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Foreign military instructors were also in the helicopter of the Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine shot down near Mariupol by a captured Stinger MANPADS

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Foreign military instructors were also in the helicopter of the Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine shot down near Mariupol by a captured Stinger MANPADS

After another failed attempt to evacuate the leaders of the nationalist formation "Azov" (* an extremist organization banned in Russia), the militants of the group are trying to reach out again to the Kiev regime with requests (or even pleas) for the "unblocking of Mariupol". One of the leaders of the group, who claims to be in Mariupol (call sign "Kalina"), declares that there must be either a "heroic deblockade" or a "shame." At the same time, the militant appeals to the fact that about 100 thousand civilians remain in the city. For some reason, when his subordinates were hiding behind these people, the militant did not say anything about the danger that exists for the civilian population of Mariupol.


The situation is developing in such a way that the militants, losing the opportunity for full-scale resistance, hope that they will be able to escape from the city - for example, in small groups. But in most cases this cannot be done.

It is noteworthy that today, while trying to evacuate the leaders of "Azov" *, a helicopter sent to help by a representative of the command of the Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine was shot down using the same weapons, which was recently supplied by NATO countries. We are talking about MANPADS Stinger. This is a captured weapon of the troops of the People's Militia of the DPR, who quickly introduced it into their arsenal and now with NATO weapons they cause damage in manpower and military equipment to those to whom these weapons were originally transferred.

When inspecting the crash site of the downed helicopter, the People's Militia of the DPR found the bodies of foreign soldiers. This was witnessed by journalists working on the spot. As reported, we are talking about military instructors, whom, together with the Azov militants *, they tried to evacuate from Mariupol. Found patches from Tanzania, South Africa and Morocco.

The very fact that they tried to carry out the evacuation taking into account information about the operation of the air defense systems of the RF Armed Forces and the NM of the DPR near Mariupol, to say that despair among the militants and those who helped them in this city has reached its climax.

Two survivors of the helicopter crash of the Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will now tell a lot about this operation and who exactly they tried to evacuate from the city. Among the survivors is a machine gunner who was supposed to fire when trying to leave the vicinity of Mariupol.



The helicopter itself was shot down near the village of Rybatskoe south of Mariupol. It is for the implementation of attempts to escape from the city by any possible means that the militants are trying to reach the outskirts of Mariupol.
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  1. Myths
    Myths 31 March 2022 20: 32
    +54
    Too bad only one was shot down. In the downed 2 survived. Landing between 4-5am and 20-30 minutes unloading and loading. They took off immediately. According to the testimony of those taken prisoner, there were 5 turntables, 4 on loading, 5th cover. They flew at extremely low altitudes. They shot down Donetsk from MANPADS, 2 missiles hit one. What about the rest of the helicopters is not yet known. If there was one attempt, did not wait for the second?! It is necessary to close such places, especially since they are so worried from abroad.
    1. Borik
      Borik 31 March 2022 20: 35
      +57
      It is a pity that there were no shtatovtsy and Angles, the Africans are nobody, no one will remember them for them. But American and British carcasses in a crashed helicopter would have looked better.
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        1. Mikhail Sidorov
          Mikhail Sidorov 31 March 2022 21: 14
          +63
          The French, as I understand it, were in the second downed helicopter, which went to the bottom. Now the resignation of the head of French military intelligence is clear
          1. Himalayan
            Himalayan 31 March 2022 22: 52
            -52
            Zrada? - chi Pyramoga?
            Of the five litaks - they shot down the vodan!
            How were they released from Grozny for loot? Then Shamanov said that they sold the passage through the minefield. What was the victory? that the bandits were allowed to leave for money, Basayev's foot was torn off?
            1. Yuri Zolotarev_2
              Yuri Zolotarev_2 April 1 2022 04: 10
              +8
              The second went to crabs and gobies!
          2. Jager
            Jager April 1 2022 00: 41
            +11
            Flying over the sea on a transport turntable in an area blocked by several air defense systems on alert is a very exotic way of committing suicide.
            1. C-X
              C-X April 2 2022 12: 46
              -3
              If it was covered...!!!
              Then why only 2 out of 5 were shot down. Maybe that's why they took a chance because they knew where the radars would not detect.
              Yes, and they were shot down from manual MANPADS, they were in direct line of sight. Why did 3 helicopters leave - perhaps those who could shoot down did not believe in such impudence (they asked for command), so they shot down the 2nd and some other in the order of departure.
              Perhaps they did not believe such audacity.
              It looks like this is a distinguishing feature, ignore the obvious:
              1. Shelling of a helicopter base near Kherson from Nikolaev arrival
              2. The shelling of Berdyansk and the loss of the BDK
              3. The shelling of the oil depot in Belgorod - although it is stated that it is civilian (weak excuse), but that it cannot be used for military purposes. If there are not enough TOROVs, put on duty at such objects a grenade launcher squad on the roofs of tanks with night vision devices - the sound of a helicopter will be heard at night for a long time.
              P.S. After the explosion on the way back, why weren't the helicopters found?
        2. DeGreen
          DeGreen 31 March 2022 22: 30
          +30
          The whole evening the frogs are squealing about dead frogs. The phrase ,,, they were not in French uniform, so they could not count on the status of prisoners of war
          ..
      2. Egoza
        Egoza 31 March 2022 20: 42
        +50
        Quote: Borik
        It is a pity that there were no shtatovtsy and Angles, the Africans are nobody, no one will remember them for them.

        Military instructors from Tanzania? Morocco?s Oh, I doubt it. Maybe they just had such a uniform to hide the French and the Americans? Moreover, skin color does not play a role, in the USA and France there are enough dark ones.
        1. XNUMX%
          XNUMX% 31 March 2022 20: 47
          +23
          In the piles of shit that are left of them, there will certainly be intact DNA, the rest is a matter of time, I don’t think it’s very long.
        2. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 31 March 2022 20: 49
          +8
          Quote: Egoza
          Quote: Borik
          It is a pity that there were no shtatovtsy and Angles, the Africans are nobody, no one will remember them for them.

          Military instructors from Tanzania? Morocco?

          Me too. What can they teach su-shnikov? Some kind of lie. Or is it something completely different?
          1. Alex777
            Alex777 31 March 2022 21: 16
            +16
            There is a version that the crew of this helicopter participated
            in peacekeeping operations. From there supposedly stripes.
            1. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 31 March 2022 21: 50
              +6
              Quote: Alex777
              There is a version that the crew of this helicopter participated
              in peacekeeping operations. From there supposedly stripes.

              Maybe I don’t know something, but somehow it’s very secret? And why was Macron twitching?
              1. Alex777
                Alex777 April 1 2022 07: 03
                +9
                Quote: Reptiloid
                Maybe I don’t know something, but somehow it’s very secret?

                Didn't quite understand what was the secret? If speech
                about the peacekeeping operations of the crew, then he
                participated there long before the war. And by the way, then
                at what height this helicopter flew, speaks of
                very highly qualified crew.
                And the crew allegedly kept the stripes in the helicopter.
                I'm not 100% sure it was. me this
                version caught in the discussions.
                I think it's more believable than
                that there were instructors from these countries in Ukraine. hi

                Quote: Reptiloid
                And why was Macron twitching?

                There, not only Macron was twitching about the evacuation.
                Erdogan also showed interest. By the way, removing
                in France, the head of intelligence may be
                not as easy as it seemed at first glance.
                As a result, the stripes found in the helicopter can
                have nothing to do with who so strongly these
                "partners" wanted to pull out of Mariupol. hi
            2. Bratkov Oleg
              Bratkov Oleg April 1 2022 00: 00
              +1
              During a peacekeeping mission, Russia would certainly have been notified.
              Russia did not know - a bandit mission.
              1. Alex777
                Alex777 April 1 2022 07: 06
                +3
                Quote: Bratkov Oleg
                During a peacekeeping mission, Russia would certainly have been notified.

                Slightly higher unsubscribed in detail. hi
          2. KIND LAVRENTIUS
            KIND LAVRENTIUS April 1 2022 00: 39
            +1
            Quote: Reptiloid
            Or is it something completely different?

            french foreign legion...
        3. sat2004
          sat2004 31 March 2022 21: 00
          0
          Britain and Turkey are forgotten
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        5. svd-xnumx
          svd-xnumx 31 March 2022 21: 16
          +9
          There, this helicopter simply participated in UN peacekeeping missions, the stripes as souvenirs were in the helicopter.
        6. nobody75
          nobody75 31 March 2022 21: 22
          +10
          You are absolutely right. Helicopters brought another batch of "dope", and they were supposed to pick up tsrushny hucksters ...
          Sincerely
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        8. Normann
          Normann 31 March 2022 21: 38
          +1
          Maybe I don’t understand something, but why in such cases are insignia.
          1. Viktor Vladimirovich
            Viktor Vladimirovich 31 March 2022 21: 44
            0
            Ffse is idiotically simple and explained in one word: "fluff"
        9. CYM
          CYM 31 March 2022 21: 48
          +27
          Military instructors from Tanzania? Morocco?s Oh, I doubt it
          You are right to doubt. IMHO These helicopters with crews were previously used in UN missions, where the pilots collected local stripes as souvenirs. But this suicidal evacuation was clearly started for the sake of foreign instructors from the active military. Whether they will be officially listed as dead is the subject of a separate conversation and possibly bargaining with "partners".
          1. RoTTor
            RoTTor 31 March 2022 23: 19
            +1
            Very cunning Ukrainians zanykali "
            27 best Mi-8 helicopters "leased" from the Armed Forces of Ukraine and NGU.
            Zrada or peremoga?
            https://www.facebook.com/Transpress_viczel-178637738821455
          2. Bratkov Oleg
            Bratkov Oleg April 1 2022 00: 02
            +3
            When in 2014, it seems, Il-76, with European snipers, was shot down near Donetsk, not a word was said about them either, only mourning was declared in Europe.
          3. power day
            power day April 1 2022 17: 42
            0
            An adult, and you are talking nonsense like a stoned youngster ..
        10. Revolver
          Revolver 31 March 2022 21: 56
          +1
          Quote: Egoza
          Military instructors from Tanzania?

          African Americans lol
          Diversity rules!!! lol
        11. Cat Kuzya
          Cat Kuzya April 1 2022 02: 24
          +3
          Another thing is interesting - we are told every day that all the aviation of the ukrovermacht is practically destroyed, but helicopters fly. Where do they come from?
          1. Mechanic-44
            Mechanic-44 April 1 2022 21: 22
            +1
            Read carefully. Helicopters are always mentioned separately there.
      3. Alien From
        Alien From 31 March 2022 20: 52
        +9
        Changed into a different uniform, most likely European blacks. It’s a pity there is no living foreigner left to talk ......
      4. Myths
        Myths 31 March 2022 21: 34
        +5
        The Ministry of Defense officially confirmed only an attempt by 2 turntables to evacuate. One was shot down, the second was shot down and collapsed 20 km from the coast. English is really lacking. Those who remained, if they remained, have already managed to get into captivity, they will not be allowed to get captured by the National Bats themselves.
      5. And Us Rat
        And Us Rat 31 March 2022 22: 11
        +16
        Quote: Borik
        It is a pity that there were no shtatovtsev and Angles

        In general, I think that they lied about the foreign form. This is what kind of doldons you need to be in order to run around a foreign country, in the midst of hostilities, being hired instructor / adviser, in the military uniform of his country, like a disguised clown.
        In Africa, of course, the Papuans, but not so much. And when, in general, Tanzania or Morocco became "great warriors" capable of teaching anyone, it is usually white instructors who go to them.
        1. d1975
          d1975 April 1 2022 00: 10
          0
          Open this site in telegram. Everything is there and more. There is enough scum from all over the world. And flags and not only.
        2. Siberian54
          Siberian54 April 1 2022 10: 47
          0
          Do you also deny the presence of backpacks with personal belongings?
      6. Petrik66
        Petrik66 April 1 2022 09: 13
        0
        those characters fled long before the start of hostilities, and left low-value ones in their place.
      7. Himalayan
        Himalayan April 1 2022 12: 45
        0
        Probably these chevrons of the French legionnaires
      8. Old tanker
        Old tanker April 1 2022 15: 22
        +3
        These patches are souvenirs of pilots who participated (like the helicopter itself) in UN peacekeeping missions in Africa. They were fixed on the Ukrainian flag.
        The author either pursues "fried" facts or deliberately misleads.
      9. isv000
        isv000 April 2 2022 14: 50
        0
        Quote: Borik
        It is a pity that there were no shtatovtsy and Angles, the Africans are nobody, no one will remember them for them. But American and British carcasses in a crashed helicopter would have looked better.

        In the head of any Russian patriot, a sketch of the medal "For the Capture of Washington" is ready!
    2. figwam
      figwam 31 March 2022 20: 35
      +16
      They say they shot down two, but there were five in total.
      1. dmi.pris
        dmi.pris 31 March 2022 20: 41
        0
        The second one was "splashed down" twenty kilometers away. And what kind of instructors are these? Tanzania, Morocco .. It's just some kind of shame.
        1. Sergei Fonov
          Sergei Fonov April 1 2022 19: 04
          0
          The horizon line for a person with a height of 1,75 - 4,7 km, from an eight-story building 25 m-17,9 km, the helicopter fell into the sea beyond the horizon, so in theory it can not crash into the sea, it would be good to get more convincing confirmation that leaves no doubt between reality and the intended result.
      2. stels_07
        stels_07 31 March 2022 20: 45
        +7
        Then how did 3 leave? Stealth helicopters, probably. DPR calculations with MANPADS, how do they determine friend or foe, because there are an order of magnitude more air force aviation there ?!
        1. Alex777
          Alex777 31 March 2022 21: 19
          +17
          Quote: stels_07
          Then how did 3 leave?

          This question makes sense if the wounded told the truth.
          Their infa does not even fight among themselves. If 2 flew away, then
          the Nazis must tell everyone about this victory urgently.
          1. poquello
            poquello 31 March 2022 21: 41
            +4
            Quote: Alex777
            Quote: stels_07
            Then how did 3 leave?

            This question makes sense if the wounded told the truth.
            Their infa does not even fight among themselves. If 2 flew away, then
            the Nazis must tell everyone about this victory urgently.

            even here the "group of comrades" of writers directly interrogated herself, or even saw it right as they flew and flew away, according to the kin there about the number 5, it seems only the fat-faced one says, and even then - I didn’t see two that should fly after them, I’m wondering what for the boxes they brought the Nazis
            1. nikon7717
              nikon7717 31 March 2022 22: 25
              +3
              It looks like with information about what they brought and where, for whom, to the landing point, i.e. and our military watched to cover those whom the Armed Forces of Ukraine wanted to evacuate.
            2. Yuri Zolotarev_2
              Yuri Zolotarev_2 April 1 2022 04: 22
              -1
              The rest were vertual, three, four, but five stars are better!
            3. Alex777
              Alex777 April 1 2022 07: 46
              +1
              Quote: poquello
              even here the "group of comrades" of writers directly interrogated herself, or even saw just how they flew and flew away

              The last thing I saw on the topic today:
              The most discussed event today was the APU helicopters shot down near Mariupol.

              After the crash, two Ukrainian soldiers survived, were captured and interrogated. One turned out to be a member of the Azov regiment (banned in the Russian Federation), and the second was an experienced fighter of the GUR (military intelligence). According to their testimony, at about 5 am, 5 helicopters landed in the port of Mariupol: 4 transport Mi-8s and one attack helicopter covering Mi-24, which delivered ammunition to the blocked Ukrainian units.

              The cars took the wounded, took off and headed back to Dnepropetrovsk. Helicopters flew to Mariupol at an ultra-low altitude, in the blind zone of our air defense systems. However, when returning, they ran into the crew of the DPR army with MANPADS. Fighters from the captured Stingers shot down two Mi-8s. One immediately fell to the ground from a height of 7 meters. The second Mi-8 was damaged by a missile and began to move towards the sea, but crashed 20 kilometers from the coast. Nothing more is known about him. The remaining three helicopters managed to escape.

              There were 16 people on the first board, 2 of them survived. The Russian Defense Ministry said that in addition to the wounded, the helicopters also evacuated the leadership.

              From this message, we can conclude that the fighters
              the available Stingers were only enough for 2 helicopters ...
              But no one says it directly.
              1. poquello
                poquello April 1 2022 18: 31
                +1
                Quote: Alex777
                From this message, we can conclude that the fighters
                the available Stingers were only enough for 2 helicopters ...

                Basurin will not agree with you, and you can’t even see the bravura reportage, PM either didn’t take off or jumped over the ring and get further on foot
                Quote: Alex777
                But no one says it directly.

                but they turned crookedly, in the complete absence of confirmation
        2. Oleg1263
          Oleg1263 31 March 2022 21: 24
          +6
          Optionally gone , not yet clear . Could just not take off ....
          1. nikon7717
            nikon7717 31 March 2022 22: 27
            +1
            As an option. If they didn’t take off, it’s possible that the turntables were destroyed on the ground and those for whom they flew in were still taken prisoner
        3. Siberian54
          Siberian54 April 1 2022 10: 50
          +2
          They also flew to our territory and also burned the oil depot and managed to escape.
      3. Viktor Vladimirovich
        Viktor Vladimirovich 31 March 2022 21: 47
        +6
        Do not forget that the air over the Black Sea is controlled by the Russian Navy, and they are many times stricter with information leakage.
        Have you heard anything about the actions of the Navy in this operation?
        That's it, that's nothing!
        Well done, naval officers, keep a secret!
        1. Havoc
          Havoc April 1 2022 00: 23
          +4
          Quote: Viktor Vladimirovich
          Do not forget that the air over the Black Sea is controlled by the Russian Navy, and they are many times stricter with information leakage.
          Have you heard anything about the actions of the Navy in this operation?
          That's it, that's nothing!
          Well done, naval officers, keep a secret!

          You probably don’t know geography well, the actions take place over the Sea of ​​​​Azov, and I must admit, if this is true about five helicopters, then the air defense overslept, apparently the protection of the northern part of the Sea of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbAzov is disgusting, the question arises how the Crimean bridge is guarded. It is not possible to hide five helicopters even on the territory of Azovstal, which means they arrived, loaded, flew away, but not all of them. But there was an attempt to break through, didn’t they really calculate that there would be repetitions. Or maybe these flights were permanent and only a case, shot down the first one, was able to reveal these flights. If so, then all the main ones have already been taken out.
          1. Yuri Zolotarev_2
            Yuri Zolotarev_2 April 1 2022 04: 25
            -1
            Where could they fly to, to a neighboring village?
          2. Awaz
            Awaz April 1 2022 15: 55
            -4
            everything is easier. The Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine got just super stealth turntables, which no S 300-400-5000, Buki and other Russian air defense systems see. Maybe our Mi 24s are also not visible? Unfortunately, every day you have to note what our Armed Forces are doing, especially the command, what jambs and stupidities, creating Peremogi from scratch for the enemy ...
        2. Jager
          Jager April 1 2022 00: 49
          +1
          If the deputy commander of the Black Sea Fleet himself died, then they are more than active, especially coastal units.
    3. SKVichyakow
      SKVichyakow 31 March 2022 20: 36
      -1
      It is a pity that more could fly away.
      1. Viktor Vladimirovich
        Viktor Vladimirovich 31 March 2022 21: 48
        +4
        Nifiga nobody flew away!
        Or rather, flew away, but to the right place
        1. Yuri Zolotarev_2
          Yuri Zolotarev_2 April 1 2022 04: 28
          -1
          Fly to the crabs!
      2. mitroha
        mitroha 31 March 2022 22: 39
        0
        Quote: SKVichyakow
        It is a pity that more could fly away.

        Have you seen with your own eyes? Not?. So why carry unverified nonsense?
    4. Cat Alexandrovich
      Cat Alexandrovich 31 March 2022 20: 43
      +2
      The article is something completely different! Well, nothing is clear...
      1. Myths
        Myths 31 March 2022 20: 45
        +1
        Faces were found in the wreckage. There is little left on the bodies.
    5. Garris199
      Garris199 31 March 2022 20: 48
      -1
      Places like this need to be closed.

      Apparently there is nothing to cover. There are still many places to close.
      It is reported about 2 downed turntables, one of which fell into the sea.
      1. Myths
        Myths 31 March 2022 20: 55
        +4
        The calculation with the MANPADS worked. Apparently the calculation was for the early morning and they did not fly in from a neighboring village. They most likely fell asleep there. Caught on return. Everything serious most likely covers the upper dome. Difficult to catch at low altitudes. This is where the calculations with the MANPADS worked.
    6. barclay
      barclay 31 March 2022 20: 56
      +18
      Quote from Mitos
      What about the rest of the helicopters is not yet known. If there was one attempt, did not wait for the second?! It is necessary to close such places, especially since they are so worried from abroad.

      Yes, the rest of the helicopters left. And it is not excluded. that the leaders slipped away from them.
      I am surprised by such a cool attitude towards the air defense system near Mariupol. After all, there were attempts to fly the turntables to the city on the eve. Even then I was surprised how they flew to the sea? Why didn’t they immediately put reliable air defense there? Our territory is already there, and we keep the DPR police there, and even with captured Stingers, which no one knows how they will work! It was necessary to put "Pantsyri" there so that the fly would not slip through!
      1. Helmsman
        Helmsman 31 March 2022 21: 29
        +6
        We walked at an altitude of less than 100, at such an altitude the air defense system would not detect them far, the radio horizon ... Only AWACS.
        1. Myths
          Myths 31 March 2022 21: 55
          +2
          I'm talking about the same. Judging by the downed 2 turntables, 2 calculations with stingers worked.
      2. Jager
        Jager April 1 2022 00: 54
        +1
        If these were MANPADS crews, then they were clearly not there by chance and were already waiting for "guests". Like those "Czechs" who shot down our helicopter near the airfield.
      3. Third district
        Third district April 1 2022 05: 36
        -2
        Quote: barclay
        Yes, the rest of the helicopters left. And it is not excluded. that the leaders slipped away from them.

        Where did such data come from, did they themselves conduct a private investigation, near Mariupol? Now there are so many fakes walking around, the information war is going on.
        Quote: barclay
        It was necessary to put "Pantsyri" there so that the fly would not slip through!

        Serve in the General Staff and know exactly what air defense systems are there and which ones should be installed?
        1. barclay
          barclay April 1 2022 10: 23
          +2
          Quote: Third District
          Where did such data come from, did they themselves conduct a private investigation, near Mariupol?

          Firstly, I do not affirm, but say that this is not excluded (read the letters carefully)
          Secondly, watch non-fake videos of the interrogation of the surviving Nazis, who unanimously say that there were five helicopters.
          Thirdly, I said about the "Pantsyri" as an example, knowing that it can hit targets near the ground itself (the height of hitting a target with a cannon is from 0 to 3000 meters).
          PS: To know this, you do not need to serve in the General Staff, dear.
        2. Helmsman
          Helmsman April 2 2022 23: 42
          0
          50% success is not enough. Not so much.
    7. fruc
      fruc 31 March 2022 21: 26
      +3
      On TV they reported that 2 turntables were shot down, the second fell into the sea, 20 meters from the shore.
    8. KreAtiF
      KreAtiF 31 March 2022 21: 37
      -22
      Quote from Mitos
      Too bad only one was shot down. In the downed 2 survived. Landing between 4-5am and 20-30 minutes unloading and loading. They took off immediately. According to the testimony of those taken prisoner, there were 5 turntables, 4 on loading, 5th cover. They flew at extremely low altitudes. They shot down Donetsk from MANPADS, 2 missiles hit one. What about the rest of the helicopters is not yet known. If there was one attempt, did not wait for the second?! It is necessary to close such places, especially since they are so worried from abroad.

      2 helicopters of the NM DPR and 1 helicopter MI-24 of the RF Armed Forces were shot down. 1 turntable left, I didn’t hear anything about the 5th ...
    9. Charik
      Charik 31 March 2022 21: 51
      +3
      They say that the second downed-fell fish to feed
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    11. Vitaly Petrov_3
      Vitaly Petrov_3 31 March 2022 23: 24
      0
      2 turntables were shot down, there are different videos ..
    12. 72jora72
      72jora72 April 1 2022 01: 10
      0
      Too bad they only shot one
      Actually, yesterday one out of two, today two out of heels ...
    13. Wbond
      Wbond April 1 2022 12: 30
      0
      ...here are the details....https://t.me/swodki/57367
  2. msd
    msd 31 March 2022 20: 34
    -12
    On TV they showed this machine gunner., somehow he is not a very fighter.
    1. dmi.pris
      dmi.pris 31 March 2022 20: 45
      +16
      I mean, not a fighter? He managed to survive, sat near the door and threw it out. Of course he got injured. He was lucky, there the bodies were left with burnt asses.
  3. Vadim237
    Vadim237 31 March 2022 20: 35
    +6
    They write that Mi 24 APU was shot down near Izyum.
    1. NKT
      NKT 31 March 2022 20: 57
      +9
      Even today, two Su-24s and one Su-25 failed. Pulled out from somewhere again
      1. Normann
        Normann 31 March 2022 21: 40
        +3
        They probably send them from warehouses on their last journey.
  4. 23424636
    23424636 31 March 2022 20: 37
    +12
    Quote from Mitos
    Too bad only one was shot down.

    Basurin said that he would clarify about the second one!? . Well, of course, the gobies of the Sea of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbAzov.
    1. Commodore Arctic
      Commodore Arctic 31 March 2022 20: 43
      +7
      this year, Azov bulls promise to be especially fat!
    2. strannik1985
      strannik1985 31 March 2022 20: 45
      +13
      These are the chevrons of the crew, they participated in UN missions in these countries.
      1. Myths
        Myths 31 March 2022 21: 00
        +2
        Most likely it is. And these are ideological ones who have everything in their blood to the very top.
  5. Cat Alexandrovich
    Cat Alexandrovich 31 March 2022 20: 40
    +16
    "Among the survivors is a machine gunner who was supposed to fire when trying to leave the vicinity of Mariupol"...
    This must be written so curly that nothing is clear!
    What is a gunner? Helicopter crew member? Evacuee? Who was he supposed to fire on? Where? From a helicopter? Or, having landed, from the earth? Who leaves the neighborhood of Mariupol? The gunner himself? Nazis? Civilians?
    What the hell? You have to write like this...
    1. Pytnik
      Pytnik 31 March 2022 20: 45
      +12
      Here is the video of the interrogation
      1. tech3030
        tech3030 31 March 2022 21: 40
        +7
        What he says is only his words. I'm sure they will talk to him, who needs to learn a lot.
    2. Myths
      Myths 31 March 2022 20: 48
      +8
      survivor: flew on assignment, he was sitting at the machine gun, he had to cover. Himself from the group of landing officers.
      1. Jager
        Jager April 1 2022 01: 07
        +5
        Is an instructor who graduated from the academy being sent as an ordinary Vasya for a machine gun? A soldering iron will still be needed there, but only when it heals.
    3. Piramidon
      Piramidon 31 March 2022 21: 36
      +17
      Quote: Cat Alexandrovich
      What is a gunner?

      He cut off "stowaway" passengers so that they would not climb into the turntable. lol
    4. poquello
      poquello 31 March 2022 21: 50
      +7
      Quote: Cat Alexandrovich
      "Among the survivors is a machine gunner who was supposed to fire when trying to leave the vicinity of Mariupol"...
      This must be written so curly that nothing is clear!
      What is a gunner? Helicopter crew member? Evacuee? Who was he supposed to fire on? Where? From a helicopter? Or, having landed, from the earth? Who leaves the neighborhood of Mariupol? The gunner himself? Nazis? Civilians?
      What the hell? You have to write like this...

      was a bugler, had to trumpet "take off", ugh the horn lost his pipe
  6. falx
    falx 31 March 2022 20: 40
    +7
    now only to finish off these nits and scum, not let anyone go, either captivity at the mercy of the winner, or death!
    the rest of the herroyamms in Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk and other cities of the former Ukrainian SSR for edification. let them think...
    1. surok1
      surok1 April 1 2022 11: 48
      0
      If there is a command staff bye-bye, then what kind of resistance will remain? Growing up and then the overdose of the horses will move.
  7. Fisherman
    Fisherman 31 March 2022 20: 40
    -7
    The survivors are muddying the waters, which was already 4 MI-8 and 1 MI-24. They lie for sure, because ours will not give such holes in the air for such an armada. Puff out cheeks. Yes, and everything is clear with stripes - 100% of the paddling pools were caught ... that's why Macron-omicron got so tense and removed the head of his intelligence! The French are on fire! There will be breakdowns! Putin will present and Macrosh may blow up the elections with such a gesheft! Now everything in France depends on the reaction of the Arno family to this information, Arno is friends with us, Vodianova's daughter-in-law is there to help them!
    1. Pytnik
      Pytnik 31 March 2022 20: 48
      +3
      The second prisoner says they were walking at a height of 7m, the radars might not have noticed, it’s good that they didn’t miss 2
      1. Fisherman
        Fisherman 31 March 2022 20: 50
        0
        there is dense infantry .... several rings ... and fields - a joy for radars. From 7 meters the second car collapsed too much.
        1. Piramidon
          Piramidon 31 March 2022 21: 41
          +15
          Quote: Fisherman
          From 7 meters the second car collapsed too much.

          Consider + helicopter speed, + rocket hit + fire. Cars at a height of 0 meters into the trash are broken without the help of missiles and at a lower speed.
          1. Fisherman
            Fisherman 31 March 2022 21: 49
            -2
            only some parts burned down, moreover, completely, and not all passengers burned out - some look perfect and nearby parts are untouched by fire ... the turntable clearly fell apart in the air and some parts burned, and some fell to the ground untouched by fire at all! Look at the photo on the ground.
            1. XNUMX%
              XNUMX% April 1 2022 00: 11
              +3
              Everyone who tries to voice thoughts gets a minus, right?
              And who emotions - plus. Suspicious, isn't it? Do not answer my question, it was asked out of a sense of solidarity with reasonable people.
        2. Jager
          Jager April 1 2022 01: 10
          +2
          7 meters, is it clinging to poles and tops of poplars?
      2. Elephant
        Elephant 31 March 2022 21: 01
        +15
        They had to notice. And drones-24 hours were supposed to hang over Mariupol. The military department needs to figure out whose miscalculation was
        1. Garris199
          Garris199 31 March 2022 21: 09
          +14
          In theory, upon request from the spot, it was possible to raise the duty fighter, catch up and shoot down all these turntables. But I think so, "not only everyone can call for aviation, few people can do it."
          Interdepartmental non-interaction, it seems that's what we have been calling for many years.
        2. Fisherman
          Fisherman 31 March 2022 21: 50
          +7
          apart from the words of a couple of smart-assed Nazis who are trying to reduce their importance with "a large number of turntables", there are no facts of other turntables flying over. DO NOT cast a shadow on the wattle fence of the RF Ministry of Defense.
      3. fruc
        fruc 31 March 2022 21: 41
        0
        ....... walked at a height of 7m, radars might not have noticed

        This is not the reason. At sea, they could be detected by the radar of the fleet and ground forces. . Another thing is that the funds were turned off.
        1. Fisherman
          Fisherman 31 March 2022 21: 52
          +6
          where infa that were turned off? Did the second turntable fall into the sea? Or shot down from the PM by a random policeman?
        2. Third district
          Third district April 1 2022 05: 52
          0
          Quote: frruc
          This is not the reason. At sea, they could be detected by the radar of the fleet and ground forces. . Another thing is that the funds were turned off.

          You probably personally disabled these funds, if you say so. Which donkey will give the order to turn off if there is fighting in the area.
    2. XNUMX%
      XNUMX% 31 March 2022 20: 50
      +17
      In the direction of Ukraine, the radars of the entire European Union and American bases are now shining, in particular, in the form of reconnaissance aircraft. Ukrov now may have more intelligence / data at their disposal than the Russian Federation several times.
      1. Fisherman
        Fisherman 31 March 2022 21: 53
        +4
        yes, that’s for sure, only our Mariks were surrounded by more than one ring and it’s unlikely that even 3 extra helicopters will slip through there. They could - they would roam every day and beat ours .... but they CANNOT.
        1. XNUMX%
          XNUMX% April 1 2022 00: 07
          +1
          Also true, the environment is the environment, in half the cases, visual observation is enough. ... Let's see what will happen next. Those k.o.z.l.s that are now grazing inside the ring, if they manage to run out, then they will definitely shoot a video, and not one.
          So let's wait ... and see for ourselves.
  8. VLAD-96
    VLAD-96 31 March 2022 20: 41
    +7
    The photo should be distributed to the blind people of foreign mercenaries and more massively! So that others would not be accustomed to go!
  9. Bolt cutter
    Bolt cutter 31 March 2022 20: 42
    +12
    stripes of Tanzania, South Africa and Morocco.
    Something I can’t believe that they put on their stripes on such missions. And what could a Tanzanian teach the ukers?
    1. Poetry
      Poetry 31 March 2022 20: 49
      +5
      Most likely, bends are molded. Oh sorry. Sculpted. They burn in hell.
    2. sergo1914
      sergo1914 31 March 2022 21: 27
      +6
      Quote: Bolt Cutter
      stripes of Tanzania, South Africa and Morocco.
      Something I can’t believe that they put on their stripes on such missions. And what could a Tanzanian teach the ukers?


      Well, for example, cannibalism.
    3. Normann
      Normann 31 March 2022 21: 48
      +1
      How to dig a well.
  10. Thrifty
    Thrifty 31 March 2022 20: 42
    +8
    That is, not only the killers got hot, but the instructors also shook for their rotten skins!
    1. surok1
      surok1 April 1 2022 11: 56
      0
      In Mariupol there was a secret prison and a torture chamber. What if they are torture instructors? If there were Frenchmen there, if there were Germans, then with what face would they ask for gas and fertilizers?
  11. The collective farm is voluntary.
    The collective farm is voluntary. 31 March 2022 20: 43
    +14
    In general, this is partly our fiasco. If out of five boards three flew away for sure. From a seriously blocked city, with the total domination of aviation, and such figures ...
    1. House 25 Sq. 380
      House 25 Sq. 380 31 March 2022 20: 51
      +10
      Everything rests on "if"?
      1. The collective farm is voluntary.
        The collective farm is voluntary. 31 March 2022 21: 42
        +4
        That's right, Note that initially they presented information about two suicide helicopters, and then the survivor blurted out that there were FIVE of them !!! and it’s not the first time they’re flying ...
        1. House 25 Sq. 380
          House 25 Sq. 380 31 March 2022 22: 45
          0
          Maybe he's lying?
          1. The collective farm is voluntary.
            The collective farm is voluntary. April 1 2022 06: 23
            -1
            Hardly ... not in his condition and position.
            1. House 25 Sq. 380
              House 25 Sq. 380 April 1 2022 09: 24
              +1
              And what is his "state and position"?
              All the prisoners in Mariupol claim that “yesterday” they were forcibly taken into the army, they were given shovels, so they dug, but they love Russians and didn’t even shoot at them, because they love them, and have nothing, and in general ...
              And what do you need to know about "state and position"?
              1. The collective farm is voluntary.
                The collective farm is voluntary. April 1 2022 09: 45
                -1
                Condition: both burnt with multiple fractures and "a bruise of the whole grandmother", under serious anesthesia.
                1. House 25 Sq. 380
                  House 25 Sq. 380 April 1 2022 09: 52
                  0
                  Excellent: and they remember everything: where, who, when, why; know and, most importantly, understand - why ...
                  This is where I really smiled...
        2. mitroha
          mitroha 31 March 2022 22: 57
          +6
          Quote: The collective farm is a voluntary business.
          In general, this is partly our fiasco. If out of five boards three flew away for sure. From a seriously blocked city, with the total domination of aviation, and such figures ...

          That's right, Note that initially they presented information about two suicide helicopters, and then the survivor blurted out that there were FIVE of them !!! and it’s not the first time they’re flying ...

          Not a single proof, except for the words of a couple of confused survivors, but you already understand everything, and you have drawn conclusions and elevated it to the rank of truth .....
          Well, well ... And why?
          1. The collective farm is voluntary.
            The collective farm is voluntary. April 1 2022 06: 25
            -1
            Well, of course, are you waiting for an official response from the General Staff with an apology that you missed three turntables ??? And only then will you believe?
            1. mitroha
              mitroha April 1 2022 21: 26
              0
              Are you happy with the testimony of enemies?
              So maybe .... belay
        3. 72jora72
          72jora72 April 1 2022 01: 16
          +2
          and then the survivor blurted out that there are FIVE of them !!!
          And if tomorrow he says that there were TWENTY-FIVE??
          1. The collective farm is voluntary.
            The collective farm is voluntary. April 1 2022 06: 27
            +1
            Nobody pulled him by the tongue, he told it himself, and the journalists, on the wave of hype, released uncensored information on the Internet and away we go ...
        4. Third district
          Third district April 1 2022 05: 58
          +1
          Quote: The collective farm is a voluntary business.
          That's right, Note that initially they presented information about two suicide helicopters, and then the survivor blurted out that there were FIVE of them !!!

          And tomorrow this survivor will blurt out about 50 helicopters and a submarine. Also believe and say about the "fiasco".
    2. Garris199
      Garris199 31 March 2022 20: 58
      +4
      Until you call the aviation, half a day will pass. We are not very efficient. You watch UAV reconnaissance footage and footage of strikes against reconnoitered targets. There is a difference of several hours. Reconnaissance during the day, and the strike is already in the dark.
      1. Awaz
        Awaz 31 March 2022 21: 32
        +3
        I agree it's a mess. This is not the first day there are attempts to fly up. Or maybe it’s really not the first day that they were evacuated, but ours all blew ... Already after the first bells, it was necessary to close the topic tightly.
      2. Third district
        Third district April 1 2022 06: 01
        0
        Quote: Garris199
        Until you call the aviation, half a day will pass.

        Do you fight there yourself and did you have to call aircraft or according to the Internet?
    3. Vitaly Petrov_3
      Vitaly Petrov_3 31 March 2022 23: 36
      +1
      Aviation should hang 24 hours in a free hunt and on a tip!
      1. House 25 Sq. 380
        House 25 Sq. 380 April 1 2022 09: 26
        +2
        Without refueling and maintenance, as in the game))
  12. XNUMX%
    XNUMX% 31 March 2022 20: 44
    +1
    It goes well ! laughing
  13. Elephant
    Elephant 31 March 2022 20: 54
    +6
    Two turntables were shot down and two left. What did Russian air defense systems do?
  14. Tagan
    Tagan 31 March 2022 20: 56
    +3
    Quote from Mitos
    Too bad only one was shot down. In the downed 2 survived. Landing between 4-5am and 20-30 minutes unloading and loading. They took off immediately. According to the testimony of those taken prisoner, there were 5 turntables, 4 on loading, 5th cover. They flew at extremely low altitudes. They shot down Donetsk from MANPADS, 2 missiles hit one. What about the rest of the helicopters is not yet known. If there was one attempt, did not wait for the second?! It is necessary to close such places, especially since they are so worried from abroad.

    The second was shot down 20 km from the coast.
    1. The collective farm is voluntary.
      The collective farm is voluntary. 31 March 2022 21: 39
      -3
      That is, not from MANPADS, either by aviation, or by a serious air defense system.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 31 March 2022 23: 07
        +5
        They write that it is also MANPADS, the damaged one went towards the sea, and fell there. But as a matter of fact, the jester knows him.
  15. Prjanik
    Prjanik 31 March 2022 21: 06
    +12
    Western mercenaries died from Western weapons, what an irony
    1. Vitaly Petrov_3
      Vitaly Petrov_3 31 March 2022 23: 37
      0
      9 Negroeaty flew to swim in the sea!
  16. Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 31 March 2022 21: 10
    +14
    It is unlikely that the Ukrainians took such a risk only because of the wounded, as many as five turntables were sent.
    Apparently there is something more serious.
  17. Poetry
    Poetry 31 March 2022 21: 12
    +5
    Ukrainian Airlines wishes you a pleasant flight.
    MANPADS Stinger. Coming soon to Europe.
    1. Vitaly Petrov_3
      Vitaly Petrov_3 31 March 2022 23: 39
      +1
      to land their letaks from their stingers, they will know how to make it more expensive for themselves!
  18. Evgeny Ivanov_5
    Evgeny Ivanov_5 31 March 2022 21: 21
    +3
    That is, three were successfully made with a pen.
    1. Normann
      Normann 31 March 2022 21: 50
      +2
      The truth is always somewhere in between.
    2. Skif
      Skif 31 March 2022 22: 09
      +6
      From the words of the mundane... And they, again, according to them, are as simple as pencils.
      1. Pete mitchell
        Pete mitchell 31 March 2022 23: 23
        +3
        Quote: Skif
        From the words of the mundane ... And they, again, according to them, are simple ...
        It's like after the Second World War: - the Essov orchestra turned out to be the largest military orchestra in the world ....
  19. Cheerock
    Cheerock 31 March 2022 21: 27
    +5
    When inspecting the crash site of the downed helicopter, the People's Militia of the DPR found the bodies of foreign soldiers. This was witnessed by journalists working on the spot. As reported, we are talking about military instructors, whom, together with the Azov militants *, they tried to evacuate from Mariupol. Found patches from Tanzania, South Africa and Morocco.

    The patches were attached to the Ukrainian flag, which indicates that the helicopter took part in missions in these countries and nothing more.
    So far, no foreign instructors have been identified among the embroidered and dead, as well as the leadership of Azov.
    1. surok1
      surok1 April 1 2022 12: 03
      +1
      Ukrainian migrant pilots flew all over Africa, in the most risky cases. On the deadliest cars. Because there was nothing to do at home.
  20. Awaz
    Awaz 31 March 2022 21: 30
    +2
    judging by what is happening there, they have not been flying for the first day and they simply do not shoot down everyone ... Oh damn, how is it .....
  21. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 31 March 2022 21: 31
    +1
    Interrogation of two
    https://vk.com/video-188539440_456251395?list=cbfb45fc650dab7831
    https://vk.com/video-151878956_456255814?list=0d690fce6ff6997d1b
    1. vadimtt
      vadimtt April 1 2022 06: 49
      +1
      This is more of an interrogation, the interrogation will be later. There it will be clear who played what instruments (whistles) and who he was.
  22. anjey
    anjey 31 March 2022 21: 33
    +3
    This is a captured weapon of the troops of the People's Militia of the DPR, which quickly introduced it into their arsenal and now with NATO weapons inflict damage on manpower.
    From the native "Stinger" and it is easier for interventionists of all stripes to die: Uncle Sam put a lot on Krajina, enough for all foreigners ...
    1. Vitaly Petrov_3
      Vitaly Petrov_3 31 March 2022 23: 42
      0
      Let them now be afraid to get into the barrel!
  23. mortido
    mortido 31 March 2022 21: 36
    +9
    Quote: The collective farm is a voluntary business.
    In general, this is partly our fiasco. If out of five boards three flew away for sure. From a seriously blocked city, with the total domination of aviation, and such figures ...

    ... Exactly, and besides, he says that they took off from the Dnieper, that is, there are 5 helicopters there, even in the hangar (which means it is a large hangar), but these are not needles. Why, with the declared complete air superiority, our aviation has not yet worked on these objects in the Dnieper ...
    Or they are afraid to touch the Dnieper as the patrimony of Kolomoisky once again ...
    1. House 25 Sq. 380
      House 25 Sq. 380 31 March 2022 22: 47
      0
      Yes, yes, "damned alegarchs", Akhmetov, Azovstal ....
  24. Pavel57
    Pavel57 31 March 2022 22: 03
    +2
    NATO could be there.
  25. The comment was deleted.
    1. Third district
      Third district April 1 2022 06: 12
      -1
      Quote: valera75
      Three turntables pissed on a penny that should be monitored 7/24

      Where does such data come from? The surviving "machine gunner" blurted out something and everyone directly believed it. In vain, according to the classics, he did not introduce himself as a cook or driver. So far, nothing is known, but the comments are all wang.
  26. huntsman650
    huntsman650 31 March 2022 22: 26
    +12
    Competently laid route by lowlands, low altitude, they do not see the radar. We arrived at the crown of the head, the time was also chosen correctly. However, they are not stupid. Perhaps even along the riverbeds passed. I don’t believe that they missed it on purpose, rather they overlooked it, to put it mildly. Yes, and there is no need to fantasize about those for whom they flew in, the survivors will tell everything. We have enough mess, everything is smooth on TV (((
    1. Simple
      Simple 31 March 2022 23: 32
      -1
      there is fog in the mornings especially in Marika.
      And fog and visibility reduces, and most importantly in this case, the sound drowns out
      1. huntsman650
        huntsman650 31 March 2022 23: 39
        +2
        Ukrainian TGK - Resident

        "The operation to rescue the command and the wounded from Mariupol was carried out several times, several helicopters were shot down, but more than 4 flights were carried out. To the sound of artillery, our turntables entered the Azovstal plant from the sea, and then returned back along the corridor to Zaporozhye."
        Naryl in the cart, the militia's summary channel.
      2. alystan
        alystan 31 March 2022 23: 47
        0
        It's still dark at XNUMX:XNUMX in the morning.
  27. dementor873
    dementor873 31 March 2022 22: 34
    +3
    It is unlikely that they had a legend in advance when they were captured. Quickly figure out the discrepancy between the answers.
  28. ss29
    ss29 31 March 2022 22: 38
    +3
    Guys, don’t come up with nonsense, the Ukrainians had 2 weeks before the blockade to get everyone out. What you are reading now is speed info or something like that.
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  29. kirosi
    kirosi 31 March 2022 23: 09
    0
    south of Mariupol? there is a sea
  30. Sedoy
    Sedoy 31 March 2022 23: 31
    0
    shot down 2 turntables
    survivor testified that there were 4
    does that mean 2 are gone?

    when taking into account information about the operation of the air defense systems of the RF Armed Forces and the NM of the DPR near Mariupol

    and in general, how with such air defense, dry turntables fly like at home?
  31. Radikal
    Radikal 31 March 2022 23: 34
    +2
    I read the article. This is the level now. Then why are they sending me warnings? For such an article, a warning should be sent to those who send ... warnings sad
  32. Two
    Two 31 March 2022 23: 36
    +1
    Nonsense, think about it, you are a foreign military special instructor, sent to war with Russia, you are in a surrounded city and wear the uniform of your state, this is tantamount to writing here, these people should not stand out from the local population, I'm talking about the chevrons found. And the bad thing is that 3 turntables left, it seems we again worked for an estimate of 2, because in the remaining turntables there were not blacks, but serious people who were information carriers, which is why it is not the first time they have made attempts to evacuate.
    1. ss29
      ss29 April 1 2022 13: 07
      0
      My opinion. Ukrov had at least 2 weeks to prepare defense and export. Why sit there for a military instructor? And remember the humanitarian pause, what prevented you from leaving ...
    2. Charik
      Charik April 1 2022 18: 15
      0
      these chevrons of dill pilots flying in Africa
  33. Scientist_
    Scientist_ 31 March 2022 23: 37
    -2
    It is highly suspicious that both helicopters were shot down by the air defense of the DPR. And where was the air defense of the Russian Federation? After all, it is obvious that the air defense of the Russian Federation is incomparably stronger than the air defense of the DPR, which is generally from improvised means. As the father of Alexander Filipych said, in any fortress there is a gate where a donkey loaded with gold will be let through.
    1. huntsman650
      huntsman650 31 March 2022 23: 43
      +1
      At this height, only mza or MANPADS! The radar will not see the target!
  34. alystan
    alystan 31 March 2022 23: 45
    +2
    Among the survivors is a machine gunner who was supposed to fire when trying to leave the vicinity of Mariupol.

    This "machine gunner", in his words, was responsible for this helicopter, supervised the unloading of the delivered cargo, the loading of those who were to be evacuated, and at the same time he was tasked with firing back in the event of a likely attack.
  35. Mitia68
    Mitia68 31 March 2022 23: 58
    0
    Tanzania, South Africa and Morocco patches found


    Well well! Who are the main enemies of Russia?

    - Tanzania is a former very great friend of the USSR. There was even a complete nationalization of banks and industry, and even collective farms were created!
    - South Africa is our best friend in BRICS!
    - Only Morocco does not seem to be our friend?
    1. surok1
      surok1 April 1 2022 12: 13
      +2
      The pilots could have been migrant workers in Africa. That is, such fires have passed, which is probably aces.
      1. Mitia68
        Mitia68 April 1 2022 14: 31
        0
        The article claims that these are foreign military:
        bodies of foreign soldiers were found.
        1. surok1
          surok1 April 1 2022 14: 47
          0
          The article is not a report to the authorities.
  36. Andre
    Andre April 1 2022 00: 06
    +5
    There is still a nuance. The Azovites in Mariupol gutted all the banks and jewelry. And now they are sitting in Azovstal with money. They promise a lot of dough if they are pulled out of there. For this loot, Kiev Ukrainians have already killed a bunch of helicopters and the military. Will continue. Greed is everything.
  37. Scientist_
    Scientist_ April 1 2022 00: 09
    -2
    Quote: huntsman650
    At this height, only mza or MANPADS! The radar will not see the target!

    Can be detected by drones and satellites. And destroy the fighters (which can patrol the territory at the same time). There have been attempts to get there by helicopters before, so the Russian air defense had to purposefully look for such targets. But I didn't find it.
  38. Scientist_
    Scientist_ April 1 2022 00: 17
    +1
    Quote: Libor Petricek
    Dear friends, just like you, I am interested in military and geopolitical issues.

    Of course, it will be difficult, but let's try to refrain from politics.

    It looks like at the end of your letter you forgot where you started it. request
  39. Radikal
    Radikal April 1 2022 01: 12
    0
    Quote: Himalayan
    Zrada? - chi Pyramoga?
    Of the five litaks - they shot down the vodan!
    How were they released from Grozny for loot? Then Shamanov said that they sold the passage through the minefield. What was the victory? that the bandits were allowed to leave for money, Basayev's foot was torn off?

    Well, not really, but there was something... bully
  40. kig
    kig April 1 2022 03: 20
    +2
    Found patches from Tanzania, South Africa and Morocco.

    Can this be evidence? I have two work overalls bought in Bremen at a flea market. German tankers wore them and a red-black-yellow stripe remained on the sleeve. Judging by the author, when I work for them, am I German?
    1. House 25 Sq. 380
      House 25 Sq. 380 April 1 2022 09: 29
      -1
      Do you also work in the military?
      1. kig
        kig April 2 2022 03: 53
        0
        No, I work as a sailor. But these two are servicemen, and they have even more interesting stripes on their sleeves

        1. House 25 Sq. 380
          House 25 Sq. 380 April 3 2022 04: 47
          0
          And when you work as a sailor, instead of your military uniform, you wear work overalls bought in Bremen at a flea market?
          1. kig
            kig April 3 2022 06: 10
            -1
            I work as a non-military sailor. And in order to establish nationality, one must have something more significant than a patch on a sleeve.
            1. House 25 Sq. 380
              House 25 Sq. 380 April 3 2022 21: 59
              0
              It seemed to me that the "heroes" of this article worked as military personnel, didn't they?
              And why then - if you are a non-military sailor - your story about work overalls from the Bremen flea market?
              1. kig
                kig April 4 2022 01: 42
                0
                And really, why would it? And what do you think?
                1. House 25 Sq. 380
                  House 25 Sq. 380 April 4 2022 01: 47
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                  I have no idea: they came up with a text about the profitable purchase of second-hand clothes ....
                  1. kig
                    kig April 4 2022 03: 59
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                    Interested? Don't be shy, it's a matter of life
                    1. House 25 Sq. 380
                      House 25 Sq. 380 April 4 2022 09: 21
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                      You started better...
                      1. kig
                        kig April 4 2022 09: 44
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                        Yes, and you too. Are we finishing?
                      2. House 25 Sq. 380
                        House 25 Sq. 380 April 4 2022 10: 39
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                        No: it is very interesting to hear your arguments - I am waiting for the fourth day ...
                        This is how I started and continue...
                      3. kig
                        kig April 4 2022 11: 50
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                        Arguments about what? I already forgot the subject of discussion. Isn't that a combo? And sorry, it's a patch. So I already said what I wanted. Now I'm waiting for your arguments
                      4. House 25 Sq. 380
                        House 25 Sq. 380 April 4 2022 12: 12
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                        Yes, you reported 4 days ago that you find it difficult to accept information because you bought two used German overalls at a flea market in Bremen ....
                        Arguments are somehow not visible here, therefore it is useless to wait for Alaverdi ...
                      5. kig
                        kig April 4 2022 15: 46
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                        re-read again. I'm not afraid to read you.
                      6. House 25 Sq. 380
                        House 25 Sq. 380 April 4 2022 16: 00
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                        I re-read .... Do you work as a military man?
                      7. kig
                        kig April 5 2022 02: 48
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                        Are we starting in the middle? Okay, I understand - you are interested in overalls. Okay. To begin with, I will repent - I forgot a little, it happened not in Bremen, but in Bremerhaven. This is a city and port at the mouth of the Weser River, and to Bremen to stomp along the river for about 60 km. Our ship was at the dock of the shipyard, and on Saturday or Sunday I went to wander around the neighborhood, and reached some square where a spontaneous fair is formed on weekends. There are tables and counters, music is playing, people are walking around looking, bargaining, on the stage there are girls in national dresses - in general, it's fun. There, agricultural products are sold, and handicrafts, and all sorts of uselessness. And I came across some grandfather who was selling two overalls, and he had something else, I don’t remember. In German, I only know Hände hoch and nicht schiessen, and my grandfather doesn't speak English. But from what he said, I caught mein sohn, panzer, arbeit overall. Well, I bought, in general. I don’t even know why, the ship had its own working clothes, with the company logo. But it cost 5 euros for a pair, so ... The color of the overalls is somehow indefinite, like greenish but not quite. It's called "olive". No camouflage. The material is dense, smooth, the naked body does not scratch. Washes well, 100% cotton. The collar is normal, but the zipper goes from the very bottom to the very top, and if you zip it all the way up, the collar looks like a sweater. Two chest pockets with zippers, Velcro strips above them, where you can stick all sorts of stripes. There is nothing on the shoulders, you can’t fasten shoulder straps. There are small pockets in the sleeves, a small zipper at the bottom of the sleeve, cuffs with buttons. On the legs there are long side double pockets for screwdrivers or something similar. Velcro strips at the bottom of the legs, you can safely shove them into boots. Pads on knees and elbows. Reflective stripes on the legs. Look like that's it. In general, a convenient thing. I don’t take them on steamships - I belong to the engine crew, and under these conditions they turn out to be too dense, the temperature there is under 40. And in the garage and in the country, that's it. Yes, the German flag is sewn to death in both sleeves, closer to the shoulder. You won't hold back. That's how it is somehow.

                        Well, the arguments are still the same - you can’t determine nationality by stripes, especially since we are talking about found bodies that no longer speak. If you know how to distinguish a foreign body from a non-foreign one, then of course.
  41. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 April 1 2022 03: 32
    +1
    "Instructor-teachers" ran, so the end is obvious. Close all loopholes like evil spirits. Maybe the leaders will grow wiser, begin to understand what they got into.
  42. Vladimir Golubenko
    Vladimir Golubenko April 1 2022 05: 44
    +1
    There are still some high-ranking francs. Capture and poke Macron's nose into their shit.
  43. abrakadabre
    abrakadabre April 1 2022 07: 12
    +1
    The helicopter itself was shot down near the village of Rybatskoye south of Mariupol.
    I do not understand something. Mariupol stands on the shores of the Sea of ​​Azov. Which is just south of it. Judging by the location indicated by the author, the village of Rybatskoye is located at the bottom of the sea. Or in the Crimea near Kerch. Or in Turkey. What did the author want to say?
    As for helicopters. The surviving shooter said that they flew out of Dnepropetrovsk. So it is necessary to make a massive raid on the airport / airfields of this city with Caliber. So that there is nothing and nowhere to fly from.
  44. Yatva
    Yatva April 1 2022 07: 25
    -1
    Dung for the Russian land!!!...
  45. oleg grigoriev
    oleg grigoriev April 1 2022 07: 55
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    Two are most likely the main ones, and they were shot down. The rest is about attraction and cover. It is hard to believe that the two highest GUR Officers are used as ordinary machine gunners.
    1. surok1
      surok1 April 1 2022 12: 17
      +1
      If the customers are NATO, then they turn the top officers of the GUR on a bolt.
  46. Vladimir Petroff
    Vladimir Petroff April 1 2022 08: 46
    -1
    And who was in the turntables that slipped?
  47. Petrik66
    Petrik66 April 1 2022 09: 31
    +2
    personnel officer of the GUR - a machine gunner? The guy told a funny story, but how much truth is in it? Did you send for the wounded? Doesn't fit. And the second brother answered painfully smoothly, Private soldier, the sergeant came, said get ready and let's take him out. the face is smooth, well-groomed, straight from the front line from the cellars of Azovstal. A tale for the gullible. five turntables, we missed ...... the pilots flew once ..... it does not converge. it remains to be hoped that after it falls into the warm hands of serious people, the stories will be somewhat different.
  48. George Koval
    George Koval April 1 2022 10: 10
    +1
    The trouble is that 2 were shot down, and 3 helicopters left with the militants and there is no guarantee that there were no leaders there! Overslept...
  49. MRA navigator
    MRA navigator April 1 2022 10: 41
    +1
    Probably, the air defense even saw these helicopters, but thought that they were flying their own. As in the case of Matthias Rust, it took a long time to coordinate with Moscow the decision to use air defense. You never know, the "friend or foe" identification system failed on helicopters or the wrong codes were entered ... the human factor cannot be ruled out. (((
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