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Expert: "If the Germans can be united in one state, then why can not this be done by the Russians?"

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Expert: "If the Germans can be united in one state, then why can not this be done by the Russians?""The initiative to collect signatures for the unification of Ukraine, Russia and Belarus, which started in the Moscow church of St. Nicholas on the Three Mountains, suggests that our people are still strong historical continuity of generations, the feeling that Great Russians, Little Russians (Ukrainians) and Belarusians are one nation, "a Ukrainian political analyst, columnist for the newspaper Rush Hour, a member of the expert team of the foreign affairs publication International Life, told a REGNUM correspondent on September 27 Center for Conservative Studies, Lomonosov Moscow State University Vladislav Gulevich.

Recall, on 21 of September, the collection of signatures for holding a referendum on the unification of Russia, Belarus and Ukraine was launched in Moscow. Archpriest Vsevolod Chaplin, the head of the Synodal Department for the Relations of the Church and the Russian Orthodox Church of the Russian Orthodox Church, Archpriest Vsevolod Chaplin, is open for signing a charter on the reunion of Russians, Belarusians, and Ukrainians in the Church of St. Nicholas on Three Mountains. The charter can be signed by anyone. "We, the heirs of a thousand years of history and a great civilization, the experience of building, good neighborliness, military valor and cooperation of our ancestors, united by a common culture and joint activities to equip and protect our land, when reunited, we will take all the best from the practical experience of our people," says in the document.

According to Gulevich, the criticism of collecting signatures for holding a referendum on the unification of Russia, Belarus and Ukraine has already been voiced, often unfounded: “The spiteful comments of individuals who defy this initiative show that certain circles do not like it. They are touched by their arguments: the church should be separated from the state, the collection of signatures is absurd. Commentators, thus, demonstrate their intellectual dependence on common secular dogmas and primitive cliches. "

"Who separated the church from the state, who deprived the state idea of ​​the sacral dimension, giving it a petty-utilitarian and vulgarly secular character? Western positivism and its political brainchild - liberalism. Many" experts "do not even have enough breadth to see their own intellectual slavery and the uncritical perception of the propaganda clichés that are getting cheaper. After the collapse of the USSR, many people are so used to bowing to Western political thought that they continue to do so. Their entire political discourse is colored in the colors of the American flag, "continued Gulevich." And many critics of the idea of ​​the unity of the three fraternal East Slavic republics sing according to the notes prepared in advance, because they do not know the other notes, but they cannot write their own. A firm conviction is created that these so-called "critics" they work for Western agitprop. They bring up opponents of consolidation and unity in the camp of their own likely adversary — the highest ideological aerobatics, and, we recognize, the West succeeds in this. When many experts open their mouths, it seems as if Voice of America or Radio Liberty spoke. Where is the independence of thinking? Where are their own geopolitical meanings? They are not. Instead of primitive epigonism, repetition of “pseudo-truths” imposed in the teeth, a la Zbigniew Brzezinski. "

Gulevich believes that the criticism addressed to the initiative to collect signatures for holding a referendum is relevant only in the context of ways to implement it, but not in essence the idea itself, since "the idea of ​​holding a referendum on the unification of Russia, Belarus and Ukraine is geopolitically and economically justified." The Ukrainian political analyst said: “If the Germans can be united in a single state, why can't the Russians do this? And the Russians, I remind you, are Great Russians, Little Russians, and Belarusians. Refusing the politonym“ Russian ”does not work for us. It creates temptation for many, greedy for third-party suggestions, change their nationality to a new one, like a dirty shirt. "

"This is especially felt in Ukraine, where they are trying to keep quiet about the Western Russian heritage. After all, the most Russophobic region of the country - the Western Ukrainian regions - was the scene of a tough confrontation between the Western Russian idea and the Austro-Hungarian Empire, which in its struggle with the Russian self-consciousness of local residents relied on Ukrainophiles, “Regularly running with denunciations to Austrian gendarmes,” noted Gulevich. “But Ukrainian schoolchildren and students do not know about this history of the Ukrainian movement. Not supposed to, despite the freedom of speech and other beauty stems phrases - otherwise instead of critics and supporters scoff appear resistant all-Russian unity. "

As reported by REGNUM, a number of Belarusian and Ukrainian public figures and experts positively responded to the initiative to collect signatures for holding a referendum on the unification of Russia, Belarus and Ukraine. Commenting on the initiative, September 10, Ukrainian politician Spiridon Kilinkarov said: "But I know that sooner or later we will all be together. And I am sure that Ukraine has no future with the European Union. The future of Ukraine can only be in a single economic space, Eurasian the union, the Customs Union of Russia, Belarus and Kazakhstan. Our interests are there. We absolutely need each other equally. The sovereignty of Russia and Ukraine is the same as the sovereignty of the kidney and liver in one organism. "

Commenting on the initiative, 27 of September, Ph.D. in History, Chairman of the Minsk Society of Russian Culture "Rus", Valentina Teplova, said: "The historical past proves that the union of Russia, Belarus and Ukraine provides economic, political and cultural prosperity of our peoples."
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  1. andrei332809
    andrei332809 2 October 2012 07: 03
    +26
    maybe the first bell? look, from the initiative and there will be sense. and do not care about the critics, let them go outside and criticize, I think, they’ll quickly fill their faces
    1. tronin.maxim
      tronin.maxim 2 October 2012 08: 10
      +17
      Now the hardest part is starting. The West will interfere by any means.
      1. 1976AG
        1976AG 2 October 2012 09: 28
        +10
        And not only the West will interfere, but also the leadership of Ukraine, and maybe even Belarus, because for them it is a loss of sovereignty, which means power, and few people are able to go for it. This reason was far from the last when the USSR collapsed. But this must be done so that people don’t forget that we have the same roots and we didn’t split up of our own free will, but this is very important. The first step is for our peoples to feel unity, and there we can move on.
        1. Kars
          Kars 2 October 2012 10: 36
          +7
          Quote: 1976AG
          will interfere, but the leadership of Ukraine


          I personally will be against unification.
          Unification is acceptable to me only after the nationalization of the means of production and banks in all countries, as well as the lustration of all those in power over the past 20 years.
          Transfer of the capital to an approximate geographic center of unification.
          but who agrees to this.
          1. Ross
            Ross 2 October 2012 10: 48
            +5
            Kars,
            In fact, everything is said correctly and in Russia the majority of the people favor such an approach. But you must admit that fighting oligarchs alone is harder to fight than the whole world.
            1. gispanec
              gispanec 2 October 2012 12: 33
              +2
              Quote: Ross
              with your oligarchs

              but with ours ???
          2. 1976AG
            1976AG 2 October 2012 11: 00
            +5
            It is your right and no one is going to challenge it. On the first two points - I agree. But this is a completely different story. The question is, do we want to live together in one state, do we consider ourselves to be one people? But the third point why? With effective management, this does not matter, but with inefficient management, too. In addition, maybe I'm wrong, but your statement looks like a bargain - if you fulfill my conditions, then I agree.
            1. Kars
              Kars 2 October 2012 12: 23
              +1
              Quote: 1976AG
              that alone with your oligarchs to fight

              Have you already won yours?
              Quote: 1976AG
              Do we consider ourselves one nation?

              No, and we will never consider --- but brotherly, why not related. And the unification of European countries into the European Union --- there Germans vryatli consider themselves one nation. USSR - was UNION Republic, the Russian Empire was an empire
              Quote: 1976AG
              But the third point why?

              Then in Minsk?
              Quote: 1976AG
              like bargaining - if you fulfill my conditions, then I agree
              And why how? It is he who is the bargaining
              1. 1976AG
                1976AG 2 October 2012 13: 15
                +3
                Firstly, the first quote is not mine - read carefully.
                Secondly, you need to trade in the market. Not everything has to be sold.
                Thirdly, if for all this will be a bargain, then the truth should not be combined.
                1. Kars
                  Kars 2 October 2012 13: 36
                  -6
                  Quote: 1976AG
                  First, the first quote is not mine - read carefully

                  Sometimes it happens.
                  Quote: 1976AG
                  Secondly, you need to trade in the market. Not everything has to be sold.

                  and then what is bargaining for the Customs Union?
                  Quote: 1976AG
                  Thirdly, if for all this will be a bargain, then the truth should not be combined

                  Sorry, another option is war. Unification should be mutually beneficial, otherwise why should it. And what about
                  Quote: 1976AG
                  Do we consider ourselves one nation?

                  How can I consider myself a single people with the Chechens? Buryats? And so on - you see, even this national idea doesn’t bear a union. There is an economic idea - but you don’t want a bargain, there is a security idea too - but it also carries a bargain .
                  1. 1976AG
                    1976AG 2 October 2012 14: 04
                    +3
                    The Customs Union is an economic entity created to facilitate trade within our countries. In particular, there are no customs duties that complicate trade and lead to higher prices for goods, which is beneficial to all participants.
                    Another option is war. Is this you probably about violent association? Well this is completely absurd. There was no talk of this at all.
                    About the Chechens and Buryats. And what, Russian is not enough for you? If there weren’t Chechens and Buryats, or someone else, then it’s possible?
                    In general, I talked about the common roots and family ties with which we have intertwined over these centuries. Now, of course, everyone is already used to it, but remember how wild it seemed at that time that we were now in different states. Or was it different for you?
                    1. Kars
                      Kars 2 October 2012 16: 58
                      +1
                      Quote: 1976AG
                      lead to higher cost of goods, which is beneficial to all participants

                      and Ukraine at the same time is trying to drag blackmail and trade wars into such a fairy tale - from the cheese to the utilization fee.
                      Quote: 1976AG
                      Well this is completely absurd

                      The USSR was so formed and the Russian Empire.
                      Quote: 1976AG
                      If there weren’t Chechens and Buryats, or someone else, then it’s possible?

                      But do they have a vet?
                      Quote: 1976AG
                      but remember how it seemed wild at that time that we are now in different states. Or was it different for you?

                      Nationalities were always --- even my father talked about the Soviet army and there were nationalities and intolerance, and even anecdotes about the Chukchi))))
                      Quote: 1976AG
                      about common roots and kinship

                      Well, such ties and borders are not particularly hindered, these are personal relations, and here we are talking about state unification.
                      1. 1976AG
                        1976AG 2 October 2012 18: 52
                        +2
                        Correctly the quote looks like this: "there are no customs duties, which ....... lead to an increase in the price of the goods." Those. the absence of duties is beneficial.
                        You, apparently, do not know, but Kazakhstan, Belarus do not consider the benefits of the customs union a fairy tale. Or are there near-minded people who do not understand the economy and do not understand where there is a benefit, and where it does not?
                        But blackmail and trade wars are just fairy tales - no comment.
                        By the way, the recycling fee applies not only to Ukraine.
                        Regarding the formation of the USSR and Russia, I advise you to study history, starting with ancient Russia.
                        The fact that there were no nationalities, I also did not say. I wouldn’t give out such nonsense even when drunk. I do not know where your grandfather fought, but my father, who also fought, said that the manifestations of nat. they did not have any intolerance. But he told how the Nazis brainwashed their population. When ours were in Germany go into the same house, the German family immediately raise their hands up. Then they were convinced that they weren’t going to do anything bad for us, and the elderly German approached his father and began to feel his head. Somehow they figured it out - it turns out they were told that the Russians have horns on their heads, like devils. Here's how people can get their heads confused. In your schools, by the way, too, everything goes to this.
              2. Nachkar237
                Nachkar237 3 October 2012 02: 13
                +5
                Quote: Kars
                No, and we will never consider --- but brotherly, why not related. And the unification of European countries into the European Union --- there Germans vryatli consider themselves one nation. USSR - was UNION Republic, the Russian Empire was an empire

                KARS, you do not seem to know the story, or deliberately and deliberately distort it ... namely:
                The Russian empire was unique in its way, I already wrote about it many times, we did not conquer or conquer peoples, but took them under our care. The very concept of "Ukraine" from the word "OGRAINA" is a part of the Russian people living on the outskirts of the country. WE are - YOU can put the sign "=" we all came from the same root and we had the same path. The division into Russians - Ukrainians - Belarusians as such did not exist! RUSSIANS were divided into - Velikorosov, Malorosov and Belorosov, which only meant a geographical position! YOU ARE RUSSIANS, WE ARE RUSSIANS, BELARUSIANS ARE RUSSIAN ALSO! The Russian empire was a unitary state, the concept of the Ukrainian republic, the Belarusian republic did not exist, and it is not necessary to say that after the collapse of the empire you gained freedom, after the collapse “our common house was artificially divided into rooms like in a communal apartment building and you live like we do in a small family, - Roughly speaking! Administrative division for your information was as shown in the picture - try to find the Ukrainian Belarusian, or Russian republic? You will not find it! There were provinces with equal rights and one priest king! Everything - there was no other!
                And after the civil war, which, incidentally, was planned from the outside to destroy us, Lenin (a German agent) divided us by giving "the right to self-determination" - an unnatural right !!!
              3. Mihail1986
                Mihail1986 5 October 2012 23: 16
                0
                s and in Africa, lick ass Amer!
          3. gispanec
            gispanec 2 October 2012 12: 32
            +1
            It is logical ..... +
          4. wax
            wax 2 October 2012 13: 34
            +4
            I think it’s pointless and even harmful to talk about creating a unitary state. Even as part of the USSR, Ukraine and Belarus had their capitals and became members of the UN. In the EU, its members also have not lost statehood. It can only be a clear fixation of belonging to one socio-cultural formation. This can be done within, for example, confederation. It is funny if Ukraine, with its mother of Russian cities Kiev, will build an identity in Romania or Albania, for example. Or the Anglo-Saxons. With his bacon, milk and black soil, garnny divins and guys, with tunes, well, etc.
            1. Nachkar237
              Nachkar237 6 October 2012 22: 38
              +1
              Forgive me generously, but your words "Even as part of the USSR, Ukraine and Belarus had their capitals and became members of the UN ...." are not a confirmation of their originality, independence and generally any serious differences from the Russians, since, I repeat, in the Russian Empire (Russia was in those years just a unitary state) there were no divisions into republics with one or another sovereignty, and the people were considered one and as such, by the way, they felt themselves !!! And only after Lenin adopted the decree on the self-determination of "free peoples" - was it dismemberment, cruel and impudent, and only for this reason we are not united !!! Lenin was a German agent, like those who are now in a fever of hot heads of young people, American agents like Nemtsov, Navalny, Kasparov, Udaltsov, Sobchak and others, the parallels are obvious !!! Everyone feeds from the west, and follows the guidelines from the west, trying to destroy Russia !!! Lenin succeeded once! AND GOD SAVE US ALL THAT IT COULD HAPPEN !!!
          5. biglow
            biglow 2 October 2012 14: 20
            +2
            Kars,
            where to transfer the capital and why?
            1. Kukolev
              Kukolev 2 October 2012 18: 33
              0
              And you can do as in the book Polyakov wassat
          6. Brother Sarych
            Brother Sarych 2 October 2012 14: 21
            0
            That's right - otherwise you can not fence the garden ...
          7. Van
            Van 2 October 2012 21: 50
            +1
            Quote: Kars
            but who agrees to this.


            It’s okay when a roasted rooster pecks in the ass, then we will all come together and one will run in front of the other, but for now, the story is being written ...

            I am personally for the association and,
          8. ural70
            ural70 7 October 2012 12: 14
            0
            From a geographical point of view, will the capital be east of Yekaterinburg? smile
        2. selbrat
          selbrat 2 October 2012 11: 01
          +4
          Quote: 1976AG
          And not only the West will interfere, but the leadership of Ukraine, and maybe even Belarus

          I think our leadership will also interfere, because a lot of enemies have dug in it. Just look at how the alliance with Belarus is stagnating. And something needs to be done about this.
          1. 1976AG
            1976AG 2 October 2012 11: 17
            +2
            Maybe. Bad business is not tricky. Good is harder.
      2. OSTAP BENDER
        OSTAP BENDER 2 October 2012 13: 10
        +1
        tronin.maxim! Yes, and the West still has a lot of these funds! Those who want to get them are the whole Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine led by President Yanukovych !!!
      3. Brother Sarych
        Brother Sarych 2 October 2012 14: 20
        +2
        Nobody will interfere - nobody will pay attention to this initiative of no-one who is marginalized ...
        1. 1976AG
          1976AG 2 October 2012 15: 09
          +1
          Who would doubt that. If you did not pay attention to the results of the referendum, when the vast majority voted to preserve the USSR, now it is even more so. It’s not at all customary for us to listen to people. This is not a royal affair.
      4. AIvanA
        AIvanA 3 October 2012 05: 36
        0
        Quite right, the unification of the Slavic peoples, the West simply will not allow, since the beginning of the last century, Britain has made titanic efforts to divide the Slavs into nationalities, and here sedition is unification, and our politicians are looking into the mouth of the "great democratic" West.
    2. mongoose
      mongoose 2 October 2012 09: 06
      +11
      the road will be overpowered, the first step has been taken, only the next steps depend on us
    3. INTER
      INTER 2 October 2012 09: 36
      +5
      We should not, in their opinion, because it is dangerous for them. And we need, because by this we will be strong. good
      1. ShturmKGB
        ShturmKGB 2 October 2012 09: 45
        +6
        There is simply NO other way except to unite, one by one the "partners" will stifle everyone, and many in the power structures of the fraternal republics began to understand this!
    4. starshina78
      starshina78 2 October 2012 19: 48
      +1
      It's impossible . The reason is very simple and trivial - the top management of these states will not allow this. This referendum is essentially a non-binding action. In the states of Ukraine, Belarus and Russia there is a covert war, different clans cannot share power, and what can happen if only talking about holding a referendum in these countries is scary to think. How much dirt will pour, chernukha is horror, and as a result, instead of unification, a civil war may occur. Who wants to voluntarily move away from the trough in Ukraine and Belarus, and in Russia, the government even more will not want to share its powers with anyone. This power, the Russian one, is squabbling without unification - oilmen are squabbling with modernizers, some do not want modernization and want to sit on the "oil needle", while the latter go to privatize everything, thinking that this will lead to the modernization of the privatized industries. Maybe in a hundred years from now, our peoples will unite, or maybe, on the contrary, they will fight. Only now there will be no unification.
  2. vladimir70
    vladimir70 2 October 2012 07: 12
    +15
    All SLAVES need to unite fellow
    1. Fox
      Fox 2 October 2012 07: 42
      -9
      need. but not under the ROC.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 2 October 2012 07: 52
        +17
        Quote: Fox

        need. but not under the ROC.

        It began, having heard about the church right away, it was necessary not under the Russian Orthodox Church. And under whom under the politicians who ruined the country for which their interests, you sweat to unite.
      2. DYMITRY
        DYMITRY 2 October 2012 08: 37
        +7
        Quote: Fox

        need. but not under the ROC.

        According to the law on holding a referendum, a referendum may initiate a referendum any public association of citizens Having collected the necessary number of signatures in support of the referendum.
        In this matter, the ROC acts precisely as a public association of citizens, and is completely in the legal, constitutional field. And if you need any initiative coming from the Russian Orthodox Church as a sickle in one place, these are your personal problems !!!!
        1. Uncle
          Uncle 2 October 2012 11: 03
          +3
          Quote: DYMITRY
          And if you need any initiative coming from the Russian Orthodox Church as a sickle in one place, these are your personal problems !!!!

          Speak correctly. The Russian Orthodox Church sometimes sprinkles mud with people who do not know absolutely nothing about the hierarchs of the Church; they simply bite behind them like little dogs. To strengthen the faith of those who do not consider the Russian Orthodox Church a gang of crooks and thieves, I will give you a case. Probably everyone knows the Metropolitan of Krutitsky and Kolomensky Juvenal. He was promised the place of the Patriarch when Alexy 2 died. In a conversation with my comrade, I found out that his wife is Juvenal’s goddaughter and consults with him on all matters. I said that it was probably difficult to go to his monastery to consult on trifles. Security, a bunch of servants and everything that seemed to me to accompany his rank. My friend laughed at me and says that Juvenal lives on the same floor with him. Of course, he has a driver, but he himself takes out the garbage in training with bubbles on his knees. A church official of this rank takes out the garbage himself! Draw conclusions, gentlemen.
      3. mongoose
        mongoose 2 October 2012 09: 06
        +1
        Yeah, apparently it is necessary over the Jew’s corpse
    2. Zmitcer
      Zmitcer 2 October 2012 12: 04
      -10
      Quote: vladimir70

      All SLAVES need to unite

      again from empty to empty. science fiction vm! you tell me, give an example, when Belarus voluntarily, I emphasize voluntarily became part of Russia? it was so? NOT! There was an occupation! Muscovites and I have never lived peacefully. NEVER! Even when we were driven into a common collective farm concentration camp, even then there was a destruction of both our culture and our people! so hypocritical science fiction, keep this utopia with you, about the new commune, it was already ... hopіts! Pabachym, tsi budze hots adzin kamentyry with reasonable Tlumachen. Yes pubabennya. hi
      1. Фокус
        Фокус 2 October 2012 12: 28
        +3
        Quote: Zmitcer
        I and I have never lived peacefully.
        You are a great dreamer yourself, did you come up with it yourself or did the same dreamers prompt you?
      2. Che
        Che 2 October 2012 15: 36
        +2
        Zmitcer,
        What kind of entry into Russia are you talking about. This is Russia. History would be nice to know a little. So is Ukraine. We are one people and we don’t need trolling.
      3. Klisha
        Klisha 2 October 2012 16: 41
        +1
        Tell me, give an example when Belarus was occupied? I emphasize captured and became part of Russia? it was so?
  3. viktorrymar
    viktorrymar 2 October 2012 07: 17
    +1
    Here people need to wake up rather than build rockets at an accelerated pace - although one does not interfere with the other.
    1. andrei332809
      andrei332809 2 October 2012 07: 22
      +9
      Quote: viktorrymar
      Here people need to wake up rather than build rockets

      But isn’t friendship strengthened during joint construction? Remember about the Cheburashka, how they built a house for friends. Classic. And to build houses or rockets, there is no difference. as Matroskin-joint work said, he unites
  4. bask
    bask 2 October 2012 07: 21
    +5
    The people of our countries, I think for 100%. But about the politicians I doubt it. To hold a referendum in Russia, Belarus and Ukraine. YOU ARE FOR THE UNION OF STATES.
    1. Grandfather Nikola
      Grandfather Nikola 3 October 2012 14: 42
      0
      FOR THE UNION OF PEOPLE AND THE FORMATION OF THE STATE OF RUSSIA
  5. Boris Rubtsov
    Boris Rubtsov 2 October 2012 07: 27
    +10
    I remember that some of the "God's chosen" instantly fell into hysterics just after hearing the term SLAVERY!
    1. Fox
      Fox 2 October 2012 07: 44
      -7
      so the gundyaev is also not enthusiastic about the Slavs ... look at his comments ...
      1. mongoose
        mongoose 2 October 2012 09: 14
        +2
        young man do not carry nonsense!
  6. sergant89
    sergant89 2 October 2012 07: 29
    +1
    The peoples understood everything a long time ago and want to unite, so who will give them, the top of the billionaires of the "elite" of these countries do not need this, all at once they will talk about the loss of freedom, their historical path, etc., etc., but the most important thing is that you will have to obey the same Moscow (which means there will be fewer denyuzhkas, and maybe they will completely end). yes
  7. Goga
    Goga 2 October 2012 07: 30
    +6
    Well, as I said here earlier, the "screeching" began - it's like a "friend or foe" test - whoever is against is from "outsiders", it becomes immediately clear who is breathing what. And it would be good if our Church managed to reach out to politicians, and the people, despite all the many years of "stupidity" only "FOR", with rare exceptions already completely zombified.
    And it's not only about the "Slavs", even simply, economically, the larger the internal market, the more sustainable development, and only our enemies can object to the statement that we are one people.
    1. Igarr
      Igarr 2 October 2012 07: 49
      +4
      Hi Igor.
      But it’s interesting - are you allowed to send a facsimile of a signature?
      I understood that a charter is kept in the church (why, by the way, did they use the English word? Russian - a letter - would also be good).
      This charter is being signed.
      And if you want to sign, but there is no way to come?
      ..
      It is not thought, tea?
      How would you think of something?
      1. DYMITRY
        DYMITRY 2 October 2012 08: 42
        +2
        Quote: Igarr
        And if you want to sign, but there is no way to come?

        Good afternoon, Igor.
        If this is really a collection of signatures on a referendum, then according to the law, collection of signatures should be carried out in at least 70% of the subjects of the federation. So, most likely, in some of the churches of your city, the collection of signatures in support is also taking place.
  8. donchepano
    donchepano 2 October 2012 07: 42
    +2
    Our "friends" will be categorically against Pan-Slavism. on the contrary, Russia will be torn apart
  9. Ustas
    Ustas 2 October 2012 07: 46
    +4
    Ukrainian politician Spiridon Kilinkarov said:
    "... The sovereignty of Russia and Ukraine is the same as the sovereignty of the kidney and liver in one organism."

    Well said!
    1. 1976AG
      1976AG 2 October 2012 09: 34
      +1
      But after all, our sorcerers Aesculapian politicians have disconnected!
  10. omsbon
    omsbon 2 October 2012 07: 51
    +6
    Friends, good morning everyone!
    The referendum should be preceded by a powerful agitation and propaganda! / b]
    You can vote for a union only once and lose it DO NOT!
    1. Captain Vrungel
      Captain Vrungel 2 October 2012 08: 41
      +9
      The opinion of the people does not coincide with the wishes of the authorities by 90 percent. The people are deprived of the opportunity to express and influence the changing situation in the country. No leverage. Everything is in power. Democracy is only on paper, in the Constitution, and we get it as much as it benefits the government. If in the interests of the authorities to hold a referendum, he will. If not, do not dream. There is nobody, nothing and nothing.
      The people for unification. And not so much for political, economic reasons and security. Our blood is so mixed. Relatives are so scattered across the territory of the post-Soviet space and fenced by border, customs (God forbid introduce a visa regime. It's scary to think).
      But if you look at it from the side of the authorities. Russia is profitable. Ukraine is not. Power is usurped by family clans and is actually inherited. In Ukraine, there are already feudal lords and hereditary boyars. The feudalization of the country is underway. And they suddenly march into the union, democracy. From unlimited power. from gold feeders and toilets. From towers and castles. From the lured guardsmen. Who will go for it. Watch the scenario of "shitty elections" in Ukraine. Shitty game of "democracy". The same long-term faces "in power" will be "elected" again in a "crappy" way. And does anyone think that this gang is ready to unite? DO WE NEED IT?
  11. Sars
    Sars 2 October 2012 07: 57
    +1
    And the north of Kazakhstan should be combined with Russia, and in a referendum (across Kazakhstan) ask all former citizens.
    1. Focuser
      Focuser 2 October 2012 08: 14
      +1
      Quote: SarS
      And the north of Kazakhstan must be combined with Russia

      Enough enemies
      1. mongoose
        mongoose 2 October 2012 12: 14
        -2
        enemies? we have them, and Russia must regain all its lands! and it will be so!
        1. Focuser
          Focuser 2 October 2012 12: 31
          +1
          Well, it's good that those in Russia who have a real opportunity to make such decisions are much smarter than you. And about "it will be so" - you are wrong, for sure.
        2. Brother Sarych
          Brother Sarych 2 October 2012 14: 28
          +1
          Here, one "unifier" is already going to fight. because no other way has yet been invented ...
          1. 1976AG
            1976AG 2 October 2012 14: 45
            0
            You must have messed something up. Regarding the "war" this is the representative of Ukraine. He has either trade or war.
  12. erased
    erased 2 October 2012 08: 11
    0
    A single state is a good idea. But turning it into a church-Orthodox one is more than strange. Muslims, Buddhists, Catholics and atheists will be expelled or simply killed?
    1. DYMITRY
      DYMITRY 2 October 2012 08: 44
      +1
      And where did you see at least one call for the creation of a church-Orthodox state ??? It is about the unification of the three Russian states.
      1. Brother Sarych
        Brother Sarych 2 October 2012 14: 29
        -3
        We would first find out if Belarusians want to be written down by Russians, similarly Ukrainians ...
        1. BSSR
          BSSR 3 October 2012 04: 26
          -1
          Quote: Brother Sarych
          to be recorded by Russians

          It so happened that Belarusians are Russian.
          Belarus is like Russia, but white (pure).
          We have an overwhelmingly dominant population of Slavic appearance, while others are occasionally seen near hotels.

          In Russia, a cross between Russians, Dagis, Chechens and all sorts of nationalities.

          Quote: Brother Sarich
          do Belarusians want

          The Russians are ruining us on all counts, as a proof, most Belarusians are here with a negative rate, so it’s better not to get involved in this adventure yet
    2. Uncle
      Uncle 2 October 2012 11: 06
      0
      They will not interrupt, in the human body everything rests on the skeleton, on the backbone. So the Russian people, the Orthodox people are the backbone on which other peoples and religions exist in a successful manner.
    3. Leisure
      Leisure 2 October 2012 11: 19
      +1
      And what, in Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, have already killed all atheists, Catholics, Buddhists and "God's chosen"?
  13. Bobxnumx
    Bobxnumx 2 October 2012 08: 11
    -3
    Correctly we need to unite with the Chinese, Russia forward! drinks
  14. Grenz
    Grenz 2 October 2012 08: 12
    -2
    Not so simple.
    Attach another hot spot? Western Ukraine! Wahhabis of the North Caucasus and Bandera followers in Ukraine (fought both in Chechnya and Georgia) within the same territory.
    Yes, the Americans did not dream about it in their sweetest dream. We cannot close the Caucasus mountains from our neighbors who are angry with Russia, and we also get the Carpathians with the same neighbors and a difficult section of the border. All the evil spirits of the Libyan and Syrian "democratic army" through these channels to us in Russia.
    And we can imagine "Bulava" (well, further options ....) Since the soldier will again crawl through the Bandera caches to pick out "friends of Russia". They are safe and sound now. They are waiting in the wings.
    I think so. When Ukraine will feel really bad (the struggle in it between the western and eastern parts is the most serious), then it will be up to the question of its eastern part.
    And finally, the question - what prevents us from uniting with Belarus? As a first step. Nothing! Belarusians are in favor, we are the same. So what's the deal?
    So the issue of holding a referendum is very controversial.
    The solution to the problem lies in the political will of the supreme authorities of these countries. And those who give advice to these authorities.
    1. dark_65
      dark_65 2 October 2012 09: 30
      0
      what will Yanek have? a desire to stay in power, nothing more. Putin is no better, a bunch of "friends" and he is alone.
      And peoples objectively want together.
    2. baskoy
      baskoy 2 October 2012 11: 13
      +5
      There was already a referendum on the preservation of the USSR and the people voted unequivocally, but we have what we have ... For the "Russians" the question in the title simply does not exist. And to ask such a question to the West and its "diapers" and "pads" that have bred in the post-Soviet space is pointless. Everything has its time. Hopefully, "time to collect stones" is rapidly approaching.
    3. mongoose
      mongoose 2 October 2012 12: 32
      +3
      and Galicia at will! to the pampas!
    4. Grenz
      Grenz 17 October 2012 22: 26
      0
      He returned to his text.
      They infuriated me.
      And read the article "70 years of OUN-UPA. National holiday or shame!" And especially the comments !!!
      And think dear "minuses" - what will we get together with Western Ukraine? Do we have little of our own problems?
      B ... wishing to reason before e ....!
      However, when it’s necessary to the front ... or in the mountains to dig up the caches, well, bl ... not a single one.
      Sufferers of great power. Brought out, I'm sorry!
  15. bairat
    bairat 2 October 2012 08: 14
    0
    Russian experts, as usual, "forget" that they live in multinational countries. And I have a question: since the Russians of the three countries unite, what are the Tatars and other indigenous nations doing at this time?
    1. Focuser
      Focuser 2 October 2012 08: 31
      0
      Quote: bairat
      And I have a question: since the Russians of the three countries are uniting, what are the Tatars and other indigenous nations doing at this time?

      They do the same) Without leaving Russia they unite with other neighboring fraternal peoples into one mega-country. Just kidding)))
    2. bistrov.
      bistrov. 2 October 2012 08: 38
      0
      What other indigenous nations? The indigenous nation alone is Russian people! And who is not with us is against us.
      1. bairat
        bairat 2 October 2012 08: 47
        +1
        Quote: bistrov.
        And who is not with us is against us.

        Speak for yourself. I hope there are not many such "eccentrics" with the letter M.
        1. mongoose
          mongoose 2 October 2012 09: 33
          +2
          Well, you’re definitely against it and who’s an eccentric letter U?
        2. Zmitcer
          Zmitcer 2 October 2012 12: 13
          -2
          Quote: bairat
          I hope there are not many such "eccentrics" with the letter M.
          As you can see, dear, any opinion that is different from them is considered wrong, leads to incitement of ethnic hatred and so on ... in a word, m ... wink
      2. lewerlin53rus
        lewerlin53rus 2 October 2012 08: 54
        +3
        And if you remember that the history of Russia goes back several centuries within its main borders. And all this time, many peoples of various confessions lived on its territory, and there were no ethnic or interethnic wars. Local conflicts may have happened, but these were, as a rule, particulars. And now, in order to unite, first of all, the political will of the leadership is needed. But, unfortunately, "small, but very proud birds" fly too high to understand what is happening below.
        1. bairat
          bairat 2 October 2012 08: 59
          0
          "Big bird", you are not asked for something impossible and beyond. Just respect for the peoples living with you.
          1. mongoose
            mongoose 2 October 2012 11: 33
            +2
            only respect should be mutual, right? but the nationalities have not enough respect for the Russian people,
          2. lewerlin53rus
            lewerlin53rus 2 October 2012 12: 22
            +3
            By "small but very proud birds" I meant the leadership of the countries of the former union, which make their own feeders out of their republics and are afraid of unification and centralization of power like fire. then they will not be able to plunder their peoples with such impunity.
            and if the respected Bayrat considers himself a small and proud bird, and constantly offended by the "big birds", then this is a bigger problem than his psychiatrist.
            Why do we constantly push each other with petty insults and forget about the great things we did all the time, not dividing each other on national grounds ?.
            Remember how they defeated the Nazis, rebuilt the country, mastered space, helped each other in disasters. Do we really have nothing to remember in order to build normal relations on this?
            1. bairat
              bairat 2 October 2012 14: 00
              0
              Quote: lewerlin53rus
              Why do we constantly push each other with petty insults and forget about the great things we did all the time, not dividing each other on national grounds ?.

              So read the title of the article and tell yourself who is divided by ethnicity.
      3. dark_65
        dark_65 2 October 2012 09: 32
        +5
        the indigenous nation is everything. who lives here .... and many of our national problems are our mistakes, Russian.
        1. mongoose
          mongoose 2 October 2012 11: 34
          0
          rather Gus rulers with their national trousers
        2. Che
          Che 2 October 2012 15: 50
          0
          dark_65,
          Russia is a multinational state so it was always hoping to remain. All peoples lived in the world until the crap for separation on the basis of nationality and religion went from without. Unite everything to repulse Western hidden aggression.
    3. andrei332809
      andrei332809 2 October 2012 08: 43
      +4
      Quote: bairat
      And I have a question: since the Russians of the three countries are uniting, what are the Tatars and other indigenous nations doing at this time?

      here the Russians do not mean nationality as such, but the common name of all the peoples inhabiting the country
      1. bairat
        bairat 2 October 2012 08: 48
        -1
        The common name of all the peoples of the Russian Federation is the Russians.
        1. mongoose
          mongoose 2 October 2012 09: 34
          +2
          Who are the Russians? I have never seen such in my eyes! are there Russians, are there Mari, Tatars, Ingush? but mythical Russians, except as the Jewish press did not see
        2. Uncle
          Uncle 2 October 2012 11: 43
          +4
          Quote: bairat
          The common name of all the peoples of the Russian Federation is the Russians.

          A word from the Yeltsin era, I do not like him.
    4. DYMITRY
      DYMITRY 2 October 2012 08: 45
      +3
      And how will the Tatars and other indigenous nations feel bad that we will live in a single country?
      1. bairat
        bairat 2 October 2012 08: 50
        -7
        And what will it be worse for you if the Tatars unite for example with Azerbaijan?
        1. DYMITRY
          DYMITRY 2 October 2012 09: 00
          +2
          Quote: bairat
          And what will it be worse for you if the Tatars unite for example with Azerbaijan?

          Calls for separatism are a criminal offense.
          1. bairat
            bairat 2 October 2012 09: 03
            -4
            Your duplicity is there. Double standarts. The Russians can be united and the Tatars immediately sew an article for such assumptions.
            1. DYMITRY
              DYMITRY 2 October 2012 09: 29
              +4
              Quote: bairat
              The Russians can be united and the Tatars immediately sew an article for such assumptions.

              Well, if you do not understand the difference between the unification of three independent states, and the rejection of part of Russia with its subsequent accession to Azerbaijan, then this is probably a question for your teachers, what they taught you there.
              1. bairat
                bairat 2 October 2012 09: 34
                -1
                An excellent student of the school, look at the heading of the article, it is not about states, but about nations.
                1. Che
                  Che 2 October 2012 15: 56
                  +1
                  bairat,
                  Why are you so sausage. I have many friends from the Tatars, I did not even think about the nation. Amer’s all these things. Let's live together as we lived before.
            2. vezunchik
              vezunchik 2 October 2012 09: 57
              +3
              they haven’t put one Tatar yet, but how many Russians are sitting for nationalism ..
        2. mongoose
          mongoose 2 October 2012 09: 15
          +4
          ??? and that the Tatars have their own state? Which can unite with Azerbaijan? laughing
          1. bairat
            bairat 2 October 2012 09: 19
            -4
            Come on, giggle. Few pendals drove you out, yet the Tatars set themselves up against themselves.
            1. snek
              snek 2 October 2012 09: 25
              +1
              As a representative of the “titular nation,” I would like to note that banter and condescending attitude are far from the best way to ensure friendship between peoples. And, by the way, this is one of the reasons why Ukrainians and Belarusians are not eager to unite.
            2. mongoose
              mongoose 2 October 2012 10: 06
              +1
              Jews in 18 year gave a toy to the "nationalists", in 37 they explained that children shouldn't be given such a thing in their hands, in 91 the Jews again gave a toy, they actually took it away again, but whatever the child would not amuse himself with just not to cry
            3. Uncle
              Uncle 2 October 2012 11: 12
              +1
              Tatars to Tatars discord. Kazan Tatars have nothing with the Mongol Tatars, I do not think that they will unite.
            4. mongoose
              mongoose 2 October 2012 12: 16
              -3
              cute! why hysteria then? Has the turn come in response to a pendell?
        3. dark_65
          dark_65 2 October 2012 09: 33
          0
          so where? how? even turn your brains on, then let the Spaniards with Latin America ... to the heap
        4. Nevsky
          Nevsky 2 October 2012 13: 50
          +10
          Dear bairat!
          And why are the Tatars not immediately with Iran? Or immediately with Qatar, and even Indonesia?
          This is not a correct contrast.

          I live in Ukraine, I am Russian. The city in which I live is called Berdyansk. Founded by Alexander I and Count Vorontsov. In the city, 80% of Russians and 95% of the Russian-speaking population, 85% are Orthodox.

          Why do you, by your interpretation of the intentions of the unification of Ukraine, Russia and Belarus, deny me the right to reunite with your historical Motherland within the framework of your home and Russian land?

          By the way, will you win too, do we have Crimean Tatars, or are you closer to the Azeir-Bajans, the Iranians?

          I have an assumption why you react so that only one Southeast Ukraine can give Russia 12 million Russians + 5 million Russian-speaking Ukrainians. Naturally, after such a reunification, Tatarstan will slide into the category of national minorities, and not the people, which since 1991 have been frightening to ruin Russia, spit on the Russian language in the Republic and call us occupiers. 500 years of life together what? But the Salafis cheers ?!
          1. Purgen
            Purgen 2 October 2012 23: 49
            +1
            Nevsky. You cruel. May God sober up. 7 centuries, lived next to the Tatars, Bashkirs, Mordovians and other nationalities. And we will live another 7 centuries.
            Bl..ya. Just think about it. Anglo-Saxons are more or less united. And in the rest of the world. nations set against each other. We all quarreled, that the Orthodox, that the Mohammedans ..... GUYS ENOUGH TO DANCE UNDER A STUPID AMERDUK ....... Fucking .... they are one, but they divide us .. !! Cruelly and stubbornly ... UNDERSTAND.) Drive a stake into the brains of youth, set off. Only for this MAKFOLA ON THE COLOR .... THINK THROUGH.
            Schmitser, Parrot ..... to you and to you like in the dressing room "amers" and their lackeys "pshekam" (serve towels) ... the very place.
        5. Mugs
          Mugs 3 October 2012 17: 21
          +1
          And what did you find common between the Tatars and Azerbaijanis to unite them?
      2. mongoose
        mongoose 2 October 2012 09: 35
        0
        "indigenous" people? and what is it? what do they eat it with?
        zs Is the "indigenous" one who destroyed the "indigenous" people before the root?
    5. mongoose
      mongoose 2 October 2012 09: 32
      +1
      non-Russians forget the fate of the Indians in North America, besides I want to remind them that we have democracy, the power of the majority! and Russians in Russia more than 80%, and Tatars in the Tatars only 35%
      1. bairat
        bairat 2 October 2012 09: 43
        -1
        It’s sad to live in such a country, fascist elements climb out of all the cracks. Why does my grandfathers fight and die? What would some ancestors stick to me the fate of the American Indians? Ugh, shit with us and not a federation.
        1. Focuser
          Focuser 2 October 2012 10: 15
          +1
          Ayrat, I support. mongoose just does not understand what he is carrying, it is not worth talking about the federation as a whole because of such.
          1. mongoose
            mongoose 2 October 2012 11: 10
            -3
            Of course, of course, living in a "national" republic, I don’t understand anything, I’ve studied the nationalities very well, it’s time to equalize their rights with the rights of the Russian people, otherwise they don’t sow and don’t reap, and they live well from the budget of the Russians, even on they are pulling us
            1. Zmitcer
              Zmitcer 2 October 2012 12: 15
              -5
              Quote: mongoose
              Russian budget live well
              Yeah! and oil is pumped from "primordially" Russian lands? but nothing that the Americans landed on the primordially Russian moon? the toad does not choke? laughing
              1. mongoose
                mongoose 2 October 2012 12: 35
                +1
                um, do you think not? or "indigenous" have always lived there? maybe a million years ago? or oil would be extracted by spinning a drill with deer?
              2. Purgen
                Purgen 2 October 2012 12: 43
                +1
                Schmitzer. I understand that you have a huge supply of acrimony and verbiage. But, you have some kind of "wretched" causticity, one-sided. At the level of "ecclesiastical blessed". Sorry, but try to diversify the genre. With your comments you hardly hurt anyone here. Slandering my homeland in different variations. You only characterize yourself. Good luck!
        2. dmb
          dmb 2 October 2012 10: 18
          +4
          Well, what do you draw conclusions about the visitors to the psychiatric hospital’s emergency room? They can’t get along with anyone. This category spits in neighboring pots regardless of nationality. And tell them that the author receives money from REGNUM news agency headed by Akopyan, and the creator of the Kolerov agency worked actively under the guidance of Jewish bankers, they will not believe and will accuse you of fraud. Indeed, for them, von Panwitz is closer and more expensive than Musa Jalil. I dare to assure you that most of us Russians think the opposite.
          1. mongoose
            mongoose 2 October 2012 11: 11
            -2
            What did you mean? and to whom is von Panwitz closer to Jalil? and why should they be on a par?
        3. Purgen
          Purgen 2 October 2012 10: 40
          +4
          Bayrat. Do not pay attention to half-bags, with "national views". Russia is our common home. And Russian, Tatar, Mari, Bashkir and other nationalities of the Russian Federation. They are full citizens of Russia. And the policy towards the national republics, if you notice "super-tolerant". Nobody interferes with the development of culture, language, faith. And other things that determine national identity. Tatars and Bashkirs are the same "indigenous" inhabitants of Russia, as well as Russians and Ukrainians. Belarusians.
          1. mongoose
            mongoose 2 October 2012 11: 13
            +1
            naturally, Russia is our home, but pay attention to the fact that it is MY home, and by the way it’s cool, go to the website of the Tatar republic and pay attention to how many Russian names are on the list of heads of districts, cities and the government, and there are no Russians fewer Tatars
            1. Captain Vrungel
              Captain Vrungel 2 October 2012 12: 18
              +1
              Oh, you don’t have to judge by surname about nationality. We have so much with Russian-Ukrainian-Belarusian surnames in power from the promised land ....
              1. mongoose
                mongoose 2 October 2012 13: 01
                +1
                dear, you did not understand, there are Tatar surnames there, and not more than 5% of Russians
        4. Yarbay
          Yarbay 2 October 2012 10: 46
          -1
          Quote: bairat
          It’s sad to live in such a country, fascist elements climb out of all the cracks. Why does my grandfathers fight and die? What would some ancestors stick to me the fate of the American Indians? Ugh, shit with us and not a federation.

          I’m sure and convinced that if the Russian leadership would like to, it would root out these fascist elements and prevent them from developing at all !!
          Everything is done consciously and for the future!
          1. DYMITRY
            DYMITRY 2 October 2012 10: 59
            +6
            Dear Sirs Yarbay, Purgen, dmb let me ask you why those who advocate for the union are:
            Quote: Purgen
            Do not pay attention to half-bags, with "national views".

            as well as
            Quote: dmb
            visitors to the psychiatric hospital's emergency room

            And those who advocate the division of Russia into parts
            Quote: bairat

            And what will it be worse for you if the Tatars unite for example with Azerbaijan?

            Almost the conscience of the nation?
            Why, when the Russians speak of unification, do they immediately start screaming about Russian fascism? But when the representative of the national republics calls for separatism, is this the right of the nation to self-determination? And then he accuses me of double standards.
            Quote: bairat
            Your duplicity is there. Double standarts.

            Don't you think that in this case, double standards are there ???
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 2 October 2012 11: 10
              -3
              Quote: DYMITRY
              let me ask you why those who advocate for the union are:

              Are you sure you understood what you read ??
              1. DYMITRY
                DYMITRY 2 October 2012 11: 30
                +2
                Quote: Yarbay
                Are you sure you understood what you read ??

                Well, I don’t know how to understand if in response to my comments in support of the union accusations of fascism are heard:
                Quote: bairat
                It’s sad to live in such a country, fascist elements climb out of all the cracks.

                And in response to this accusation, I hear, including from you, words of support for this accusation. How else should I understand what I read?
                1. Yarbay
                  Yarbay 2 October 2012 11: 39
                  -3
                  Quote: DYMITRY
                  Well, I don’t know how to understand if in response to my comments in support of the union accusations of fascism are heard:

                  Quote: DYMITRY
                  And in response to this accusation, I hear, including from you, words of support for this accusation. How else should I understand what I read?

                  Are you sure that you are the object of the charge and that the bairat wrote to you, and not the mongoose ??
                  1. DYMITRY
                    DYMITRY 2 October 2012 11: 54
                    +2
                    Quote: Yarbay
                    Are you sure that you are the object of the charge and that the bairat wrote to you, and not the mongoose ??

                    He wrote to me and the mongoose. Read the thread from the beginning. Although here sometimes you do not immediately understand who is who, and to which remark he answered. Therefore, I always try to quote the one to whom I answer.
            2. dmb
              dmb 2 October 2012 11: 41
              +2
              Dear DYMitri, - it does not seem. For speaking of "visitors" I, and all the others, you listed did not mean people striving for the unification of our states. Agree, we are talking about the unification of states, not nations. I will not repeat my position on this issue in the comments to the article on collecting signatures. And we - people of different nationalities, including the "titular" ones, are opposed to any of them having privileges on the territory of a single state. For, as soon as someone starts talking about such privileges, I immediately remember a group of gentlemen, quite rightly hanged by the neck in a German town.
              1. DYMITRY
                DYMITRY 2 October 2012 12: 17
                +1
                Quote: dmb

                Dear DYMitri, - it does not seem. For speaking of "visitors" I, and all the others, you listed did not mean people striving for the unification of our states. Agree, we are talking about the unification of states, not nations.

                Good day Dmitry.
                In something, I agree with you, but far from everything. Speaking about the unification of Belarus between Russia and Ukraine (I write in alphabetical order, so as not to blame Russian fascism and imperial ambitions here), in any case, we should keep in mind the unification of one artificially divided nation. For Belarusians, Ukrainians and Russians do not twist it — this is one nation !!! How at the same time the rights of the Tatars and other peoples living on the territory of the above-mentioned states are violated, I don’t understand!
                In response, separatist calls are heard. Well, I want the Tatar to unite with Azerbaijan, but for God's sake !!!! Though with Papua New Guinea, but only in private, without violating the territorial integrity of the state in which he lives. And here is Russian fascism ????

                Quote: dmb
                And we - people of different nationalities, including the "titular" ones, are opposed to any of them having privileges on the territory of a single state.

                Well, and in what way, the union can give the privileges of a nation including the titular ??? Where are some calls for this? Look at the same Tatarstan, where, in which industry are the Tatars being clamped? Rather, judging by the numerical ratio in the government of the republic of Russians and Tatars, just the latter have privileges !!! In other national republics the situation is the same. Where is Russian fascism? But it is worth mentioning it somewhere, the label is immediately pasted.
                1. bairat
                  bairat 2 October 2012 12: 58
                  -2
                  Quote: DYMITRY
                  in any case, we must keep in mind the unification of one artificially divided nation. For Belarusians, Ukrainians and Russians do not twist it — this is one nation !!! How at the same time the rights of the Tatars and other peoples living on the territory of the above-mentioned states are violated, I don’t understand!
                  In response, separatist calls are heard. Well, I want the Tatar to unite with Azerbaijan, but for God's sake !!!! Though with Papua New Guinea, but only in private, without violating the territorial integrity of the state in which he lives. And here is Russian fascism ????

                  So you, too, somewhere away from the Russian Federation, want to unite without violating territorial integrity? For God's sake, I misunderstood you.

                  Each time I come across the same thing: I try to show the situation on the other hand, I am accused of separatism. You can unite the Russians, but I only hypothetically suggested a similar initiative on the part of the Tatars, and on you, I became a separatist. How to live with such in one country?
                  1. DYMITRY
                    DYMITRY 2 October 2012 13: 20
                    +2
                    Quote: bairat
                    So you, too, somewhere away from the Russian Federation, want to unite without violating territorial integrity? For God's sake, I misunderstood you.

                    And since when, the reunification of the state, that is, the expansion of the territory became a violation of territorial integrity?
                    How do you imagine the violation of territorial integrity: Russia is uniting with Belarus and Ukraine, but is tearing away Tatarstan and other national republics? So do not be like that !!!
                    Tatarstan is a part of Russia, that is, it cannot unite with Azerbaijan without leaving Russia !!! This is the difference between separatism and unification. Therefore, allegations of calls for separatism are absolutely justified. Or do you propose that Tatarstan and Azerbaijan unite inside Russia? Such an offer is welcome.

                    1. bairat
                      bairat 2 October 2012 13: 42
                      0
                      Russians living in three countries want to unite (from the title of the article) - how can I ask non-Russians my place in this association?
                      1. DYMITRY
                        DYMITRY 2 October 2012 14: 11
                        +4
                        Quote: bairat
                        How can I ask non-Russian my place in this association?

                        I can’t understand what place it hurts you. Have you read the article or just the title? Where in the article is there at least one word about some kind of oppression of non-Russians? A direct analogy is given with the reunification of Germany, and everything with the national composition there is also heterogeneous. There are citizens who consider themselves not Germans, but say the Saxons, or Bavarians. We still call them all Germans! And for them we are exactly the same as all Russians. It’s not interesting for them to make out which of us is actually Russian, who is Tatar, who is Chuvash, and so on !!!! And by and large we have nothing to share in this regard. I have a relative in Kazan, I often go there myself, never (with the exception of a few years in the early 90s) had any national problems. We have a lot of Tatars and Bashkirs in the Urals, and here, in general, never, without exception, there were no national problems. I was mistaken for Tatar several times, and no offense arose in me. Why are you so offended that the Russians are supposedly uniting, but the Tatars were not asked? For me, ALL who live in Ukraine are Ukrainians (although I know that Russians and Tatars and Hutsuls and many other nationalities live there), and in Belarus - Belarusians (again, despite the nationality) And in the end, we are all Russian people!!!! We grew up on the same civilization platform, we have the same values, we do not have any irreconcilable differences !!!!
                        From you, in response, we hear accusations of fascism and calls for separatism. Who offended you so nationally that you are so nervous about everything they call Russian?
                      2. bairat
                        bairat 2 October 2012 14: 22
                        0
                        Ok, so in the new union all nations will be equal. I just asked. But comments from the mongoose and others like it leave doubts, not everyone here agrees with you.
                      3. Purgen
                        Purgen 2 October 2012 20: 17
                        +2
                        Bayrat. Dimitri IMHO correctly stated the doctrine I think the conflict is over. The conflict was formed on the "rain puddle" .. WE ARE ALL RUSSIA. WE ALL ... AND YOU AND "PURGEN" ... and Dmitry.). And all the peoples inhabiting Russia from Kaliningrad to Kamchatka. WE ARE ALL RUSSIA.
                      4. Purgen
                        Purgen 2 October 2012 20: 28
                        0
                        Bayrath. YOU ARE CITIZENS OF RUSSIA. (With all rights and obligations) Whatever happens. And point
                        And to be honest. I'd rather go on reconnaissance with "Bayrat" than with "Russian-Ukrainian" ... PARROT. (Persian of our forum,)
                        ps I am friends with the people of Azerbaijan. Adequate guys. Nothing prevents them from supporting their cultural traditions, their language, their faith, IN THE URALS. They were not noticed in debelism.
                      5. bairat
                        bairat 2 October 2012 22: 27
                        0
                        Somehow, I came off the highway near Ulyanovsk and turned on a gazelle. A half-day aiser passing by, completely unfamiliar, helped me: they dug up the car from the snow, put it on wheels, then scattered ten snow to the road about ten meters, and it was around the neck. Then, combining the cables from two KAMAZs, they pulled a gazelle onto asphalt, ice, and cars skidded. Tormented in general. After making sure that everything in my order said goodbye and left, I did not even take the money. There are people among them.

                        Quote: Purgen
                        And to be honest. I'd rather go on reconnaissance with "Bayrat"

                        appreciate your trust soldier
                      6. Purgen
                        Purgen 2 October 2012 22: 33
                        +1
                        Bayrat. "Man" is he or is or is "NOT". Regardless of nationality.
                      7. Purgen
                        Purgen 2 October 2012 22: 49
                        0
                        Bayrat: Thank you too. For your confidence) ... Our Motherland is worth it "to fight for it. Not for life, but for death."
                2. dmb
                  dmb 2 October 2012 14: 42
                  0
                  I’m afraid that you are once again being told by slogans, rather than a search for real paths to unification. 1: Try again to understand what we are going to unite: the people or the territory in which they live. I still believe that we are talking about territory. You don’t have the idea to unite with Canada, although there is a very high percentage of immigrants from Ukraine. 2. Did I write that the union would infringe on the rights of other nationalities? I don’t remember something like that. And if it so happens that Russia will also unite with Kazakhstan and Azerbaijan, then the first one I will welcome. For I know worthy people in these countries. Much more worthy than those who shouted that they feed everyone in 91, and destroyed the Union, now (see comments on the article) they again shout that they feed, and ruin Russia.
          2. mongoose
            mongoose 2 October 2012 11: 18
            +2
            cool! it is worth the Russian to say that - I am Russian! how many right there climbs the Nazis! considering with some kind of hangover that we owe them!
            I want to remind you that the time when the Jews instilled in the Russian People the feeling of guilt for some mythical oppression of the nationalists is over, your constant raids caused a natural reaction of rejection by the "national intelligentsia" and other "mountains unclouded by education and upbringing of children."
            moreover, representatives of Azerbaijan amuse me, where oil is produced per capita no more than in Russia, and all Russia is clogged with poor Azerbaijanis, it’s time for you to go home! build your rich and prosperous state, and not get into those matters that do not concern you in any way
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 2 October 2012 11: 27
              -4
              Quote: mongoose
              cool! should a Russian say that - I am Russian

              Quote: mongoose
              non-Russians forget the fate of the Indians in North America

              In your opinion, you here declared to us that you are Russian ?????????
              1. mongoose
                mongoose 2 October 2012 11: 42
                +3
                Naturally, I am Russian and I defend the rights of Russian people to the United Russian Country! and thanks to some, pulling on the Russian people, who consider it fit to only contain national minorities, many of whom here on this forum have expressed their attitude towards Russians, from neglect and hatred, to the actual situation of slaves who are obliged to feed and groom these ethnic minorities, I’m becoming more radical, no, not to representatives of other ethnic groups, fraternal or, to put it mildly, not very much, but to the nationalities, which were created during the Jewish occupation (17-37 of that century), the appendages of Bolshevism designed to split and destroy My Country
                1. Focuser
                  Focuser 2 October 2012 12: 50
                  +2
                  Quote: mongoose
                  I am Russian and I defend the rights of Russian people to the United Russian Country

                  And, so you want to divide Russia or what? Separate all the republics that are members of the federation and thereby create a United Russian Country where only Russians will live ?!
                  1. mongoose
                    mongoose 2 October 2012 13: 04
                    +1
                    ??? and why is France a French country and doesn’t anybody from other nationalities living there object to this?
                    or are you thinking for me? and you think that all non-Russians should leave Russia? Well, keep your conjectures to yourself. When Russia was a Russian country, problems with national minorities and national minorities as a rule did not have
                    1. bairat
                      bairat 2 October 2012 13: 21
                      +1
                      Quote: mongoose
                      and why is France a French country and doesn’t anybody from other nationalities living there object to this?

                      Have you been looking for an example? In Spain and England they object.
        5. mongoose
          mongoose 2 October 2012 11: 07
          0
          it’s sad that so many Russophobes live in my Russia, it’s time to thin out their stock
        6. Uncle
          Uncle 2 October 2012 11: 14
          -1
          Quote: bairat
          fascist elements climb out of all the cracks
          Such thinking is a communist legacy. Tears for the former power of the colossus, which appeared on the clay feet of atheism.
        7. darkman70
          darkman70 2 October 2012 16: 55
          +2
          The fascist elements are those who oppose the reunification of the Russian people and in every way discriminate against the Russians in their republic. Let me remind you that it was Hitler who advocated the separation of Ukrainians, Belarusians and Great Russians.
    6. 1976AG
      1976AG 2 October 2012 09: 41
      0
      The meaning of unification in our roots and family ties that we have developed over centuries and in this regard nationalities living in Russia is not an exception. You yourself wrote INDIGENOUS - what questions can be?
    7. Uncle
      Uncle 2 October 2012 11: 08
      +2
      In Kazan, the Churches are adjacent to the Mosques and this does not bother anyone. Let the Tatars unite, if only with good intentions.
    8. Uncle
      Uncle 2 October 2012 11: 40
      -1
      Quote: bairat
      Russian experts, as usual, "forget" that they live in multinational countries. And I have a question: since the Russians of the three countries unite, what are the Tatars and other indigenous nations doing at this time?

      You are absolutely right. To unite Russians, discarding other nations, is to pour water with the child. Such a union will give rise to even greater separation. Then the question will be, who should be considered Russian? How many mixed marriages we have, go and figure out what nationality the child is. All sorts of peoples lived in the Russian Empire, someone converted to Orthodoxy, for example, Mordovians, former sworn enemies. Someone remained faithful to their faith, but even subjugated peoples took the oath of allegiance to the Tsar and the Fatherland and served faithfully. Long live the autocracy!
    9. Che
      Che 2 October 2012 15: 44
      +1
      bairat,
      Yes, do nothing how they lived from time immemorial together and live together. And do not go on about the foreign creature different.
  16. Bobxnumx
    Bobxnumx 2 October 2012 08: 15
    -1
    We’ll unite with China and show Uncle Sam where Kuzkina’s mother lives! wassat
  17. bddrus
    bddrus 2 October 2012 08: 23
    +1
    I am only FOR, but any such topic will cause criticism of Russia (about neo-imperial ambitions), and even in Belarus and Ukraine, a generation has already grown up brought up outside the union and brainwashed - "they steal gas", "I am a Nazi muzzle, we came from the Mongols "" they want to take away "and" dad is the last dictator of Europe "- these" comrades "will each in their swamp scream about independence
  18. snek
    snek 2 October 2012 08: 25
    +2
    Well people, well, you can’t do that. It is obvious that the church is simply trying to wash away the residue from any invisible watches and sports cars of individual representatives. Loud and beautiful words, a lot of pathos, but what’s the output? Signature collection? What will he decide? Who will bear these signatures?
    “Who separated the church from the state, who deprived the state idea of ​​the sacred dimension, giving it a petty-utilitarian and vulgar-secular character? Western positivism and its political brainchild is liberalism.

    That is, it was not the Soviet government that separated the church from the state? By the way, that same Soviet power, which not in words but in practice united these peoples.
    And then comes a lot of criticism of all who are against unification. About how they are Uncle Sam's puppets, etc. I am for unification, but I understand that this is a complex and not a quick process. Solving it by collecting signatures is like treating a terminal stage of cancer with mustard plasters. I’m more or less regularly in Ukraine and I know the mood of the people - everyone is already used to living in a separate state and they don’t see the benefits of unification.
    All sorts of speeches, collection of signatures, etc. - This is empty tinsel. It takes a long and painstaking work. We need to develop economic and cultural ties, we must finally solve our own problems (primarily corruption), so that they would like to unite with us.
  19. bistrov.
    bistrov. 2 October 2012 08: 35
    +3
    As far as I understand, the collection of signatures is carried out in the Church of St. Nicholas in Moscow. How, then, can a citizen of Ukraine put his signature? It is necessary to expand the points for collecting signatures in the Ukrainian Orthodox churches of the Moscow Patriarchate, which are in almost every Ukrainian city, and to announce the list of these churches on the Internet. If we collect the required number of signatures, we still need to force, for example, the Ukrainian authorities to announce a referendum, and it will not be easy, because they will stubbornly prevent this. And I am a good idea with both hands "for"! All sorts of spiteful critics of this idea are simply sent where they should.
    1. Uncle
      Uncle 2 October 2012 11: 17
      -3
      Quote: bistrov.
      How, then, can a citizen of Ukraine put his signature?

      Your Church is far from everywhere subordinate to the Russian Orthodox Church. Your Uniates are schismatics, nobody will talk about unification with them until they repent.
  20. lewerlin53rus
    lewerlin53rus 2 October 2012 09: 02
    +1
    In general, the idea of ​​collecting signatures is very robust, you just need to give the opportunity to put your signature on the territory of the entire former USSR. After all, all kinds of sociological polls are conducted, based on the results of which some conclusions are drawn.
  21. serge
    serge 2 October 2012 09: 14
    0
    The idea of ​​collecting signatures is good, of course, but, as the development of events shows, it was not organized by the Russian Orthodox Church, but personally limited by Chaplin’s initiative and his arrival. It is good, of course, that the question of unification has already been raised at such a level. Now, if the whole Russian Orthodox Church, which has more than thirty thousand parishes, joined this idea ...
  22. darkman70
    darkman70 2 October 2012 09: 36
    +1
    The process has begun. And who first announced this does not play a big role. The main thing to start.
  23. Rezun
    Rezun 2 October 2012 09: 40
    +6
    .... criticism of the collection of signatures for the referendum on the unification of Russia, Belarus and Ukraine is often unfounded

    And what, ministers of worship do not have the right to put forward initiatives and be interested in their opinions fellow citizens [/ u?] Critics of this collection of signatures are stepping on the eternal rake: they consider themselves entitled to fight with ideas, worldview, understanding of the world. They do not understand that it is impossible to destroy, distort what is in people's minds and what is confirmed by their personal life experience .And I would like to ask the question: "Gentlemen, would you be less indignant if this initiative were put forward by the communists, or, not by nightfall, Zhirinovsky ???
    Your dissatisfaction can be explained only by one - you tremble from the mere prospect of another steps to consolidate the companyreally undertaken real power!
  24. volcano
    volcano 2 October 2012 10: 31
    +1
    Dear Colleagues, I am with both hands and feet FOR unification, for the restoration of a powerful Slavic state ....

    But I want to ask you to think about this ...

    I watched as that transmission Duel with Solovyov and now to the answer of one of the guests about Moscow, Solovyov suddenly said "How can you not love Moscow ..... Any Russian loves Moscow ..... If a person does not like Moscow, then he not Russian"...

    And then I realized one thing .... Moskvich sincerely believes that everyone should love Moscow .... but is it really ???
    I have also seen more than once how, in various television debates about the collapse of the USSR, all those present shout that this is a mistake, that they did not want it, and that everyone wants it back .... Everything seems beautiful, but as a rule the Russians say it, and not representatives of other nations .... (they simply don’t call) .... Even here on the website there are Ukrainians who love Russia, but at the same time say that Ukraine is an independent state and do not feel the desire to unite ......
    Again, the initiative discussed in this article takes place in Russia
    Therefore, I always have one question ....... Do Ukraine and Belarus also want to unite with us ..... or is it just our deep desire ..... Agree that normal and close relations are with each other another is still not the same thing as living in one state .........
    Do we wishful thinking ???
    I would really like to see or hear such initiatives from Ukraine and Belarus, but there is silence ......... We Russians want this ..... I want it, but do they want it?
    And are we not cunning ourselves of blaming inaction in terms of unification on the leadership and elites? but not at all the peoples of these countries ???
    Of course there are Ukrainians and Belarusians, who also FOR and with their hands and feet, but how many of them actually ???
    All of this is a bit confusing, to be honest, because what seems to be easier ???
    We held referendums and united .. (after all, in fact, even the conflict of elites can be easily "ruined" by consolidating spheres of influence) ...
    1. 1976AG
      1976AG 2 October 2012 11: 05
      +1
      I completely agree. But this is not about violent unification! Who needs it? Only according to the results of the referendum.
    2. Uncle
      Uncle 2 October 2012 11: 19
      +1
      Quote: volkan
      I would really like to see or hear such initiatives from Ukraine and Belarus, but there is silence ....
      The peoples want. Someone must first reach out.
  25. Sasha 19871987
    Sasha 19871987 2 October 2012 10: 32
    +4
    God forbid, unite, all the same, we have common blood
  26. 8 company
    8 company 2 October 2012 10: 33
    +2
    If Russia follows the correct socio-economic policy, which provides a significant increase in real incomes of the population compared to the outskirts, then lagging behind Ukraine and Belarus will simply fall apart and the unification will happen by itself. And the local suburban kings who monopolized state power, in this case, just need to give a kick in one place to accelerate.
    1. mongoose
      mongoose 2 October 2012 11: 22
      0
      not quite so, although there is some truth in this, but in Russia they already live two to three times better than in the rest of its parts now called Ukraine and Belarus, this confirms that how many representatives of these parts of Russia are moving to Russia
    2. 1976AG
      1976AG 2 October 2012 11: 24
      +1
      It may not fall apart, but a high standard of living is an important factor in unification.
    3. Uncle
      Uncle 2 October 2012 11: 45
      +1
      Let's unite, we’ll eat Belarusian stew! Oh, the life begins !!! smile
      1. 8 company
        8 company 2 October 2012 12: 11
        +2
        Quote: Uncle
        Let's unite, we’ll eat Belarusian stew!


        Greetings, Dmitry! By the way, yes: while I lived in Russia, I could not find a normal stew at all. Now I eat and praise Orsha stew - well, they can if they want! But Belarusian vodka must be approached with caution, it can be vile to impossibility.
        1. mongoose
          mongoose 2 October 2012 12: 21
          +1
          at our Yoshkar-Ola meat processing plant of the highest and first grades, it’s good, they still do according to the guest, when I wander on a hunt, colleagues from other regions praise
          1. DYMITRY
            DYMITRY 2 October 2012 12: 26
            +2
            Orsk stew is also quite good. Which is done according to Soviet GOSTs.
  27. andrey_sk
    andrey_sk 2 October 2012 10: 46
    -1
    And the Domodedovo republic also needs to be invited!
  28. evgenii67
    evgenii67 2 October 2012 11: 26
    +1
    The thought is wonderful !!!!! God grant and everything will turn out. Great Russia with its center in Rostov ...... for example. Straight as much thought excites
    1. Zmitcer
      Zmitcer 2 October 2012 12: 19
      -4
      Quote: evgenii67
      Great Russia with the center in Rostov

      more logical Minsk, or Vilna. Rostov and Russia ... ha ha .. wassat
      1. volcano
        volcano 2 October 2012 12: 44
        +1
        Quote: Zmitcer
        Rostov and Russia ... ha ha ..


        And in what haha ​​do not explain ???

        And why is it more logical Minsk or Vilna ???
        Your logic is extremely curious ..
        1. Green 413-1685
          Green 413-1685 2 October 2012 13: 02
          +1
          So wants to be a resident of the capital. He himself is from Minsk, and his grandfather pokotsat with evil Muscovites from Vilno is known, this Zhmudin decided so that his historical farm should be the capital of the world.)))
      2. mongoose
        mongoose 2 October 2012 12: 50
        +1
        Minsk? Willy? and why? they never had all-Russian significance (not Lithuanian) is not comparable with the value of Staraya Ladoga, Mr. Veliky Novgorod, Kiev, Vladimir, Moscow, St. Petersburg in the end.
        on what basis do you think so, except for your mriy ???
        1. Joker
          Joker 2 October 2012 14: 54
          0
          And I'm for Kiev wink You can and Rostov.
  29. mongoose
    mongoose 2 October 2012 12: 01
    0
    in principle, Russia does not hurt to divide the capital functions between different cities, Moscow is the presidential center and the center of the military command

    + Government, St. Petersburg - the Judicial Center (criminal and civil), the Minsk fleet, say the Constitutional Court, Kiev - the parliamentary center of the Duma + Senate (and they like to chat there from time immemorial)
    Alma-Ata? The Arbitration Court for the regions of Russia (full name, say, the Federation of Russia, Little Russia, New Russia, Belarus and Kzakhstan laughing
    1. 1976AG
      1976AG 2 October 2012 12: 26
      +1
      In the 80s, the question of the separation of capital functions was considered - Moscow should be left the capital of the USSR, and Volgograd should be made the capital of the RSFSR. We already had a draft of the government house (Council of Ministers) ready and a place was chosen for it, but perestroika, Gorbachev ... It was not before that, and the USSR ordered it to live there for a long time.
      1. mongoose
        mongoose 2 October 2012 12: 38
        +1
        but in this case I am against the capital of Russia Moscow, here the capital of the union could be in Stalingrad
        1. 1976AG
          1976AG 2 October 2012 13: 20
          +1
          In general, it is logical, but the question was just that.
    2. Focuser
      Focuser 2 October 2012 12: 43
      +1
      Wow, why did you swipe Kazakhstan? It is about the unification of Russia, Ukraine and Belarus, actually
      1. mongoose
        mongoose 2 October 2012 12: 52
        +1
        and our Russian brothers and Turks living in the Kazakh steppes and mountains, will not stand aside, I am personally sure of this, and there is an experience in communicating with the Kazakhs
      2. serge
        serge 2 October 2012 18: 33
        0
        Unification with Kazakhstan and Belarus has almost taken place. Only the common currency remains.
  30. bairat
    bairat 2 October 2012 13: 04
    +2
    Quote: mongoose
    and our brothers are Russian and Turkic

    Türks became brothers already? But what about the nationalities and the fate of the American Indians?
    1. Grandfather Nikola
      Grandfather Nikola 3 October 2012 16: 24
      +1
      Airat does not quarrel, tuktale, fascism and nationalism are not the same thing. Ukrainians, Belarusians and Russians are one Russian people. Tatars, Bashkirs, Komi, Chuvash, etc. - These are fraternal Rusich peoples.
      If you do not consider yourself involved in the Russian world, why read this article and start a conversation.
  31. escobar
    escobar 2 October 2012 13: 34
    +1
    I AM TWO HANDS FOR.
  32. Mak
    Mak 2 October 2012 14: 02
    0
    Nakoy do we need them? They have already shown their face. You have few problems? Do you think we will unite and the problems will disappear? Yes, there will be even more of them. I am personally against it.
    If they want, they themselves will come. Over there, Turks slaughtered Armenians and Georgians at one time - so they quickly came running to us. Only now you need to think - do we need it? We are not a poor country in terms of resources - all this gang-watering can from the 90s to hell with a filthy broom ...

    In general, on a subject:

    The accordion is really wild :)
    1. zelenchenkov.petr1
      zelenchenkov.petr1 3 October 2012 07: 36
      -1
      Dear, even Bravo is not enough somehow, ........
      BRAVISIMOOOOOO, damn it, BRAVISIMOOOOO !!!!
      And with the card, ..... just shine !!!
      Their betrayal is undoubtedly !!! Betrayed once, betrayed and more! They’ll drive, after all, to nonsense .... on occasion and subsequently, GOD-NYAT !!!!
      WHERE x ... r they us, WHERE ???
      It is better to support the ARMENIANs, even at the expense of increasing my beggarly pension !!!!!
  33. Brother Sarych
    Brother Sarych 2 October 2012 14: 19
    -1
    Another roof goes about himself in the third person to write!
    What referendum? What are you speaking about? Why shake the air for nothing?
  34. evgenii67
    evgenii67 2 October 2012 15: 31
    0
    Quote: Zmitcer
    Quote: evgenii67
    Great Russia with the center in Rostov

    more logical Minsk, or Vilna. Rostov and Russia ... ha ha ..

    Why did I write Rostov, but because Rostov is the Father of Russian cities !!!!! Now it’s interesting to learn from you why Minsk or Vilnius is even more interesting ???? with the same success I could write Smolensk, for example !!!!!!!!!
  35. sprut
    sprut 2 October 2012 21: 59
    +2
    Russia, Belarus, Ukraine and Kazakhstan are one state, temporarily divided! Great Russia must and must draw into itself, suck in, sew in itself completely and forever these fragments of it. This is our future ...
  36. Setrac
    Setrac 2 October 2012 23: 15
    0
    Why is it that Azerbaijan cannot unite with Russia? Why is it possible for Ukraine and Belarus, but not for Azerbaijan?
    1. Allegedly
      Allegedly 3 October 2012 04: 56
      +1
      Why is Azerbaijan not allowed? Everything is possible if it has a purpose and does not violate the laws of both countries, just for what and why? It’s not a secret that today's Russia came from Kievan Rus (let’s say, there is its cradle), then it grew east, north and south. And in fact, they represent one people speaking different dialects and dialects, but of the same language. Is Azerbaijan ready to sacrifice sovereignty and delegate national powers to Moscow? I personally am very not sure about this ... Although it used to be, and Azerbaijan lived in the bosom of the USSR as a king in name days ... And the question still remains open whether Azerbaijan is ready to sacrifice its sovereignty, not in words but in deeds ?

      A big request to the forum users do not minus for such questions as * Setrac *, while people behave honestly and decently, I myself once grabbed this grief.
    2. mongoose
      mongoose 3 October 2012 08: 49
      0
      Azerbaijan has already moved to Russia by a third, the contingent that is not the most useful for our society, push around the markets, sell drugs, noisy and useless people, besides Russophobia
  37. olo-olo
    olo-olo 2 October 2012 23: 22
    -1
    While dreaming about unification there, the process of destruction is going on. Finally, it's a silly topic
  38. Allegedly
    Allegedly 3 October 2012 04: 45
    0
    You can unite, the question is price. Germany, taking the GDR on the balance sheet, poured 2 trillion euros into it, and this is by the most conservative estimate. These are direct and indirect investments, in addition to constant injections. In addition, every West German pays 7 or 8 percent (sorry, I don’t remember exactly) of his income on the GDR. Will Russia accept such sacrifices? And this is despite the fact that salaries there are lower than in Western federal lands. Unemployment there is just going through the roof, which means benefits, allowances, benefits ... Of course, it’s not just that those who receive social assistance must work for 1 euro per hour, for a full time (or at least 6,5-7 hours), each working day. Naturally, in addition, they pay him an apartment and give him crumbs for groceries. They wash asphalt with soap, sweep, collect garbage, etc. (the list is endless). Once again I repeat my question: is the Russian Federation ready for such victims?
    1. zelenchenkov.petr1
      zelenchenkov.petr1 3 October 2012 07: 18
      0
      Dear, you very accurately expressed the main idea !!! They, after all, were merchants, and now .... they have become more: but sho mane tse will give - that’s the question!
      I personally VOTE .... for an increase in my beggarly retirement III !!!!!!
    2. mongoose
      mongoose 3 October 2012 08: 45
      0
      it’s not a sacrifice, it’s a vital necessity, besides, it’s quite possible to return this money to the budget due to the enlargement of the domestic market
  39. zelenchenkov.petr1
    zelenchenkov.petr1 3 October 2012 07: 03
    0
    Gentlemen, the idea of ​​uniting 3 Slavic states is good, but premature!
    Both Ukraine and Belarus, and indeed Russia, must be ill with INDEPENDENCE - non-fallow!
    What will this union give me, a simple layman? What?! Is it to go on a visit once in a hundred years ... without a visa ?!
    However, when visiting Ukraine in 1995, I, a blood relative, was repeatedly reminded of Goldmore, as if it had not touched Russia, selectivity - a claim to the center of the Slavs, economic sufficiency and power of Ukraine, and more! Even the Crimea was taken from the Turks ..... SECURES on their STRANGAN-dolbanks ........ Nakhimov, the guys who broke the Turkish fleet, Nakhimov ... ensured the capture of Crimea !!!
    This is necessary, they are Bohdan Khmelnitsky .... despised !!! This is an outstanding commander, as well as a politician !!!
    Needless to say, Ukraine should sober up from the dull of NON-SALON SELF-SUFFICIENCY ... probably, as in the days of Khmelnitsky, ... through the SUFFERTS of the people!
  40. Patriot
    Patriot 3 October 2012 16: 29
    +2
    EVERYTHING IS SIMPLE. This completely contradicts the strategies applied to Russia both from abroad and the current Russian government.
    Now, if the Russian people blur 50% to 50% of newcomers in order to permanently kill any Russian spirit and the beginnings of Russian unity, THIS YES, IT IS POSSIBLE! EVEN NECESSARY! This, however, is precisely the very thing that the Russian authorities are now doing, led by Putin.
    AT THIS MOMENT, A PLANNED FIGHT IS COMING WITH THE RUSSIAN IDEA AND ALL THINGS RELATED TO THE RUSSIANS!
  41. ioann1
    ioann1 3 October 2012 18: 42
    +1
    The states of Holy Russia - Russia, Ukraine, Belarus - should become a single State! This State is from GOD Himself.
    Anyone who opposes such a state speaks illogically and does not see the depth of the whole essence of the issue.
    Separating these countries, a terrible crime was committed against the peoples of these countries. Constantly influencing the base feelings of certain groups of people - nationalists and liberals of pro-American beliefs, thereby provoking constant squabbles and dissonance in communication between people and between our governments.
    1. Allegedly
      Allegedly 8 October 2012 00: 12
      0
      To say so, one must be a morally pure people, leading a godly way of life. Where old people are respected and women marry virgins. Where there are no orphans, there is no place for injustice and indifference, alcoholism and drug addiction. When did any of you pick up the Bible?
  42. Mugs
    Mugs 3 October 2012 23: 08
    0
    To rely on Slavic roots in the desire to unite, I believe it is not correct and dishonest in relation to other nations living in our countries. Why go so far into the past, look for some ancient sources, when just recently we were all a single people in the Great Country and looking at the map, we were proud that one sixth of the land is our homeland.
    I am a reunion of an Empire torn into parts of the country, if someone turns back on the word of the USSR, all its nations and territories with one, very few exception - let the Baltic mongrel go their own way.