Tests of new weapons and new equipment

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In connection with the State program for the rearmament of the Russian army currently under way, in recent months a large number of news about the plans of the Ministry of Defense. At the same time, almost all such messages were accompanied by questions like “and when will we learn not only about the plans, but also about their implementation?”. The other day, official sources received information that gives hope for the imminent appearance of optimistic news about the start of mass production of new systems. Such optimistic news is connected with two sensational projects: this is the soldier’s combat equipment (BES) “Warrior” and the ORSIS T-5000 sniper rifle.

(Photo http://twower.livejournal.com)


The first mention of the development of equipment for the soldiers "Warrior" appeared a few years ago, but embodied in the metal, textiles and plastics kit was presented only last year at the exhibition MAKS-2011. Now it became known that several copies of the new BES had been received by the 27-th separate motorized rifle brigade. According to the representative of the Ministry of Defense, Lieutenant Colonel N. Donyushkin, the military units began to fully operate the complex in the conditions of the Alabino test site. The purpose of the current tests of the “warrior” is to check the characteristics of various systems and identify their shortcomings. After testing and fine-tuning elements of the BES we should expect state tests. If they succeed, it will be possible to talk about the adoption of equipment for service.

The specific composition of the complex "Warrior" has not yet been named. Official information on this subject was limited to general formulations. Thus, the fighter’s BAT, communications and navigation equipment, the so-called life support system as well weapon. Specific types of equipment in official sources have not yet been listed, which, however, did not prevent the amateurs of military affairs from attempting to “identify” elements of the BES from the photographs presented.

First of all, the characteristic fact catches the eye: “Warrior” is not a single complex, made on a general basis, but several separated units and assemblies. Among other things, this can lead to a low ease of use, because the soldier will have to spend time putting on all the pieces of equipment. Nevertheless, the BES developers did not forget about the “end user” and took a number of measures. Judging by the photos available, the armor of the “Warrior” is connected to the unloading system and pouches. Also from the photos we can conclude about the modular design of body armor. The main vest can be attached to the inguinal and shoulder pads, as well as a separate part to protect the fighter's neck. Such an approach to the creation of soldier’s means of protection is not something new, but its use in a promising domestic BES is undoubtedly interesting and promising.

The second element of armor in the "Warrior" - a helmet. Members of the Internet Forum "Power of Russia" (aka Otvaga2004) learned in it 6B7-1MM. According to the trends of recent years, the metal structure of this protective headgear is covered on top by a camouflage fabric cover to match the color of other uniforms. In front of the helmet has a mount for a night vision device and other similar equipment. It is noteworthy that an unused fastener can be closed with a corresponding part of a fabric cover. Together with the helmet, the fighters in the photographs wear large splinterproof glasses. It is noteworthy that the cover for them, which is necessary in some cases, including in combat, is also transferred on the helmet, being strapped to it with a belt of glasses. Finally, the headset part of the BES includes a headset with active headphones and a microphone to communicate with the soldiers of its unit. Regarding the type of radio station to which the headset is connected, there is no information.

As a matter of fact, the issue is not only the type of radio station worn by the fighter. According to Donyushkin, the BES Ratnik, together with the walkie-talkie, includes navigation, identification and information processing tools. There are no moments or “clues” on the existing photos, according to which it would be possible to determine the specific type of one or another element of the BES electronics or even its composition. Most likely, each fighter along with the “Warrior” will receive a radio station with a small radius of action to communicate with its unit, GLONASS / GPS-navigator and, probably, some kind of computing device. Perhaps the squad leaders will even rely on a secured laptop with the appropriate set of software. However, this is only a version built on logic and observation of foreign equipment projects. In this logic, fit and light protection, designed to prevent small but unpleasant injuries. Over the standard camouflage uniforms, the soldiers in the photo wear knee pads and elbow pads made of plastic. In appearance, a trifle. But in practice, this small detail will help avoid a lot of bad situations.

As for the weapons that will be included in the equipment, in this regard it remains only to build versions. The fact is that the program of creating new small arms for the Russian army is separate and therefore it is unlikely that the modernized SVD rifle and the so-called Kalashnikov assault rifle captured in the photographs are unlikely. hundredth series guaranteed to become part of the complex "Warrior". However, in this form the arming of fighters in the photo is of some interest. So, on the updated Dragunov sniper rifle a new adjustable butt is installed. Judging by its appearance, the shooter can customize both the length of this unit and the height of the pillow under the cheek. And all this is done with the help of its own details of the design of the stock. For a number of reasons, such ergonomic developments have not yet been received by our army in large numbers. Also worth noting is the PT3 rifle scope and its mounting system. Unlike the old PSO-1, it is not mounted on the side mount of the rifle, but on the Picatinny rail located on the receiver cover. In the hands of the soldier-submachine gun in the existing photographs, supposedly, the AK-107 machine gun with balanced mechanics was captured. The cover of the receiver of this machine is also equipped with a Picatinny rail, on which the Krechet collimator sight is mounted. Interesting and machine shop. From its large thickness, we can conclude about trial operation in the troops of the new four-row magazine for 60 cartridges. The existence of such developments for the first time became known a little over a year ago.

Meanwhile, Deputy Prime Minister D. Rogozin of September 24 made a reservation about some small arms projects developed by private enterprises. According to the official, at present, there is one type of new pistol and two sniper rifles at the state tests. Regarding the type of gun mentioned above, there is no exact information. This is probably the "Swift", which caused in its time a wave of discussions. But in relation to sniper rifles data has already appeared. Military journalist D. Mokrushin in his blog shared good news regarding these rifles. In a conversation with a journalist, a representative of the ORSIS plant said that their T-5000 rifle was already in state trials. Moreover, two options are presented at once, for the .308 Win (7,62х51 mm of NATO) and .338 Lapua Magnum (8,6х70 mm) cartridges. According to reports, rifles are tested in conjunction with optical sights and night vision devices of domestic production, produced by the company "Daedal".

Unfortunately, there is even less information regarding the course or timing of testing the T-5000 sniper rifles than about the “Warrior”. Therefore, the results of state tests can only guess. Of course, I want the domestic product to go to the troops and “protect” Russian snipers from spending extra on foreign weapons. At the same time, the wishes of the Ministry of Defense regarding the required sniper rifle are still unknown. At the same time, the very fact of state tests may transparently hint at the development of requirements already completed. However, all the information about the state tests of T-5000 has so far been limited to statements by two officials, from the government and the ORSIS company.

The latest news regarding the testing of new weapons and combat equipment looks quite optimistic. Including for the reason that, in contrast to the news of the plans, they imply bringing the programs, at least, to the testing stage in practice. Of course, between testing and full supply should take some time and some effort will be spent. Nevertheless, the creation of a soldier’s new combat equipment and the renewal of the small arms nomenclature are worth these costs and expectations.


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  1. +3
    29 September 2012 11: 33
    Steel helmet ??? along the way, it's time to get out because of the computer, otherwise the bugs ...
  2. +9
    29 September 2012 12: 00
    Send a hundred sets to Iran or Syria, let them check in combat conditions! It is possible for free, but with a report on the advantages and disadvantages ...
    1. +5
      29 September 2012 17: 05
      NOT! minicomputers with all means of communication are used in this outfit and as a result ALL Ciphers, electronic filling must not be allowed to fall into the wrong hands!
      1. +3
        30 September 2012 13: 19
        It is not ciphers that are important, but the keys to them. The rest is just iron. If a signalman, you will understand.
      2. 0
        1 October 2012 14: 06
        Ciphers and keys are easily changed!
  3. Tjumenec72
    +6
    29 September 2012 12: 06
    ... on the subject of trunks, here's an interesting upgrade)


    The author did not upload all the photos, but there is something to see ...
    here is the link http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?99988-Russian-Photos-(update
    d-on-regular-basis) / page3482
    1. PLO
      0
      29 September 2012 12: 14
      is this not Pecheneg 2?
      1. Mr. Truth
        0
        29 September 2012 12: 26
        PLO,
        No, this is a manual remake.
    2. Alexey Prikazchikov
      +1
      29 September 2012 12: 25
      This is a Zenit upgrade.
    3. 0
      29 September 2012 12: 34
      A bullpup machine gun is interesting. The question arises - how convenient is the power system, the tape is fed at an angle. It would be interesting to read a detailed description of the device and application
      1. Kir
        -1
        29 September 2012 19: 02
        I looked and did not notice, maybe highlight where you saw the "booble-dad", in front of the front handle something is not visible, neither the bracket nor anything like that.
        1. +2
          29 September 2012 19: 14
          And how does the bracket under the front guide handle relate to bullp pap?
          1. Kir
            0
            29 September 2012 21: 30
            I was not too lazy to look at the store behind the trigger, but here it is, please indicate.
            1. +4
              29 September 2012 21: 54
              Respected. Zinc with ammo - not a store. It's good that you can read Wikipedia, but bullpup is primarily characterized by a movement of the mechanism to the back. And now, if you pay attention, do not tell me where is the receiver of this shortened machine gun?
              1. Kir
                +1
                30 September 2012 01: 12
                Thank you, I didn’t notice the Elephant!
    4. Tjumenec72
      +3
      29 September 2012 14: 25

      So to speak in the appendage
    5. 0
      29 September 2012 22: 23
      Kaifovo, similar to the M60 in terms of layout. Only here are two questions: 1) is it convenient to reload it in battle? After all, you will have to make many gestures, and this unmasks and forces you to change your position in the shelter. 2) and where is the tape attached? Or in the photo, the machine gun with the attached box is shown? fellow
      1. Tjumenec72
        +5
        29 September 2012 23: 41
        Since the public is interested)


        see here)
        FSB special forces testing samples of the Pecheneg machine gun, assembled according to the bulpup scheme

        http://tverdyi-znak.livejournal.com/1072663.html
        1. Brother Sarych
          -1
          30 September 2012 11: 45
          Still, this is some kind of perversion - this unit cannot work normally ...
          1. Tjumenec72
            +2
            30 September 2012 12: 17
            the end consumer knows better
            1. +3
              30 September 2012 13: 38
              Well, in principle, there should be no problems, the center of gravity is conveniently located, the tape is fed normally, the "bullpup" scheme has been worked out for a long time, its only drawback is a long stroke, that is, it does not work immediately, this is a tangible drawback for sniper rifles, but the machine gun, in my opinion, does not care. I just see one oddity, it is controversial, of course, but nevertheless, the "native" pistol grip is in its place (where it is on the control panel), it would probably interfere with me. Now, if you make it removable so that in field conditions, it does not interfere in any way, but in urban areas or when used with a turret, it could be put in place, it would be very good. But again, this is purely my personal opinion.
              In my opinion, the idea is great fellow
          2. 0
            30 September 2012 13: 34
            Well, in principle, there should be no problems, the center of gravity is conveniently located, the tape is fed normally, the "bullpup" scheme has been worked out for a long time, its only drawback is a long stroke, that is, it does not work immediately, this is a tangible drawback for sniper rifles, but the machine gun, in my opinion, does not care. I just see one oddity, it is controversial, of course, but nevertheless, the "native" pistol grip is in its place (where it is on the control panel), it would interfere with me. But this, again, is a purely personal opinion. In my opinion, the idea is great fellow
      2. +1
        30 September 2012 13: 40
        Question per million, and who put me minus?
        I am purely curious that I said this, that they gave me a sign for this comment that the comment is bad. fellow
        1. +1
          30 September 2012 15: 48
          I think these are Good people. They run around here sometimes. Give cons. Is free
          1. 0
            1 October 2012 22: 31
            Quote: Pimply
            I think these are Good people. They run around here sometimes. Give cons. Is free

            Kind people (with gray epaulets) probably should not have the right to spoil ratings for normal people ...
    6. -1
      30 September 2012 20: 13
      With an unarmed gaze, it is clear that the profile of the lying arrow will be overstated. And judging by the photo below, overpriced is simply unacceptable. So the ratsukha dump.
      1. Hon
        0
        1 October 2012 16: 01
        There, the butt is retractable and the handle with the trigger is duplicated, when shooting while lying down the butt is extended and the fire can be fired as from a regular machine gun.
    7. +2
      30 September 2012 20: 40
      Tjumenec72 thanks for the link! Pleased! We would have such equipment in 1979 ... recourse
  4. Mr. Truth
    +1
    29 September 2012 12: 25
    The kit that is in the photo is certainly not complete, until the tests of the complete kit are completed, another two and a half years. But the directions are very correct, both in equipment and electronics. "Permyachka" is good, even to protect the face.
  5. +1
    29 September 2012 13: 19
    As far as I understand, "Ratnik" is not a specific product, but rather a tender (Tender (English tender) is a competitive form of selection of proposals for the supply of goods, provision of services or performance of work according to conditions previously announced in the documentation, within the agreed time frame on the principles competition ...) for which the developers of different companies prepared their products and from which they will then choose BES. For example, there were several developments with "Abakan" in the competition, and An 94 won. In fact, many very interesting and promising samples were presented for testing Well, if they bring this idea to a reasonable conclusion, then everyone will benefit, and first of all our soldiers.
    1. Mr. Truth
      0
      29 September 2012 13: 39
      denkastro,
      This is Experimental Design Work, money from the budget, your proposals or improvements on an initiative basis.
  6. Raven
    -5
    29 September 2012 13: 58
    your army’s camouflage is still the same, at least it’s necessary to copyright
  7. Dima
    +4
    29 September 2012 15: 27
    And your ..? !! That Russia only then takes Belarus for themselves!
    1. Raven
      -1
      30 September 2012 11: 59
      Do we have oil, gas, resources, money, production capacities? And in the photo of the soldiers, there’s a direct find for a sniper.
      1. Hon
        +2
        1 October 2012 16: 09
        A soldier in ordinary equipment. In the Belarusian army are invisible soldiers?
  8. +2
    29 September 2012 15: 57
    On the photo ... I'm sorry, the walking sniper’s growth target. One can see glasses for a couple of kame, hands without gloves ... an advertisement for the next nonsense of the bureaucrats of the Ministry of Defense.
    1. Hon
      +1
      1 October 2012 16: 06
      glasses with anti-reflective coating, are used by almost all armies of the world, the soldier was clearly not disguised just a test of the combined arms kit. By the way, when a bunch of any tinsel flies capable of knocking out eyes, such glasses are an irreplaceable thing.
  9. Director
    0
    29 September 2012 16: 37
    Cheto little Che I understood from the article and there would be more pictures.
  10. +1
    29 September 2012 16: 56
    judging by the photo, the outfit looks like a jumpsuit, which means you’ll get under the incendiary weapon (napalm) until you take it off: after a course of degassing or decontamination, you remain in your underpants and shirt; in case of damage, the entire set is lost (burned, torn, cuts when injured ): to go according to natural necessities you take off all the equipment (in all cases you are a bare target) + to all the difficult ventilation of the body ........ thanks to my dear mine; the whole world has long ago come to separate uniforms.
    1. +3
      29 September 2012 17: 04
      Quote: hert
      you’ll get under the incendiary weapon (napalm), while removing it you’ll burn:

      I didn’t know that after getting under napalm you can still remove your clothes so as not to burn =)
      t burning napalm remember. =)
      1. +2
        30 September 2012 00: 36
        From the memory of the Soviet army. The gymnast burns to the body 1-2 seconds, PN - 3-6 seconds, overcoat 10-15. In any case, there is time to throw off burning rags. But the jumpsuit removed in a couple of seconds ... yes ... the problem.
        1. +1
          30 September 2012 11: 44
          If napalm is not taken into account, then simply .... it will not work fast either, and if it does, then the straps are definitely in g ... but they will fall. Walk the soldier, smell then sweat under your nose and fear more. wink
        2. 0
          30 September 2012 14: 33
          From the memory of the Soviet army. The gymnast burns to the body 1-2 seconds, PN - 3-6 seconds, overcoat 10-15. In any case, there is time to throw off burning rags. But the jumpsuit removed in a couple of seconds ... yes ... the problem.

          I served in the USSR. Honestly, I don’t remember anything about napalm. Although, of course, PV is not a CA. Another was taught.

          And yet it is strange to me. =) The burning temperature of the most simple, ancient napalm = 800С. Supernapalm burning temperature (with inorganic oxidizing agents) = 1600С.
          The slags of such napalm burn through the armor. 10-15 sec. The greatcoat burns out, speak? =) Although, who knows. I have not seen the napalm burn. But still, the temperature is not for children.

          Well, that’s true, it’s not relevant, of course. Just funny.

          In the photo, it’s not like a jumpsuit, by the way, as we are used to. And on your feet, along your hips - do you see the tricks? I wonder what that is.
          And, it seems, these tacky ones are coming from the neck.
          1. 0
            30 September 2012 15: 48
            Not only is aflame burning, dear
          2. Hon
            +1
            1 October 2012 16: 23
            it’s not stuck, it’s a windproof zipper valve, there is an ingenious system of locks and zippers, for convenience.
        3. Hon
          0
          1 October 2012 16: 16
          The perm is made of aramid material that protects the soldier from fire, and when burning napalm nothing will save, any clothes can be removed only with the skin.
      2. Brother Sarych
        0
        30 September 2012 11: 51
        In addition to napalm, there is still much fuel that can get on a person - guaranteed no one will have time to settle in such vestments ...
        And about the need to cope - maybe we don’t see the zipper in the back or the detachable valve? Then this rear fighter will not show anyone ...
        1. Hon
          0
          1 October 2012 16: 25
          the suit is made of very durable non-combustible material, which will just give the soldier a head start on salvation.
    2. Hon
      +1
      1 October 2012 16: 18
      Firemen in overalls go. In permyak various valves for ventilation are provided. And when attacked by a napalm, it is still impossible to escape in any clothing.
  11. 0
    29 September 2012 17: 44
    Is the helmet really metal? smile
    1. Darck
      +1
      29 September 2012 19: 36
      And when this equipment will be accepted, does anyone know? And so much they say and they say, but to no avail.
      Is the helmet really metal?

      No aramid fiber, this helmet weighs 1 kg.
      1. +1
        29 September 2012 19: 37
        I joked 8)
  12. bask
    0
    29 September 2012 18: 32
    In the photo there is a fighter with a SVD shkoy. I think the helmet is not metal. By the way Pupyrchaty as on the topic. From the SVD to make an assault rifle with cal. 5.45 mm. As an idea. According to the scheme of Bulpal.
    1. Brother Sarych
      0
      29 September 2012 18: 40
      Isn't it easier to remake from PM or from Nagan in general? So, the SVD was intended for a little and for other purposes and specifically made just that ...
      1. +1
        29 September 2012 19: 25
        Life does not stand still
    2. +1
      29 September 2012 19: 24
      I don’t see much point. This is not a machine gunner who is forced to carry a large number of rounds and who needs light weight - he will get his rate of fire. A sniper needs a long range. On the other hand, if something like the American multi-level sniping model is introduced, the little thing can be quite good, if there are suitable cartridges and an increase in the number of Marxmen in platoons. The serious minus is that the modifications made by the bullpups, according to a number of reviews, are not very good.
    3. +3
      30 September 2012 15: 25
      bask Yesterday, 18: 32
      In the photo there is a fighter with a SVD shkoy. I think the helmet is not metal. By the way Pupyrchaty as on the topic. From the SVD to make an assault rifle with cal. 5.45 mm. As an idea. According to the scheme of Bulpal.
      Since the 90s, the Ministry of Internal Affairs has been armed with the SVD according to the bullpup scheme:
      automatic SVU-AC with bipod

      In general, the SVD-bullpup was developed back in the distant 70s:
      IED

      The only thing is that the bullpup scheme is more convenient for police officers, while the traditional scheme is more convenient for soldiers
      1. +1
        30 September 2012 15: 49
        I read at Cardin that they didn’t really like her
        1. 0
          30 September 2012 22: 44
          it was further developed in accordance with the claims
    4. Hon
      0
      1 October 2012 16: 26
      Quote: bask
      From the SVD make an assault rifle with cal. 5.45

      What the hell?
  13. bask
    +1
    29 September 2012 18: 48
    Do not exaggerate Bro Sarych such a rifle was already created for the MVD of the Ministry of Internal Affairs in 2010, with a shortened barrel. Caliber 7.62mm
  14. bask
    0
    29 September 2012 19: 35
    Yes, the question is. With what caliber should a multilevel system begin. With cal. 14mm, 12.7mm., 20mm.
    1. +2
      29 September 2012 19: 38
      Obviously - with 5.45, with the installation of normal sights on the AK-74.
      1. 0
        30 September 2012 14: 04
        Already have new AK with Picatinny rail
        1. black_eagle
          0
          1 October 2012 15: 24
          Damn for updating the interface, so much dough will be sawn that way! The machine does NOT CHANGE !!! The question is whether domestic QUALITATIVE and not dimensional as we know how, auxiliary systems such as sights, lights, target indicators, etc. are being developed, and what is the use of the sight if the second bullet flies the hell !!!
          1. Hon
            +1
            1 October 2012 16: 44
            Yes, including very good NVDs.
            1. black_eagle
              0
              1 October 2012 17: 07
              more specifically about NVD, preferably your comment or reference
              1. Hon
                +1
                2 October 2012 12: 52
                There are several domestic enterprises producing and developing NVD. in general, their products are not much different from those already created earlier, but at one of these enterprises the 3rd generation NVD with a digital system was created, even the leading world manufacturers have such analog devices. I tried to find a link but in the net about this device there is no information, I learned about it purely by accident. In any case, digital will soon be created abroad, but the fact is that our young enterprises in this direction were the first.
      2. Hon
        +1
        1 October 2012 16: 42
        better than 6,5X38 "grendel" the most promising ammunition for assault rifles is not today. In Russia, the production of this ammunition has already been established. By the way, the union developed a machine gun for a 6 mm cartridge, only sleeve 49. But the 91st year has come ...
  15. bask
    0
    29 September 2012 19: 42
    Then how to end.? On sights, I think a separate topic.
    1. +2
      29 September 2012 19: 49
      This is a separate issue. The question is, by and large, not in calibers, but in the distances over which snipers work. Marxmen - up to 200-300 meters on average, sharpshooters - 300-800, etc. The effectiveness of working at distances simply depends on the cartridge and rifle.
  16. bask
    0
    29 September 2012 20: 11
    But all the same, the SVD as an army revolution, we do not take into account the layout of the layout. Is there a future with a 7.62mm caliber? Or in the general enthusiasm to change to ,, manual ,, T500.ORSIS
    1. +1
      29 September 2012 20: 18
      Why not? There are quite. Why not? As part of the platoon, it is very good, especially if the butt and optics are brought to u ma.
    2. black_eagle
      +2
      1 October 2012 15: 29
      SVD is generally not a sniper rifle for its intended purpose, it is an infantry support weapon on the battlefield, such as a machine gun, it was developed as a detachment weapon, and not an individual sniper weapon as we used to imagine it, it should be more or less accurate, rapid-fire, and not fastidious like an automatic machine, to have interchangeable ammunition for the last resort with a machine gun, so that the SVD has a future since the T-5000 in the motorized rifle department does not make
      1. +1
        1 October 2012 16: 04
        I agree.
    3. Hon
      +1
      2 October 2012 12: 59
      SVD is not going anywhere, the problem is that we actually did not have sniper weapons in the army. In all armies, there are analogues of SVD for medium-range operations.
  17. bask
    0
    29 September 2012 20: 45
    With all the modernization, the Ideas of these products, SVD, M16, AK were laid down and implemented in the 40-50s. It is necessary that something structurally new. It meets modern challenges and tactics of battle. These samples are irrevocably outdated.
    1. +1
      29 September 2012 22: 59
      I don’t quite agree. But the fact that one has to go forward is yes
    2. Brother Sarych
      +2
      30 September 2012 11: 48
      But what ideas! And so far nothing has become outdated - no one has any blasters in service ...
  18. Region65
    0
    30 September 2012 05: 54
    it became known that several copies of the new BES arrived at the 27th separate motorized rifle brigade ..... what happiness, several sets :) probably for demobilization? they will go home in them :))))
    1. black_eagle
      0
      1 October 2012 15: 30
      No, most likely they will be tested on contractors, they have more confidence
    2. Hon
      0
      1 October 2012 16: 48
      They entered the test ...
  19. +1
    30 September 2012 11: 05
    Quote: bask
    These samples are irrevocably out of date.

    Is your last name not Serdyukov?

    Helmet glasses are bad. Need a transparent retractable visor. Like hockey players.
    1. 0
      30 September 2012 19: 52
      The visor will not work - the dust will fly from the side. Pleasant not enough.
      1. -1
        30 September 2012 21: 11
        Quote: crambol
        dust will fly sideways


        If riding a war horse? And why are these canned glass in general?
        1. DIMS
          +1
          30 September 2012 21: 17
          Eyes protect. Small fragments, stone chips.
        2. +2
          30 September 2012 23: 05
          Not. This is in normal combat situations. Dust at a close explosion, for example, begins to swirl. And fragments tend to bounce from the bottom up, for example.
        3. black_eagle
          0
          1 October 2012 15: 32
          I look so that soon we will agree that it is necessary to return to service the spear and chain mail
          1. 0
            1 October 2012 16: 04
            It's too technological and complicated, fi
            1. 0
              1 October 2012 21: 41
              I’d like to return the saber, the sample of the XVIII century, because it cuts more powerful than any modern combat knives, machetes and kukri, which are now stamped in the USA and are actively promoted with the help of discovery, YouTube, advertising sites, films and games
              1. +1
                1 October 2012 22: 04
                The checker of Budyonov’s sample of the 1918 year is still in service.
                1. 0
                  4 October 2012 12: 35
                  some believe that the Caucasian saber of the XVIII century. the best melee weapon ever created in the world against an enemy unprotected by armor. The RI checker is not so strong, first of all due to the fact that it was put on the stream and cheapened
              2. Hon
                0
                2 October 2012 09: 07
                Only in the troops no one uses them anyway, so let us leave them for video games.
    2. 0
      30 September 2012 22: 43
      Helmet glasses are bad. Need a transparent retractable visor. Like hockey players.
      The visor can be put on any helmet at the request of the customer, as easy as removing glasses
      1. 0
        30 September 2012 22: 54
        Quote: Sanches
        at the request of the customer


        It seems that neither the desire nor the customer. And just since amers have glasses, then we also need glasses.
        1. +5
          30 September 2012 23: 02
          Why didn’t the glasses please you so much? A visor thing is less convenient. The glasses fit snugly to the face, do not allow swirling dust and small fragments to reach the eyes.
          1. -1
            1 October 2012 13: 07
            Quote: Pimply
            Why didn’t the glasses please you so much?

            Yes, I have a tight drum.
            Here is purely for brain movement:

            Lack of points not inherent to the visor.

            1. The eyeglass frame limits the view.
            2. "Swirling dust" tends to settle on the glass. So in these conditions it is a hindrance.
            3. Tight fit to the face - lack of oxygen in the eyes and skin. As a result - fogging.
            4. If the glass is stained with something untouched, you need to throw this muin from your head.
            With one movement of a hand in a thick glove, without losing visual contact on the target, without jerking his head.
            5. (Philosophical) William Ockham and Heinrich Altshuler. The first says - do not hell to multiply entities unnecessarily.
            The second says - the system is ideal if its function is performed, but the system is not.


            Lack of sliding visor.
            1. If the exterior is taken, there is a greater risk of glass scratching.
            If the visor moves under the helmet, the volume of the helmet increases.
            3. A large plane for glare. But in my opinion, anti-glare coating has not been a problem for a long time, in any case, it costs me at home in photo frames.
            I see no other shortcomings.

            An additional advantage visor:
            1. Protects a large surface of the face.
            2. Does not apply to the face.
            3. Easier than points translates into a fighting position and vice versa.
            4. Does not hang on the strap.
            1. +1
              1 October 2012 13: 40
              Just does not concern the face - a flaw.
              Do not hang on the strap - glasses do not hang too.
              Lack of oxygen - well, well.

              Dear, a visor may be suitable for police actions. But not for fighting. I had to try on both glasses and visor - the latter, in terms of at least some kind of combat comfort, is wildly inconvenient and does not fulfill the tasks stipulated by you.
            2. 0
              1 October 2012 13: 51
              I say, if you want a visor - sell glasses and put a visor, there is no problem with this. There is always a choice between splinterproof glasses and shockproof visor
              1. 0
                1 October 2012 14: 05
                Quote: Sanches
                I say, you want a visor


                I want to name the helmet model with a visor, pls.
                1. 0
                  1 October 2012 21: 28
                  bunta Today, 14: 05
                  I want to name the helmet model with a visor, pls.
                  For example:
                  Armored helmet "SKIF 1M2" is designed to protect the human head from being hit by small arms bullets according to the 1st protection class GOST R 50744-95.

                  SKAT-2DT, an assault helmet, is used for periodic wearing in order to protect the head in class 2 and the face in class 1 (GOST R 50744-95) from small arms bullets.

                  Kiver-4, a bulletproof helmet. Designed to protect a person’s head from firearms, cold piercing and cutting weapons and from shock. An armored helmet provides protection for a person’s head from 9 mm bullets with the steel core of the Stechkin (APS) and Makarov (PM) pistols, as well as from fragments with speeds of 570 m / s. helmet protection area 12,5 sq.dm.

                  There are even such original options:
                  "Mask", helmet. Designed to protect the human head from all kinds of mechanical influences, including blows by various blunt objects, open flames.

                  CMM, a stealth helmet. Provides protection of personnel from radar, thermal imaging and optical detection means by applying a special coating to the helmet.
                  The reflection coefficient is 0,005 ... 0,015 (in the wavelength range of 0,8 ... 11 cm).
                  Has a deforming color, optimized for a range of 300 m.
                  It completely shields the face from thermal imaging detection in the ranges of 3 ... 5 and 8 ... 16 microns.

                  Everything is on sale
                  1. 0
                    1 October 2012 22: 09
                    Mon Respect! good
                    Quote: Sanches
                    Everything is on sale

                    But not in the army.
                    PS And there is no one like me anyway Yes
                    1. Hon
                      +1
                      2 October 2012 09: 00
                      These are purely police options, they are not very convenient for the army and, as mentioned above by our friend from the IDF, they do not protect their eyes about dust and small arms flying from below.
                      1. -1
                        2 October 2012 13: 35
                        Our friend from the IDF still doesn’t blab. wink If only to grow up to Marshal.
                      2. Hon
                        +1
                        2 October 2012 14: 55
                        At the same time, dust and splinters have a place to be, and the visor will not protect against them, in addition, the visor seriously weighs the weight of the helmet, with a sharp turn of the head with the raised visor they give acceleration and the impression is that now the helmet will break your neck, wearing a helmet with a visor is not convenient etc.
            3. Hon
              +3
              1 October 2012 16: 54
              All of the listed deficiencies in glasses are taken into account and eliminated if the glasses are of good quality.
              1. 0
                1 October 2012 22: 49
                Damn, how did this happen?
                Shorter respect for the model. Only the style I need is still missing winked


                Shl a google search for "forces afghanistan photo" shows very well how these glasses are needed.
                1. Hon
                  +1
                  2 October 2012 16: 16
                  http://www.kirasa.ru/img/production/oboron3.jpg
  20. +1
    30 September 2012 13: 46
    The second element of body armor in the “Warrior” is a helmet. Users of the Power of Russia Internet forum (aka Otvaga2004) recognized him as 6B7-1MM. According to the trends of recent years, the metal structure of this protective headgear is covered from above with a cover of camouflage fabric in the color of other uniforms.
    Quote: cth; fyn
    Steel helmet ??? along the way, it's time to get out because of the computer, otherwise the bugs ...

    Helmet made of Rusar fabric woven from aramid threads.
  21. AIvanA
    +1
    30 September 2012 14: 02
    Let there be a new one, the main thing is that in the process of testing the old ones not begin to be destroyed, otherwise we will talk with sworn partners?
  22. plump
    0
    30 September 2012 14: 50
    Everything cannot be foreseen, and the warriors themselves will tear something off, sew on something and alter it. Only the specialists need all this equipment, but what will the conscripts get? Ski goggles, steel helmet, hebe and kirzachi. And about feeding the tape "at an angle ..." This is where the balls really bulge!
  23. sania1304
    0
    30 September 2012 15: 09
  24. 0
    30 September 2012 15: 32
    Strashila, Dear, you can imagine how a modern sniper works. Judging by the comments, it’s from shooters and movies. In fact, every serious sniper has an infrared on him, so any lump that does not hide his body heat will not help anything from the sniper. The soldier’s main weapon is the head. And lumps, body kits and everything else is just a bonus for a smart head and worthless trinkets for tight.
    1. +3
      30 September 2012 15: 51
      Infrared has very few snipers.
      1. DIMS
        0
        30 September 2012 16: 08
        So far few. Everything rests on technology. Weight is energy is value. But these technologies have stepped far forward lately.
  25. 0
    30 September 2012 19: 56
    All this is wonderful. But how is opposition to General Moroz resolved? Nobody has canceled the temperature of -30 in Russia!
    1. Raven
      0
      30 September 2012 20: 14
      and Siberian at -50 too, or are they planning to fight in Africa?
      1. 0
        30 September 2012 20: 18
        At minus 50, they are unlikely to risk it!
    2. +1
      30 September 2012 21: 29
      Offer to test it now? wink
    3. Hon
      0
      2 October 2012 09: 04
      Nobody has also canceled the winter uniform ...
  26. +3
    30 September 2012 22: 45
    There are two types of bullpup systems. With the preservation of the length of the barrel, and hence the initial velocity of the bullet and the range of destruction. And with a shortened barrel. I had to shoot from SVD and IED, and not only at targets. The conclusion is approximately the following: the range of destruction of IEDs is 25-30% less than the SVD. For combat in a city it is not essential, but a shorter barrel greatly increases mobility. It is not for nothing that the SVD was nicknamed the "paddle". In the case of field contact, of course only SVD. The rifle hits much farther and more accurately. Better balance and less recoil. But it is high time to change the optics, frankly weak. And yet, the IED has an integrated silencer / flame arrester. It does not completely extinguish the shot, but reduces the sound / flash to about a pistol one. That allows you not to stand out against the general background of the battle. And that saved the lives of many snipers.
    Bullpup is very promising, but for mass application you need competent engineering solutions. Otherwise, due to the displaced mechanism, the balance point shifts, recoil increases, which means that the spread of bullets increases and accuracy drops sharply. And if shooting is conducted not in a comfortable shooting range, but in a real battle, then this can cost the lives of more than one fighter.
    1. +2
      30 September 2012 23: 09
      Ideally, you need to have a complex for fighting in the city, and a complex for fighting in the open. In principle, it is for this reason that modular designs with the ability to change caliber are being introduced everywhere and increase the number of sights on personal small arms
  27. 0
    30 September 2012 22: 58
    Winter is generally a difficult time for a sniper, and infrared, to be more exact, their absence is not the biggest disaster. Although technology will soon allow creating completely new devices. Therefore, simply painting the everyday in a texture reminiscent of the terrain does not give the desired result either now or in the future. Soon we will see many solutions based on masking, including domestic ones.
  28. +3
    1 October 2012 11: 28
    IMHO The most successful solution at the moment is the Austrian AUG-A3. http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steyr_AUG
    This is not only my opinion, but also the majority of leading weapons experts. I don’t understand why not take this model as a model when creating new weapons for our army? No need to copy, but not to use the world's best developments is also stupid. If you combine such versatility with the fantastic reliability of Kalash !!! It would be another hit. From Russia with love.
    1. black_eagle
      0
      1 October 2012 15: 36
      Well AUG is known for its hype, although you should not forget about the French FAMAS and the English series L85-86
      1. +1
        1 October 2012 19: 26
        Not certainly in that way. AUG was the first NW where several disparate ideas were combined into one complex. The idea of ​​bullpup is 40-50g of the 20th century, removable trunks in general, the beginning of the 20th century. But Steyr engineers were able to put all this together. Moreover, it is very, very combat-ready and very universal. FAMAS and L85 are also good, but they are far from AUG. By the way, there is also an Israeli TAVOR. This is a real competitor to AUG.
        And the question is not who is cooler. The question is, why not use in your developments what has already been done and works great?
  29. Dmitry.V
    0
    1 October 2012 19: 54
    The fact that they are already being tested is something, but the phrase about the steel helmet surprised ... now Kevlar helmets are in "fashion", but I think this is not so significant so far at the testing stage, maybe later they will be replaced all the same.
    I don’t think about composite armor that they will be equipped with a full set of additional protection.
    1. Hon
      +1
      2 October 2012 09: 11
      The helmet is not steel, it is made of aramid material. Kevlar is also a kind of aramid fabric, by the way not the best.
  30. Permski
    +1
    4 October 2012 09: 01
    Safety glasses on a young PAULSON soldier, tactical. With double glass and do not hold anything on the shard. Why not domestic?

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