How the population of Little Russia rejected the foreign and artificial "Ukrainian language"

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How the population of Little Russia rejected the foreign and artificial "Ukrainian language"

Rally in the center of Kyiv. 1917

"Mova" was a new language created on the basis of the South Russian dialect with a large number of Polish, German and simply invented (artificial) words. Therefore, Russians in Little Russia, of course, did not want to study a completely unnecessary and alien language, although it was called “native language”.

Ukrainian parties


Masonic lodges created in Russia and Little Russia (How the anti-Russian project "Ukraine-Rus" was created), were secret organizations, they could not spread their views among the profane (not initiated into the brotherhood of "freemasons"). Therefore, numerous political parties are being created.



In 1904–1905 the first Ukrainian parties are created: the Ukrainian Democratic Party and the Ukrainian Radical Party. They demanded the elimination of the autocracy, the establishment of a parliamentary republic, a federal structure according to the ethnic-territorial system and the autonomy of Ukraine. The Ukrainian People's Rada was to become the legislative body of the Ukrainian autonomy. On the eve of the Duma elections in December 1905, two Ukrainian parties merged into the Ukrainian Democratic Radical Party (UDRP). Its leaders were B. Grinchenko, S. Efremov, M. Levitsky and M. Grushevsky. The key task of the UDRP was to transform Russia into a "parliamentary state", into a "federation of equal autonomous national-territorial units", with the division of power between the national and local parliaments and the idea of ​​the supremacy of local sovereignty.

Thus, in general, the programs of the Ukrainian liberal democrats, nationalists, as well as their Russian "brothers" (often they were members of the same Masonic lodges), were a repetition of the structure of the "advanced" Western powers. Russian and Ukrainian liberals and Westerners dreamed of a "nice" Holland or France. Rebuild and modernize Russia according to the Western matrix. Destroy autocracy, centralism, create a democratic parliamentary republic, a federation of "equal peoples." In fact, as the catastrophe of 1917–1920 showed, everything led to bloody turmoil and intervention by Western and Eastern “partners” who wanted to rob Russia, divide it into a bunch of “banana republics” and bantustans.

It is interesting that initially almost all future Ukrainian nationalists were socialists. The UDRP believed that socialism would be the basis for future transformations. In the first two State Dumas, the Ukrainian parliamentary group first joined the Cadets, then the Trudoviks. In 1907–1908 the party self-liquidated, serving as the basis for the Association of Ukrainian Progressives.

Also in 1905, the Ukrainian Social Democratic Labor Party arose on the basis of the Revolutionary Ukrainian Party. USDRP was headed by D. Antonovich, V. Vinnichenko, S. Petlyura, A. Zhuk and I. Grinchenko. USDRP proved historical Ukraine's right to independence, enshrined in the Pereyaslav Council of 1654, its program combined socialist, democratic and nationalist demands. The basis was already traditional: the republican-parliamentary system in Russia, the freedom and equality of nations, Ukrainian autonomy with self-government and the Sejm (Rada).

It is worth noting that at that time the Ukrainian parties were the lot of an insignificant part of the intelligentsia - literally hundreds, several thousand people. Its basis: petty officials, teachers, doctors, students, etc. These parties stewed in their own juice and had no influence on the people in Little Russia. The bulk of the intelligentsia supported the all-Russian parties - the monarchist, the Cadets, the Octobrists, and various socialists. Ordinary people did not perceive at all the fantasy of an independent “Ukraine” and the alleged existence of an “ancient Ukrainian people and language”.


Ukrainian revolutionary, one of the founders of the Ukrainian Social Democratic Labor Party (USDRP) Vladimir Kirillovich Vinnichenko

"Ridna Mova"


In the same period, with the support and funding of the Austrian authorities in Little Russia, the process of spreading the “ridnaya mova” began. In the cities of Little Russia, "Ukrainian-language" newspapers and publishing houses are founded. There is a flow of relevant literature. Propagandists of the “Ukrainian idea” appear in towns and villages. Interestingly, the Russian opposition - liberals and social democrats - actively supported this process, since they believed that it was directed only against the "tsarist regime", and not Russia in general. And for the Russian special services, this was another failure - the “fifth column”, with the support of Western “partners”, was preparing the future collapse of the Russian Empire right in front of their eyes.

"Mova" itself was a new language created on the basis of the South Russian dialect (Ukrainian language is a dialect of the Russian language) with a large number of Polish, German and simply made-up (artificial) words. "Ukromova", with the support of the Austrian authorities, could still somehow exist in Galicia, where Rusyns-Russians lived for a long time next to the Poles and Germans under their control and understood Polish and German words. In Russian Ukraine-Little Russia, things were different. The people didn't need an artificial chimera. They looked at “Ridna Mova” as gibberish. The Russian Little Russians could not read the newspapers and books printed on it. Therefore, the language, if it had not been constantly supported and implemented since 1917 at the state level, would simply have died naturally.

The Ukrainophiles themselves recognized the complete failure of this attempt to Ukrainize Little Russia.

“At the beginning of 1906, in almost every big city in Ukraine, newspapers in the Ukrainian language began to appear under different names,” recalled one of the most active Ukrainizers, Y. Syrykh (Tishchenko). “Unfortunately, most of those attempts and enterprises ended in the complete disappointment of the publishers ... the publications, having seen the light, after a few issues, or even after the first, have sunk into oblivion.”

It was about "ukromov":

“In addition to that small circle of Ukrainians who could read and write in Ukrainian, for the multimillion population of Russian Ukraine, the appearance of the Ukrainian press with a new spelling, with a mass of already forgotten or new literary words and concepts, etc. was something not only new , but also difficult, requiring training and study.

However, the Russians in Little Russia, of course, did not want to “study” a completely unnecessary and alien language, although they were called their native “mova”, of course. Therefore, periodicals in the language of language practically had no readers. For example, according to the same Syry, obviously overestimated, even Ridny Krai, one of the most widespread Ukrainian-language newspapers, had only about 200 subscribers (mainly from among the Ukrainophiles-Ukrainizers themselves).

For comparison: at the same time, Russian newspapers hostile to the Ukrainian movement in Little Russia, such as Kievskaya Mysl, Kievlyanin, Yuzhny Krai and others, had tens of thousands of subscribers. And such cheap Russian magazines as "Rodina" and "Niva" were published in millions of copies and had hundreds of thousands of subscribers in the "Ukraine".

Russian Little Russians preferred to speak and read in Russian, their native language, and not in "movie" - incomprehensible and alien. "Ukromova" was so alien to the Little Russians that even the activists of the Ukrainian movement declared that they did not understand such a language, and asked Hrushevsky to send dictionaries along with newspapers and books.

“What is now presented as the Little Russian language (by new newspapers) is unlike anything,” complained literary and theater critic, Ukrainophile V. Gorlenko. – Of course, these gentlemen are not to blame for the fact that there are no words for abstract and new concepts, but they are to blame for undertaking the creation of a language, being profoundly mediocre. I get the Poltava "Ridny Krai" and almost can't read it ... "

The failure of the first attempt to Ukrainization "from below"


Despite the complete rejection of the people, Grushevsky and other Ukrainizers continued to work actively to create a new literary language, completely independent of Russian, trying to innovate through newspapers, magazines and books.

The offensive against the Russian language was so active and unceremonious that even the classic of Ukrainian literature, the writer Ivan Nechuy-Levytsky, was indignant. Nechuy was for "mova", but he was against haste in this matter, since people simply cannot digest a large number of innovations. The writer was also outraged by the artificial introduction into circulation of a large number of Polish and new invented words, which were used to replace folk words. For example, instead of the word “hold”, the Ukrainianizers introduced the word “trimati”, instead of “wait” - “chekati”, “offered” - “poked out”, “brightly” - brightly, “around” - “navkolo”, “resentment” - “image”, “textbook” was replaced by “pidruchnik”, “student” - by “student”, etc. At the heart of all the replacements was the desire to make the new literary language as far from Russian as possible. True, at the same time, "ukromova" moved away from the traditional Little Russian dialects.

In 1905, the tsarist government lifted all restrictions on the use of "ukromov". However, the entire population of Little Russia still rejected the alien, artificial pseudo-Ukrainian language and the "history" of Pan Grushevsky. The project "Ukraine", if it were not for the catastrophe of 1917, in the natural course of events, had no chance of success at all.

Thus, the new language created in Austrian Galicia, based on Russian, Polish and German, with an abundance of new words, was incomprehensible and alien to the inhabitants of Little Russia. Russian remained the common, main language in Little Russia-Ukraine throughout the XNUMXth century. In the city they spoke Russian interspersed with words from the Little Russian dialects, in the village - on several Little Russian (South Russian) dialects, which were closer to the general Russian than to the Galician remake. Pan Grushevsky's plans failed.

Only when the Ukrainizers were able to seize power and began to introduce “mova” everywhere, at the same time expelling the Russian language from the press, institutions, higher and secondary schools, did the situation change somewhat.
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  1. +4
    April 1 2022 03: 48
    instead of the word “keep”, the Ukrainianizers introduced the word “trimati”

    It's a corrupted Polish word. And here is an example of a fictitious word - "gventokryl", which means "helicopter". Nothing but disgust and irritation, this abracadabra does not cause.
    I came to mind a dialogue that took place around 1917 between two Russian officers - one Ukrainian, and the other normal. A normal officer asks a Ukrainian officer, how will the "cat" be on the move? He replies, "kit." A normal officer laughs, but how then will you have a "whale"? The Ukrainian officer was silent for a while, then silently turned around and left.
    1. +2
      April 1 2022 04: 30
      Quote: Comrade
      how will "cat" be on the move?

      He didn’t ask about the exhaust pipe yet, there was a feast of the spirit in general! laughing
      1. 0
        April 1 2022 07: 14
        Well, about wyperdowa rura, this is an anecdote about the Poles, although the Westerners replace the word "pipe" that is sacred for the sharovarniks with "rura".
        1. 0
          April 1 2022 08: 03
          Quote: Nikolay Sviridenko
          this is a joke about Poles

          Someone was born to make a fairy tale come true, and someone is only suitable for making jokes come true! wink
          1. 0
            April 1 2022 08: 43
            Not a philologist ... but there that one ... Poklonskaya changed her shoes ( fool
            1. -2
              April 1 2022 08: 44
              Quote: Civil
              Poklonskaya changed shoes (

              And this citizen is very suitable for jokes and interesting pictures. good
    2. 0
      April 1 2022 07: 09
      In fairness, modern "rules" of the language of the helicopter can be denoted by as many as three words: ghventokryl, ghelikopter and still a helicopter. But the word "dangerous" in the move does not seem to have a single one, because "flammable" they write "fire-safe", i.e. fire IS NOT safe!
    3. -5
      April 1 2022 10: 42
      It might be funny only for people who know only one language. And, as life shows, it is usually very bad.
      Russian "cat" and "kit" in translation into Ukrainian do not become homonyms, and even if they did, then what's wrong with that.
      Therefore, the officer whom you call "Ukrainian" did the right thing, not continuing the stupid conversation, smart people usually do just that.
    4. +11
      April 1 2022 13: 28
      Quote: Comrade
      I came to mind a dialogue that took place around 1917 between two Russian officers - one Ukrainian, and the other normal.

      You forgot (or didn't know) that this dialogue took place on the pages of Bulgakov's novel The White Guard. So, in fairness: a cat is a whale; whale - whale. But the nuance is that in the Ukrainian language the letter "I" is read as "Y". Therefore, a cat and a whale in Ukrainian, with transliteration will be: whale and kyt. Learn materiel. You have to be aware of what you are criticizing. Otherwise, this criticism is not worth a damn.
      1. -2
        22 June 2022 17: 05
        And my wife says that her great-grandfather and his family from Bila Tserkva spoke Ukrainian at the beginning of the 20th century and there are many scans of creative works in the Ukrainian language of that time. Yes, the same Shevchenko, Lesya Ukrainka and others. they wrote in a common language and it is very close to Ukrmov. Take the pre-reform Russian language and the current television language, too, you know, there are enough changes. Eneida was written as a joke for the people among whom Kotlyarevsky lived, but certainly not as a pun about which the author writes. Maybe this rut ​​is enough that the Ukrainian MOV was artificially created and planted, just the creators designed and structured what went among the people and of course added polonisms, but again, not such a large percentage of sensations. It's just that over the course of many decades Russia has been losing the pro-Russian views of the people and its all-Russian association
    5. +8
      April 1 2022 14: 41
      a dialogue that took place around 1917 between two Russian officers - one Ukrainian and the other normal
      - this is a conversation from the "White Guard"
      “He is a bastard,” Turbin continued with hatred, “because he himself does not speak this language!” BUT? The day before yesterday I asked this channel, Dr. Kuritsky, if you were so kind as to see, he forgot how to speak Russian since last November. There was Kuritsky, and became Kuritsky ... So I ask: how is the “cat” in Ukrainian? He answers "whale." I ask: “What about a whale?” But he stopped, his eyes widened and he was silent. And now does not bow.
      Nikolka burst out laughing and said:
      - They cannot have the word “whale”, because there are no whales in Ukraine, but in Russia there are many. There are whales in the White Sea ...
  2. +2
    April 1 2022 04: 39
    Strangely, even Gogol placed in his stories a dictionary of "Little Russian words". True, in the 20s of the last century, the term "Little Russia" was considered chauvinistic and was replaced by the neutral "Ukrainian". In - - in my opinion, in the vicinity of Kyiv, even now people speak the way they spoke 1000 years ago .... And no one imposed anything on them.
    Modern Russian was created by Lomonosov and Pushkin. Now it's not customary to talk about it

    There were periods of "indigenization" in all the former Soviet republics. There were periods of Russification, which people like to talk about so much in Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Ukraine....

    I would like to say: "First, gentlemen, learn to write the word "Russia" on your jackets in Russian, not in English. And remove the names of settlements in English on your roads."
    There is a federal law according to which office work in Russia is conducted in Russian. And breaking the law in all countries is called the word
    "a crime"
    1. +1
      April 1 2022 05: 25
      Strangely, even Gogol placed in his stories a dictionary of "Little Russian words".
      So Makarenko A.S. there was a very colorful character named Otchenash, one of the most clearly defined characters in the novel - he also balakal, and this did not bother anyone. The bottom line is that "pure Russian" at the turn of the 19th-20th centuries was spoken by citizens in Ukraine (in principle, this is typical for any large country - in cities there is a need to bring the state language to a common denominator because of the need, in particular, for document flow , which the villagers did not even think about, hence the bunch of dialects in the Republic of Ingushetia - Kuban, Little Russian, Vologda, Pomeranian, etc. - but, again, in the cities these "dialects" were minimized). Given the percentage of townspeople / villagers, it was not so much. With the beginning of mass industrialization under the Bolsheviks, the villagers also massively reached out to the cities - hence the need to introduce bilingualism in the workflow. With the gray mass of yesterday's peasants, who did not understand anything but the language (by the way, why don't you like the word? A slightly transformed "rumor" familiar to everyone, nothing else), who did not understand, it was necessary to work somehow. And since there was a shit cloud of dialects in the same Ukraine, and the same Zapadensky Vuyko would hardly have understood the Slobozhan dialect, we had to invent some kind of average "Ukrainian language", taking something as a basis, of course. The practice, again, is normal - to look at the same Germany, the same China. The formation of the so-called "literary language" actually went much more fun with the advent of television and radio broadcasting - before that, centrifugal tendencies still reigned in the development of languages ​​(for large countries). After all, language is, after all, an infection, alive, it develops constantly, and you cannot freeze it. Therefore, a whole bunch of new languages ​​​​are developing from a previously single proto-language, the speakers of which do not understand each other point-blank. Therefore, Little Russia, very remote from the center of the country (and for some time completely cut off) simply could not help but acquire its own dialect (not yet a language). This is a normal historical process.
      But the task of Mr. Samsonov is purely propaganda, which is why he paints a picture where the vast majority of the population speaks the purest language of Chekhov and Tolstov, and some evil forces are trying to plant some newspeak directly into the brain of the population. In short, it's nonsense.
      1. +3
        April 1 2022 08: 15
        Quote: Dalny V
        With the beginning of mass industrialization under the Bolsheviks, the villagers also massively reached out to the cities - hence the need to introduce bilingualism in the workflow

        What about the meaning? Documentation involves the ability to read and write. If the rural population moved to the cities already being literate, then who, when and on what basis taught this population to read and write in "some average Ukrainian language"? Yes, and the "average language" of the population must first be taught spoken and only then written, for document management. It is much easier to immediately teach the state language, and not to invent an average version.
        1. -2
          April 1 2022 08: 51
          And the point is not to retrain an illiterate villager first into Russian, and only then - to teach how to write, but immediately teach how to write! The time saving is obvious, isn't it? He came to the city, in fact, to get a job, and not to retrain for a year or two, and only then go to build factories. Industrialization, you know, did not wait.
          As for the average, it is still average for Ukraine, and not for the whole of Russia, so the villagers did not have to rebuild much.
          1. +3
            April 1 2022 10: 26
            Quote: Dalny V
            and learn how to write!

            First, in your own words
            Quote: Dalny V
            I had to invent some kind of average "Ukrainian language"

            then teach
            Quote: Dalny V
            illiterate villager at first

            "invented average Ukrainian language" and only then teach to write. So what's the time savings?
            Quote: Dalny V
            He actually came to the city to get a job

            Uh ... So why does he need a document flow in two languages?
            Quote: Dalny V
            then it is still averaged for Ukraine, and not for all of Russia,

            Do you want to say that this same "illiterate villager" when arriving in the nearest city did not understand the Russian language?
            Quote: Dalny V
            Industrialization, you know, did not wait.

            Industrialization did not wait... Well, let's see. "Invent an average language" - do you need time? Translate learning materials into that language? Is it necessary to train a sufficient number of teachers capable of teaching in this "invented" language? To teach this language to all specialists and officials for whom Russian is their native language and who will govern, maintain order and
            Quote: Dalny V
            build factories

            need time? Just so that they understand what it is about holding papers written in the "second" language of the workflow. Do you need time and resources to duplicate all documentation in two languages? Do you need time and resources to have and maintain all documentation in two languages ​​at each facility? But there was no PC with a keyboard on which you can change the layout with one click, no copiers.
            One continuous waste of time and extra expenses. It is much easier, faster and cheaper to teach an "illiterate villager" to read the state language, which this "seluk" understands in a colloquial version.
            1. +1
              April 1 2022 10: 47
              Your opponent basically got it right.
              1. 0
                April 1 2022 10: 50
                Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                Your opponent basically got it right

                But so far he hasn't convinced me.
                1. -2
                  April 1 2022 11: 54
                  The factor of persuasion is not connected in our imperfect world with the factor of correctness wink
                  1. 0
                    April 1 2022 12: 16
                    Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                    The persuasion factor is not related

                    I will paraphrase - I do not see convincing arguments from my opponent. Maybe you will try?
          2. +3
            April 1 2022 12: 25
            Quote: Dalny V
            And the point is not to retrain an illiterate villager first into Russian, and only then - to teach how to write, but immediately teach how to write! The time saving is obvious, isn't it?

            The ambush is that the policy of Ukrainization was carried out most zealously in the former Russian lands, forcing Russian speakers to relearn the Ukrainian language.
            Ukrainization is pure politics, no economics. An attempt to fashion a new nation out of a conglomerate of Little Russians and Russians - Ukrainians. And it should be noted that the Bolsheviks coped with this - although they had to resort to the help of Ukrainian nationalists.
            1. +1
              April 1 2022 18: 54
              Good day Alexey, the question is for you as a historian and not a fan, what do you think, what is the percentage of the Old Russian language in the three remaining ones?
      2. +5
        April 1 2022 10: 12
        Quote: Dalny V
        But the task of Mr. Samsonov is purely propaganda

        And under it are selected facts and facts. I do not think that a significant part of the words of my Russian grandmother from the Russian outback could be understood by half of those present here. What language do our youth speak? Often, in order to understand what the interviewee said, you have to look into the dictionary. So what? I don't like it, but it's the Russian people who do it. No one is forcing it on us from outside. Whether it will pass or not, I don’t know, something will certainly remain. The language is developing. My parents did not know (or rather did not use) many words, the use of which was natural for me. It seems to me that the Russian language has moved away from that original (I don’t know how, not a philologist) Slavic further than others. Once in Bulgaria, after listening and reading, I came to this conclusion.
      3. +2
        April 2 2022 02: 24
        Quote: Dalny V
        Mr. Samsonov's task is purely propaganda, which is why he paints a picture where the vast majority of the population speaks the purest language of Chekhov and Tolstov, and some evil forces are trying to plant some newspeak directly into the brain of the population.

        Judging by your words, dear colleague, you either did not live in Ukraine, or you are prevaricating, or you are in the clouds. I was born and raised in Ukraine, got a higher education there. So, in the early 90s, even the authorities did not deny that over sixty percent of the population had Russian as their native language.
        Several tens of percent spoke the so-called. "Surzhik" - an uncultured mixture of Russian and Little Russian. Western Ukraine has its own dialect, very far from the language of Shevchenko. I speak literary Ukrainian fluently, but when one day I heard how the inhabitants of Transcarpathia speak, I realized that I understood almost nothing.
        A lot has changed in Ukraine in thirty years. Many millions of Russian-speakers have either passed away or left for other countries. Now there is a Russian native for forty percent, who are forcibly Ukrainianized.
        It even comes to the forcible appropriation of a name. Yes, yes, you heard right.
        When my daughter was born, I went to the registry office for a birth certificate. There they gave me a form to fill out, where you had to indicate the name of the child. I pointed it out, and the byd-lo sitting at the table gloatingly declared to me that there was no such name, and offered me a Ukrainized version of this name. Otherwise, she said, I would not have been given the child's birth certificate.
        Each of those who hate or deny the project "Ukraine" had their own impetus, from which this hatred began to develop. For me, the first such impetus was when a woman was kicked out of the line for milk and advised her to go to Russia. The basis is a conversation in Russian.
        The second impetus was the refusal of a representative of the authorities of the "European country of Ukraine" to register my daughter under the name that my wife and I decided to give her.
        I consider this a manifestation of fascism, Ukraine did not even spit on my wife and me, but spat into the soul, which is also why I approve of the Special Operation.
        By the way, I have a couple of cases when Ukrainian speakers wanted to give their children Russian names. Some gave a bribe and everything worked out, the second outwitted the registry office, proving that it was not a Russian, but a French name.
    2. +4
      April 1 2022 07: 27
      I would very much like to know why you equate the local dialect, which did not have a written version until the 19th century and, in terms of vocabulary diversity, suitable only for rural communication, with a developed, fully formed language? According to the "creation" of the Russian language by Lomonosov and Pushkin - a very interesting invention. Can you present a dictionary of new (at that time) words invented by them?
  3. 0
    April 1 2022 04: 52
    In Ukraine, they believe that the Belarusian language is 85% the same as Ukrainian. In the Belarusian language there is a rule - how you hear and write.
    1. +4
      April 1 2022 05: 29
      Belarusian, too, is still that splinter that exists only so that anyone can have a reason to fight. To measure tongues is one condition for the stupid, and now the reason is ready - the difference. I am a person, not a nation. We never considered Belarusian, and lived in Belarus - there was no Belarusian born there. Except implanted through the prism of the school curriculum. Why are the seeds of nationalism being sown in schools?
      1. +2
        April 1 2022 07: 10
        Quote from Maus
        Why are seeds of nationalism being sown in schools?

        Why does the Ministry of Culture in Russia pass off national amateur performances as culture? what is a cultured person? Isn't Culture a system of internal restrictions?
        1. 0
          April 1 2022 22: 41
          National initiative has nothing to do with a system of internal restrictions. The teaching of national languages, while their imposition is not constructive. Imagine a Christian temple and a kiosk next to it sells or distributes Buddhist and Muslim literature. Language as well as faith for unity need one.
          1. 0
            April 2 2022 07: 42
            Quote from Maus
            National amateur performance has nothing to do with the system of internal restrictions

            why then the ministry of culture is not called the ministry of national amateur performances, for the unity of language and meaning?
            1. +3
              April 2 2022 12: 41
              And we understand that this ministry is the most amateurish. For the ministers, although not born with a bast, are very presumptuous. A very revealing example is the leaders in Ukraine - how they presumptuously ruled and what new textbooks from a distance you all saw. It is especially possible to emphasize these national languages ​​- which cannot be studied under duress, as it was in our schools and is. I wouldn’t have taught Ukrainian while living in Ukraine, so I wouldn’t have taught at least half a class - but we don’t need it at all. The same situation is in Belarus. A similar situation with various other types of French, German, English. People should be asked and not made into a subservient herd. But so far we see exactly the attitude as with the herd.
              1. +1
                April 2 2022 14: 44
                Quote from Maus
                And we understand that this ministry is the most amateurish.

                good
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  5. 0
    April 1 2022 05: 21
    Samsonov works to the fullest. One might think that he did not learn Taras Shevchenko's poem. All these languages ​​were formed over the centuries. Another thing is that after the February Revolution, emphasis was placed on the nationalization of Ukraine. Even in Veliky Novgorod there was a mixture of Kiev and Novgorod dialects.
    1. 0
      April 1 2022 07: 03
      "Over the centuries"?! These are not languages, these are dialects! How can you call a language a language that doesn't even have the word "dangerous" in it? And modern dreamers have created a silly design "not safe". What "centuries" created the "folk" word "fire-safe"? The main task for the "creators" of the language was set by the Austrians in the 19th century - as unlike Russian as possible!
      1. -2
        April 1 2022 07: 33
        pissed off - also a masterpiece
  6. -2
    April 1 2022 05: 23
    I want to sleep from this dull article about MOV. I lived in Ukraine and everyone envied the military children who were allowed not to study either literature or language. They didn’t ask us why they taught poetry, wrote, etc. Planting in the truest sense of the word takes place as always - as before and now. The same story is happening now in Belarus, they are taught without asking if you want or not. It's quiet horror. There is also an article in the law where for an encroachment on such and such a language threatens a corner .. from. It was. But I hope it won't. We would not have studied this language even then - back in Soviet times. But there were some too responsible and harsh people who planted and reserved the right to manage us as they please. The same thing happened now in Ukraine. There were people - decided. And in the Russian Federation, too, they found that they have the strength to decide.
    This is a holy school program, and as a plus, you can score French, German, English in the same car. Give people free will and choice. Leave electives. Whoever decides will be engaged and taught. And when they teach something that is not needed, it means they are simply spamming the school curriculum.
    1. +4
      April 1 2022 06: 56
      In the early 1980s, I had to visit several Soviet republics. And only in the Ukrainian SSR (and this is in the Donbass!) Signboards at shops and enterprises-institutions were not duplicated in Russian! Only two enterprises in Severodonetsk had signboards in mov and Russian, NPO "Azot" and NPO "Impulse". And this despite the fact that I didn’t hear a single word there, not only in mov, but even in surzhik ... In vain the sharovarniks run into the communists - they were Ukrainizers no weaker than the present ones.
      1. +2
        April 1 2022 12: 28
        Quote: Nikolay Sviridenko
        In vain sharovarniks run into the communists - they were Ukrainizers no weaker than they are now.

        Otozh!
        1. 0
          April 16 2022 20: 54
          My grandmother told me how our local Kuban "welcomed" flying propaganda teams of Ukrainianizers in the 1920s and 30s. They drove with shafts to the outskirts. The leadership of the Ukrainian SSR then tried to stir up a referendum on the entry of the Kuban into Ukraine. The number didn't work. The word "Ukrainian" before the Second World War in the Kuban generally had a somewhat contemptuous connotation ...
      2. 0
        April 1 2022 22: 52
        I think everyone already understands perfectly well that those who rule over people are the ones who hang the scenery. And as the Lord ordered, the people are in control. Yes, and it cannot be said that they are de people of a higher structure or somehow differ from those whom they rule. Most often, those who go over the heads, stepping on the throats of opponents, are selected into the elite, and they become there because they crushed a lot of opponents competing for these places. Or is it not? So it was in Soviet times - the managers were people who could not understand the issues of nationalism, there, as God puts on the soul, so they ruled. And these current yellow and blue ones are also crazy. Can you imagine the path of Bandera, who ended ingloriously in Germany, killed by a bullet of a KGB agent. The same fate awaits those who chose his path. It seems that people do not understand the lessons of history, they choose paths without understanding what they are choosing, they gave them a path that was originally planned as a failure.
      3. +2
        April 2 2022 16: 50
        In general, they should have been grateful to the communists who gave them a republic. But as you can see, these ungrateful pigs were run by the Nazis - the enemies of everything that is peaceful and good. If there had been a wiser leadership, then independence would have been cranked out without insults and victims.
  7. +1
    April 1 2022 05: 23
    My aunt, who lived all her life in Primorye, said: crumbs, sit down, etc ... These words are from childhood in the international village of Zvenigorodka!
  8. +1
    April 1 2022 05: 31
    It is worth looking at the topic of the Ukrainian language, the performance of a diesel show, where a "Russian-speaking bard" comes to the Ukrainian "writer" in order to "translate" his "songs" to "ukromova"! It sounds there: "Whom did you call pidrahuem?" or: "I pidu once, I pidu once!"... (To the moderators! This is not a curse! This is "ukromova"!) Unfortunately, it was not possible to place a link to the video on VO because of "ukrolozungs"!
  9. 0
    April 1 2022 05: 54
    The artificial language and invented words were laughed at back in the days of Petliura, who was the first to ban the Russian language. There was such an expression "Samoper popped on muzzle painting", which, translated from the local newspeak, meant "The car went to photography."
  10. 0
    April 1 2022 06: 47
    In the 1920s and 30s, figures from the Ukrainian SSR started a movement to annex the Kuban to Ukraine. Wandering propaganda teams of "Ukrainizers" began to travel around villages and farmsteads, inciting Kuban residents to hold a referendum on joining the Ukrainian SSR. My grandmother once told me how they were greeted: from one outskirts of town to another, agitators had time to coat them with tar or tar and roll them out in feathers. Particularly slow-witted people got shafts across the back or lower. And the word "Ukrainian" almost to the very beginning of the Second World War in the Kuban had a contemptuous-scornful color and meant Westerners, alien to the Kubans both in dialect and in faith.
    1. -4
      April 1 2022 10: 56
      Yeah, and according to the "most truthful of the truthful historical truth" of the enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people, the Bolsheviks in the early 30s decided to stage a "holodomor" of the population of the Ukrainian SSR "in order to destroy the national identity of the Ukrainian people."
  11. -2
    April 1 2022 10: 44
    The project "Ukraine", if it were not for the catastrophe of 1917, in the natural course of events, had no chance of success at all.

    Exactly! Only the Russophobe Lenin provided all the forces for the split of the Russian people, in the 20s it was possible to get up to 3 years for ignorance of rumors in the state authorities of the Ukrainian SSR.
    1. -3
      April 1 2022 10: 53
      And based on what you did, the enemies of Lenin, why did you imagine yourself to be Russophiles?
      Or do you only have enough stupid malice AGAINST the entire Soviet mentality and intellect?
      1. -6
        April 1 2022 11: 25
        Baby, learn how to talk! Discussing the facts, not the personality of a person, although you are a woman, what to take from you.)))

        Skobelev - V. I. Lenin is a manic Russophobe!

        Lenin V.I. against Russians: “shoot and hang”

        I.A. Bunin about Ulyanov-Lenin:
        “... A degenerate, moral from birth.
        He ravaged the world's greatest country and killed several million people ...
        And yet the world has already gone so mad that in broad daylight it argues whether it is a benefactor of mankind or not?”...

        Quotes from Lenin's notes:
        "Ivashek" must be fooled.
        We won't seize power without fooling "Ivashki"
        "And I don't care about Russia ..."
        "... So that they would not dare to think about any resistance for several decades."
        "The court should not eliminate terror, but justify and legitimize it in principle"
        "The intelligentsia is not the brain of the nation, but shit"
        "We need to encourage the energy and mass character of terror"
        “Under the guise of the 'greens' (we will blame them later) we will walk 10-20 versts and outweigh the kulaks, priests, landowners. Bonus: 100.000 RUB for the hanged man "
        "... the more bourgeoisie and clergy we manage to shoot on this occasion, the better"
        1. -3
          April 1 2022 11: 35
          You are our ill-bred, I asked about the basis on which YOU, the enemies of Lenin, imagined that you were Russophiles.
          And you began to act in the cowardly manner of Lenin's enemies - when they write and talk about YOU, you cowardly "transfer arrows" to others.
          And for 35 years of your "freedom of speech" - since your anti-Soviet Perestroika, not one of you has proven that he is worthy of it, including the fact that none of you is capable of honest, objective, adequate discussions about the history and politics of your country and the people.
          1. -3
            April 1 2022 12: 06
            Yeah .... The proverb about Russia's two troubles is confirmed at every turn. Especially about the first one. There is no such delirium of the mentally ill, which would not become someone's worldview. And then we wonder where the thugs come from. And a terrible senseless war of their own against their own begins.
          2. -2
            April 1 2022 12: 32
            Another empty chatter and fabrications, find at least one word from me that I am a supporter of perestroika!
            Baby, only "cute" infantiles think in black and white categories like "liberal communists", adults have a much more complex outlook on life.
            1. -2
              April 1 2022 12: 43
              Ha, here is the cowardly "ideology" of the enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people. All 30 years after they seized the USSR, they rage against the Soviet people, against everything that they have done, and cowardly whine in unison that they all "have nothing to do with" responsibility for what they did both under Soviet power and in their anti-Soviet Perestroika, in which they lied to the Soviet people in EVERYTHING, and 30 years after they captured the USSR.
              But at the same time, they seriously imagined that they had every right to take the country from the communists and their supporters, and what they would like to do with the republics of the USSR and their peoples they had captured.
              1. +1
                April 1 2022 13: 17
                Again, empty chatter and slogans, where is the answer to my specific question?)))
                But at the same time, they seriously imagined that they had every right to take the country from the communists and their supporters, and what they would like to do with the republics of the USSR and their peoples they had captured.

                Where did you see the communists, there were only empty talkers left like you! 30 years ago you quietly sat on the sofas when the country was taken away from you nonentities.)))
        2. 0
          April 1 2022 12: 12
          I.A. Bunin about Ulyanov-Lenin:
          “... A degenerate, moral from birth.
          He ravaged the world's greatest country and killed several million people ...
          And yet the world has already gone so mad that in broad daylight it argues whether it is a benefactor of mankind or not?

          Yeah, you have "real" authorities. You would also mention the description by the misanthrope Bunin of Mikhailovskaya Elena Konstantinovna-
          11 March.
          The wife of the architect Malinovsky, stupid, with a big forehead, who in her entire life had nothing to do with the theater, is now a commissar of theaters: only because she and her husband are friends of Gorky in Nizhny Novgorod. In the morning we were at the Book Publishing House of Writers, and Gontarev told how Sh. had been waiting for Malinovskaya for an hour somewhere at the entrance, when the car with Malinovskaya finally drove up, rushed to drop her off with truly servile subservience.


          And this "stupid, big-headed ..." brought the Bolshoi Theater, being its director, into the best opera and ballet theater in the world. She died in Tashkent during the war, evacuated along with the theater, to which she devoted her whole life. And Bunin at that time quietly coexisted with the Nazis in France.
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            1. -3
              April 1 2022 12: 37
              You, the enemies of Lenin on the territory of the USSR, are an anomaly of humanity in everything, including the fact that both your "history" of our country and people, and your "ideology" after your capture of the USSR is a stupid, irrational malice AGAINST, FOR YOURSELF, FOR what you yourself did, and FOR your country and people, you have nothing good.
              For all 104 years of the Soviet and your evil anti-Soviet-Russophobic periods, you have not done anything useful for your country and people, and you have not even offered.
              You hate both the Soviet people and the peoples in the republics of the USSR you captured, and each other.
            2. -2
              April 1 2022 13: 23
              but unlike the joyful admirers of the ghoul, who did not live under developed Leninism, a contemporary!

              He is a contemporary of Mikhailovskaya and many others on whom he spat bile.
              I understand that, in essence, there is nothing to say about the Russophobic and cannibalistic essence of Lenin.

              And what to talk about with a person who gives false quotes?
      2. 0
        April 16 2022 20: 59
        About your stupidity about Lenin, as a Russophile, it has already been well explained here, about the mentality is understandable, but I would like to know what "Soviet intelligence" is? Is this some new word in science, or what?
  12. +1
    April 1 2022 13: 58
    Well, the author works out his 5 kopecks, though at the level of a very close-minded agitator. Moreover, to the article of the photo of the rally, who is standing there, the form of some is incomprehensible. Belarusians will not become like that when Lukashenka is knocked over. All languages ​​are evolving. A word about Igor's regiment, the devil will break a leg for us there, but Ukrainians and Belarusians fully understand it in the original. Words are invented or borrowed, for example, in Russian all technical terms are of French German origin. Naval terms are entirely Dutch. It is the same with our nationalities of Russia, for example, among the Yakuts, the word cat is translated as "clever dog". In the USSR, teaching in the republics in many schools was conducted in the native language, the Russian language was a subject at school, it was taught in some way. In the army, these guys came without knowing the Russian language at all. Moreover, in Asia they wrote in Arabic script, or Persian, I don’t remember. Then everything was changed to Cyrillic. With tyapnitsa all of you.
  13. 0
    April 1 2022 15: 23
    Quote: Detnix
    Again, empty chatter and slogans, where is the answer to my specific question?)))
    But at the same time, they seriously imagined that they had every right to take the country from the communists and their supporters, and what they would like to do with the republics of the USSR and their peoples they had captured.

    Where did you see the communists, there were only empty talkers left like you! 30 years ago you quietly sat on the sofas when the country was taken away from you nonentities.)))

    First, the workers were in fact taken away from their proletarian party .... this is still under Khrushchev. The workers didn't care. Then they took away the country, the workers don’t give a damn about it either. Then they voted for privatization.. They betrayed everything that is possible and impossible. Then everyone was kicked and kicked out into the street.
    It seems to me that everything is fair. By. Senke and hat
    .
    BUT where does the idea of ​​​​communism, on which our people long-- long ago put ..,?
    I believe that fools are taught and this is normal. Even if they can't learn anything.
  14. -1
    April 1 2022 17: 21
    the language determines the worldview if the language is cobbled together from several languages, and the worldview is pure politics, the Poles and the British at that time had to squeeze the violence in their direction to tear away from Orthodoxy, which they managed to do now through Nazism and not through MOV, since half of the Nazis do not know MOV
  15. 0
    April 2 2022 01: 32
    It must be admitted that the situation changed even more when the new Ukrainizers of the period of Soviet "indigenization" got down to business.
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  17. 0
    April 2 2022 10: 14
    i][/i]And for the Russian special services, this was another failure - the "fifth column", with the support of Western "partners", was preparing the future collapse of the Russian Empire right before our eyes.[i][/i] Brezhnev began to single out these "national autonomies" in damage to the Russians (national cadres) and everything ended in 1991 ...
  18. 0
    April 2 2022 10: 40
    For a better understanding of this problem, one must clearly understand that "Ukrainianism" itself is fertile ground for the emergence of Nazism. As long as the very concept of "Ukraine" exists, hammered into the heads of the Russian population by the ideologists of this term, starting from the Poles and Russian "figures", starting from the 19th century, this problem will not disappear. In order to combat this ugly phenomenon, it is necessary to refute the very mythology this movement is indispensable without precise knowledge. Knowledge of history is a weapon. I can cite a dozen books thanks to which I came to this conclusion.
    I will give, for example, the title of only one book that you can find in Runet:
    "Ukrainian Movement. A Brief Historical Sketch" A. Tsarinny (A.V. Storozhenko).
    Without such knowledge, we will constantly step on the "Ukrainian" rake.
    We are paying today for mistakes made a hundred years ago.
    For propaganda work in this direction, a service should be created at the state level, and this work should be carried out at a high professional level, up to the publication of books debunking Ukrainian myths in an accessible and clear language.
    1. 0
      April 4 2022 11: 16
      Heh ... Heh ... A little more than 100 years ago, the Red Army smashed the "zhovto-blakit" ataman Petlyura and the UNR - a chimera that existed at the expense of the Germans, and then the Entente.
      And in 1920, she took Kyiv for the second time and drove the Poles to the West. The history of us - fools sticks its nose into an unlearned lesson.
      Here they are where the "rake" is - then, good sir !!
      For 30 years everyone has been hollowing out that "you need to know your History", but in reality no one knows a damn thing .....
  19. 0
    April 8 2022 20: 04
    understandably, Russians in Little Russia did not want to study a completely unnecessary and foreign language, although it was called “native language”.

    Severodonetsk.
    In 1967, I went to the second grade, and we got a new subject: the Ukrainian language. Honestly, at the beginning I wanted to mow down, I asked my parents to write down a statement about the refusal of this subject, but dad said: "Where do you live and whose fat do you eat !?" On the one hand, it was interesting - I studied a foreign language. All the time until the tenth grade I was interrupted from three to four in this subject, but literature ...
    PS: to the author - not "native language", but "ridna"
    PS: I live in St. Petersburg. Patriot of Russia, but not of some politicians
  20. 0
    April 8 2022 21: 33
    language is not only communication in society and knowledge, different "from and to", language, after a certain age, is a comfortable and dignified life. In youth, youth, there is no problem to learn a foreign language, if not stupid and lazy, but there is a problem with Ukrainian. I can say, having lived all 30 years, in the city of a "millionaire", a city that, under the USSR, I don’t write for the empire, didn’t live, it was much more significant than Kyiv, that it was he, Ukrainian, and only he, with the filing and implementation of the ideas of Zapidensky ideologists became the main cause of the war. Banderism, true Ukrainianness, corruption of millions in language, and so on, is not the root cause, it is later. And it all started in 1992 only with the language
    1. 0
      April 16 2022 21: 16
      You are wrong. It started much earlier. "Ukrainianness" was invented by the Austrians in the 19th century, for which they mobilized almost all the available Russian semi-intelligentsia and the Uniate priesthood. Under the Poles between the wars, Ukrainization continued. Soviet leaders also put a lot of effort and money into the spread of ragulism, and, to be honest, I simply don’t understand their motivation. But the main mistake was made by Stalin - he joined the Zapadensky Selyuks to the USSR, which poisoned the whole country, and not just the Ukrainian SSR ... Well, I'll just keep silent about Khrushchev.
      1. 0
        April 16 2022 21: 20
        did not live under the Austrians
  21. 0
    3 June 2022 16: 10
    Mykola, do you know how Muscovites call pivo? And how? Beer. Beer ? I would die for such words ...
  22. 0
    21 June 2022 10: 43
    Quote: ivan2022

    There is a federal law according to which office work in Russia is conducted in Russian. And breaking the law in all countries is called the word
    "a crime"

    There is a federal law according to which office work is conducted in state languages, and there are more than fifty of them in the Russian Federation.
    Law of the Russian Federation of October 25.10.1991, 1807 N 1-11.06.2021 (as amended on June XNUMX, XNUMX) "On the Languages ​​of the Peoples of the Russian Federation"
    Article 16. Use of languages ​​in official business
    1. On the territory of the Russian Federation, official office work in state bodies, organizations, enterprises and institutions is conducted in Russian as the state language of the Russian Federation. Official office work in the republics is also carried out in the state languages ​​of these republics.
    A "crime" is a violation of specific articles of the criminal code.
  23. -2
    22 June 2022 17: 08
    And my wife says that her great-grandfather and his family from Bila Tserkva spoke Ukrainian at the beginning of the 20th century and there are many scans of creative works in the Ukrainian language of that time. Yes, the same Shevchenko, Lesya Ukrainka and others. they wrote in a common language and it is very close to Ukrmov. Take the pre-reform Russian language and the current television language, too, you know, there are enough changes. Eneida was written as a joke for the people among whom Kotlyarevsky lived, but certainly not as a pun about which the author writes. Maybe this rut ​​is enough that the Ukrainian MOV was artificially created and planted, just the creators designed and structured what went among the people and of course added polonisms, but again, not such a large percentage of sensations. It's just that over the course of many decades Russia has been losing the pro-Russian views of the people and its all-Russian association
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  24. 0
    31 August 2022 01: 40
    A simple look at the words of the Ukrainian language is enough to doubt this theory, almost every word (except for borrowed ones) knows the meaning and connection, the same table and chair, "stіl" is a table, then what you sit on in front of the table "stіlchik" is used diminutively affectionate, and this is just one of the examples, you can see the names of the months, and so on, if you don’t believe it, you can google what the Little Russian language is, or even look for the alphabet, you won’t find anything, because the Little Russian language is not the fact that it is different from Ukrainian

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