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Let us examine the article "At the exercises" Kavkaz-2012 "a soldier was killed, two were wounded"

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A stormy discussion of another Izvestiya article began on the Internet, where the failed results of the Kavkaz-2012 exercises performed by the 19 bsbr were mentioned. Users exclaimed: "After this article, the feeling remains that some kind of collapse in the army, not an improvement," forgetting that one thing can be written on the fence, and there is actually firewood. Today I spent on figuring out what was true in the publication of Izvestia, and what about fables. As you remember, I was twice in the 19 Brigade, I have friends there, and in this record will be comments from one of the brigade officers to the above article. The officer was directly involved in the exercises at the Rayevskaya training range from the beginning to the end.

I am analyzing the article "On the exercises "Kavkaz-2012" killed soldiers, two injured" the points:

During the Caucasus-2012 exercises, the 19th motorized rifle brigade deployed in Vladikavkaz lost three soldiers - one was killed and two were seriously injured. In addition, the equipment was irretrievably lost - one T-90 tank, one BMP-3 and one autotractor. Another seven infantry fighting vehicles, tanks and cars require a long overhaul.

This is tales. One soldier was killed and one BMP needed to be repaired. Read below for details.

- The contractor died from careless handling of a grenade from an RPG-7. The grenade exploded in his hands. And two conscript soldiers were caught in the cab of the auto-tractor on the march, ”an officer in the control of the Southern Military District told Izvestia.
The brigade column advanced to the border with South Ossetia. A KamAZ tractor pulled a trailer with a BMP-3 without a crew, and the driver of the tractor failed to cope with a difficult mountain road. As a result, the tractor and the trailer overturned and fell into the abyss. Also on the march the Ural tank truck was lost.

The anonymous man hiding under the phrase "command officer of the Southern Military District" is lying. The contractor died not at all because of careless handling of an RPG-7 grenade, but because the devil pulled him to pick up an unexploded NURS after aviation shooting. Background. The brigade arrived at the "Raevskaya" training ground in August, and the personnel began to equip positions, establish a target field. Every day, instructions were given not to touch unexploded ordnance, of which there were quite a few at the range. The deceased contract soldier was a member of the Tarskoye polygon team (Ingushetia); was perfectly aware of safety measures in such cases. Nevertheless, for some reason he raised the NURS, it exploded, the soldier was mortally wounded, after which he died the next morning. Nobody else was hurt during the exercise.
About avtyagagach. You are not puzzled by the phrase that the brigade column during the exercises for some reason, is being advanced to the border with South Ossetia, although it is necessary to go completely in the opposite direction to the Krasnodar Territory? That's right, because the case is described after the end of the exercises, when a completely different task was performed. And not a brigade column rode, but a battalion. That is, these incidents have nothing to do with the teachings, but they are draped for wit, in order to create a general atmosphere of eeriness.

According to the officer, the loss in technology began in the brigade before the start of the exercise. At the point of permanent dislocation, three T-90, 20 BMP-3 tanks and almost all engineering battalion engineers remained inoperative. Since the engineering units are the best equipped with the equipment, the whole battalion's lack of readiness (about 50 units) caused the organizational conclusions of the command.

Lies. Sappers with equipment left for training and participated in the arrangement of positions. In the brigade, one of the motorized rifle battalions remained for service, the BMP of which, probably, was attributed to defaulter for breakdowns.

Tanks and armored vehicles broke down at the stage of preparation for the exercises. On one BMP, the engine was completely disabled, one tank was dropped from the trailer under the bridge, as a result of which the tower was blown off, internal equipment and the engine were broken (cannot be restored), and two more tanks had guns broken. This happens if the tank pokes a gun into the ground on rough terrain. The ground is hammered into the trunk, and at the first shot it breaks, as in the movie “White Tiger”.

Reading this paragraph, I realized that I was experiencing deja vu, and I was not mistaken. In the blue eye, all the accidents with armored vehicles that took place in the brigade over the past few years are written here. Thus, the tankers drew the ground with their trunks during firing on the move at the Tarskoye range more than 2 years ago, moving under difficult terrain conditions. The tank fell from the bridge a year and a half ago. Why aren't examples of the times of the Great Patriotic War given? It would be possible to draw a picture of a complete Armageddon.

In the course of the exercises themselves, the fighters sank two BMP-3 while crossing the river. They were taken out with the help of tractors, but the depth was such that one armored vehicle received a hydraulic shock. Now you can restore it only at the factory.

There is no river, dreamers, the crossing was over the lake. Crews for the first time overcame a water hazard, as a result of inexperience of drivers, the 2 BMP-3 really drowned. People are not affected. Both cars are naturally raised. One car remained in service, it only needed to change the oil, another young driver forgot to drown out, as a result of which the engine suffered.

At the stage of combat shooting, the driver mechanics killed the engine of his BMP. He did not check the plug on the oil tank, the oil leaked out, and the fighter started the car and hit the gas.

My friend has no idea about this case.

Next are irrelevant comments. Unfortunately, some publications news they cook like in a famous joke: - Is it true that our Abramchik in a casino won a million in preference?
- True. Only not in a casino, but on Privoz. And not in preference, but in point. And not a million, but five hundred rubles. And did not win, but lost.
The sensation is created, people shaval, the rating has grown. I remember about the teachings in Kamchatka, too, they composed a lot of things, but there the liar got very stupid, and the lie was poorly disguised. Here they acted smarter. In general, the age of information technology has led to the fact that the cover-up struggle in military circles began to spill out in the media. It is curious whether Alexei Gaidai, a fake war veteran, is not here even leaving his mark?

For vehicle breakdowns and accidents. For some reason, many non-serving people get the impression that no emergency should take place in the army. On a civilian, one or another aggregate on personal equipment and machinery of enterprises often fails, but does this not bother anyone? Also, everybody knows that every day hundreds of accidents, big and small, occur in the country, so why shouldn’t they be in the army, where people like you are driving? Only often younger and with less driving experience. Soldiers learn to manage complex equipment and in the process of studying an inevitable nth percentage of accidents and breakdowns. This is normal. No one wants to sacrifice, they try to avoid them in every way, but sometimes they do happen. After all, this is life, and not some abstract vacuum.

Not about the article, but about the teachings. From this year on, the delivery of personnel to the training place is practiced not by vehicle technology, but by buses. The equipment arrives at the landfill by rail or by car. Thus, its lifespan is saved, and people travel many hundreds of kilometers in comfortable conditions.
At these exercises, the fighters were fed civilian chefs from an outsourcing organization that serves the brigade in the PDP in Vladikavkaz. Fed, according to a friend, very well.
The brigade arrived a month before the start of the exercise, set up positions and held several rehearsals for the maneuver defense of the formation. My friend says that the soldiers got a wealth of experience in engineering equipment of positions, shot a lot, were engaged in tactics, and learned how to operate equipment afloat. In the course of training, the scenario of the exercises was changed several times, the units received new tasks, so all the personnel worked on these or other actions in defense and counterattacks.

Equipment positions
Let us examine the article "At the exercises" Kavkaz-2012 "a soldier was killed, two were wounded"


Disguised T-90A


Preparing cars for crossing the lake




Afloat. On the gun fixed camera channel "Star"



One of the episodes of the teachings


Regarding the non-strategicity of strategic exercises. They say that the troops had to disrupt their permanent deployment, give them an unexpected task, and constantly change the introduction. This is not done for many years. If anyone can recall such teachings for the past 20 years, then please unsubscribe in the comments. Security issues and “how-to-do-nothing” negated such training. If you do not know what will happen at each stage, then there is a great chance that they will open fire at the wrong time and someone will be in the line of fire. Someone crushed during the night march. Someone stumbles, falls into the water and drowns. Losing public opinion now does not forgive. And high command too. You killed a soldier, so hang yourself: "How did you allow this? To deprive of a premium! Dismiss! In court! And a company, and a commander!". Better to be safe.
Equipping the army with computer simulators, where you can simulate battles within a brigade, laser simulators of shooting, will help solve the problem. Now at the landfill in Mulino is building the first training center, equipped with these technologies. In the future, such centers will appear on all landfills. In the meantime, we will have non-strategic strategic exercises.
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  1. leon-iv
    leon-iv 1 October 2012 16: 39
    +3
    Denis Mokrushin has a great phrase from Murakhovsky. About the fact that our army is only learning to fight at the platoon-company-battalion level.
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 1 October 2012 16: 57
      +1
      God forbid, still at the level of branch-office
      1. leon-iv
        leon-iv 1 October 2012 17: 18
        +2
        branch office
        By the way, it seems to me that for combined arms combat it is much easier to carry out coordination at the company level. Than for Tactics Special Training at the branch level. Tk for combined arms infantryman needs to have a small set of skills. But TSP requires understanding at the subconscious level, and for this you need a year and a half at least with classes 2 times a week for 5-6 hours at least. And for a good DSP, good landfills are still under construction. And for the combined arms already.
        By the way, thanks for the videos from them took a couple of points. I will process the photo and video recordings from the workout on Sunday, throw off the link.
      2. bamboo
        bamboo 1 October 2012 20: 24
        +2
        Link - Branch ???????
        hmm .......
      3. carbofo
        carbofo 1 October 2012 21: 46
        +1
        Pimply,
        PROBABLY LINK of airplanes with the DIVISION OF INFANTRY on the march%))
  2. biglow
    biglow 1 October 2012 16: 46
    +2
    Oh, to find these scribblers ...
    1. Antipetian 1
      Antipetian 1 1 October 2012 17: 00
      +2
      In Izvestia, neither news is a gun
      1. Kurdalagon
        Kurdalagon 1 October 2012 17: 40
        +6
        There is no news in Pravda, and there is no truth in Izvestia. An old Soviet joke.
    2. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 1 October 2012 18: 38
      +3
      Well, you will find. AND? And he will tell you that he received the information by phone and voiced it. The question is where is the reaction of the RA press service?
      1. Kars
        Kars 1 October 2012 19: 05
        +3
        In the course of the exercises themselves, the fighters sank two BMP-3 while crossing the river. They were taken out with the help of tractors, but the depth was such that one armored vehicle received a hydraulic shock. Now you can restore it only at the factory.

        There is no river, dreamers, the crossing was over the lake. Crews for the first time overcame a water hazard, as a result of inexperience of drivers, the 2 BMP-3 really drowned. People are not affected. Both cars are naturally raised. One car remained in service, it only needed to change the oil, another young driver forgot to drown out, as a result of which the engine suffered.


        Of course, in this part the refutation is brutal - drowned, but not in the river but in the lake)))
        For the most part, I don’t care. But when something similar happens in the Ukrainian army everyone crumbles, they condole and complain with a high-dimensional look. But here --- well, how do we study, and so on.
        1. PLO
          PLO 1 October 2012 19: 34
          +1
          Of course, in this part the refutation is brutal - drowned, but not in the river but in the lake)))

          Well, it’s more likely that the emphasis is not on the lake, but on the fact that the flooding occurred during the study of the crews (and the first one) and this incident is not something special
  3. grizzlir
    grizzlir 1 October 2012 16: 56
    +4
    While in our army the military equipment is controlled by conscripts and not professional contractors, the equipment will break down, get into accidents, drown. And this is all during the exercises, in the event of an armed conflict, the number of non-combat losses of equipment and people will increase sharply. I hope to recall how many lost equipment on the march during the war with the Georgians is not necessary.
    1. thatupac
      thatupac 1 October 2012 17: 33
      +1
      Contractors are the same conscripts in essence. Remained in the Army to row loot. But serious technology doesn’t let anyone down. Even from among the contractors. The equipment breaks down because those of the soldiers and officers who must keep an eye on it and keep it in good condition put such a thick bolt on their duties (maybe they hope).
      1. Kyrgyz
        Kyrgyz 1 October 2012 21: 40
        0
        Quote: thatupac
        Remained in the Army to row loot

        Sounds a lot laughing
    2. Nick
      Nick 1 October 2012 20: 23
      +1
      Quote: grizzlir
      While in our army, military equipment is controlled by conscripts and not professional contractors, the equipment will break down, get into accidents, drown

      All of the above will happen and with the contractors, of course, the human factor has not been canceled, but only at times less ...
  4. Antipetian 1
    Antipetian 1 1 October 2012 16: 58
    -2
    Wow! How quickly does VO work! In less than 3 days! Wow!
    1. PLO
      PLO 1 October 2012 18: 34
      0
      author Denis Mokrushin aka twower
      link to his blog is given after the article
  5. valton
    valton 1 October 2012 17: 15
    +1
    Don't be surprised. The scribe, which McFaul has enough to keep.
  6. FAXI
    FAXI 1 October 2012 17: 23
    +2
    The loss of technology is not only due to the soldier of the conscript, but due to lack of care and criminal negligence
    1. thatupac
      thatupac 1 October 2012 17: 34
      -1
      The conscript himself ... You are right.
  7. thatupac
    thatupac 1 October 2012 17: 34
    +2
    The owner of Izvestia is a former owner of lifenews. That as if hints ...
  8. vorobey
    vorobey 1 October 2012 17: 45
    +2
    today only Dims dropped the link in another thread, and this news was still on Friday in the news. Kars unsubscribed. I then read this and understood the whole nonsense. I needed a hot pie, so it was blinded. And why, by the way, is so little about these teachings of appraisal articles that really saw everything? even I’m a man who has not been dedicated for a long time, but sometimes paying attention to little things I know that a new Volvo tanker was dragged there I would like to hear reviews.
  9. almost demobil
    almost demobil 1 October 2012 17: 46
    +2
    Lies. Sappers with equipment went to the exercises and participated in the arrangement of positions
    .And how then to understand the first photograph? Is this the same engineer with all his equipment? It can be seen with the naked eye that the trenches were not dug by the trencher, but by hand.
  10. Larus
    Larus 1 October 2012 17: 57
    0
    It’s good that now we are even studying, in my two years of service we are platoon, company, battalion, we only studied on the parade ground))
  11. Yarbay
    Yarbay 1 October 2012 18: 25
    +1
    *** Issues of security and "whatever happens" negated such training. If you do not know what will happen at each stage, then there is a great chance that the shooting will be opened at the wrong time and someone will be in the line of fire. Someone will be crushed during the night march. *** - In order for this not to happen, soldiers in the deployment units must constantly prepare and those preparing the exercise must foresee everything !!
  12. Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 1 October 2012 18: 29
    +5
    non-military casualties during exercises occur in all armies of the world and the main reasons are careless handling of weapons and violation of safety instructions; unfortunately, from personal experience, I twice witnessed such cases at combined arms exercises
    1. vorobey
      vorobey 1 October 2012 18: 54
      +5
      Ruslan will tell worse. This was the year 1990 in Central Asia at the base of our school passed tests of BMP 3. including with live firing. They shot from morning to evening. ammunition was tested too. that among them was a lot of unexploded. and then they threw us to mine. This, of course, is conditionally said since the task was minimized - do not touch anything with hands, and only when detected, mark each shell with a flag, and then sappers will decide what to do. Before this, briefings, instructions and more.
      About three dozen shells were completed, and right there on a half-run we were smoking a circle of about ten people gathering. We are waiting for the rest to catch up. and here comes the guy from my department and with a yell, peasants take a look at what I found throwing a shell from Behi 100 right at the center of the circle, wow we plopped and then brought up Seryozha for a long time. It only dawned on him that the shells were military.

      And also repeated cases when firing from a tank with an extra barrel. Whoever shots knows that if the barrel is warped, periodically there is a skew of the cartridge and jamming. I even caught myself once on the fact that I raise the clamping bar, remove the upper chuck, they start to finish up the rest to send a clip. I was carried by and in the next company pulled in my hands. no brush, and this despite the briefings and all security measures. deuces in this case are not set.

      And many more cases can be told.
      1. Ruslan67
        Ruslan67 1 October 2012 20: 03
        +3
        in our station there was a transmitter Equator power of one and a half kilowatts at exercises at an analogous station, one moron decided to smoke on the roof when he got up clutching his transmitting antenna with his hand at that time the transmitter earned I think that he deserved a Darwin prize
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 2 October 2012 06: 53
          +1
          Quote: Ruslan67
          he earned the Darwin Prize

          but I remember one who wanted to shoot a machine gun like a rambo with one hand!
          I almost killed the whole platoon !!
          the young lieutenant had time!
      2. Baron Wrangell
        Baron Wrangell 2 October 2012 09: 54
        0
        Quote: vorobey
        And many more cases can be told.

        I will continue with your permission!
        During the exercises, a mortar battery, 120 mm, was fired, on the barrel there was a recharge guard, an ordinary flag, a mine in the barrel, the flag blocked the entrance, a shot the flag opened the barrel. This is a prehistory, and such a story, load the team, mine into the table, but the team didn’t shoot, well, no and no, while resting some boob dipped the flag, well, why did he do this, now he won’t even know, in short after a certain time, re-load the team , well, for the sake of calculation, I threw another mine into the trunk, an explosion of 2 min 120 mm, the barrel tore apart, the calculation almost died. Whose fault ? Who is guilty?
        And the second case, also on the exercises.
        Each tank driver knows that during combat firing you cannot open your hatch, because the tower will not be corny, so there’s one wise guy, he drove a wooden cap into the switch, and during the exercises he put his head in the hatch, when turning the tower, the poor fellow had his head cut off! Again, whose fault is it? And who is to blame.?
        And I completely agree that most of the accidents during the exercises are due to sloppiness and failure to fulfill certain requirements by the solates themselves, and often by the officers!
  13. aksakal
    aksakal 1 October 2012 18: 49
    +3
    Equipping the army with computer simulators, where you can simulate battles within the brigade, with laser firing simulators, will help solve the problem. - Just do not go too far with these computer simulators. US helicopter pilots are trained entirely on simulators, after many hours of training on such simulators they are already called experienced pilots. And then these experienced pilots did not sit there at all during the special operation in Iran (when they tried to free the hostages from the American embassy) or during the special operation on Bin Laden.
    As I understand it, the Amer soldiers trained in simulators behave in exactly the same way in Afghanistan. Yesterday's forum member, citing video footage of such fights, noted that the Amer soldier is fighting quite clumsily. And rightly so, how else can a soldier fighting instead of a machine gun hold his digital dummy?
    In general, these simulators are only at the initial stage good. Then everything - in real conditions and on real technology, in the old fashioned way. Nobody came up with better
    1. DIMS
      DIMS 1 October 2012 19: 00
      +2
      You do not understand what kind of simulators we are talking about.
      Training with laser shooting simulators is not much different from airsoft.
  14. algol
    algol 1 October 2012 19: 18
    0
    The great principle: "No matter what happens" and "What Baba Dusya says" lives. And this is all from the precarious position of those in office and the fear of how the master will dispose. 200 and 300 have been in the exercises all their lives, and will be many times more with such preparation. They forgot Suvorov.
  15. uizik
    uizik 1 October 2012 20: 29
    +1
    And in the SA they drowned, broke, burned, blew up, and so on. So what? Ordinary army everyday life. Non-combat losses are inevitable, the reason is the human factor. You can’t learn everything from the simulators. The result of your studies is going to the training ground. And to the scribblers from my respected newspaper, I’ll put a pen in my ass so that people don’t deal with rubbish.
  16. wax
    wax 1 October 2012 21: 38
    +1
    If we take the "non-combat losses" in this age category in production outside the army across the country and compare it with the losses in the army, then, as it were, the army turned out to be no less (in percentage terms).
  17. Botanologist
    Botanologist 1 October 2012 21: 52
    +1
    Weapon exercises are always dangerous. Give the child a slingshot - and it won't do without a bruise. And when everyone is hollowed, it’s all. I remember that grenades in my hands exploded, and machine guns lost, and tanks turned over. And even MTLBV drowned (2 pieces belay ) So what?
    If someone thinks that it is possible to teach a modern combat-ready army from a textbook in a class - a step forward. Remember them in person.
  18. smel
    smel 1 October 2012 21: 54
    0
    I feel sorry for the author ... An idealist ... No, rather an adventurer
  19. mox
    mox 1 October 2012 22: 05
    +1
    Not an article, solid excuses. A shame.
  20. s1н7т
    s1н7т 2 October 2012 01: 24
    +3
    "My friend has no idea about this case ..."
    ___________
    The author gave himself a rating.

    In the photo - a disguised T-90 ... I would have been forced to dig a trench for such a disguise for a tank)))
    1. vorobey
      vorobey 2 October 2012 08: 58
      +1
      Quote: c1n7
      In the photo - a disguised T-90 ... I would have been forced to dig a trench for such a disguise for a tank)))


      Well there and then you can call this hole with an interference fit. half hull on top.