A new implementation of an old concept. The appearance of the new transport-combat helicopter from NCV

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Mi-24P in flight

For several decades of production and service, the Mi-24/35 transport and combat helicopter has been repeatedly upgraded, which led to an increase in performance and new capabilities. Another project for a deep modernization of such a machine is being worked out right now. Recently it became known about the formation of the appearance of a new helicopter based on the existing design.

Patented Look


On March 29, the TASS agency reported that the National Helicopter Center named after. M.L. Mil and N.I. Kamov developed and patented the technical design of a promising transport and combat helicopter. TASS got acquainted with the new patent and provided some quotes from it. In this case, the document number is not named; it is also not published in the open databases of domestic patents.



As part of the design work, a helicopter design has been developed that is capable of transporting people and cargo, landing troops, as well as providing fire support and hitting ground targets. Due to the appropriate equipment, the helicopter will be able to operate at any time of the day. From the point of view of the tasks to be solved, the prototype and analogue of the hypothetical helicopter is the serial Mi-24P.

The new concept proposes to use a number of modern developments and solutions of various kinds in all major areas, from the propulsion system to weapons. With their help, a high level of combat and technical characteristics should be achieved. It will also ensure high efficiency and sustainability in solving all problems.


The main difference between the Mi-24P is the cannon mount on the starboard side

Development status unknown. The filing of an application and the receipt of a patent indicate the completion of part of the preliminary work and the formation of the general appearance, architecture and other features of the helicopter. Whether such a concept will develop is unknown. Patented developments are quite capable of finding application in a future real project. It is also possible to implement individual solutions.

Perhaps the fate of developments protected by a patent will become known in the foreseeable future. In particular, a model of such a helicopter may appear at one of the future exhibitions. However, the National Helicopter Center has not disclosed its plans so far.

Upgrade option


According to the disclosed data, the new helicopter is largely similar to the serial Mi-24P or even developed on its basis. It is envisaged to preserve the previous scheme and architecture. So, the new helicopter will be twin-engine and will receive one main rotor. The fuselage will retain a cargo-passenger cabin, suitable for transporting fighters with equipment, bedridden wounded or cargo.

The project provides for the use of a digital flight and navigation complex with all the necessary instruments. Also, the avionics included a surveillance and sighting system based on digital components, including an optical-electronic station. All systems must have a day and night channel, which will ensure round-the-clock efficient operation. Appropriate control devices have been introduced for the use of suspended weapons, but their type and functions are not specified.


Helicopter wing and armament

The helicopter will be able to operate at any time of the day, which is also reflected in the concept. So, the composition of the equipment of the pilots should include a helmet-mounted night vision device, and the instrumentation of the cockpit and controls will receive a special coating. It also offers dual-mode lighting equipment outside the machine. In one of the modes, the signals will be visible only through night vision devices, which will improve camouflage in flight.

The new look of the transport-combat helicopter includes a built-in gun mount. Mobile or stationary - TASS does not specify. Also, the machine will be able to carry rocket and bomb weapons, unguided and guided. The nomenclature of weapons is not defined; the choice is up to the customer.

To increase survivability, it is proposed to use an airborne defense system with several components for different purposes. So, sensors for detecting missile launches are placed in the wing nacelles. Also, BKO will receive systems for shooting false thermal targets.

The performance characteristics of the concept are not specified. It is possible that the project has not reached the stage of development when such parameters will be determined. The same applies to the exact combat qualities - they depend on the weapons used and other wishes of the military.


Development trends


The appearance of a promising transport and combat helicopter is only partially disclosed, and some of its features and characteristics remain unknown. However, the published information is of great interest and allows you to understand what a new car can be. In addition, information from TASS shows possible ways for the further development of domestic combat helicopters.

First of all, the new patent shows that the NCV considers it necessary to continue developing the idea of ​​a helicopter that combines combat and transport functions. At the same time, it is necessary to take as a basis for such a machine not a transport helicopter of the Mi-8 type, but a combat Mi-24. The operating experience of domestic helicopter technology shows that such a solution makes sense.

The new concept shows that NCV has no plans to abandon developments on the Mi-24/35 and intends to use this platform in new projects. The general architecture of this helicopter corresponds to the assigned transport and combat missions. Through one or another of its improvements, as well as through the use of optimal units, you can get the required level of performance characteristics. Judging by the disclosed information, the patented project provides just such a way to create a new combat vehicle.

To provide advantages over the basic Mi-24P, it is proposed to massively introduce digital navigation, surveillance and weapon control devices. This will increase the overall technical characteristics, as well as ensure compatibility with new weapons and thereby improve combat qualities. The question of the composition of radio-electronic systems has not yet been disclosed. It is possible that the new helicopter will be able to get a surveillance and sighting radar with an over-hub placement, as on the main modifications of the Mi-28.


The most important part of the new project is the airborne defense system, which is absent on serial Mi-24s. In recent weeks, Russian attack helicopters participating in the Special Operation in Ukraine have clearly demonstrated and confirmed the full benefit of such devices. It is obvious that any new combat helicopter must be equipped with air defense systems of one composition or another.

The question of armaments remains open. It can be assumed that the 30-mm cannon, traditional for our helicopters, will be preserved, and, unlike the existing Mi-24s, it will be placed on a mobile mount. The complex of missile weapons should include all relevant and promising samples, such as the Whirlwind-M, Ataka and Hermes. Due to this, the new helicopter will be able to attack ground and air targets at increased ranges.

New generation


The National Helicopter Center continues to work out ways to improve existing combat helicopters. Latest news show that in the framework of such work, the idea of ​​​​a transport-combat helicopter is also being developed. Existing solutions and architectures are implemented using modern developments and devices - and this already gives an interesting result.

The appearance of a new patent may indicate that the development of the Mi-24/35 family of combat helicopters will continue. A promising helicopter of this class will be able to retain common features and get new features, due to which it will improve performance and expand capabilities. However, so far we are only talking about shaping the appearance of such a machine. The further fate of such a concept depends on the potential customer, his opinion and needs.
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  1. -12
    April 12 2022 17: 21
    I like MI-24 more than Ka-52 and MI-28. MI-24 is simply gorgeous, and a skillfully modified one will probably be even cooler.

    Here, or in the cart, there was a video from the Ka-52 cockpit, the pilot is shaken well in flight, or a decent vibration is reflected in the suspended weapons, including NURs. As it looked, not very (
    This is probably minus 2 of the system.
    1. +4
      April 12 2022 17: 33
      Quote: Nikolay87
      I like MI-24 more than Ka-52 and MI-28

      "Crocodile" will still show itself! Wonderful car.
    2. +9
      April 12 2022 18: 11
      Coaxial scheme for the Ka-52. :)
      And "shakes" them all. Well, here's the first one -
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xtPFAJSf94
      Look at the bar. Constantly jumping. A lot depends on the mode of flight. from the use of weapons. From the wind ... The design provides for some bending during operation. I’m generally silent about large letaki. They flap their wings so that it's scary to look at an hour.
      1. 0
        April 12 2022 18: 58
        Part of that video. The pilot seems to be shaking.
        1. +2
          April 12 2022 19: 44
          Yes. I see. There is still active maneuvering. Then NURS launches and firing of heat traps.
        2. -1
          5 July 2022 00: 05
          bad asphalt...
    3. +5
      April 12 2022 20: 05
      So the helicopter flies because it shakes!!!!!!
    4. 0
      27 May 2022 08: 26
      Quote: Nikolay87
      I like MI-24 more than Ka-52 and MI-28. MI-24 is simply gorgeous, and a skillfully modified one will probably be even cooler.

      Here, or in the cart, there was a video from the Ka-52 cockpit, the pilot is shaken well in flight, or a decent vibration is reflected in the suspended weapons, including NURs. As it looked, not very (
      This is probably minus 2 of the system.

      beard joke:
      two graduates of the flight school meet, and decided to celebrate the meeting
      sat down at the table and one begins to pour: himself to the brim, and a friend - half!
      he begins to resent, but he explains - I retrained - as a helicopter pilot;
      and while I carry the glass to my mouth, half will spill
    5. 0
      4 June 2022 23: 33
      It’s probably not correct to compare “like” whatever one may say, the Ka-52 and Mi-28 are attack helicopters, and in the article we talk about “transport-combat”, well, whether the pilot or cameras jump, this is also in my opinion the case of the 25th when compared you have devices that are smaller, more maneuverable, more armored .. well, the Ka-52 seems to have a pilot ejection.
      But the main thing is the goals, and they can be seen from the names of the types of machines.
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  3. +28
    April 12 2022 17: 32
    Thank God that this article is from Kirill Ryabov, which means "nothing about".
    How much can Mile cut loot on the well-deserved Mi-24? Leave alone the project of the last century! He did his job with honor.
    Who in their right mind can imagine an attack helicopter also carrying paratroopers (about a ton of weight) instead of weapons? What is its main task? Suppression of opposition from the ground or landing?
    Enough is enough stop
    1. -22
      April 12 2022 17: 44
      sawing loot is our everything)
      Maybe there is a place to be - import substitution?) Maybe at 24 there were parts manufactured in Ukraine, but it makes no sense to replace, it's easier to modernize and in the end it will turn out like Rogozin - the rocket is old, but in Khokhloma)
    2. -3
      April 12 2022 18: 04
      On the website, Zverev from the Russian Motor Design Bureau provides shocking data on the economics of a helicopter flight. If there is anything to optimize, it is economy. The rest has already been thought of before us. The current helicopters are universal and not very effective in some manifestations. It is possible to expand the nomenclature with some unification by aggregates. There is an Armata caterpillar platform, maybe there will be a flying Armata? Recall the Ka-26 with the fastening of various modules.
      Right now I’m thinking about Kaz for turntables, maybe these will be six-barreled 5.45 assault rifles with a high reaction speed and the ability to predict the angle of fire based on the situation?
      1. +6
        April 12 2022 18: 59
        Quote: surok1
        On the website, Zverev from the Russian Motor Design Bureau provides shocking data on the economics of a helicopter flight. If there is anything to optimize, it is economy.

        For the army, what side is this? Here I saved a penny, there I lost a dozen.
        Quote: surok1
        The current helicopters are universal and not very effective in some manifestations. It is possible to expand the nomenclature with some unification by aggregates. There is an Armata caterpillar platform, maybe there will be a flying Armata? Recall the Ka-26 with the fastening of various modules.

        What is the versatility of the Ka-52? What kind of modules and why on an attack helicopter, except for weapons, armor and protection? Can you explain?
        Quote: surok1
        Right now I’m thinking about Kaz for turntables, maybe these will be six-barreled 5.45 assault rifles with a high reaction speed and the ability to predict the angle of fire based on the situation?

        What is not immediately gravitsapa? Have you been to a psychiatrist for a long time?
        1. +1
          April 14 2022 06: 26
          Quote: Adrey
          What is not immediately gravitsapa?

          With a gravity cap, tension. Her Danelia took Kin-dza-dza to shoot, so she disappeared!
        2. 0
          April 14 2022 09: 44
          "Why not gravitsapa right away? Did you have a psychiatrist for a long time?"
          Remember how in the movie "Under Siege", a normal person will not come up with such a weapon ... :))
          The reaction time for a rocket launch is relatively long. The launch is registered by the OLS, which is not that expensive. Bullets fly strictly in the direction of the rocket, the KAZ helicopter cannot be exploding. Instead of a cloud of fragments, or shrapnel, a cloud of bullets is created. The firing distance is small, the target is not protected, although small. What is illogical in this? Does the helicopter have a locator and a computer? So, situational awareness? Based on the situation, dangerous directions can be predicted and the probability of hitting can be increased.
          But who am I writing this to?
          The Ka-26 was a famous and beloved agricultural helicopter with a flying chassis.
      2. 0
        April 13 2022 02: 20
        The idea is normal, but it seems to me better on the basis of already proven technologies (for example, "Arena") only with a more distant detonation from a helicopter.
        1. 0
          April 14 2022 09: 50
          The arena is highly optimized for tanks.
          1. +1
            April 14 2022 10: 03
            To defeat an air defense missile, the fire density of a machine gun will not be enough (rocket speed, helicopter maneuvers, the effect of external conditions on the movement of a helicopter), if you use a machine gun, then you need a product with a very high rate of fire.
            1. 0
              April 14 2022 10: 08
              Or even two machine guns with a high rate of fire. In fact, these are machine guns, the caliber is small.
              1. 0
                April 14 2022 11: 03
                A massive fragmentation defeat seems to me more preferable. a large cone of destruction makes it possible to level out the inevitable errors in the guidance of the MANPADS missile destruction system.
                1. 0
                  April 14 2022 14: 16
                  Recently I saw the sighting of the Shell cannons, they are adjusted for scatter.
                  But the Arena hits the rocket from the side, the outline of the rocket is wider from the side, yes. Requires accurate synchronization, rangefinder.
    3. -1
      April 12 2022 19: 01
      Quote: Adrey
      Thank God that this article is from Kirill Ryabov, which means "nothing about".
      How much can Mile cut loot on the well-deserved Mi-24? Leave alone the project of the last century! He did his job with honor.
      Who in their right mind can imagine an attack helicopter also carrying paratroopers (about a ton of weight) instead of weapons? What is its main task? Suppression of opposition from the ground or landing?
      Enough is enough stop

      Shooting loot - smiled, you can at least understand that there is no airborne assault helicopter in more than one army in the world and that this allows, for example, to land troops or pick up a RG under intense enemy fire and not use additional support helicopters. Mi 24-35 is like an AK-47 that can be upgraded for more than one decade. The versatility of this helicopter is simply unique. Yes, and in terms of its flight characteristics, today it is not inferior to either the Mi-28 or the Ka-52.
      1. +2
        April 12 2022 19: 13
        Quote: Havoc
        you can at least understand that there is no airborne assault helicopter in more than one army in the world

        Can you argue why a car produced since the 70s of the last century has no analogues in the armies of the world? Maybe they don’t give a fuck about this?
        1. -3
          April 12 2022 19: 59
          Quote: Adrey
          Quote: Havoc
          you can at least understand that there is no airborne assault helicopter in more than one army in the world

          Can you argue why a car produced since the 70s of the last century has no analogues in the armies of the world? Maybe they don’t give a fuck about this?

          But it didn’t occur to them that they couldn’t do it, so that the weapons would carry a variety of weapons, so that the cargo compartment would be armored, and most importantly, it would not be inferior in speed to an attack helicopter to Western countries.
          1. +6
            April 12 2022 20: 05
            Quote: Havoc
            But it didn’t occur to them that they couldn’t do it, so that the weapons would carry a variety of weapons, so that the cargo compartment would be armored, and most importantly, it would not be inferior in speed to an attack helicopter to Western countries.

            A curtain belay stop
            1. 0
              April 12 2022 20: 31
              Quote: Adrey

              A curtain belay stop

              And in the case and reasoned to answer the question?
              1. 0
                April 12 2022 20: 52
                Sorry, I won’t bother with pictures, although I would like to, but I don’t know how.
                They were able to: Bell V-22 Osprey
                They were able to: Sikorsky S-97 Raider
                But in the Mi-24 they could not fellow. Here are the horses! laughing
                But we were able in Ka-52 angry
                1. +5
                  April 12 2022 21: 06
                  Quote: Adrey
                  Sorry, I won’t bother with pictures, although I would like to, but I don’t know how.
                  They were able to: Bell V-22 Osprey
                  They were able to: Sikorsky S-97 Raider
                  But in the Mi-24 they could not fellow. Here are the horses! laughing
                  But we were able to in the Ka-52 angry

                  Sikorsky S-97 Raider
                  Manufacturer Sikorsky
                  First flight May 22, 2015
                  Status In development
                  They also have a death star, that's for sure.
                  Bell is not quite a helicopter, without armor and without significant weapons.
                  1. -2
                    April 12 2022 21: 10
                    Quote: Havoc
                    Quote: Adrey
                    Sorry, I won’t bother with pictures, although I would like to, but I don’t know how.
                    They were able to: Bell V-22 Osprey
                    They were able to: Sikorsky S-97 Raider
                    But in the Mi-24 they could not fellow. Here are the horses! laughing
                    But we were able to in the Ka-52 angry

                    Sikorsky S-97 Raider
                    Manufacturer Sikorsky
                    First flight May 22, 2015
                    Status In development
                    They also have a death star, that's for sure.
                    Bell is not quite a helicopter, without armor and without significant weapons.

                    These are examples and information for your consideration.
                    1. -3
                      April 12 2022 21: 41
                      Quote: Adrey
                      Quote: Havoc
                      Quote: Adrey
                      Sorry, I won’t bother with pictures, although I would like to, but I don’t know how.
                      They were able to: Bell V-22 Osprey
                      They were able to: Sikorsky S-97 Raider
                      But in the Mi-24 they could not fellow. Here are the horses! laughing
                      But we were able to in the Ka-52 angry

                      Sikorsky S-97 Raider
                      Manufacturer Sikorsky
                      First flight May 22, 2015
                      Status In development
                      They also have a death star, that's for sure.
                      Bell is not quite a helicopter, without armor and without significant weapons.

                      These are examples and information for your consideration.

                      For what reason, citing as evidence the not yet ready Sikorsky helicopter, we are also working on the topic of high-speed helicopters, for example Mi-X1, , the Americans and Apache wanted to change to Comanche, where is that Comanche. After our scientists who left at one time, retired or died, they do little.
                      As for convertiplanes, this is a very capricious machine with a high accident rate, they still cannot solve the problem with air filters.
                      1. 0
                        April 12 2022 22: 31
                        Quote: Havoc
                        Quote: Adrey
                        Quote: Havoc
                        Quote: Adrey
                        Sorry, I won’t bother with pictures, although I would like to, but I don’t know how.
                        They were able to: Bell V-22 Osprey
                        They were able to: Sikorsky S-97 Raider
                        But in the Mi-24 they could not fellow. Here are the horses! laughing
                        But we were able to in the Ka-52 angry

                        Sikorsky S-97 Raider
                        Manufacturer Sikorsky
                        First flight May 22, 2015
                        Status In development
                        They also have a death star, that's for sure.
                        Bell is not quite a helicopter, without armor and without significant weapons.

                        These are examples and information for your consideration.

                        For what reason, citing as evidence the not yet ready Sikorsky helicopter, we are also working on the topic of high-speed helicopters, for example Mi-X1, , the Americans and Apache wanted to change to Comanche, where is that Comanche. After our scientists who left at one time, retired or died, they do little.
                        As for convertiplanes, this is a very capricious machine with a high accident rate, they still cannot solve the problem with air filters.


                        there is a very good article about Mi-x1.
                        https://aviarf.ru/ocherednoy-promah-roiyskoy-aviatsionnoy-promyishlenosti/
                        If you want to read - look at the dates ...

                        Accidents on convertiplanes are no longer a problem.
                        What was in the beginning has been eliminated many years ago.


                        Apache to Comanche - no one wanted to change.
                        Teach materiel.
                        The Comanche was supposed to replace Kiowa.
                        And partly Cobra.
                        The Comanche turned out to be an excellent helicopter.
                        But expensive and unnecessary.
                        After the collapse of the USSR, they no longer needed a raid scout of the battlefield of the Central European theater of operations.
                      2. +2
                        April 13 2022 15: 44
                        Quote: SovAr238A
                        Accidents on convertiplanes are no longer a problem.
                        .

                        Not a problem at all, on March 19, for example, it came up, but this is not a problem. laughing
                2. -2
                  April 12 2022 21: 27
                  Quote: Adrey
                  Sorry, I won’t bother with pictures, although I would like to, but I don’t know how.
                  They did it: Bell V-22 Osprey
                  They did it: Sikorsky S-97 Raider
                  But in the Mi-24 they could not. Here are the horses!
                  But we were able to in the Ka-52

                  Let me explain "to avoid".
                  When meeting with the Ka-52, "Cobra" is better to run immediately, and "Apache" will have to try hard to stay alive.
                  1. -1
                    April 12 2022 22: 28
                    Quote: Adrey
                    Quote: Adrey
                    Sorry, I won’t bother with pictures, although I would like to, but I don’t know how.
                    They did it: Bell V-22 Osprey
                    They did it: Sikorsky S-97 Raider
                    But in the Mi-24 they could not. Here are the horses!
                    But we were able to in the Ka-52

                    Let me explain "to avoid".
                    When meeting with the Ka-52, "Cobra" is better to run immediately, and "Apache" will have to try hard to stay alive.


                    Oh come on ...
                    In NATO strategy, the Cobra-class helicopter is classified as light, so it has only an offensive strategy.
                    And all over the world, helicopter pilots have recognized (based on the results of all real and training battles) one rule - whoever saw the enemy first - he won.
                    1. -2
                      April 13 2022 10: 21
                      Quote: SovAr238A
                      Oh come on ...

                      well embellished a bit laughing.
                      Tokmo in order to say that the Ka-52 is very good. Quite at the level of foreign classmates.
                  2. 0
                    10 May 2022 18: 50
                    The range of radar and missiles, the Apache will somehow have more
                3. +1
                  April 12 2022 22: 28
                  The above-mentioned litaks are capable of covering targets in the same way as the MI-24. Under fire, are they able to sit down and pick up the wounded?
                  1. +3
                    April 13 2022 01: 52
                    Quote: SoboL
                    The above-mentioned litaks are capable of covering targets in the same way as the MI-24. Under fire, are they able to sit down and pick up the wounded?

                    Yes capable! Mi-8MT!
                    1. +1
                      April 13 2022 08: 51
                      It was about: Bell V-22 Osprey and Sikorsky S-97 Raider
                4. +1
                  April 13 2022 05: 31
                  Quote: Adrey
                  Sorry, I won’t bother with pictures, although I would like to, but I don’t know how.
                  They were able to: Bell V-22 Osprey
                  They were able to: Sikorsky S-97 Raider
                  But in the Mi-24 they could not fellow. Here are the horses! laughing
                  But we were able in Ka-52 angry

                  Well, as if they do not carry weapons and will not. Why are you mixing everything in one heap, confusing warm with soft? Smart as fuck? Picked up some words and decided to get out?
          2. 0
            April 12 2022 22: 24
            Quote: Havoc

            But it didn’t occur to them that they couldn’t do it, so that the weapons would carry a variety of weapons, so that the cargo compartment would be armored, and most importantly, it would not be inferior in speed to an attack helicopter to Western countries.


            If you looked at the projects of helicopters that were in the form of experimental ones and, as a result, not accepted for service, you would know that there were similar projects.
            Helicopter schools in the west are no worse than ours.
            Sikorsky, Bell, Agusta, Westland, Aerospatial - they all made great helicopters.
            There are cars that we don't have the likes of.
            We have cars they didn't make.
            They have a huge school of private helicopter building, where, due to the colossal number of users in the world, they have tested a lot of things to the ideal state.

            It may just be in their concept - there is no desire to make a high-speed armed armored bus?
            Just because on the battlefield - will it always be inferior to a high-speed armed armored sports car?
            But just a bus will always outperform a high-speed armed armored bus.
            For, as we have seen many times, what was relevant at the time of development, and the ideas of the Mi-24, as a continuation of the Mi-8 in the form of a combat helicopter (blindly copying the ideas of Iroquois and Korba at its base) have been going on since the analysis of the Vietnam War 60 -s years...
            So there is no need to idolize the Mi-24 now, after 50 years ...
            He has had it.

            Over these 50 years, the means of MANPADS have become such that when using it, the helicopter has very few chances, especially for the old one, where no one bothered to reduce thermal visibility, acoustic visibility ...
            No one has ever calculated the ergonomics of the cockpit.
            For all this was done 50 years ago, when no one even knew about industrial design - technological design.
            1. +2
              April 13 2022 05: 34
              The question is, which helicopter did not lag behind? It is a military transport with the function of a drummer?
            2. 0
              April 13 2022 09: 28
              Apparently, 50 years ago you didn’t even exist, and we studied ergonomics, it’s not clear what industrial design is, it’s like turning a nut with a sledgehammer!?
            3. 0
              April 14 2022 02: 12
              Quote: SovAr238A
              Mi-24, as a continuation of the Mi-8 in the form of a combat helicopter (blindly copying the idea of ​​Iroquois and Korba at its base) - have been going since the analysis of the Vietnam War of the 60s ...

              Not quite right. Mil initially had the idea to create three types of helicopters at once on a single propeller group:
              - transport Mi-8,
              - armored flying infantry fighting vehicle Mi-24,
              - - flying tank Mi-28.
              But the Mi-28 (he was just the ideological follower of the Cobra - purely shock and well armored) was not allowed to create it. And even the idea of ​​​​the Mi-24 did not immediately find support. And if not for the Afghan war, then perhaps it would not have received such distribution. But good armor protection, good strike capabilities, high speed and the ability to pick up the wounded or the landing group from the battlefield (he couldn’t take off with the landing and full ammo, there wasn’t enough thrust, he poured one or the other) ... And how he liked to his bosses fly ... feel .
              In a word, a very successful car, and with more powerful engines, new propellers, an X-shaped steering wheel, its capabilities were revealed even more fully. During modernization, it can receive new weapons (while retaining the ability to use the old), a protection system against MANPADS (like the Ka-52), a new OLS, an SLA. This is a proven machine, debugged in production and operation, and it will serve for a long time.
              By the way, the Mi-28 was originally supposed to be with a propeller group from the Mi-8, but when work on it was allowed, it was already designed with a new gearbox.
              By the way, the Americans really like (and always liked) the Mi-24, they really envied us and didn’t really hide this envy.
              And it is very good that we have this type of helicopter, it has its own niche of application, and its cargo-passenger compartment has always been a plus. At least in the fact that the crew of the downed and sat down on the forced, they could immediately pick up during the battle / combat mission, without calling rescuers, they could pick up the wounded from the battlefield immediately after working out against the enemy, or a special forces group.
              Quote: SovAr238A
              Because this was done 50 years ago.

              Look at the Mi-8, it was made even earlier, and in new modifications it is still in service and there will be no change for it. For the best in its class.
              So the Mi-24 \ 35 in its latest modifications is quite up to par, corresponds to the existing tasks and will serve for a long time. And in this class - "flying infantry fighting vehicles", he is generally the only one.
              1. 0
                10 May 2022 18: 54
                The radar would still be put, over the sleeve
                1. 0
                  10 May 2022 19: 59
                  If they act in tandem with the Mi-28, then it is not necessary. After all, this is a flying infantry fighting vehicle, and not a pure drummer. Yes, and such an innovation will complicate / increase the cost of a completely good helicopter.
        2. +4
          April 12 2022 20: 11
          Quote: Adrey
          Can you argue why a car produced since the 70s of the last century has no analogues in the armies of the world?

          is there at least one example of combat use in this version?
          1. -1
            April 12 2022 20: 13
            Quote: A1845
            is there at least one example of combat use in this version?

            Is that a question for me?
      2. 0
        April 14 2022 05: 36
        fasten the coaxial scheme again mi 24-35! then finally the thing will be, I'm serious, but better Crossed blades (Synchropter) so as not like Kamov's or a cyclolet
      3. 0
        April 14 2022 10: 04
        Plus great firepower, flying BMP (which it is).
    4. 0
      April 12 2022 19: 05
      And why does the concept of airborne assault not have the right to life? The same Mi-8s (albeit with a stretch) of the latest series can be attributed to this type. Why is an amphibious helicopter bad, that it can very seriously snap back when trying to counter?
      1. +2
        April 12 2022 19: 16
        Quote: Monar
        And why does the concept of airborne assault not have the right to life? The same Mi-8s (albeit with a stretch) of the latest series can be attributed to this type. Why is an amphibious helicopter bad, that it can very seriously snap back when trying to counter?

        Eight with NURSs and a machine gun, and that's enough. The main work of clearing should be done by armored and armed brothers, without being distracted from their main task.
        1. +2
          April 12 2022 19: 59
          This is ideal. And if the Russian Federation also has a middle point, then why not use it? Again, 23mm from GSh-23L, and at least for "pressing it to the ground" before landing, in my humble opinion, is more effective than a GXNUMX machine gun .. Let the specialists correct it.
          1. -4
            April 12 2022 20: 03
            Quote: Monar
            And if the Russian Federation also has a middle one, then why not use it?

            You can't be "a little bit pregnant".
            1. 0
              April 12 2022 20: 35
              What does "slightly" mean? 24 carries decent weapons. Here "slightly" already obviously does not pass.
              1. -2
                April 12 2022 20: 44
                Quote: Monar
                What does "slightly" mean? 24 carries decent weapons. Here "slightly" already obviously does not pass.

                Does she carry troops as an attack helicopter?
                1. 0
                  April 12 2022 22: 26
                  Quote: Adrey
                  Quote: Monar
                  What does "slightly" mean? 24 carries decent weapons. Here "slightly" already obviously does not pass.

                  Does she carry troops as an attack helicopter?

                  Eight eliminators on both sides with mounts for small arms, so that the landing party can very well increase the firepower of the helicopter.
                  1. 0
                    April 13 2022 10: 27
                    Quote: Havoc
                    Eight eliminators on both sides with mounts for small arms, so that the landing party can very well increase the firepower of the helicopter.

                    Eight fighters in full body kit, that's more than a ton of weight. That is, minus a ton of weapons for an attack helicopter.
                    1. -1
                      April 13 2022 13: 51
                      Quote: Adrey
                      Quote: Havoc
                      Eight eliminators on both sides with mounts for small arms, so that the landing party can very well increase the firepower of the helicopter.

                      Eight fighters in full body kit, that's more than a ton of weight. That is, minus a ton of weapons for an attack helicopter.

                      What a ton, there is a certain number of hangers for armament of a helicopter, you will carry it inside. Or you don’t understand that you can’t hang more than you have.
                      1. 0
                        April 13 2022 13: 57
                        Let's close the topic. If it pops up somewhere else, we'll continue the discussion. hi
          2. +1
            April 13 2022 01: 58
            Quote: Monar
            This is ideal. And if the Russian Federation also has a middle point, then why not use it? Again, 23mm from GSh-23L, and at least for "pressing it to the ground" before landing, in my humble opinion, is more effective than a GXNUMX machine gun .. Let the specialists correct it.

            And if you hang two blocks with GSh-8-2 on the 23-ku? And two with S-8 or AGS?
        2. +3
          April 12 2022 20: 12
          Quote: Adrey
          The main work of cleaning should be done by armored and armed brothers,

          and disembarkation - transport, everything is logical
      2. +2
        April 12 2022 20: 19
        Quote: Monar
        . Why is an amphibious helicopter bad, that it can snap back very seriously when trying to counteract?
        Sorry for the paratroopers. It's not about weapons, it's about tactics. Use this helicopter as a pure landing helicopter - no questions asked.
        And if the landing force is not landed (that is, the airborne assault helicopter is used as an assault helicopter), then the released weight should have been put on armor and weapons.
        1. 0
          April 12 2022 22: 09
          Quote: bk0010
          Quote: Monar
          . Why is an amphibious helicopter bad, that it can snap back very seriously when trying to counteract?
          Sorry for the paratroopers. It's not about weapons, it's about tactics. Use this helicopter as a pure landing helicopter - no questions asked.
          And if the landing force is not landed (that is, the airborne assault helicopter is used as an assault helicopter), then the released weight should have been put on armor and weapons.

          Actually, on the Mi-24, the gondola is fully armored with the exception of the tail boom, and the armament is completely the same as on the Mi-28 and Ka-52. Unlike the Mi-8, the landing force is in relative safety.
          1. +1
            April 13 2022 20: 40
            Booking is good, but it can still be shot down during an attack. I don't like the idea of ​​storming anything with troops on board.
            1. 0
              April 13 2022 22: 41
              Quote: bk0010
              Booking is good, but it can still be shot down during an attack. I don't like the idea of ​​storming anything with troops on board.

              Seriously, you can look at how attack helicopters are shot down, but from the landing force, he Mi-24, of course, does not specifically enter into battle, only to cover the landing.
      3. +1
        April 13 2022 19: 50
        Quote: Monar
        Why is an amphibious helicopter bad, that it can very seriously snap back when trying to counter?

        Physics gets in the way. With the same engines and gearbox with a combat load, an air assault helicopter will not be able to raise troops, and if it takes all the troops, its weapons will be a couple of Nurs blocks like on a transport cow. Either one or the other.
      4. 0
        April 14 2022 10: 05
        There is no such nomenclature of weapons, detection and guidance systems.
    5. +10
      April 12 2022 20: 16
      Quote: Adrey
      article from Ryabov Kirill, which means "nothing"

      and the truth is, you read - like you chew cotton
    6. +1
      April 12 2022 22: 26
      The Mi-24 concept was recognized as erroneous back in the USSR. If you need a multi-purpose helicopter, it is made from a transport one. Now common practice. The Mi-8AMTSh is in no way inferior to the Mi-24, rather superior.


      1. -2
        April 13 2022 13: 56
        Quote: OgnennyiKotik
        The Mi-24 concept was recognized as erroneous back in the USSR. If you need a multi-purpose helicopter, it is made from a transport one. Now common practice. The Mi-8AMTSh is in no way inferior to the Mi-24, rather superior.



        And you will mount armor plates on self-tapping screws, all the goodies of the Mi-24 are that it is fully armored, unlike a pure transporter.
      2. 0
        April 14 2022 10: 07
        And who specifically recognized it as erroneous? I don’t think that those who went through Afghanistan and Chechnya.
    7. +2
      April 13 2022 10: 25
      Quote: Adrey
      How much can Mile cut loot on the well-deserved Mi-24? Leave alone the project of the last century!

      This is KB MIL! Even under the USSR, the KA-29 beat the MI-24 in all respects, and here, as we see, the undercover fuss wins again .. The KA-50 was gobbled up and now the pilots are being coffined on the Widowmakers, and the very concept of a flying infantry fighting vehicle is in demand only in dreams in real life no one uses this on a permanent basis, and if in Afghanistan they said that the MI-24 is unsuitable for the mountains (because the Static ceiling: 1400 m), then in the current conflict it seems to be just the theater for which it was created but is still used as a pure striker carrying a landing the cockpit is like a ballast .. After the frames with the tail boom flying off, the question of the classical scheme for a combat helicopter is generally an edge, but our bureaucrats do not care! I recommend everyone to read the article about the KA-29 on the "Corner of the Sky" where the static ceiling, controllability, vibrations, and much more are analyzed in detail .. http: //www.airwar.ru/enc/sh/ka29.html
      1. -2
        April 13 2022 14: 12
        Quote: max702
        Quote: Adrey
        How much can Mile cut loot on the well-deserved Mi-24? Leave alone the project of the last century!

        This is KB MIL! Even under the USSR, the KA-29 beat the MI-24 in all respects, and here, as we see, the undercover fuss wins again .. The KA-50 was gobbled up and now the pilots are being coffined on the Widowmakers, and the very concept of a flying infantry fighting vehicle is in demand only in dreams in real life no one uses this on a permanent basis, and if in Afghanistan they said that the MI-24 is unsuitable for the mountains (because the Static ceiling: 1400 m), then in the current conflict it seems to be just the theater for which it was created but is still used as a pure striker carrying a landing the cockpit is like a ballast .. After the frames with the tail boom flying off, the question of the classical scheme for a combat helicopter is generally an edge, but our bureaucrats do not care! I recommend everyone to read the article about the KA-29 on the "Corner of the Sky" where the static ceiling, controllability, vibrations, and much more are analyzed in detail .. http: //www.airwar.ru/enc/sh/ka29.html

        You and the ships are g ... but drag, there was no Ka-29 in Afghanistan, the test was carried out, in my opinion, somewhere near Tashkent. It was produced for the entire three years for the Navy, then it was discontinued. An advertising article, like a feature film about the Ka 50. Kamov has two super models, the Ka-32 and Ka-52
        1. -1
          April 13 2022 15: 43
          Yes, it wasn’t, Mil Design Bureau lay down with bones but did not allow this, because their office would have to be closed, and the management would have to be shot .. Today everything falls into place ..
      2. +1
        April 13 2022 23: 24
        Nevertheless, the myth about the alleged uncontrollability of the K-50 by one pilot (which is why it was removed) has already spread even among cadets of schools. I've dealt with this myself. The question is, why the hell are these mediocrity needed then ?!
        1. 0
          April 14 2022 06: 40
          KB Mil was very afraid for their warm places, so they organized a PR campaign, the current conflict puts everything in its place.
    8. -3
      April 13 2022 11: 59
      And in what way will zpr. save downed pilots in the depths of the enemy, or occupy some important object? Send MI8 or AN26? Mi 24 and 35 and their modifications are THE BEST CONCEPT for this. Even today, it is one of the fastest helicopters in the world, it has enough maneuverability, armor (maybe better) and with good means of protection and a fire system, and today and in the future it is ideal for such operations. FLYING INFANTRY, it is often a better solution than landing parachutima on the ice, besides this, the losses are much less than those of large vehicles, etc. From my point of view, are you deeply mistaken about the MI24 concept?
      1. -2
        April 13 2022 12: 04
        And unfortunately today's operation in practice, he saved the sales of pilots and not MI8 for various reasons. What do you think that MI8 was not enough and that the officers do not know what tools need to do what operation?
    9. 0
      13 June 2022 12: 16
      So it’s worth finishing it for the possibility of loading a ton of bombs, a cargo container, a radar station and much more.
    10. 0
      14 May 2023 22: 57
      Well, he doesn’t often carry troops, but DRGs, border guards, signalmen, spotters, and vice versa, evacuation issues are very much in demand, but now they are trying to arm the MI-8 due to their better capacity and the rare destruction of vehicles with small arms, but in general the mi-24s are very much in demand Worldwide.
      The helicopter is quite balanced.
      Moreover, strike vehicles will soon become unmanned, this is obvious, while transport-combat vehicles will still be in demand.
  4. +4
    April 12 2022 17: 43
    A little early. Usually, after a serious war, some time should pass in order to summarize and analyze the experience of combat use (and helicopters have not been so widely used by our army since the Afghan war). And develop the concept of new technology for decades after the war.
    Most of the equipment developed in the last years of the Second World War did not stay in production for a long time. But what was developed already in a calm environment in the first post-war years became the basis of military power for decades.
    I think that something similar will happen after this, the largest war after the Second World War. I am now even glad that such samples of new equipment as Armata, Kurganets 25t., and Boomerang did not have time to go into production. Now many application concepts will change, which may lead to some change in the appearance of this technique.
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    2. +3
      April 12 2022 22: 51
      Quote: Vadmir
      A little early. Usually, after a serious war, some time should pass in order to summarize and analyze the experience of combat use (and helicopters have not been so widely used by our army since the Afghan war). And develop the concept of new technology for decades after the war.
      Most of the equipment developed in the last years of the Second World War did not stay in production for a long time. But what was developed already in a calm environment in the first post-war years became the basis of military power for decades.
      I think that something similar will happen after this, the largest war after the Second World War. I am now even glad that such samples of new equipment as Armata, Kurganets 25t., and Boomerang did not have time to go into production. Now many application concepts will change, which may lead to some change in the appearance of this technique.


      Actually, it was one big war.
      Vietnamese.
      Which gave a lot to the Americans and not so much to ours.

      There were many Arab-Israeli wars.
      Which also gave food for thought.
      The Iran-Iraq war, in which helicopters were involved very seriously.
      Two Iraqi Wars.
      Why do we need our own war - if other people's wars give experience no less than that of the participants in these wars, in the presence of high-quality intelligence?
      This is a billion times cheaper in terms of money.
      And no lives lost.
      1. -1
        April 13 2022 00: 15
        Why do we need our own war - if other people's wars give experience no less than that of the participants in these wars, in the presence of high-quality intelligence?
        This is a billion times cheaper in terms of money.
        And no lives lost.
        Alas, they learn only from their bumps. Other wars are theory, practice only from experience.
      2. +2
        April 13 2022 05: 36
        Well, how would it be OTHER TVD and OTHER ARMIES.
  5. +2
    April 12 2022 17: 59
    Quote: Vadmir
    I am now even glad that such samples of new equipment as Armata, Kurganets 25t., and Boomerang did not have time to go into production. Now many application concepts will change, which may lead to some change in the appearance of this technique.

    It's you to THAT guys THERE, in the BMP-1, tell am
    1. -3
      April 12 2022 18: 34
      You can not spoil the porridge with oil.
      1. +2
        April 12 2022 19: 01
        Quote: surok1
        You can not spoil the porridge with oil.

        How else can you ruin it! If no brains! No need to "shove into the unpushed." Even for the loot! am
        1. 0
          April 14 2022 09: 56
          So I read about the efforts to increase the armor of the BMP, it just doesn’t work out without losing buoyancy. And these are strange requirements to force the river on the move and in battle. Is anyone doing this now? Although, when landing from a ship, this is true. If to increase buoyancy it was possible to fasten something plastic on the side and on the nose? Something really cheap.
    2. -3
      April 12 2022 19: 15
      It is unfortunate that some soldiers of the DPR and LPR are fighting on the BMP-1. But, for example, what I'm glad about is that the tankers of the Russian army have a lot of successfully modernized T-72B3 and T-80BVM tanks, there are hundreds of them. In such a large-scale war, in terms of scope, this is much better than a few dozen brand new T-14s. Before the war, I myself criticized the slowness of adopting new types of weapons, but I, unlike the leadership, could not know that this war would happen, especially since I did not know about the timing. The development of the T-14 tank would take a lot of time, they would not have had time to do a lot of them before the war, but this would put an end to the modernization program. And our fighters would go into battle on outdated equipment, and a handful of T-14s would not make the weather.
      1. +2
        April 12 2022 22: 54
        Quote: Vadmir
        It is unfortunate that some soldiers of the DPR and LPR are fighting on the BMP-1. But, for example, what I'm glad about is that the tankers of the Russian army have a lot of successfully modernized T-72B3 and T-80BVM tanks, there are hundreds of them. In such a large-scale war, in terms of scope, this is much better than a few dozen brand new T-14s. Before the war, I myself criticized the slowness of adopting new types of weapons, but I, unlike the leadership, could not know that this war would happen, especially since I did not know about the timing. The development of the T-14 tank would take a lot of time, they would not have had time to do a lot of them before the war, but this would put an end to the modernization program. And our fighters would go into battle on outdated equipment, and a handful of T-14s would not make the weather.


        Mastering a new tank is a parallel process.
        And it does not affect the presence of modernized tanks in any way.
        And as for a successful modernization - I do not see the qualitative superiority of our modernized ones over those that were not modernized.
        Hundreds of tanks lost both.
        1. 0
          April 13 2022 00: 12
          And as for a successful modernization - I don’t see the qualitative superiority of our
          Do you see the difference between the T-72B and T-72B3?
          Mastering a new tank is a parallel process.
          And it does not affect the presence of modernized tanks in any way.
          This is not true, if the modernization was carried out at other plants, then yes. But modernization is carried out at UVZ and cannot, in principle, not affect one another. I'm not talking about money - money costs both.
          Hundreds of tanks lost both.
          Yes, but we still have a lot of tanks, but if there were T-14s, they would have suffered fewer losses, but for more than a month of war, with the crazy density of anti-tank systems and RPGs, almost nothing would have been left of them. But the war does not end and you would have to fight on tanks that have not undergone modernization.
        2. -2
          April 13 2022 05: 37
          Quote: SovAr238A
          Quote: Vadmir
          It is unfortunate that some soldiers of the DPR and LPR are fighting on the BMP-1. But, for example, what I'm glad about is that the tankers of the Russian army have a lot of successfully modernized T-72B3 and T-80BVM tanks, there are hundreds of them. In such a large-scale war, in terms of scope, this is much better than a few dozen brand new T-14s. Before the war, I myself criticized the slowness of adopting new types of weapons, but I, unlike the leadership, could not know that this war would happen, especially since I did not know about the timing. The development of the T-14 tank would take a lot of time, they would not have had time to do a lot of them before the war, but this would put an end to the modernization program. And our fighters would go into battle on outdated equipment, and a handful of T-14s would not make the weather.


          Mastering a new tank is a parallel process.
          And it does not affect the presence of modernized tanks in any way.
          And as for a successful modernization - I do not see the qualitative superiority of our modernized ones over those that were not modernized.
          Hundreds of tanks lost both.

          Okay, why are you so modest you you don't see apparently you are you fighting?
  6. -1
    April 12 2022 18: 38
    I think that we can talk about a patent only between our own people. So far, this has not been mastered, and even when it has been mastered, but it has not been put up for sale abroad. In the military sphere, patents do not work.
  7. +2
    April 12 2022 18: 39
    The emergence of a new patent may indicate that
    Yes, it doesn't indicate anything. What is a patent for "technical appearance"?
    What do we have there? In the Mi-35, the landing gear is not retractable. Engines, gearbox, main and tail rotors based on developments from the Mi-28. Avionics is naturally modern. The gun is swivel. "The wings have been corrected.
    What remains in the bottom line for the Mi-24P? Everything is the same, plus replacing the GSh-2-30K with something more modern.
    Mi-24s have been modernized, are being modernized and will be modernized. This is normal and correct. A very successful platform in its class. But comparing it with purely attack helicopters is simply not correct.
    1. +2
      April 12 2022 20: 27
      Quote: Monar
      Yes, it doesn't indicate anything. What is a patent for "technical appearance"?

      It seems like a rumor, a patent was shown to one woman in the market, and the very phrase technical appearance sounds like a new style of a helicopter, and this new style immediately gave rise to a "new concept"
  8. +7
    April 12 2022 20: 40
    The author, like O. Bender, has a special Ceremonial Set of blanks for writing khurda, a set of clichés for the required number of characters to secure the fee. I remember: "The East flies under the roar of days, the lighthouse dawns, and among ditches and fields, a donkey goes for a walk." The meaning of the articles is exactly the same.
    1. +3
      April 12 2022 23: 15
      We haven't heard from Zhenya Damantsev for a long time. His outrageous fluctuations in the article screwed the brain counterclockwise! Srach was in the comments, already the smell was felt. Articles are rubbish. Yin and yang --- Ryabov and Damantsev ..
      1. 0
        April 14 2022 00: 06
        As far as I know, the editors of the Military Review refused the services of Damantsev. He became frankly insane, and in his articles carried too much nonsense. But Ryabov, as a full-time scribbler, is forbidden to criticize, you can run into a ban.
  9. +2
    April 12 2022 21: 54
    Quote: Havoc
    Quote: Adrey
    Quote: Havoc
    Quote: Adrey
    Sorry, I won’t bother with pictures, although I would like to, but I don’t know how.
    They did it: Bell V-22 Osprey
    They did it: Sikorsky S-97 Raider
    But in the Mi-24 they could not. Here are the horses!
    But we were able to in the Ka-52

    Sikorsky S-97 Raider
    Manufacturer Sikorsky
    First flight May 22, 2015
    Status In development
    They also have a death star, that's for sure.
    Bell is not quite a helicopter, without armor and without significant weapons.

    These are examples and information for your consideration.

    For what reason, citing as evidence the not yet ready Sikorsky helicopter, we are also working on the topic of high-speed helicopters, for example Mi-X1, , the Americans and Apache wanted to change to Comanche, where is that Comanche. After our scientists who left at one time, retired or died, they do little.
    As for convertiplanes, this is a very capricious machine with a high accident rate, they still cannot solve the problem with air filters.

    Do not flood. Don't divert the topic.
    Do you really think that "potential partners" for 50 years have not been able to develop anything like the Mi-24? Or didn't you even try?
    Quote: Havoc
    But it didn’t occur to them that they couldn’t do it, so that the weapons would carry a variety of weapons, so that the cargo compartment would be armored, and most importantly, it would not be inferior in speed to an attack helicopter to Western countries.

    If you tried, then the prototypes in the studio am
  10. +7
    April 12 2022 22: 00
    I flew with my colleagues in the cargo compartment of the Mi-24 with ten people. Well, what can I say ... You can sit there on the floor almost without bending down, but nothing more. The door is wide :) I vomited a little less than after a trip to the BMP-1. At least kerosene doesn't stink as much as diesel fuel :)
  11. +2
    April 12 2022 22: 10
    I haven’t heard about the Mil project to replace 24s for a long time ... .. I don’t remember the index ... ... but so - let all the flowers bloom ... ... more attack helicopters. Less unification.
  12. +3
    April 12 2022 22: 22
    And who would tell in how many "fantastic" stories the Mi-24 was mentioned! At one time, a certain “sample” was spinning on the Internet, from the filing of which readers learned about the Mi-24, armed with a 6-barreled 30-mm Gatling gun ... and about the Blue Dragon air defense helicopter based on the Mi-24, armed "super-rocket" air-to-air class R-90! By the way, if we talk about the new "stuffing" for the Mi-24, then it might be worth remembering how in a certain country (maybe South Africa?) they bought the Mi-24 after the collapse of the USSR ... "they started" the equipment with their avionics, weapons and received combat vehicles cheap and cheerful! tongue
  13. -3
    April 12 2022 23: 38
    Apparently, the PNK from the Mi-28 will be put on the Mi-24P. Logically. The Mi-28 is moving to a qualitatively new level, thanks to the radar, and it’s a pity to abandon the developments in the multi-channel helicopter OLS. Might be an interesting car...
  14. +2
    April 12 2022 23: 48
    The article is about nothing! fool "The performance characteristics of the concept are not specified." - that's all! negative
  15. +1
    April 13 2022 01: 15
    A number of nuances are missing:

    1. Helicopter, suo and other fillings are much more expensive than wearable ammunition.
    2. In a helicopter equipped according to claim 1, there will be less space for cargo / landing, or the car will be inadequately large.
    3. The transport vehicle should be small and cheap, and as a result - mass. Mi-8 is large for a mass machine.


    Thus, an attack helicopter must be expensive, heavy and carry a lot of weapons in order to increase firepower with a limited amount of scarce FMS and avionics.

    The transport helicopter of the battlefield should be small, poorly armed (up to removable machine guns / grenade launchers in the doors), carry a small amount of troops and be MASSIVE.
    1. 0
      April 13 2022 08: 50
      Yes, yes, it’s not worth preparing pilots for small transporters. Just the Mi-8, as a transport, which can deliver as many as 20 people, or oversized cargo, is close to the ideal dimension
      1. +1
        April 13 2022 08: 58
        A helicopter control course costs 1-2 million rubles.
        A full-fledged education in a state school is about 5 million in 4 years.

        Mi-8 costs 250 million.

        So yes, on the scale of the price of a helicopter, not really.
  16. 0
    April 13 2022 08: 45
    Completely failed concept. The level of the 1930s, when a light tank had to carry a cannon and carry infantry. In general, I would like to see a complete abandonment of the Soviet Mi-24s after the war. Mi-35s of the new release are still flying, but their existence is only the result of problems with the Mi-28N. And if they are resolved, then the Mi-35 is not needed either.
    1. +1
      April 13 2022 09: 21
      Quote: Sancho_SP
      Thus, an attack helicopter must be expensive, heavy and carry a lot of weapons in order to increase firepower with a limited amount of scarce FMS and avionics.

      The transport helicopter of the battlefield should be small, poorly armed (up to removable machine guns / grenade launchers in the doors), carry a small amount of troops and be MASSIVE.

      From the first point it follows that the helicopter must be large, because it is heavy, which means it must have at least a large propeller, and large sizes greatly reduce maneuverability and speed
      Completely agree with the second point.
      In general, military helicopters should be small
  17. +2
    April 13 2022 11: 22
    Damn, I forgot to go here, but when you read such articles, and even to match the comments, it's hard to resist.
    Okay, for now, I’ll type the text, save it as a draft, and then you’ll see, and I’ll do a more complete analysis.
    Where to begin? Yes, perhaps from the fact that KB them. The mile by the early eighties was more successful. And as usual for any successful organization, it began to actively lice up. That is, more and more specialists began to appear in the design bureau, not marked by a special design and inventive talent, but very skillful in terms of eyewash, undercover fighting, and so on and so forth.
    Already in the days of Afghanistan, the feedback from the design bureau with the flight and engineering staff turned into a pro forma.
    Visiting specialists did not even try to pretend that they listen to the wishes, rejecting all proposals unchanged - no way, because no way.
    Finally, KB Mil died when they ate Tishchenko. From that moment on, this organization turned into an office for the modernization of the former heritage and copying Western models. And if the legendary "Eight" is very difficult to spoil, then with copying, sorry, the development of "new" cars did not work out very well.
    Mi-28 miserably lost the Ka-50 competition and would have gone into oblivion, if not for one "but". The project of the Kamovites was too bold, only one pilot. And if the ordinary pilots of the combat units were not embarrassed by this fact, then the old farts from the headquarters reared up. They, too, at least sometimes need to fly, confirm the same class, and the beige of the “guide”, that is, the co-pilot, they do not agree to rise into the sky. As a result, the Ka-52 appeared, but the Mi-28 also got into the series.
    But among other things, and realizing that the launch of new machines in the series is a painful process, the Milevites decided to play it safe by launching the Mi-35M in the series. As they called it, the "deep modernization" of the Mi-24.
    And as my colleagues who happened to pilot this miracle say, these designers need to do the same with their hands that they did with the wing.
    Not only did such an important characteristic as speed fall, but the balance also deteriorated.
    In short, a paradoxical situation has developed. There are three types of vehicles in the series at once, and as Syria has shown, there is really nothing to fight on. And I had to return to the old Mi-24, may the gods extend its resource to eternity.
    What is the reason? Let's leave aside for now those flies under which the concept of a Western combat helicopter developed. After all, we have our own experience. It shows that despite the existing problems, the Mi-24 has proved its success primarily due to the versatility of weapons options. Six suspension points provide this. (Yes, there are variants of the Ka-52 with six nodes, but there is a big question about external points).
    And even though the external pylons allow you to take only four ATGMs, in most cases this is more than enough.
    The most popular option, as practice has shown, is the second ammunition load. These are four ATGMs and four B-20 units (eighty NARs of the S-8KOM type), plus a cannon (machine gun).
    None of the new types of helicopters will repeat this, stupidly there are not enough hardpoints.
    In addition, the Mi-24 has the ability to increase the flight range without a significant reduction in strike power. All in all, replace two blocks with PTBs (outboard fuel tanks). It won't work on new machines. In the best case, on one side of the block, on the second ATGM.
    As for the cargo compartment. Then it was never used to transport the same landing force.
    Nevertheless, there are more than enough advantages from it. First of all, it increases the autonomy of the helicopter, try to be on duty at the jump site without it, when the weather is not very good.
    In addition, it allows you to take out the wrecked crew, increase firepower with airborne fire, and so on.
    Well, what do we see now? The Phoenix project is no longer new and, in fact, a return to the Mi-24.
    They returned the old wing, retractable landing gear. But there are four suspension units left. Which greatly reduces the combat capabilities of the helicopter.
    1. -1
      April 13 2022 20: 04
      engines need to be blown apart, and this is a complete rework of the car
      1. -1
        April 13 2022 21: 09
        What for? Enough armored partitions.
    2. 0
      April 13 2022 23: 33
      I'm not a military man, but there is a strong feeling that the K-50 was simply removed from the road
      1. 0
        April 14 2022 09: 18
        The AA leadership was not mentally prepared to accept a single-seat car.
    3. 0
      25 June 2022 23: 12
      I add furiously. You can see the person in the subject.
  18. +3
    April 13 2022 12: 35
    Can someone explain to me what this article is about and why it was needed? Somewhere, something and how it will be, but I would advise like this.
  19. 0
    April 13 2022 16: 47
    everything is correct - any military action gives impetus to modernization and the invention of a new one. Unfortunately, so far wars and preparations for them are the main engine of progress in various fields.
  20. -2
    April 13 2022 23: 17
    my deep couch opinion.
    Mi 24\35 is an ideal technique for evacuating downed pilots, aircraft controllers, DRGs, etc.
    Also, it is better to cast the DRG, RG on this technique. Because what if the enemy is below, and you are on plywood Mi 8 ??
    Well, for DShB it will work well.
    It is normal to constantly modernize military equipment and it is good that this is being done.
  21. 0
    April 16 2022 17: 33
    Russian soldiers are preparing to blow up a downed Ka-52 helicopter that has made an emergency landing.

    The photo is old, taken in the Kiev region when there were battles.
  22. 0
    April 18 2022 00: 18
    According to the results of the war in Ukraine, several helicopter airborne assault brigades / regiments must necessarily appear as part of the Airborne Forces, which will have to adopt new airborne assault helicopters.
    Helicopter landings and the successful capture of the Gostomel airfield are vivid confirmation of this.
  23. 0
    25 June 2022 23: 10
    Another blah blah blah about nothing with the collection of well-known facts.
    The video is also old March-April.
    Pitch-up launches are depressing. So IEDs have air defense.
    In short, they lie only at weddings and funerals.
  24. -2
    5 July 2022 00: 16
    The National Helicopter Center continues to work out ways to improve existing combat helicopters

    there is no one to come up with something new ...
    no brains, no money...
    since the 90s, almost all technological schools in the country have been destroyed ...
    and those who have brains and can do something - either they don’t let them break through, like Lobaev, or they get bored and leave for the west - pin-do-sy beckon - well and immediately work and money for development ...
    therefore, they patch up the old and wretched in modern times ...
    The Mi-24 has long worked out its concept of a "flying tank" and you can't make a new one out of it - there is no need for this kind of equipment on a modern battlefield ...
    you read about the battle tactics of the Apache longbow and its weapons - you will understand why it is not "armored" ...

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