German intelligence: the capture of Russian spies - the most important event since the Cold War

German authorities say the detention of alleged employees of the Foreign Intelligence Service of Russia and consider it one of the most important successes of their special services in recent years. This statement was made by the head of the Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution of Germany (BFF), Hans-Georg Maasen.

The so-called illegal immigrants of the German counterintelligence can be identified for the first time since the end of the Cold War. It was only possible to arrest alleged spies due to the “intensive operational work” of the BFF, Maassen stressed.

According to the authorities, the couple Andreas and Gudrun A. were in Germany for more than 20 years. Profits in Germany in the period from 1988 to 1990 year and, presumably, received from SVR to 100 thousand euros per year. Their goal was to collect data on the activities of the EU and NATO, as well as the socio-political climate in the country.

According to the prosecutor's office, the defendants were in constant contact with Moscow. For the transmission of information they used satellite communications and Internet sites, where they allegedly placed encrypted messages. Another channel of communication was a diplomat from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Netherlands.

The couple was arrested in October 2011 by fighters of the elite group of the federal police in the fight against terrorism GSG-9 and special divisions of the Office of Criminal Cases (BKA). The operation was carried out simultaneously in two federal states - Hesse and Baden-Württemberg. The alleged spy was delayed at the time she received the encrypted radio message.

The case of intelligence officers will be considered by the High Land Court of Stuttgart. The detainees, according to passport data, were Austrian citizens of Latin American origin. The man was born in Argentina, and the woman is a native of Peru.

According to local media, employees of the Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution went on the trail of alleged spies after a network of illegal Russian spies was discovered in the US in the summer of 2010, ITAR-TASS reports.

Comments

[Tirpitz]

The SVR chain of failures continues. Maybe a mole?

[Tjumenec72]

Something is wrong with this information.

The couple was arrested in October 2011 fighters of the elite squad federal counterterrorism police GSG-9 and special units of the Criminal Office (BKA).

Two seniors? elite squad? show masks or something ...
Rather, it is an element of information warfare.

[Bronis]

Maybe they were non-lagal, but just why was it announced a year later? Either they were waiting for the moment, or they checked everything in detail. Usually they don’t drag out such news for a long time ... strange
They would now think about the Euro, about Greece, about the Soul ...

[Committee]

They can declare it in 5 years, this is intelligence, and there is an ace up its sleeve and a year later - an ace. He took it out when needed and that's it! Politics whisper ...

[Bronis]

The question is why it was needed right now?

[aksakal]

Quote: Bronis

Maybe they were non-lagal, but just why was it announced a year later? Either they were waiting for the moment, or they checked everything in detail. Usually they don’t drag out such news for a long time ... it’s strange if we think about the Euro now, about Greece, about the Soul ...

- The usual, already parable of the town, German pedantry
As for the euro, Greece .... Something of Germany is not interesting, it is much more interesting to develop anti-Russian activity. What they are interested in, I do not know, but like that. Many here give the union of Germany and Russia! Which union? Without any alliances, Russia will have to become strong. And so strong that if an attack of anti-Russianism had arisen in some of them, they would be better off hiding their attack.

[Committee]

What (further mat) mole ??? Have you forgotten about the 5th column?

[beard999]

Quote: Tirpitz

Maybe a mole?

Judging by this quote, "... employees of the Federal Office for the Defense of the Constitution went on the trail of alleged spies after a network of Russian illegal spies was discovered in the US in the summer of 2010." This is the case of the same Judah-Poteev.
http://militariorg.ucoz.ru/publ/oficer_svr_zaochno_poluchil_25_let_tjurmy_za_bes
korystnoe_predatelstvo_stoivshee_rossii_seti_quot_nelegalov_quot_v_ssha_prjamoj_
ushherb_50_mln/1-1-0-1422 .
And as they wrote in the media, this nits was an initiative. The most difficult to deal with. Perhaps we will disentangle this betrayal for a long time ...

[53-Sciborskiy]

As spy Abel said in prison,
Shot in the ocean from a ship,
To avoid hitting a rake,
We must clearly know the escape route.

[Civil]

Tirpitz,

The SVR chain of failures continues. Maybe a mole?

a high mole,

[MI-AS-72]

Someone leaked. guys, on the other hand, a country in which the basis of the ideology of existence is only profit (money), where its elite does not see itself as part of the people of Russia, it cannot be otherwise. Everything is for sale and everything is bought. I hope that there will be money for their redemption.

[Uhalus]

do not expect ... :( Only money ....: (((

[volcano]

C'mon, raise a panic ..... disclosing an agent is also part of the work ..... and in Soviet times, we were disclosing our ... how do we .... Where without it ....
It is naive to think that everything is there ..... Of course, it is a pity for failure, but it happens ...

[Beck]

Volcano

"Come on raise a panic ..... disclosing an agent is also part of the job."

Objectively and realistically. Intelligence work takes this for granted. Who would have been without failures, now would "own" the world,

Work moment.

[baltika-18]

Quote: Beck

Objectively and realistically. Intelligence work takes this as given.

Quote: Beck

Objectively and realistically. Intelligence work takes this as given.

I support you Beck, there is nothing extraordinary, intelligence is intelligence. It always fights in peacetime and in war.

[Captain Vrungel]

Twenty years in illegal immigrants! What can I say. The couple worked great. Failure is clearly not their fault. Handed over.

[Cynic]

Quote: Beck

Work moment.

We will innocently return to the victims. Only an interesting proportion can learn: Will we change in parts or will prepayment be made?

[11 black]

well, if you look from the other side, it only proves that "the Cheka does not sleep, the Cheka is working" there is still someone to disclose, not everything in 90 is about ***, but what they revealed is a pity of course, but without this in any way ...

[Aaron Zawi]

Guys, why are you freaking out? On the one hand, the SVR acts in the interests of the Russian Federation, which means it sends spies. On the other hand, German counterintelligence acts in the interests of Germany and tries to expose them. Apparently the scouts acted actively otherwise they simply would not have come out. There are no eternal spies, no matter how talented they are. The main thing now for the Russian Federation is to pull out its people, and there is and will be espionage.

[Apollo]

quote-Their goal was to collect data on the activities of the EU and NATO, as well as the socio-political climate in the country.

1. There are so many open nymphs in the internet that with a good collection and comparison of facts, you can do a good analysis! IMHO

2. By the way, on our forum, too, sometimes, no. No comments are allowed for the nymphs, which in my opinion should not be laid out!

[lelikas]

Exactly ! Pay 100kilos euro for what is already visible? and even having a representative in NATO.

[tarks]

infa from the word information. order with the head, to the letters more carefully.

[Zynaps]

Quote: Apollon

1. There are so many open nymphs in the internet that with a good collection and comparison of facts, you can do a good analysis! IMHO

For this, analytical centers are usually arranged. a pair of scouts will not process the news of even one city, and not that of a whole country. and you also need to be able to filter out journalistic nonsense and other informational noise.

according to the mood in the country and the appearance of certain trends that could be dangerous for the current regime, special closed reports are created for a few people from the government, various important extracts from documents, statistics and other data. and such information already sifted and verified is of great interest to any intelligence.

[bairat]

The Germans should have left a psychological complex after the discovery of the agent of the GDR intelligence, a personal assistant to the chancellor.

[Zynaps]

it was a very long time ago - actually in a different era. since then a lot of water has flowed and everything has changed so much that remembering the now introduced Stasi referent for Willy Brandt is somewhere ridiculous.

how Germany unified and how meanly and rotting the FRG’s authorities came with people from the NNA and the German Democratic Republic’s security services (who didn’t violate the laws of the FRG), mixing them with dirt, putting them in prisons, infringing rights and demonizing foreign intelligence there should be no shortage of assistants among the Germans.

in fact, the FRG has had such problems since its inception. their security service - the BND - was created by the Nazi Gelen, they recruited employees smeared with blood and compromised during the 3rd Reich, worked the BND under the close guardianship of the CIA, was not too picky in methods, and for those of the Germans who had a good time in the war above the roof, this was enough to cooperate with Soviet or East German intelligence.

and after 1989, everyone walks on the same rake ...

[Beck]

Quote: Zynaps

BND - was created by the Nazi Gelen, it recruited employees smeared with blood and compromised during the time of the 3rd Reich,

Gehlen was not a member of the Nazi party. The BND of West Germany could not recruit "employees smeared with blood and compromised during the 3rd Reich." Since all former Nazis, war criminals in the Federal Republic of Germany were defeated in their rights. They did not have the right to hold positions in state institutions.

[afire]

Normal work, was-is-will be, will be exchanged by spies and that's all,

[askort154]

It’s necessary that the collection of information on the activities of the EU and NATO is espionage, and the fact that in Russia openly call for a change of power in the Western content,
these are "human rights defenders and the opposition." If they cannot be expelled, then we can arrange exchanges for our disclosed agents, and one in five.
the first five: Makfol, Kasparov, Nemtsov, Alekseev, Navalny.

[Cold]

German counterintelligence manages to identify so-called illegal immigrants for the first time since the end of the Cold War Yeah, only Rossiyskie spies advertise

[greenk19]

You're right, it makes you think about our failures and their successes ... It seems to me (purely personal) that in our Foreign Ministry, the Foreign Intelligence Service works for itself, and not for the country. In Africa, the ambassador was beaten because he did not allow the diplomatic service to be inspected and they began to spread rot, and the fact that the presenter did not allow him to inspect, everything is fine. There are many officials, children must be arranged ... Are there many talented people from simple families?

[Zynaps]

because there should be more of them. agents left after the USSR, East Germans unjustly offended by the authorities, former Stasi agents pressed everywhere ...

[Yarbay]

*** employees of the Federal Office for the Defense of the Constitution went on the trail of alleged spies after a network of Russian illegal spies was discovered in the USA in the summer of 2010, *** - then they detained this married couple! Apparently the same the man betrayed them all !!
Old information !!

[wave]

Well done spies, let's spy for us!

[sergey261180]

Only for 100000 euros per year is too much!

[B_KypTke]

In the case of Germany, I think there is technical espionage, that is, the theft of advanced technologies. And what did they expect from us? They once sold the shares of the OPEL plant, the printers intervened - the result of the failed deal was thrown at us. And the point is not in the production of machines as such, but we needed a modern production line with a clearance tolerance ... well, let's say 3 microns for example. But the burghers followed the lead of the pushers to the detriment of their reputation, but we either need these lines for the military industry, otherwise we are uncompetitive already now. So let the cute burghers not make round eyes, but continue to lick the overseas anuses, and we will get the technologies we need. No time for sentimentality now - WAR is just around the corner.

[1976AG]

So what are they doing round eyes from? That since the Cold War, spies have been caught for the first time! Already surprised themselves! Before that, nothing worked out!

[Zynaps]

Quote: B_KypTke

They once sold the shares of the OPEL plant, the printers intervened - the result of the failed deal was thrown at us.

this is not true. Opel's American owners wanted to improve their business by selling the Opel brand and part of production. without the transfer of design bureaus, engineering personnel, patents and technologies. and nobody needed this tinsel when it became clear what the Americans really wanted.

Quote: B_KypTke

In the case of Germany, I think there is technical espionage, that is, the theft of advanced technologies.

in the case of Germany, everything takes place. because this country is the locomotive of Europe, it has huge military and economic potential, its own interests (in the Russian Federation too). even the wiggling of a finger of such a giant cannot be neglected.

[Averias]

I see no reason to panic, normal intelligence affairs. Someone is introduced, someone is caught - they have such a job. Why make noise?

[not good]

Something more and more often leaks in the SVR, is it time to call the plumbing

[Sasha 19871987]

yeah ... in fact, everything can be found out anyway, in our time the Internet ....

[Zynaps]

find out for me on the Internet the names of all the agents of German intelligence in Russia and Ukraine. and also by them recruited citizens of our states. with me beer and cookies.

[Nechai]

Quote: Bronis

but only why a year later announced?

And turn over .... Twisted, spit, processed, well, now announced ....

Quote: Negoro

Something more and more often leaks in the SVR, is it time to call the plumbing

The forester is a more guaranteed and absolutely reliable tool.

[Yarbay]

Quote: Nechai

And turn over .... Twisted, spit, processed, well, now announced ...

My dear, they announced then, two years ago, and they arrested me, I even remember their surname like Anschluss or what it was !!
Just why now again they threw in the Old it is not clear to me !!

[Stary oper]

B_KypTke
If I'm not mistaken, they worked at the US Air Force base in Ramstein. So this was not industrial espionage, but the real work of collecting military information.
With regard to the fact that "the war is not far off," then, as they say, God forbid.
And Germany is not at all what it was at the time of the Fuhrer. :) Already at least by ethnic composition. Another 20-30 years (and for history this is not a period) and the Germans in Germany will become a national minority. I'm not even talking about the potential "fifth column" of the faces of immigrants from the former USSR, who, if something happens, will clearly not be on the side of Germany ... :)

[Nechai]

Quote: Stary oper

And Germany is already completely different from what it was during the Fuhrer.

Eugene, this applies only to the western Deutschland, but the youth in the lands of the former East Germany are another calico ...

[Stary oper]

Nechai.
I can't speak about young people from part of the GDR. Was only a couple of times in Berlin, but once in Dresden. And young people, it seems to me, are different everywhere, although, of course, society leaves its mark and this is especially noticeable on it, and certain views and priorities are always formed according to a certain social order. This is what the "free" press and other media are for. We are all relatively free in our views. That is, sometimes we are simply not aware of the often latent influence on our views.

[wax]

Soon the collection of any information will be announced as espionage. You can only talk about boobs and w-oops. Schizophrenia covers the globe with a dense blanket.

[AIR ZNAK]

Germany took a couple of our ** **. Over the past 2 decades. Actually not so much. And I would like our counterintelligence to expose more of our skins. There will be failures.

[Nechai]

Quote: AIR-ZNAK

And I would wish our counterintelligence to expose more our skins

Eugene, these skins are NOT OUR long ago ... In the post-Stalin era, our counterparts seemed to be exposed ONLY with the filing of "moles" in THEIR intelligence community. And then a taboo was imposed on this matter. Kalugin every morning on the St. Petersburg embankments did jogging with the US Consul (a career intelligence officer) and why they talked there all the time, well, there was no way to establish. Never.

Quote: Stary oper

We are all quite free in our views. That is, we simply sometimes do not realize the often underlying influence on our views.

That's right. I spoke about this. Impact on the West Germans was carried out colossal. It is for changing the mentality of the nation. Hence the same-sex marriage and other perversions. And in general, these children are needed. Some expenses and no thanks. Here's a kitty, al doggie make it glamorous. And when Medvedev publicly announced that we need to change our European ministry as well, that’s arrogance. For this purpose alone - to the small bench for a lawyer in the room of the Military Collegium of the Tribunal and the indictment under Article 275 of the Criminal Code ...
And immigrants from the GDR, they have not yet been decomposed, as their western compatriots arrogantly looking at them. And the spirit of revenge for the defeat of THEIR MOTHERLAND WILL NOT DISAPPEAR AND WILL NOT BE DISAPPEARED by itself ...

[Stary oper]

Nechai
The fact that during the existence of the GDR an entire generation of people with a completely different mentality has grown, unlike the West Germans, is a fact that Germany is now forced to pay attention to. The euphoria of the fall of the Berlin Wall quickly dissipated. And what is the result? And as a result, ruined enterprises, a sharp increase in unemployment in the eastern part of the country. Moreover, hourly wage rates in the eastern part are lower than in the western part, in the same way all social payments, at absolutely equal prices. West Germans look at the East as poor relatives and grumble about the so-called joint tax, which is levied for the development of the infrastructure of those lands. It comes to the point that diplomas of teachers and kindergarten teachers of citizens from the GDR (who were educated in the days of socialism) are not recognized in Western lands. In short, East Germans became peculiar outcasts in their own country. As a kind of protest, the fashion for all of the GDR is growing. Symbols, portraits of Honneker, products. More and more nostalgic moods. People say that better we will live poorer, but in a fairer (in their concept) society. So this is still a problem for Germany. And in conditions of increasingly noticeable stratification in society, it is these eastern lands that become the mainstay for the left movement.

[Beck]

Quote: Stary oper

The euphoria of the fall of the Berlin Wall quickly dissipated. And what is the result? And as a result, ruined enterprises, a sharp increase in unemployment in the eastern part of the country. Moreover, hourly wage rates in the eastern part are lower than in the western part, in the same way all social payments, at absolutely equal prices. West Germans look at the East as poor relatives and grumble about the so-called joint tax, which is levied for the development of the infrastructure of those lands.

Well, you pulled it out of the late 80s of the 90s. Of course it was, but now everything is more or less settled down. What do you want? For anyone, it took time to transfer the economy from socialist to capitalist rails. It was a transition period .. And in the CIS countries there was a mess in the 90s, when the socialist economy collapsed. Combine North and South Korea now and it will also take time to dock economies.

[Stary oper]

Beck

Well, you pulled it out of the late 80s of the 90s.

Let me remind you that the unification took place on October 3, 1990, so there can hardly be any talk about the end of the 80s. :)
The second one. Just nostalgic moods began to appear more in recent years. It is understandable. The property of human memory is mostly good.

[Beck]

The old opera.

Well, I was mistaken, not at the end of 80, but in 90. The meaning is not changing. And in recent times, nostalgia has not been massively manifested, well, of course, someone has it. Nostalgia, after all, is one of spiritual qualities. And if everything was as you expect, then Merkel would not have seen the post of chancellor, because she is from East Germany.

[Stary oper]

Beck.
It seems that you know better the situation in Germany than I, who lives here. :)
And the example of Angela Merkel is completely off topic. :) You explicitly confuse the private with the general.

[Beck]

The old opera.

Well, live. And, what is the situation that you described, only exacerbated? Merkel is not the topic, so not the topic. But if you accept your statements as 100, then what can you expect in ten years of the collapse of East Germany and its disconnection. We here in the CIS countries also have people who are nostalgic for the USSR and extolling the Communists, but this does not mean that we need to go back.

And then. Not in your direction. Because I have no reason to distrust you. In Kazakhstan, there may also be a person who will describe Kazakhstan as one of the circles of hell.

[Stary oper]

Beck
It was not about collapse. It was about the fact that there is a certain difference in mentality between East and West Germans, about a certain inequality between citizens and that there is nostalgia (in the eastern lands) about the times of the GDR. But nostalgia arises when people feel worse in the present than in the past. No matter where they live.

[Beck]

The old opera.

I agree with these words. Okay.

[AIR ZNAK]

Regarding the fate of the bear skin, I agree.

[Stasi.]

Perhaps there is a mole in the SVR, this was seriously spoken about after exposing our best agent in the CIA, Aldrich Ames. Intelligence believes that Ames was betrayed. The fact that the Germans exposed our illegal immigrants is normal. The whole question is why the failure occurred: through the fault of agents or through someone else's fault? The Russian government intends to merge the FSB, SVR and other special services formed after the collapse of the KGB. I believe that this is correct, the country needs a strong, unified state security service. If this happens, one of the greatest crimes of the Yeltsin regime will be corrected. Yeltsin, at the behest of the West, has ruined one of the most powerful KGB special services in the world.

[Cynic]

Quote: Stasi.

Perhaps in the SVR there is a mole,

You do not confirm your nickname, above was laid out information about the source of the phenomenal success of fighters with SVR.
Yes, even

the country needs a strong, unified state security service

There should be several special services, competition of special services guarantee the reliability of information.

[Zynaps]

Quote: Cynic

There should be several special services, competition of special services guarantee the reliability of information.

I've always believed that special services should be primarily competent and unconditionally loyal to their country. all the more so as the SVR (former PSU) and the GRU are working outward, as before. and each has its own tasks. and, somehow, the dispersed directorates of the former KGB do not show the same efficiency as the former Office.

[Cynic]

Quote: Zynaps

something, overclocked controls former KGB don't show the same effectiveness what the former Office gave.

It has long been said: The question asked contains the answer.
New ones simply do not want to be dispersed for effective work.

[Stary oper]

So the Stasi, too, at one time was not the last on the list of world special services. :)
You can consider this as a compliment to your nickname. :)

[Cynic]

Quote: Stary oper

The Stasi, too, at one time was not the last on the list of world special services

The second after KaGeBe.

[Zynaps]

Quote: Stasi.

after exposing our best CIA agent, Aldrich Ames

Ames - he's from the FBI counterintelligence.

Quote: Stasi.

The Russian government intends to merge the FSB, SVR and other special services formed after the collapse of the KGB. I believe that this is correct, the country needs a strong, unified state security service.

for the country it is much more important to have dedicated citizens - professionals not for cookies, but "because there is such a profession - to defend the Motherland." In the meantime, I recommend finding and reading how and why the SVR sent useless party-goers to the States, like the notorious Ani Chapman, whom, together with her partner, the management repeatedly warned about incomplete official compliance (no one was recruited at all) and inappropriate waste of public money. so that the qualitative composition of intelligence will be exactly the same as the quality personnel of the authorities. and it is below the baseboard.

well and here

[Vladimir SU]

It’s good that they didn’t hit the Gestapo ... :(

[uizik]

Information about a pair of scouts is very scarce. From it we can conclude that they were sitting and over the fence were monitoring the Ramstein military base. And all this is called collecting data on the activities of NATO and the EU, as well as the socio-political climate in the country. Well, well!

[Hippopotamus]

The State Department said "fas", and these are happy to try! It is especially funny to hear about information about the "socio-political climate". That is, without residents (for 100 pieces of Eureka per year!) SVR, as well as the customer (i.e., the government), can not guess about this steamed turnip.

"We used satellite communications and Internet sites to transfer information" - that is, an ordinary email with a standard PGP-encrypted file attached turned out to be beyond the means for SVR !!!

In fact, not smart, and not even interesting. Another propaganda sucks.

[Zynaps]

these experts ... the "socio-political climate", cleared of information hype and expert opinions of journalist, passed through several analytical departments of the competent authorities and compiled in stamp brochures for top officials of the state - this is what all intelligence services in the world are hunting for.

and here people are stupidly aggravated by journalistic nonsense.

[Kochetkov.serzh]

maybe true or maybe not true ....

[Bobxnumx]

Catch, catch everyone, do not catch comrades Hans?

[I-16M]

The Germans must not show 17 instants of spring!

[v53993]

They waited and were silent, so much because there was no go-ahead from the State Department.
During this time, the information soured.
There was only noise, like in the reeds.
So they make noise.

[datur]

rather weak in americosia, so the whole network, and what a beautiful !!!!!

[v53993]

You can draw and not that.

[datur]

the funny thing is in Germany, there are so many Germans of Russian origin !!!!! that the Turks are resting !!

eg!!!

[datur]

WHOSE THAT with the server !!!!

[v53993]

And what about the server? Hanged, and jumped back. It happens.

[v53993]

And how many Russians are of German origin? Even the Germans are resting.

[studentmati]

Failure is a professional cost. Experienced scouts always prepare for it. Like any master of his craft must be able to take a blow, I remember the death of the commander of the "Russian Knights" Tkachenko, how his colleagues worked clearly and without panic after the fall of the commander's side.

[vadim58]

This is a method of information warfare, agents need to be trained better and more, it is now a necessity!