The muffler becomes... a suppressor

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Shot from the film "Va-bank" - a crime comedy directed by Juliusz Machulsky, 1981

– Do you know what it is?
- Silencer.
“Agree, or add a revolver to it?”

Weapon and firms. Some time ago, a discussion arose at VO about what a weapon suppressor is and whether it should be called more traditionally, namely: “silent (and) flameless firing device (PBBS); as well as a silent firing device or a flameless firing device, PBS; colloquially "silencer"). In all cases, we are talking about a muzzle mechanical device for small arms, the purpose of which is to attenuate the sound of a shot. In addition, it also hides the muzzle flame, which is useful, since the latter unmasks the shooter and attracts the attention of the enemy. The PBBS is attached to the barrel of the weapon, but it can also be an integrated part of the weapon itself.

I don’t know how anyone, but both the abbreviation PBBS and the set of words “silent firing and flameless firing device” have no comparison in terms of information content with the word “suppressor”. And why write a lot of words when it's easier to write just one. The topic, however, turned out to be very, very interesting, so today we’ll talk about the suppressors of modern firearms.



The muffler becomes... a suppressor

Drawing from the article "Silent guns" ("Sytin's Military Encyclopedia"; 1911

We should start with the fact that devices that reduce the volume of a shot have been talked about for a very long time. For example, Sytin's Military Encyclopedia wrote about them in 1911. But then the concern for reducing the volume of the shot was considered excessive. Well, who then especially cared about the comfort of a soldier? You think it will go a little deaf, what's the matter? True, silencers for pistols and the Nagant revolver nevertheless spread. But they took root mainly among gangsters and secret agents.


Frame from the movie "All In" 1981. Where our Russian (as well as Polish) Nagant revolver with a silencer on the barrel is shown. It was impossible to put a silencer on all revolvers of a different design!

The muffler today is usually made of a hollow metal tube made of steel, aluminum or even titanium with expansion chambers. They are usually cylindrical and are attached to the muzzle of a pistol, rifle, or even a machine gun. Such an installation requires the barrel of the firearm to be threaded to accept a silencer.

Another type is the "integrated silencer", which usually consists of an expansion chamber or chambers surrounding the barrel, not bolted to it, as in a conventional silencer, but attached directly to it. The barrel has openings or "ports" through which gases are vented into these chambers. Since this type of silencer is part of the firearm, any maintenance or cleaning of the silencer requires the weapon to be at least partially disassembled.


A traditional pistol silencer looks like this...

Another type of silencer has inside special porous "wipe" liners made of light plastic, neoprene or other material, built into the inside of the cylinder, with which the bullet comes into contact as it passes through the silencer so that they essentially "wipe" the bullet as it passes through the silencer. passes through them. Each "napkin" slows down the expansion of hot gas and muzzle flash. These mufflers are very effective, but as you can imagine, they require regular maintenance and a large number of "spare parts".


And this is what it looks like from the inside!

Mufflers with baffles inside are structurally simpler. They are usually round metal partitions that separate the pipe into numerous expansion chambers. Each baffle has a hole in the center to allow the bullet to pass through the silencer, exit the barrel, and hit its intended target. The hole is usually 1 mm larger than the caliber of the bullet for which the suppressor is designed to minimize the risk of the bullet hitting the baffle in what is called a "baffle hit".


So complex in their profile "partitions" inside the muffler are needed in order to make the powder gases "interfer" with each other and dampen their speed. Less speed - quieter the sound of a shot!

The number, shape, and diameter of baffles can be quite complex with each manufacturer, with each manufacturer claiming to have "the quietest muffler". In any case, they are trying to equip all the latest models of small arms with suppressors, so that their production is becoming more and more profitable.


Radical Defense suppressor for M240 machine gun

Both of these types of silencers reduce the noise of the shot by slowing down the rapidly expanding gases ejecting the bullet, while cooling them in hollow chambers. Entrained gas exits the muffler over a much longer time compared to simply exiting the barrel, and exits at a much slower rate and produces less noise.


One of the company's workshops

Silencers vary in design, size and effectiveness, some have even been made disposable. For example, in the 80s, the US Navy developed such a disposable silencer for a 9mm pistol. It was rated for six rounds with standard ammunition, or 30 rounds with subsonic (less than the speed of sound) ammunition.

There is even a suppressor designed for use with the incredibly powerful .50 caliber cartridge. This is a truly amazing design at 20 inches long and 3 inches in diameter!


It is on such complex machines that parts for weapons are now being produced!

Today, devices that reduce the volume of a shot are at the same time a muzzle brake, and not only eliminate muzzle flash, but also reduce recoil when fired. And such and such a device is called a suppressor, while they are put not only on machine guns, but also on machine guns. And one of the problems with using silencers on machine guns is that they are much more prone to heat build-up than machine guns themselves.

In 2019, the United States put forward a requirement for a silencer that could withstand the firing of a belt of 600 rounds of an M240 machine gun. In response, the American company Radical Defense, which specializes in the development of such devices, has developed a silencer specially designed for use with this particular machine gun.


Radical Defense is a state-of-the-art CNC manufacturer using state-of-the-art technology

They took the concept of forced air cooling from the Lewis machine gun and integrated it into their silencer. Inside the cylinder there are partitions, but they are next to the hollow channels that run along its entire length. The muzzle blast from the shot pulls cold outside air through these channels from back to front and thus cools the entire device. Interestingly, as soon as the temperature of the suppressor cylinder reaches 450 degrees Fahrenheit, the temperature difference between the internal and external environment creates the effect of forced air supply without any firing, which dramatically increases the cooling rate of the suppressor body.

During testing, it was found that a burst of 600 rounds heats it (specifically the 7,62mm version on the M240) to 1°F, but after 565 minutes its temperature drops to 10°F. After another 484 minutes, the temperature drops to ambient temperature.


Most of their people are employed in the warehouse, where finished products are packed for shipment to customers.

Radical Defense chose an exceptionally high temperature alloy for this suppressor. It contains more than 50% nickel with a significant proportion of cobalt. This allows its body to withstand the extremely high temperatures that occur during prolonged firing. The suppressor housing is fabricated using laser sintering, allowing all the complex geometries of silencer baffles and cooling passages to be formed without the insanely complex machining or welding fixtures that traditional manufacturing processes would require. This is a great example of using 3D printing technology to create the internal geometry of a device that would have been impossible just a few years ago.


One of the latest developments in this area: US Patent Curtis Proske US20140262604A1

The initial design was developed for the 7,62 mm caliber for the M240 machine gun. There is a 5,56mm version for the M249. A version for the 12,7mm M2 is still in development. The disadvantages of this suppressor include significant cost and weight (for example, the 5,56 mm version weighs about a kilogram). However, Radical is already developing a second generation of suppressor for both calibers.


The main thing here is to come up with a partition that is more pozakovyristee!

The company declares its commitment to putting the most advanced developments in this area into the hands of soldiers and law enforcement agencies. And what is interesting is that what began as an idea to eliminate sound effects dangerous to hearing, over time turned into innovative solutions to a whole range of problems of modern weapons. However, the main task is still to combat the excessive volume of the shot. Although weapon heat signatures, user-serviceability, durability and reliability are just some of the challenges that today's developments in the suppressor require.

PS


For the design of the material used photos from the site of the company Radical Defense.
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  1. +28
    April 3 2022 04: 29
    Fahrenheit is still better to translate in Celsius, because this article is adapted for the Russian audience.
    1. +3
      April 3 2022 15: 04
      Quote: mark1
      It is still better to translate Fahrenheit in Celsius, after all, this article is adapted for the Russian audience

      1560 F is 850 C. Glowing yellow. At night it will be visible for miles.
      1. 0
        22 May 2022 15: 22
        The barrel does not heat up in the same way and will also "shine" with almost white light ...
  2. +11
    April 3 2022 04: 40
    - Do you know what it is? Muffler.
    А You you know what it such? A mouthpiece ... from a trumpet. I am a musician fellow
    Continuation of the dialogue from the movie All-In. Thanks to the author, an interesting article (+).
    1. AUL
      +14
      April 3 2022 09: 42
      It looks like a translation from the Radical Defense advertising booklet.
      1. +1
        April 3 2022 09: 56
        hi Ran > like yes request but still interesting. Yes
        1. -1
          April 3 2022 20: 59
          Knows how to "submit the goods"
          1. 0
            April 3 2022 21: 23
            Quote: vladcub
            Knows how to "submit the goods"
            hi
            as if yes, we make a discount on the fact that -
            "children are also watching us", no one cancels the cognitive and educational aspect. smile
      2. +1
        April 3 2022 21: 26
        Kamrad AUI agrees. It feels like V.O is writing an ad for Radical. Unfortunately, V.O. has similar punctures. They reduce interest in work.
  3. +6
    April 3 2022 05: 08
    Curious. Thanks for the material that broadened my horizons and knowledge about the silencer device.
    You can even compare with:
    Silencers? In fact, they do not exist!
    https://topwar.ru/167150-glushitelej-na-samom-dele-ne-suschestvuet.html
  4. +5
    April 3 2022 05: 45
    Note to Mr. Shpakovsky: A suppressor is a silencer!
    1. +3
      April 3 2022 06: 13
      Quote: Nafanya from the couch
      Note to Mr. Shpakovsky: A suppressor is a silencer!

      Isn't it really already... laughing
      For Mr. Nafani from the couch!
      Beginning of the Author's article:
      Some time ago, a discussion arose at VO about what a weapon suppressor is and whether it should be called more traditionally, namely: “silent (and) flameless firing device (PBBS); as well as a silent firing device or a flameless firing device, PBS; colloquially "silencer")

      good
      1. +1
        April 3 2022 06: 23
        For Mr. Vladislav. I usually read not only the titles and the first paragraph of the article, but also everything else.
        Today, devices that reduce the volume of a shot are at the same time a muzzle brake, and not only eliminate muzzle flash, but also reduce recoil when fired. And such and such a device is called a suppressor,

        This is a quote from the article above.
        1. +8
          April 3 2022 07: 05
          The Vintorez PBBS integrated into the barrel has similar properties, but no one calls it a “suppressor”.
          Silencer and imported - suppressor - this is for the townsfolk. Military-technical domestic terms are completely different.
          Another name for a suppressor in the Western press is a moderator. This is the case if the device is designed primarily for a quality shot, and not noise reduction. We have at least 10 different items! For example, compensators for AK.
          By the way, the mentioned "suppressors" for American machine guns with a cartridge of 7,62 and 12,7 in domestic terminology are not "silencers", but low-noise firing devices! The volume of burst shots remains significant despite the weight of the suppressor.
      2. +1
        April 3 2022 17: 44
        On the Kalashnikov Magazine channel, an ancient book was shown, from the 30s of the last century, which describes all the basic designs and principles of the PBS, it was for official use.
  5. +13
    April 3 2022 06: 08
    Our language is flexible, the last Russian tsar (Peter the Great) Germanized the Russian language, the German empress Frenchified, now IT-shniks are successfully anglinizing, time will tell. something that is some kind of rustic, bydlyadsky silencer
    1. +5
      April 3 2022 06: 41
      Quote: Siberian54
      Our language is flexible, the last Russian tsar (Peter the Great) Germanized the Russian language, the German empress Frenchified, now IT-shniks are successfully anglinizing, time will tell. something that is some kind of rustic, bydlyadsky silencer

      Bright comment!
      But if objectively, all languages, without exception, borrow something from their neighbors. Everything defines knowledge.
      For example, the word "ax", at first glance, a truly Russian word - mentioned in the Tale of Bygone Years and in many other sources. Ah, no - it turns out to be of Iranian origin. The chest is Terek, the hut is German, the dog is Alan if I am not mistaken.
      Is it good or bad?
      I recall a joke.
      “Vasya measure chickens with an odometer or whore? Yes you sho, there is a wheel there. They roll on the map and determine the amount of fodder per unit area according to the scale of the map.
      The main thing is perhaps something else - the richness of the language !!!
      1. +5
        April 3 2022 07: 03
        Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
        The main thing is perhaps something else - the richness of the language !!!

        +++++++++++++++!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      2. +3
        April 3 2022 08: 04
        Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
        But if objectively, all languages, without exception, borrow something from their neighbors. Everything defines knowledge.
        For example, the word "ax", at first glance, a truly Russian word - mentioned in the Tale of Bygone Years and in many other sources. Ah, no - it turns out to be of Iranian origin. The chest is Terek, the hut is German, the dog is Alan if I am not mistaken.

        In fact, it is an extremely dubious theory that words similar in Russian and foreign languages ​​have a borrowed origin in Russian. So the words "ax", "hut", "dog" most likely come from the language of the common Indo-European community BEFORE the separation of Iranian, German and other groups from it.
        1. +4
          April 3 2022 08: 37
          come from the language of the common Indo-European community BEFORE the separation of Iranian, Germanic and other groups from it.

          You're right. Most of the rivers in Russia have exactly the Proto-Indo-European names, which are translated into Sanskrit. The Iranian language has the same origin as Sanskrit from the Proto-Indo-European language. The Russian word for "brother" in Persian is "biruder". Now there are more and more confirmations that the Kurgan theory of Marija Gimbutas is correct. This theory determines the formation of the Indo-European language in the space between the Southern Urals and the Middle Volga. I always cite the name of the Voininga River in the Vladimir region as an example, I always thought about such an interesting name when I crossed it on trips. It turns out that the pseudonym of the singer Vaenga and the name of this river have one origin, only Vaenga is already a simplified derivative name. The Vaenga River flows in Severomorsk, the birthplace of the singer. So, in translation from Sanskrit, however, it is not necessary to translate from Russian, but simply divided into separate words, "Voyn in Ga", translated as the Military Road or the road to the War, before the rivers were the main roads both in winter and summer. For understanding, I will give a translation of the ancient word "Cart", from Sanskrit it is "Long Road", the word Ga is preserved in the name, for example, the Volga - the Road to Freedom, and now we use it as the name of the road with a deck of logs "Gat" ., in ancient roads are like highways for us now. And Warrior, War, it just became Russian words., Like the abbreviated War - Vo.
          Among the southern Slavs, i.e. in the Balkans, the names Voinga and derivatives from it used to be popular, depending on the people. This name was given to children who were born after their fathers went to war.
          Foreign philologists strongly resist the origin of the Proto-Indo-European language in the Volga region and the Urals.
    2. +1
      April 3 2022 07: 01
      Quote: Siberian54
      time will tell what will take root. The garbage will leave, the necessary will remain

      + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
      1. +1
        April 3 2022 07: 37
        To be honest, I sincerely thought that the words honey, bear and many others are Old Russian, even Old Slavic terms. The same Vladimir Monomakh "for the saddle bear biting! Revelations began after reading Grekov, Kostomarov and other historians who raised issues of philology. The same Zadornov with his "Honey knows" has definitely not entered. But how beautifully presented.
        In the teenage slang of my childhood, parents were defined as "laces". A semantic explanation I think is redundant! laughing later it repainted in - ancestors, then in - (I'm afraid the moderators will not let it through). The main thing is that the language of age, territorial and various other (professional for example) subcultures will always differ from the norm. For example, realizing the “inferiority” of the capital city dialect, it is scientifically recognized in the Russian language to recognize deviations from the norms of the native language as the norm! Two years later, our scientists did the same with the dialect of Northern Palmyra!!!
        If on the fingers - the St. Petersburg "front doors" were equated with the all-Russian "entrances", however, like the "curbs" with the "curb", recognizing them as an exception, but an exception to normal.
        By the way, it is customary to scold our monarchs for not loving the Russian language. But there are also reverse cases, for example, Catherine I, I even find it difficult to name who by blood !!!
        One of her decrees instead of "accountant" returned the position of "accountant"! Alas, it didn't stick.
        1. +2
          April 3 2022 17: 52
          The accountant was Ershov, the author of The Humpbacked Horse. It was a high position, with the competence of an economist.
        2. +2
          April 3 2022 18: 38
          How strange our fate is: the Russian tried to make Germans out of us, the German wanted to turn us into Russians.

          Vyazemsky.
    3. +1
      April 3 2022 17: 45
      All these "rangers" are intelligent, yeah.
    4. +3
      April 3 2022 21: 06
      "suppressor sounds intelligent" is not a fig like that. I ostentatiously agree, but "the silencer just fits the point
    5. 0
      5 May 2022 16: 43
      Quote: Siberian54
      now IT people are successfully anglinizing

      If only they were anglicised...
      The modern Russian IT specialist is not trained in languages, he has never heard of transcription, so he breeds freaks like this "suppressor", not even interested in how the word really sounds ...
      It is the lack of education with snobbery that leads to unnecessary borrowing in the presence of well-established, sometimes shorter, terms.
  6. +4
    April 3 2022 08: 44
    How bizarrely the discussion of the article went from weapons to linguistics and the history of words ..
    During the Great Patriotic War, alas, I don’t remember the name of our engineer, a silencer invented by him was used for milking a sniper mosquito. The highlight was that it was attached at the place where the regular bayonet was attached and its attachment was similar to it.
    1. +5
      April 3 2022 10: 13
      Quote: Andrey VOV
      How bizarrely the discussion of the article went from weapons to linguistics and the history of words ..
      During the Great Patriotic War, alas, I don’t remember the name of our engineer, a silencer invented by him was used for milking a sniper mosquito. The highlight was that it was attached at the place where the regular bayonet was attached and its attachment was similar to it.

      1. +1
        April 3 2022 10: 49
        Exactly right, thanks
      2. 0
        April 3 2022 21: 11
        Actually, "BraMit -" Mitin brothers "was primarily intended for Nagant, but it is not very effective on a three-ruler
        1. +1
          April 3 2022 23: 39
          BraMit is one of the first mass-produced Soviet mufflers. Received the name "BraMit" in honor of the inventors - the brothers V.G. and I.G. Mitinykh. The first model designed to be mounted on a revolver of the Nagant system was developed in 1929. Later, in the 1930s, a variant was developed for installation on the Mosin rifle.
          And for Mosinka, it was a slightly different size, of course.))



          1. 0
            April 4 2022 08: 48
            It seems that I read in Krasnaya Zvezda: a silencer for a rifle turned out to be complicated and useless
            1. +1
              April 4 2022 08: 50
              You look at the photo, what kind of complexity is there, to the mother, but I won’t say about efficiency, I haven’t tried it.
              1. 0
                April 4 2022 08: 58
                Good morning. I talk about what I read, even in my youth
                1. +1
                  April 4 2022 09: 28
                  Hello Slava. I agree, without trying a thing, it is difficult to judge how it works. smile
  7. +5
    April 3 2022 09: 02
    Silent and not without an unmasking flash, the weapon allows you to shoot with impunity. During the storming of Grozny, I worked in ROSTO, then DOSAAF was called that, after the capture of the city, an order was received from the Central Committee of ROSTO to hand over all the weapons from the clubs for storage to the Ministry of Internal Affairs. During the surrender, I asked the head of the weapons shop why it was so unexpected, he replied that half of the losses of the personnel of our troops were from TOZ small things. It turned out that this terrible weapon was in capable hands. Shooting from houses is easily MUFFLED by the sound of traffic, and the FLASH is not visible even at night. It is very difficult to identify the shooter. The distance of aimed shooting is not less than the distance between multi-storey buildings, as well as from roads to houses.
  8. +4
    April 3 2022 09: 08
    I think the author will be surprised, but in addition to attaching the "silencer" to the weapon with a threaded connection, there is also a collet, though less reliable. And I did not see in the article any mention of such an important part of the "muffler" as the obturator.
    1. +1
      April 4 2022 20: 02
      Why? For some reason, the Author labels them with napkins made of plastic and neoprene. He just doesn't know what it means. wassat
  9. +1
    April 3 2022 09: 51
    We should start with the fact that devices that reduce the volume of a shot have been talked about for a very long time. For example, Sytin's Military Encyclopedia wrote about them in 1911.

    In 1911, they did not talk about silencers, they were already mass-produced. A drawing from the article "Silent Guns" ("Sytin's Military Encyclopedia" - these are drawings from the patent application Hiram Percy Maxim (the son of the same Hiram Stevens Maxim), the production of this "device" was started in 1909.
  10. +1
    April 3 2022 10: 17
    So all the same suppressor or silencer? what
  11. +4
    April 3 2022 10: 53
    In 2019, the United States put forward a requirement for a silencer that could withstand the firing of a belt of 600 rounds of an M240 machine gun.

    In 1999, we developed the AEK-999 "Badger" machine gun with a low-noise firing device (PMS).
    https://topwar.ru/10326-holodnee-i-tochnee-pulemet-aek-999-barsuk.html?
  12. +1
    April 3 2022 11: 23
    at the same time, it exits at a significantly lower speed and produces less noise.
    The main unmasking sign of a shot are:
    1) burnout of gunpowder after the bullet exits the bore
    2) muzzle shock wave (shot sound)
    3) ballistic shock wave (only at supersonic bullet speed)
    Shock waves are eliminated by reducing the speed of the bullet to subsonic (in this case, you have to increase the caliber so as not to reduce the energy of the bullet) and reducing the speed of the outflow from the barrel to subsonic, which is achieved by the expansion chamber. The problem of gunpowder burnout and elimination of shock waves can be completely solved only with the use of ammunition with a cut-off of combustion products, which is implemented in systems where combustion products are simply not allowed to flow out of the barrel, remaining in the spent cartridge case.
    1. +2
      April 5 2022 03: 06
      Quote: Aviator_
      The main unmasking sign of a shot are:
      1) burnout of gunpowder after the bullet exits the bore
      2) muzzle shock wave (shot sound)
      3) ballistic shock wave (only at supersonic bullet speed)

      And what about the sounds of movement of moving parts during the operation of weapons? In the same VSSs, it seems like they fought not only with the sound of a shot, but also with a clang, although, of course, it is impossible to completely defeat it.
      Quote: Aviator_
      Shock waves are eliminated by reducing the speed of the bullet to subsonic (in this case, you have to increase the caliber so as not to reduce the energy of the bullet) and reducing the speed of the outflow from the barrel to subsonic, which is achieved by the expansion chamber.

      Not entirely correct: if you increase the caliber and the entire cartridge proportionally, then the mass of gunpowder will also increase. It is the ratio of the mass of the bullet and the charge that is increased. Cartridges 7,62x39 and 9x39 have the same sleeve, but a subsonic cartridge could be obtained without increasing the initial dimensions of the bullet, replacing lead with, say, some tungsten - it would be cool, but expensive. Or they still go to reduce the energy of the bullet, reducing the charge. Or by combining both methods: a heavier bullet and a smaller charge. This is normal for those cases where the use of a silencer is more of an option than a constant practice: 9-10 mm pistols, PP.
  13. +4
    April 3 2022 12: 05
    but both the abbreviation PBBS and the set of words “silent firing and flameless firing device” cannot be compared in terms of information content with the word “suppressor”
    And why is the word "silencer" less informative? What did the term bring to the essence of "stray"? The sound is extinguished. The flame is extinguished. Recoil extinguishes.
    1. 0
      April 3 2022 19: 03
      Quote: Monar
      And why is the word "silencer" less informative? What did the term bring to the essence of "stray"? The sound is extinguished. The flame is extinguished. Recoil extinguishes.

      There is no information and never will be. According to the performance characteristics, the suppressor is designed to reduce the sound of a shot, reduce barrel vibration after a shot, and comfortable bullet release from rifling. If the latter is primary, then the word "moderator" is used in the foreign press.
      According to the number of Ditsibel, the device for the 7,62 machine gun described by Vyacheslav is PMS, not PBS.
  14. 0
    April 3 2022 12: 54
    Quote: author
    ... the main task is still to combat the excessive volume of the shot.

    The "main task" has long been solved by active headphones, for example, from KB Priboi.
    And for the knights of the cloak and dagger - the PSS-2 pistol, because. with headphones (and a muffler sticking out from behind the belt) they are not comme il faut.
    This does not apply to PB, of course)))
  15. +1
    April 3 2022 15: 08
    Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka

    For example, the word "ax", at first glance, a truly Russian word - mentioned in the Tale of Bygone Years and in many other sources. Ah, no - it turns out to be of Iranian origin.

    And where did you get the idea that it was we who borrowed from the Iranians, and not they from us?
  16. +3
    April 3 2022 15: 47
    There is even a suppressor designed for use with the incredibly powerful .50 caliber cartridge. This is a truly amazing design at 20 inches long and 3 inches in diameter!
    This "slightly" more.
    1. +1
      April 3 2022 17: 59
      Germans! :) Who about what, and the Germans about it.
      1. +1
        April 3 2022 18: 51
        According to the "legend" a town was built there near the landfill. Well, or a landfill near the town. I do not know for sure. Well, the residents complained about the noise. I had to make a trick. :)
        1. +1
          April 3 2022 19: 30
          I don’t know, I would have done it easier and not so pretentious.
          1. +1
            April 3 2022 20: 49
            There is a bit of pomp. In terms of camouflage. Especially against the background of a blue-gray and white muffler stand. :)
  17. +1
    April 3 2022 16: 16
    Danila Bagrov bungled a disposable silencer from an eggplant.
  18. +1
    April 3 2022 17: 04
    The GK company makes excellent suppressors for civilian weapons
    Including civilian version of VSS Vintorez
    Details are on Guns.ru
    1. +1
      April 3 2022 18: 05
      The cunning geometry of the curved baffles of the "cobalt alloy suppressor" and both are due to the design fantasies of marketing, the same effect will be in a muffler with simpler baffle shapes. of steel.
      1. +1
        April 3 2022 19: 07
        Quote: agond
        The cunning geometry of the curved baffles of the "cobalt alloy suppressor" and both are due to the design fantasies of marketing, the same effect will be in a muffler with simpler baffle shapes. of steel.

        Cypress, one of the low-noise PPs, uses washers. But he is inferior to Val and Vintorez with integrated PBBS.
  19. 0
    April 3 2022 18: 18
    Do not disgrace yourself, you must love your terminology. The West is superior in quantity, but not in quality. This is justified only if something is being exported.
  20. 0
    April 3 2022 19: 41
    Where there is a PC with a 3D model, there is like a measuring "microscope", and in the photo of the workshop the equipment is the most common, the Haas are basically, it's like Renault Logan among cars, quite high quality, not very expensive, but not a Mercedes Vario and not even a Ford transit not to mention the mail copter...
    But on the other hand, I did not see any particular complexity in the design, it is quite possible to do it at almost any machine-building enterprise. Well, the material in processing is unpleasant, the tool and modes will have to be selected. The main thing seems to be in the sizes and shapes of the cameras.

    The very best mufflers, like titanium, are printed. On the one hand, expensive technologists, on the other hand, no waste (chips) and problems with processing (titanium is also "not sugar"), and the shape of the chambers can be made optimal without adjustments for the possibility of machining.
  21. 0
    April 3 2022 20: 22
    Thanks! Informative!
  22. +1
    April 3 2022 20: 50
    For some reason, the author did not mention that all Browning-locking pistols can only work normally with a silencer that has a barrel freewheel compensator. Aka Nielsen Device.
    1. +1
      April 4 2022 09: 56
      Any turner can sharpen the washers, install them in the tube (at the required intervals) and end up with a silencer, if the edges of the holes in the washers are left sharp, then this will reduce the speed of the flow of powder gases through them when fired, if microburrs are formed on the edges of the washers facing the barrel ( by analogy with the one that is done on the cycle), then the speed of passing through the hole will slow down even more, all this can be done without resorting to 3D printing. by the way, in the "suppressor" the edges of the holes seem to be a little blunted
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    April 8 2022 17: 38
    suppressor - limiter, suppressor, muffler. There is PBS - a silent firing device, colloquially a silencer and PMS - a low-noise firing device, used, as a rule, for firing supersonic cartridges. According to the principle of operation, there are 2 types: using the principle of braking and cooling the outflowing powder gases, or the principle of interference, when the acoustic signal flowing and reflected from the partitions inside the device cancel each other out. Any muffler more or less effectively performs the functions of a flame arrester and diesel fuel. I want to note that there is a GOST for terms for small arms and an English Russian dictionary for the same terms. It is much more useful to study these documents, and not litter the Russian language with suppressors, receivers. Even the trigger is called a hammer, but because it's a hammer. Here.
  24. 0
    April 11 2022 13: 28
    A traditional pistol silencer looks like this...

    Yeah, airsoft, and under it - an elongated barrel! Have you at least picked up a photo with a real pistol with PBS, are there few of them in the vastness of the network ???
  25. 0
    24 May 2022 12: 39
    Looking at the design of all these silencers, they are also suppressors (of course, the author did not bother to give the meaning of the term suppressor, namely, a suppressor), one cannot help but laugh. However, the article...
    In general, to achieve the announced goal - suppressing the sound of a shot, it is not necessary to cool the powder gases. You can do this too, but this is the tenth thing) To suppress the sound, you need to suddenly engage in sound. That is, it is necessary to break the front of the pressure wave emanating from the muzzle, which is generated by the release of powder gases and the bullet's departure. By the way, this is not the same wave, but different, apparently, no one even tried to take this into account.
    For attempts (obviously unsuccessful everywhere) to reduce this wave, all manufacturers of silencers (or suppressors, if the author has nothing to do) use various kinds of chambers in their tubes. A strange and dubious, but terribly popular idea for some reason. In fact, there is a silencer that is far superior to all these weird things. It is produced in billions of copies everywhere, but you will not find it at gun shows). I think many people know what I'm talking about.
    These are coarse automobile fuel filters) Crossed steel meshes with different cell sections work many times better than this entire cabinet of curiosities, yielding, and even then only slightly, obturator systems (the author described them, but does not know the term). Such a silencer significantly slows down the powder gases, which already gives a good effect, reducing the pressure drop in the wave front. Plus, a single gas emission is "stretched" due to the fact that different gratings slow down the gas in different ways, creating, so to speak, density waves that cancel each other out.
    In general, a lot of marketing efforts are visible. But it is almost imperceptible that the manufacturers of all these tubes would be engaged in the hydrodynamics of the process. Otherwise... However, that's another story.
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      26 June 2022 20: 20
      Can you tell me more about the fuel filter....?
      1. 0
        26 June 2022 20: 32
        Look for videos online. The Americans have probably taken hundreds of them already)
    2. 0
      31 July 2022 14: 41
      Mikhail, excuse me, but for a silencer there is a requirement for subsonic bullet speed, otherwise it is also a suppressor. Silent weapons are very difficult, especially for a low-pulse automatic cartridge. Due to the caliber, it is difficult to make sufficiently lethal subsonic bullets, the mass is small ...
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        1 August 2022 09: 07
        And where did you find in my texts that I do not know this alphabet? Obscure and unnecessary terms are invented by bespectacled nerds not in order to facilitate understanding, but in order to impress with their confusing speeches "not for average minds". This is me as a bespectacled nerd (weighing, though, more than 100 kg with a height of 190) I say)
        You like to play suppressors, but for God's sake. Whatever the child amuses, as long as it does not hang itself. Silent firearms do not exist, so they are very simple. So there are low-noise devices for solving a certain class of problems. And their application is not easy. But most of the crap cited in the article is non-functional, does not contribute to the solution of a combat mission, and is intended mainly for pulling dough from government agencies, with the assistance of corrupt officials from these structures, and pulling it out of the pockets of civilian suckers. That's why these things are so pretentious, and their authors insist on suppressors, compressors and magpressors. So beautiful...
        A smart civilian, when solving his problems, uses a jar with a package of grids, and will immediately achieve much better results than with all these suppressors for a bag of dough)
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          1 August 2022 09: 19
          You do understand that the grid is very difficult to clean? Therefore, now they are trying to make separators that work on swirling gas flows and their mutual damping. And no one canceled the issue of overheating. And to the question of the existence of silent ones, I personally shot from a delisle from the times of WWII, which is low-noise, completely silent, you can only hear how the striker hits the capsule and that's it, but the caliber is 45 acp
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            2 August 2022 07: 54
            Do you understand that it is easier to throw out a penny filter?) And if you wish, if it is dear to you as a memory, you can make the case detachable (half an hour of work for skilled hands, and clean it by washing it in solvent, gasoline, or just like that - with a brush with a long pile. In the direction of the shot, your "lizle" is not completely silent, I assure you)
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              2 August 2022 08: 23
              Okay, everything is clear about handicrafts, I actually talked about army models, which are not always possible to wash in a solvent with a brush, but if you think that the muffler does not need to be improved, this is your right
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                3 August 2022 13: 08
                Firstly, not to improve, but to wind up stupid tricks that, to put it mildly, do not increase efficiency. For a pentalion of rubles from the bottomless treasury. Secondly, to splash about fifty grams of gasoline or solvent, and chat in this bag of nets - is it difficult ?! What are you talking about?
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  27. 0
    31 July 2022 14: 34
    Vyacheslav Olegovich, what are you, PBS and suppressor are completely different devices. No, they both jam and extinguish the flash, but they are different. The suppressor increases convenience and slightly reduces the visibility of the shooter, but the pbbs almost completely eliminates the unmasking factors of the shot (with a subsonic cartridge, of course) they are of a similar design but for different purposes request