Europe is attacking the US economic rake. Will Russia come on them?

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Considering the modern Western financial concept, one involuntarily comes to the conclusion that it is becoming more and more like a kind of sand castle, which looks very nice, but only all this relative beauty can be destroyed at any moment by a surging crisis wave. To expect that such waves will no longer appear on this financial bank is simply pointless. And if everyone understands that sooner or later such waves will still come, then the steps that are being taken by Western experts in the field of economics seem at least unconvincing.

An example is the famous third stage of quantitative easing (QE-3), the ideological inspirer of which was a man like Ben Bernanke - the head of the American Federal Reserve. Realizing that there are no new ways to bring the economy out of crisis in the hands of the US Federal Reserve, Mr. Bernanke decided to take the path of least resistance. His actions can be described by the well-known proverb: “after us even the flood”. To understand the essence of the Fed’s plan to bring the American (and therefore the world) economy out of the crisis, you don’t even need to go into the most complicated economic patterns and concepts of market regulation. Ben Bernanke suggested that Americans simply launch the printing press to the fullest extent. Like, if the whole trouble is that the economy does not have enough money, then you have money - just have time to rake out a shovel from under the machine and allow it to plug financial gaps with this gray-green raw material, the number of which is almost impossible to calculate.

In this case, even the person who is not particularly well-versed in the economy will say: but how is that? Doesn’t Bernanke’s comrades pushing the US economy into a new, fast-moving funnel that can tear the usual financial system into pieces? The question is quite sound, and therefore in this case, the US Federal Reserve was theoretically prepared for it. Bernanke claims that QE-3 can save the American economy, as the money spat out by the printing press will be introduced into the economic process through a fairly shaky banking system. In other words, the money will not be allowed to repay any debts, because it would be absolutely unpromising, but instead the Fed provides new dollars to banks with the goal of issuing various kinds of loans. Whether this is promising is another question. Let's try to answer it.

The situation looks more than entertaining. American citizens, business groups, enterprises that are already deeply in debt cannot cope with these debts to banks for various reasons. At the same time, the Fed pushes banks to give out to those in need as many new loans as they want for a variety of needs, including to pay off old loans ... Allegedly, now the Americans will start repaying their debts on loans, production will increase, crawl upwards income, and hence the economy to improve completely and irrevocably. But a question arises here: does Mr. Bernanke seriously believe that those citizens and organizations that did not pay off old loans would suddenly find internal reserves and repay new debts. After all, the so-called Greek syndrome will obviously manifest itself here: if a person or organization (country as a whole) is given loans, and then, writing off these debts, he is again offered to take loans, then the very desire to make any repayment will be dulled. Well, in fact, if everyone knows that Ben Bernanke has only one idea in his head: just a little thing - to run the printing press at full capacity, which again allows plugging the debt holes with freshly printed bills, the desire to work and look for real ways. out of the crisis will evaporate by itself.

In this regard, the very idea of ​​a new stage of quantitative easing gives some naivety. Or rather, no ... This is not naivety at all, it is just a signal to the whole world that the American economists have no real way out of the current economic situation, well, or at least, the Fed does not see this way out.

After the announcement of the launch of QE-3, the dollar slipped a bit, but some other currencies strengthened ... It is obvious that the Americans want to follow the path of artificially lowering the dollar to use the so-called Chinese option (the PRC has long manipulated the yuan exchange rate as profitable for this state namely, it lowers it to put a block for foreign goods). But didn't the United States around the world talk about the need for non-interference in the economy? And what do we see today ...
If this is not pure speculation, then what then ... Did traders all over the world really believe Ben Bernanke that his next launch of the printing press would be good for the American, and therefore the world economy? Obviously not. The mechanisms of exchange speculations simply turned on when they want to show us that everything is really “okay”, official Washington saddled a raging economic horse and will now drive it through the triumphal arch into a bright financial future.
It is clear that Mr. Bernanke himself, who today is between two fires, was instructed on the eve of the US presidential elections to do at least something for external smoothing of the consequences, and then, as they say, it will be clear ...

But if the machine is started today, then it will be almost impossible to stop it, because if credits in certain volumes will not be returned (and this should be expected), then the printing machine will not be turned off at all. She will, by her own activities, extinguish those loans that, thanks to her own activities, have been allocated to business. In general, the classic vicious circle, which to everything else is also actively compressed ...

However, as it turned out, today such a collapsing mechanism of the American economy does not all feel bad. For example, the Europeans did not even think of criticizing the American plan for quantitative easing. Mario Draghi (President of the European Central Bank) announced that Europe is ready to go about the same way. In particular, to reduce the yield of government bonds of such economically troubled countries as Greece, Italy, Portugal, Spain and a number of others, Draghi is going to buy these bonds with funds from the ECB. But where does Mr. President intend to take money for the next round of buying up government debts? Yes, with the help of all the same printing press, but in this case European. Apparently, the "glory" of Bernanke does not give rest to Mario Draghi, and therefore he declares that such a move can not only stabilize the economic situation in Europe, but also lead the EU's economy to growth already in 2013 year. A sort of Frankfurt (ECB headquarters apartment located in Frankfurt am Main German) dreamer ...

Draghi at the same time says that assistance will be provided only to those countries in the eurozone, which the ECB themselves ask for it, and even agree to fulfill strict obligations. Striking confidence in the same Greeks with the Portuguese. Yes, of course, they will swear by anyone and anything that all obligations will be fulfilled, but in reality ... It will be enough just to change the government - and that’s a big hello to Mario Draghi, who took Ben Bernanke’s rut. They say that the obligations were given by the old authorities, and we, the new authorities, and therefore the bribes are smooth with us.

It turns out that today both the European and the American financial systems are less and less oriented towards the real sectors (production), and are moving towards the trivial economic speculation. Is this the real way out of the crisis - no!

In such a situation, when Russia is being blamed on the raw material dependence of the economy, it can be said that this dependence is no better and no worse than what is used in the EU and the USA. We sell oil, we live for it, they sell their debts to each other, they live for it .. As they say, they survive as they can. The fact is one thing: obviously, Russia, if, of course, we are going to move away from oil dependence, in no case can we copy the Western financial model, because all attempts to copy it will lead to what we are seeing today in the same eurozone - the game of debt tag Yes, and the stereotype that it is time for us to build an economy in the image and likeness of the Western one, has finally become obsolete. And if so, then it will be necessary to look for an economic solution that will be able to lead to a positive result, despite all the world troubles. Another question - is it possible in the prevailing conditions in general? ..
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  1. +12
    2 October 2012 08: 28
    Yes, we would have stepped, but we don’t have a rake either, we will step into another,
    1. mongoose
      +5
      2 October 2012 09: 50
      Yes, what is not clear then? prolong the agony of the dollar, starting to depreciate, the owners of the FRS use the printing press to the maximum in order to buy more real values, gold there, mines of oil and gas fields
      1. +1
        3 October 2012 01: 50
        And we have nowhere to attack, Putin is not stupid like them, he is developing the defense industry and the real sector. We will only look at them there and laugh. Of course, we will get a bit of a crisis, it’s painfully globalized us, but nothing, they will have it so that it seems like a paradise for us.
  2. +17
    2 October 2012 08: 48
    Americans are so credited that banks do not lend to them, and all the money goes to the stock and commodity markets, hence the growth of raw materials and general inflation. The weakening of the influence of the West on Russia is a chance, the question is why we use it. For the desire to live in the West or build your own model ?! The Western level of consumption is based on the robbery of the world and it will not be possible to achieve it, is the Russian people ready to live more modestly, but better and more honestly? This question is still open.
    1. +3
      2 October 2012 09: 20
      Quote: Orik

      Americans are so credited that banks do not lend to them, and all the money goes to the stock and commodity markets, hence the growth of raw materials and general inflation. The weakening of the influence of the West on Russia is a chance, the question is why we use it. For the desire to live in the West or build your own model ?! The Western level of consumption is based on the robbery of the world and it will not be possible to achieve it, is the Russian people ready to live more modestly, but better and more honestly? This question is still open.

      I think amers will depreciate their currencies so that there is nobody to pay the bills. what
  3. +11
    2 October 2012 08: 49
    Marx, Lenin were right and the contradictions of capitalism have not gone anywhere, but are taking on ever more acute forms. The capitalists want to solve all the problems at the expense of the machine, the absurdity is complete. In fact, the solution to all problems consists in the social structure of the country and in the relationship between people. It follows that there is no alternative to socialism, and subsequently communism.
    1. +6
      2 October 2012 09: 43
      Quote: Forget
      It follows that there is no alternative to socialism, and subsequently communism.

      Exactly. Since the basic concept of socialism is to build a society of creators, not consumers, as in the West. Only then, and for such a development model, high-quality education and medicine and science will be beneficial ... And you can consume without all this, as long as there is ...
      1. mongoose
        -8
        2 October 2012 09: 56
        uh-huh, "creators" of millions of Russian graves
        1. +3
          2 October 2012 10: 18
          Quote: mongoose
          uh-huh, "creators" of millions of Russian graves

          And there are many of your relatives among them that would clown around like that?
      2. Bashkaus
        0
        2 October 2012 17: 04
        creators and destroyers are two different polarities of one magnet, one cannot exist without the other. The fact that it is necessary to build up - I completely agree, that it should become a new super-idea of ​​the nation and humanity, I also agree. But it will still be for a while, anyway there is someone who wants to consume and destroy, not to leave nature
    2. mongoose
      -4
      2 October 2012 09: 52
      hee hee hee hee hee not 70 years old? no, don’t think, I’m not against communism there, but only away from Russia. The Russian people once again such a bloodletting from the Jews may not be tolerated
      1. +4
        2 October 2012 10: 15
        Quote: mongoose
        not enough for 70 years?

        If it were not for the traitors inside the system, there could have been more ... Changes were necessary, but there was no need once again "under the foundation, and then .." They could destroy, and what was built in return ??? There was nothing to be proud of under the USSR? Analyze the dynamics of population growth (or decline) for the period 1990-2012. This despite the fact that there were no world wars, there were no repressions either .. And the difference between the number of male and female population, how do you? This was only after the Second World War ... And now in the Russian government ??? So the bloodletting has just begun. Oh, and more ... I'm not a Jew wink
      2. 0
        2 October 2012 12: 18
        Greetings Yoshkin cat! laughing
      3. +7
        2 October 2012 13: 17
        Dear Mongoose, do not confuse communism with dictatorship, during the time of Stalin it was precisely the dictatorship that was needed, for the simple reason that the USSR was trying to shatter America with might and main, therefore it was necessary to act toughly, not everyone liked it, of course, but look at those today times, the strongest army in the world, huge scientific potential, developed agriculture, and most importantly in those days, a worker was much more valuable than a marketer or manager and then the people had an idea to build a strong indestructible state, unfortunately all of them dejah destroyed corrupt skins sad
      4. 0
        3 October 2012 16: 28
        the average citizen was comfortable with life ... free medicine, an apartment, work, etc. we were bought for chewing gum, jeans and a vidic with porn.
        bad fag ..... they were put in jail!
    3. +1
      2 October 2012 10: 14
      Quote: Forget
      It follows that there is no alternative to socialism, and subsequently communism.


      C'mon ..... all the CIA had a hand in the collapse of the USSR (whatever they were empty of), but very acute problems have ripened in the state itself, including in the economy ...... the administrative-command system also far from the best option ...
      so it’s necessary to develop some kind of new model

      But communism is generally a complete utopia, never and under no circumstances in human society is unattainable ..... the very idea of ​​communism has deeply erroneous and incorrect foundations .....
      1. +1
        2 October 2012 10: 17
        Quote: volkan
        And communism is generally utter utopia.

        It is more about socialism ..
      2. +2
        2 October 2012 12: 38
        Quote: volkan
        ...... the administrative-command system is also far from the best option ... so it is necessary to develop some kind of new model

        - market model - sucks under the article. The command and administrative model is no better. Can try a command and market model? Try the same semi-private ownership of the means of production. Well, this is when you, as it were, own the machine, but as if not quite, but there is hope ...
        What a thought! Let's try, maybe it will turn out that -))))).
        1. +1
          2 October 2012 13: 22
          But I generally think that the country is not destroying the economic course, but the corruption and negligence of the authorities, the government really needs to do something for the people, everything will be wonderful right away, this is with regards to the collapse of the USSR, this is also true with America, do not chase the state for its own they wouldn’t be in debt, they would give a lot of money for all wars, every year they spend a lot of money on maintaining the army, which in fact they don’t need, reduce the number of times in 2 and direct all their efforts to protect their borders, then there would be no debts and it wasn’t, because in their entire history no one on their land fought with them, because they are far away.
        2. +1
          2 October 2012 14: 19
          aksakal,

          I think that socialism with its administrative-command system of the economy, and democracy with market economy are two extremes .... both ineffective and promising serious consequences.
          It is noteworthy that, in fact, both of these economies lived almost equal times. Now the economy of the West can hardly be called such. Agree.

          So my point is this.
          It would be normal to have large enterprises of "strategic" and near-strategic importance (here not in the military sense, but in terms of significance for the state) in state ownership and under strict state control.
          To have state-owned medicine and education in terms of providing the necessary and sufficient minimum for the population. The rest is already in free swimming .. The whole range of these services cannot be covered in any way only at the expense of the state treasury.

          And here is the so-called medium and small business to give into the hands of business .... let them develop the service sector and small production.

          Again, completely abandon such a concept as state support for business .... this will cool them down a bit and make them think ten times before building any pyramids.

          Well, I don’t know how to name such a model ....... maybe just ... a fair economy? wink
          1. +1
            2 October 2012 15: 33
            Quote: volkan
            It would be normal to have large enterprises of "strategic" and near-strategic importance (here not in the military sense, but in terms of significance for the state) in state ownership and under strict state control.

            something like that in china. There are no private banks, only state ones. There is no private major construction, only state. Private owners minor repairs in apartments can carry out. But at the same time, private owners can own enterprises for the production of consumer goods, agricultural products and other goods that do not have strategic importance, of arbitrarily large sizes.
            It seems to grow in the economy.
            Quote: volkan
            Again, completely abandon such a concept as state support for business .... this will cool them down a bit and make them think ten times before building any pyramids.

            - do not grow, bastards. They require care like flowers. _)))
            Quote: Joker
            and corruption and negligence of the authorities, the government is really for the people to do something, as soon as everything will be fine,

            - It seems to me that what you have listed is not a cause, but a consequence. The low quality of public administration and the high level of corruption are a consequence of the underdevelopment of state institutions. The state is, after all, a system of coercion. If the state is "simple", in the sense that the level of development of institutions is low and primitive, then the most effective method of coercion is the method of the physical stick and the physical carrot in the literal sense. Here is the task - to go out first into space. If you succeed - I'll caress, if you fail - you've already been to Kolyma, you know what it is - guess who it was addressed to?
            The more complex the state is in terms of institutional development, the more effective economic methods of coercion become in comparison with direct "carrot and stick". Kennedy set the task, and two years later he was killed. But his order was still fulfilled after 10 years, while nobody in the Amerskoy kolyma has rotted away. Economic coercive measures were enough.

            I note that it is unpleasant for me to admit it, but I have to admit it. Institutionally, the United States is more developed.

            The highest form of institutional development of the state is the form when economic forms of coercion no longer work, only moral ones - public condemnation or public recognition, money here is sideways, just a pleasant appendage at best. There is no such state on the Planet at the moment. Maybe try a jump? Something reluctance to go through all phases sequentially -))))). And here rrraz - and money does not play a role, everyone is chasing recognition and plowing recognition day and night. -))))
          2. Stary oper
            +4
            2 October 2012 18: 16
            volkan
            A fair model existed. Moreover, in the conditions of the USSR. It was a model of Svyatoslav Fedorov. Although he can not be called its creator. Rather, he was just one of the first to bring it to life. These are the so-called national enterprises. By the way, in the capitalist countries, in conditions of ideological and economic competition with the socialist system, they began to apply this program, which allowed them, by the way, to finally win this confrontation. True, as soon as socialism rested in a Bose, the need for this disappeared in the West. Recently, stratification began to grow sharply, as the desire for superprofits leads to the fact that the incomes of most of the population begin to decline. Reducing consumption again hits the economy and results in a spinning flywheel of social inequality. Figuratively speaking, the desire for superprofits is the saw with which capitalism saws the branch on which it sits. Mass protests gathering strength in Greece and Spain - this is the first bell.
            Failure to understand this is the path to the next revolutions, or right-wing coups in the neo-Nazi style. By the way, many Western professors and economists have long pointed out the danger of such processes from the economic and political
            points of view.
    4. Bashkaus
      +1
      2 October 2012 17: 01
      at the expense of the lack of an alternative to socialism, and as a consequence of communism, I do not agree with you.
      Communism from the principle of utopia! 2000 years ago, Jesus Christ was crucified, who first of all offered spiritual communism "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need." At the same time, he argued the correctness of his words by healing the sick, raising the dead and his resurrection on Easter. So paradise on earth still did not work out due to the presence in the souls of people of a grain of evil, which grows in all of us to a greater or lesser extent. Therefore, no matter how we are equal, human nature is arranged in such a way that someone still wants to be equal to others. The same democracy, freedom of speech, but someone wants to be freer than others. It is too hard to create communism, for this it is necessary to reformat the brains of all 7 billion people, and then drive them through the desert not for 40 years, but even more so that new generations do not know the past. It is easiest to burn everyone with nuclear weapons and leave them as Zhidomassons and want a maximum of 1 billion, of which the chosen rule the rest of the herd.
      1. 0
        3 October 2012 08: 13
        Quote: Bashkaus
        It’s easiest to burn with nuclear weapons and leave them as liquid massons and want a maximum of 1 billion, of which the elect rule the rest of the herd.

        - simpler - does not mean better. What kind of thread is mold survivable of a person and can even defeat him under certain external circumstances if it comes to such a confrontation. But this does not mean that it is better.
        And a man, with all the grains of evil present in his soul, strives for the best, the desire is in him.
        Stary Oper, you plus, I liked your post. It's hard to say whether you are right or not, I just liked it.
        Here now no one can say where it is going. I will only designate: Crisis - did not one politician, very beloved by the Russian people for some time, say about it as "about shelling above the usual hardships and hardships of the working people"? So we will write down - the first sign.
        The second sign: someone known by the name of Kholmanskikh sharply condemned the continuous desire of young people to get a higher education and suggested that they almost use sticks to drive these stunned youth to Uralmash to work as workers. Let us designate that young, stunted, "productive forces", and the way of management, in which the Uralmash requires productive forces of an outdated model, as "outdated production relations." And now let's try to guess what the once-beloved politician would say about the skirmish between the Kholmanskikhs and the representatives of the "frayed youth" who sent him far away?
        Another symptom has not yet emerged. The upper classes in the person of Putin are still able to, but the lower classes still tolerate. But we are watching the painting, but this is still in Russia. In the world, especially in developed countries, and especially in PIGS, they almost "cannot" and almost "do not want".
        As a result, in the near future there will still be some changes. And what they will be - the devil knows him. We stock up on popcorn.
  4. Cheetah
    +1
    2 October 2012 08: 58
    The last paragraph pleased. The author forgot one thing: if developed countries are in crisis, they will buy less raw materials from developing countries, or at low prices. Therefore, Russia gives billions to the same Europe, if only they continued to buy our raw materials, then they did not think of other incomes .....
    1. +1
      2 October 2012 09: 19
      Quote: Cheetah
      Therefore, Russia gives billions to the same Europe, if only they continued to buy our raw materials, then they did not think of other incomes .....

      Even if Russia gives Europe 50 billion bucks, this European economy will not save, and what kind of billions you are talking about is not clear at all
      1. Cheetah
        0
        2 October 2012 09: 29
        “For the second time in a year, Russia will save one of its largest investors from bankruptcy. The country that is currently the President of the European Union, which has invested more than $ 40 billion in the Russian economy, will desperately forgive Russia € 5 billion. At the end of last year, recall, Moscow has already planted € 2,5 billion in Cyprus. " All our main companies have taken loans in Europe, and the state pays for them from our taxes.
        1. +1
          2 October 2012 09: 40
          Quote: Cheetah
          Russia will desperately forgive € 5 billion.

          Quote: Cheetah
          Moscow has already thrown € 2,5 billion to Cyprus.

          And you think such amounts will affect the overall picture of the European economy.
          Quote: Cheetah
          All of our major companies scored loans in Europe, and the state pays for them on our taxes.

          Give an example
          1. 0
            2 October 2012 09: 47
            Quote: Cheetah
            “For the second time in a year, Russia will save one of its largest investors from bankruptcy. The country that is currently the President of the European Union, which has invested more than $ 40 billion in the Russian economy, will desperately forgive Russia € 5 billion. At the end of last year, recall, Moscow has already planted € 2,5 billion in Cyprus. " All our main companies have taken loans in Europe, and the state pays for them from our taxes.

            Where such information give a link!
            request
        2. mongoose
          0
          2 October 2012 10: 02
          Well, you can’t be so not smart, offshore money. this is our money, the money of our entrepreneurs and only
          1. +1
            2 October 2012 10: 05
            Quote: mongoose
            offshore money. this is our money, the money of our entrepreneurs and only

            Yes, where does offshore in general, in the same place, both European and American money settle
            1. +1
              2 October 2012 10: 38
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              European and American money settle there

              Hi Sasha! Yes it’s true, there are many things that go through this. Do not ask which, I know for sure a lot, even a lot.
              1. +3
                2 October 2012 11: 02
                Quote: Heinrich Ruppert
                Do not ask which, I know for sure a lot, even a lot.

                Hi Henry, and I won’t ask for my money. He’s not there. And they know what they do, well, they all know, and when they catch by the hand they make a surprised mine that they didn’t know. Old, like, the world request
  5. +1
    2 October 2012 09: 20
    Everyone wants to make money. And who will work?
    1. nickname 1 and 2
      +2
      2 October 2012 10: 12
      HUMANOID,

      So they work already! ....... China, India - not enough? .... Vietnam etc.
  6. Felix200970
    +2
    2 October 2012 09: 24
    It is high time to decide the question of abandoning the US dollar as a world currency. Everyone knows that conventional raccoons are not provided with anything and are just cut paper. So it's high time to remember what the "Vnesheconombank ruble" is
  7. +1
    2 October 2012 09: 39
    The Fed turned on the machine. This means that the gang of world financial magnates has conceived another round of the crisis. First, there will probably be a slight increase in energy prices, and then a sharp drop. This has already passed, but it will probably be much worse than in 2008.
  8. albanec
    0
    2 October 2012 09: 51
    It seems to me alone that Europe and America have no way out of the crisis. They will never pay off their debts and there is only one way out for them - to declare themselves bankrupt. Because they will not be able to return the money either to us or to China, it is necessary to take all their enterprises and infrastructure for themselves into debt, and turn the inhabitants into slavery! laughing
    1. 0
      2 October 2012 09: 54
      Quote: albanec
      It seems to me alone that Europe and America have no way out of the crisis.

      Not one ... The fact is that this has happened more than once in history. The trouble is that every time a way out of this situation is found more than unsatisfactory. As a rule, it ended in war.
      1. albanec
        0
        2 October 2012 12: 08
        There will be no war, the golden billion is too cowardly to start a war with an adversary with nuclear weapons. So you can die)
        1. +2
          2 October 2012 12: 16
          There will be no war, the golden billion is too cowardly to start a war with an adversary with nuclear weapons.

          Who said there would be a nuclear war? A bunch of local conflicts - yes, it's not in vain that a "quick global strike" is being developed in the West and are tormented by missile defense.
          At the same time, we do not forget about migrants in our country and about their number, already the same Moscow has ceased to be a Russian city.
  9. +2
    2 October 2012 10: 01
    Yes, we have the same thing. All in loans and mortgages. Everyone hopes for a crisis and that the ruble will depreciate and debts will be written off accordingly ...
  10. 0
    2 October 2012 10: 03
    the plan is good and feasible if the country (or countries) has a large number of highly skilled labor. For Europe, where there are not so many all kinds of parasites, this is possible, for the Tan it’s hardly
  11. +2
    2 October 2012 11: 38
    Article is certainly good. But I believe what I see. But I don’t see there is no collapse, not a crisis, although I go there regularly for work,
    I'm not talking about what we buy from them, we start with oil, ending with medical equipment.
    Food prices are sometimes lower than in Moscow. We in the news are stubbornly talking about the crisis in Italy, of course there are difficulties, but to the crisis. Throughout the fields on which something grows, a very large percentage of the population is engaged in their beznos. I really liked and was struck by a pizzeria in the small town of Forlì, two old people of 70-80 work in it and they themselves cook pizza on an open fire at a price of 3 to 6 euros. And not because someone makes them or have to, but because they like them.
  12. adolph1
    0
    2 October 2012 16: 45
    The Fed, as always, puts everyone on all fours and forces them to take out loans! Loan interest! This problem will come to us soon! Half of the country lives on credit in our country!
  13. Bashkaus
    0
    2 October 2012 16: 53
    And here I am honestly, on the drum! I’ll take an ax, fishing tackle, family and go to the taiga: to make a log house, start a couple of cows and chickens is not a problem. Without the Internet and satellite TV, it’s certainly bummer, but I think with this story, you too, my comrades, will not be able to correspond with me on this forum))) A bucket of milk, a dozen eggs a day and 20 bags of potatoes every year is the real sector economics. It's just that bitter cataclysm that I observe in the world, and you, by the way, are also caused by the lack of desire for people to really work.
    1. Rezun
      0
      2 October 2012 18: 45
      Do not forget to dig a bunker and stock up with pomegranates, a bucket of milk, a dozen eggs and 20 bags of potatoes may be needed by many (just kidding).
  14. +1
    2 October 2012 18: 50
    The problem here is not only and not so much in the economic model practiced in the USA ...
    It is obvious to all sane people, not even economists, that the entire world economy, together with the conceptual basis on which it is built, has come to its obvious and final crisis.

    Today, the credit and financial system of the world essentially contains the prerequisites for a crisis. Without going into details, I will briefly explain the idea:
    1. Unproductive labor has taken a leading position in relation to productive.
    2. Financial speculation and lending interest enrich those who produce nothing and rob those who are trying to produce something socially useful.
    3. The entire banking system from serving the economy has turned into dominating the economy; it has become profitable to "earn" money without producing anything.
    4. As a result, what is happening in America’s financial system. A pile of unsubstantiated green paper and global trade in mutual debts.

    The whole methodology and principles of building financial support for the economy should be radically changed. The basic principles of this change are:
    1. Lending interest should be minimized by tough administrative levers (since the bankers themselves will not give up on gratuitous "earnings") and in the future reduced to zero.
    2. Financing the economy by banks should be based on the principle of participation in the profits of the financed enterprise, and not on the removal of interest from it, regardless of the success of the investment. This will encourage banks to invest in real production and scientific programs that will give real returns.
    3. The state support of the banking sector in times of crisis should be completely discontinued. We all saw where the people's money went when, in 2008, the government gave subsidies to banks — all in currency speculation and offshore abroad.
    4. Financial support for the economy during the crisis should be DIRECT, bypassing the thieving banking sector. Funds should go directly from the budget to enterprises in the real sector, and not to banks that supposedly should lend to the real sector ... Yeah, right now ... Do they need it, banks? But the producers need! Therefore, money is directly to them, and not to bankers.
    5. During the crisis period, our government was puffed up to give some kind of financial assistance to Europe ... Well done! Your problems are few? There are several million debtors to banks in the country among citizens. People got into a difficult situation, including because of the stupid financial policies of the government. And according to this - instead of feeding the (worthless) failed economies of Europe, the funds of support should be sent to their own citizens to pay off their debts to banks. And the burden will be removed from the people, and banks will receive funds.

    So, in a nutshell so ... Thoughts are still many, but you can not write everything here ...

    In general, everyone who is interested in new concepts of building financial and economic models of the future world order, I address to the works of prof. Efimov and his comrades in the Conceptual Party "Unity".
    Specifically, I recommend reading: Efimov "Course of the Age of Aquarius"
  15. 0
    2 October 2012 20: 10
    as said in one episode, damn it, absolutely no one works — managers alone in the country ....
  16. Raven
    +1
    2 October 2012 21: 37
    All to us in Belarus. We have no crisis. So Father says :)
  17. wax
    +1
    3 October 2012 01: 23
    What the Fed does makes sense for the simple reason that the dollar is the world currency, which means. By depreciating the dollar, part of the US debt is automatically covered by other states - the US crisis turns into a crisis of all. States - a global parasite, a cancerous tumor against which the global economic system has no immunity. Due to this interconnection, the US economy is emerging from the crisis faster, followed by raw material appendages. Everyone is happy. But the apotheosis of such a global financial system inevitably becomes war.
  18. +1
    3 October 2012 05: 21
    Quote: volkan
    administrative command system is also far from the best option ...
    so it’s necessary to develop some kind of new model

    All that had to be worked out was to give way to small and medium-sized businesses. A hedgehog, it’s clear that the government doesn’t manage a stall with cigarettes. Well, or there to smoke fish and even sew clothes. Gigantic enterprises, however, must be state-owned so that their dividends help the budget and firmly hold on to strategically important production (oil, marine resources, aluminum, metal, defense, aircraft construction, machine building, etc.) And, in principle, we have taken this path! In 1988 there were frequent restaurants, private workshops and enterprises for the production of clothes, shoes, furniture, etc. Then Gaidar came and killed everyone with taxes and official checks. But the goods from Turkey / China / USA gave a green street, almost without duties and even certification at first.
    I remember that time very well. So socialism has nothing to do with it. There are traitors who bend any system. Remember Libya.
  19. 8 company
    0
    3 October 2012 12: 39
    Talking about the "Western financial model" is the same as saying, "There is only mackerel in this sea." We can only talk about the general principles of the economy, and the models are different in all countries and the number of countries living normally, without excitement and super-debts, is much larger than the countries that have flown in.
  20. fatanee
    0
    4 October 2012 14: 26
    but how so? Doesn’t Bernanke, his comrades, drive the US economy into a new fast-moving funnel that can tear the usual financial system to pieces?

    This is a simple inflationary pump. It is not done in order to avoid a crisis. It is carried out only in order to delay the onset of the crisis, or rather, a deep recession with subsequent depression in the economy ..

    along the path of artificially depreciating the dollar to use the so-called Chinese option (the PRC has long been manipulating the renminbi in a way that is beneficial to this state, namely, underestimating it in order to block foreign goods).
    it’s not just a block of foreign goods (which the United States can’t do without now), namely, an improvement in the trade balance due to more exports and slightly less imports.

    traders around the world seriously believe Ben Bernanke
    Honestly, traders are deep in the drum what Ben promises there. Money and profit are important to them, and they turn any information, and even more so from such high-ranking officials into profit (I’m talking about especially large players in the financial markets). Traders are people who are sometimes more deeply knowledgeable in the economy of a country / corporation / company, etc., so they do not believe anyone but their informants, ears and eyes.

    It turns out that today both the European and the American financial systems are less and less oriented towards the real sectors (production), and are moving towards the trivial economic speculation. Is this the real way out of the crisis - no!
    For the most part, this crisis is a crisis in the financial and banking sectors. This phenomenon will occur periodically in the capitalist system. Alas, this cannot be avoided. Any manipulation can only slightly push away the depression itself, but nothing else. The losers will be you and me and the system itself, which the "good" guys will put on their feet again, pumped up with steroids (dollars + euros) and thrown back into battle.
    Have long been approximate default formula countries with certain economic data.

    Russia, [...] in no case should you copy the Western financial model
    Alas, it's late. The model is already running, as the main links are already in private hands, and this is the Central Bank and many other large enterprises.

    In general, the article is not bad, I put a good one +

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