We can lose Ukraine again

During the month of March, we did not publish many materials on the site, let's say, of a critical nature. We don’t rock the boat, when the operation is over, then we’ll talk, and stuff like that.

Teachers at the front

For some materials, the relevant services even promised to investigate and take action. For example, this concerned the material that in the LPR they are massively conscripting and sending to the front line school teachers and university professors. And there they are captured, causing outright laughter from the soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

We were told: “There is no need to publish this, we will figure it out.” A month has passed, everything has remained in its place. Teachers on the front line, killed, injured, captured. Because from the teacher a good soldier is only in the movies.

But in the LPR, this suits everyone. For some reason, in Russia too.

A month ago, we agreed, but since the problem has not been completely resolved, and, as it becomes clear, no one was going to solve it, we are returning to this issue.

But a teacher, that is, a person with a real higher education, a humanist, is not just a person who will teach children in the liberated territories in the future. This is a person who can be wisely used today. A teacher is an intelligent person who can plan, listen and think. It is important.

Civil administrations

What do we have today? A very ugly situation. The Russian army and parts of the LDNR are moving forward, clearing the settlements from the (most importantly) Nazi infection and soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

A month ago, issues of organizing civil administrations were raised. Note, pro-Russian civil administrations. Those who will clear the rubble, change torn wires and damaged pipes, provide assistance to those in need and, in general, establish a normal peaceful life.

What is done? Almost nothing. There is, but very little.

Let me remind you how everything happened in 1945 in German cities. Power immediately passed under the jurisdiction of the military administration, which after a while was changed by civilians. So the father of one of my acquaintances, an engineer who came to the German city of Sonneberg in Thuringia to restore a local factory there, ended up in the position of head of the civil administration. And - did it.

What is happening today in the liberated territories?

Talk about civil administrations remained just talk, as did talk about volunteers. Meanwhile, it is the volunteers from among our military retirees that could form the core of the notorious administrations in the liberated territories.

And this, I note, would be proven people in all respects. Which were previously trusted with quite serious cases.

But no. Our government does not trust its citizens enough to do this. Better to do nothing at all.

But sorry, the power vacuum is sheer absurdity! Proven a long time ago! And if there is no normal formed administration on the territory, then ... it will come! That's just not necessary, probably, to tell who can quickly adapt to a changing situation?

Crime will take over

Naturally, crime. Yes, there is so much of this goodness in Ukraine that there is not the slightest doubt that the so-called "people's mayors" of cities and "people's policemen" will begin to self-nominate from among local criminal authorities.

And who will try to say something against the inhabitants? Against an "authoritative" person who can easily send "brothers" to the dissatisfied by nightfall and arrange anything, from elementary arson to the demonstrative execution of "Ukrainian spies"?

Let our readers from the DPR-LPR correct me, but how many people there “played for basements” in this way, how many property changed owners ... And someone can dig our articles of that time. There, not one episode was grinded with cellars.

Civil, military or military-civil authorities in the liberated territories must be. But it turns out a very strange alignment: Russia does not want to establish its own power (the most authoritative option), Svidomo's power has already fled, what next? And then only small-town well-organized crime.

Is it clear how happy this will make the population of Ukrainian liberated towns and villages? Instead of the Nazis with their Bandera-dad, "authority in terms of concepts" will come.

This is called that we stump on an owl, that an owl on a stump.

And do not even stutter about the fact that the locals will go somewhere to tell something. No one will go anywhere, they are intimidated and downtrodden, and even the war. And they will accept the criminal administration only because they want to live. And in the conditions of lawlessness of wartime, this (deprivation of life of objectionable) to organize just nothing to do.

Law and order

If we bring peace and order to Ukraine, then the Law must prevail! And, excuse me, gentlemen in the Kremlin, according to what law should that part of Ukraine that has already been liberated live today? According to the law of Ukraine? Excuse me, but what then are all these crackdowns on rallies? According to Russian law? But who brought them up, where are the representatives of the law? Police-militia, prosecutor's office, investigating authorities?

Martial law?

So-so. This is a very weak business. These laws are not clearly spelled out anywhere, and it is very dangerous to follow them. So that's life "according to concepts."

And we will issue this under the banner of liberation? Really?

Sorry, this is bullshit. This is such a wild and fierce nonsense that I cannot find normal words to describe it all. I get the impression that the Kremlin has no real idea of ​​what needs to be done.

And I can perfectly understand the Ukrainians, who were taken away from the “bad” Ukrainian law and instead of it they tacitly approved the law according to the concepts of the local lads. It's not even sewn on the soap, it's just some kind of nightmare. Yes, the Ukrainian government has proven itself to be very corrupt and corrupt, but even in this form, it resolved issues based on regulations and laws. Good, bad - but laws.

Now Ukrainians are offered only the lawlessness of wartime. Moreover, for a very indefinite period.

This is fine? And we want to be greeted with flowers there? No, well, the “brotherhood” is local, maybe it will be, but the residents are doubtful. It's not how it should be, it's not.

Together with Russian tanks and the Law must come to the liberated lands by soldiers. Yes, Russian, but who said that it is worse than Ukrainian? I am not a lawyer, but I know that it is better than the law of a man with a machine gun (the Cossacks of Marinovka in 2014 demonstrated this to me famously).

And for a month now, no one even plans to do anything. Once upon a time, there are more important things to do.

Meanwhile, far from all the Ukrainian local population is in wild joy from the fact that it turned out to be in the war. And if it goes at such a pace, it, the population, not only will not rejoice, it will start cursing. And buy kerosene. To start protesting at night.

The problem of law is a very big problem. There. But even here, by the way, it's not much better. What is organized today in terms of relations with the LDNR can only be called nonsense. Moreover, nonsense comes from our side.

Humanitarian aid

At the very beginning of the operation, we received letters to the editorial office on the topic of whether we would do something, somehow support people, and so on. Thanks to everyone who has not forgotten our work in 2014-15. We really did a great job with your help, dear ones.

Today, alas, but personally I can not help. And not because he got old and became heavy on his feet, no. I can't legally. It is simply not possible to take and transfer cargo there. The border is closed, but that's only half the story.

Here's an example for you: a Russian company that grows seeds turned to us for help. The idea was not bad: they wanted to donate their products to the residents of the republics: seeds of vegetables and root crops. Most of all, not a fish, but a fishing rod. And at the beginning of spring it looked generally perfect. Moreover, in a very decent amount.

I got involved, and the Lugansk team and I even threw out a plan on how this could all be implemented. Bring, arrange documents as necessary, distribute to those who need it and everything else. Everything was doable.

However, the border remained closed, the timing of the special operation was "shifted to the right" with enviable constancy, and soon this matter could be forgotten. But that wasn't even the idea. And the fact that the consignor would have to formalize all this as a foreign trade operation with all the consequences. In general, everything is sad.

Moreover, the customs officers themselves shrug their shoulders, referring to the complete absence of any instructions from above.

One gets the impression (and we will talk about this in great detail one of these days) that what is happening in Ukraine has become some kind of surprise for the Russian authorities. It is difficult to say who is to blame for the fact that this happened, but obviously the picture that was in the heads of representatives of power structures has nothing to do with reality.

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Indeed, as if waiting for a sea of ​​flowers, surrendering troops of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, joyful crowds of residents of Ukrainian cities welcoming the liberators. And at one moment they became good representatives of the administrations of Ukrainian cities, who immediately begin to cooperate with the Russian side.

It didn't work out. And in general it looks very stupid.

As a result, a turn from Kyiv to the south, since the main problem has not been solved - the problem of the shelling of Donbass, because of which, in fact, everything began.

Throwing always does not look very nice. And what was the reaction in Russia ...

So far, the main thing is not visible: a clear and thoughtful plan. It is clear that the military part of the special operation will sooner or later (I am sure that later, by autumn, not earlier) will come to its logical conclusion. Run out of fuel, shells, tanks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the world will come. More precisely, hostilities will cease.

And then the most important thing will begin - denazification, which is unrealistic to carry out in the current state of affairs. There is nothing in Ukraine, the vertical of power, the judicial system, the investigative system, and so on are completely absent.

I want to remind you how everything was in Crimea after the annexation. What landings were sent there by all authorities in order for ONE region of Ukraine to switch to the Russian track. It was very difficult. And there were no military operations in the Crimea.

What lies ahead in Ukraine tomorrow causes shock and awe. But for me, as a person who communicates well and understands the mentality of Ukrainians, all this causes such a slight shock. Because all these actions had to be carried out yesterday.

And it will not be the fault of the military that in the "liberated" territories we will get a total guerrilla war. Moreover, with the approval and under the roof of the administrative authorities. It looks new, but it's actually quite old.

And God forbid that this old government would rush to erect monuments to Nikolai Romanov, and not to the newly-appeared innocent saints who were murdered on Ukrainian soil. And yet, this can easily happen.

The worst thing is that there is no time to think. Everything, it's already out. It is necessary to organize the restoration of the destroyed infrastructure, it is necessary to start sowing, harvesting (where they remained intact) winter crops and, in general, to improve life.

And it should have been done a month ago.

I would like to see representatives of the Russian authorities at least a minimal understanding of what is happening. After all, not even we need understanding, understanding is needed for the people of Ukraine in the first place.

Comments

[Repellent]

Quote: Jura 27

And why did the author decide that by the fall the enemy would not have fuel, shells and tanks? The western border is free, Putin's "partners" will supply anything and in any quantity

To the western border? Well, yes, they will ... the problem is that this fuel (like everything else) is needed by the Armed Forces not there, but in the Donbass

[Tatyana]

Let me remind you how everything happened in 1945 in German cities. Power immediately passed under the jurisdiction of the military administration, which after a while was changed by civilians.

I also drew attention to the inadmissibility of the absence of a military administration with the participation of the RF Armed Forces after Russia liberated the cities of Ukraine from the Nazis.

And this miscalculation - in my opinion - is largely connected, firstly, with the absence of a state ideology in the country according to the Constitution of the Russian Federation. Resulting in Russian ideological education in the country has long been "sour", and with it political, economic, financial ... and military education too.
And secondly, this is due to the fact that, in fact, the STATE ideology in Russia still, as it were, unofficially exists and it has a pro-Western colonial character and a comprador orientation. Namely.

Such an ideology in the Russian Federation is doctrinaire ideology of the Chicago economist Milton Friedman, set forth in his book "Capitalism and Freedom" about the alleged existence in the world of an allegedly absolutely "free" and "pure" market for capital, goods and labor with its monetarism (i.e. the pursuit of financial profits). When public interests are trampled upon by financial interests.
Purpose of this american bluff is that sovereign countries, "native" to the United States, uncontrollably and duty-free on the part of their governments, erroneously freely and defenselessly from competition, open access to their domestic markets for US transnational companies for the sale of foreign goods and the purchase of "native" wealth by foreigners, enterprises and natural resources.
In this case, the reduction of native state property to the maximum - to "0" - is promoted by the "market people" exclusively as a public good.

All this ideology of Milton Friedman about the alleged existence of the so-called. "free" and "clean" market is ANARCHIST propaganda of the American establishment to decompose the national security of sovereign states to their complete liquidation and subordination of their resources in favor of US transnational companies.

This ideology must be abandoned!

Unfortunately, it is this ideology that has been unofficially adopted by the Russian ruling elite as a state ideology. It is implemented in practice by the government of the Russian Federation, the guarantor of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, in the State Duma and the Federation Council. And the HSE is a forge of young bourgeois cadres in this comprador economy and its apologists.
And there is no need to think that this somehow bypassed the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.

This is where all the half-heartedness in planning Russia's military operation to demilitarize and denazify Ukraine by Russia stems from.

[Reptiloid]

Quote: Tatiana

Let me remind you how everything happened in 1945 in German cities. Power immediately passed under the jurisdiction of the military administration, which after a while was changed by civilians.

I also drew attention to the inadmissibility of the absence of a military administration with the participation of the RF Armed Forces after Russia liberated the cities of Ukraine from the Nazis.

And this miscalculation - in my opinion - is largely connected, firstly, with the absence of a state ideology in the country according to the Constitution of the Russian Federation. As a result, [b] the Russian ideological education in the country "turned sour"..........

All this ideology of Milton Friedman about the alleged existence of the so-called. "free" and "clean" market [b]is ANARCHIST propaganda of the American .....

This ideology must be abandoned!

Unfortunately, it is this ideology that has been unofficially adopted by the Russian ruling elite as a state ideology. It is implemented in practice by the government of the Russian Federation, the guarantor of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, in the State Duma and the Federation Council. And the HSE is a forge of young bourgeois cadres in this comprador economy and its apologists.
And there is no need to think that this somehow bypassed the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.

This is where all the half-heartedness in planning Russia's military operation to demilitarize and denazify Ukraine by Russia stems from.

detailed explanation of all! Thank you Tatyana! I understand that.

halfness

How do you say. What we are seeing right now is half-heartedness. And it shouldn't be. Sitting on several chairs is not good.
It's time to remember that only the USSR defeated fascism, only the SOCIALIST USSR and no one else could carry out DENACIATION. It's time to end 30 years of lies about the USSR, socialism, communism. Only then everything will work out

[vlad106]

Sitting on several chairs is not good.
It's time to remember that only the USSR defeated fascism, only the SOCIALIST USSR and no one else could carry out DENACIATION. It's time to end 30 years of lies about the USSR,
"We can lose Ukraine again .."

No, really!
You can't lose Ukraine...
Bring the matter to its logical conclusion!

[skullcap]

Quote: vlad106

You can't lose Ukraine...
Bring the matter to its logical conclusion!

In my opinion, in addition to denazification, it is necessary that these lands return the old name - Little Russia.
Little Russia does not mean little Russia, but that Little Russia from which Great Russia grew.
At the verbal level, there is a split of a single people into different ones, if we are talking about Russians and Ukrainians. And it is a completely different matter if we are talking about Little Russians and Great Russians. There is an immediate sense of kinship here.

[Sergey Kuzmin]

"In my opinion, in addition to denazification, it is necessary that these lands return the old name - Little Russia." and also - NOVOROSSIYA ...

[Sergey Kuzmin]

"Sitting on several chairs is not good.
It's time to remember that fascism defeated only the USSR, ... "I agree with the author, but now what do we see? But we see the sad -
The fake directed against the Russian Armed Forces in the town of Bucha did not teach the current rulers of Russia anything?! They did not see what the abandonment of occupied territories leads to? Here, the double damage is quite obvious: discrediting, pouring false mud on the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and the second - a "click on the nose" of pro-Russian Ukrainians, resulting from the abandonment of occupied settlements: they say, look: Russian "denazifiers" will leave, and you, Ukrainians, will again be left alone one against the embittered armed Ukronazi Bandera. Personally, this is how I see the "consistency" of Putin's power in this matter. From shying back and forth, Putin's government runs the risk of losing not only its supporters in Ukraine, who hoped for the arrival of Russia, but also, in fact, within Russia itself. And the next presidential elections in Russia are just around the corner. https://ok.ru/ononamnuzh/topic/154019892269861

[Sunstorm]

Spent the USSR...and spent in Western Ukraine? As I understand it, the Nazis in Ukraine are not one of those that were amnestied by the Soviet leadership, no?

[Tatyana]

Quote: Reptiloid

What we are seeing right now is half-heartedness. And it shouldn't be. Sitting on several chairs is not good.
It's time to remember that only the USSR defeated fascism, only the SOCIALIST USSR and no one else could carry out DENACIATION. It's time to end 30 years of lies about the USSR, socialism, communism. Only then everything will work out

The fact is that the so-called. "market" ideology of M. Friedman, absolutizing market (bourgeois) relations as supposedly "ideally fair" in society, belittles the ORGANIZING role of the state, as such, GENERALLY - in principle (!) - as ANARCHISTS of all stripes have always propagandized and done, declaring that the state is an anachronism, that it will disappear and it does not need to be defended at all.
And since in the "market" theory the state does not need to be protected, then why create it anew?! Especially in the liberated territories of Ukraine! That is the question!

In this form, any such an ideology - with ANARCHIST (!) roots - necessarily works in favor of other countries - and Russia's victorious achievements in the battles in Ukraine and for the Liberation of Ukraine will flow from Russia's hands like clean water through their fingers!
Moreover, the "market people" in the financial and economic bloc of the Russian government have repeatedly stated earlier (the same Kudrin and his "curly guys") that there is no need to spend money on arming the RF Armed Forces! And as for the final results of the Russian operation to demilitarize and denazify Ukraine to create its own military administrations there, then according to their logic, and even more so! Those. not to give money to our liberal "market", pro-Western financial and economic bloc in the government of the Russian Federation for the Russian military administrations in Ukraine and save the state budget on this, then this is even more so!
After all, the military administrations in the Ukrainian territories liberated from the Nazis also require some funding! What the author rightly noted in his article.

All this bluff, scientifically untenable "market" ideology of M. Friedman is intended by Washington's financiers to fool the peoples and their rulers exclusively for export to "third" countries.
Putin understands this.
So, in order to maintain the viability of Russia, it will still have to be cleaned everywhere in the Russian Federation "from above" the ideological-"market" "Augean stables" that have not been cleaned for 30 years!
Chubais already understood this - and in time from Russia understanding!

[Reptiloid]

That's exactly what it is, dear Tatyana! Belittling the role of the state, excluding it from the main industrial, economic state programs, makes it impossible to develop, maintain, the Army, Medicine, Science, Education for the entire population of the country.
Now a unique situation has developed in Russia, when, by solving problems with Ukraine, it is possible and necessary to solve our own problems, eliminate mistakes, sabotage, sabotage .......

[Tatyana]

Quote: Reptiloid

Now a unique situation has developed in Russia, when, by solving problems with Ukraine, one can and should solve one's own problems, eliminate mistakes, sabotage, sabotage...

Dear Dmitry!
How wonderfully you put it and said it!
All this is exactly so!
Russia really has such a historic opportunity now. The main thing is not to miss it now!

[Reptiloid]

Quote: Tatiana

.....Russia really has such a historic opportunity now. The main thing is not to miss it now!

Tatyana, I really look forward to this opportunity coming true. And I'm very afraid that the opportunity will be
missed, won't happen now. In this case, liberalism will strengthen, intensify with all the ensuing consequences in politics, economics, education, medicine, housing and communal services, demography .... that is, destruction and impoverishment will be total

[Tatyana]

Agree with you!
This, of course, is not an easy matter - with certain comprehensive risks for the national security of Russia and the peoples of Russia, but the main thing is that the RF Armed Forces are on the Russian side, and not on the Western side!
According to wartime laws, no one from the Russian Defense Committee, which is to be created in Russia, will kiss the traitors of Russia, no matter what industry they are in, will be - with all the ensuing consequences!

[Reptiloid]

Quote: Tatiana

.... According to the laws of wartime, no one from the Russian Defense Committee, which is to be created in Russia, will kiss the traitors of Russia - with all the ensuing consequences!

Very good and correct the words!
After CO, things should be different than they are now.

[Alexander Ponamarev]

Top ten! Well done! For more than 30 years, they tried to convince us that the fish cannot rot from the head

[Sergey Kuzmin]

and who and where put the NOVOROSSIYA PROJECT? Everything was developed, it seems, back in 2014 ...

[Tatyana]

Quote: Sergey Kuzmin

and who and where put the NOVOROSSIYA PROJECT? Everything was developed, it seems, back in 2014 ...

Because it was impossible for Russia to listen to the Ukrainian oligarch Akhmetov. Namely.
Akhmetov needed to keep his metallurgical business intact in 2014 - Azovstal, the port in Mariupol, the coal mining business in the Donbass. He took the position of "both ours and yours" during the "Russian Spring in the Donbass" Germany wanted to grab coal mining in the Donbass. Americans, British and Poles - the oil business.
In general, they all deceived Putin. But Putin does not rule alone! His hands are short against our financial and economic block in the government of the Russian Federation and in the Central Bank of Russia. as long as the country, one way or another, will dominate the "market" ideology of M. Fridman with its monetarism, which is based everywhere on compradorism and corruption, as an unofficial state ideology.

And now the same Akhmetov is going to file a lawsuit against Russia in an international court to compensate him for the damages for the destroyed Azovstal and its entire infrastructure, together with the Mariupol port, i.e. for the destruction of his steel business during the military operation by the armed forces of the Russian Federation.
And it immediately becomes clear what Akhmetov has been guided by all these years since 2014. He was not an ideological Russophile, but simply a spontaneously compelled business partner in politics for Russia.
By the way, by nationality, he is the same redhead as Chubais.

Ideology is very important! It lays in a person's worldview a certain system of values ​​as a program of his social behavior in society - like a computer program in a computer, from which he can hardly move away if there is no virus.

[ivan2022]

I read on the APN - Sevro-Zapad website that the railway from Lviv to Kyiv is working and all trains are running. Maybe they will take you to the Donbass. By the way, you can check it, go to the website of Ukrainian railways. They write that there are no tickets through the Network, but you can buy at the box office.

[Repellent]

Quote: ivan2022

the railway from Lvov to Kyiv works and all trains run. Maybe they will take you to the Donbass

This hat you (or not you, it doesn't matter) already posted here a couple of days ago.

The joke is that since then, three junction stations on the road to Donbass - Sinelnikovo, Pavlograd, Lozovaya - have been attacked by the Russian Aerospace Forces. In order to just prevent transportation from Kyiv to the Donbass. Like this

[Sergey Kuzmin]

the joke is that the Russian Aerospace Forces do not strike on the roads near Lvov ... this is what we are talking about. For understanding: the distance from those places where the junction stations were destroyed to the Donbass is 100-150 km. Military equipment will overcome this distance under its own power in 4-5 hours. And the distance from Lviv to Donbass is more than a thousand kilometers, and even more to the border with Poland. The logical conclusion is to destroy the railways near Poland so that there are no arms supplies from there. And if there are deliveries, then let the equipment go under its own power for a thousand kilometers, burn fuel, wear out mechanisms, and which will reach under its own power to a distance accessible to attack helicopters - let it be subjected to pinpoint strikes by helicopters. It seems that there is nothing difficult in understanding this issue - the destruction of railways near the borders and in the vicinity of Lviv - no. This would save many lives, both civilians and military people. And it would have thwarted the plans of the United States and NATO to organize the mutual destruction of the Slavs.

[Repellent]

Quote: Sergey Kuzmin

the joke is that the Russian Aerospace Forces do not strike on the roads near Lvov ... this is what we are talking about. For understanding

Wow. I know not in words what technique is on the march. My tank burned down from this, not mine, but subordinate to me at that time. For example. In Gorokhovets, in peacetime

Quote: Sergey Kuzmin

It seems that there is nothing difficult in understanding this issue - the destruction of railways near the borders and in the vicinity of Lviv - no. This would save many lives, both civilians and military people.

Neither you nor I have the information that is in the General Staff. It is up to them to decide, and we (me - that's for sure) have only to observe what is happening.

[paul3390]

Of course they don't. Tell me - HOW can the thesis about the type of denazification of Ukraine and the statement about the absence of plans for its occupation coexist in one head ?? Who, then, will denazify it and how - if there are neither our troops nor our administration? Banderlogs themselves?

[AdAstra]

Well, someone somehow means they can.

[_simply]

To be fair, it's worth understanding the definitions. We can occupy and we won't. Rather, we will gently annex it... With the permission of the people.

[stan200000]

Russia will never leave there again and will not give this territory to anyone. But our registration will not be there, but only temporary registration - for 200 years)

[Flooding]

Quote: Jura 27

when the Ukrainian troops will stand at the walls of the Kremlin and will have to declare a third patriotic war

a western draft blew

[soul]

Quote: Flood

a western draft blew

It did not stop - almost the entire pro-Western part of the leadership remained in place. Or do you think that they have changed dramatically?

[Flooding]

Quote: alma

It did not stop - almost the entire pro-Western part of the leadership remained in place

but I'm not talking about leadership
I'm talking about a comment (see above)

Until now, it never occurred to anyone even as a joke to write about "Ukrainian troops near the walls of the Kremlin"

I look, they have already begun to feed readers and this, for starters

and the critics are happy. they do not understand whose mill they are pouring water on.

[Woodman]

Quote: Flood

I look, they have already begun to feed readers and this, for starters

It started three or four days ago...

[ALARI]

Can you tell me who poured the first bucket and into whose mill? I’ll give you a hint at the negotiations, after which our troops, to put it mildly, left the occupied territories. Are you fighting or what? If started.

[Flooding]

Quote: ALARI

Advise in negotiations

you have to be responsible for yourself
more demand from Medina
with us - less
but no one should hide behind someone's backs
"Maryivanna it was he who first started!"

so don't blame others
this habit does not go hand in hand with responsibility
it's more about irresponsibility

and the thoughtless words of Medinsky do not in the least justify those who raise waves of discontent in society

those who do not think about the guys on the front line and engage in narcissism on the forum

[ALARI]

We all in one way or another engage in narcissism here on the forum, for this it exists, someone shows his mind, someone shows his wit and sophistry, someone his stupidity. Here Medinsky raised a wave of discontent in society - this is one thing, someone else asks him and to the one who sent him there, is it different in your opinion? There would be no wave if the government and society had a single policy. And then the politicians blurted out something without thinking, and the society is to blame.

[Flooding]

Quote: ALARI

We all do self-admiration in one way or another here on the forum.

and someone else did not understand that the time for narcissism ended on February 24

Quote: ALARI

politicians blurted out something without thinking, and society is to blame

distort
I don't blame society

I blame very specific citizens who want to impose their moods on society.
who want to make society moan and sob to their arrangement.

and also I blame those irresponsible citizens who are subject to this influence and easily follow his lead.

[ALARI]

No one forces you to moan and sob, but questions to specific people on whom politics and the economy in the country depend must be asked. And then they begin to confuse their interests and the interests of the state. One example of what Abramovich did during the negotiations? He who? It has its own interests. Nabiullina didn’t know what she thought when she left billions in the West? If so, then the operation began from the floundering bay, but this is not so. And there have been a lot of such questions for more than a month. And there are no answers, as it is.

[Flooding]

Quote: ALARI

No one makes you moan and sob, but questions to specific people on which politics and the economy in the country depend must be asked

For a strange reason, you immediately associated yourself with those whom I accuse. But this is your right.

One must know the right time, place and measure in everything.
A simple example.
Wouldn't you discuss your problems with someone who wants to harm you?
Of course not.
And with those who are unable to give you advice because of their stupidity or lack of experience? Also no!
And will you take personal out of the hut? A thousand times no!
And knowing that your personal can disturb loved ones in one way or another, will you subject them to unrest? Think ten times.

You see how many conditions and completely natural obligations are imposed on us by ordinary everyday problems.

But here, when discussing the problems of society and the state, many do not notice and do not want to notice any conditions.

This is the problem as I see it.
You need to understand with whom and what you are discussing.
And what are the consequences of these discussions.
And who will use these consequences to their advantage.
This is doubly and triple relevant in the current situation around Russia.

[Flooding]

How does the throw-in system work?

The general background changes gradually.
Because a seditious thought will immediately be received with hostility by the majority.
The degree of sedition must be raised gradually, probing the reaction and giving time to get used to the "new thought", "accept it".

After the attack by Ukrainian helicopters on the Belgorod fuel and lubricant base, a "thought" flashed: Shoigu and Putin should resign (!)
Idiocy?
Yes, outspoken.
But this is precisely how moods are felt and those that are useful to external forces are instilled.

Quote: Jura 27

When it reaches everyone that Putinism cannot create anything normal, it cannot even fight in a normal way, not to mention some kind of normal life in the liberated territories.
Probably when the Ukrainian troops will stand at the walls of the Kremlin and will have to declare a third patriotic war.

Excuse me, how can this "comment" be called if not outright propaganda?

"Putinism" is flowers
already used to this word
although in tough times and chatter bills need to be set tougher

I am writing this to you as a person who is not a "zaputin", but who understands that everything has its time and place

but only the most repulsed Bandera and Ukrainian "statesmen" could still say about the Ukrainian troops in Moscow!

and now, these words are here, on the Military Review.
And what do you think?
Breaking the applause.

Is this stupidity? Or something worse?
People, are you out of your mind?
Criticism for the sake of criticism?
Are you really unable to comprehend that the army needs support? That, by sowing distrust in the leadership of the country and the army, you are acting in the interests of the enemy?

That the fighters of the Ukrainian information front are adding fuel to the fire at this very forum?
Just in the expectation that you will pick up and multiply?

Maybe someone does not understand this or came to collect pluses. Surely there are some.
But I really hope that the majority of commentators are conscious comrades.

[Ka-52]

you understand that all this liberal party has not gone away. After 24.02. she hid, because she understands that one is bored and you can be in front of the camera. Which will have to apologize for disrespect for the armed forces of the Russian Federation. But now they will try to shake up any imaginary and obvious failures of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation (victories of the Armed Forces of Ukraine) as an attempt to transform the situation in Russia along the lines of 1905.

[Flooding]

During and after the Civil War, many white officers found the courage and honesty to understand that the interests of the Motherland were higher than their own political convictions.

And these opposition-liberal citizens, who have mellowed with Bandera in many chat rooms and in many forums, can only be called traitors.

[Deck]

found the courage and honesty to understand that the interests of the Motherland are above their own political convictions.

As time has shown, the "interests of the Motherland" turned out to be the interests of a handful of emigrants, many of whom turned out to be enemies and were shot in the 30s. As well as Mr. Ulyanov, the fruits of whose activities we are reaping at the present time, as Putier V.V. correctly noted. So be careful with labeling.

[Flooding]

Quote: Deck

As time has shown, the "interests of the Motherland" turned out to be the interests of a handful of emigrants, many of whom turned out to be enemies and were shot in the 30s.

different time we are watching
it shows me something completely different.
probably depends on what we want to see

the interests of the Motherland cannot be quoted under any circumstances
because they are objective and exist independently of a single person and his worldview

[kot711]

X. And also Mr. Ulyanov, the fruits of whose activities we are reaping at the present time, as Putier V.V. correctly noted. ,,
You forgot to mention the Pechenegs with the Polovtsy (these are in galoshes). And do not forget to repent for the Poles. You don’t correspond with rut from urengoy?

[Alexey RA]

Quote: kot711

You forgot to mention the Pechenegs with the Polovtsy (these are in galoshes). And do not forget to repent for the Poles. You don’t correspond with rut from urengoy?

Is there really nothing to answer? Or did the Pechenegs and Polovtsy impose on the USSR a national-territorial division with sovereign Soviet republics? And, by the way, shock violent Ukrainization of the lands torn off from Russia is also the idea of ​​the VIL.

Fourthly, it is necessary to introduce the strictest rules regarding the use of the national language in the republics of other nationalities that are part of our union, and check these rules with particular care. There is no doubt that under the pretext of the unity of the railway service, under the pretext of unity of the fiscal, etc., in our modern apparatus, a mass of abuses of a truly Russian nature will penetrate. To combat these abuses, special ingenuity is required, not to mention the special sincerity of those who undertake such a struggle.

© VIL. On the question of nationalities or "autonomization".
I'm not talking about Vladimir Ilyich's Russophobia, for whom a Russian bureaucrat = a Russian person. Who was there to say a truly Russian person, a Great Russian chauvinist, in essence, a scoundrel and a rapist, which is a typical Russian bureaucrat?

And what about galoshes... did you try to watch the whole performance, and not clips for those who watch more than 30 seconds - is it already overwhelming work?

[Deck]

You don’t correspond with rut from urengoy?

Are you now the Supreme Commander-in-Chief with ruts from Urengoy, put on the same board?

[Monster fat]

Ukraine has long been lost. Back in 2014-2015, when the Russian spring was "leaked". Then everything itself "went into hands", but other interests and a different opinion prevailed. Now, after all this blood, there will be no turning back at all. From the word "completely". We are reaping the fruits of the ingenious HSP and that pink picture that helpful sycophants of all stripes drew about the success of the start of this operation. And now everyone will have to deal with the consequences - some in the "palaces" under the protection of the Russian Guard, others in human cases, counting pennies from their salaries and wondering if they can last until next month.

[Vend]

In my opinion, a provocative article.

Let me remind you how everything happened in 1945 in German cities. Power immediately passed under the jurisdiction of the military administration, which after a while was changed by civilians. So the father of one of my acquaintances, an engineer who came to the German city of Sonneberg in Thuringia to restore a local factory there, ended up in the position of head of the civil administration.

Let me also note that the restoration began after the Victory, before that no one restored the city. The Red Army created military commandant's offices and went further, to finish off the fascist beast.

[prior]

We can lose Ukraine again

But was she or became ours in order to lose?!

[avia12005]

All these and many other issues need and can be solved in only one way: by changing or appointing normal managers to the Ukrainian direction. For the situation in the liberated and liberated territory, ONE person should be responsible with the rank of at least a separate new vice-premier of the Russian government, who has his own apparatus at his disposal and has full powers. Otherwise, good luck to us, that is, victory is not to be seen.

[MrFYGY]

There are no other managers.

[papas-57]

"All these and many other issues need and can be solved in only one way: by changing or appointing normal managers to the Ukrainian direction." And where to get them for Ukraine if Russia is in short supply.

[Scientist]

Not the vice-premier, but the governor-general. After the war, the Banderaites were not caught for ten years to the end (and after the amnesty they simply stopped), why will it be different now.

[Gardamir]

Everything will be much easier. Dozhmut up to the administrative borders of 2014, well, they will leave Kherson for themselves And they will intensively begin to conclude peace treaties. That alone will mean surrender. Well, the main thing is to keep the power. In two years the elections again 70% will "vote".

[Destroyer]

Everything will be decided in the next month or two. Will be real, not
On TV, there will be successes and the administrative borders of the DPR and LPR. There will be big, significant successes - Maybe Kherson, maybe something else. If, as before and as now, nothing will happen. The soldiers will go home.

[Aleksandr21]

Talk about civil administrations remained just talk

Because there are no such tasks (most likely), in the territories of the LPR and DPR (administrative border) - the question was given to the leadership of Donetsk and Luhansk, but regarding the territory of Ukraine, it is clear that we will not take these territories under our administrative control, and after the special operation we will return everything to the rightful owner (i.e. Ukraine), and those administrations that cooperate with us, this is a temporary measure ...

This is the most realistic option. otherwise, the organization and creation of civil administration would be at a different level + the legislative base would be prepared, but it is not.

Run out of fuel, shells, tanks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the world will come.

When the shells run out, they will ask for a humanitarian corridor - they will go through it to the controlled territory of Ukraine, and there there will be enough weapons and shells (from Western friends) for several more years, taking into account what has already been delivered and what is constantly coming .... with equipment and fuel it is more difficult , but if the Armed Forces of Ukraine with the Nazis repeat Mariupol in other cities, then this is for a long time.


In general, of course, the excessive humanism of the RF Ministry of Defense amazes me, especially in Mariupol ... how many humanitarian corridors have already been opened there during all this time? And every time, the last time (s).

[Aleksandr21]

I’ll add more about civil administrations ... if we need the South-East of Ukraine (no matter in what format), then we need to decide now and start acting, because local authorities should work on some kind of legislative basis, but now it’s not clear whose territory and what we want from it .... ideally, the President of the Russian Federation should sign a decree (or law) on the temporary administration of the occupied territories and extend Russian legislation to these areas ... (+ probably pass through the Federation Council and the State Duma, if that requires legislation) and even then the matter will get off the ground, and then hold a referendum on secession from Ukraine and decide the fate ....

And if we don’t have such a task, then we can do nothing, conduct an NVO and return everything back to the Nazis .... so the choice is up to the President.

[Stas]

The author's article turned out to be contradictory in my opinion. If I agree with the main part, then the last paragraph and in particular the sentence is puzzling. And what about the new Ukraine? It shouldn't be on the map anymore. Let there be Novorossia, Little Russia, Russia, but not Ukraine. From Ukraine, the Anglo-Saxons created a fascist state that has no right to exist. In this case, either Russia or Ukraine will remain. Otherwise, there will be constant squabbling, as between India and Pakistan, but do we need it?

[Far B]

I would like to see the representatives of the Russian authorities at least a minimal understanding of what is happening

I have been wanting this for thirty-odd years, from the humpback construction. I want and I want, but at the exit - zilch. There is no understanding. And there is an understanding that there will be no understanding any more - from these guys. Because they generally have some kind of their own, parallel Russia, in which in general everything is nishtyak, only the middle class 70 percent of the population. In their Russia, beets are harvested, and chickens are milked with bucket milk, and plants with factories that have no analogues open daily, and the special operation is going according to plan ... So, I’m afraid, one can’t even dream of any understanding of what is happening in Ukraine, since these the very "representatives of the Russian authorities" have no idea even about what is happening in Russia.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Dalny V

So, I'm afraid, one can't even dream of any understanding of what is happening in Ukraine, since these same "representatives of the Russian authorities" have no idea even about what is happening in Russia.

well, after Peskov did not believe that in many families (according to Rosgosstrakh life) people live with an average per capita income of 15 thousand rubles per person (this is if, say, both parents together earn 45 tr. and they have one child), then what else to talk about?

[Woodman]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

well, after Peskov did not believe that in many families

Just out of curiosity, where can I see this? It just somehow passed me by, this is the first time I hear from you.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Literally, Peskov said this:

“I would answer carefully here. We do not know the calculation methodology or other criteria. The sample is far from the largest. It can be said unambiguously that it is incorrect to draw conclusions at the federal level on the basis of such a sample "

Topvar kills comments with external links, but if you copy the phrase into the search engine, there will be a lot of links :)

[Woodman]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

Topwar kills comments with external links

In a personal, of course, not fate ...)
But "Peskov did not believe" and "it is not correct to draw conclusions based on such a sample" are phrases that are different in meaning.
And Peskov, as a high-ranking official, cannot but know how many families have the status of "poor." And this status is assigned only if the income is less than the subsistence level for each family member. And PM, in turn, in Russia is less than 15000 rubles.
But I still followed your advice. And found. It's just that it's not talking about

45% of citizens live on a salary of no more than 15 thousand rubles, according to a joint study of the insurance company Rosgosstrakh Zhizn and the scientific and technical center Perspektiva

You managed to confuse everything that is possible in your comment, while retaining the ultimate essence of the question) Talent, however)
By the way, there are people who doubt the work of the CEC, and not just the work of some questionnaires. You don't obstruct their doubts, do you? And then Peskov allowed himself to doubt the survey of Rosgosstrakh (just one of many insurance companies) and the Perspektiva center, which, for example, I hear about for the first time. Two years ago. And you immediately

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

what else to talk about?

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Lesovik

You managed to confuse everything that is possible in your comment

Well, let's sort out who messed up what.

Quote: Lesovik

But I still followed your advice. And found.

Judging by the fact that you "found" you banned by Google.
We open the note "Peskov appreciated the study on the growth in the number of Russians with monthly income below 15 thousand rubles" and read

Press Secretary of the President of Russia Dmitry Peskov commented on the study, which reported that the share of Russians living on 15 thousand rubles a month, increased.

And here, in fact, that study in graphic form

More questions?

Quote: Lesovik

And Peskov, as a high-ranking official, cannot but know how many families have the status of "poor"

As you can see, he doesn't know.

[Woodman]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

figure out who messed up what.

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

having an average per capita income of 15 thousand rubles per person (this is if, say, both parents together earn 45 thousand rubles in their hands and they have one child)

and 45% of citizens live on a salary of no more than 15 thousand rubles, according to a joint study of the Rosgosstrakh Zhizn insurance company and the Perspektiva scientific and technical center, conducted in June

Well, here is the first of the category who messed up. Per capita income and wages are two different things.

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

Peskov did not believe that in many families

Well, actually the second thing - I already told you above. Peskov expressed doubts about the quality of the poll. He didn't say a word about salary or per capita income. With the same success it can be argued that "Peskov did not believe" because the salary is even lower.

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

Judging by the fact that you "found" you banned by Google.

From the principle I use Yandex. But a couple of bourgeois sites really banned me. The best proof that I spent the last month online not in vain)

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

As you can see, he doesn't know.

Mdya ... But for me, Peskov's doubts about who knows what polls and questionnaires are completely justified. For example, a certain local character with the nickname of a pagan god, before any election, said that he conducted polls in his environment and they, they say, never coincided with the election results. Will you reproach me if I doubt that the results of his polls need to be extrapolated to the whole country? I don't think so. But you reproach Peskov for the same doubts ...
For me, you just hear only what you want to hear ... Well, or whatever Google whispers ...

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Lesovik

Well, here is the first of the category who messed up. Per capita income and wages are two different things.

I wrote

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

after Peskov did not believe that in many families (according to Rosgosstrakh life) people live with an average per capita income of 15 thousand rubles per person

We read in syllables. WEDNESDAY-DOU-SH-HOI DO-STROKE
We read the study of Rossgosstrakh
"How have the DO-HO-DY of Russians changed due to the pandemic"
Finally, we open the explanations of Rosgosstrakh itself. The article "IC" Rosgosstrakh Life "commented on the results of a sociological survey about the dynamics of the income of Russians"

1. Under average monthly income understood by the respondent income (not earnings) per month per family member. Thus, speaking about the figure of 15 thousand rubles, the respondent could mean the income received by the sole breadwinner of the family, divided by all members of his family (unemployed spouse, children, elderly parents).

What do you write?

Quote: Lesovik

45% of citizens live on a salary of no more than 15 thousand rubles,

The question is - who and what messed up here? :)

Quote: Lesovik

Mdya ... And for me, Peskov's doubts in relation to unknown polls and questionnaires are fully justified.

And in my opinion, Peskov should have known that the median salary in 2020, when the survey was done, in the Russian Federation was 32,4 thousand rubles. on hand 28,2 thousand. Half of Russians get less.

Quote: Lesovik

For example, a certain local character with the nickname of a pagan god, before any election, said that he conducted polls in his environment and they, they say, never coincided with the election results. Will you reproach me if I doubt that the results of his polls need to be extrapolated to the whole country? I don't think so.

I just know how elections are held, and therefore I tell you - a local character with the nickname of a pagan god is right :)

[Woodman]

As I understand it, we have a conversation between the blind and the deaf ...

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

I just know how elections are held

Yeah, I didn't quite pass by either...

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

and therefore I tell you - a local character with the nickname of a pagan god is right :)

And that is why I have reason to trust neither this "character" nor, as it turns out, you in this question)

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Lesovik

As I understand it, we have a conversation between the blind and the deaf ...

Agas. Will there be objections on the merits of the issues raised? I remind you that the thesis of Peskov's ignorance of the fact that a large number of families in the Russian Federation have an average per capita income below 15 thousand rubles was discussed. per month in 2020
Yes, by the way, you wrote something about the poverty line ... the data is true not for 2020, but for 2021, but still

Rosstat presented data on the number of Russians living below the poverty line, based on a new calculation method. According to new data, according to the results of the third quarter, the number of Russians living below the poverty line amounted to 16 million people (11% of the population), which is 2,8 million people less than in the second quarter. At the end of nine months of 2021, 12,1% of the population, or 17,6 million people, were outside the poverty line in Russia.

Rosstat tied the poverty line in January-September to income of 12 rubles. per month for the working-age population, 770 rubles. for pensioners and 9727 11 rubles. for kids.

That is, in our country, quite officially, 12% of the population sits on incomes much lower than 12 thousand rubles. We're talking about 15.

Quote: Lesovik

And that's why I have reason to trust

Lesovik, questions of faith are sacred to me, you have the right to believe what you want. There are figures, there are facts that I cited above. And these figures are deeply violet, whether you believe in them or not.

[Woodman]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

I remind you that the thesis of Peskov's ignorance of the fact that a large number of

Oh, well ... I thought we would end there ... I remind you - Peskov did not touch these figures in a word. Peskov questioned the quality of the survey.

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

You wrote something about the poverty line ...

I wrote about the living wage. Don't attribute to me what I didn't say.

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

That is, in our country, quite officially, 12% of the population sits on incomes much lower than 12 thousand rubles

And he receives assistance from the state, having the status of the poor. Many, by the way, having an income (per capita) above the PM, go to various tricks in order to obtain this status and, accordingly, increase their incomes at the expense of state payments. Just do not think that I blame them - just stating the facts.
Is there anything else you don't understand?

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Lesovik

I remind you that Peskov did not mention these figures in a word. Peskov questioned the quality of the survey.

Sorry, but you are now writing complete nonsense from the point of view of formal logic
You claim that Peskov owns the numbers. And there is a survey of Rosgosstrakh with numbers.
If the poll is false, then Peskov, having the correct numbers, can refute it
If the poll is correct, then Peskov, having the correct numbers, cannot doubt him
There is simply no other option. For there is no point in doubting a poll if you know for sure that it is true or false. But Peskov DOES NOT KNOW the numbers - that's why he doubts.

Quote: Lesovik

I wrote about the living wage. Don't attribute to me what I didn't say.

You simply do not understand what you are writing about, which you have confirmed once again. The subsistence level is DIRECTLY LINKED to the poverty line, because low-income families are defined by incomes below the subsistence level. No. 44-FZ to help you.

Quote: Lesovik

And he receives assistance from the state, having the status of the poor.

And many - do not receive, because they do not know what they are supposed to.

Quote: Lesovik

Many, by the way, having an income (per capita) above the PM, go to various tricks in order to obtain this status and, accordingly, increase their incomes at the expense of state payments.

Yes, someone does. And what do you think, is there a large proportion of those who hide their income in order to receive benefits?

[Woodman]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

There is simply no other option.

As you can see, Peskov found him.

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

You simply do not understand what you are writing about, which you have confirmed once again.

I just said that it is not necessary to modify my words.

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

And many do not receive, because they do not know

Do you know such people? And I don't know. There are certain, specific types of payments and assistance that you really can not know about. But this does not apply to the poor.

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

Yes, someone does. And what do you think, is the proportion of those who hide

I didn't conduct surveys, but among my acquaintances there are enough of them. And I didn't say they were "hiding", no. They go for tricks.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Lesovik

As you can see, Peskov found him.

We see only one thing: your explanations of Peskov's actions do not stand up to criticism.

Quote: Lesovik

I just said that it is not necessary to modify my words.

I understand that you are not able to find fault with my words in essence, so you are trying to find fault with the form. Alas, again past, because my wording does not at all distort what you said.

Quote: Lesovik

Do you know such people? And I don't know.

You don't know, but Rosstat knows. And it does not use the lists of families receiving benefits when determining the number of poor people.

[Woodman]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

You don't know, but Rosstat knows.

Those. you don't know either. Why drag Rosstat here? And it is unlikely that Rosstat has information about whether someone knows about what he is supposed to or does not know. Rosstat simply does not operate with such concepts.

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

Your explanations of Peskov's actions do not hold water

But yours just show that you

Quote: Lesovik

just hear what you want to hear...

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

I understand that you are not able to find fault with my words in essence, so you are trying to find fault with the form.

In the future, so that there are no omissions, if you please use such a function as quoting, and not invent phrases for your opponent. Then you don't have to think about nit-picking.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Lesovik

Those. you don't know either. Why drag Rosstat here?

:))) When I write to you

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

That is, in our country, quite officially, 12% of the population sits on incomes much lower than 12 thousand rubles.

You answer

Quote: Lesovik

And he receives assistance from the state, having the status of the poor. Many, by the way, having an income (per capita) above the PM, go to various tricks in order to obtain this status and, accordingly, increase their incomes at the expense of state payments.

That is, from your words, it turns out that all the poor receive subsidies, and many receive subsidies, even if they are not poor :)))
Well, Rosstat doesn't think so. And it measures the number of the poor not by the statistics of those registered as such, but by ... surveys of the population. The sample, however, is significantly larger than that of Rosgosstrakh.

Quote: Lesovik

But yours just show that you

Alas, your version is not supported by either numbers or logic, and no matter how much you say "halvah", it will not be sweeter in your mouth .. So I will leave the readers to judge who is right in this small dispute.

Quote: Lesovik

In the future, so that there are no omissions, if you please use such a function as quoting, and not invent phrases for your opponent.

I wrote

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

By the way, you wrote something about the poverty line ...

referring to your phrase

Quote: Lesovik

And Peskov, as a high-ranking official, cannot but know how many families have the status of "poor." And this status is assigned only if the income is less than the subsistence level for each family member. And PM, in turn, in Russia is less than 15000 rubles.

Specify what specifically was invented for you

[AdAstra]

It was, he said.

[Reptiloid]

But there are people who do not have these 15000 per person, but Peskov probably does not suggest this. Although the arithmetic mean can be formed by very different numbers.

by the end of 2021, 16 million Russians, or 11% of the population,
had incomes below the poverty line ....... The poverty line is the amount of 11908 rubles. This concept has recently been used to measure the number of poor people.

Rosstat.

[ALARI]

https://vk.com/@topwar-preview-320692896-887814601 это статья от 2020 тут на ВО. Думаю за 2 года кардинально ничего не поменялось.

[Woodman]

Quote: ALARI

I don't think much has changed in 2 years.

Thanks. Just above, I expressed my opinion on this issue.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: ALARI

this is an article from 2020 here on VO

Since when I wrote this article? Essentially, nothing.

[ada]

... If it doesn't exist, there won't be a new Ukraine either.

Well, of course it won’t be like that, the consolidated West fattened it not for the people of Ukraine, they take care of themselves. What do you want them to stop? Are there prerequisites for this? If until 2014 more "peaceful" options were assumed for NATO forces to occupy this critically important bridgehead for them, then recently, with the development of their success in preparing a major conflict in Europe and a sharp increase in crisis phenomena in the global economy, adverse changes in the balance forces for the United States and the World Bank, for Ukraine, and the "great honor" fell out to perish for their ideals. What, they didn't ask for this? Understanding, yes it will come, is possible, for those who remain alive. So far, most of the processes are going approximately in line with what the West intended, if not fully in accordance with their planning, then only because the time for preparing a controlled LC (local conflict) was sharply cut off by the desperate decision of our president on the NWO, not having enough time to preparation. In none of the variants of the LK, developed before 2014, and even more so after, there was no place for the "happy life" of the people of Ukraine - it is occupied and they will not give it up without a fight. This is understanding, you need to prepare.

[Oorfene Juice and his wooden soldiers]

Everything is going according to the plan of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief, as he himself publicly said.

[parusnik]

I want to remind you how everything was in Crimea after the annexation. What landings were sent there by all authorities

... I took part in one of these landings. On my own line, I spent four months there. I also had to deal with criminals - such as "Cossacks" and sabotage, but military operations were not conducted and this was only in one city.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: parusnik

I also had to deal with crime

And an example of "collision" with criminals is shown in the series "Liquidation". No need to assume that criminals have nine lives, like a cat. And it must be perceived in accordance with the law on banditry, and not on petty hooliganism ... Destroy the halo of some kind of heroism with automatic bursts and pistol shots. Stop playing democracy. Something the example of criminal revolutions has become contagious.

[AdAstra]

not the 37th we have, unfortunately. And the country is not called the USSR.

[kig]

Even reluctant to read, the title was enough. Your mother, did someone really hope to save Ukraine after all this?

[MrFYGY]

Recent events show that it will persist and strike back.
They beat for weakness.

[Adrey]

Quote: MrFYGY

Recent events show that it will persist and strike back.
They beat for weakness.

And I think much faster than many people think. Rolled back to their borders with the Chernihiv and Sumy regions? Will they even leave cover at the border? Ukrainians have 10 days to regroup, develop a plan, and you can try. Our main forces will leave for the Donbass.

[AdAstra]

They beat you for stupidity.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

I would like to see representatives of the Russian authorities at least a minimal understanding of what is happening.

Dreaming....

[AdAstra]

And why can’t you dream anymore?) (Although there’s not much fun)

[MrFYGY]

Now the Ukrainians will attack the Russian Federation from the "liberated" territories.

[Nikolay Malyugin]

Wherever our country fought, our army was accompanied by citizens of the country that was liberated. And then the Red Army is a completely different army, where the junior officer knew what to do on the liberated land. Mat. They used to give a deadline, like petty hooliganism. But here "Leningrad" sang the song "Our Elite", and everyone clap their hands together. Thus, our gopota is good. And here's another ... Everything that happens must be attributed to 1991. Otherwise it won't work.

[Ross xnumx]

I get the impression that the Kremlin has no real idea of ​​what needs to be done.

I got this impression after the negotiations between Medinsky and Abramovich with representatives of the Nazi Ukrainian authorities.
Today, various statements are being declared against Russia, and I do not see the president's reaction to this political lawlessness.
The special operation began to resemble a war that the West is waging with THEIR lethal weapons at the hands of the Nazis of Ukraine, and with economic sanctions, seeking to destroy and destroy the Russian economy.
In such a situation, it is no longer possible to lead an idle life like:

The enemy will see that the capital
Eat and drink and be merry...
- He will tremble with fear!
- Will run without looking back!

It is better to prepare in advance than to receive sickle blows at causal places afterward.
I have already reminded about the introduction of martial law in the areas of direct proximity to Ukraine.
But today there was information about the surrender of Azov fighters (from the territory of Azovstal), who "will be released home" ...
So explain, where does such confidence come from that thugs, whose hands are up to the elbows in blood, will SUDDENLY take monastic vows?
The American representative proposes to exclude Russia from the UN Security Council on human rights...
Only political scientists and program presenters are on the screens. explaining something, but not having any authority...
To achieve a goal, you need to clearly understand the ways and methods of achieving it ... As long as Russia continues to sponsor the Russophobia of the West ...

[Mikhail Sidorov]

The issue of humanitarian aid has been circulating for a long time. Here is Roman's answer.

[Mikhail Sidorov]

We can lose Ukraine again

with such leaders, we are more likely to lose Russia.

[Monster fat]

And this is where it goes. Really. Moreover, the loss in Ukraine will be tantamount to the collapse of Russia. The people will then finally turn away from the government, which started all this without foreseeing the consequences and where it all will lead.

[igorra]

Yes, because cancer, swan and pike are at the top. The state machine is inflexible. Someone is for the preservation of Ukraine, someone is for Novorossiya and Little Russia, and still others are for the annihilation of Ukraine. Plus all sorts of groups catching their interests in the troubled waters of war, as was the case with Mariupol in 14. Plus, Putin, with his maniacal faith in his people, he has such a fad - not to punish his own, even if they have harmed Russia. Yes, and we see from our hearth and are better informed than the government and are ready to give advice. Can wait and then only give their assessments.
P.S. And most importantly, why no one suspects that sabotage is possible. Given that the majority of officials and even those in uniform have real estate and funds abroad, it will not be difficult to put pressure on this or that.

[Gvardeetz77]

Quote: igorra

The state machine is inflexible. Someone is for the preservation of Ukraine, someone is for Novorossiya and Little Russia, and still others are for the annihilation of Ukraine.

In this case, starting something cardinal is a pure adventure! Probably, first in a team you need to make either all swans, or crayfish, or pikes, and only then go?

[Nikolay Malyugin]

The betrayal in the Katyn case will hang like a curse on us. Everywhere we have to make excuses. \ ideology was built back in the 90s. Red regions appeared, where the leaders were communists. Pensioners in these regions did not receive pensions. The country was pulled out by shuttles. Thanks to them for this .What can we offer to the inhabitants of the liberated lands? Religion? She is exactly the same. Again, turn around as best you can. And survive as best you can. The most difficult battles for Donbass are ahead. There is a very dense grouping of Ukrainian troops. It is necessary to reinforce the Donbass police with our forces. A breakthrough is undesirable, but it is possible.

[ivan2022]

About 07. 21.
Everything seems to be clear. The main thing is that the communists do not come to power in the localities. After all, then the government will not pay anyone a federal pension ... And what to live on?

[Ludmila Strogova]

Who lied once, who will believe you! So God said! How was it possible to publicly announce denazification, say this to whom in the main, for whom the state exists and what are the priorities of the state? Your people or will the West like you when selling gas? all the people stood up for the President, and denazification immediately renders this agreement with the Nazis, this is not their removal from power, but it turns out to be agreement with them on the level of its nationalism, it can be considered that a little lower and good! The main thing is to continue transferring state money to the Angor-Saxons! And the fact that they went into the cities and showed the people of Ukraine how we can be good and immediately substitute these people for the Nazis, how is this one? This is nothing but a betrayal! How can you promise and quit? What do you not know how temporary managers were appointed in the Second World War? Or, again, they didn’t get rid of the Nazis in the negotiations, how can this be done so that they like it?

[faiver]

I don’t observe the logic of the Kremlin’s actions and it scares

[Detnix]

What was once?

[El13]

I agree, it’s scary, but if in 20 years we managed to go through the coal eye of opportunities, then I think that everything here is not as simple and bad as it seems to us, we can only believe and support, now is not the time for doubts and democracy with freedom opinions, now is the time to rally...

[faiver]

now is not the time for doubt and democracy with freedom of opinion, now is the time to unite...

- there will be no doubt in the case of just understanding the actions of the authorities, but if there is no understanding, then ....

[El13]

... then the enemy has no understanding either, and this is already not bad. Well, I don’t believe that in some matters people act super-competently, calculating the situation a dozen moves ahead, they know how to veil the final goals and objectives, while in others the same people make mistakes in the very first minute of the game ...

[faiver]

let's hope so...

[Ludmila Strogova]

How is it to demonstrate to those who came to save from Nazism, to demonstrate their betrayal! You can turn around and leave, because it turned out to be politically unprofitable! So if you gave your word, now at least die, but keep it! You spoke your word to everyone, and to God too! What to expect now? And that's it, no one believes now! neither the fraternal people nor your own people! Everything, and what trust flashed! Well, that's all, they removed the President from power! Such a simple political move! \Now I certainly pass!

[FoBoss_V]

Reading similar articles over and over again in various sources and public opinions, assessing what is happening in Russia and in the war zone in Ukraine, the complete silence of the Kremlin on the one hand, and on the other, awarding Vanya Urgant with the title of patriot, I come to the only true thought: we have in the top leadership of the state - treason. The real high treason, for which capital punishment is provided for in the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation. And according to the laws of wartime, for all this, execution is due.

[Repellent]

Quote: FoBoss_V

I come to the only true thought: we have treason in the top leadership of the state

Yes, your president is always "on treason." But the Kremlin and so on have absolutely nothing to do with it.

[FoBoss_V]

Why is the president here? Who has it for you, sorry, because we don't even know each other? And why suddenly forever ... I did not understand anything. I just shared my concerns and thoughts. I am alone

[Olegpetrofka]

Another article that Ukraine has been preparing for hostilities for 8 years, and the LDNR has not done anything. he had a year, and he didn’t do anything to somehow alleviate the situation. Even one well was not drilled for a TV camera. Also, everyone is discussing the problem with the lack of uniforms for DPR volunteers. In early April, a state defense committee was created in DPR (of course it was headed by Pushilin), the provisions of the law on it completely duplicate the provisions of the law on mobilization. Everyone knows that the army of the DPR is sorely lacking in everything - from thermal imagers, body armor, unloading to socks. But on the central TV channels there is an advertisement for the store " camouflage" where there is everything and in a wide range, but of course not for free. And no one, according to the law on mobilization or the law on the defense committee, requisitions the property of the store for the needs of the army. There are many questions, but there is not a single answer, in the DPR for sure.

[tatra]

The enemies of the communists who seized the RSFSR have categorically refused for 30 years to take responsibility for their seizure of the RSFSR, and for what they did to Russia and the Russian people, they proved that they are not capable of giving anything to the country and the people, only to take away, destroy, destroy, instill anger and hatred, slander on the history of the country and people.
And at the same time, they imagined that they have every right to other territories of the USSR, which the enemies of the communists divided among themselves in their Perestroika.

[Kesha1980]

This is not the first time the author has pointed out the customs problems of humanitarian aid. But every day our Ministry of Emergency Situations transports humanitarian cargo to the LDNR - yesterday, if I'm not mistaken, 650 tons. So what's the problem? There are collection points for humanitarian aid. Hand over the seeds and agree with the Ministry of Emergency Situations that this is for Lugansk. I don't see a problem.

[Egoza]

Quote: Kesha1980

Hand over the seeds and agree with the Ministry of Emergency Situations that this is for Lugansk. I don't see a problem.

Comedian you, however. How can you negotiate with the Ministry of Emergency Situations? "Guys, here is a package for the Luhansk people. Pass it on, please!" That's how they took it without documents! At least - the contract for the supply, waybill and other crap. Roman writes everything correctly.

[Kesha1980]

Do they sign contracts at humanitarian aid collection points? Are you seriously)?
Yes, any person can come and donate a humanitarian aid.

Collection points accept:

bottled water (0,5–25 liters);
products (cereals, canned food, tea, sugar, flour);
baby food (mashed potatoes, juices, mixtures, cereals);
disposable tableware;
personal hygiene products (toothpaste and brushes, soap, toilet paper, shampoos, baby diapers and diapers);
bedding and towels;
children's stationery, toys and books;
baby products (pacifiers, baby bottles);
goods for the care of bedridden elderly people (diapers, diapers, napkins);
household appliances (electric kettles, small refrigerators, household extension cords);
clothing for adults and children under 14;
personal protective equipment (masks, antiseptics, gloves).
All items brought must be new, unopened and with labels. Special attention should be paid to the shelf life of food - they must be fresh and stored for a long time.

Collection points operate in all regions. In Moscow, as many as 12 points, for example.
The trick is that this company wants to bring these products to specific people. The question is why exactly up to specific ones? As if some relatives. But I don't care - I don't want to look for a black cat in a dark room that might not be there. After all, it sucks for everyone there, but the text contains the phrase "contacted with Lugansk ...". Well, let them write "for Lugansk" - what's the problem? Cars go not only to Donetsk - to both republics. To me, it's pretty obvious.

[Ru_Na]

Our government itself does not know what to do with Ukraine, it is very expensive to take it into account, leaving it to the locals, among whom there are many sympathizers with nationalists and other acrobats who want to sit on a few chairs, means to conduct a special operation again in a couple of years. If we really want to resolve the issue with Ukraine, then we will have to divide it, but someone will say that it is impossible, but this must be done for the sake of the safe future of our country, I repeat, we are not able to take all of Ukraine on a balance sheet!

[steelmaker]

For the sake of a land corridor with Kaliningrad, Ukraine even needs to be divided!

[ALARI]

And nothing that Ukraine does not border on the Kaliningrad region?

[faiver]

these are small details

[Daniil Konovalenko]

And then the most important thing will begin - denazification, which is unrealistic to carry out in the current state of affairs.

.Purely theoretically, what measures should be taken as a result of this event: the dissolution of political parties, the creation of new ones, the dissolution of the SBU, etc. it makes no sense to list everything. And now the attention is on the question. Who will do this? Who will repeal existing legislation and introduce new ones? Manage what you have? Including Zelensky's decree banning left-wing parties? And other similar laws? The government does not set the task of eliminating statehood in Ukraine. Moreover, it negotiates with the existing one. Even if we take into account that an agreement will be concluded with conditions on demilitarization, denazification, will the Zelensky regime fulfill these conditions?

[Egoza]

Quote: Daniil Konovalenko

Even if we take into account that an agreement will be concluded with conditions on demilitarization, denazification, will the Zelensky regime fulfill these conditions?

No one will fulfill these conditions. Demilitarization? Here the Armed Forces of Ukraine will immediately disarm! Yes, they will sneeze at these agreements. Denazification? Only the destruction of the most stubborn and imprisonment with working off to restore what was destroyed. How to do? Yes, we need active commandant's offices with appropriate support. If not the laws of the Russian Federation, then the laws of the DPR. People will be sure that the Nazis will not return, they will go to elections and referendums. And the division of Ukraine will take place. At one time, I.V. Stalin attached ZU to create a shield in front of Russia, pushed back the war for two years. Then it was right. Now - the memory has played its role. Let them take her along with the Nazis. Whoever wants to, will move to the "new Ukraine", no matter what name it gets. And the West will shut up. And "it is not yet known who will be lucky." Russia will still laugh at those who grabbed these lands. IMHO

[Daniil Konovalenko]

Two Ukraines, it was necessary to do in 2014, with an unrecognized regime in Kyiv and with the current one (Yanukovych) .. in Crimea, plus Donetsk and Lugansk .. Yanukovych, it was possible to replace .. a little later ..

[Monster fat]

It really infuriates me how stupidly everything was leaked in 2014-2015, and even recognized Piglet and the Nazi regime as legal. Evil just takes. But climbed now. What for? For what? What dog bit? Ukraine will still be in NATO. Just don’t say that it was necessary to protect the unfortunate population of Novorossia, why in 2014-2015 they were not accepted into Russia, and then for 8 years they looked at the shelling, urging them to comply with the dibile Minsk agreements, which the Ukrainians immediately called impossible? Forces such as saved up and prepared the international situation, agan and how much they saved up and prepared? There are not enough troops, no shells, logistics is overwhelmed, half of the gold reserves are blocked, sanctions on absolutely everything and a plug on all fronts. And then what? How will we get out of all this? Is there any plan? Besides hemp?

[Daniil Konovalenko]

And then what? How will we get out of all this? Is there any plan? Besides hemp?

..That's it..What's next? And How? And the overthrow is not an end in itself and denazification is carried out. Ugums .. There are more questions than answers. Or Ukraine, recognizes everything, and no one recognizes its recognition? As was the case in Helsinki in 1975, everyone recognized the European borders of states, and Great Britain and the USA did not recognize the entry of the Baltic republics into the USSR, but recognized the borders of the USSR ..

[Maks1995]

What a naivety.
"The government lives on another plane." What do they care about teachers, teachers, conscripts, simple LDNR.

How many articles and news have there been about poverty, protection rackets, cellars, oligarchs, accidents, deliveries to the left in Ukraine, smuggling and part-time jobs in the LDNR, etc.
AND? Nothing. All the same.

In extreme cases, they will show concern, declare it a fake, promise to look into it, etc.
They are not even EDRO members, no one will remember them in a week

[Dilettante grandfather]

I agree on some things. The administration, Russian, is needed to restore order. The streets should be patrolled, policemen, doctors, employees of the Ministry of Emergency Situations are needed. But after that, power will have to be transferred to the inhabitants: after all, no one stuttered about the occupation!
I think many things simply no one worked out, and did not even think about them.
On humanitarian aid: why not contact the authorities? Ours, I mean. After all, we are constantly told on TV that humanitarian aid columns are coming to the LDNR!

[north 2]

already lost Ukraine cannot be lost again. It can only be returned by occupying. Since only by occupying it is possible to produce denazification. Denazification will require a long and productive work of structures created on the experience of SMERSH, on the experience of Sudoplatov, on the experience of fighting Bandera and the forest brothers after the Second World War. ALL teachers in schools and universities must be replaced. All priests of the local churches and churches. Editorial offices of newspapers and television. Total control of social networks. Already now it is necessary to print new history textbooks for schools and universities in the outskirts. But who will do this if in Russia itself Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Solzhenitsyn, etc. are still not cursed in the history books. How to do denazification there, when in Russia itself its traitors are still not damned. Kravchuk, Yeltsin's associate who destroyed the USSR, for thirty years did not raise Ukrainians to fight against the modern Nazi Bandera, and in Russia Yeltsin Centers flaunts and acts with its poison. So who and by what method and on what experience will denazification be carried out on this outskirts?

[ivan2022]

Quote: Repellent

Quote: FoBoss_V

I come to the only true thought: we have treason in the top leadership of the state

Yes, your president is always "on treason." But the Kremlin and so on have absolutely nothing to do with it.

Treason in the society itself, which betrayed 30 years ago everything that could be betrayed. Starting from the military oath and ending with reason and morality. A complete parallel with the ancient Jews of the 1st century. From the kingdom of which there was no stone left unturned. Everyone was waiting for the coming of the Tsar ...., but they betrayed Christ.

However, Christ, of course, would not even come to us ..... As Leo Tolstoy used to say: "In our country, the girls would just laugh at Him,,,," crucifying Christ for us is too high a level

[Repellent]

Quote: ivan2022

crucify Christ for us - - level too high

Wonderful opus, my applause. The only moment remained incomprehensible: and "you" is who?

[ivan2022]

Quote: Repellent

Quote: ivan2022

crucify Christ for us - - level too high

Wonderful opus, my applause. The only moment remained incomprehensible: and "you" is who?

Provide passport information? I can say one thing. I differ from you in that I absolutely do not care who you are. The meaning of the replicas is important to me. And you do not care the meaning. The main thing is to establish an identity.

Heh ... Heh ... There is nothing sweeter for a Russian than to bring another Russian under the "Russian article". This is what I'm talking about. And you only confirm.

[Repellent]

Quote: ivan2022

I care about the meaning of the replicas

Oddly enough, me too.

And when a certain Persian in serious cabbage soup starts rubbing something behind "We all“It always worries me a little.

Therefore, I asked - who are these, "all of you"? Nothing personal

[ivan2022]

Quote: Repellent

Quote: ivan2022

I care about the meaning of the replicas

Me too, strangely enough.

And when a certain Persian in serious cabbage soup starts rubbing something behind "We all“It always worries me a little.

Therefore, I asked - who are these, "all of you"? Nothing personal

And I did not write "all of you" .... I myself am a sinner. It is WE who make excuses. ALL will be before the Lord God. In my time.
But if you want, I will.

There is a fairy tale about friends who brought a jug of wine with them and poured it into a common bowl. And there they saw the purest water. This is what is called "we all" and happened in our recent history.

Remember the journalist Neazorov?
In the early 90s, he was a great patriot and branded the party-owner elite on TV. For their "Soviet deficit" scam. Which magically disappeared within a couple of weeks in early 1992. Biblical miracle!
"There was nothing and suddenly there is." Gaidar saved the country. But the utter indifference of the society, to which the main thing was a full feeding trough .. and not the meaning of what was happening - caused him a shock.
And the events of October 1993 and the subsequent approval by the people of the Yeltsin constitution - - turned Mr. Neazorov into a complete Russophobe.
He certainly went a little crazy, but you can understand his logic. But the bulk of our compatriots in general "cannot be understood with the mind," as another classic said.

[House 25 Sq. 380]

There are no problems with the administrations in the liberated territories of the LPR and DPR ....
If we are talking about some territories of Ukraine itself, then, firstly, this thesis should not be "immersed" in the text about the LPR ....
And, secondly, there is no need to talk about "people's mayors" and "in the basement", since this was also characteristic of the Donbass ....

[bnm.99]

August 1996 - the defeat of the Russian army in Grozny - the clown Lebed and the Jew Berezovsky sign a surrender in Khasav-Yurt. March 2022 - the defeat of the Russian army near Kiev - the clown Medinsky and the Jew Abramovich sign a surrender in Kharkov-Yurt. Amen

[know]

Everything is so, but until the end of the operation, when it becomes clear that the Nazis did not return to this settlement (or did return), it would be naive to wait for local initiatives to create pro-Russian administrations. That is, it would be necessary, in theory, to create them ourselves. Question: where to get frames? Russian military and so little. Will civil managers willingly leave Russian cities? Remember. how did Bandera come at night after the war and kill the chairmen of village councils, doctors and teachers in Galicia, who were brought not even from Russia, but from Central and Eastern Ukraine? My hands are clenched into fists when I remember the Russian spring of 2014-2015, crushed without Russian help by the Nazis. Then there would be active assistance in the blockade of Ukrainian military units, so that soldiers could not even leave the barracks, there were flowers with bread and salt in cities and villages, and ready-made pro-Russian administrations ...

[timokhin-aa]

The authorities don't care. They don't hear.

[TatarinSSSR]

And I really hope that all the mistakes made, stupidity and miscalculations - up to betrayal in the ranks of officials and the command of the Russian Federation when planning the NMD in Ukraine - will have specific names, ranks and positions. Everyone should, by law, receive real terms with the deprivation of titles and merits. Thousands of dead, tens of thousands of wounded and destitute, hundreds of brutally tortured and killed prisoners. A huge split in Russian society into those who are for and those who are against. And somewhere hidden languages ​​​​of those who recently squealed about how "We can repeat!" with a hint of Berlin .... What Berlin, what NATO, and even more so the United States - when even the military operation in only one Ukraine was already ruined by the planners. And now only the heroic steadfastness of our military somehow keeps the situation in check.

[alovrov]

We can not lose, but almost already. Only not the former Ukrainian SSR, but Russia.
The operation is so mediocrely planned and mediocrely carried out that there is nowhere to put samples. The original intent is completely divorced from reality, possible scenarios are not worked out, the scale of the sanctions turned out to be extremely unexpected, as well as the hostility of the local population.
The command can puff out its cheeks as much as it likes, but it is already clear that it is necessary to "remove" the next Pavlov generals and completely reschedule Russia's actions. It is no longer a matter of the honor of the uniform - the generals are specifically pissing the country.

And how can one not remember Ivashov. Everything turns out exactly as he said.

[WayKheThuo]

Please tell me who Ivashov is, why he should be remembered and what he said.
I will be grateful for the reference.

[Mordvin 3]

Colonel-General, who planned a throw on Pristina, a former candidate for the presidency of Russia. Interview from February 13:
https://www.business-gazeta.ru/article/539470

[Awaz]

you understand, it was originally assumed that the war was for a week, Zelensky surrenders, the old power remains in the occupied territories, everyone rejoices and dances, surrenders all the Nazis to the NKVD and happily continues to work and travel to Turkey and Crimea in the summer .. About any occupation administrations and nothing something like that was not even in my thoughts. And even when they began to reschedule the operation, they did not think about this topic, and only now it began to reach that something had to be done. But as always, we do it through one place. But sending teachers and students to the front to the front is a crime, just like sending conscripts. By the way, about who sent the conscripts is still silent. There is no need to figure it out for a long time, just read the order and find out who gave it. given the fact that in our army no one will do everything at their own peril and risk, now they are trying to hush up the participation of high-ranking military men in this.

[VladMirU]

Quote: Dalny V

and South-East of Ukraine

Unfortunately you are right...

[Simple]

Medvedev: “Putin firmly set the goal of demilitarization and denazification of Ukraine. These complex tasks do not happen all at once. And they will be decided not only on the battlefields. To change the bloody and full of false myths consciousness of a part of today's Ukrainians is the most important goal. The goal is for the sake of the peace of future generations of Ukrainians themselves and the opportunity to finally build an open Eurasia - from Lisbon to Vladivostok.”

The message about the desire for an open Eurasia - to which part of the universe is this "radio signal of good intentions to extraterrestrial civilizations" directed?
Building on equal rights will not work.
Maybe someday, after the third world war, if there is anyone.
Today's Ukraine is associated with the phrase "Bandera Ukraine". It's like "Nazi Germany" - Such a subject should not exist.
Only Little Russia and Russia.
Subjects like Malorossiya and Novorossiya could have been created in 2014.
Since then, a lot of water has flowed under the bridge and ideological people too.

[alovrov]

Nichrome he clearly did not put. Either denazification or an agreement with Zelensky. Denazification through an agreement with a local Hitler will not work.

[VladMirU]

Quote: MrFYGY

Recent events show that it will persist and strike back.
They beat for weakness.

With such rulers and a base party, perhaps not so.

[VladMirU]

Quote: igorra

Yes, because cancer, swan and pike are at the top. The state machine is inflexible. Someone is for the preservation of Ukraine, someone is for Novorossiya and Little Russia, and still others are for the annihilation of Ukraine. Plus all sorts of groups catching their interests in the troubled waters of war, as was the case with Mariupol in 14. Plus, Putin, with his maniacal faith in his people, he has such a fad - not to punish his own, even if they have harmed Russia. Yes, and we see from our hearth and are better informed than the government and are ready to give advice. Can wait and then only give their assessments.
P.S. And most importantly, why no one suspects that sabotage is possible. Given that the majority of officials and even those in uniform have real estate and funds abroad, it will not be difficult to put pressure on this or that.

Igor, you are wrong. Still suspect. And a very large number of normal people.

[WayKheThuo]

One gets the impression (and we will talk about this in great detail one of these days) that what is happening in Ukraine has become some kind of surprise for the Russian authorities.

Tyu, Skomorokhov, did it become clear to you just now? Have you just begun to "get the impression" of some kind of absurdity?
Personally, everything became clear to me since the initiative of the State Duma (Duma, yes) to recognize the independence of the LDNR. And when the Radiant One declared that we had no other way out, or rather, they didn’t leave it to us, it immediately became clear to me - they sailed.
Why "sailed"? Well, there are two points:
Firstly, when the first person in the state declares to the camera that “they didn’t leave us any other choice,” I understand that the game went according to someone else’s rules, on someone else’s field, and it’s not us who will determine the winners.
Secondly, you look at our managers. Do you really believe that people who have been sitting on a pipe for 20 (!) years and rowing out of it into their pockets will be able to really take responsibility at the snap of their fingers, reconsider their approach to work and look at the situation through the prism of Russia’s interests and her people? Personally, I don't believe.

I believe that Putin was the victim of a masterfully played game, including disinformation, false multi-layered transitions, and cows of dummy informants, the purpose of which was to get what we got.
And yes, it was considered in all seriousness, I can see it from Putin's first statements after the start of the NWO, that the Armed Forces of Ukraine would run to surrender, and the local authorities would immediately begin to announce their "independence" from Kyiv. This was a false belief. It was a masterfully staged haze. And I'm just sure that the architects of this "hypnosis" have already received their multi-zero awards.

You just pay attention to who is in the real "plus": the United States - it's understandable, there are Tupars, China and Turkey. And who is in the deepest "minus"? Obviously - we and Germany.
Again, smart and crafty, having the ability to plan for many, many years ahead, eventually pitted us against Germany and for the next 50 years made it impossible for an alliance capable of creating a real center of power in Eurasia.

And one more thing.
We really need a victory in Ukraine. It is highly desirable - complete capitulation and trial by nationalists, neo-Nazis and just beasts - because Putin, by his miscalculation, left us no other choice. I just didn't leave.
If these are regular negotiations with an unclear result, we will get a social explosion here, with us.
If this is a defeat, we will get Little Russians brutalized by blood and permissiveness on the "Abrams" and it will be worse than the Nazis.
So God forbid the soldiers and officers who are raking in the mistakes of our leaders, everything that can be expected from the upper forces: good luck, a strong hand, a reliable shoulder and a speedy return with a victory.

By the way, who are these “we”, “us”?
These are the most ordinary people, not heroes and not cowards, just people who regularly paid taxes, worked, raised children, made plans, who are now from 30 to the "board", who did not fall over the hill in the 90s, but remained with their country simply because they counted on something good here, in their homeland.
It is we who will have to carry all this corps de ballet with prices and a round dance of problems, it will be we who will pay for the restoration of Ukraine, which, in the referendum of 91, almost all, with the exception of Crimea, gave more than 80% of the votes for secession from the Union (Donetsk 83 %, Lugansk 83% and Odessa - 85% of the norm, right?), we will have to go to the military registration and enlistment offices if the front rolls back and we will ask questions if another Medina will babble something there.
And God forbid we will not get a clear answer to our questions.
It will be bad for everyone.
I think so.

[tone]

we will simply be thrown into a frontal attack on any Dnepropetrovsk, like those mobilized from the DPR. And we will die like them. That's all.

[AdAstra]

Yes, you all think and write correctly, this is obvious, especially after 8 years "there is no alternative to the Minsk agreements", but it turns out there is. And from what you wrote it follows that Comrade Putin is not a great strategist and chess player, but an average analyst who makes a lot of mistakes. And if it comes to the military registration and enlistment office, then I would like that someone from Medina and a hedgehog did not babble with him there, but were nearby in the same military registration and enlistment office. And then some make mistakes, but for some reason others have to pay.

[Repellent]

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Yes, you all think and write correctly, this is obvious, especially

Do you play as a couple? It turns out funny, it will be necessary for you to ... watch

[AdAstra]

Well, at least not to the clinic for experiments

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Well, at least not to the clinic for experiments

[Amper]

Incompetence, inactivity and unprofessionalism. War, like a surgeon's scissors, throws off the bandages and opens up the sores of the state. And how will it all end? Big question!
.... Run out of fuel, shells, tanks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and peace will come. More precisely, the hostilities will cease .....
Maybe in the East. And hardly in the West!
... And it really should have been done a month ago. ....
About 15 years ago, now it's AVR and neither the authorities nor the staff know what, where and how to do it. Criminal negligence and criminal inaction require change.
And on the agenda are clearly not at all popular decisions, which are scary to voice. Although the people who fought there in 14-15 years repeatedly talked about .... what is happening now, but they are a grain of sand in the sovereign's bright eye.

[Akuzenka]

"That's never happened before, and it started again!" (VCH).

[Electrical]

The same "raspberry" will come to power as in Russia ...

[petrol cutter]

I applaud the author while standing!

[Alexander]

Everything is very simple to close the western border tightly and level Lviv!!!!!

[Goldmitro]

Quote: Tatiana

Because it was impossible for Russia to listen to the Ukrainian oligarch Akhmetov. Namely.
Akhmetov needed to retain his metallurgical business, Azovstal, a port in Mariupol, safe and sound in 2014.

Maybe this explains why the DPR militias then stopped, while they were crushing the Ukrainian Armed Forces near Ilovaisk and Debaltsevo, but did not take Mariupol, which was not protected at that time. They were probably “advised” to do so! And the Minsk negotiations began....., and meanwhile the Maidanists turned Mariupol into a fortress of the Nazis "Azov" .....!