The Russian army is leaving Kyiv. How to treat it?

Yuri Podolyaka

Russian troops are leaving Kyiv and, as I understand it, from Chernigov and Sumy. Then they are transferred to the south, as well as their counterparts from the Armed Forces of Ukraine. And in Russia, in connection with this, a new wave of panic rushed - "everything is lost." And as for me, everything is just beginning ...

You know, and I'm even glad that it happened. Because if the plan that started this war had worked, then there would have been little sense. And so, there is a chance ... but let's not get ahead of ourselves. I'll just say that everything will be much better than originally planned. Not in a military sense, but in a political one. Because Plan B, which is already being implemented, will change not only Ukraine, but also Russia. In fact, he is already changing it.

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[Ross xnumx]

I'll just say that everything will be much better than originally planned. Not in a military sense, but in a political one. Because Plan B, which is already being implemented, will change not only Ukraine, but also Russia. In fact, he is already changing it.

You don't need to say anything - you need to do. And the plans of the command should not be known to everyone. This is the strategy.

[Kasym]

As far as I know, Yuriy Podolyaka left Ukraine, because. he could be "tied up" by the SBU officers. And what will happen now to those who are loyal to the RF Armed Forces in those areas where Russian troops are leaving? With people like this Yuri.

[Odysseus]

Quote: Kasym

And what will happen now to those who have been loyal to the RF Armed Forces in those areas where Russian troops are leaving? With people like this Yuri

Quite simply, they will be killed. The problem is that the enemy does not play "special operation" He is at war. And chose the strategy of total war.

[Far B]

And chose the strategy of total war

Was there a choice? They are mentally the same as we are. And now imagine that the Chinese came to us in the 90s to nobly stop mass decommunization ... Damn, even realizing that formally the Chinese would be guided by a good goal, I would still fight with them. Until melted. For it’s not good to climb to us - we’ll figure it out ourselves, not small ones. So the Ukrainians do the same. Eight years ago, it was necessary not to click someone's beak, but to use the legitimacy of Yanyk and the anti-constitutionality of the Maidan to the fullest. But at that time, Rene Bra flew in, and promised to put something in the beak. So the beak clicked ...

[Odysseus]

Quote: Dalny V

Was there a choice? They are mentally the same as we are. And now imagine that the Chinese came to us in the 90s to nobly stop mass decommunization ... Damn, even realizing that formally the Chinese would be guided by a good goal, I would still fight with them.

I partly agree. But partly. Since Bandera is really just cannon fodder for the West and the total war in their execution is, first of all, a disregard for their own people and absolute hatred for the "wrong" Ukrainians who do not share their servility. The tactics of terror and cover by civilians on their part are completely conscious and consistent.
It is impossible even to imagine that the Russian people acted in this way in relation to their own people. Yes, and someone else too. Here we are mentally completely different.

[Far B]

It is impossible even to imagine that the Russian people acted in this way in relation to their own people. Yes, and someone else too. Here we are mentally completely different

It's still not a mentality. Mentality is something deeper. This is something from a series of lactose intolerance among the Chinese, intolerance to melted seal fat among Caucasians, weak immunity to alcohol among northern peoples. In short, the mentality is developed by generations.

[Sergej1972]

Something the Chinese have dramatically increased the consumption of milk, and they do not suffer from their stomachs.

[Lechik2000]

Yes, mentally they are not us, they served a term in the USSR with them - normal guys were only on the left bank, the farther to the west the dumber and more primitive - they thought that they were the most cunning and constantly tried n. US. But they miscalculated for two times - for hereditary fools with a lack of iodine (and this is a diagnosis) are also hereditary, cunning replaces the mind. We are not them. My great-great-grandfather is a Tatar from Kazan, was born in Perm, I live in Veliky Novgorod. In the Soviet Army, they called me "Lech the fascist" for my sharply Nordic appearance, and these big-nosed and eyebrows and dull peppers call us Finno-Ugric people)). Turks, Krymchaks, Poles, Russians, Swedes had their ancestors) - that’s why their women are beautiful. don't take that away.)
Z.Y. My wife is Ukrainian from near Zhytomyr ... yes, we are different, the children are beautiful))

[flicker]

Eight years ago, it was necessary not to snap someone's beak, but to use the legitimacy of Yanyk and the unconstitutionality of the Maidan to the fullest.

Eight years ago, we would not have survived such sanctions.
And Ukraine is not a problem for us from a military point of view even now.
For us, the problem is impending on Ukraine humanitarian catastrophe.
To take Kyiv under control is to get a destroyed city and 2 million hungry people, deprived of work, property, who consider us guilty of everything.

It is the impending humanitarian catastrophe that is an obstacle to the capture of Kyiv and other large cities of Ukraine with a population disloyal to us.
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But humanitarian problems are a good way to denazify the population of Ukraine.
To solve humanitarian problems, it is necessary to create, which the Bandera people cannot do. So the population of the independent will have the opportunity to look at Bandera with different eyes.

[figwam]

The Mi-28 was shot down, the fate of the crew is unclear.

[Dangerous]

1. the crew survived, there is a second video with comments
2.this video is 2-3 weeks old

[figwam]

No, this is yesterday's video

[alexey sidykin]

The crew is intact.

[Sergey M. Karasev]

And that will be. Our people will leave, banderlogs will return. And immediately "discover" the mass graves of civilians, "destroyed by brutalized orcs." In the West, no one even thinks to doubt that this is the case, and adequate doubting people are quickly silenced, quite possibly forever. And they won't even listen to us. What happens next is unknown. Definitely not good for us. .
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[flicker]

And what will happen now to those who are loyal to the RF Armed Forces in those areas where Russian troops are leaving?

And what does the population of Donbass do?

[max702]

Podolya centurion of the Maidan.. Be very careful with the vision of the situation thereof.. Ask him whose Crimea? And you will understand who this character is for ...

[Siberian54]

They don't ban, so it doesn't hurt And what kind of cockroaches does he have in his head, his problems

[max702]

Quote: Siberian54

They don't ban, so it doesn't hurt And what kind of cockroaches does he have in his head, his problems

It turned out here that there is no fifth column either! out Peskov about Urgant said frightened boy! So Podolyak should sit in the zone, and some kind of scum drags him into the mouthpieces of the special operation .. And notice that YouTube does not ban him! And a guy in Latvia with a similar channel was imprisoned for treason, not to mention the channel .. And so we have everything, dragging scum for some reason to ourselves, and then we are surprised at someone's Netrebko and other Rabinovichs begin to howl against us ...

[Siberian54]

But are the outgoing troops leaving territories there? From the sofa it seems that the troops intended for the assault on the Kueva are leaving, or is it not so?

[Borik]

Plan A plan B plan C, D, E. I think that after our troops left the entire north of Ukraine, everyone here is completely at a loss. They took this territory, put people to sleep, and a month later they took it and left. Yes, they counted on a completely different reception, as Yu Podolyaka says, they vilely threw us, deceived us with bread and salt, did not meet anyone who promised to help from the inside. Yes, with such small forces, we bit off too much of a piece and could not chew it, I had to spit out part. hoping that then we will try to chew it all the same. That's just re-chew will have with a vengeance. Dill there will definitely strengthen the defense. What worries me is that the Chernobyl nuclear power plant remained in the hands of the Nazis, no matter how they went on a provocation, they are all sick in the head. Now all the forces are thrown into the Donbass, since the forces that were at the first stage in the Donbass were not enough to break through the defenses of the dill that they had built in eight years. The battle will be tough.

[Seryoga64]

Quote: Borik

The battle will be tough.

Yes, not the right word ... There will be many losses ...

[alexey sidykin]

Quote: Borik

Plan A plan B plan C, D, E. I think that after our troops left the entire north of Ukraine, everyone here is completely at a loss. They took this territory, put people to sleep, and a month later they took it and left. Yes, they counted on a completely different reception, as Yu Podolyaka says, they vilely threw us, deceived us with bread and salt, did not meet anyone who promised to help from the inside. Yes, with such small forces, we bit off too much of a piece and could not chew it, I had to spit out part. hoping that then we will try to chew it all the same. That's just re-chew will have with a vengeance. Dill there will definitely strengthen the defense. What worries me is that the Chernobyl nuclear power plant remained in the hands of the Nazis, no matter how they went on a provocation, they are all sick in the head. Now all the forces are thrown into the Donbass, since the forces that were at the first stage in the Donbass were not enough to break through the defenses of the dill that they had built in eight years. The battle will be tough.

Firstly, they did not completely leave the Chernobyl nuclear power plant. He blames the rear and the Nazis are not there, just as we are not completely leaving the Kiev Sumy and Chernihiv regions. And secondly, those forces that hollowed out the Donbass grouping, they will continue to hammer them from the east, now, as I understand it, Kyiv has decided to strengthen them, and in order to prevent this, we are gathering troops there. Well, as for bread and salt, they hardly counted on this, rather, the calculation was on the fact that part of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, seeing that Russia is really stronger and one way or another the Ukrainian army will be defeated, will come over to our side. It didn't work out.

[alexvmar]

Reports from Bucha are already doing this, allegedly ours have mined everything and everyone, including playgrounds. At the same time, the one who led the program about travel on our television tells. In fact, I think so, ours did not even begin to clear the mines that the Hohlonazis left behind. Left as it was.

[flicker]

we were counting on a completely different reception, as Yu Podolyaka says, they vilely threw us, deceived us with bread and salt, did not meet anyone who promised to help from the inside

They didn’t throw us - they threw themselves, or rather finished off.
In the case of a loyal attitude of the Armed Forces of Ukraine towards us, Ukraine (which was sentenced by the West !!!) had a chance to maintain statehood, having lost only the LDNR, sending the "Zhido-Bandera" regime to the scrap, to carry out the demilitarization and denazification of Ukraine.

But they missed that chance. Now the state of Ukraine has no chance.
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We did not take Kyiv because of the expected in Ukraine humanitarian issues.
Since we have to feed the population of 2 million cities, which we (yet) are not happy with is simply counterproductive.
Let the humanitarian problems of Kyiv be solved by the Banderites. Let's see how they succeed.
We will take Kyiv a little later, when the population begins to see clearly. And it will see clearly, Bandera will help him to see clearly.

[73bor]

And the deputy minister himself reports the plans of the command to the enemy at a press conference and even dropped the microphone! Understand as you wish...

[jonht]

I agree, it’s not enough just to take Kuev, you need to put someone there, but the whole question is who .... As Yuri correctly stated, he didn’t grow together with the Khokhlyat elites, Tsarev can and will be able to, but so far there is little behind him as an industrialist, but take everything " Ukrainian "economy is not profitable for us. So he says correctly, now it is necessary to "weld" without the possibility of getting out of them, two boilers in the LDNR, and with free hands to clean up the outskirts further.

[Aerodrome]

The “cauldron” of the troops is pulled together to gouge near Slavyansk and Kramatorsk, April will be difficult, but then it will be easier, the most combat-ready group is practically surrounded.

[NDR-791]

Quote: jonht

I agree, just taking Kuev is not enough, you need to put someone there, but the whole question is who ....

So it is everywhere, not only in Kyiv. Wherever you poke - during the day he is the head of the administration, at night he carries grub in the caches. Was Kravchuk's experience not enough? The question is, how was this supposed to be done in the first place? Before. I will never believe what was not intended. And if the plan did not work, then this is a 50% minus of success.

[alexey sidykin]

Tsarev immediately said that he would not pull. There you need a tough person, but he is too soft.

[Ermak_Timofeich]

Russian troops are leaving Kyiv and, as I understand it, from Chernigov and Sumy.

Someone who, once again, is getting richer with a thought?

[Far B]

The Russian army is leaving Kyiv. How does it relate to that?

If they really are leaving Kyiv, then what kind of question is this - how to relate? Yes, as to the stupid (very mildly) miscalculation of our command and leadership of the country, who decided that the problem that had been ripening for eight years could be solved by a cavalry attack. They (the leadership and command) did not want to admit even to themselves that in 2014 they made a terrible mistake (non-intervention in the internal affairs of Ukraine in the presence of all international legal possibilities for this: here is a coup in the country, here is a legal one for that moment Yanyk in Kharkov, then in Rostov, here is the possibility of non-recognition of Poroshenko with all the consequences); as well as the most loyal population of Ukraine at that time. Once again, they failed to calculate what their eight-year-old mistake resulted in - how successfully they reformatted the minds of Ukrainians through stupidity to develop uncritical thinking of the majority and total propaganda (this despite the fact that in Russia the country's leadership all this time condoned the implementation of the same stupidity , moreover, with the same goals, only the shade of propaganda was different). In short, this is a clear failure and the lives of soldiers wasted in vain. And the person on whose conscience these lives, as well as the lives of all those "reformatted" over these eight years, is not difficult to calculate - it was this person who, by his unforgivable mistake eight years ago, allowed this "reformatting". It is he who is responsible for the fact that the special operation is taking place at such an inconvenient time (both economically and politically) for the country, and that the operation is taking place in this form. Russia is a huge ship, and the captain is responsible for everything on the ship. This is an axiom that does not even need legislative formalization. No matter what changes are made to the nullified Constitution on the immunity of the former leaders of the country, yes.

Because the plan "B", which is already being implemented

Oops! So is there a plan B? For some reason, this alone makes me anxious. I am, as it were, very far from the scene of events - exactly across the mainland, but still I live in Russia, and I am well aware how all these guiding plans affect the inhabitants of Russia. In short, yes. It would be better if Mother Russia was still strong in its unpredictability (bitter sarcasm, if anything ...)
And to rejoice that such a turn will change (already is changing) Russia for the better is to put on a good face for a bad game: another self-deception, with which Russia has already been fed up for thirty years with a licher.
PS I apologize to the participants in the discussion: the comment was written only on the "explanatory note" to the vidos - the vidos themselves in my area are not loaded from the word "absolutely": the North, after all, the Internet system is 2G ...

[Odysseus]

Quote: Dalny V

If you really leave Kyiv, then what kind of question is this - how to relate? Yes, as for the stupid (very mildly) miscalculation of our command and leadership of the country, who decided that the problem that had been ripening for eight years could be solved by a cavalry attack

Still worse. The whole operation near Kiev was purely political in nature. It was needed only to ensure that the Maidan authorities (which we recognize) at the negotiating table agreed to our demands. And we would have gone further.
From the point of view of our "capitalist wise men", the strategy is win-win, because we asked the Maidan government (read from the Americans) for a trifle-Crimea and Donbass, leaving them everything else. Really, what could possibly go wrong...
After the collapse of this most cunning of all cunning plans, sitting near Kiev (despite the fact that we continue to recognize the Zelensky government) has lost all meaning. From a military point of view now, the retreat is correct.
Now the task is blood from the nose to win in the Donbass and create such a public opinion in which the construction on the knee of Minsk-3 would be the end for our power.
We must prevent them from surrendering the results of the actions of the army.

[Far B]

We must prevent them from handing over the results of the actions of the army

Consonant.

would be the end of our power

But against this, according to the results of the "special operation", I would not mind very strongly. Well, I wouldn't mind with both hands. And a leg.

[Awaz]

you're right . Not many really understand the essence of events. No matter what the authorities say, their plan was something like what you described. By the way, I have been writing the same garbage since the first days of this operation. Unfortunately, our people in high places, it seems, logically chose the program to influence Ukraine, but they began to carry out the operation in a completely amateurish manner, obviously, completely unprepared and not realizing what they would face. Moreover, the battle that they are going to start now in the Donbass should have been fought in the first three or four days, well, a maximum of a week, then there would have been at least some kind of trump card to put pressure on Zelensky.
Despite the fact that the Armed Forces of Ukraine are really exhausted and drained of blood, they fight fiercely and fanatically, almost never surrender and will obviously fight for a long time and painfully. the hopes of our authorities that, having gathered all their forces, they will be able to push through and drive the Armed Forces of Ukraine near the Donbass into the boilers are very illusory. The Armed Forces of Ukraine, despite the bravura statements of the General Staff of the Russian Federation, also manage to pull up forces, bring up ammunition. Therefore, I do not really believe that it will be possible to squeeze out the Armed Forces of Ukraine from the territories of Donetsk and Luhansk regions before May 9th. And even if they squeeze out, what will happen next is hard to imagine, since it is obvious that the Kremlin no longer understands very well what to do.

[alexey sidykin]

Do you think that at 14 the result would have been different? Even in the Donbass for the separation, the advantage was small. Slightly more than half voted for secession.

[Olegpetrofka]

In 2014, there would definitely have been a different result. Then the residents of Donbass were for secession and joining the Russian Federation and they did not dream of any DPR. More than 75 percent of the population supported such an initiative (I am a Donetsk resident and I know what I’m talking about). In Mariupol, it was also but when the inhabitants of the same Mariupol for 8 years watched the poverty, uncertainty, lawlessness of the inhabitants of Donetsk, arbitrariness and
mediocrity of the Donetsk authorities, represented by Pushilin, the opinion of the majority has changed about the DPR and the Russian Federation.

[kig]

Whatever the plan is, the result is the same: an extremely hostile state is right outside the threshold. Even otdenafitsirovannoe (by the way, who will deal with this?). Military, who is now stubbornly resisting - are they all neo-Nazis and proto-Banderites? What if they are the most ordinary patriots? And what about ordinary "peaceful" citizens whose lives were destroyed at once? They will stay, and with their mentality, they will pass these events on to their grandchildren.

[Asad]

I will support, the generation that was born in Ukraine is fighting. Can't a person be a patriot, especially if he takes an oath to his state. Gorbachev, s ... but finished, they will be buried in Russia, if I live to see us .. at the grave, let them be fined

[Soldatov V.]

In principle, the plan is not bad. It is necessary to force the Armed Forces of Ukraine to throw regular units to help their troops near Donetsk. And then Kyiv, Sumy, Chernihiv will be defended by hastily assembled territorial battalions. It is necessary to bombard these cities with leaflets calling for surrender and photographs of the atrocities in Mariupol by Bandera and photos of the destroyed city. It is necessary that the relatives of the fighters of the terbatalons
took them home from their positions. Or let them flee to Poland and Germany while the roads are open.

[Destroyer]

A person's relatives, friends died, and you offer to give him a leaflet to read. Well, maybe that would be enough for you, but not for them. And the relatives of the fighters of the terrbats would themselves go to war, but they don’t take them.

[Soldatov V.]

If they want to resist like the Germans in Berlin, then this is their choice, but of course then the tactics of taking the city will be the same as in 45.
The main thing is that the authorities release women, children and the elderly, and then let them fight for Bandera Ukraine.

[Soldatov V.]

Destructor. Good movie Nobody Wanted to Die. I advise you to look and understand a lot about the Nazis and Bandera.

[alexey sidykin]

Quote: V.

In principle, the plan is not bad. It is necessary to force the Armed Forces of Ukraine to throw regular units to help their troops near Donetsk. And then Kyiv, Sumy, Chernihiv will be defended by hastily assembled territorial battalions. It is necessary to bombard these cities with leaflets calling for surrender and photographs of the atrocities in Mariupol by Bandera and photos of the destroyed city. It is necessary that the relatives of the fighters of the terbatalons
took them home from their positions. Or let them flee to Poland and Germany while the roads are open.

Do you think they don't know? In the terbaty, often the sick go to the head or outright scumbags and crime.

[Procopius Nesterov]

After the first negative emotions, I nevertheless took this departure with relief. Because it was for this direction that he was worried. Since the idea of ​​immediately taking Kyiv was good, and it made sense to try it. Yes, and the enemy had to pull resources and troops there. But since it didn’t work out right away, further standing is ineffective. Grouping is better used elsewhere. Apparently the war is taking a protracted turn.
But here questions arise, sooner or later this grouping, even after successful offensives, may lose its strike potential. Losses are inevitable, and replenishment is needed. The enemy does not have a question with replenishments, since he is mobilizing. The theoretical maximum Ukraine can put under arms is 7 percent of the population, which is 2,8 million people. (Unless, of course, they have enough small arms and ammunition for it)
The questions that I have are how we will resolve the issue of replenishment, and the second creation of reserves from new military formations and units. If the war is protracted, then reserves should be created non-stop with a margin.
I think these issues cannot be resolved without mobilization in Russia. Or if we do not want mobilization, then we will have to use nuclear weapons in Kiev, and then in other large cities that refused to surrender. Here we will have to choose between mobilization and the use of nuclear weapons.

[soul]

Quote: Procopius Nesterov

I think these issues cannot be resolved without mobilization in Russia. Or if we don’t want mobilization, then we will have to use nuclear weapons in Kiev, and then in other large cities that refused to surrender

Imagine how happy they are in London and Washington - Russians (regular and formatted) kill each other, destroy mutual potential. It was only necessary to format a relatively small amount and wait ...
How did we fall into this trap?

[stankow]

Oh well. Either mobilization, or nuclear weapons!?! :) :)

[Nikolay Malyugin]

I envy those who understand everything. I personally do not understand how a war can be waged without any idea. At first, information processing, then a military operation. And without prejudice to nationality. This is the most important thing.

[alexey sidykin]

Quote: Nikolai Malyugin

I envy those who understand everything. I personally do not understand how a war can be waged without any idea. At first, information processing, then a military operation. And without prejudice to nationality. This is the most important thing.

How do you propose to organize information processing in a hostile state?

[Fungus]

They stand dangerously around Kyiv. There are only forests.

[Daddy pig]

Plan A, plan B...
No, it was originally Plan G.
Now everyone has realized this, even Podolyak)

[alexey sidykin]

Quote: Daddy Pig

Plan A, plan B...
No, it was originally Plan G.
Now everyone has realized this, even Podolyak)

Oh, the great expert got out. There are few of you today. Do you sleep?

[monah]

Quote: ASAD

I will support, the generation that was born in Ukraine is fighting. Can't a person be a patriot, especially if he takes an oath to his state. Gorbachev, s ... but finished, they will be buried in Russia, if I live to see us .. at the grave, let them be fined

I'm afraid it won't. Such protection will be set up at the "gorbitsentr" that only from a distance it will be possible to show the figurine (in your pocket)!

[MrFox]

The title is already illiterate.

Relate

[Cat Kuzya]

Well, it looks like the plan according to which the government of the Ukrokhunta will scatter and Russian troops will enter Kyiv in a victorious march did not burn out. We switched to a plan according to which the DPR and DPR within the borders of the USSR gain independence with subsequent entry into Russia and Crimea receives a land corridor along with water. Here is the end of the story.

[Edward Vashchenko]

In our country, every year, thousands of PR specialists graduate from universities, super-highly paid employees on central television channels, and PR specialists at the Ministry of Defense itself who talk about tank biathlon regiments. Millions are allocated for PR of any elections.
And analogue Sovinform Bureauwhich would be clear without sowing panic и without causing laughter, fake news, told about the situation - no.
Well, why?

[your1970]

Quote: Eduard Vaschenko

And there is no analogue of the Sovinform Bureau, which would clearly, without sowing panic and causing laughter, with fake news, tell about the situation - no.
Well, why?

Because..
1) you obviously didn’t read and didn’t listen to the texts of the Sovinformburo. “Fights are going on at the border”, “Fights are going on at the border” and so on for some time - then bang “Minsk is abandoned.” An abyss of questions and no information. would be like horses ... The people won’t believe Konashenkov with a bunch of details
2) disbelief in the reports of the Sovinformburo expressed - in Moscow after the state of siege was introduced - could cause execution on the spot for alarmism. Therefore, people were silent
3) people had no other sources of information - none at all. This is not the current ocean of information. Then there were only two to choose from - a summary / newspaper with a summary and rumors
4) 9/10 participants of the VO forum - the war went to penal battalions or camps. For censure of the authorities, the politics of the authorities and the Civil Code itself.
You are for your harmless post at the present time - you could get into fines during the war for "I criticized the People's Commissariat of Defense and the authorities!" And this was no joke - it all depended on the person conducting the investigation for you ...
1/10 - guaranteed to be shot as enemies of the authorities
"Goebbels' henchman", "detractor of power", "gathered a group of people around him", "agitation" - this is a short list of things on the basis of which he would be slapped.

Quote: demo

Those who make decisions, and this is the President, the Security Council of the Russian Federation, the Presidential Administration, the Government of the Russian Federation, are far from stupid people.
So everything that happened is a planned and calculated game.
The game is for naive people like you and me.
.

Were there any during the war? Railway carriage! "Primaki" in the occupied territories did not arise out of thin air during the war

[Edward Vashchenko]

Because..

1) you obviously didn’t read and didn’t listen to the texts of the Sovinformburo. “Fights are going on at the border”, “Fights are going on at the border” and so on for some time - then bang “Minsk is abandoned.” An abyss of questions and no information. would be like horses ... The people won’t believe Konashenkov with a bunch of details

This is not true, you probably did not listen to the reports: 1. Information about the abandoned cities was reported in detail. Briefly, but reported. As well as about the atrocities of the Nazis.

2) disbelief in the reports of the Sovinformburo expressed - in Moscow after the state of siege was introduced - could cause execution on the spot for alarmism. Therefore, people were silent

People were not silent, read K. Simonov's "The Living and the Dead", about claims against the army and the government ... but write nonsense about executions. This is first.
But the reports did not lie and did not wag their tail, did not give the possibility of other interpretations.
Secondly, the vast majority of the population believed in victory, not because "Russians never lose", the masses lived in 1916 and knew how to "don't lose." But because they not only saw the efforts of the government of the country to strengthen the defense and at the same time improve life, but also participated in this with their own hands. Kom party was not a party of “crooks and thieves”, but a party of the people, its bond, so the soldiers wrote before the battle and these were not just words: “Consider me a communist!”

4) 9/10 participants of the VO forum - the war left for penal battalions or camps. For censure of the authorities, the politics of the authorities and the Civil Code itself.

There was nothing of the kind in the legislation of the RSFSR and other republics. What the

went to Shtrafbat

, and many of them went there for it? Statistics?
For booze it was, for “the guys made some noise”, like the heroes of Caesar Kunikov, it was.
I repeat, doubts arise when for 30 years the slogan: “do not be shy to get rich”, and then: Don’t you love your Motherland?

You are for your harmless post at the present time - you could have been imprisoned in the war for "I criticized the People's Commissariat of Defense and the authorities!" And this was no joke - it all depended on the person conducting the investigation for you ... shot as enemies of power

"Criticized the People's Commissariat of Defense and power!" - under what such article or law?
In 1941, in Moscow, as in other front-line cities, a curfew was introduced, execution for looting, robbery and panic.
"Criticized the People's Commissariat of Defense and power!" – but there was no such heresy.
And if you didn’t understand: I didn’t write about what should be a Sovinform Bureau, as in 1941 or 1945, but about a similar structure, but reflecting the realities of today’s world.

And lastly, there is no war now, there is no martial law. And to ban criticism today can only illegally.
Therefore, criticism has the right to be, especially since it did not appear today, all adequate people wrote about it for years, and things are still there.
But under the USSR, the rule of law was strictly observed and ... if there had been a war, I, like my grandfather on June 22, 1941, would have been called up for mobilization in my military specialty. The troops of the second echelon would have deployed according to plan "M", which we have worked out more than once in the troops, and ...

“If the country calls for a campaign, beyond our native land, we will all go to the holy battle.”

[your1970]

Quote: Eduard Vaschenko

There was nothing of the kind in the legislation of the RSFSR and other republics. What the
went to Shtrafbat
, and many of them went there for it? Statistics?

Statistics? please...

"By Decree of the State Defense Committee No. 813 of October 19, 1941, "in order to suppress the subversive activities of spies, saboteurs and other agents of German fascism" in Moscow and the areas adjacent to the capital that were not captured by the enemy, a state of siege was introduced from October 20. From 12 o'clock in the morning a curfew began to operate until 5 a.m., forbidding any movement along the streets. "Violators of the order should immediately be held accountable with the transfer to the court of a military tribunal, and provocateurs, spies and other agents of the enemy who call for a violation of the order, be shot on the spot," the statement said. resolution.
87 fighter battalions were formed in the city. In each district of the capital there was a commandant's office and a military tribunal. “During the period from October 20 to November 2, 1941, 7 people were shot on the spot, 98 people were shot by the verdicts of military tribunals, 602 people were sentenced to prison for various terms,” General Sinilov reported to the People’s Commissar of Internal Affairs Lavrenty Beria. In total, from October 1941 to July 1942, 13 people were shot on the spot, 887 arrested were sentenced to capital punishment, 44 people were convicted
This is only in Moscow. In Leningrad, about 2000 people were shot during the same period and 21 were convicted. 000 bandit formations numbering from 430 people and more were liquidated
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Quote: Eduard Vaschenko

The Kom party was not a party of "crooks and thieves", but a party of the people, its bond,

Yes? Right exactly right?
That is, when they shot [b] ALL people's commissars of internal affairs or the generals of the spacecraft - were these separate "enemies of the people" who had nothing to do with the party?
All polls "Lenin's Guard" had nothing to do with the people?
Did the generals shot after the war also have nothing to do with the party?
Zhukov, who flew out with a bang, was also apparently an insufficient bond?
Stalin thrown out of the Mausoleum?

Quote: Eduard Vaschenko

People were not silent, read K. Simonov's "The Living and the Dead", about claims against the army and the government ... but write nonsense about executions.

Year of writing remember? during this period it was possible to carry all sorts of nonsense about Stalin and it rolled and was even useful for publishing books.

Z.s. during the period of liberation of Ukraine, about 1 million people who had reached military age were again drafted into the army BEFORE War.
"Primaki" - or rather banal deserters

[Edward Vashchenko]

Yes? Right exactly right?
That is, when ALL people's commissars of internal affairs or the generals of the spacecraft were shot - were these separate "enemies of the people" who had nothing to do with the party?
All polls "Lenin's Guard" had nothing to do with the people?
Did the generals shot after the war also have nothing to do with the party?
Zhukov, who flew out with a bang, was also apparently an insufficient bond?
Stalin thrown out of the Mausoleum?

Those who are against our people in Ukraine live with the same thoughts: they tell the same thing. There is less than one step from anti-Soviet to Russophobes.

[your1970]

Quote: Eduard Vaschenko

Those who are against our people in Ukraine live with the same thoughts: they tell the same thing. There is less than one step from anti-Soviet to Russophobes.

- get numb....
School textbooks in the USSR turned out to be both anti-Soviet and Russophobic.
In them - strange as it may seem to you - they wrote about the fact that Stalin was condemned at the 20th congress, and about the shooting of the "Lenin Guard" without exception, and about the fact that each the next narcotic vnudel turned out to be an enemy of the people, and about Zhukov - suddenly - who had departed to command the district in the most dangerous direction ....

And yes - it’s very convenient in today’s times - to call it a Russophobe. Only you can’t argue with statistics with such labels ...
Only youth from such attacks with a label sticker - you have already lost ... Youth does not believe unsubstantiated demagoguery ....

[Mikhalych]

Who do you believe?!

[Mikhail Sidorov]

And the Chernobyl nuclear power plant is again under Ukraine

[Mikhail Sidorov]

For the past three days, the demand for the denazification of Ukraine has disappeared from the media sphere.
Why did it happen?
Have plans changed?
Have you already understood the futility and impossibility?
No!
It was "a carrot in front of a donkey's face

This is exactly what you noticed. This requirement has not been heard for a long time.

[Mikhail Sidorov]

We can agree with Podolyaka that the Defense Ministry constantly insists that everything is going according to plan. But this is what .... A, B, C or D .. And the periodic shelling of the Belgorod region is under what letter, I, as a resident of this region, are curious.

[syndicalist]

It seems that the plan is unknown even to the commander-in-chief. And if so, then you can reach the last letter of the alphabet and declare victory, regardless of the result

[stels_07]

From the very beginning, I didn’t understand the campaign against Kyiv and Chernihiv at the initial stage, and not only militarily, but also politically. Well, they took Bankovaya, so what? it will be if, according to a cunning plan, more than 300 yards were left in captivity

[Cut Samshitov]

Yeah, that is, they just put the boys like that? Author of "even glad?" We are not Ukrainians in order to "overcome" but a couple of uncles in stripes should sit down.

[Olegpetrofka]

You read today's comments and understand that V.O. only "Skobeevs" gathered, only on a much smaller scale. Three days ago, in your comments, you were going to roll out the Polish one with the Ukrainian army alone. But today you mumble something indistinct.

[alexey sidykin]

Quote: Olegpetrofka

You read today's comments and understand that V.O. only "Skobeevs" gathered, only on a much smaller scale. Three days ago, in your comments, you were going to roll out the Polish one with the Ukrainian army alone. But today you mumble something indistinct.

And how can they not moo ... their couch Wishlist did not come true. Although today they are something not a lot. The number of them has skyrocketed in recent days.

[moscowp]

No, there are a lot of intelligent and knowledgeable people here, but what they call “do not shine” against the backdrop of a violently crazy shobla. Less common in the "news" are found, more often in other sections, such as "weapons", "history".

[Olegpetrofka]

Thank you for your advice. I will be glad to read adequate articles and comments

[moscowp]

If the topic of IT is close to you, I can recommend a series of articles on the site about the birth and development of Soviet microelectronics. Unique materials filled with information, facts and thoughts of the author. I'm not from IT, but I'm reading. https://topwar.ru/182704-unikalnaja-i-zabytaja-rozhdenie-sovetskoj-pro-vvedenie.html

[stankow]

First-class anti-Soviet. There is even a little about missile defense ....

[moscowp]

As long as there is no law on insulting the feelings of believers in the USSR, you will have to put up with the views that the USSR is not only heaven on earth, but also an inefficient, unviable structure that collapsed under the weight of its own internal contradictions. It is especially painful, perhaps, for you to realize that most of the supposedly capitalist countries of Europe have actually built much more effective socialism than the USSR did.

[alexey sidykin]

Quote: moscowp

No, there are a lot of intelligent and knowledgeable people here, but what they call “do not shine” against the backdrop of a violently crazy shobla. Less common in the "news" are found, more often in other sections, such as "weapons", "history".

I know this... I'm talking about the contingent on news and political and social blogs. But in principle, each author can be said to have his admirers. It's almost impossible to find the right ones for some. Especially those who write about problems in the army. Plus sharply intensified ukrobots.

[Sibguest]

If you:
1. Trust Yuri - controversy and cries of "we were betrayed, everything is lost!" completely inappropriate.
2. Do not trust Yuri - you on other Internet sites: medical.

[Prisoner]

And how to treat? Push emotions under the heel and turn on the brains. Retirees may need to remember some details of Operation Trap? At the same time, review the film "Battalions Ask for Fire." It is possible that the work of units in the area of ​​Kyiv and adjacent areas was intended to divert part of the forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine from the Donetsk and Luhansk regions. In addition, the presence of our forces near Kiev could lead the command of the All-Union to the idea not to pull military units from the Western region. Suddenly ours will come to the border. Although this is all my old man's speculation. However, not fools are sitting in the General Staff. Maybe just trust the professionals and not make a storm in a teacup?

[alexey sidykin]

What are you. Immediately, every second is at least an "academician of Hershtab" (they don't pull on the General Staff). And every and every third "in one fell swoop of seven kills." Entirely geniuses of strategy and tactics are heroes of computer wars.

[Emergency]

It's like usual. Everyone who knows how to run the country and develop the economy is busy. Who is driving a taxi, who is at the kitchen table. And all the strategists at the computer in "Dune" similar games are cut. So different graduates of the academies have to get out.

[tatra]

Just as the enemies of the communists for all 104 years of the Soviet and their evil and cowardly anti-Soviet-Russophobic periods could not honestly and adequately explain WHY they were so eager to take the country from the Bolshevik communists and their supporters, so were the enemies of the communists who seized the RSFSR, and they could not honestly and adequately explain - WHY they need this "non-war" in Ukraine. First, some two words incomprehensible to the majority of the Russian people, then the rhetoric of the Russian authorities was constantly changing, and she does not even remember these two words.

[Ros 56]

There were already a couple of boilers, ended in Minsk, now there will be a large Slavic-Donetsk, such as Stalingrad, where the bulk of the crazy Nazis have to be cooked. Then it will be easier.
But Kyiv will not go anywhere, it has been there for hundreds of years.

[Emergency]

The civilians put pressure on emotions. Like the capital this and that. And the fact that the top has long dumped to the Polish border, and even to Poland, is not taken into account. And the fact that our calculations do not include razing Ukraine and Kyiv in particular to the ground is not included, they cannot understand. To take Kyiv is to put more than a dozen of our guys. Do we need it? You have to fight on emotions. Without them, it's difficult without them. But strategic decisions are made with a cool head and sober calculation, as befits the winners. And the fuss in the networks and the cries of non-professionals is inevitable. Alas.

[moscowp]

Of course, he is talking about something that everyone will learn about the withdrawal of the Russian army from Kyiv a few days later from war correspondents, the Ukrainian side and Podolyak. Apparently, the responsible press services are thinking how to present "shame" as a "overcome" and "cunning plan B"

[Private SA]

I have always had a bad attitude towards this war. And now ......
When in the abandoned areas the Nazis, on which I would have three of my own
did not regret the army store for the AK-74, publicly cut the Russians
they will also start uploading videos to the network, how "ISIS" did, what we
then do? Send troops back there? Or silently
chew bloody snot?
They screwed up the war in Moscow.

[Emergency]

You don't seem to have any idea what three "magazines" mean, at least in an oncoming battle. Therefore, do not fuss. Not your level, "strategist".

[Iskander2019]

The day before yesterday, everyone here wrote: What are you? And so it was intended, no one was going to take Kyiv. Now it's plan B, that is, all the same, you didn’t think about it? Was it impossible to hold back troops in Kyiv while on the border? Shooting with precision weapons. I suppose no one would decide to withdraw from the city and the area of ​​power. And the fact that they would have strengthened there, so they eventually became stronger and they were not going to take Kyiv, they strengthened and strengthened

[Electrical]

Actually, they don’t change horses at the crossing! Well, okay, plans are not horses ...

[Emergency]

Well said. Without half a liter and you will not understand. Let's "shudder" on the occasion of Saturday?

[parusnik]

Quote from the movie "Green Van": "And we have things to do ... I'm afraid that we won't manage before the October ones."

[Private SA]

Quote: Emergency

You don't seem to have any idea what three "magazines" mean, at least in an oncoming battle. Therefore, do not fuss. Not your level, "strategist".

Yes, I did not fuss over the switchboard of hardware communication encryption.
Diploma with the wish "Serve the country long and faithfully" from the command
parts received under demobilization. To me and then Colonel-General Yazov and then
Lieutenant General Moiseev (Later to the Minister of Defense and Chief
The General Staff had to provide communications and control communications.
Divisions were supposed to cover us ...
And three (two) stores in the pouch (one is fastened) - this is our soldier's.
From guard duty. The pouch was for three stores.
So don't fuss, tactician. You are in command session control
for an urgent exit of submarines to the Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky communication center,
Vilyuchinsk did not control?

[Scientist_]

I hope now everyone understands why our army is not greeted with flowers there.

[certero]

Quote: Captive

However, not fools are sitting in the General Staff

The further you go, the more you begin to doubt this statement. Judging by the preparation of the operation, the results of the battles for 5 weeks and the recent strike on the Belgorod region.

[certero]

I would now even agree to a truce so that our boys stop dying. Because now is not a great patriotic war, When the very existence of the country and its inhabitants is at stake.
Our authorities have a huge problem - never to admit their mistakes.

[Igorash]

This is so according to the Russian Federation, wski .... Someone there spoke about a great and mighty perfect army? They reported on new equipment, which we practically did not see in Ukraine ... Where are the vaunted T-90s? Oh yes ... a whole battalion. .And judging by the motley uniforms of our guys .... Anti-aircraft guns on trucks ... The same shabby helicopters ... It is already clearly visible that it is not as smooth as Shoigu reported about 70% of modernized and new equipment .. It smacks of lies ... It's time to check this cheerful gop company in the Moscow Region with all proletarian thoroughness ...

[Kuzyakin15]

Igorash:
As for testing, I agree. Especially General Shoigu

[Comrade I]

There is no one to check it. Potential inspectors themselves need to be vetted.

[Rostock]

It's not about technology. And in the complete failure of intelligence. As a result, forces were involved that did not meet the task at hand. Although perhaps there are simply no other forces, because the border also needs to be covered. But then it was necessary to pull up the reservists, at least as a second echelon and guard the rear and supply columns. Just Ukraine mobilized a bunch of people for the war. And the tactics chosen are the most effective. Inhuman but effective.

[flicker]

Because if the plan that started this war had worked, then there would have been little sense

Of course, you can call some changes plans A, B, C, etc.
But when making such (fateful) decisions, they are guided by scenarios.
There are three such scenarios:
Scenario 1 - the most favorable combination of circumstances;
Scenario 2 - the most unfavorable combination of circumstances;
3 scenario - a cross between the first and second
In practice, scenario 3 is always implemented. But the success of scenario 3 largely depends on how well thought out both extreme scenarios are. And therein lies the value of these extreme scenarios.
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This is to say that talking about mistakes in planning is not serious..

From a military point of view, the operation is being carried out more than successfully, and this despite the fact that the Armed Forces of Ukraine (namely, the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and not the national battalions) are desperately resisting.
And given that the planning and overall management of operations are planned and carried out in NATO headquarters, that the Armed Forces of Ukraine are built into the network-centric structure of NATO and use all its intelligence capabilities (satellites, drones, intercepts, intelligence data, etc.), then we can say that the Russian Armed Forces are conducting an operation just good.
The enemy is strong - but we are much stronger.
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As for the regrouping from near Kyiv.
From a military point of view, the capture of Kyiv was not a big problem for our army.
Problems would arise after the capture of Kyiv. And this problem is a humanitarian catastrophewhich hangs today practically over all Ukraine and in particular over Kiev. And this, by the way, is a 2 million city.
It's no secret that the West wanted to: a) wear out our army in urban battles (the "city-fortress" strategy)
и b) so that we, having taken the territory of Ukraine (thoroughly destroyed), faced a humanitarian catastrophe and the population embittered by us.

Those. at the cost of the lives of soldiers, we take the city, and in addition we get devastation, a humanitarian catastrophe (it is necessary to feed 2 million people - and this is in conditions when a food crisis arises around us) and a population embittered by us.

.The humanitarian catastrophe of Ukraine is a consequence of the consistent destruction of the Ukrainian economy over the past 8 years (the rupture of all production chains with Russia is not our fault!)

The humanitarian catastrophe of Ukraine was prepared for 8 years by the “Jewish Banderist” regime of Ukraine, this catastrophe is exacerbated by the food crisis all over the world (thanks to COVID) - and we, Russia, must deal with it.

It would be fine if the people of Ukraine, for the most part, were loyal to us, but they are also zombified.

That is why the decision to take (YET) a part of Ukraine (with a population loyal to us) under its control and solve all its humanitarian and other problems looks quite reasonable.
And the rest, which is inhabited by a part of the population that is not loyal (YET) to us, let the Bandera regime save it from a humanitarian catastrophe. So that Ukrainians can compare. This may well open the eyes of the Ukrainian population.
It can be said that we will carry out the demilitarization of Ukraine, and the denazification will be carried out by the Nazis themselves, who will reveal their bestial essence during a humanitarian catastrophe.
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So the refusal to take active steps near Kiev looks more than reasonable.
And this is not some kind of plan B (C, D, etc.), but an elementary consideration of the prevailing conditions within the framework of the unified plan for the demilitarization and denazification of Ukraine being implemented.

In other words, this is the choice of a more optimal method for the demilitarization and denazification of Ukraine.

[Sergst]

Edition VO! Well, you at least read the titles of the articles !!

[Arkay]

Well, everyone knows that retreat is the first sign of victory.

[Roman Efremov]

Bad news. It is clear that things are not going as planned. After plan B comes plan C?
And do not accuse me of alarmism - I am not an alarmist, but I am not blind either, I can draw conclusions from the news.

[Zack levy]

What's plan B? Everything goes according to plan A. This is such a maneuver to outwit the enemy.

[smaug78]

Because if the plan that started this war had worked, then there would have been little sense.

You can not read further ...

[trenkkvaz]

If most of the local commentators were sent to the middle of 1942, then there would probably also be decadent exclamations.
The results of a war must be judged by its end, not by its course.
War is a kind of game in which it is impossible to foresee and predict everything. And it is normal and inevitable to make mistakes in something.
Only one thing can be said - the forces currently deployed in Ukraine are clearly not enough to attack in the directions that were chosen from the very beginning.
It is necessary either to increase at least twice the forces or to remove them from some directions and concentrate them on others.
It is impossible to increase quickly, so we decided to concentrate first.
It is quite possible that they are now trying to increase their forces in parallel, so that later they can develop the offensive in other directions.
But now there is no need to rush anywhere and get ahead, substituting the rear.
You can calmly, avoiding unnecessary losses, methodically move forward.

[The collective farm is voluntary.]

And why did Podolyak take that the withdrawal of troops is necessarily a complete abandonment of positions? "Superfluous" forces will be withdrawn, they will leave as much as they see fit. There are no fools to clean up the territory for the second time.

[duschman80-81]

Criminally wrong planning of the operation. Thousands of people were put under attack and repression.