Towed gun 2B16 "Nona-K"

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The "Nona-K" gun in the museum of Motovilikha Plants

Despite the objective limitations, towed artillery retains its place in the ground forces. One of the latest domestic developments in this area is the 2B16 Nona-K light gun. This product is built according to the "gun-shot" ballistic scheme and has the widest possible capabilities. It is capable of performing the functions of a gun, howitzer and mortar, and is also easy to operate.

From self-propelled to towed


In 1980, after passing all the tests, the 2S9 Nona-S artillery self-propelled gun with a 120-mm rifled 2A51 gun was adopted by the airborne troops of the Soviet army. Soon, serial armored vehicles of a new type came to Afghanistan, where they fully confirmed all their characteristics and capabilities.



Based on the results of the first stage of operation of the SAO 2S9, a proposal appeared to create a towed version of the 2A51 universal gun. Such a product could complement other artillery systems and have a positive effect on the firepower and maneuverability of airborne units and ground forces.

The 2A51 gun for self-propelled guns was developed by the Perm Machine-Building Plant. IN AND. Lenin. He was also instructed to create a towed version of this product. The promising gun received the index 2B16 and the name "Nona-K". In the future, it was planned to organize serial production in Perm.


Ground forces artillery exercise, 2020

The new project provided for a limited reworking of the existing used guns and the introduction of several new units. All this simplified the development to a certain extent, and the design did not take much time. In 1984, the first experimental "Nona-K" went to the test. The entire process of checks was completed in 1986, and according to its results, the gun received a recommendation for adoption.

Gun in series


In 1986-87. the development plant launched mass production of new guns. According to various sources, the production of such weapons continued until the end of the eighties or until the beginning of the nineties. After that, production stopped or slowed down extremely. Over the entire period of production, it was possible to produce no more than 190-200 guns of a new type - many times less than the basic 2A51.

Universal towed guns 2B16 were intended for artillery battalions of airborne assault brigades of the Airborne Forces. As production continued, it became possible to arm the Nonami-K and other types of troops. Such weapons began to enter the ground and coastal forces, where they were used to reinforce motorized rifle formations.

The main part of serial 2B16 guns was transferred to military units on the territory of the RSFSR. A certain amount ended up in formations stationed in the Ukrainian SSR - and then became the property of the newly created Ukrainian army. In 2014, Nona-K got new operators. Several guns of this type, which belonged to Ukraine, became the trophies of the troops of the DPR and LPR, after which they were actively used against the old owners.


Technical features


The towed gun 2B16 "Nona-K" is made on the basis of the product 2A51 for self-propelled guns. The finished artillery unit did not undergo fundamental changes, but received new units. In addition, a new wheeled carriage was developed for 2B16.

"Nona-K" is distinguished by its small size and weight. The length in combat position does not exceed 4,6 m. The height of the gun ready for battle is 1350 mm with a fire height of 660 mm. Product weight - 1200 kg. All this simplifies the transportation of the gun and its rolling across the battlefield. At different times, the GAZ-2 and Ural-16 trucks were regular tractors for 66B4320, but the light UAZ-469/3151 can also cope with this task. In addition, for short distances weapon rolled by its own calculation of five people.

The 2B16 gun was built around a rifled barrel of 120 mm caliber, 24,2 klb long (about 2,9 m). The bore has 40 rifling of constant steepness. The design of the barrel tube is designed to use a wide range of different types of ammunition. The breech of the gun is equipped with a semi-automatic combined shutter. The barrel is locked with a wedge; a plastic gas obturator is provided.

Unlike the basic self-propelled gun, the towed Nona-K is equipped with an active multi-chamber muzzle brake. Due to the large number of transverse partitions of a large area, it compensates for about 30% of the recoil energy. Anti-recoil devices are installed above the barrel. The recoil brake is hydraulic, the knurler is pneumatic.


Especially for Nona-K, a reduced and lightweight carriage on a wheel was developed. It is built according to the traditional scheme with an upper and lower loom. The lower machine is made on the basis of a transverse beam, on which all other units are mounted. Ahead on the beam is a lowered support for stable placement of the implement on the ground. On the sides there is a wheel drive with torsion shock absorption. Sliding beds are placed behind.

Breeding of the beds is carried out automatically with the help of elastic elements. A winch is used to return to the stowed position. There are coulters on the beds. Folding rollers are also provided, simplifying the movement of the gun in a combat position.

The upper machine includes support devices, shield cover and guidance mechanisms. Horizontal aiming is provided within 30 ° to the right and left of the axis. Elevation angles - from -10° to +80°. Aiming is carried out using manual drives and the 1P9 sight.

The 2B16 gun can use a wide range of ammunition. As part of the "gun-shot" project, several 120-mm shells with high-explosive fragmentation, cumulative and cluster charges were developed. The firing range of such projectiles reaches 8-8,8 km; when using active-reactive ammunition, this parameter increases to 12,5-12,8 km. Due to the special design, high-explosive fragmentation projectiles have a power at the level of 152-mm ammunition.


Compatibility with all types of mortar shots in 120 mm caliber is also ensured. The range of the main ammunition of this kind, depending on the type, reaches 7-7,2 km. Guided mine KM-8 "Fringe" allows you to shoot at 8-9 km with high accuracy.

Advantages and disadvantages


According to reports, the 2B16 towed guns, unlike the 2S9 self-propelled guns, were not used in Afghanistan. Information about the use of such systems in the first war in Chechnya is also missing. The first known episodes of the combat use of "Nona-K" refer to the second Chechen war - in the late nineties and early two thousandths. In 2014, several of these weapons were obtained by the Donbass militias and used against Ukrainian formations.

During numerous exercises and two full-fledged conflicts, the 2B16 Nona-K products fully showed their potential. The declared technical and combat characteristics were repeatedly confirmed. In addition, the flexibility of application and the convenience of the calculation were demonstrated.

Practice has confirmed the correctness of the decisions to reduce the size and weight. A lightweight gun can be towed by almost all army vehicles; it is also possible to roll by calculation forces. This significantly increases mobility in all conditions, improves fighting qualities and reduces risks.

On the battlefield, Nona-K can replace several classes of systems, making it especially useful for airborne units or Donbas-type militias. Thanks to the universal tool, the organization and conduct of operations is simplified. In addition, supply issues are being partially resolved - 2B16 can use some types of captured ammunition.

Towed gun 2B16 "Nona-K"

Ammunition of different types for 2A51 and 2B6 guns

With all this, the Nona-K product demonstrates fairly high combat characteristics and is not inferior to the 2S9 self-propelled gun, various mortars, etc. From this point of view, it is a convenient and effective means of fire support, hitting distant targets, etc.

However, towed guns face objective problems and limitations, and the 2B16 product is no exception. So, the tool cannot move independently, which to some extent complicates its use. Changing positions requires effort of calculation and takes some time. At the same time, gunners have minimal protection, which threatens their safety and the combat capability of the entire system.

For your niche


In general, the 2B16 "Nona-K" gun is one of the most interesting examples of modern towed artillery, both in our country and abroad. Through the use of proven solutions and components in combination with new units, it was possible to obtain a light and fairly easy-to-use system with the widest combat capabilities.

"Nona-K" was repeatedly used in real operations and demonstrated its potential. In addition, this system showed that towed guns are still relevant and can keep their place on the battlefield. However, to obtain high efficiency, new technical solutions and competent calculations are required.

Extremely positive feedback from the troops as a real and effective "infantry artillery"


Especially for this gun, artillery rounds with high-explosive fragmentation and cumulative shells with ready-made rifling on the leading belt were developed. The OF-49 and OF-51 high-explosive fragmentation shells are designed in the same way, only the OF-49 has a steel case and contains 4,9 kg of A-IX-2 explosive, while the OF-51 has a cast-iron case and 3,8 kg of A-IX -2.

In terms of effectiveness, these shells are close to 152-mm howitzer grenades. The speed of expansion of fragments of the OF-49 projectile is 1800 m / s, the number of fragments is more than 3500 pieces. (weighing from 0,5 to 15 g).
For firing from 2B16 Nona-K, an active-rocket projectile (OFARS) OF50 is also used, it has a miniature jet engine that turns on 10-13 seconds after the projectile leaves the barrel. The firing range of an active-rocket projectile is 13 km.

The 2B16 "Nona-K" cannon can fire guided (corrected) projectiles "Kitolov-2", which are aimed at the target using a laser designator.

Initial projectile speed:
- cumulative 560 m/s,
- high-explosive fragmentation 367 m / s,
- mines 109 m / s.

Combat rate of fire 8-10 rounds per minute.
  • Ryabov Kirill
  • Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, Zonwar.ru
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  1. +7
    April 3 2022 05: 18
    the number of fragments - more than 3500 pieces. (weighing from 0,5 to 15 kg).

    Something I did not understand anything.
    1. +4
      April 3 2022 06: 51
      Unfortunately, such are our journalists. Without thinking, they copy from somewhere in their articles. And misinformation begins to spread.
      The other day they show a report about the Su-34. The journalist, with an anguish in his voice, begins to shoot and tell, look what high-precision missiles are suspended with which, after a while, he will smash the Ukrainian column. The video shows the usual FAB-250. Well what can I say......???????? So here. It would seem that an insignificant and imperceptible mistake lubricates the whole impression.
      1. +10
        April 3 2022 10: 00
        .Unfortunately, such are our journalists

        Why so soon???
        Kirill has almost 5.000 articles on Military Review.
        In this case, it's a typo. Everything is correct in numbers.

        . It would seem that an insignificant and imperceptible mistake lubricates the whole impression.

        Those. for you, one small mistake (typo) crosses out the entire work of the author????????
        Bravo.
        You have all the comments about THIS.
        And not a word about the content of the material.
        .........
        Then pour a "waterfall" on me, I looked through this article for technical verification and did not notice a typo.
        1. +2
          April 3 2022 10: 29
          Quote: Aleks tv
          Kirill has almost 5.000 articles on Military Review.

          Apparently, that's the thing..
          like a machine gun
        2. +3
          April 3 2022 12: 47
          About the content of the article. One of the few corresponding to the name and spirit of the site. It is a military review. The fact that I read the article, carefully read it, can be seen from my comment. Otherwise, how would I notice an error.
          And in vain you staged some kind of showdown here. They only set people up negatively. If you do not like something, write in a personal, I will also answer.
      2. +1
        April 3 2022 22: 18
        Therefore, my opinion, before making reports, you need to delve a little. And yes, let the journalists be in stock. Either the girls run, then the type of men 0. The level of journalism from the Soviet falls strongly. And even more so SVO.
    2. +7
      April 3 2022 07: 02
      Quote: BARKAS
      Something I did not understand anything.
      Also embarrassed from 0,5 to 15 kg. rechecked the ZOF-49 test data on the TSNIITOCHMASH website: the mass of the fragments is indicated from 0,5 gr. up to 15 grams , a small typo by Cyril, it happens Yes
      1. +3
        April 3 2022 10: 07
        Due to the special design, high-explosive fragmentation shells have a power at the level of 152-mm ammunition.
        Seriously so.
        1. +2
          April 3 2022 10: 14
          120mm., equivalent to 152mm., also impressed Yes
          Quote: NIKNN
          Seriously so.
      2. +4
        April 3 2022 10: 08
        Quote from host
        Quote: BARKAS
        Something I did not understand anything.
        Also embarrassed from 0,5 to 15 kg. rechecked the ZOF-49 test data on the TSNIITOCHMASH website: the mass of the fragments is indicated from 0,5 gr. up to 15 grams , a small typo by Cyril, it happens Yes

        Hello.
        hi
        I also always look at specialized sites if there are doubts.))
        Yes, a typo.

        And the tool is interesting. Reviews from the infantry and gunners heard only the most positive. Lightweight and multifunctional.

        It would be interesting to hear Lopatov's opinion, it's a pity he is not on the site now.
        Or one of the experts.
        NONA, it seems, requires attention and accuracy to herself.
        1. +1
          April 3 2022 10: 54
          Alexey hi I myself am critical of my knowledge on the topic of artillery, caliber> name> used b / c> GAU-GRAU index here is a small list of knowledge sad , from the field of real application and evaluation of "products" is far away, let's wait for one of the knowledgeable. And Cyril's articles are informative and interesting, and the author's typo is not a reason for me to "point my finger" but to search and figure it out myself.
    3. 0
      April 3 2022 14: 00
      Probably grams, not kg
  2. +2
    April 3 2022 05: 28
    Although I had to deal with this type of guns in the service, I could not find why - Nona ...
    "Nona" is the only female name in domestic artillery systems (the legendary "Katyusha" does not count), but the tongue does not turn to call her the weaker sex. Rather, it is the goddess of war.

    Who knows? Maybe by the name of a famous actress?
    1. +5
      April 3 2022 05: 31
      New Ground Artillery Gun.
      1. +2
        April 3 2022 06: 48
        Quote: BARKAS
        New Ground Artillery Gun.

        Yes sir! soldier Although this weapon is also called a cannon-howitzer-mortar, I proposed (and propose ...) to call it a "single weapon"! At one time, even the word "unicorn" was remembered in memory of an old gun! True, I realized in time that it would be, perhaps, already an inflection! (Although ... who knows?!) By the way, for "Nona-K" the traditional "index" B was supposed at the beginning, but the military comrades realized that the combination of the name, reminiscent of a female name, with the "letter" B would not sound quite harmonious ! How many towed "nons" are left in Ukraine ... the fic knows him (!), but one article said that 4! Moreover, as a "minimum" 2 guns soon turned out to be in the hands of the Donbass militia! (There was a video on the Internet of how the gunners of the "Givi" battalion fired 120-mm feathered mines from these guns ... In my opinion, "Givi" himself could be seen there!). Later, "nones" "lit up" in the battles near Debaltseve! By the way, I think that the Nona-M1 mortar would serve as a good "help" to the Nona-K! But nothing has been heard about him lately ... which is a pity!
        1. +2
          April 3 2022 10: 07
          The Belarusian paratroopers have the Nona-m1, so this mortar is definitely launched in series.
        2. +2
          April 3 2022 20: 56
          Quote: Nikolaevich I
          How many towed "nons" are left in Ukraine ... the fic knows him (!), but one article said that 4! Moreover, as a "minimum" 2 guns soon turned out to be in the hands of the Donbass militia! (There was a video on the Internet of how the gunners of the "Givi" battalion fired 120-mm feathered mines from these guns ... In my opinion, one could see "Givi" himself there!)

          Officially, there were two "Nona-K" in Ukraine - in schools.
          There was still a lively discussion about this in the year 2015, when three (!) "Nona-Ks" were lit up at once on the video, EMNIP, of the Kozitsyns' minbattery.

          And then photos of the same AUs arrived, attributed as being in service with the Kalmius.
        3. 0
          April 14 2022 02: 20
          Not at all. Deciphering the name "NONA" as "New Ground Artillery Weapon" is just a misconception disseminated by journalists.
        4. 0
          12 May 2022 13: 44
          Quote: Nikolaevich I
          I think that the Nona-M1 mortar would serve as a good "help" to the Nona-K

          I believe that it was necessary to begin the development of the Nona family with this rifled mortar. :) And all the other guns ("Nona-S", "Nona-K") do not develop at all! As unnecessary ... Now all the SMEs of the RF Armed Forces would already be armed with this mortar ... For the same money!
      2. 0
        April 3 2022 07: 07
        Quote: BARKAS
        New Ground Artillery Gun.
        This is one of the versions (no one canceled secrecy), then what about Vienna 2S31?
        1. +1
          April 3 2022 09: 26
          Quote from host
          Quote: BARKAS
          New Ground Artillery Gun.
          This is one of the versions (no one canceled secrecy), then what about Vienna 2S31?

          They thought that "Vienna" is expensive ... Alas, infantry Vanya gets everything in the very last turn .. But he always fights in loose ranks ..
          1. +1
            April 3 2022 11: 42
            Quote: max702
            We thought that "Vienna" is expensive ... Alas
            Maksim hi , my colleague BARKAS and I are about names "products" were sorted out by Nona and Vienna and how they are deciphered. smile
      3. 0
        April 3 2022 17: 46
        Quote: BARKAS
        New Ground Artillery Gun.
        And Vienna is also deciphered?
    2. 0
      27 June 2022 21: 36
      Simply, translated from the Greek language ,, Nona ,, this is ,, Godmother ,,. Better, red. Guys with humor gave the name!
      1. 0
        28 June 2022 19: 12
        Guilty, "just a godfather"
  3. 0
    April 3 2022 06: 39
    Great, it can also throw mines. Omnivorous NONA.
  4. +1
    April 3 2022 06: 48
    "a certain amount" - and 2 and 22 guns can be. Convenient wording, no specifics
  5. +1
    April 3 2022 09: 42
    In modern warfare, a gun must immediately change position after 2-3 shots, otherwise we lose both the gun and the crew. It is clear that towed artillery cannot meet this requirement, which means only self-propelled guns, but the degree of armor (or even without armor, to lighten the weight) of the chassis is a matter for discussion. In principle, a gun (carriage) in the form of a semi-trailer would be a perfectly suitable option, but with the possibility of transferring from a combat position to a transport one in 1, maximum - 2 minutes (ideally, there is no need to unhook the tractor at all when firing). It is noteworthy that among the numerous performance characteristics considered in the article, this parameter is not even mentioned, that is, it simply does not interest anyone, neither the military nor the developers.
    1. +2
      April 3 2022 10: 19
      If you want cheap and cheerful, Phlox is tested. 120mm gun mounted in the body. After shooting 2-3-4 shots, the paws were removed, while the paws are removed, the calculation jumps into the cockpit and legs in the hands.
      Pak Lopatov is not visible, I will express my opinion that Phlox is almost ideal for battalion artillery, instead of 120mm mortars.
      You can have a battery of cornflowers on motorcycle leagues, and two batteries of self-propelled phloxes.
    2. 0
      April 3 2022 19: 37
      It depends on what conditions. It is necessary, very necessary, to have artillery at checkpoints and outposts. And if you put self-propelled guns instead of towed guns, then they will be lost under strong enemy fire. There are also hard-to-reach places where weapons can only be delivered by helicopter. So, it would be quite reasonable to additionally equip the guns with an automated drive and use them further.
    3. +1
      April 5 2022 09: 52
      I would like to add that the execution in the form of a trailer or semi-trailer is very appropriate for small calibers like the 82-mm Vasilek mortar or the 57-mm S-60 anti-aircraft gun. For Nona, as I see it, the trailer will look bulky, it would be better then immediately on a car chassis in the form of Phlox self-propelled guns.
  6. +1
    April 3 2022 10: 25
    Towed gun 2B16 "Nona-K"

    Not always 120mm is enough. Based on this development, a 160-mm gun is needed. In urban areas, as shown by Syria, the 160-mm mortar was very effective. So this is a mortar, but if you make a gun like "Nona".
    1. 0
      April 3 2022 10: 45
      At Shirokarada I read about the need for a modern clone of a 15cm German infantry gun just for such cases.
    2. +2
      April 3 2022 10: 53
      Will not work. Nona and her relatives were created on the basis of a rifled barrel and are already available on almost any base except, perhaps, a tank one, which gives amazing versatility in use and simplifies the supply of ammunition. And the 160 mm is just a mortar, too powerful for the same development vector with the same results and benefits.
      1. 0
        April 3 2022 11: 50
        Quote: Maxim Davydov
        And the 160 mm is just a mortar
        weighted answer, good based on reality.
    3. -3
      April 3 2022 12: 30
      A 120 mm shot is almost a 152 mm cannon projectile. For battalion purposes, even slightly redundant. The battalion has targets within 5-7 km. Anything further is already food for the artillery of the brigade and possibly the Air Force. In modern warfare, no one will be worth pillboxes with two or three meters of concrete. A rather ancient and cheap X-29 will take it down with one hit. The network is full of videos where an ATGM flies into an embrasure / window. Why does a battalion need a shot weighing over 80 kg, which is hard to carry, deliver to the front line, and which cannot be put in self-propelled guns in many? If you really, really need it, then either Smerch, or OFAB 250, or S-25 will fold the panels.
    4. +2
      April 3 2022 17: 49
      Quote: riwas

      Not always 120mm is enough. Based on this development, a 160-mm gun is needed. In urban areas, as shown by Syria, the 160-mm mortar was very effective. So this is a mortar, but if you make a gun like "Nona".
      152mm howitzer Pat B 2А61
      Already in metal...
      soldier
      1. 0
        April 5 2022 10: 57
        Alas, given the increased capabilities of the "partners" in the field of counter-battery combat, I can only repeat my thought: such a weapon, which opened fire and is not able to quickly change position, in a few minutes will no longer be in metal, but in scrap metal, covered with the blood of its own calculation.
        To paraphrase the words of an American general (I think Patton) - the gun should help enemy soldiers give their lives for their homeland, and not increase the number of heroic deaths from among their troops.
  7. 0
    April 3 2022 10: 46
    And how many of them are actually in the army?
  8. 0
    April 3 2022 11: 33
    Alexander Khodakovsky in the cart has a mention of the use of Nona-K. He regrets that he is not there now, it would be very useful in urban battles.
    1. -1
      April 3 2022 19: 39
      Don't really trust Khodakovsky. In urban battles, 152-mm self-propelled guns, for direct fire, together with tanks, are much more appropriate.
      Carrying a heavy gun by hand, for a defenseless gun crew, is still a pleasure.
      1. -2
        April 3 2022 20: 20
        Now, when fighting in the ruins of the plant, it would be very good, using together with tanks, the 152 cannon, and while ensuring the security of the position, it would be good to work out the "Solntsepek om" there.
        1. 0
          April 3 2022 21: 53
          And how do you plan to move a gun weighing 1200 kg, and with a very long long barrel, through the ruins of the city? Will you use horse-drawn traction, a tilt truck, or will you roll the gun and ammunition behind it with crew forces?
          1. -2
            April 3 2022 21: 59
            Not all the streets of the city are impassable, well, it's a fact, a light gun clings to any vehicle, they shot back and quickly left, it clings quickly, with a trained calculation it is possible.
            Our mortars with wild speed after five shots dumped.
            In addition, this tool should not be used alone as a unit, but in a complex.
            1. 0
              April 3 2022 22: 15
              Not all streets are impassable? Maybe they are also perfectly flat without a slope? And the trucks, apparently, calmly move along the streets of the city, turn around, and take them where they need to go.
              And why do we still not see large towed guns in urban battles?
              1. -1
                April 3 2022 22: 18
                In formidable, there were towed guns, there were cool streets, and they did not iron him at all, except for the territory of the oil plant, although they flew there too. But what, milking guns need an ideal flat surface ???
          2. -2
            April 4 2022 07: 42
            Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
            And how do you plan to move a gun weighing 1200 kg, and with a very long long barrel, through the ruins of the city?

            Probably the same as in the Second World War in Berlin ZIS-3 rolled ...
            1. 0
              April 4 2022 09: 02
              Should it be clarified how the means of destruction have changed since 1945 and the survival rate of the undisguised gun crew has decreased, or are you yourself aware of the changes that have taken place?
              1. -2
                April 4 2022 09: 08
                Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
                It should be clarified how the means of destruction have changed since 1945 and the survival rate of undisguised gun crew has decreased

                No way for the city - which the Chechen one showed ... Only Zhukov was in Berlin, and PashaMercedes was in Chechnya ...
                PySy - with tanks like Chechnya, the same song showed ...
                More PySy - especially since this system allows you to fire at a mortar ..
                1. -1
                  April 4 2022 09: 16
                  That is, do you welcome the idea of ​​​​using towed artillery during the assault on cities, right in the middle of city blocks?
                  1. -2
                    April 4 2022 09: 19
                    Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
                    That is, do you welcome the idea of ​​​​using towed artillery during the assault on cities?

                    That is, look how cities were stormed in WWII ...
                    Although, of course, there is an option dated August 6, 1945, but there, in principle, artillery is not needed in the city ..
                    1. -1
                      April 4 2022 09: 36
                      If you don’t feel sorry for the gun crews, I have no more questions.
                      1. -2
                        April 4 2022 09: 40
                        Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
                        If gun crews are not a pity

                        Well, yes, as the war began, you must immediately surrender.
                        PySy - Do you also feel sorry for the tankers? Is there any infantry there?
  9. +3
    April 3 2022 12: 07
    I'll insert a quote:
    In conditions of dense urban development, there is little that is effective from field firepower. Overhead trajectory mortars are more likely to hit rooftops or facades, but at such an angle that the mines do not fly inside. Artillery strikes from distant positions and does not hit well behind a solid wall of houses - the enemy feels calm under buildings from the "leeward" side. Tanks are vulnerable and clumsy - the same with other armored vehicles. Wearable "artillery" in the form of hand-held flamethrowers and grenade launchers, as well as SPG-9, is actually low-powered, and it needs to be hit clearly into openings, otherwise there will be no sense from it. We even sawed XNUMX incendiary mines, pushed the incendiary mixture into fragmentation grenades to the grenade launcher to enhance the effect - but although a useful thing, the ballistics are violated, and it is difficult to understand how it will fly.

    There is a good thing, but it is not in the troops - NONA "K". A small-sized universal cannon of a hundred and twenty caliber, weighing slightly heavier than a mortar of the same caliber - only two hundred tons - which the calculation is able to move even without a tractor. Here her direct fire "from house to house" would be effective. I had a couple of pieces in the fourteenth - could not get enough. I advise you to rob paratroopers for future battles in the city and throw these products into the troops.

    Source: Alexander Khodakovsky, https://t.me/aleksandr_skif/2034
    1. +1
      April 3 2022 20: 21
      I don’t know, at one time, that our mortars in the city helped us well, that theirs didn’t let us live.
  10. +2
    April 3 2022 15: 34
    A good option for urban and suburban battles
    1. -1
      April 3 2022 19: 44
      The rocket infantry flamethrower RPO-A "Bumblebee" is a good option for urban battles, and not a heavy, clumsy cannon.
      1. -1
        April 3 2022 20: 22
        This gun is quite agile and very effective, what is the range of the Bumblebee? And the guns? And when fired from a bumblebee, getting a sniper bullet in the forehead is much more likely than an artilleryman
        1. -2
          April 3 2022 20: 38
          Do you have even a vague idea of ​​what it means to drag a cannon weighing more than one ton under enemy fire through city streets? I doubt it very much. We have already run out of armored personnel carriers, tanks, self-propelled guns, and are we starting to drag manually towed guns along the city streets?
          1. 0
            April 3 2022 20: 39
            Carried an 82mm mortar, no gun, no
  11. +1
    April 3 2022 17: 50
    Quote: Aleks tv
    It would be interesting to hear Lopatov's opinion, it's a pity he is not on the site now.

    I remember he complained that the ammunition for this system was expensive.
  12. 0
    April 3 2022 21: 38
    Rifled barrel and conventional mortar mine. What is it like?
  13. 0
    April 4 2022 00: 37
    In principle, I agree with the technical comments in the article.

    In the second phase of the special operation, when Ukrainian forces are significantly weakened in the area of ​​Donetsk and Lugansk, I expect to see an important role of artillery in this area. Russia has proven that it knows how to avoid exhaustion.

    In general, I expect to see in the most active areas of the front line the full deployment of the remaining units (including the reserve) from:

    0.-) Weapons and heavy support materials related to projects that will continue outside the Armed Forces of Russia, Donetsk, Luhansk, South Ossetia, Abkhazia and Belarus after the end of the special operation (including an important part of the materials seized from Ukraine).
    1.-) КРАЗ-255/256/257/258/259 (вспомогательный).
    2.-) GAZ-66 (auxiliary).
    3.-) ЗИЛ-130/131/133/136/137/138 (вспомогательный).
    4.-) KRAZ-250/260/6437 (auxiliary).
    5.-) BMP-1.
    6.-) Hyacinth-B.
    7.-) Nona-K.
    8.-) Strela-10.
    9.-) Msta-B.
    10.-) Iveco LMV / Lynx (auxiliary).
    11.-) IL-38: Note that the front line includes the entire Russian coast, with the exception of the Caspian Sea.
    12.-) 2C9.
    13.-) BTR-D.
    14.-) BMD-2.

    In terms of man-portable materials and light unmanned aerial vehicles, I expect to see in the most active areas of the front line the full deployment of the remaining units (including the reserve) from:

    1.-) Searcher / Outpost.

    (Automatically translated from English. Below is the original commentary in English)

    Basically, I agree with the technical comments in the article.

    In the second stage of the special operation, with the Ukrainian forces significantly weakened in the area of ​​Donetsk and Lugansk, I expect to see an important role for the artillery in the area. Russia to proven know how to avoid attrition.

    In overall terms, I expect to see, in the most active areas of the frontline, a complete deployment of the remaining units (including the reserve) of:

    0.-) The armament and heavy auxiliary material, related to projects to continue not in the Armed Forces of Russia, Donetsk, Lugansk, South Ossetia, Abkhazia and Belarus, after the end of the special operation (including an important part of the material captured from Ukraine).
    1.-) KRAZ-255/256/257/258/259 (auxiliary).
    2.-) GAZ-66 (auxiliary).
    3.-) ZIL-130/131/133/136/137/138 (auxiliary).
    4.-) KRAZ-250/260/6437 (auxiliary).
    5.-) BMP-1.
    6.-) Giatsint-B.
    7.-) Nona-K.
    8.-) Strela-10.
    9.-) Msta-B.
    10.-) Iveco LMV / Rys (auxiliary).
    11.-) Il-38: To note that the frontline includes the entire Russian coast, except the Caspian sea.
    12.-) 2S9.
    13.-) BTR-D.
    14.-) BMD-2.

    In the referred to man-portable material and light UAVs, I expect to see, in the most active areas of the frontline, a complete deployment of the remaining units (including the reserve) of:

    1.-) Searcher / Forpost.
  14. 0
    April 14 2022 02: 17
    Guided mine KM-8 "Fringe" allows you to shoot at 8-9 km with high accuracy.

    Yes, it does. But not from 2B16 - it is not used in this gun.
  15. 0
    19 May 2022 19: 39
    An excellent weapon, both on the chassis and on the gun carriage!
  16. 0
    25 June 2022 20: 33
    Who will answer me, why did they optimize NONA SVK and NONA S? There are no these machines on the CBO video, where are they?
  17. 0
    7 November 2022 19: 38
    The 2B16 gun was installed on the Zauralets-D SAO.

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