Ukraine is not Russia: a look at the Ukrainian "Mein Kampf" 30 years later

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At the time of the collapse of the USSR, I was 5 years old, naturally, at that age I could not fully understand what was happening, and even more so, there could be no question of giving any assessment to the events and actions of certain political figures.

In the light of the ongoing events, many of my fellow citizens of my age and younger may be asked the question - what did happen then? What was it? When did it start and, most importantly, did Russia and Ukraine have a chance for a different development of events?



Trying to find answers to these questions, I decided that the best way would be to return to the point when Ukraine became an independent state. The book “Ukraine is not Russia” is an explanatory book, as the author himself, the second president of Ukraine, Leonid Danilovich Kuchma, called it.

Its importance for me, as a reader, in the context of the questions posed lies in the fact that it was Kuchma who largely determined the initial conditions for Ukraine, and, most importantly, he himself vector development of Ukrainian statehood. Kuchma is the only president of Ukraine who managed to stay in power for 2 presidential terms. In his book, I found answers (at least for myself) to the voiced questions. And now I want to share my thoughts with readers.

Prologue


While reading the first chapters of the book, I had the feeling that the author was trying to "sit on two chairs", constantly maneuvering between contradictions.

On the one hand, he speaks of the need to build an exclusive "national" Ukrainian state in Ukraine. This is indicated by the huge amount of text devoted to the rigid and uncompromising dissociation of Ukrainians from Russians.

Kuchma is not satisfied with the perception of Russians even as "distant relatives." Emphasis is repeatedly placed on Ukrainian identity, historicity, mentality and its difference from Russian.

And, therefore, since the Ukrainians so different from the Russians, that we are talking about a separate country, then the new country should live in Ukrainian. From this point on, the controversy begins.

Kuchma claims that as a "guarantor" he cared about the rights of all peoples in Ukraine. But the question arises - if Ukraine is multinational, and Poles, Ukrainians, Russians and Belarusians (USSR in miniature) live on its territory, then what is the point in secession from the USSR? Just cut off a small slice of the USSR so that a handful of adventurers get power?

What kind of "independence" was it then? Independence of whom and from whom? If Kuchma proclaims its entire national composition as an integral part of the new Ukraine, then for ethnic Russians we are talking about independence from Russians (Russia)?

image of a democratic president


In one of the chapters, Kuchma accused Yeltsin of not wanting to lose the image of a democratic president, since at that time it was precisely the commitment to "democracy" that allowed many yesterday's "comrades" to "surface" to the surface of political life.

Against the background of such remarks about Yeltsin, the following quote looks very curious

and in Russia and, oddly enough, in Ukraine, there are millions of people who still do not perceive this simple truth (“Ukraine is not Russia.” - Approx. Aut.), for them my book may not be superfluous.

Kuchma actually admits that in Ukraine itself there are people (and we are talking about a period of time after 10 years of “independence” of Ukraine!), who consider themselves Ukrainians, but do not share his views on the degree of separation of Russians and Ukrainians. At the same time, while proclaiming himself a democrat, Kuchma does not declare in relation to this category of citizens that he respects their views.

On the contrary, with regard to them, he directly states that their opinion is just a “mistake” and a “misunderstanding” (well, they “do not perceive” the “correct” ideas), which should not determine the course of Ukraine. It turns out that Ukrainian democracy from the very beginning did not work for everyone.

Conciliar or Federalist?


Ukraine seems to be woven from distinctly different historical areas. For the indifferent and enemies, this is like a patchwork quilt. For those who love Ukraine - a pattern full of deep meaning and beauty.

Did Kuchma understand that the reverse side of such “beauty” is that different parts of this pattern have different views on many important issues for the country? And consequently, before the Ukrainian statehood, whatever it may be, there is an extremely difficult task - to balance these views within the framework of one country.

A number of Ukrainian figures of the past understood the problem and proposed a federal structure for an "independent" Ukraine as a solution. Such a step would help reduce tensions within Ukrainian society and would allow individual historical regions of Ukraine to have greater autonomy within a single country.
Prominent Ukrainian nationalists, including Mykhailo Hrushevsky, also supported federalization at various times.

Here I have to make a small digression. In the process of preparing the article, I came across heated debates, both on Russian and Ukrainian sites. Anticipating a similar development of events in the comments, I want to analyze this situation.

Disputes were held regarding the words of V.V. Putin.

The Russian leader noted that in the fundamental works of Ukrainian nationalists of the XNUMXth century it is written that Ukraine is multinational, should be a federal state, and it is necessary to “build good relations with Russia”.

A number of commentators have accused Putin of forgery. And the appeal to the authority of the Ukrainian nationalists of the past (who were unlike the current intellectuals) was sought to be presented as a kind of “passing game” between Medvedchuk and Putin. One example of such a position is as follows

I am by no means a historian, but I will speak out.
The Russian leader is not a historian either. I am 99,999% sure that V.V. Putin did not read the works, and even more so the “fundamental” ones, by the Ukrainian nationalists of the XNUMXth century, just as I did not read them either. Then where did our V.V. Putin get this information from? Answer: Putin retells to the people the words of his godfather, the Ukrainian nationalist Medvedchuk.

In reality, Putin "told the people" the words of not only Medvedchuk, but also Kuchma. Since in the chapter “Conciliar or federalist”, among other things, Kuchma writes the following:

I specifically studied the biography of Grushevsky, and not only from a natural interest in this great man, but also because Hrushevsky was actually the first president of Ukraine, and the portrait gallery of our presidents is still small. I will say right away: Mikhail Sergeevich Grushevsky, the father of Ukrainian independence, was inclined to overestimate the perfection of the human race.
As his biographers write, in the idea of ​​federalism he saw the ideal of justice, in this idea for him converged, as in a focus, all the brightest - equality, democracy, self-government and socialism.

And further.

Moreover, for a long time he was convinced, quite in the spirit of his socialist ideology, that the principle consistently put into practice democratic federalism makes the full state independence of Ukraine optional. That's what I thought then he is not alone. Ukrainian National Congress in April 1917, under the impression of the democratic February Revolution in Petrograd, he adopted a resolution on establishing relations between Ukraine and the peoples of Russia on a federal basis.

This situation cannot but indicate the extremely low level of awareness of modern supporters of “independence” - a “duck” got into the information field that Putin refers to Medvedchuk, and there was not a single person who would write in the comments that, in fact, Kuchma wrote the same thing. Why read books if there are people like Arestovich who will tell Ukrainians who they are and where they come from?

But let us return to the further discussion of our topic.

Having outlined Grushevsky's position, Kuchma enters into a dispute in absentia with him. And if before that he criticized his opponents more rudely, exposing them as "silly people" who "do not understand the problems of Ukraine", then with respect to Hrushevsky he acts ingratiatingly and cautiously, understanding his authority.

At the same time, the difference in the level of preparation of the participants in this “correspondence polemic” is striking. Grushevsky is a professional academic historian who has been dealing with the very “problematics of Ukraine” all his life, moreover, in the context of relations with Russia. Kuchma himself gives an exhaustive description of his competence - "and in our village club there is a wonderful selection of literature."

Ukrainian radicals


To complete the picture, I consider it necessary to make some digression from the works of Kuchma and introduce the reader to other important characters and their ideas. Without this digression, the picture of what is happening will be incomplete.

The ideas voiced by Kuchma seemed to me very similar to the ideas of Dontsov and Korchinsky, with the only difference being that Kuchma expressed them “politically correct” and “diplomatically” – they say, there are unintelligent Ukrainians who foolishly have a different view on the fate of Ukraine. The above-mentioned characters expressed their thoughts more straightforwardly, openly dividing Ukrainian society into "Cossacks" and "swineherds". That is, essentially implying the caste system of society.

The quotes below are provided for informational purposes only and do not constitute propaganda of the ideas of their authors. On the contrary, they are published in the context of criticism of such views.

Throughout the history of Ukraine, two psychological types of Cossacks and swineherds have been fighting.

However, the greatest hatred, not theoretical, but purely physiological, in us is caused not so much by the image of a predatory and insidious mondialist somewhere far away, but by the image of our own, Kyiv or Lvov swineherd.

The fact that generations of adherents of such views were brought up in Ukraine allows us to take a fresh look at the reports about why some Ukrainian units show such indifference to the fate of the civilian Ukrainian population that ended up in the NVO zone, not to mention the civilian population of the DPR and LPR .

The attitude of these units to peaceful "Ukrainians" as to "cattle" is not at all an invention of Russian propagandists, but a documented position of a number of Ukrainian nationalists.

Speaking about the roots of the “Ukrainian Cossacks”, one cannot fail to mention what it was like in the XNUMXth-XNUMXth centuries. In fact, it was an association of Cossacks with primitive self-government bodies, successively replacing each other. The Cossacks constantly maneuvered between the larger external "players" in the region - the Russian Empire, Poland, Sweden, the Ottoman Empire, from conflict to conflict taking the side of one or the other.

The relationship between some representatives of the Zaporizhzhya Cossacks and Russia can be characterized by such a distinction as the Order of Judas.

The Order of Judas is an order made in a single copy in 1709 by order of Tsar Peter I to “reward” Hetman I. S. Mazepa for going over to the side of Sweden in the Northern War.

Mazepa himself “was viewed by historiography and official journalism of the Russian Empire as a traitor to the state. In modern Ukraine, he is revered as a national hero.

Ukraine is not Russia: a look at the Ukrainian "Mein Kampf" 30 years later
Poroshenko at the unveiling of the monument to Mazepa in 2016

Ukraine is anti-Russia


Our main difficulties with Russia do not lie where they are usually seen by the Ukrainian media. Among our problems there is one that is solved to a rather painful extent. Decades will pass before my compatriots can safely say to themselves that it has been solved. This is not a Russian-Ukrainian problem. This is a Ukrainian problem. But it is closely connected with Russia.
It is about our identity and our psychology. Political scientists and sociologists of Ukraine agree that the processes of consolidation of the Ukrainian nation are still far from complete. We still don't fully understand who we are.
One of the important components of Ukrainian self-identification lies in the formula: Ukraine is not Russia.

This is perhaps the most important quote in the entire book, because in this short passage, Kuchma bluntly states that when starting a project called Ukraine, no one could articulate exactly who the Ukrainians were.

Some liberals put the question in this way - poor, unfortunate Ukraine, inhabited by "Ukrainians", is trying to self-determine, and big Russia insidiously hinders them in this noble cause.

However, the situation is somewhat different. In Ukraine was и offers a category of citizens that has very specific views on what it means to be Ukrainian. This is also expressed in the opening of the monument to Mazepa, the very fact of the opening of which declares the position that the Ukrainian is a traitor to Russia. And in the already voiced positions of the Ukrainian radicals. In these positions, I did not see any poetic rambling and uncertainty.

Another thing is that Kuchma simply could not voice it then at the official level. By voicing this directly and decisively, this would not allow him to maintain the image of a “democrat”, and the reaction of the traditionally Russian-oriented regions would be tougher, as would Russia’s position, at least on the issue of Crimea.

At the same time, when discussing who Ukrainians are, I consider it important to consider two examples from the cinema.

The first example is an excerpt from a documentary (1941 Ukrainians in Smolensk. Ukrainians in Smolensk (Russia)), filmed in Germany, in which the image of a Ukrainian, in the words of the Ukrainian classic, is “painted in the colors in which he is painted”.

And another passage, already from the USSR.


It becomes obvious that the title of "Ukrainian" is claimed by people who have not just different, but opposite and even irreconcilable views.

One part considered themselves Ukrainians, more or less oriented towards Russian civilization, the other - Ukrainians, supporters of Mazepa and Bandera.

This struggle has taken place throughout history, but since 2014 it has entered the terminal stage. Then the West began to actively support the anti-Russian agenda, and the slogan “Ukraine = not Russia" began to transform more and more into "Ukraine = anti-Russia".

At the same time, Western media presented Ukraine to their viewers exclusively as a country that unequivocally made its choice in favor of the West. She did this ostensibly freely and democratically, although at the same time the following events were taking place:


Based on the foregoing, one disappointing conclusion can be drawn. Ukrainian society was initially divided into pro-Russian and pro-Western components, but instead of trying to balance the contradictions through federalization, the path of centralization of power was chosen.

Kuchma played a key role in this matter, primarily because he was very close to the origins of the “independence” of Ukraine, and in subsequent periods of centralized power, federalization was already unprofitable. Nobody wanted to share the powers they had, and above all in the context of the redistribution of financial flows.

This issue is well covered in this speech by Muraev. At the end of the video, it is said to whom this option was unprofitable and why.


Ultimately, the anti-Russian ideologies historically formed in Ukraine became a very convenient tool for our Western geopolitical opponents. Since 2014, Ukraine has finally lost its independence and sovereignty, completely turning into a battering ram against Russia, and the further development of events was practically predetermined.

The answer to the question of when this began can also be a quote from the already mentioned Korchinsky. This interview was published back in 2000.

El.: In assessing your internal situation, do you take into account the factor of American or, more broadly, mondialist pressure, and how is it manifesting itself inside Ukraine at the moment?
DK: Naturally, we take it into account, especially since the role of this factor is quite large. As an example, the following remark can be cited: over the past year, the United States has invested a meager amount of $3 million in the Ukrainian economy, while they have invested two or three orders of magnitude more in politics. It's also not very much, but it's much more. Both the American embassy and the AFL-CIO office in Kyiv are trying very hard to influence the processes taking place in Ukraine, as well as the mass of so-called American public institutions and foundations that are represented in Ukraine.

At the same time, we must be very careful in the current realities with the word "Ukrainian", remembering that there is an understanding of the Ukrainian not only "according to Bandera" or Mazepa, but also "according to Leonid Bykov."
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  1. + 39
    6 September 2022 04: 51
    It is about our identity and our psychology. Political scientists and sociologists of Ukraine agree that the processes of consolidation of the Ukrainian nation are still far from complete. We still don't fully understand who we are.

    Poor things.
    They tried so hard to kill the Russian in themselves that they killed the man in themselves.

    Ukraine is a typical loser country. The same loser as her current "heroes" were losers.
    Mazepa was robbed by the Swedes on his way to Turkey and died in poverty in Moldavia.
    Petlyura was shot dead in Paris by an anarchist Jew.
    Konovalets was blown up by an NKVD agent with a bomb.
    Bandera was liquidated by a KGB agent.
    Shukhevych himself shot himself so as not to fall into the hands of SMERSH alive.
    Everywhere you look - solid losers who have achieved absolutely nothing in life. So what can a state be if it teaches its youth through the life examples of losers with a capital "N"?
    1. + 25
      6 September 2022 07: 21
      Do not confuse nationality with place of residence and citizenship. Namely.

      Ukrainian is not a nationality, as such, i.e. not ethnicity to a particular people. BUT this is a LOCAL name of a person's place of residence or CITIZENSHIP as belonging to a particular state. Namely.
      In other words, "Ukrainian" is the same as "Russian", "Muscovite", "Petersburg", "Volzhan", "Siberian", etc.

      Nationality is an ethnic concept as belonging to a certain people with its own language, history, customs, geographical place of origin, etc.
      Nationality is "Russian", "Pole", "Jew", "Lithuanian", "Latvian", etc.

      In 192, when the USSR was formed in 1922, the All-Russian census was conducted in Soviet Russia.
      In the All-Russian census of 1920, special attention was paid to the national question (according to the results, the ethnographic composition of the population of the regions and the country as a whole was revealed), professional occupations of citizens.
      И during this 1920 census in Ukraine, many Jews, Liovtsy, Latvians, Poles, etc. in the column "nationality" they wrote "Ukrainian". At the same time, they expected that by demonstrating their loyalty to the new - Soviet - political power for Ukrainian chauvinists in this way, they would receive from the Ukrainian chauvinists the appropriate preferences in their careers and privileges in their social position.
      And during this All-Russian population census of 1920 "Ukrainian" chauvinists of all stripes in the column "nationality" forcibly also recorded ethnic Russians as "Ukrainians", changing Russian full names to "Ukrainian".

      TOTAL. A Ukrainian is, in the classical sense, historically not a nationality, as such, but a LOCAL affiliation during the formation of the state of the Ukrainian SSR ..
      In this case, it is important to know what kind of people, nationality in Ukraine turned out to be the original chauvinists towards Russia and why.
      1. + 16
        6 September 2022 08: 23
        Quote: Tatiana
        TOTAL. A Ukrainian is not a nationality, but a LOCAL affiliation during the formation of the state of the Ukrainian SSR ..

        This was the mistake. The Soviet government itself, with its own money, raised and implanted Ukrainianism, rejecting Russian identity. And now Russia has the negativity that it created itself over 75 years.
        1. +8
          6 September 2022 08: 55
          Quote: tihonmarine
          Quote: Tatiana
          TOTAL. A Ukrainian is not a nationality, but a LOCAL affiliation during the formation of the state of the Ukrainian SSR ..
          This was the mistake. The Soviet government itself, with its own money, raised and implanted Ukrainianism, rejecting Russian identity. And now Russia has the negativity that it created itself over 75 years.

          It is very difficult to call this a mistake! This was the conscious policy of the Bolsheviks.
          Lenin himself was an ardent Russophobe - a Marxist and a fake "leader" of the Russian proletariat, and all of his Bolshevik guards were Russophobe, except for Stalin and Ordzhenikidze.

          The main condition for the West to support the West and Russian Social Democracy represented by 10 then leading political parties in Russia there was a mandatory administrative-territorial division of the Republic of Ingushetia according to the so-called. "national" attribute. And the Bolshevik Party was one of them.
          Lenin is a "blind" Marxist and Russophobe, as was K. Marx, the grandson of 2 rabbis.
          It was at the insistence of Lenin that the Bolsheviks implemented in Russia this demand of the West on the administrative-territorial division of Russia according to the so-called. "national" sign.
          The West only did not count on building a communist system in Russia.

          TOTAL. Together with Vel. Oct. social revolution and administrative-territorial division by the Bolsheviks of Soviet Russia on the basis of the so-called. "titular" nationalities in Russia, a geopolitical nationalist upheaval also took place. Namely.
          In this case, if historically, Russia initially developed as a state of the primordially RUSSIAN PEOPLE, which took other peoples under its protection, seeking protection and support from it, then as a result of the administrative division of the territory of Russia by the Bolsheviks according to the nat. sign after Vel. Oct. socialist. revolution, the state of the Russian people ceased to exist - Russia became a state of NATIONAL MINORITIES.

          1. +6
            6 September 2022 09: 47
            Ukraine is anti-Russia
            The development of SOVIET Russia, the world's first socialist state, initially had a twofold - contradictory - character. Namely.

            On the one hand, the Russian people, who believed in the communist idea of ​​the Bolshevik-Leninists, and, being the bearer of the sovereign mentality, on all fronts of social construction he really created socialism within the framework of the whole country as his entire multinational Motherland. As a matter of fact, he had nothing else to do.
            But at the same time, on the other hand, in the former tsarist national outskirts, where feudal relations still prevailed and there was no own national proletariat, the petty national bourgeoisie and former local feudal lords received power from the Bolshevik-Leninists and under their control. The national industry was already built by the hands of the Russian and Russian-speaking peoples.
            In this case, everything that was really created national during the years of Soviet power in the once backward tsarist national outskirts - the national republics - is only the local national party and Soviet bureaucracy, as well as the national creative intelligentsia serving it (social scientists, writers, artists, etc.). This national party and Soviet intelligentsia objectively retained the national bourgeois-feudal mentality not only in relation to their own working people, but also in relation to the Russians who came to “hunch on them” up to the time of the so-called Gorbachev “new thinking”.

            TOTAL National problems in the USSR not only were from the very beginning of Soviet power, but also had a national-BOURGEOIS class character in relation to the Russian people. The counter-bourgeois - in comparison with 1917 - coup d'etat of 1991 in the USSR as a whole only raised from the bottom to the surface the already existing national-bourgeois deformations during the construction of socialism in Russia, which the Soviet leadership tried not to make public

            1. +9
              6 September 2022 12: 51
              The fact of the saying of LB Trotsky is not confirmed by the original! This is fiction.
              We must turn Russia into a desert
              Myth summary and use cases
              1. 0
                6 September 2022 13: 47
                Quote from: hetvertak
                The fact of the saying of LB Trotsky is not confirmed by the original! This is fiction.
                We must turn Russia into a desert
                Myth summary and use cases

                1. The Jew Trotsky acted during the Revolution and the Civil War in Russia in exactly the same way as the Jew Zelensky is now acting at the behest of the West with his clownish camarilla "Kvartal-95", the national battalions and the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
                Zelensky is at war with Russians and Russians until the LAST Ukrainian!
                Trotsky not only organized the Red Army, but he also came up with the idea of ​​enlisting the same Russians in the Red Army under the hostage of their relatives.
                2. Foreign detachments in the Red Army during the battles and executions of deserters - this is also an invention of his organizational handiwork.
                3. Trotsky is supported by the Anglo-Saxons and Zionists in the US Federal Reserve.
                4. Read the works of Trotsky to understand that there were 2 political currents in the Bolshevik movement: TROTSKYSM and STALINISM and how they differed. Namely.
                Trotsky and Trotskyists, to which I partly attribute Lenin himself, made a coup d'etat in Russia to transfer all the wealth of Russia to external foreign control with the removal from power of the Russian people.
                Stalin and the Stalinists advocated the sovereignty of Soviet Russia in building socialism. And if Stalin had not cleaned out the "5th column" of Trotskyists in Soviet Russia in 1937-1938, then the USSR would have lost the war with the West in 1941, and not in 1991!

                In fact, the Federal Reserve System (US Fed) is not a government agency, but is owned by private owners - a group of predominantly foreign bankers - mostly Zionist moneylenders. In 1913, Congress gave America into perpetual debt slavery to the private Federal Reserve System, giving it the power to print money and control the American economic system.
                Although under the Federal Reserve Act of 1913, the names of bank owners are kept secret, R.E. McMaster, publisher of "The Reaper", through confidential contacts with Swiss banks, found out that The following banks own a controlling stake in the Federal Reserve:
                1. London and Berlin Rothschild Banks
                2. Paris Bank Lazard Brothers
                3. Italian banks Israel Moses Sieff
                4. Hamburg Bank Warburg, Germany and Amsterdam
                5. New York Bank Kuhn Loeb (through his brother, who worked in this Bank, Trotsky received money for the 1917 coup d'état in Russia).
                6. New York Bank Lehman Brothers
                7. New York Bank Goldman Sachs
                8. New York Bank Chase Manhattan (Rockefeller-controlled)

                And the list of shareholders of the US Federal Reserve, compiled according to Swiss banking sources, looks as follows:
                1. Rothschilds
                2. Lazard Frerez (Eugene Mayer)
                3. Israel siff
                4. Kun Loeb Company
                5. Warburg Company
                6. Lehman Brothers
                7. Goldman Sachs
                8. Rockefeller and Morgan Families
              2. 0
                7 September 2022 15: 20
                She periodically gives false information in her fiery and lengthy comments. A man's hobby is... winked
          2. +1
            6 September 2022 10: 13
            It must be hard to live without knowing history.
            By the way, Lenin turned out to be 100% right, Ukrainian separatism ended up ruining the Donbass.
            1. +4
              6 September 2022 10: 30
              Quote: EvilLion
              By the way, Lenin turned out to be 100% right, Ukrainian separatism ended up ruining the Donbass.

              Not Lenin, but Stalin was 100% right!!!
              Lenin just followed the lead of the West - i.e. advocated the creation of national SSR republics on the basis of the so-called. "Titular nationality" with the right to freely withdraw from the USSR and, moreover, hastened to illegitimately release Finland from the Russian Empire.

              And Stalin, on the contrary, was against Lenin on this issue and advocated only national autonomies without the right to withdraw them from Soviet Russia.
          3. + 10
            6 September 2022 10: 34
            "ABOUT THE RUSSIAN PEOPLE Alexander ZINOVEV XXI century" https://zinoviev-alex.livejournal.com/1278.html
            1. 0
              10 September 2022 21: 04
              Yuri, tell me honestly, have you read this work yourself? Or did you find it on the Internet and ctrl+c ctrl+v?
          4. -4
            6 September 2022 11: 11
            This was the conscious policy of the Bolsheviks.
            Lenin himself was an ardent Russophobe

            All the troubles of the Russian cheers "patriots" from the Bolsheviks, poor, do you want to roll an enema laughing
          5. +1
            6 September 2022 14: 26
            Well, maybe it’s enough to blame everything on the Bolsheviks? Are the Bolsheviks to blame for the fact that there were always Mazepas, Sagaidachs, Skoropads, Petliuras, Makhnos and others on this territory?
            1. -4
              6 September 2022 14: 52
              Quote: Diana Ilyina
              Well, maybe it’s enough to blame everything on the Bolsheviks? Are the Bolsheviks to blame for the fact that there were always Mazepas, Sagaidachs, Skoropads, Petliuras, Makhnos and others on this territory?

              And you take off your "rose-colored glasses" about the Bolsheviks and ask yourself a logical question: Why did the Soviet Union collapse after 74 years of Soviet power in the USSR?

              What, in your opinion, with this collapse of the USSR, the Bolsheviks already disappeared in the country and historically had nothing to do with it?
              "Holy party people" - such as "communists": Gorbachev, Yeltsin with Khrushchev, etc. - to help you understand!
              1. +1
                6 September 2022 16: 23
                You don’t need to help me understand, and I never had pink glasses. And empires fell apart when there were prerequisites for this and worthless rulers in power or outright traitors.
                I want to remind you that when the Republic of Ingushetia collapsed, Ukraine was one of the first to rush to the exit, and it was certainly not the Bolsheviks who ruled there, but Skoropadsky and his company.
                1. +4
                  6 September 2022 18: 02
                  "And empires fell apart when there were prerequisites for this"
                  in the USSR, all the provinces lived better than the metropolis, I then traveled a lot around the country, from Brest to Bukhara, and from Murmansk to Kabul. and everywhere natives lived better than Russians. maybe if it were the other way around, the union would still be
                  1. -2
                    6 September 2022 20: 25
                    So, in general, it was like that under the tsars, the outskirts lived better than Russia, to tell the truth, not in such volumes as under the USSR, but still. The point here is not so much in the system, but in our mentality. We took the territories of our neighbors not in order to plunder, but in order to protect them. And now we receive "gratitude" in full, especially from those who were actually saved from complete annihilation. This applies to the Ukrainians, they were saved from the Poles and Tatars, the Tribalts were saved from the Germans, Georgians and Armenians from the Turks, etc.
                    1. +2
                      7 September 2022 09: 33
                      Muscovites and Leningraders lived no worse than the inhabitants of the outskirts. And not all suburbs had such a rich life. Life in the capitals of the Union republics, their largest cities and in the outback was quite different.
                      1. +2
                        8 September 2022 06: 57
                        and now it’s not like that ??? why talk a lot, just look at the number and growth of the population before and after the “perestroika” and everything will become immediately clear - there are probably more “does not fit in” than those who died in the Second World War.
            2. +1
              7 September 2022 09: 30
              Makhno, an opponent of Ukrainian nationalism, how did he end up in this company?
          6. +3
            6 September 2022 19: 21
            Quote: Tatiana
            K. Marx, grandson of 2 rabbis.

            Dear Tatiana!
            When they taught about Marx in Soviet schools, they didn’t talk about this
            did not write, just as you do not say that he was baptized and Hitler later said that his worldview and attitude towards the Jews was based on the articles of Marx, when Marx was working as a journalist.
            Try to be truthful!
            1. -2
              7 September 2022 20: 27
              Quote: Vitaly Gusin
              When they taught about Marx in the Soviet school, they didn’t say this and
              they didn’t write, just as you don’t say that he was baptized and Hitler later said that his worldview and attitude towards Jews was based on the articles of Marx, when Marx was working as a journalist.
              Try to be true!

              I don't care about Hitler!
              And what am I wrong about?

              In Soviet times, indeed, in the programs on history at school and in universities in philosophical disciplines, we did not go through this true attitude of Lenin and K. Marx and the Bolsheviks of the Trotskyist persuasion to the Great Russians on the Russian question in detail from the works of the classics of the m / l in Russia / USSR at all.
              I learned about the true attitude of the M/L classics towards the Russians only in connection with my passing the exam in M/L philosophy when passing the exams for the candidate's minimum in technical disciplines.
              At that time, in our program for passing the exam in philosophy for the candidate minimum, there was 1 question out of 60 in the examination papers on the works of the classics of the syllabus on national issues.
              And on the exam I was "excellent".

              So, togzha at the very same time, my hair stood on end from reading the works and letters of Lenin in 1920-1922 and his attitude towards the Russians !!!
              I will never forgive the classics of M/L for this attitude towards Russians! We are now paying for the genocide of Russians by the Bolsheviks-Trotskyists with blood and death. It was they who laid the time bomb in 1917 for the collapse of the USSR in 1991 and the apartheid of national minorities towards the Russian people in the post-Soviet space.

              And you are simply stuck on the limited information from the school and university curriculum. And, apparently, you studied the works of Lenin, Marx and Lenin only from historical and philosophical reference books, and not by reading their works yourself.
              You just got unlucky with teachers.
              1. 0
                7 September 2022 22: 14
                Quote: Tatiana
                And what am I wrong about?

                1 You put the emphasis on the ancestors in order to translate the rails, who is to blame (the eternal Russian question) and, as always, there is an answer.
                2 His father, Heinrich Marx, had his children baptized in 1824, he himself converted to Lutheranism in 1816, and his wife in 1825.
                3 While working as a journalist, he wrote anti-Semitic articles.
                And that's ALL I wanted to answer YOUR
                K. Marx, grandson of 2 rabbis.
                Quote: Tatiana
                I don't care about Hitler!

                And here you are not being honest either.
                In statements one leitmotif Jew Trotsky, Jew Zelensky, owned by private owners - a group of predominantly foreign bankers - mostly moneylenders Zionist sense. etc. Why don't you indicate the nationalities of other "heroes"?
                Open your face, Gulchatay (c) hi
                1. -2
                  7 September 2022 22: 39
                  Quote: Vitaly Gusin
                  Why don't you indicate the nationalities of other "heroes"?
                  Open your face, Gulchatay (c)

                  Troll, please?
                  Quote: Vitaly Gusin
                  In the statements, one leitmotif of the Jew Trotsky, the Jew Zelensky, belongs to private owners - a group of predominantly foreign bankers - mostly Zionist usurers. etc.

                  Do you want to talk about the globalist problem in the world with the support of the Zionists of the US Federal Reserve?!
                  1. 0
                    8 September 2022 08: 25
                    Quote: Tatiana
                    Troll, please?

                    Strange thinking
                    ALLwhat I wrote or point out
                    nationality All "heroes" or NONE.
                    Quote: Tatiana
                    Do you want to talk about the globalist problem in the world based on Zionists US Fed?!

                    Why are Zionists, they may not be Zionists.
                    Zionism (Hebrew: צִיּוֹנוּת, tzionut - from the name of Mount Zion in Jerusalem) is a political movement whose goal is the unification and revival of the Jewish people in their historical homeland - in Israel (Eretz Israel), as well as the ideological concept on which this movement is based. https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B7%D0%BC
                    November 10, 1975 XXX session of the UN General Assembly by the efforts of the USSR (with the support of Arab and "non-aligned" countries) adopted (by 72 votes with 35 against and 32 abstentions) Resolution 3379, which qualified Zionism as a "form of racism and racial discrimination"
                    You stayed there, but the WORLD has advanced.
                    On December 16, 1991, Resolution 3379 was canceled Resolution 46/86 of the UN General Assembly. 111 states voted in favor of the resolution, 25 voted against, 13 abstained[73].
                    But what you preach is called anti-semitism
                    Anti-Semitism is intolerance expressed in hostility towards Jews.
                    AND NOBODY EVER DID IT CANCEL!
                    1. 0
                      8 September 2022 12: 06
                      Quote: Vitaly Gusin
                      Zionism (Hebrew צִיּוֹנוּת‏‎, zionut - from the name of Mount Zion in Jerusalem) is a political movement whose goal is the unification and revival of the Jewish people in their historical homeland - Israel (Eretz Israel),
                      Anti-Semitism is intolerance, expressed in a hostile attitude towards Jews.
                      AND NOBODY EVER DID IT CANCEL!
                      But what you preach is called anti-Semitism.
                      Do not confuse provocatively ethnic anti-Semitism with political anti-Zionism as a political current among the Semites! These are completely different things.
                      You don't need to label me as an anti-Semite. This is your scientifically untenable and historically illiterate.

                      Jews are historically the same ethnic Semites as the Arabs, who differ from the rest of the Semites only in their ideologically religious faith in Judaism and their "God-chosen exclusivity" on earth and nothing more

                      Zionism, based on the ideology of Judaism about the coming to earth of the Mashiach for "God's chosen Jews" and the propaganda of the domination of Jewish Jews around the world over other peoples and their countries, has long ago turned into a globalist colonial-political movement of world Jewish nationalists for the domination of "God's chosen" Jews - Jews all over the world over other - goy - peoples and their countries.
                      Quote: Vitaly Gusin
                      On November 10, 1975, the XXX session of the UN General Assembly, through the efforts of the USSR (with the support of Arab and "non-aligned" countries), adopted (72 votes with 35 against and 32 abstentions) Resolution 3379, which qualified Zionism as "a form of racism and racial discrimination"
                      Well, that's the way it is! Correct assessment.
                      Quote: Vitaly Gusin
                      You stayed there, but the WORLD has advanced.
                      On December 16, 1991, resolution 3379 was repealed by resolution 46/86 of the UN General Assembly. 111 states voted in favor of the resolution, 25 voted against, 13 abstained

                      And this has already happened in the UN with the servile submission of this TRAITOR of the USSR and the countries of the socialist camp, the "communist" turncoat Gorbaev, as a result of the victory of the USA in the Cold War of the USA with the USSR and with communism after the collapse of the Warsaw Pact countries, the collapse of the countries of the socialist camp and the bourgeois coup d'etat in the USSR.

                      It is strange that you do not see any internal dialectical difference in the content of these two historical events, but think exclusively purely bourgeois-metaphysically in favor of Judaism and world Jewry! Excluding changes in EXTERNAL and INTERNAL factors.

                      Alexander Dugin. What is Zionism
                      1. -1
                        8 September 2022 13: 09
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        Alexander Dugin. What is Zionism

                        Alexander Dugin, that is it?
                        alexander gelevich dugin, russian political philosopher, known for his views. Scholars widely assess his views as fascist, and he also preaches cachiton, which will save the whole world from surfing (read this crap), this is from a mental hospital.
                        FISHERMAN, FISHERMAN.
                      2. +1
                        8 September 2022 14: 35
                        Quote: Vitaly Gusin
                        His views are widely assessed by scholars as fascist,

                        I wonder what kind of "researchers" evaluate Dugin and in what works, at what time and from what country are these "researchers"?
                        Be more specific, please!
                        And so it’s all with you just a simple shaking of the air as a trick in proving supposedly your “rightness” in a dispute with your opponent on this issue and nothing more.
                        What exactly is Dugin wrong in his speech on the essence and nature of Zionism in this video?
          7. -1
            7 September 2022 20: 34
            nonsense of an ardent Great Russian chauvinist, no different from the Ukrainian Bandera
            1. -2
              8 September 2022 00: 03
              Quote from dimbasic
              nonsense of an ardent Great Russian chauvinist, no different from the Ukrainian Bandera

              I hear from a rsofob-"internationalist"-pseudo-communist!
              1. -2
                8 September 2022 08: 32
                another nonsense of the Great Russian anti-Semitic chauvinist. do not forget to fasten the pan and ziganut
                1. 0
                  8 September 2022 12: 41
                  Quote from dimbasic
                  another nonsense of the Great Russian anti-Semitic chauvinist. do not forget to fasten the pan and ziganut

                  stop Everything is just the opposite! It was you, as you were a Russophobic "pan" in ideology, so without the concept of "pan" you will die!laughing
                  And a Russophobe-Nazi - a Jew Zelensky - to help you understand this! feel
                  1. -3
                    8 September 2022 12: 45
                    said the Nazi homegrown pan
      2. +8
        6 September 2022 08: 44
        There are ethnographic maps of the early 20th century, there are no Ukrainians there
        1. +2
          7 September 2022 09: 39
          The pre-revolutionary encyclopedias of Brockhaus and Efron and Yuzhakov's encyclopedia contain a wealth of information about Ukraine and Ukrainians. In articles devoted to individual provinces, counties, large cities, in sections on the national and religious composition of their population, information was first provided on the total percentage of Russians, and then the percentage of Great Russians, Little Russians and Belarusians within them. The cultural and economic problems of Ukrainians and Belarusians were discussed in the legal press, in reputable pre-revolutionary magazines.
      3. +9
        6 September 2022 08: 58
        Ukrainian is not a nationality, but a place of residence. Ukraine has no right to be called that. Ukraine is the Ukrainian SSR. It is more correct to call it the territory of the Ukrainian SSR.
        1. +3
          7 September 2022 09: 43
          Nevertheless, in Soviet times, when they gave information on the population of regions, cities and districts of the Ukrainian SSR, they indicated the percentage of Ukrainians, Russians, and representatives of other nationalities. For example, almost half of the population of Kharkiv and the majority of the population of a number of districts of the Kharkiv region, a significant part of the population
          Dnepropetrovsk, Zaporozhye and their regions were quite officially considered Russians, not Ukrainians. Khrushchev in all documents, including when he was the First Secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party (b) of Ukraine, was indicated as Russian. In Soviet times, it was customary for Ukrainians to call Ukrainians by nationality, and not in the same way as in modern Ukraine, when Ukrainians are first of all called all the inhabitants of the country, and ethnic Ukrainians are distinguished from their number.
          1. 0
            7 September 2022 13: 55
            Quote: Sergej1972
            and ethnic Ukrainians are singled out from among them.

            Ethnic Ukrainians do not exist in nature. An ethnic Ukrainian is a figure of speech - and nothing more. Now all sorts of Westerners with Polish or Hungarian roots call themselves such. Or ignoramuses, who don't understand a damn thing about ethnology. I will reveal to you the secret of my ethnic origin. According to my USSR passports, my father is Belarusian, my mother is Ukrainian, and I am Russian, born in Crimea. What is my true ethnicity in your opinion?
      4. +2
        7 September 2022 21: 28
        I saw another definition. Which I liked more, because. it contributes to the unity of the peoples living on the territory of the former USSR. This is important for winning the war with the West. A small fragment of the article.
        The difference between the Russian nation and the Russian ethnic group. Is it dangerous to focus on one ethnic group, calling it Russian?

        Russians are not an ethnic group, but a CULTURAL AND HISTORICAL nation, consisting of more than a hundred ethnic groups, including Slavs.
        Russian is a linguistic people. No, not an "adjective", but a linguistic people. The state was built on this for a thousand years.
        This principle provided a single people for the vast territory of the Empire, the 6th part of the planet.
        The Russian Empire is unique - it is an inclusive empire, defensive and defensive, the elites of the accepted peoples became the elites of the Empire, like Shamil, for example.
        Western empires were built differently, the nations were there by blood and there was no mixing with the colonized territories, since these territories were intended for exploitation.

        Lenin and the Marxists set the task of eliminating the Fatherland, for the proletariat it does not exist, as we remember. They split the unitary empire into Maidan republics. They abandoned the adhesion of the whole people in the field of state policy and announced that Russians are not a linguistic concept, but an ethnic Slavic one. And then there was a scrapping of the thousand-year-old state construction. They canceled the concept of “Russian nation”, replaced this concept with an artificial ugly remake of “Soviet people”, which is equal to the name of the nation “industrial” or “chemical-technological”. The Slavs were called "Russians" and introduced the Maidan count
        nationalities in the passport, planted indigenization, which exploded along with the Maidan federal structure in 1991.
        https://solovyeva.livejournal.com/348409.html

        At a reception in honor of the Victory, Stalin made a toast to the great Russian people and their patience. The moved marshal of the armored forces Pavel Rybalko approached him:
        - As you, Comrade Stalin, remarkably said about the Russian people! How do you Georgians know the Russian people so deeply?
        Stalin answered angrily:
        - I am not Georgian - I am Russian of Georgian descent!
        1. 0
          7 September 2022 23: 38
          Quote: Garik Gorkin
          - As you, Comrade Stalin, remarkably said about the Russian people! How do you Georgians know the Russian people so deeply?
          Stalin answered angrily:
          - I am not Georgian - I am Russian of Georgian descent!

          Everything is correct! The Russian people is historically a state that forms a GREAT people and an overwhelming majority among other peoples of the USSR / Russia.
          POWERFUL - this means caring for all the peoples of the country, as about their blood children, father and mother, and not only about the people of only one nationality.
          But this applies not only to the Russian people, but also to the peoples of other national minorities!
          And the Bolsheviks laid down privileges for Jews and national minorities with the violation of the national interests of the Russian people.

          I involuntarily remembered the meeting of the head of the Department for Migration of the Main Directorate of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia for St. Petersburg and the Leningrad Region and the head of the Department of the Federal Migration Service of Russia for St. Petersburg and the Leningrad Region about 4 years ago with Petersburgers who were not satisfied with the dominance of foreign migrants from Central Asia in the Russian market labor.
          The protesters themselves invite me to give a professional assessment and forecast for the future on this meeting of the leadership of St. Petersburg with their opponents.
          The situation was tense. People on edge. The work was very difficult.

          So, a member of the Public Council of St. Petersburg, Alexander Rosenbaum, came to a meeting with the indignant citizens. Those present greeted him with hostility. Almost completely off the case, they pecked.
          Only I managed to bring those present to their senses and stop the skirmish.

          You can hear my voice in the video below:
          1) to the public: "Quiet! Quiet!" , 2) "Well, wait!"
          3) Rosenbaum: "Excuse me, please!", 4) "Excuse me, please!", 5) "All wound up"!

          To which Alexander Rosembaum said:
          - You know, when people ask me who I am, I can tell you. I always say when journalists ask me: I am a Russian nationalist of Jewish nationality!
          This is a very GOOD answer!

          Rosenbaum: I am a Russian nationalist of Jewish nationality.
        2. +1
          8 September 2022 08: 28
          "Putin: "There were no Russians before the 9th century" speech at a meeting on human rights 10.12.19/0/9!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skXNUMXAXNUMXyQymqE
    2. + 13
      6 September 2022 07: 27
      It becomes obvious that the title of "Ukrainian" is claimed by people who have not just different, but opposite and even irreconcilable views.

      Well, where are these right Ukrainians? Why don't they give up en masse? Enough already to live in illusions, we remember how at the initial stage of the Second World War, ours also wondered why, class close, the German proletariat did not surrender en masse to the Red Army.
      1. + 10
        6 September 2022 08: 10
        Yes, according to eyewitnesses, in the summer of 1941 there were political instructors who urged not to shoot at German soldiers, as allegedly "this is the German proletariat, duped by Hitler's propaganda and forcibly driven into the army." History teaches that it teaches nothing. In 1920, they also relied on the Polish proletariat, but in the end they received from the Poles in such a way that they had to give them the western parts of Ukraine and Belarus. In the same way, in 1939 they hoped for the Finnish proletarians, as a result they got half a year of a bloody hardest war and about 150 thousand were only killed on the Soviet side.
    3. +1
      6 September 2022 10: 03


      Find ten differences in these pictures...
    4. +5
      6 September 2022 12: 51
      Quote: Comrade
      They tried so hard to kill the Russian in themselves that they killed the man in themselves.

      1. +1
        7 September 2022 09: 51
        She probably doesn’t know the meaning of the word on her belly.) But isn’t it photoshop?
        1. 0
          7 September 2022 10: 20
          No, I checked. Not photoshop. laughing
      2. +1
        8 September 2022 09: 19
        when you get smart...
        1. -1
          9 September 2022 14: 37
          Never, it's innate
    5. +3
      6 September 2022 17: 51
      "Ukraine is a typical loser country"
      now the whole world is supplying ukraine with weapons, that is, they have the whole world in allies. so what about the losers?
  2. + 11
    6 September 2022 04: 56
    Ukraine is not Russia.

    Mikhail Zadornov: "Ukraine has run into Kuchma"
    1. +1
      7 September 2022 14: 01
      Who did we run into?
      1. 0
        7 September 2022 15: 07
        Quote: frog
        who did you get into?

        In comprador capitalism with a bureaucratic tinge.
        1. 0
          7 September 2022 15: 13
          And what did the wisest Zadornov say about this?
          1. 0
            8 September 2022 00: 37
            Quote: frog
            talked about this?

            He talked a lot, like: "Everything is like in a zone, everything is because of money" ...
  3. + 17
    6 September 2022 05: 07
    Nationalism in a multi-ethnic country is a burning fuse bomb. It will tear the country to shreds, which is what we are seeing.
    1. +5
      6 September 2022 09: 47
      Quote: Popenko
      Nationalism in a multi-ethnic country is a burning fuse bomb. It will tear the country to shreds, which is what we are seeing.

      They are not Nazis at all!
      Hundreds of times my Kyiv coryphanists have explained this to me.
      But I saw something else...
      1. +1
        6 September 2022 18: 45
        I saw absolutely the same in the pictures of students from the Russian march in Moscow .. and what does this say about all Russians?
        1. 0
          7 September 2022 09: 54
          Have you seen such actions in our educational institutions?
          1. +1
            7 September 2022 12: 02
            but is it important, the very presence of fascists among the students or their location on the ground? if in the photo, they were standing on the square, does this change something? especially in the photo of Lviv, it’s not difficult to find them there at all ..
  4. + 14
    6 September 2022 05: 28
    Respect to the author of the article. It is very important to find the origins of all the nightmare that is happening in Ukraine. But it is also important to remember that it was Grushevsky who introduced the concept of the so-called "Rus-Ukraine" as the sole successor of the so-called "Kievan Rus". Thus, Ukrainian nationalism became nothing more than unfulfilled imperial ambitions. "Yes, when OUR Kyiv was already golden-domed, frogs were still croaking in your Moksha swamps!" - these are the arguments presented to me by the most Russian-speaking "patriots of Ukraine". This is nothing but ENVY. And on this basis - hatred.
    1. + 12
      6 September 2022 06: 26
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      I stopped respecting Kuchma as a politician and as a person after his reaction to the death of my fellow countrymen in a plane shot down by a Ukrainian missile.
      He is a scoundrel and a scoundrel... 999 tests.
      After they burned people in the House of Trade Unions and the Ukrainian state approved this, I stopped respecting Ukraine as a state.
      Such a Ukrainian entity has no right to exist... you can't call a concentration camp called Ukraine a state... definitely it should disappear into oblivion.
      And finally... The Armed Forces of Ukraine ordered 200 sets of winter military uniforms from their sponsors... there is something to think about in terms of prospects for hostilities with the Ukronats. what

      Thank you. I also thought that it would not be superfluous to look back into the past.
    2. +6
      6 September 2022 07: 53
      Quote: Pavel73
      it was Grushevsky who introduced the concept of the so-called "Rus-Ukraine",

      By the way, Grushevsky never considered himself president. And there is not a single document where he would sign as president, only "Chairman of the Supreme Assembly."
      It should also be noted that in Ukraine they did not disdain terrorist acts already at that time. For example, Chernovol, who was a nationalist, but stood up specifically for the federal structure of Ukraine. They set up an accident and did not blink an eye.
    3. 0
      6 September 2022 08: 12
      Quote: Pavel73
      Thus, Ukrainian nationalism became nothing more than unfulfilled imperial ambitions.

      Where can swineherds in the hundredth generation get imperial ambitions?
      1. + 11
        6 September 2022 08: 38
        Quote: Luminman
        Where can swineherds in the hundredth generation get imperial ambitions?

        From an inferiority complex, the swineherds envied the lords and wanted "panuvats" themselves. The anthem of Ukraine alone is worth something, each line is pierced by an inferiority complex.
        1. +5
          6 September 2022 08: 48
          From the language removed!
          1. +6
            6 September 2022 10: 42
            Me too ! This is the whole servile essence. Remember the so-called. "Saltychikha", a former serf "girl", who suddenly became a "lady" by chance. Even the court of tsarist Russia was forced to recognize her atrocities and mockery of serfs. Also "panuvala" ... in its understanding.
            1. +2
              7 September 2022 09: 56
              Saltychikha, in my opinion, was a noblewoman by birth, from a fairly well-known family.
              1. +1
                7 September 2022 14: 30
                namesake.
                “So that they don’t write about the Age of Enlightenment in Russia, mores were tough in the 18th century. Serfdom meant that the peasant was the thing of the master, and no one saw anything particularly terrible in his tortures. her namesake) wore a wig. But with sentimentality characteristic of ladies, she was afraid that this sad fact would be found out in society. And she found a way out quite natural for those times. She kept a serf hairdresser in a cage near her bed. Three years. And there were such atrocities many that they even ceased to be considered atrocities.To become famous as a villain, and even go down in history, you had to try hard.

                Daria Saltykova succeeded."
                https://www.kp.ru/putevoditel/interesnye-fakty/saltychikha/
        2. +3
          6 September 2022 10: 31
          Quote: Netomsky
          From an inferiority complex, the swineherds envied the lords and wanted "panuvats" themselves.

          But from a slave, a sir will not work.
          1. +7
            6 September 2022 11: 07
            But other lackeys will not seem enough. And this is the dream of a serf. Get moral satisfaction superiority over other lackeys.
          2. +2
            6 September 2022 18: 08
            "But from a serf, a sir will not work"
            but they don't know about it. that's why they strive to panuvate
          3. -1
            7 September 2022 09: 11
            Vlad, but the serfs don't know about this! Just like the former ardent communist, and now ardent Banderite Farion and others like her, who scream about some "sing-song language", but in fact - "surzhyk", which the Poles-gentry have imposed on them so that this herd would understand at least a little bit of their language at the everyday level, don't know.
            1. 0
              8 September 2022 10: 36
              and how the Belarusian language appeared, you won’t say where the letter I from the Russian language has gone, and in general tell your version in the villages of the Krasnodar, Stavropol Territory and Rostov Region.
              1. +1
                8 September 2022 19: 20
                I don't know about Rostov Oblast, but Krasnodar and Stavropol Krai - that's fine. My mother is from Kuban, a Kuban Cossack. All my relatives are still there (those who are alive, their children and now grandchildren). As a kid, I visited my relatives there almost every summer, in different villages - Kavkazskaya, Temizhbekskaya... Maybe I'll tell you my version, "couch potato", huh?
                1. 0
                  9 September 2022 06: 11
                  why do I need your family tree, I have relatives in the Rostov village and what language they speak, I know. But you don’t seem to understand what the conversation is about.
                  1. 0
                    9 September 2022 07: 24
                    I understand everything, what is the purpose of your "crap" about the villages. The conversation is over.
  5. +6
    6 September 2022 05: 36
    Quote: Popenko
    Tearing the country to shreds, which we are seeing

    It's good that it will break ... There is no need to interfere with this!
  6. + 19
    6 September 2022 05: 40
    I stopped respecting Kuchma as a politician and as a person after his reaction to the death of my fellow countrymen in a plane shot down by a Ukrainian missile.
    He is a scoundrel and a scoundrel... 999 tests.
    After they burned people in the House of Trade Unions and the Ukrainian state approved this, I stopped respecting Ukraine as a state.
    Such a Ukrainian entity has no right to exist... you can't call a concentration camp called Ukraine a state... definitely it should disappear into oblivion.
    And finally... The Armed Forces of Ukraine ordered 200 sets of winter military uniforms from their sponsors... there is something to think about in terms of prospects for hostilities with the Ukronats. what
    1. -2
      6 September 2022 06: 51
      So at least half of the APU will not get it, they will plunder it. And the fact that it was ordered is understandable for another two weeks, and oh, how it will be needed at the front, to be more precise, it is already needed now.
      1. +1
        6 September 2022 07: 16
        Quote: Alexey Sedykin
        So half of at least the APU will not get, they will plunder

        Sponsors just announced that they will pay half the order smile... fool each other ... deceive a passerby who looks like you.
  7. + 29
    6 September 2022 05: 49
    I was 32 years old when the USSR collapsed. Now, after the same amount of time has passed, I conclude that the majority of the USSR population was meanly and cynically deceived by the elites. If you read the documents on the formation of the CIS, it turns out that almost nothing (!) was accomplished. Simply put, almost 300 million people were blatantly and cynically screwed.

    Until this issue is resolved and the very fact of the illegal dissolution of the USSR is condemned, there will be an ideological basis for new conflicts in the post-Soviet space.

    And Ukraine? What about Ukraine? If Russia hasn't yet managed to give it at least some new model for the future? "Fight while they're still available at the front"? Several tens of millions of people in Russia have roots in Ukraine. We need to call things by their proper names: if Russians and Ukrainians are one people, then this is a civil war. And whoever offers a better future will win it. Look at the history of 100 years ago.
    1. +3
      6 September 2022 05: 59
      Until this issue is brought to an end, and the very fact of the illegal dissolution of the USSR is condemned, there will be an ideological basis for more and more conflicts in the post-Soviet space.

      The end was put with Gorbachev's funeral... the era of betrayal and hypocrisy is buried in the ground under the sauce of democracy and freedom of peoples.
      All those who owe him their rise above the rest of the world wept over this corpse.
      Ukraine itself cannot offer its citizens an alternative... except for Bandera ideology and the prospect of destroying those who do not agree with it, it has nothing.
      1. +3
        6 September 2022 08: 31
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        The end was put with the funeral of Gorbachev ...

        He was accompanied by a flurry of ridicule at the grave,
        Some laughed just madly.
        And only I, only I alone sobbed.
        I so dreamed of seeing him hanged.
        ©Stanislav Shustov
        1. +7
          6 September 2022 09: 44
          Quote: Boris55

          He was accompanied by a flurry of ridicule at the grave,
          Some laughed just madly.
          And only I, only I alone sobbed.
          I so dreamed of seeing him hanged.
          ©Stanislav Shustov

          And who is "©Stanislav Shustov" and what does he have to do with Hilaire Belloc's quatrain, written in 1925? hi
          original:
          Here richly, with ridiculous display,
          The Politician's corpse was laid away.
          While all of his acquaintance sneered and slanged
          I wept: for I had longed to hang him.
          1. +1
            6 September 2022 11: 29
            Marshak's version is even better than the original in poetic terms, although, of course, it can only be called a translation with a big stretch.
            It's like Lermontov's translation of Goethe's poem - it's not easy to find a hint of the original there.
            1. -1
              9 September 2022 14: 47
              So then Samuil Yakovlevich .... Such personalities (in professional terms)) are a rarity. After him .... other translations are sad to read
      2. + 12
        6 September 2022 08: 34
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        The end was put with Gorbachev's funeral... the era of betrayal and hypocrisy is buried in the ground under the sauce of democracy and freedom of peoples.
        All those who owe him their rise above the rest of the world wept over this corpse.

        They cried so much "over the corpse" that all Russian media outlets brought it to the front page, especially Kiselev, who managed to insert his interview with Gorbachev. At the same time (and this was on September 3) on the Russia-1 channel, no one mentioned Victory Day over Japan, other channels as well, with the exception of Solovyov, who was disliked by many.
        1. 0
          6 September 2022 10: 34
          Quote: tihonmarine
          So wept "over the corpse" that ...

          All the traitors of Russia were noted ... though their flow to their idol dried up by lunchtime. This more than clearly showed the attitude of the people towards the clan of traitors, which was personified by the humpbacked...

          In Ukraine and not only:
          "Every system has the ability to develop or at least survive if its resource capabilities are higher or at least equal to the pressure of the environment. The lack of resource capabilities should be compensated by improving the quality of management."
          — rule Enough of the general theory of control (DOTU).

          This management is built on the basis of the people's culture. If there is no statehood in the people's culture, then such competencies are provided to it by the one who possesses them. Ukraine and other republics, having left the protection of Russian civilization, immediately fell into the clutches of Western civilization.

          If in Russian civilization every people has the opportunity to develop their culture, use their native language and teach their children in it, has equal opportunities for career growth in the management of a common state, then in Western civilization this is in principle not provided for and is not permissible.
    2. +9
      6 September 2022 07: 12
      I completely agree about the Civil War, I myself am a Siberian, but my roots are from Ukraine and Poland, my father-in-law was from the Vinnitsa region, I have a lot of friends who have relatives in Ukraine, I don’t know how Ukrainians can not be considered a brotherly people, and when I see footage of Russians killing Russians feel sick
      1. -1
        6 September 2022 11: 25
        Quote: HaByxoDaBHocep
        I don’t know how Ukrainians can not be considered a fraternal people, and when I see footage of Russians killing Russians, it becomes nauseating

        Nazism is a cancerous tumor of the 20th century, which can make Nazis out of any nation and it cannot be cured, it can only be destroyed, even if it is very painful.
  8. + 14
    6 September 2022 06: 18
    Speaking about the roots of the “Ukrainian Cossacks”, one cannot fail to mention what it represented in the XNUMXth-XNUMXth centuries.


    By the way, the Cossacks had such a tradition. After the Poles satisfied the demands of the "rebels", and most often this was inclusion in the register, i.e. to live for free, the "rebels" handed over their leaders to be executed by the Poles. And there was another tradition, any uprising began with Jewish pogroms and the burning of debt books in taverns.
  9. +4
    6 September 2022 06: 37
    Quote: avia12005
    I was 32 years old when the USSR collapsed. Now, after the same amount of time has passed, I conclude that the majority of the USSR population was meanly and cynically deceived by the elites. If you read the documents about the formation of the CIS, it turns out... .

    This is deceit... "We were fast asleep and knew nothing..." when in front of the country's eyes in October 1993 not just the "White House" was shot up, as they are now hypocritical. But the All-Russian Congress of People's Deputies.

    And regarding the CIS documents - their assessment and the Belovezh Accords were given by the State Duma of the Russian Federation in March 1996. In the year of Yeltsin's second election, he and his deeds were officially declared criminal. And the Belovezh Accords - illegitimate...

    Everyone knew everything and they are completely tainted. And they are paying for everything in full. And as for the fact that you were 32 years old - this is in some way a symbol!

    The ancient Jews betrayed Christ when He was 33, and 33 years later the Jewish war with Rome began. And in 5 years not a stone was left of Judea, as they had predicted. Although then there were also many prophets who predicted a great future for the country. Well, now let's see what we will have in 2024...
    1. + 11
      6 September 2022 07: 40
      Quote: ivan2022
      Everyone knew everything and was completely messed up.

      Let's not be foolish either.
      There were demonstrations and rallies in defense of the USSR throughout the country, and in defense of the Armed Forces, although in fact it was already bourgeois. Also, the population of the entire Union had its say in the 1991 Referendum, everyone hoped for a strong PEOPLE'S power, not understanding that the people's power had already ended, which was used by the "perestroika" to manipulate the consciousness of the Soviet people, achieving their goal, which we are now "slurping" with large ladles.
      One example from my life. Being in Moscow in the early 90s, I observed the following picture. Thousands of lines to the opened McDonald's and no one to the Mausoleum of V.I. Lenin ....
      Could this have been imagined before Gorbachev came to power?
      Even then I realized the scribe came to the country!
      And now explain to me what I had to do personally against the opportunists who seized power, the country and the minds of people?
      Which even now continue to steer, watering everything Soviet with slop, realizing that by doing so they are pouring water on the mill of small-town nationalism. So how do our home-grown "Kuchma" differ from the Ukrainian Kuchma?
      Nothing! Ideological twin brothers.
  10. +1
    6 September 2022 06: 39
    But they didn't say the most important thing... That the first president of Ukraine, Kravchuk, was an ideological Banderite. And it was a shame they didn't put up the video from 92 with Sobchak, he speaks very harshly about Ukraine there. These two short videos would have been just right here.
    1. +8
      6 September 2022 06: 49
      Dear commentators, can you think logically???? Who destroyed the country for which our ancestors died. Who shouted "capitalism save us", who tore down the monument to Dzerzhinsky, who banned the Communist Party, who closed the mausoleum on VICTORY DAY, in short, who did what the fascists failed to do and showed an example to all the "younger brothers"??? That is, now the Vlasovites should be rehabilitated, because before you they tried to do what you so persistently sought and did, because they even walked under the same flag. "Yeltsin's speech in the US Congress in 1992" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uACsKQAxTXU
      1. -8
        6 September 2022 07: 37
        And what does Boriska and the Vlasovites have to do with it?
        1. +5
          6 September 2022 10: 57
          And here's what...
          1. -7
            6 September 2022 11: 09
            We are talking about Ukraine ... or is it all the same just to blurt out yours? For this, they can also solder a penalty.
          2. -2
            6 September 2022 20: 56
            neudiwitelno Elcyn amerikanskij kolaborant zadnicoliz
      2. -1
        6 September 2022 20: 55
        cus nesete KPRF dejstwujet nikt ej k sozalenju ne zapretil takije komunisty kak wy swobodnyje i proagandoj zanimajutsa
        katorga w kandalah i wiselica wsem komunistom budet w Rosji porjadok
  11. +3
    6 September 2022 06: 50
    For the Nazis of Ukraine, the word "Ukrainian" sounds the same as the word "Aryan" sounded in Germany. The current century has given us a surprise. Everyone is ill with their exclusivity. It could not be otherwise. syakie. But the fact that they threw on all the social. countries, done in good faith. Whatever reasons we are looking for.
    1. 0
      6 September 2022 09: 54
      Quote: nikvic46
      For the Nazis of Ukraine, the word "Ukrainian" sounds the same as the word "Aryan" sounded in Germany.

      Yeah, and they firmly believed in it.
      Such a simple wedding in Svinland:
    2. +6
      6 September 2022 11: 33
      Everyone got sick of their exclusivity.

      And so many commentators have not been spared by this disease either.
      The very protrusion of nationalities is already indicative.
  12. + 16
    6 September 2022 06: 53
    At the time of the collapse of the USSR, I was 5 years old, naturally, at that age I could not fully understand what was happening, and even more so, there could be no question of giving any assessment to the events and actions of certain political figures.
    In the light of the ongoing events, many of my fellow citizens of my age and younger may be asked the question - what did happen then? What was it? When did it start and, most importantly, did Russia and Ukraine have a chance for a different development of events?
    It was pure betrayal, and there is no need to rack your brains. In 79 I went to a vocational school, lived in a dorm, there were a lot of guys, including from the Kharkov region, Cherkasy region. In 82 I was drafted into the SA, training, there were also guys from the Zhitomir region, Khmelnitsky, after the service I worked with men, also from those parts. And here's what I'll say, in those distant times, they didn't know who Grushevsky, Dontsov and similar figures were. Yes, they remembered Banderites and all the other riffraff with bad words. There is absolutely no difference between Ukrainians, Russians, Belarusians noPeople got married, had children, and moved all over the Union. And everyone considered themselves Russian. But then Gorbachev appeared, marked by Satan, and the winds of nationalism swept across the country. Popular fronts appeared, and all sorts of Rukhs...
    Literally all the peoples of the USSR started talking about their exclusivity from the Russians. We are different, that's all you could hear. And then more, and it wasn't Kuchma who was in charge there, he just kept quiet at that time, they had Kravchuk there. Yeltsin appeared in the Russian Federation and also started talking, but not about the Russians, but about how everyone would run away, life in Russia would become better. True, he didn't specify ... to whom? And the state of Ukraine appeared when these two figures recognized the independence of the two republics, shaking hands.
    This is where you need to look for the root of all current problems.
    1. +2
      6 September 2022 07: 15
      On March 17, the host of the FIRST CHANNEL INFORMATION PROGRAM said that everything that is happening in Ukraine is the result of the collapse of the union, and the supply of weapons is the result of the collapse of the Warsaw Pact, but he did not explain how one can become the heir to the parents whom he himself killed.
    2. -1
      6 September 2022 11: 12
      Come on, they didn’t know ... considering a hundred of all Banderlogs were rehabilitated even under Khrushchev, they knew perfectly well.
      1. +1
        6 September 2022 13: 29
        and Vlasovtsev too "Nikita Sergeyevich Khrushchev was born in 1894 in the village of Kalinovka, Olkhovskaya volost, Dmitrievsky district, Kursk province (now the Khomutovsky district of the Kursk region) in the family of a miner Sergei Nikanorovich Khrushchev (d. 1938) and Xenia Ivanovna Khrushcheva (1872-1945) Three years later, the younger sister Irina Sergeevna Khrushcheva (married Kobyak) (1897-1961)[9] was born. Russian origin is noted in memoirs, speeches[10] and personal data[11][12][13]; noted that by the time he was appointed to work in the Ukrainian SSR, he did not speak Ukrainian, which is why he opposed translation[14]." - Wikipedia.
        1. -4
          6 September 2022 16: 38
          Just the Vlasovites, unlike the Ukrainian and Baltic Natsiks, if they were released, then without rehabilitation. And there is no need to write a biography of Khrushch here. I know her myself.
          1. 0
            7 September 2022 04: 58
            Quote: Alexey Sedykin
            Just the Vlasovites, unlike the Ukrainian and Baltic Natsiks, if they were released, then without rehabilitation.

            Why talk nonsense. What rehabilitation? Which of the enemy accomplices, traitors to the Motherland were rehabilitated? Rehabilitation is 1. Restoration of honor, reputation of a wrongly accused or discredited person. 2. Restoration (by court or administrative procedure) of previous rights. This term does not apply to traitors, accomplices, not at all, we need to understand the topic. There was an amnesty, something completely different ....
            The Soviet government was kind, it gave the opportunity to atone for guilt not with blood, but with labor on construction sites of the national economy. Despite the groans of liberals about the bloody NKVD, the merciless Gebna, etc., it was not possible to check all displaced persons during the war for cooperation with the occupation authorities. In the period from 1941 to 1945, 34,5 million people were drafted into the Red Army! Plus, about 70 million Soviet citizens ended up in the territories occupied by Nazi Germany and its allies. About 3 million were in Nazi Germany for forced labor as Ostarbeiters. How many investigators do you need to have to check at least half a million people for cooperation with the Germans? And the punishers, as a rule, did not leave witnesses alive. So, in the post-war years, the authorities had to look for all sorts of bastards in the vast expanses of the USSR in order to give them what they deserved, according to their deeds. So, there was no talk of any rehabilitation. War crimes have no statute of limitations.
            1. -4
              7 September 2022 13: 19
              Read carefully the text ... what you yourself brought. There it is rehabilitation, that is, the removal of a criminal record and the return of all rights. Amnesty is just a release from prison.
              1. 0
                7 September 2022 19: 29
                Quote: Alexey Sedykin
                Read carefully the text ... what you yourself brought. There it is rehabilitation, that is, the removal of a criminal record and the return of all rights. Amnesty is just a release from prison.

                It does not reach what is the difference between rehabilitation and amnesty. [quote6. To remove a criminal record and loss of rights from citizens exempted from punishment on the basis of this Decree.

                Remove conviction and loss of rights from persons previously convicted and served sentences for the crimes listed in Art. 1 of this Decree.][/quote] This is not rehabilitation. For what rehabilitation implies, see above.
      2. +1
        7 September 2022 10: 03
        They were amnestied and not rehabilitated, these are different things.
        1. -4
          7 September 2022 13: 20
          That's exactly what's different. Amnesty does not mean the removal of a criminal record and the return of all rights. And that is exactly what was done.
          1. 0
            8 September 2022 06: 15
            Quote: Alexey Sedykin
            That's exactly what's different. Amnesty does not mean the removal of a criminal record and the return of all rights. And that is exactly what was done.

            For those who don't understand. Rehabilitation is different from amnesty and pardon. Under the amnesty, persons were legally convicted of a crime in accordance with the requirements of the Criminal Code, and the sentence against them is legal. The use of amnesty in this case is explained by considerations of humanity. During rehabilitation, a person has been convicted or brought to criminal liability illegally. Rehabilitation serves as an act of social justice Amnesty and pardon are not judicial acts, but acts of a state-legal nature. They are adopted by the highest bodies of state power and administration. In contrast, rehabilitation is carried out by the bodies or officials who made the decision, or by the prosecutor's office, court.
            1. -3
              8 September 2022 07: 02
              What are you? How many of us have been rehabilitated under political articles, moreover, convicted on completely legal grounds. You do not interfere with politics and criminality. With an amnesty, the criminal record stamp remains the same as due to this restriction. For Banderlog and the Balts, all restrictions were lifted, as well as the restoration of all rights and compensation to them ... so no, no, rehabilitation was just applied to them.
  13. +7
    6 September 2022 06: 54
    First, we need to determine whose “yoke” all the republics threw off when they proclaimed their independence.
    1. +4
      6 September 2022 07: 19
      look at the results of the referendum.
      1. +3
        6 September 2022 07: 37
        "I know for sure: we have ruined the country" L. Kuchma October 27, 1992.
        1. +3
          6 September 2022 10: 38
          "Sazhi Umalatov demands Gorbachev's resignation" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qi4hXv66URU
  14. +7
    6 September 2022 06: 56
    At the time of the collapse of the USSR, I was 5 years old
    And I'm 37 and I was fully aware of what was happening and guessed what it could lead to. And with regard to Ukraine, after the first Maidan in 2004, it became clear that these people would still have to take a sip of grief.
    At the same time we must be very careful in the current realities with the word "Ukrainian"
    In fact, a Russian person, and especially an internationalist born in the USSR by nature. But with all this, he perfectly understands who is who and what he is. Therefore, it is not necessary to warn once again with a significant face.
  15. +1
    6 September 2022 07: 00
    The question is, did Kuchma himself write everything in his book?
    1. +4
      6 September 2022 09: 42
      Quote: Andrey VOV
      The question is, did Kuchma himself write everything in his book?

      When I was preparing the article, it turned out to be 25 pages of text - bust. A lot had to be cut out.
      Kuchma did not hide the fact that he was "helped", and by a decent number of "co-authors". At the same time, he takes full responsibility for what he wrote. I got the impression that yes, he was not the only one writing. For example, I remember how surprised I was when I read the lines about how all the figures of the past on both sides were already dead and there was no point in stirring up old grievances. Although before that, the texts were full of tearful connotations regarding historical injustice towards Ukrainians, etc. And there are quite a few such minor inconsistencies.
      1. -2
        6 September 2022 20: 44
        if you are a Ukrainian, you will be sentenced to hard labor for your ideological diversion
  16. +4
    6 September 2022 07: 01
    Thank you for the article. Well written, beautiful and persuasive. The author of twenty pluses.
  17. +7
    6 September 2022 07: 13
    Quote from uyrii
    dear commentators, can you think logically ???? who ruined the country for which our ancestors died. who yelled "capitalism save us", who demolished the monument to Dzerzhinsky, who banned the Communist Party, .....

    By the way, the author very successfully drew a parallel with Hitler's main opus.

    How do modern "patriots", both Ukrainian and Russian, differ from Hitler? After all, they spit on the USSR in exactly the same way. They also extol capitalism and the "free market".

    The difference is that Hitler, as a nationalist, is consistent. He is smarter than our contemporary commentators. He does not stop at spitting on the USSR, but takes another step: "If the Russians cannot, are not capable of creating a full-fledged, normal statehood, we must help them by taking upon ourselves their leadership."

    Kuchma does not undertake to lead Russia, but as a small-scale Fuhrer he talks about his separate statehood. And only the "Russian patriots", like half-wits, are left high and dry with their senseless hatred of the "failed State on its own territory".

    No nation has the right to spit on the achievements and labors of its ancestors. This activity ends in death.
    1. +6
      6 September 2022 07: 40
      Kuchma does not undertake to lead Russia, but as a small-scale Fuhrer he talks about his own separate statehood.
      And how many such Kuchmas are on the territory of the former USSR
  18. -1
    6 September 2022 07: 23
    The great Soviet people was born in the Russian Empire, they wanted to kill him, but he will live for centuries
    1. -2
      6 September 2022 20: 41
      This nation was filled with joy when they saw the USSR on their sofas in front of the TV screens and did not resist the enemy. This nation was not great in the shameful trust that many consumers had become. The Russian nation spent five years in the country for the new and future Russian Empire.
  19. +2
    6 September 2022 07: 49
    To put it briefly, the difference between Russian and NOT Russian nationalists comes down to one thing.

    It is NOT Russians who say that: "problems with statehood in the USSR and the Russian Empire or the Russian Federation were because of the Russians, who, no matter what they do, will destroy everything and bring it to the point of absurdity." Therefore, it seems that one should stay away from the Russians.

    And the "Russian patriots" are left high and dry, and begin strange chants about "mines laid by Marx and Lenin", about Jews, cunning Ukrainians, Asians, etc., who robbed us and we always suffered from everyone, and we naively freed them to our own detriment... Which is immediately interpreted by these "everyone" as self-admission of inferiority.
    1. +4
      6 September 2022 08: 20
      And all this is written and said by the enemies of the USSR, who divided the USSR among themselves against the will of the majority of voters on the territory of the USSR in March 1991, who for 30 years have not been able to create a single normal State from the republics of the USSR they captured, and therefore they compose “historical” myths.
      They slandered the Soviet period; from the pre-revolutionary period, some said “Russia fed the whole world before the communists,” while others said “the Ukrainians dug up the Black Sea.”
      All enemies of the USSR who captured the national republics of the USSR have the same myths about how they had their own States, but first the Russians occupied and oppressed them, then the Bolsheviks occupied and oppressed them again, and they themselves “fought for independence” for centuries, and specifically on the territory of the republics of the USSR they captured.
      1. +3
        6 September 2022 09: 48
        Quote: tatra
        All enemies of the USSR who seized the national republics of the USSR have the same myths that they had their own States, but at first the Russians occupied and spread rot

        But in reality, only a few of them moved from a tribal to a tribal system (Lithuania, Georgia, Armenia are an exception). The same Ukraine, after the Mongol-Tatar invasion, did not create statehood, but no longer even had a tribal system. And after the collapse of the USSR, having acquired "independence", Ukraine tried to create a state from scratch, but it did not work out. She, as after the Mongol-Tatar yoke, fell into the hands of the West and became its colony.
  20. +6
    6 September 2022 08: 00
    However, the greatest hatred, not theoretical, but purely physiological, in us is caused not so much by the image of a predatory and insidious mondialist somewhere far away, but by the image of our own, Kyiv or Lvov swineherd.

    In this quote, the images of the "Kyiv or Lviv swineherd" are not even close. If the Kiev swineherd after 1654 was under the influence of the Russian Empire, then the Lviv swineherd for about 700 years was under the influence of the Austrian Empire and Poland. This is the difference in the views and mentalities of these swineherds, and the latter have not changed these views, or rather their identity, to this day. And at the same time, some Kyiv swineherds were once singled out by Poland from among "all animals are equal" into the caste of Cossacks, who were in the hands of the Polish lords, like a punishing sword, but did not have the rights of a Pole, and at the same time among the Lviv swineherds there was no such caste. Lviv, or rather all Western Ukrainian, were under the rule of Austria, which harshly implanted in the minds of Western Ukrainians, the superiority of the Austrians over the Ukrainians. And all this had an impact on the following years, after the annexation of Western Ukraine to the USSR and what we received after the collapse of the Union, especially the former Ukrainian SSR.
    1. +2
      6 September 2022 08: 08
      "all animals are equal"

      In the post-war period, in the USSR, all "swineherds", both Kyiv and Lvov, were united into one single state. However, they all, as they were "swineherds", have remained so.

      Mentality s ...
    2. 0
      7 September 2022 10: 24
      I will not say about earlier history, but, starting from the middle of the 19th century, the Austrian Germans took a defensive position and did not think about any assimilation of other peoples of Austria. But the Hungarians, both before and after the transformation of the country into a two-pronged Austro-Hungarian Empire, were actively engaged in the Magyarization of the ethnic groups living with them.
  21. BAI
    +8
    6 September 2022 08: 54
    and "according to Leonid Bykov".

    There are almost none left according to Bykov. Only war veterans and their relatives
  22. 0
    6 September 2022 09: 23
    About the radicals.
    There is a joke.
    "Girl, could you love a radical?
    - For WHAT? "
  23. -1
    6 September 2022 09: 37
    In general, do not be afraid to read this book. I've read. Half of the content of the book actually refutes the thesis "Ukraine is not Russia" in its title.
    Kuchma writes honestly on the whole, not hiding moments that are inconvenient for Ukrainians. What is worth only the phrase of the author "for the hundredth time I regret that the Ukrainian writer Gogol wrote only in Russian."
    Almost half of the book is a very unsuccessful and generally unconvincing argument in favor of the fact that "Ukrainians are a separate people, and not just an ethnographic group of the Russian people."
    Well, a small part of the book is devoted to the personal memoirs of the author and his political views.

    In general, if you change the title of the book to "Ukraine is Russia", then the content can hardly be changed. Unless, taking into account current events (the book was written in 2003), remove Kuchma's story about how "Ukraine and Russia divorced peacefully and without bloodshed."
    1. -2
      6 September 2022 11: 06
      An attempt by a homosexual to prove to himself that he is not like that.
  24. +1
    6 September 2022 09: 44
    Quote: ivan2022
    Kuchma does not undertake to lead Russia, but as a small-scale Fuhrer he talks about his own separate statehood.

    The Fuhrer not only interpreted, but raised the German economy.
    And in Ukraine...and what about Ukraine? Look at the state of the railway industry, the aviation industry and the energy industry for yourself. But they interpreted it as beautiful.
    1. -7
      6 September 2022 10: 46
      Ranking of countries in the world by standard of living 2021

      Source: https://basetop.ru/rejting-stran-mira-po-urovnyu-zhizni-2021/ Ukraine-59th place, Russia-67th.
      1. +2
        6 September 2022 12: 16
        Ukraine-59th place, Russia-67th.
        I saw similar ratings where Estonia was ahead of Britain and Belgium in terms of living standards laughing , being in the top ten with Switzerland and Denmark. I went to Ukraine before covid because it was cheaper than spending a weekend in London.
        1. -2
          6 September 2022 13: 15
          claims to yourself - you write it yourself https://basetop.ru/r
    2. -1
      6 September 2022 11: 06
      And if he had agreed with Vissarionych, then in general a respected person would have remained in history. He returned the historical German lands taken by France, reunited Germany with Austria. And Austria, as it were, literally calls itself the Eastern Reich. And no one would remember about the Jews. German internal affairs.
      1. -1
        6 September 2022 20: 22
        wam na etu temu prdlagaju roman socinit iz zanra alternatiwnaja istoria
    3. 0
      6 September 2022 18: 26
      "And in Ukraine ... and what about Ukraine? Look at the state of the railway industry, the aviation industry and the energy industry for yourself. But they interpreted how beautifully."
      there is quite enough energy in Ukraine, it even goes for export, thanks to the union
  25. -3
    6 September 2022 10: 10
    According to Leonid Bykov, a Ukrainian is a Little Russian, and future generations, when reading the literature of the 20th century, or watching films of that time, will have to explain why quite positive characters who are for us call themselves Ukrainians.
  26. -1
    6 September 2022 11: 01
    Everything is correct, but after all, our leadership understood this too
  27. +2
    6 September 2022 11: 02
    but instead of trying to balance the contradictions by federalizing


    And it could not be balanced, because in this case the question would simply arise, why does everyone need such a country, and the Czechoslovak scenario would simply happen, only there could be not 2, but 3, or even more pieces. Society at that time was not yet so antagonistic as to solve its internal problems with tanks. And even after 2014, there were those among the Ukronats who believed that if the Donbass does not want to go to a bright future with them, then let them roll into their "Taiga Union".

    If we assume that there would be a breakup into 5 western regions, Novorossia and the center with Kyiv, then their further fate is clear, the Poles would quickly drive the Zapadentsev into a stall, and they would rather pick strawberries, as they do now, they would simply return to the state at the beginning In the 20th century, in Novorossiya, there would be no clear program of existence apart from Russia, it may not be very beneficial for the local oligarchy, but local politicians would have no choice. Kyiv, and whoever understands it, historical Little Russia itself, is hardly economically wealthy. There would be just a larger Moldova, in which, perhaps, someone would even speak Move.
  28. +1
    6 September 2022 11: 06
    There is one practical conclusion to all this. The political Ukrainian nation is now defined in relation to the victory of the USSR in 1945. Political Ukrainians are a nation of losers in that war.
    Accordingly, they will not accept the victory of Russia even now.
    1. -1
      6 September 2022 13: 20
      "There is still no exact list of Heroes of the Soviet Union during the years of the Great Patriotic War by nationality, but the official list is close to the truth: By national composition, the majority of the Heroes were Russians - 7998 people; there were 2021 Ukrainians, Belarusians - 299, Tatars - 161, Jews - 107, Kazakhs - 96, Georgians - 90, Armenians - 89, Uzbeks - 67, Mordvins - 63, Chuvash - 45, Azerbaijanis - 43, Bashkirs - 38, Ossetians - 31, Mari - 18, Turkmen - 16.
      1. -1
        6 September 2022 20: 18
        eta statistika odnostronna statistiku predatelej dobawit neobhodimo
        1. +1
          7 September 2022 06: 44
          what other statistics do you need - in each village, settlement, town and city of the occupied part of the USSR there were their own elders, policemen, burgomasters from among the local residents. Vlasov's army, which was the largest of all, the Lokot Republic, the Crimean Tatars, who at that time were Russians and studied patriotism in schools from Russian textbooks. is that not enough for you??? here's more - "In Memory of Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya" https://topwar.ru/189380-pamjati-zoi.html "At 7 o'clock in the evening on November 28, while trying to set fire to a barn, due to the noise raised by resident Sviridov, Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya was captured by the Germans..... Residents of two houses burned down on the night of November 27 - A. V. Smirnova and F. V. Solina - also took part in the periodic and prolonged beatings of the girl. By the way, Smirnova, apparently, "Unsatisfied with the beating of the unfortunate woman at night, she beat the scout's legs with a stick during the execution itself the next morning. For this, both of these women were subsequently convicted under Article 193 of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR for collaborationism and shot."
          1. -1
            7 September 2022 21: 05
            wy sensa ne ponjali statistyka predatelstwa po nacjonalnosti nuzna po mojemu % russkih predatelej minimalnyj ukrainskih>50%
            krymskije Tatary w CCCP scitalis nacmensynstwom ne russkimi predatelej u nih bylo ocen mnogoswyse 80% iz za etogo deportowany byli w 1944
          2. 0
            8 September 2022 20: 26
            Let's think about it: hundreds of thousands of peasants were sent to remote places, like kulaks. How were they supposed to fight in the Red Army? And if Zoya came to you and burned down your house, and you had no place to live in the winter, how would you react to that? Here Putin gave instructions to the Russian troops not to oppress Ukrainians, and Comrade Stalin decided to freeze everyone, including the population. Nevertheless, Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya is a hero and a patriot, but she carried out, to put it mildly, criminal orders.
            1. -1
              9 September 2022 06: 08
              not talking about her.
              1. -1
                9 September 2022 16: 33
                The conversation is about how nothing is simple and unambiguous. And nationalism is different. There is a radical fascist type, and there is a very moderate one, which simply assumes love for one's people, language, national culture and respect for other peoples.
  29. +1
    6 September 2022 11: 26
    I liked the article - competent, and most importantly, without emotional overshoots. I will also add, after reading the comments, that it is unlikely that the position of Lenin, Stalin, or anyone else a hundred years ago could seriously affect the emergence and rapid growth of Ukrainian nationalism. These processes started a long time ago, had the support of a part of the population in certain areas, and the fact that these processes sharply intensified and began to play an important role after the collapse of the Union determined the geopolitical situation in the 90s. The Americans relied on the nationalist movements on the borders of the former USSR, generously supplied them with money, provided political support - this is the main reason.
  30. +3
    6 September 2022 11: 53
    Speaking about the roots of the “Ukrainian Cossacks”, one cannot fail to mention what it was like in the XNUMXth-XNUMXth centuries. In fact, it was an association of Cossacks with primitive self-government bodies, successively replacing each other. The Cossacks constantly maneuvered between the larger external "players" in the region - the Russian Empire, Poland, Sweden, the Ottoman Empire, from conflict to conflict taking the side of one or the other.

    They were just looking for someone more profitable to lie down at this historical moment. And plus "local fascism", when the Cossacks considered themselves superior to the "swineherds".
    1. 0
      6 September 2022 13: 18
      and you, choosing Yeltsin TWO times, what were you looking for ??? "How Russian are Ukrainians? Analogy of betrayal"
  31. +2
    6 September 2022 13: 11
    Until 1990, there were no Ukrainians at all on the territory of present-day Ukraine (with the exception of Galicia and Transcarpathia). They did not live there, and they did not die. The proof is simple - the first graves in cemeteries with inscriptions in Ukrainian appeared only after 1990. And before that, they wrote on gravestones only in Russian. Why did it happen?
    1. +2
      6 September 2022 13: 24
      Poltava
      ...
      Quiet Ukrainian night.
      Transparent sky. Stars shine.
      Overcome your nap
      Doesn't want air. Tremble a little
      Read completely
      AuthorA. S. Pushkin 1828
  32. +2
    6 September 2022 13: 30
    Quote: Sovetskiy
    And now explain to me what I had to do personally against the opportunists who seized power, the country and the minds of people?
    Our people often like to show off, pretending to be "naive" and to whom it is necessary to explain things that in other nations even a child would understand.
    Well, I can explain, although it wasn't me who was asked. I wasn't going to McDonald's then, but to a protest. And I got hit on the back by a "democratizer" so hard that it took me a month to get back to normal. I got it from a "simple Russian guy in a police uniform."
    And then I understood, unlike you, Mr. "Soviet", that if a half-bandit, half-traitorous group can seize power over a people numbering about 300 million (!!! and that was the population of the USSR), then the history of this people is approximately the same as in K. Chukovsky's fairy tale "Cockroach". Only the end will be different. Not childish. And he will get exactly what he deserves. Even if he disappears, and that is what is happening - then it is right. There is no need for those who are not worthy to live on the earth to trample on it.
    1. -2
      6 September 2022 15: 38
      Are you talking about the Americans who are machine-gunned at rallies?
  33. 0
    6 September 2022 13: 59
    At the time of the collapse of the USSR, I was 5 years old, naturally, at that age I could not fully understand what was happening ...

    I do not pretend to absolutely anything and do not want to look like some kind of mentor. At the time of the collapse of the USSR, I was already finishing my service and passed the VVK for dismissal.
    Perhaps your subjective point of view will carry some truth - the truth of the thoughts of another person who wrote about it (made a film or told you much later).
    Over time, even the same narrator's views on the same events change. That's how nature works.
    You do not be offended, but still it is akin to your article:
  34. +2
    6 September 2022 14: 25
    Quote: Sovetskiy
    Quote: ivan2022
    Everyone knew everything and was completely messed up.

    Let's not be foolish either.
    There were demonstrations and rallies in defense of the USSR all over the country.

    There were weak demonstrations. If nothing could be done. So I wrote correctly that everyone was messed up ..... The army betrayed the Soviet oath, and now military pence are offended. Here's what happens if you don't cheat.

    I will tell you what we need to do.

    Here is what politician Yuri Boldyrev wrote: "If society is not capable of fighting traitors, if everyone is corrupt, we must surrender to those nations in the world where not everyone is corrupt. The Chinese, the Japanese and the Americans." Not everyone is corrupt among the Anglo-Saxons! In my opinion, he wrote it correctly?
    We need to lie less..
  35. -1
    6 September 2022 16: 38
    And Leonid Bykov was a SOVIET Ukrainian, and since Banderastan considers everything Soviet hostile, then Bykov and people like him are enemies for them. This once again confirms that there is a civil war between the heirs of the Ukrainian SSR and Banderva. The restoration of the Ukrainian SSR is unrealistic, as well as the USSR in which it was created, so forget the concept of the Ukrainian state. There will be Little Russia, period.
    1. 0
      7 September 2022 06: 46
      yes, even the mausoleum closes itself out of shame on Victory Day.
      1. -2
        7 September 2022 15: 21
        None of your cat business. This is our business.
        1. +2
          8 September 2022 06: 46
          but what about the "state-forming people" and the "elder brother" ??? where is the state for which it was responsible? and where is the guarantee that the "vector of movement" will not change again, like a weather vane.
    2. +1
      7 September 2022 10: 34
      True, in modern Ukraine they are trying to portray Leonid Bykov as a hidden Ukrainian nationalist and patriot. There are even propaganda posters and memes with his image. Sometimes Kovpak's name is also used in anti-Russian propaganda.
      1. +1
        8 September 2022 06: 50
        what does it mean natsionalistom.po you love your land where the graves of your ancestors is a crime??? KOVPAK, KOROLEV-Gorbachev, Yeltsin ..... etc.
    3. 0
      8 September 2022 20: 40
      In general, even the GDP does not deny the existence of the Ukrainian state, though far from the borders that it got during the collapse of the USSR. Ukrainians want to have an independent and this is a fact. Russia, in principle, is not against it, but an independent one should be friendly or really neutral and not threatening us.
      1. 0
        9 September 2022 06: 17
        and the Baltics??? there, too, half of the Russians and the borders are nearby, but NATO is there, and this .... is fraught.
  36. -1
    6 September 2022 19: 44
    awtor soglasatel iz Partii Mira mazepincow i banderowcow nado unictozat bezposcadno horosij ukronazi mertwyj ukronazi
    BEJ abramowicej i 5 kolonnu SPASAJ ROSSJU
    humannost i dobrjactwo na wojne wedut k porazenju krowozadnost k pobede
    cel SWO Denacyfikacja ispolnima tolko w Malorosyjskom General Governorstwe RF. najludsym denacyfikatorom budet General lejtant RA Kadyrow on twerdyj celawek gajki ukronacistom zatjanut sumejet
  37. -1
    6 September 2022 19: 56
    Quote: ivan2022
    We need to lie less

    I never gave up on anyone all the troubles I had to deal with internally and externally
    kapitulantow takih kak wy wne oceredi w ad odprawlat
  38. -1
    6 September 2022 20: 05
    Quote: ort
    Received from "a simple Russian guy in a police uniform

    wam pulu w zatylok polucit polozeno wy wrag Russkowo naroda
  39. -1
    6 September 2022 20: 15
    Quote from Kuziming
    Respectively, they will not accept the victory of Russia even now.

    sprasiwat ukrow nelzja Batyjewa rat Kijew wzjala i naselenje o swojej pobede ubedila bezsowmenno i nawecno!
    Cingiz Khan Batyja and Tamerlane learned this as if we were living in a poor country and we had to live together
  40. -1
    6 September 2022 20: 24
    Thanks to the author for such a colossal work ☺️
  41. 0
    6 September 2022 20: 29
    Quote: Dmitry Chelyabinsk
    "Ukrainians are a separate people

    ukraincy iskustwennaja nacja izobretena awstrijskoj razwedkoj, sdelana z aktiwnom ucastem bolsewikow
    prototype ispytanij ne wyderzal= w utylsyre
  42. -1
    6 September 2022 21: 01
    Quote: Sovetskiy
    now explain to me what I had to personally do against the opportunists who seized power, the country and the minds of people?

    to cto Harwey Lee Oswald w Dallas z Kennedym Snajperskom metodom Gorbacewa pristrelit
  43. -2
    6 September 2022 21: 09
    Quote: tihonmarine
    Nazism is a cancer of the 20th century

    cancerous tumor of the jawbone community neoplastic surgery
  44. -1
    6 September 2022 21: 18
    Quote: ivan2022
    Well, now let's see what we will have there in 2024

    eto zawisitot uma, mentaliteta patriotyzma i otwagi sowremennego Russkowo Naroda
    BEJ abramowicej i 5 kolonnu SPASAJ ROSJU
    ROSJA 3 RIM= Gospod Mira; USA 2 Karthagen byt jemu unictozenym
  45. +3
    6 September 2022 21: 35
    It is said in the Gospel of Matthew: "Whoever has, more will be given to him, and whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him."
    The ancient Jews had a Teacher, but about ...... And betrayed. As a result, after 33 years, the Jewish War began and everyone lost in it.

    In 1991, Russians and Ukrainians betrayed everything that could be betrayed, and by 2024 it will have been 33 years. Will everything be taken away? We'll see..... But I wouldn't be surprised at all...
  46. -1
    7 September 2022 07: 41
    I don’t believe Kuchma (especially in the authorship of this book - it’s a no brainer that knowledgeable, “knowledgeable” or rather characters were engaged in this work, Danilych does not have any abilities for this, except for his addiction to the “green snake”), knowing some details activities of the "square" in the international arena in the early 90s, now all these sprouts began to appear from there !? At first, they spoiled us in Angola, interrupting the contract with the BTA for the supply of IL-76, reducing the rental price to a meager one, and then it started ... Yugoslavia, participation in UN peacekeeping missions, where they openly declared that they were our competitors in the supply of aviation equipment ....! How it all ended., they gouged / ruined all their planes with helicopters !!! Even now they don't even have a single factory (Antonov, Motor Sich ... - everything is chopped up with checkers) !!! Everything was destroyed and sold, including the conscience and memory of ancestors, SHAME!!!
  47. 0
    7 September 2022 08: 22
    Well, why just the Ukrainian "Mein Kampf"? A Jew rules Ukraine! But after his Torah, "Mein Kampf" will seem like a children's horror story!
  48. +1
    8 September 2022 15: 31
    Now Ukraine is a formal puppet of the United States. And knowing this, one should not be surprised at their "good-natured and grateful" attitude towards today's Russia. But if you dive into history and look into the origins, you can be convinced that Ukraine has long been permeated with the idea of ​​nationalism and separatism in relation not only to Russia. But also all those who somehow owned these territories, not being ethnic Ukrainians.
    1. +1
      8 September 2022 16: 59
      so who taught...
  49. +1
    9 September 2022 05: 12
    Quote: Alexey Sedykin
    What are you? How many of us have been rehabilitated under political articles, moreover, convicted on completely legal grounds. You do not interfere with politics and criminality. Under the amnesty, the criminal record stamp remains the same as due to this restriction. For Banderlog and the Balts, all restrictions were lifted, as well as the restoration of all rights and compensation to them ... so no, no, rehabilitation was just applied to them

    Actually, Russian, or what? Does what is written in Russian get through? Apparently not. He is talking about Foma, you are talking about Yerema. What restrictions have been lifted? Why talk nonsense. When were traitors paid compensation? How can you inflame your imagination like that. A victim of the Unified State Exam. Rehabilitation, not rehabilitation. "Learning is light, and not learning is darkness." Goodbye.