm “suitcases” as much as Russia did three-inch lightweight, England only spent 114 mm and 152 mm heavy almost 40% more than Russia of shells of all calibers, and the Germans again heavy shells alone are 3,5 times more than Russia of all. Even the "backward" Austria-Hungary, which fought mainly against Russia, and only against part of its army, used up 2 times more shells than Russia.

    1. 8 company
      8 company 2 October 2012 10: 47
      -4
      Quote: Kars
      By the way, tsarism is not too late to condemn.


      Do not whimper, tsarism did not retreat to the Volga, even Belarus did not surrender. And under the Bolsheviks, the Germans, 2 weeks after the start of the war, were near Pskov and Smolensk.
      1. Kars
        Kars 2 October 2012 10: 53
        +4
        Quote: Company 8
        tsarism did not back down to the Volga

        Well, France didn’t give up in 1914 as it did in 1940. But tsarism did everything so that more soldier’s blood would be spilled, the shells were expensive, money for balarin would not be enough.
        Quote: Company 8
        2 weeks after the start of the war were near Pskov and Smolensk.

        But the USSR ended the war in Berlin, and Nicholas 2 in the basement.

        Well, what about your shell ratio? You say shell hunger was flush with it?
        1. 8 company
          8 company 2 October 2012 10: 58
          -1
          Quote: Kars
          But the USSR ended the war in Berlin, and Nicholas 2 in the basement.


          The humanist was too much Nikolasha, the Bolsheviks sent traitors to the national interests of Russia by links, they ate there again and again for subversive work. Had it been tougher, and he would have won the war with the Entente, the Germans honestly had no chance to win, so they Lenin and his pack and sent to Russia.
          1. Kars
            Kars 2 October 2012 12: 35
            0
            Quote: Company 8
            Be harder

            Is this something with their uncles and nephews? Who lived in Nice for the Balyarins Knishinsky palaces built, included in corruption schemes with the French from Schneider and slowed down the progress in artillery? ..

            And by the way, about
            Quote: Company 8
            2 weeks after the start of the war were near Pskov and Smolensk.

            Do you remember where the borders were in 1914 and 1941? This is not talking about the fact that with the tactics of the First World War such rapid advancements were hindered purely technically.
            1. 8 company
              8 company 2 October 2012 12: 42
              -1
              Quote: Kars
              Do you remember where the borders were in 1914 and 1941? This is not talking about the fact that with the tactics of the First World War such rapid advancements were hindered purely technically.


              I remember, and sho? Oh, pure rzhach went. You should give a ruler or a curvimeter - measure where the Germans got to? But did Stalin have no equipment? And where did the values ​​from the robbed museums, churches and peasants go?
              1. Kars
                Kars 2 October 2012 12: 49
                +2
                Quote: Company 8
                I remember, and sho

                Well, write the distance from the old and new borders to the points you like.
                Quote: Company 8
                And where did the values ​​from the robbed museums, churches and peasants go?

                No matter where, on industrialization, but after the great princes and the civil war, quite a few remained — almost everything had to be done anew. But for example, in the territory of Germany during the First World War there was no destruction of industry.
                Quote: Company 8
                did Stalin have no equipment?

                Well, then Stalin to Berlin then doshol.a not to Galicia.
                1. 8 company
                  8 company 2 October 2012 13: 01
                  -1
                  Quote: Kars
                  Well, write the distance from the old and new borders to the points you like.


                  World War I: from the border to Baranovich - 1 km.
                  World War II: from Brest to Stalingrad - 2 km.

                  Quote: Kars
                  after the grand dukes and civil war, quite a few remained


                  Did the great princes unleash civilian too?

                  Quote: Kars
                  Well, then Stalin to Berlin then doshol.a not to Galicia.


                  Not Stalin, but a soldier. Stalin did not hold your rifle in his hands and did not even command an infantry squad in his life, except for a gang attacking postal carriages in the Caucasus.
                  1. Kars
                    Kars 2 October 2012 13: 09
                    +1
                    Quote: Company 8
                    World War I: from the border to Baranovich - 1 km

                    You’re a strange person, dull --- how many in the Second World War were from the border to the Baranavichy? You understand - the distance to ONE point, from different borders.
                    Quote: Company 8
                    World War II: from Brest to Stalingrad - 2 km.

                    And how many kilometers when did the king surrender Mosca to Napoleon?
                    Quote: Company 8
                    Did the great princes unleash civilian too?

                    And who? It was they who gave the soldiers death instead of victories under the German heavy artillery.
                    Quote: Company 8
                    Not Stalin, but a soldier.

                    Like Nikolashka rummaged through the trenches.
                    Quote: Company 8
                    except perhaps the gang that attacked the postal carriages in the Caucasus.

                    also need to be able to.
                    1. 8 company
                      8 company 2 October 2012 13: 16
                      -1
                      Quote: Kars
                      You see - the distance to ONE point, from different borders.


                      Oh, got it! A new history of the Kars war! laughing

                      Quote: Kars
                      And how many kilometers when did the king surrender Mosca to Napoleon?


                      Damn, I found something to remember, so at that time the sworn tsarism drove the adversary to Paris already. Didn't hear about it?

                      Quote: Kars
                      Like Nikolashka rummaged through the trenches.


                      He is not so stupid as to give instructions to military leaders without education and experience.

                      Quote: Kars
                      also need to be able to.


                      You need someone to argue.
                      1. Kars
                        Kars 2 October 2012 13: 31
                        -3
                        Quote: Company 8
                        Oh, got it! A new history of the Kars war!

                        So you are ashamed to give such data, and a vet could for example lead to Smolensk.
                        Quote: Company 8
                        Damn, I found something to remember, so at that time the sworn tsarism drove the adversary to Paris already. Didn't hear about it?

                        I heard, I heard how chestnuts were pulling fire from the fire for the British, it was the case --- and Suvorov crossed the Alps. But in our type of dialogue, this does not rehabilitate Moscow’s surrender. And then there was the Crimean War, then the Russo-Yaposka (where the princes again shook) Tsushima -.
                        Quote: Company 8
                        He is not so stupid that without education and experience instructing military leaders to give

                        And who say the generals were upset? Who put Rozhdestvensky over the 2nd squadron?
                        Quote: Company 8
                        You need someone to argue
                        I need a lot of things.

                        But the very fact that RI, fighting, retreated 500 km from the border, when she herself crossed it, when the main forces of the Germans were against France - this is just a shame.
                      2. apro
                        apro 2 October 2012 14: 20
                        +2
                        Kars is stupid to argue with his company that his anti-communism and historical amnesia are incurable. He considers historical facts only from the standpoint of confirming his own accounts.
              2. Astartes
                Astartes 2 October 2012 12: 55
                +1
                For factories and factories, and not for palaces of the Blyarilin, for this alone the people love Stalin more than all humane and thieving kings.
                1. 8 company
                  8 company 2 October 2012 13: 05
                  +2
                  Quote: Astartes
                  People love Stalin


                  Are you talking to the people? How long have you got this?
                2. Miroslav
                  Miroslav 2 October 2012 14: 46
                  +1
                  Yes, to freeze the tacon, - you have to think of it. According to my father, all ancestors and half-villages in the Samara region in 1929-1930 were evicted from their homes to winter in Kazakhstan in the winter, where almost everyone died. And for this to love the executioner? ..
                  1. 8 company
                    8 company 2 October 2012 15: 07
                    +1
                    Quote: Miroslav
                    According to my father, all ancestors and half-villages in the Samara region in 1929-1930 were evicted from their homes to winter in Kazakhstan in the winter, where almost everyone died. And for this to love the executioner? ..


                    Can you explain to these heirs of the ghoul? My great-grandfather was dispossessed in 1930, he and his wife, 6 sons and a daughter were allowed around the world, and then back in 1937 two sons who remained in the village were sent to camps by order of 00447 because in 1930 they themselves were robbed. There are people for whom the people are a working animal, a consumable in "great" experiments. They are called simply: Dzhugashvili fans, or even simpler: Stalinists.
                    1. Karlsonn
                      Karlsonn 3 October 2012 17: 55
                      0
                      Quote: Company 8
                      Can you explain these ghoul heirs?

                      Yes, we don’t need to explain anything, if you don’t understand simple things, what can we talk about request .
                    2. valokordin
                      valokordin 4 October 2012 03: 05
                      0
                      8 and a half, but how many simple peasants were allowed by the world-eaters around the world? They had to be eliminated as a class.
              3. mark021105
                mark021105 2 October 2012 17: 44
                0
                Do you remember Isho Alexander I ... when he finally gave Moscow. SO WHAT??? Where is Napoleon ???
          2. Allegedly
            Allegedly 2 October 2012 15: 51
            0
            in a sealed diplomatic car ...
          3. wax
            wax 3 October 2012 02: 31
            0
            The February revolution and the abdication of the tsar took place practically without the participation of the Bolsheviks, who by the beginning of the year 17 were less than 100 thousand.
            Here it is interesting about the Bolsheviks: http://supernovum.ru/public/index.php?doc=143
          4. wax
            wax 3 October 2012 12: 14
            +1
            Nicholas II was so fluffy that he shot a peaceful procession with icons and a petition on January 9, 1905, the Bolsheviks were not there, there was a pop Gapon. Then (also against the opinion of the Bolsheviks) came December. After December, the rebels were dealt with as cruelly as possible, including the Black Hundreds who got angry with women. When traveling to Sarov, the chosen one did not even look out the train window to see how all the inhabitants of the surrounding villages polls (including children and pregnant women) knelt along the railway (I know firsthand (through my wife from her mother). Now there are no witnesses, as they say - get into the essence.
          5. d.gksueyjd
            d.gksueyjd 3 October 2012 12: 31
            -1
            Quote: Company 8
            The humanist was too Nikolasha,

            Your humanist, nicknamed "Bloody" even during the coronation, then the shooting of a peaceful demonstration in 1905, the imposition of Russia in the 1st World War, the collapse and collapse of the state. "Well, straight the lamb of God" - JUDAS, more terrible than Yeltsin and Gorbachev!
        2. mongoose
          mongoose 2 October 2012 12: 29
          -2
          ????? missed arithmetic lessons at school? take at least loss statistics
        3. wax
          wax 3 October 2012 03: 22
          0
          http://supernovum.ru/public/index.php?doc=134
          a very interesting article by a certain Pokrovsky S.G. "Betrayal of 1941", I have never read this
      2. wax
        wax 3 October 2012 02: 19
        0
        Russia was not torn to pieces simply because tsarism was destroyed.
        1. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 3 October 2012 17: 59
          0
          wax drinks , lovers of the crunch of French rolls have already lifted up, they live in some alternative reality of their own, but they climb with us with their opinions.
      3. d.gksueyjd
        d.gksueyjd 3 October 2012 12: 26
        0
        Quote: Company 8
        Do not whimper, tsarism did not retreat to the Volga, even Belarus did not surrender
        I passed Moscow! "History of Russia" OV 1812, like that, my friend.
    2. mongoose
      mongoose 2 October 2012 12: 28
      -3
      recall the divisions of the Moscow militia in the fall of 1941? my friend, a search engine, found the bodies of our people, in concert tailcoats with butterflies and stories about 1 rifle for three, the same was not fiction
      1. wax
        wax 3 October 2012 02: 45
        0
        You can read about one rifle for three from the Russians in George Buchanan's "My Mission in Russia. Memoirs of an English Diplomat. 1910-1918".
        1. PSih2097
          PSih2097 3 October 2012 03: 01
          0
          You can read about one rifle for three from the Russians in George Buchanan's "My Mission in Russia. Memoirs of an English Diplomat. 1910-1918".

          Well, there are a lot of things that can be deducted from the Naglich people, about the fact that the "SVT" and "ABC" were the worst rifles for the entire war, but the M1 was in awe
          1. wax
            wax 3 October 2012 17: 58
            0
            You did not pay attention to the years when Buchanan was ambassador to Russia 1910-1918 And my remark refers to the replica of MANGUST that in the Second World War they fought with one rifle for three. In my simplicity of mind, I felt that I spoke ironically in the context of the praise by some of tsarism and the assault of socialism in general and the activities of Stalin in particular.
    3. Jaros81
      Jaros81 2 October 2012 14: 43
      +1
      this statistic shows, only one thing, that our gunners of the times of Nicholas II were not badly prepared. There are examples when one of our batteries crushed 4 German batteries, and, moreover, spent less shots than these notorious batteries. And the defeat at Tanneberg was not so terrible.
      The Germans had: 153 fighters,
      728 guns
      296 machine guns
      RIA: 191 fighters,
      612 guns
      384 machine guns.

      German losses: 30 thousand killed and wounded
      RIA losses: 40 thousand were killed and wounded, 50 thousand were captured, including 9 generals.

      In the same war, in the same year:
      RIA had 700 thousand fighters, 1770 guns
      Austria-Hungary had over 830 thousand soldiers.
      RIA losses - 190 killed and wounded, 000 captured, 40 guns lost
      Asvtro-Hungary losses 300 killed and wounded, 000 taken prisoner, 100 guns lost
      That is, the loss is higher. It was a battle of Galicia, and note, no one considers it a catastrophe. And I will not speak about the Brusilovsky breakthrough, which led Austria to almost defeat. Find yourself
    4. wax
      wax 3 October 2012 02: 16
      +1
      Russian rifles weren’t enough, soldiers at the front sometimes had one rifle for three, they bought in England, which sold the marriage. See .. the recollections of the then Aglitz ambassador. Tsarism is condemned by the people, cruelly, But the canonization of the family and Nicholas II himself is very unsightly.
      1. Jaros81
        Jaros81 3 October 2012 04: 04
        0
        unsightly to kill five defenseless children and unarmed people. Tsarism has not yet been condemned by the people! But these things fall under the article
        , and those who shot, and especially those who ordered, it would be nice to hang! And I would not tire of believing Anglo-Saxon if he wrote in his memoirs. And there is nothing to confuse the peoples and those nonhumans who made the revolution.
  9. Allegedly
    Allegedly 2 October 2012 13: 33
    -6
    Leonid Brezhnev pays a state visit to France and is given a VIP tour of Paris for him. He is shown the beauty of the Elysee Palace, but, as always, he retains a stone face. He is shown the masterpieces of the Louvre, but again no reaction. He is led to the Arc de Triomphe, but does not show the slightest interest. Finally, the official motorcade arrives at the foot of the Eiffel Tower. And then Brezhnev was amazed. He turns to the French and asks in surprise: 'Look, there are 9 million people living in Paris ... are you sure one watchtower is enough for you?'
    1. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 3 October 2012 18: 05
      0
      Quote: JACOB
      Leonid Brezhnev makes a state visit to France

      and asks: ... why are you-France afraid of calling the military operations of your army in Algeria a war?
  10. Lech e-mine
    Lech e-mine 2 October 2012 16: 52
    +6
    Latvians, Estonians, Lithuanians have their hands to the elbow in the BLOOD of RUSSIAN, BELARUSIAN, and UKRAINIAN PEOPLE (HORSE THEM IN THE BACK - NOT NURNBERG)
    1. Allegedly
      Allegedly 2 October 2012 17: 00
      +4
      So clean them up as the Mossad cleans their enemies, then all scum will be scared. Fear and piss from fear ... They will not be up to the monuments ...
      1. Lech e-mine
        Lech e-mine 2 October 2012 17: 24
        +7
        AFTER SUCH CRIMES, THE BALTICIANS have made themselves IMMEDIATE ENEMIES, among whom I am.
        1. 16
          16 2 October 2012 22: 52
          +1
          and I!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  11. sergant89
    sergant89 2 October 2012 19: 21
    +5
    I apologize for my words, but it is advisable for this Valery to break arms and legs (minimum program), and let the Baltic countries (especially with a small letter) crush economically long ago let them slander their freedom with Nazism in the cold waves of the gray-mouse sea. angry
  12. 16
    16 2 October 2012 22: 54
    0
    damn it and can arrange the whole of Europe and the United States, along with England ------ 2nd World !!!!! and even if we would not intervene !!!! our own, would stand and that's it !!!!!!!! ! Then it would be possible to rewrite history -------- in fact !!!!