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Tandem hysterical budget

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Perhaps, for the first time, for the first time, such serious tension has arisen around the country's main financial document for the coming years. Moreover, if before tension was mainly manifested within the walls of the Russian Parliament, today it has manifested itself in the camp of the country's top leadership: in fact, between the president and the government of the Russian Federation.

Tandem hysterical budget


Recall that for the first time in many years, federal ministers were reprimanded not by the chairman of the country's government, who, by law, is the immediate superior of the entire ministerial fraternity, but personally by the president. But if the president publicly speaks out at once to three ministers about the fact that they actually failed to prepare the federal budget in their areas, then it turns out that this kind of criticism also applies to the Russian government’s Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev. After all, if the work of at least three subordinates of the second powerful person in the state is strongly criticized by the first powerful person, then it is obvious that the second person, whether it wants it or not, falls under this criticism. It turns out that for the first time in the whole period of joint work in the power tandem of Vladimir Putin and Dmitry Medvedev, a completely tangible conflict between these politicians has emerged. But no matter how anyone thinks, it cannot be otherwise. Being at such a high political level it is extremely difficult to play the role of the fact that the top leaders of our state have one view on various problems.

Being in the presidential chair, Medvedev often did not hold back and showed that he had a look at different political and economic events with then-Prime Minister Putin, but sometimes his point of view seriously changes. Last year’s resignation of Finance Minister Alexei Kudrin, who, at least outwardly looked like a resignation initiated by Dmitry Medvedev, dealt a certain reputational blow to the then government, and if it was dealt a blow to the government, then, for obvious reasons, Prime Minister Putin was also “something got "in terms of public analysis of the activities of a single minister.

It is difficult to argue about whether the September dressing of three government ministers from President Putin is a kind of revenge a year after Dmitry Medvedev’s “unallowable” activity in terms of control over government actions. Is Putin capable of such kind of revenge at all? .. The question, as they say, is interesting, but the answer to it lies entirely in other planes.

Whatever it was, but in practice we get the fact that Putin himself has to go on the offensive not only against his opponents, but even against his obvious supporters, in order to retain public support. The President understands that in this regard, a certain kind of victims is indispensable. Why? Because Vladimir Putin himself has set himself a very difficult task, which, one way or another, rests on the “fatness” of the federal budget. Some budget expenditures were indirectly or directly identified in the candidate’s election articles. Priorities for regional development were identified: in particular, the need for serious investment in the Far Eastern region. Emphasis was placed on stimulating wage growth for representatives of the public sector in the Russian Federation; on realistic pension reform projects. These tasks were quite tough, and they became even tougher on 7 in May on 2012, when candidate Putin became President Putin. Presidential decrees were issued that regulate the priority areas for financing projects in Russia, and the deadlines were specified - October 1 of this year. President Putin also spoke about this to federal ministers at that memorable meeting.

But all the promises of the president, given to them on the first day of their new term at the presidential post, have passed the target, that is, past the draft federal budget. Naturally, this brought Putin to a completely balanced one. The dressing up to ministers about their work on the layout of the budget for the next three years can be described with one phrase: “Guys, you are setting me up!” And yet this very slang word for the work of at least three ministries now fits perfectly. The Ministry of Regional Development, the Ministry of Labor and the Ministry of Education and Science, apparently decided to just follow the track in Russia: “promise, they promised, time will pass — people will forget.” But this time there was a misfire. In this situation, someone could have forgotten, but because someone is waiting for the next puncture from the government. And as soon as this puncture is allowed, the well-known boiling in the style of “Power to the soap!” Begins immediately. But here the president decided to take a lead. He slightly slapped the three ministers and, indirectly, the prime minister; he even gave a reason to talk about some rough spots in his views in the higher echelons of power, but he managed to prevent the presidential decrees from being pulled up on the brakes.

With this step, Putin made it clear that if goals were set, they should be achieved, and he, at least, would try to do everything to achieve them. Another thing is that the price of achieving these goals may turn out to be too high, but here, as they say, he called himself a load ...

And the bulk of the price to achieve the goals set by Putin today can be judged by the means by which it is necessary to supplement those very budget lines about which the federal ministers have failed. It is reported that the costs of the discussed items were not found at all in the reserves of the government, but in an organization such as the state holding Rosneftegaz. This holding is headed by Igor Sechin. What is called, now you have to "fumble through hidden pockets" ...

And today, many people in Russia are worried even by what means the government, set in a very rigid framework, will be able to patch up the emerging holes, but whether the outlined contradictions between senior state officials will come down to a minimum or lead to quite obvious political conflict with very loud resignations. Arguing about this, one can say that Putin, of course, can demonstrate his political power, but this is clearly not going to benefit him. After all, then the president will violate his own words about the fact that people in the government are professional and they just need to give time to work. Obviously, half a year is difficult to call a long time for work, and therefore it can be assumed that there will be no high-profile resignations, at least in the near future. Errors and miscalculations will correct, and the Ministry of Finance will, nibbling on your elbows, look for options to finance all the designated social projects.
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  1. bairat
    bairat 29 September 2012 09: 23
    +16
    About Gazprom
    Gazprom is a “national treasure” in the service of the pocket of officials and management. Because it is they who hold the shares of the holding and, accordingly, receive huge dividends, which this year went to almost 25% of last year's record profit. In fact, in principle, it is not clear why Russian citizens and the economy need such a state gas monopoly that is sincerely proud of its record profits. Turning a blind eye to the fact that they were obtained not due to modernization of production, improving production and financial and economic efficiency and transparency of the business, but due to parasitization on the budget, chronic tax evasion to budgets of all levels and uncontrolled increase in gas tariffs for the population and industry. But the most surprising thing in this whole situation is that the controlling stake in Gazprom belongs to the state, which is constantly reminded of in every commercial. However, the continuous increase in gas prices by 15-25% for Russian consumers, carried out under the completely far-fetched pretext of the need to equalize domestic and export prices, suggests that Gazprom only recalls its status as a state company and a “national treasure” it's profitable.



    Without the multibillion-dollar tax exemptions and subsidies from the government, Gazprom could become an unprofitable enterprise. Not only that, the Russian authorities provide the holding with enormous tax breaks and subsidies in excess of 20% of the federal budget of Russia (1,7 trillion rubles for mineral extraction tax and 350 billion for export duties on gas export), so they openly take it upon themselves losses and subsidize losses from gas supplies at supposedly non-market prices. Judging by the available data, only last year the Russian government compensated Gazprom $ 14 billion in lost revenue from gas supplies to the domestic market at reduced prices. At the same time, neither government officials, Gazprom management, nor the regulatory authorities have a question why the largest state gas monopoly has the right to develop the world's largest gas fields owned by the state (that is, Russian citizens) (over 35% global reserves) and receiving enormous tax credits and benefits, should generally sell gas to domestic consumers at market, global prices or strive for this.


    I consider the dismissal of three ministers to be a show of dust. Who are these ministers - silent cogs and powerless. They gave them a pendal and left in silence. Of course, their silence will be appreciated, they will be given some kind of "warm" position in the same Gazprom.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 29 September 2012 09: 44
      +5
      And how much private consumers pay for gas in Europe, we have in the Far East if you pay about two dollars a month for gas on average. An example of prices in Europe give.
      1. dimanf
        dimanf 29 September 2012 11: 32
        +4
        Quote: Alexander Romanov

        And how much private consumers pay for gas in Europe, we have in the Far East if you pay about two dollars a month for gas on average. An example of prices in Europe give.


        you seem like communism. in central Russia, prices are higher.
        and how much do you have 1000m3?

        http://www.ng.ru/economics/2012-04-13/1_gazprom.html
        and this is about the price of gas in America.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 29 September 2012 11: 37
          0
          Quote: dimanf
          and how much do you have 1000m3?

          I have no idea, I said how much gas consumption costs for the population in the Far East, about two dollars a month, the average price, and if the meter is even less.
          Quote: dimanf
          it's about the price of gas in America.

          This is the purchase price, and I asked about the price of gas for the population.
          1. dimanf
            dimanf 29 September 2012 11: 53
            +2
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            This is the purchase price, and I asked about the price of gas for the population.

            if the purchase price is lower, it is logical to assume that the sale is lower.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 29 September 2012 11: 58
              +3
              Quote: dimanf
              it is logical to assume that the sale is lower.

              No, it’s not logical. I already said that the price for a consumer in Russia is from 1 to 2 dollars a month, if you say that gas is cheaper for the population in America, I will be surprised.
              1. bairat
                bairat 29 September 2012 12: 00
                0
                Our gas costs 4.1 rubles per cubic meter.
                1. Set
                  Set 30 September 2012 13: 42
                  +4
                  I pay 63 rubles per cubic meter, which is almost 2000 bucks per 1000 cubic meters. Here it is a national treasure bl ... t.
              2. Dukalis
                Dukalis 29 September 2012 12: 37
                -2
                so you're lying, perhaps out of ignorance
              3. VAF
                VAF 29 September 2012 16: 04
                +1
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                I have already said that the price for a consumer in Russia is from 1 to 2 dollars per month


                Sanya, it’s not quite right in terms of what kind of gas you consider only a household type stove and oven. but you forget about heating!
                To really calculate the price of gas for the population, you need to take private houses with gas boilers. here it’s all at once and climbs out .. the price per cubic meter of gas in our region, 3.9 rubles per cubic meter ..... from the month of October I consume 1300-1700 cubic meters per month on my boiler until May, in the summer from 30 - up to 50 cubes, so you can calculate how much it comes out in the end!

                Well, if frosts hit under 30. which is not uncommon especially in February, then you can jump out at 2500 cubic meters!

                Well, in apartments, yes .. there’s cheaper, this is how you write!
        2. GP
          GP 29 September 2012 12: 39
          +1
          Quote: dimanf
          http://www.ng.ru/economics/2012-04-13/1_gazprom.html


          But here
          http://www.energovopros.ru/novosti/gaz/23862/

          So far, gas in Russia is much cheaper than in the United States, both for industry and for the population. In 2011, domestic enterprises received “blue fuel” on average at a price slightly more $ 90 for 1000 cubic meters. Electricity companies paid in the US $ 174, which is almost twice as much (although in December it was already $ 148 per 1000 cubic meters).

          Since the beginning of this year, exchange prices for gas in the United States have declined by more than 20%, because electricity companies can already receive fuel at $ 120 for 1000 cubic meters. But they acquire gas almost cheaper than all others. So, in December, commercial and industrial consumers in the United States spent on $ 296 и $ 160 per 1000 cubic meters, respectively.

          And the population paid the most for gas - $ 346 for 1000 cubic meters.
          In Russia 90-100 for the population. And yes, taxation should also be considered.
          In Russia, taxes are included in the price. In the USA (each state has its own rates), a part of taxes is paid separately from the price.
        3. datur
          datur 29 September 2012 20: 31
          +1
          dimanf, a month comes out 78 rubles !!!! yes - the same 2 amerskie ferrets !!! laughing and you? yes
      2. Dukalis
        Dukalis 29 September 2012 12: 33
        +3
        I don’t know how in Europe, but in Volgograd they pay 180 rubles from one prescribed (without a meter), and in Lugansk 60 rubles (in translation).
        So think about why the importer for his population has prices 3 times lower than the exporter for his own.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 29 September 2012 13: 00
          -1
          Quote: Dukalis
          but in Volgograd they pay 180 rubles from one prescribed (without a meter)

          This infa from where?
          1. VAF
            VAF 29 September 2012 16: 07
            0
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            This infa from where?


            Well no. he bent it .... 63 rubles per person registered in the living space per month! +!
          2. Dukalis
            Dukalis 29 September 2012 19: 32
            +1
            I live periodically in Volgograd, I know
    2. Satanail
      Satanail 29 September 2012 09: 45
      +4
      "gazvorprom" spends and sells our resources, but where is our share? Divide the profit between citizens who have lived for three generations in Russia.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 29 September 2012 09: 51
        +2
        Quote: Satanail

        "gazvorprom" spends and sells our resources, but where is our share? Divide the profit between citizens,

        Yes, it was already, divided in 1917 and finished, only citizens didn’t get much. Whoever shares will not cheat themselves. Yes, and then you pay a lot for gas or you don’t have it. Where does the money of Gazprom go, well, the same a budget from which it is planned including rearmament or you really need money. Then I recommend getting a job.
        1. Satanail
          Satanail 29 September 2012 09: 57
          +2
          The budget goes to no more than 30% of these taxes. Well let them give us our shares and we pay taxes. The example you gave was not successful, it was necessary about privatization.) 1917 revolutionaries were hungry and cold and they did not give anything to the people, the profit went to the fight against the "whites". And privatization failed due to corruption, to put it mildly ...
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 29 September 2012 10: 04
            +2
            Quote: Satanail
            And privatization crashed due to corruption to say the least.

            Yes, in kind shared equally, each on a voucher and what did you get? not you will start to share, but others and you, like in the 90s, nothing will fall off hi
            Quote: Satanail
            the profit went to the fight against the "whites"

            But after all divided yes wink
            Quote: Satanail
            Well, let them give us our shares and we will pay taxes.

            You really don’t want to pay taxes, well then we will have a poor country, as in the 90s, then few paid taxes, if you want to return, only without me, I’d better pay taxes hi
            1. Satanail
              Satanail 29 September 2012 11: 40
              +10
              Do not distort, I agree to pay tax on my share and that part of the profit goes to the development of the country, it turns out that gnopuni and Dimka can’t cope with their obligations or do not want to cope. I KNOW ONE MONEY OF NATIONAL DESTINY CONSIDERED IN THE POCKETS OF THE ENVIRONMENT OF THE TANDEM AND I AM AGAINST THIS.! How many people are waiting for surgery? Let them give them something in their pocket. I wrote that privatization went through J ... because it was so conceived from above. I didn’t have vouchers ... I was under 18 ... Lenin didn’t share anything! One needs to know history; they themselves cited an example from 1917.
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 29 September 2012 13: 08
                0
                Quote: Satanail
                I agree to pay tax on my share

                Your share will be less than the scholarship of the poorest student, you will not get rich !!!
                Quote: Satanail
                and that part of the profit goes to the development of the country,

                Sorry, but who will be in power?
                Quote: Satanail
                MONEY OF NATIONAL DESTINY CONSIDERED IN TANDEM ENVIRONMENT POCKETS AND I AM AGAINST THIS.!

                Others will come and lay out everything for everyone, if you think so, then they are very naive.
                Quote: Satanail
                How many people are waiting for surgery? Let them give them something in their pocket.

                Well, the slogan is good, but what really is?
                Quote: Satanail
                ... Lenin didn’t share anything

                But it was he who moved the slogans similar to yours — to withdraw and separate, complete justice and all that. Earth to the peasants, factories of workers, etc., etc., it’s to your slogan to give you your share, all the same
                Quote: Satanail
                One needs to know history; they themselves cited an example from 1917.

                We still need to learn from history, so as not to repeat the mistakes of 1917 hi
                1. Satanail
                  Satanail 29 September 2012 13: 32
                  +1
                  It’s not a monetary principle, I myself want to decide who and where to give my share!
                  And where is the power? I do not want the government to be fat at the expense of our shares!
                  The one to whom we will trust our must come and he will dispose competently for the benefit of all!
                  So I understood correctly you don’t know the story, this is not a slogan, it’s a historical fact .. I got the impression that you are TROL .... And where does it take and divide? I DEMAND TO GIVE OUR SHARES THAT ARE OWNED BY LAW!
                  1. GP
                    GP 29 September 2012 13: 40
                    +3
                    Quote: Satanail
                    I agree to pay tax on my share


                    http://www.gazprom.ru/press/news/2012/april/article134184/

                    The amount of profit for the period relating to the shareholders of OJSC Gazprom in 2011 amounted to 1 million rubles. So offhand divide this figure by the number of citizens of the Russian Federation 307 million, and bring to salaries on a monthly basis. We divide 018 million by 145 million, and by 1307018 we get in the region ~ 145 rubles per month for each citizen of the Russian Federation or ~ 12 dollars.

                    You can only share the profit.
                    1. Alexander Romanov
                      Alexander Romanov 29 September 2012 13: 55
                      +1
                      Quote: GP
                      ~ 750 rubles per month

                      And he probably thought he would become a millionaire, although Zyuganov and the stabilization fund suggested sharing what
                    2. donchepano
                      donchepano 30 September 2012 21: 09
                      0
                      profit can be increased many times by reducing the cost of the administrative apparatus. Reduce the costs of Gas and ROM and profit will increase several times. there are huge salaries for all kinds of managers
                  2. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 29 September 2012 13: 45
                    0
                    Quote: Satanail
                    I NEED TO GIVE OUR SHARES

                    How much is your share specifically and you say that a Satanist?
                    1. Satanail
                      Satanail 29 September 2012 14: 05
                      0
                      Have you switched to personality? I ONCE AGAIN WRITE FOR TROLLE I WANT TO DECIDE THAT WHAT WILL BE WITH MY SHARE! For some, these 75o children will go for milk for a child, an increase for pensioners. No matter how much and to whom the main thing is, we ourselves will decide what we will do with our shares!
                      PS Read the Bible and see that in Orthodoxy, as in Christianity, there are other heroes. This is my personal position and its discussion here is inappropriate. My nickname and my views have nothing to do with the topic.

                      It is necessary to divide the annual income into citizens who have lived three generations in Russia and you will find out the share of each of us!
                      1. GP
                        GP 29 September 2012 14: 15
                        +2
                        Quote: Satanail
                        I want to decide for myself what will happen to my share!

                        To share in the sale of oil has become yours you need to invest in production. Buy Gazprom shares, receive dividends, decide for yourself what to do with the share. And then they didn’t hit finger on finger, but you already want something and someone should. What the hell?
                      2. Satanail
                        Satanail 29 September 2012 15: 16
                        +1
                        There are resources, let each person take a share for development and production. I'm not against. I didn't write that I want freebies. "Vorgaz" He crushed everything under himself ... And does not allow anyone to exercise their rights!
                      3. FID
                        FID 29 September 2012 15: 17
                        +10
                        Excuse me, please, which of the owners of oil and gas companies invested in production? And what about the Constitution, which says that the bowels belong to the people? Or are these just words?
                      4. Satanail
                        Satanail 29 September 2012 16: 05
                        +3
                        Our opponents do not know the history and our constitution and are trying to argue about something ... I agree with you!
                      5. VAF
                        VAF 29 September 2012 16: 14
                        +4
                        Quote: SSI
                        and which of the owners of oil and gas companies invested in production? And what about the Constitution, which says that the bowels belong to the people? Or are these just words?


                        Seryoga, +! Here you are .... "fired" the rocket and that's it .... the commercial break ... all the arguments from THEM immediately ended, but for some reason they kept silent. that the entire department of Gazprom has practically bought up the entire coastline around the Gulf of Finland, together with summer cottages, well ... about the Cote d'Azur I am generally silent, and so ..... "Gazprom-national heritage"! bully
                      6. FID
                        FID 29 September 2012 16: 23
                        +4
                        + Hello, namesake! For a long time, already from Thursday, did not write off. Glad, very glad to meet you !!!
                      7. VAF
                        VAF 29 September 2012 16: 27
                        +2
                        Quote: SSI
                        Glad, very glad to meet you !!!


                        Mutually, Serge! +! drinks
                      8. donchepano
                        donchepano 30 September 2012 21: 17
                        0
                        YES, PEOPLE. VALUE ...
                      9. GP
                        GP 29 September 2012 16: 29
                        -2
                        And entrepreneurial ability - what do you think?

                        A peasant who received land under arable land from a former collective farm — exploiting national wealth — built a successful agricultural enterprise on its basis, exploiting labor; following your logic, you need to take for a causal place and divide its income. And what did you do, besides the shock of the Constitution, for this enterprise itself, so that it should share income?
                      10. FID
                        FID 29 September 2012 16: 52
                        +7
                        Excuse me, please, can I redirect you a question. What, or rather, what do you do? To ask what you have done obviously does not make sense, since, obviously, you have done a lot. And I beat the bucks in the aviation industry.
                      11. GP
                        GP 29 September 2012 17: 07
                        +3
                        Quote: SSI
                        Excuse me, please, can I redirect you a question. What, or rather, what do you do? To ask what you have done obviously does not make sense, since, obviously, you have done a lot. And I beat the bucks in the aviation industry.


                        I’ll answer if you ask. The ordinary worker. For the oil workers and peasants, I did nothing at all, I regularly buy bread and pay for gas. There is no feeling that they suddenly owe me something or owe something, in spite of the quality of the product I’m buying.
                        At leisure, I am curious about who and how has achieved success and how, what is going on in the country and where the legs grow from.
                      12. FID
                        FID 29 September 2012 17: 11
                        +2
                        Thank! Nice to chat with an educated and polite person! +
                      13. donchepano
                        donchepano 30 September 2012 21: 16
                        0
                        The constitution bashfully blushed ...
                      14. donchepano
                        donchepano 30 September 2012 21: 15
                        +1
                        In Turkmenistan, gas for the population is FREE, like many utilities are conditionally paid. free bread and others. They are Turkmen backward gas to them for free, and we are highly advanced in a shitty way and we have gas at American prices ... And then why wouldn’t we pay American salaries to the government?

                        In Turkmenistan, gas for the population is FREE, like many utilities are conditionally paid. free bread and others. They are Turkmen backward gas to them for free, and we are highly advanced in a shitty way and we have gas at American prices ... And then why wouldn’t we pay American salaries to the government?
                2. Recon
                  Recon 29 September 2012 21: 48
                  0
                  Your share will be less than the scholarship of the poorest student, you will not get rich !!!


                  that says it all.
          2. Andrey_K
            Andrey_K 29 September 2012 10: 11
            +4
            With about such arguments, the Soviet Union was also destroyed - they say officials receive free rations in their privileged buffets and therefore eat us up - poor orphans, whose stomach already outweighs the ass.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 29 September 2012 10: 14
              +5
              Quote: Andrey_K
              That's about such arguments and the Soviet Union destroyed

              Yes, and there are those who want to destroy Russia, take everything away and share, like in a sandbox candy
              1. Satanail
                Satanail 29 September 2012 14: 17
                0
                Is this a stone in my "vegetable garden"? Give a normal government and let everyone do their own thing and no one will share anything!
            2. bairat
              bairat 29 September 2012 10: 28
              -6
              The USSR itself crumbled due to the discrepancy between ideology and reality.
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 29 September 2012 10: 46
                +2
                Quote: bairat
                The USSR itself crumbled due to the discrepancy between ideology and reality.

                You about the cost of gas in Europe did not answer
                1. bairat
                  bairat 29 September 2012 11: 10
                  +1
                  Why should I be responsible for the price of gas in Europe? I live in Russia.
                  1. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 29 September 2012 11: 21
                    +3
                    bairat,
                    Quote: bairat

                    Why should I be responsible for the price of gas in Europe?

                    But you yourself raised the topic of Gazprom and expensive gas for the population of the Russian Federation, or so it would be just to insert a comment
                    1. bairat
                      bairat 29 September 2012 11: 33
                      +2
                      In this case, we are talking about the fact that Gazprom receives from the budget the difference between the price of gas for the local population and the world price. Read carefully.

                      here alex 65 answered you
                      Alex65 Today,
                      there is little gas in Europe, LNG went from Qatar ,,, in the United States 70 dollars per 1 thousand cubic meters, m / 2100-2200 rubles /, for our population 4056 rubles is 1 thousand cubic meters / or 130 dollars ,,, for enterprises more expensive + VAT 18%
                      1. Satanail
                        Satanail 29 September 2012 12: 44
                        +3
                        That is why gazvprom should receive a subsidy for us, for our own resources ?! For what belongs to us! OUR GAS us face value, EUROPEAN GAS WRAP!
                    2. Satanail
                      Satanail 29 September 2012 11: 41
                      0
                      And what about Europe? Gas belongs to the Russian!
                      1. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 29 September 2012 13: 11
                        -1
                        Quote: Satanail
                        Satanail

                        Tell me, what does your nickname mean?
                      2. Satanail
                        Satanail 29 September 2012 13: 33
                        0
                        What do you think? And the question is not relevant!
                      3. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 29 September 2012 13: 39
                        0
                        I see an association with Satan, so more than appropriate, if so, then goodbye !!!
                      4. Satanail
                        Satanail 29 September 2012 14: 09
                        +1
                        I see in your speeches a note of ass licking "Worgaz"
                        My nickname is not connected with anything terrible, it is full of worst nicknames. Nick is a mask. If you take a mask for a person and turn to personalities, then the dialogue should not be built with you!
                      5. Apollo
                        Apollo 29 September 2012 16: 26
                        0
                        Quote: Satanail
                        Gas belongs to the Russian!


                        please specify to the people, state corporations or officials.?!
                      6. Satanail
                        Satanail 29 September 2012 21: 03
                        +1
                        "Resources are the national property" - the Constitution of Russia, this has already been written in one of the comments.
              2. Apollo
                Apollo 29 September 2012 11: 32
                +3
                Quote: bairat
                The USSR itself crumbled due to the discrepancy between ideology and reality.


                Sorry Airat, but the USSR is not a house of cards to take and disintegrate. Why this happened, as they say, is another question.
                1. bairat
                  bairat 29 September 2012 11: 51
                  -2
                  I believe that it crumbled, the external impact was minimal. Millions of Communists, yesterday's faithful Leninists, abandoned their membership cards at the earliest opportunity. I’m just disgusted by this scoop.
                  1. FID
                    FID 29 September 2012 12: 14
                    +6
                    Quote: bairat
                    Millions of Communists, yesterday's faithful Leninists, abandoned their membership cards at the earliest opportunity. I’m just disgusted by this scoop.

                    I beg your pardon, but do not confuse "party members" and communists. Typical party members are the current United Russia party, while the communists are something else.
                  2. Apollo
                    Apollo 29 September 2012 16: 33
                    +3
                    Quote: bairat
                    I’m just disgusted by this scoop.



                    You are deeply mistaken, my friend, I’m saying this just like the person who lived under the USSR. If you have read newspapers and all kinds of books, I just have nothing to tell you. Advice, talk to the old-timers, they will tell you everything firsthand.
              3. wax
                wax 29 September 2012 11: 34
                +1
                But the enemy of the USSR Kissinger had a different opinion that there were no internal objective reasons for the death of the USSR. He expressed this a long time ago at some gatherings in Russia. But, in principle, the West never hid its victory.
              4. donchepano
                donchepano 30 September 2012 21: 21
                0
                And the NSA and the State Department just walked around
        2. MI-AS-72
          MI-AS-72 29 September 2012 11: 47
          +1
          Well, it’s you in vain, that which arose after the revolution of 17 years in the expanses of the Republic of Ingushetia to this day was almost an ideal society for the Russian people.
          1. donchepano
            donchepano 30 September 2012 21: 37
            0
            After 17 years, there was a real genocide of the Slavic peoples for a long time
    3. aksakal
      aksakal 29 September 2012 15: 44
      +6
      Quote: bairat
      I consider the dismissal of three ministers to be a show of dust. Who are these ministers - silent cogs and powerless. They gave them a pendal and left in silence. Of course, their silence will be appreciated, they will be given some kind of "warm" position in the same Gazprom.
      - Bayrat, why this copy-paste from the Echo of Moscow? Set of unproven vyser. From that topic, like let's remove Russia from the oil and gas needle! But as? And we will destroy Gazprom, Lukoil, Rosneftegaz, automatically we will get off this damned needle. Passed already. About the USSR - let's destroy the dictatorship. But as? Yes, if we destroy the state, the dictatorship will be automatically destroyed, and democracy will automatically arise. In Libya, they saw a repeat - if you call democracy what happened as a result of the destruction, then I wish you to live in it. And I wish you to live in a country in which you destroyed Gazprom, Lukoil, Rosneftegaz and other system-forming companies, simply destroying, without bothering with this full-fledged construction of another money-making system. I would like to see how you survive.
      Of course, I do not deny at all that many parasites found a warm place under Gazprom. Well, it needs to be cleaned of parasites, and not destroyed, as suggested in this article.
      And about the high domestic prices - remember once and for all. If you think that you live in a sovereign state and hope that there is no metropolis over this state, but would like to verify this, there is one hundred percent sign. This is if the systemically important commodity position of your state’s export, despite its abundance, is sold to consumers within your state at prices higher or approximately equal to the prices than the largest consumer of this system-forming commodity position buys it, then, alas, the colony. And then the state - the largest consumer - is the metropolis. This feature always works. If Iran is a sovereign state, then a system-forming commodity position - oil and oil products is sold inside Iran at its own prices, and you can ask about this subject. Why it happens? Yes, because the metropolis does not allow anyone to buy cheaper than she buys, considering herself the mistress of this product. Even to the population where this product is produced or mined.
      From here draw conclusions - is Russia sovereign or is it a semi-colony? In my opinion, the focus should be on this, and not on the destruction of their backbone companies, which, moreover, are not the largest. There are a bunch of companies even in third countries, not to mention Amer, the same CNPC from China or Petrobras from Brazil, which surpass Gazprom in all respects - capitalization, profits, amount of production, etc., but none of those countries do not intend to destroy them.
      1. FID
        FID 29 September 2012 15: 54
        +5
        Very interesting, very. Our gasoline at a price equal (I think) to the price in the United States. And in Venezuela below ... What are the conclusions ..?
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 29 September 2012 16: 07
          +1
          Quote: SSI
          Very interesting, very. Our gasoline at a price equal (I think) to the price in the United States.

          Sergey, the gas price in some regions is higher than in the USA, but gas is much cheaper for the population. I don’t know the price in the USA, but our gas is very cheap.
          Quote: SSI
          What are the findings ..?

          Nationalize and make one like Gazprom, which will dictate terms to greedy private traders, our gasoline should be cheap!
          1. bairat
            bairat 29 September 2012 16: 32
            0
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            I don’t know the prices in the USA, but our gas is very cheap.

            then what is the conclusion based on? gas in the usa is half the price.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 30 September 2012 05: 32
              0
              Quote: bairat
              then what is the conclusion based on?

              There are no such prices in America, that’s the whole conclusion. The gas price is one thing and the exchange price is completely different for the end consumer in each state, you said that our gas is more expensive and you have a gas boiler. Give prices in Europe and the USA for the population. I brought below hi
          2. Satanail
            Satanail 29 September 2012 21: 07
            0
            It is especially cheap to spend at least 50 thousand or a balloon will legally install at least 30 thousand in the house. The project costs 20 thousand, technical supervision 5 thousand for the reference, estimate 3 thousand and work 20 thousand, materials 15 thousand. The result 63 is my personal experience. Now divide the result by the time that you will live in the room and find out its profitability. 63 \ 12 = 5 thousand per month for the whole year! Cheap?
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 30 September 2012 05: 28
              0
              Quote: Satanail

              It is especially cheap to spend at least 50 thousand or a balloon will legally install at least 30 thousand in the house. The project costs 20 thousand, technical supervision 5 thousand for information, estimate 3 thousand and work 20 thousand, materials 15 thousand

              I answer the gas supply to the Far East costs 0 rubles, Project 0 rubles, Technical supervision, estimate, materials 0 rubles. We did not pay for gas pipelines, the price of piping and connection cost us 0 rubles and now we pay 69 rubles 85 kopecks. Tariff (rub, cbm) 5,57935
              The standard for 1 person, m, cube 12,52
              amount of payment 69,85.
              Reprinted from receipt. If you also take money for projects, then I don’t know what your organization worked for. All of our work was carried out by Gazprom and everything was installed for free. hi
        2. GP
          GP 29 September 2012 16: 08
          +3
          Quote: SSI
          Very interesting, very. Our gasoline at a price equal (I think) to the price in the United States. And in Venezuela below ... What are the conclusions ..?


          Such:
          1. You can safely reduce oil sales abroad.
          2. It is more profitable to produce gasoline domestically - a product of greater redistribution, higher profitability.
          3. the steadily high growth in the number of gasoline consumers also means stable growth in gasoline itself.
          4. other tariffing: for oil - one tariff, for gasoline - excise taxes, taxes,
          5. refueling infrastructure, employment, oil refineries, chemical plants.
          6. etc.
          What conclusions do you have?
          1. FID
            FID 29 September 2012 16: 14
            +5
            Everything is correct, but for some reason the owners of the oil business do not. We have the concept of a seasonal price increase, why is there no seasonal decrease? The price of oil on the exchanges is growing - the price of gasoline is rising, the price of oil on the exchanges is falling, and the price of gas is GROWING. And the owners of oil companies still drive oil abroad. Paradox.
          2. aksakal
            aksakal 30 September 2012 13: 08
            +3
            Quote: GP
            1. You can safely reduce oil sales abroad. 2. it is more profitable to produce gasoline domestically - a product of greater redistribution, higher profitability. 3. a steadily high growth in the number of gasoline consumers means a stable growth in gasoline itself. 4. other tariffing: for oil - one tariff, for gasoline - excises, taxes, 5. refueling infrastructure, employment, oil refineries, chemical plants. 6. etc.
            - with two hands for your option. But for some reason, key Russian business players, better known as oligarchs, do not do this? We are now accustomed to a simplified explanation of their behavior - like "every single nit, and therefore they are on the gallows!" In fact, everything is more complicated. These "nits" are pragmatic and rational people. And they cannot be different. To put any of you in this position - if you do not act pragmatically and rationally, but start acting out of patriotic or, even worse, romantic motives, ruin your structure and go down the drain.
            Since these people do not reduce oil sales abroad and do not invest in the production of high value added value inside the country, then there are good reasons for this. We, again out of habit - "nits and hang!". They answered - "the investment climate in Russia is not the same!" Moreover, he was always not the same - that with hump I first heard about this climate, under Yeltsin, under Putin, or under Medvedev. This is also a simplified excuse. I still suspect that the West managed to impose its own rules of the game on Russia, assigning it the role of a raw materials appendage, and it is precisely because of this that the oligarchs simply cannot implement the measures you proposed, dear GP. We can grind our teeth at the damned oligarchs as much as we like, but if they have a ban on precisely such measures, then they cannot do it. And this prohibition may not be explicit. That is, there is no such piece of paper in nature from the West, which says: You, the key entrepreneurs of Russia, are prohibited from: “and further according to your, GP, text. And these rules have been changed to this day.
            1. donchepano
              donchepano 30 September 2012 21: 44
              0
              See examples of Venezuela Turkmenistan ..
        3. VAF
          VAF 29 September 2012 17: 06
          +3
          Quote: SSI
          And in Venezuela below ... What are the conclusions ..?


          A person simply has never been to the UAE, Kuwait, Qatar, Sudan, Iraq, Iran, Algeria, Tunisia, Marroco, etc. and so on .... well, whatever would it be .. to travel, I don’t say at all, so this topic ... is meaningless in a discussion with him.
          Or is it again ... a provocation or how it is expressed ... checking .. what nerves are made of steel from or .... ???? +! wassat
          1. FID
            FID 29 September 2012 17: 13
            +5
            + Serge, don’t tell anyone how much gasoline costs in the Emirates! They will laugh!
        4. donchepano
          donchepano 30 September 2012 21: 40
          0
          In Venezuela, a decent person Hugo Chavez nationalized enterprises and companies. The privatization continues
      2. bairat
        bairat 29 September 2012 17: 00
        +2
        Give me a link, I'm not on the echo. you appreciated my statements, calling them "vyser", I will not stoop to such a level of controversy.
        1. FID
          FID 29 September 2012 17: 07
          +3
          + You for restraint. Keep it up!
          1. aksakal
            aksakal 29 September 2012 20: 11
            +1
            Quote: SSI
            You for restraint. Keep it up!
            - Well, actually I called that article the copy-paste of which Bayrath cited in his post. Bayrat only said why bring these copy-paste, especially not having a very indirect relation to the topic of the branch. Bairat, when reading, it would not hurt you to read more closely.
            And the fact that you
            Quote: bairat
            I will not stoop to such a level of controversy.
            - do not enter into an argument, you are doing the right thing. Your level was already clear from the thread that discussed Russia's financial dependence on the West through the Central Bank of Russia. You then, in all seriousness, found a simple and effective way out of this difficult situation - I quote literally "bump your fist on the table and kick these nit-bankers to hell!" Well, Kudrin was kicked out, so what? In general, you are absolutely correct that you do not enter into an argument. Correctly assess your strength -))). It’s not good to deceive, like I don’t argue at this level of polemics. Have the courage to point out the real reason - there will be more respect.
            1. FID
              FID 29 September 2012 20: 24
              +2
              Anyway, it is not worth the cultural person (I hope you relate yourself to them) to fall to the level of the fence. And please read the second line of your post, to the point. And to argue or not to argue ... I do not know. I am not an economist, I, on one side, have an attitude to aviation, but they argue with me. And people argue that the Internet considers the ultimate truth. So that....
              1. aksakal
                aksakal 29 September 2012 21: 25
                0
                "Bayrat, why is this copy-paste from Echo of Moscow? A set of unproven vyser. From that topic, like let's take Russia off the oil and gas needle" - I read it to the point and further. This article does not deserve a softer assessment, and I cannot soften the wording on the issue of such articles, sorry. And to Bayrat - just why this copy-paste?
                1. FID
                  FID 29 September 2012 21: 33
                  +2
                  I'm sorry, there is "not" superfluous. And so, everything is correct.
            2. bairat
              bairat 29 September 2012 21: 42
              +1
              so where is the link to copy-paste?
              Quote: aksakal
              Bairat, when reading, it would not hurt you to read more closely.

              better refrain from using similar expressions
              Quote: aksakal
              It’s not good to deceive, like I don’t argue at this level of polemics.

              a very serious statement. prove my deception. I can respond to an insult, but I myself will not be the first to throw definitions like "vyser".
              Quote: aksakal
              You then, in all seriousness, found a simple and effective way out of this difficult situation - I quote literally "bump your fist on the table and kick these nit-bankers to hell!" Well, Kudrin was kicked out, so what?

              I don’t remember in what context it was said. that Kudrin was kicked out correctly, like a vacuum cleaner pulling money out of the Russian economy and sending it to the west.
              Quote: aksakal
              Have the courage to point out the real reason - there will be more respect.

              I pointed out the real reason. but you called yourself an aksakal, a man revered and respected, apparently decided in your own eyes to raise self-esteem.
              1. aksakal
                aksakal 30 September 2012 13: 25
                0
                Quote: bairat
                I don’t remember in what context it was said. that Kudrin was kicked out correctly, like a vacuum cleaner pulling money out of the Russian economy and sending it to the west.
                - I remind you. When the members of the forum explained to you how and what mechanism is used to keep Russia in a financial cage, you immediately suggested this simple solution - "bang your fist on the table and kick these nits bankers to hell!" There was no context, literally like that. You go to a serious forum and propose simple solutions similar to Ligachevsky: "Are they drinking? Ban vodka!" and want to be taken seriously with this level? As for Kudrin - I am not arguing here, you are right here, I brought Kudrin in objection only so that you would understand - Kudrin was kicked out directly on your advice, unless they hit the table with a fist, what changed? As Russia was in the financial cage, it remained. I'm just there to wish you to raise your level, instead you continue to read the paid articles, take them on faith, and even litter the local forum with copy-paste of these paid articles.
                I am waiting for you to begin to show critical thinking, to draw your conclusions, YOURSELF, and not inspired by cheap articles, and here to present your conclusions here. However, you may be wrong, but earn much more respect than what you are doing now. I hope you understand me correctly and draw the right conclusions.
                1. bairat
                  bairat 30 September 2012 15: 06
                  0
                  Quote: aksakal
                  and not inspired by cheap articles and here already present their conclusions here.

                  aha, trying to appear respected, made a smooth drift, now this is no longer a copy-paste of the article but inspired by the article. I don’t ask for the link anymore, you can adjust any text to the inspired one. adults do not like to apologize, so I do not insist, do not tremble only for no reason.
                  1. aksakal
                    aksakal 30 September 2012 17: 58
                    0
                    Quote: bairat
                    trying to appear respected he made a smooth drift
                    - I don’t see any drift, I clearly indicate to you that you brought a copy-paste of the article, and of an extremely low-grade article, such articles are called vyser. Moreover, they copied it in this form and accompanied it with a comment that there is no doubt at all - you completely agree with the content of this article and fully accept it on faith. Your text - that the ministers were dismissed and silently left - is also not true. They were not fired, they were just slapped with a reprimand.
                    Bairat, let's finish this. Reread my wishes above and start thinking with your own head. We read such an article before believing the above and all the more copy-paste here, take the trouble to read other articles on this topic. Match. Then get real numbers, statistical data and other info. Match again. It will already be clear that one of several article authors is lying. Why? Look for material again. Etc. Just think it over. So you get a more objective picture. Do not be like those who believe only what they want to believe. You really want to believe in what is stated in the copy-pasted article, and you believe that. You also insist on your own.
    4. Vadivak
      Vadivak 29 September 2012 20: 56
      +2
      Quote: bairat
      will give some kind of "warm" position in the same Gazprom


      Yes, I don’t know where the former Moscow police chief Pronin is now. He pulls the strap in the president’s team, oversees the Olympic facilities all in places of something
      1. FID
        FID 29 September 2012 21: 01
        +3
        Good evening, Vadim! Yes, they are all on a tepid! As they say, Putin does not give up. Soon it will be endowed with serfs, probably.
    5. starshina78
      starshina78 29 September 2012 21: 24
      +4
      ++++++++++++++++++ The advertisement of "Gazprom", which asserts the fact that it is a national property, for me personally only causes an explosion of negative emotions. Hypocrisy beyond the norm. Generally speaking, hypocrisy is the hallmark of all government policy.
  2. volcano
    volcano 29 September 2012 09: 25
    -3
    In principle, Putin is doing everything right ... He wants to show the public that he sees everything ... remembers everything .... and will not tolerate ignoring his ideas and goals.
    Another question, what’s next? If the government, headed by Medved, continues to bend its line .... Putin (whether he wants it or not) will have to take tougher measures, including resignations ...
    And here it may be interesting .... Earlier, the President, expressing dissatisfaction with the Government, dismissed the Prime Minister, which automatically entailed the dismantling of the entire cabinet ... what should I do now?
    Here it will be clear what happens in our tandem ...
    Or the government will fully embody the ideas of the President, or ... ?????
    1. dimanf
      dimanf 29 September 2012 11: 35
      +7
      Quote: volkan

      In principle, Putin is doing everything right ... He wants to show the public that he sees everything ... remembers everything .... and will not tolerate ignoring his ideas and goals.


      well you made fun.
      Putin was announcing campaign promises, knowing that there was no money for it, and now the iPhone player is frightening!
      you won’t drink skill!
      1. volcano
        volcano 29 September 2012 12: 20
        +1
        Quote: dimanf
        Putin made election promises, knowing that there is no money for it


        Well, then you definitely know how much money Russia has and where to put it ....

        Quote: dimanf
        and now for this is the iPhone player


        But he just does not do this yet.
    2. wax
      wax 29 September 2012 11: 41
      +4
      If Medvedev could not be left in the post of President, then he is not needed as Prime Minister. But you can't just kick it after tandem. No one would put such treachery as a plus for Putin. Medvedev was given the opportunity to work, and he is interested in spreading responsibility on the so-called "big government", which is already asking for a billion from the state pie. Actually, all the fight of sucking leeches takes place for the pie. The so-called non-systemic opposition is especially unhappy with the excommunication from the pie.
  3. scrack
    scrack 29 September 2012 09: 27
    0
    I think Putin’s criticism is still flowering, and the berries will go at the end of the year
  4. not good
    not good 29 September 2012 09: 30
    +1
    It’s not a lordly thing to poke around in the poop. It looks like Putin begins to bake the professionalism of Medvedev once distributing "carrots to ministers bypassing the prime minister. If the prime minister is not able to organize the work of the government subordinate to him, can it be easier to change Medvedev?"
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 29 September 2012 16: 50
      +1
      Quote: Negoro
      If the prime minister is not able to organize the work of the government subordinate to him, can it be easier to change Medvedev?


      but why, it’s a multi-way route, so far it suits, in which case you can put it off Medvedev later, Hour X has not yet struck.
  5. Satanail
    Satanail 29 September 2012 09: 42
    +6
    The tandem was as it was, the seigneur putik and his eternal "gollum" with a dream to return the "charm". The situation is trivial, they do what they do well - they do nothing and continue to destroy the country. Shmutin is like a beautiful "candy" wrapper, but inside soy .. Everything is fine with the budget, if you do not steal and remove the stupid, snickering ministers and other persons. Then the country reached imperial principles and we would be happy, but our pensioners would not starve!
    1. FID
      FID 29 September 2012 12: 17
      +4
      Quote: Satanail
      if you do not steal and remove stupid, snickering ministers and other persons. Then the country reached the imperial beginnings and we would be satisfied, and our pensioners would not starve!

      I'm afraid that then about a third of the country will have to be removed. The number of officials is growing faster than the natural population growth of the country!
      1. Satanail
        Satanail 29 September 2012 12: 49
        +3
        Znchet will have to teach officials to live on retirement! Why do we need officials who are slowly and systematically killing us? ... Better we are them than they are us ... While we are the majority.
        1. FID
          FID 29 September 2012 12: 57
          +4
          I totally agree with you! But officials have a different opinion! And pay attention - the internal troops in our state will not be larger than the army? Does this mean anything to you? And the salaries of VVshnikov ...
          1. Satanail
            Satanail 29 September 2012 13: 38
            +3
            This suggests that they are creating a powerful apparatus of "policemen" who will spit at us and drive all those who disagree ... With the ruling puppets. This is because there are "inferior" ones at the top!
            1. FID
              FID 29 September 2012 13: 43
              +4
              And, again, I completely agree with you! There is little left. To convince the people, and a lot of those who like it all!
              1. Satanail
                Satanail 29 September 2012 14: 14
                +1
                I agree with you!
          2. VAF
            VAF 29 September 2012 16: 20
            +3
            Quote: SSI
            I totally agree with you! But officials have a different opinion! And pay attention - the internal troops in our state will not be larger than the army? Does this mean anything to you? And salaries at VVshnikov.


            Seryoga, are you clearly going to our ... "black list" to be enrolled? +! bully
            Otansya, wake up at least in two with MI-AS to destroy the castles in the air ..... sounding from the lips of "specials of the computer aviation industry2 on this site!
            1. FID
              FID 29 September 2012 16: 30
              +3
              Well, where will I go? That’s true, I’ll leave soon for a business trip to Ufa. You know, lately I became afraid to fly. It’s most convenient to fly to Ufa by Utah, the schedule is convenient, and even if there is one company back and forth there are discounts (it’s more expensive to fly than the world’s times 1,5-2 more), but they have SUCH a park .... In general , I flew about half a million, and now I'm afraid!
              1. VAF
                VAF 29 September 2012 17: 10
                +1
                Quote: SSI
                The most convenient way to fly to Ufa is Utah, the schedule is convenient, and even if there is one company back and forth there are discounts (it’s more expensive to fly than the world’s times 1,5-2 more), but they have SUCH a park ....


                Sergey. I agree. I flew Tayrom once ... well, it was necessary to urgently go to the Syzran school, directly to the edge ....... I don’t go anymore to a cannon shot ..... to this company! +!
                steam engine .. the sweetest thing, well, to hell with it. that almost a day with a tail. but ...... on the sleepers, not .....! hi
                1. FID
                  FID 29 September 2012 17: 22
                  +2
                  + No, I'm used to it in the air, I don’t sleep on the train at all. I'll try to phone with Alexander (alex241). Maybe that will advise.
                2. Satanail
                  Satanail 29 September 2012 23: 00
                  0
                  At speeds above 90, a train passenger is injured ... Aviation is safer by statistics. He flew more than once to Kaliningrad, got into a thunderstorm once, did not even shake. I was in turbulence, and still prefer a plane.
          3. Recon
            Recon 29 September 2012 22: 01
            0
            Perhaps I will surprise you, but the pay in BB is lower than in the army. At least in the part where my friend serves.
  6. Rezun
    Rezun 29 September 2012 09: 45
    +2
    In this situation, I do not see any contradictions!
    Former president carried out "his" line and demanded loyalty and subordination from his subordinates.Current president does the same.
    Some areas of foreign and domestic policy have changed — what follows from this?Voters made a choice in favor of these changes, and government officials are required to comply instructions of the president who proposed these changes! And do not look for a black cat in a dark room ...
  7. ifafhtdbx
    ifafhtdbx 29 September 2012 09: 51
    -7
    Vladimir Vladimirovich is primarily a patriot and cannot, as I think, allow a gap between the power structures and the people, and even more so their opposition. He is right. It is impossible to sacrifice the interests of a power for the sake of the benefits of various sectors of society.
  8. krutishka
    krutishka 29 September 2012 09: 52
    -1
    volcano,
    totally agree with him. Very well expressed. We will wait for the end of the year and look at the ruling tandem. yes
  9. Hedgehog
    Hedgehog 29 September 2012 10: 00
    +5
    Bayrath - +++! At the very bull's eye!
    Yeltsin changed prime ministers and what ??? What has radically changed in his politics? If the motor jams, replacing the wheels is unlikely to significantly change the situation for the better, but we will have new wheels)))
  10. maxiv1979
    maxiv1979 29 September 2012 10: 00
    +4
    the usual ruling) people are led and okay)
    1. bachast
      bachast 29 September 2012 14: 19
      +2
      This is a generally interesting topic. I have a relationship with Gazprom and I could write a lot of interesting things here (in particular about myself). But unfounded is not very beautiful ...
  11. Indigo
    Indigo 29 September 2012 10: 08
    +6
    As for me, VVP is the Great Chess Player of the World. intuition, foresight and the ability to wait, to strike with "someone else's" hands and at the same time to be on the sidelines, the ability and desire to keep the word under any circumstances, and I do not quite agree that the so-called conflict is not a game with known final expected results GDP only ...
  12. Kapitanyuk
    Kapitanyuk 29 September 2012 10: 29
    +2
    Oh my God, yes there is no tandem = _ \, it broke up after the government of Ayfoni surrendered Libya to be torn to pieces by the NATO fascists.
  13. maxiv1979
    maxiv1979 29 September 2012 10: 45
    +4
    Quote: Indigo
    As for me, VVP is the Great Chess Player of the World. intuition, foresight and the ability to wait, to strike with "someone else's" hands and at the same time to be on the sidelines, the ability and desire to keep the word under any circumstances, and I do not quite agree that the so-called conflict is not a game with known final expected results GDP only ...


    GDP is an ordinary purchase puppet, many (but not all) can push the right bazaars with a smart look, but to make real not on petrodolars, but on people, their potential, there may be units and they are not in power
    1. MI-AS-72
      MI-AS-72 29 September 2012 11: 58
      +3
      I support, the ideology of building a society, an economy, the relationship between the people and the government has not changed since 1992, when it was not Yeltsin, but the Gaidar (looking at the owner of the money) announced to us the principles of building statehood:
      1. creating a labor market, read unemployment;
      2. raw material development of the economy, we will buy and fly everything else on Boeing,
      3. education, medicine is paid. for free is bad, and the school should not educate anyone ..
      4. making money is a priority for the development of society.
      5. let everyone, be a little bandits, the next generation of those who survive and earn in this way, build Russia in the 21st century, a new and prosperous well and so on. Remember, so that nothing in the strategic plan does not change.
    2. volcano
      volcano 29 September 2012 12: 40
      +2
      Quote: maxiv1979
      GDP ordinary purchase puppet


      Well, not tired of pouring water, huh?
      I understand some kind of healthy criticism .... built on facts .... analysis there ....

      just screaming all the corrupt and all the puppets is unproductive ..... the facts in the studio sir.
      1. MI-AS-72
        MI-AS-72 29 September 2012 13: 39
        +7
        Can I try to answer you, and the facts are this or my invention, answer for yourself :.
        Scientists name 6 reasons for the collapse of the greatest Roman Empire:
        • Excessively inflated and corrupt bureaucracy.
        • A striking stratification of society into rich and poor.
        • The inability for ordinary citizens to achieve justice in court.
        • Neglect and underfunding of the army and navy.
        • Indifference of the capital to the province that feeds it.
        • Coalescence of spiritual and secular power, their unification in the person of the emperor.
        By “knowing things,” these same problems arose in Russia, especially critically from Yeltsin’s rule, then the GDP came and not only didn’t struggle with it, but exacerbated them even more, although it would seem that it interferes with gas prices, a dream , the opposition in the ass is the people of Za, so that in whose interests he works the question is open.
        1. GP
          GP 29 September 2012 13: 55
          0
          Quote: MI-AS-72
          opposition in the ass people behind


          I heard many times, but I did not see a single one. Those who ran in the swamp are not opposition - these are clowns. In a pair of power - the opposition is neither, that good-evil, right-wrong, good-bad. In your opinion, a power-opposition couple is being compared as two horses harnessed to the cart from different sides - pull. Well, I think that a pair of power-opposition are two horses harnessed on the one hand. They do not oppose each other, there is a left and a right, but they always move in the same direction and get the same from the people.
          How many do not pound power, if the opposition pulls in the opposite direction it will be like Krylov’s. The task of the authorities is to pull the strap, the opposition is to support and correct.

          In the case of the article, if we consider in the above vein: Power - Putin, the opposition - Medvedev. Those that organized marches are troublemakers.
        2. volcano
          volcano 29 September 2012 15: 01
          +3
          MI-AS-72,
          Firstly, it applies to any empire.
          Secondly, the larger the country, the larger the bureaucracy
          Thirdly, the rich and the poor will always and everywhere. that is human nature.
          Fourth, the underfunding of the Army and Navy is not a complete disaster for the current government. They all buried in the 90s, and now with financing it is more or less normal. The problem is competent distribution and reformism. But this is a separate conversation.
          Fifth. In any country in the world and at all times, the capital stood apart and rowed for itself. If you know nasty examples, then give.
          At sixth. I do not see emperors here (to my deep regret). In my opinion, the monarchy is the most optimal way of the human device. Again, you can give another example, please.
          In the seventh. The fact that the leadership of the country went to church (for the sake of fashion or we sincerely don’t know for sure) still does not mean the merging of secular and religious authorities. If there are facts, bring.

          Well, the last. Of course there are problems ... and there are a lot of them .... whether Putin will be able to overcome them, I don’t know if anyone other than him will be able to be sure at all, we do not yet have figures that can be compared with him.
          And finally ... the crisis in the country erupted in the second half of the 80s ... that is. For 15 years, the country fell apart and bent ..... But we still stand, and even gaining our former power ... so I think it's not very easy to work ... to drag a hippopotamus out of a swamp .... there is no magic wand ... instantly nothing changes ... you have to live and work ....

          We all of course certainly know how best .... especially if with a friend in the kitchen, but a glass of tea ... so eh ....... we know for sure ....
          I believe that when there is a criticism of the authorities, it is necessary to criticize objectively and to the point ..... when there is a criticism of Putin, again it is necessary to criticize him precisely as the PRESIDENT of the COUNTRY, who is engaged in global things, and not to abuse him if the elevator is pissed. ......
          So, of course, there are considerable problems, but I wouldn’t like to label the traitor and the puppet like that.
          1. FID
            FID 29 September 2012 15: 57
            +4
            I may be wrong, but the last law on insulting the feelings of believers ... this is not a sign of fusion, and the "Black Hundred" is not far away, don't you think?
          2. Recon
            Recon 29 September 2012 22: 05
            +1
            and do not blaspheme it if it is pissed in the elevator .......


            this is the main problem of narrow-minded comrades: Putin is to blame for everything, as the last resort.
        3. Indigo
          Indigo 29 September 2012 18: 42
          +2
          You forgot the most important point - debauchery, pid ... sy, bl..di, moral decline - all this "ate" the empire from the middle. And now the "very smart" are trying to sell something similar ...
  14. pasha1180
    pasha1180 29 September 2012 10: 58
    +2
    Introduce indicative arrests and real terms for financial fraud in the economic sphere, which reduce the income of taxes of large monopolists, and fix profits, such as Gazprom, which receive money from the country's population for gas, at no more than 3%, and withdraw all money in excess of this profit in favor of state, as well as to ensure that they do not deduce this difference in the costs of the enterprise through the purchase of luxury and other inefficiently used property.
    In general, it would be nice to create a country’s economic security service that would really inspect such monopolistic giants as Gazprom and have a number of other functions.
  15. Alex65
    Alex65 29 September 2012 11: 11
    +2
    there is little gas in Europe, LNG went from Qatar ,,, in the United States 70 dollars per 1 thousand cubic meters, m / 2100-2200 rubles /, for our population 4056 rubles is 1 thousand cubic meters / or 130 dollars ,,, for enterprises more expensive + VAT 18%
  16. dimanf
    dimanf 29 September 2012 11: 38
    -1
    Gas prices in the United States have reached a new record - blue fuel costs about $ 77 per thousand cubic meters here. m. This is about five times cheaper than Russian gas exported to Europe. And four times cheaper than the domestic prices that Gazprom is striving for, insisting on a regime of equal profitability, when not the US prices, but the prices of export deliveries to the EU are taken as a guideline.
    American gas companies - unlike Gazprom - are ready to increase production: in 2011 it grew by 7,9%, in the current growth is expected to grow by another 4,5%. For the Russian monopolist selling gas to Europe at 300-350 dollars per thousand cubic meters, the situation is alarming - from day to day, new claims from partners can be expected.
    The Energy Information Administration of the US Department of Energy recently raised its gas production forecast for 2012, expecting growth by 4,5% compared with the record level of last year. According to the forecast, this year commodity gas production will increase by 3 billion cubic feet per day - up to 1,94 billion cubic meters per day, Reuters reported. Recall that in 2011 US gas production grew by 7,9% - up to 1,85 billion cubic meters per day. In 2011, the United States produced about 5 billion cubic meters more natural gas than in Russia
    More details: http://www.ng.ru/economics/2012-04-13/1_gazprom.html
    1. bairat
      bairat 29 September 2012 11: 57
      +2
      This news is much more important and alarming than the removal of some worthless ministers. If this goes on, I'm afraid our budget will crash.
    2. GP
      GP 29 September 2012 12: 46
      +1
      dimanf
      Stop misleading people.
      Compare comparable consumer prices.
  17. Apollo
    Apollo 29 September 2012 11: 40
    +5
    Handing out the pretzel to the ministers, it was necessary to extradite D.A. Medvedev.
    By and large, V.V. Putin (as the highest official of the executive branch) bears responsibility, the president himself asserted the ministers.
    In my opinion, D. Medvedev did not have much time left as prime minister. He did not pull as president, he does not pull as prime minister. I believe that the prime minister should be an economist and business executive with extensive experience.
    1. MI-AS-72
      MI-AS-72 29 September 2012 12: 04
      +2
      NO and NO, this will never happen, we will not replace the LADIES, this is Chubais only a side view, he was and is a secret overseer of the power in Russia, and LADIES is the personification of the power that rules Russia and which satisfies OTHERS, and GDP is periodic flirting with the electorate about the fact that the government is "Russian", that's all. Whoever makes a profit is the owner of the country, the profit gets a conditional "London", everything is like in business and nothing more.
      1. Apollo
        Apollo 29 September 2012 12: 15
        +1
        Quote: MI-AS-72
        and DAM this is the personification of the power that rules Russia



        You hit me buddy, DAM, nothing at allA lawyer or an investigator can be. He is a performer, no more.! A statesman and politician must think globally, on a large scale and a bit in anticipation of events. As for Chubais, he has great patrons abroad and that’s it.
        1. Karish
          Karish 29 September 2012 12: 21
          +2
          Quote: Apollon
          You hit me buddy, DAM, it’s nothing at all

          I just would like to know, but how did he crawl into the presidency?
          1. Apollo
            Apollo 29 September 2012 12: 25
            +2
            Quote: Karish
            I just would like to know, but how did he crawl into the presidency?


            paraphrasing your question, and how Vladimir Putin became president, so is he.! IMHO
        2. MI-AS-72
          MI-AS-72 29 September 2012 14: 06
          +1
          It is you who amaze me, he is 1-2 people in the state, and you just won't get to the top there, who he was before, and not who in essence. I was not a politician, a manager was never a professional lawyer, it would be better if he was completely silent about it, and suddenly, like the devil jumped out of the snuffbox to the very top, "if the stars are lit, then someone needs it" judge for yourself what he really did positive for Russia and its people, why should we remember him and our descendants? But for our nouveau riche he did a lot, he has them with giblets and in this sense he is the personification of this power, and while she is at the helm, he will steer, the rules of the "game" are as follows.
          1. Apollo
            Apollo 29 September 2012 15: 23
            +3
            MI-AS-72

            The whole trouble of Russia is that neither statesmen nor the opposition think about ordinary people. And the people are Russia .. At one time it was said about the so-called data bank for promotion to government posts and where is this data bank.?! In my opinion, it is necessary start with the choice of the district scale .. So that the population is indifferent to the local district, regional, autonomous elections, it leads to the fact that the same people come to the elections to the State Duma.
            Indifference and disbelief are the main scourge of the country.
            1. Recon
              Recon 29 September 2012 22: 10
              0
              Indifference


              The political passivity of many of our compatriots is a consequence of centuries of uncontested power. First, the monarchy, then 70 years of the Soviet Union. Too little time has passed.
  18. baltika-18
    baltika-18 29 September 2012 11: 42
    +4
    For the most part, the people don’t give a damn about their conflict, of course, of course. It will not affect our life in the outback. The system is built and it works. The whole question is what kind of system it is. The system of destruction of everything and everything, covered by beautiful in words, seeming concern for the population. Take a look at what is happening in the country and think about where we are going.
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 29 September 2012 15: 46
      +2
      Quote: baltika-18
      For the most part, the people don’t give a damn about their conflict, of course, of course. It will not affect our life in the outback. The system is built and it works. The whole question is what kind of system it is. The system of destruction of everything and everything, covered by beautiful in words, seeming concern for the population. Take a look at what is happening in the country and think about where we are going.


      By and large, nowhere. It costs the price per barrel of oil (you paid attention to the country's budget is formed from the price per barrel) collapse, everything will fly and the economy, and after it everything else.! IMHO
      First of all, we should start (but not according to Chubais) with the economy in order to make small sacrifices (like in China, the events on Tianan Myn Square had a sobering effect on the minds of state husbands), after economic reforms, we should move on to the political component. The so-called army reforms The armed forces are one of the pillars of the state. Reforms in the Ministry of Internal Affairs have not led to anything either. I’m silent about education. That is, the reform is not necessary separately,and complex
      Most importantly, until we defeat corruption, all good undertakings will remain on paper.The main points that I would like to outline are economic reforms coupled with a real (and not imaginary) fight against corruption ..
      Reforms have matured (I would even say overripe) for a long time and time is running out.!
      1. Apollo
        Apollo 29 September 2012 18: 43
        0
        In the supplement I wrote

        Ministry of Internal Affairs: Corruption in the North Caucasus threatens national security
        PYATIGORSK, 29 September. In the North Caucasus, the scale of corruption in recent years has become threatening to national security and the country's integrity.
        According to the message of the Directorate of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia for the North Caucasus Federal District, the state authorities and local self-government continue to remain the most susceptible to corruption in recent years, especially in the areas of distribution and spending of budget funds, including those allocated for the implementation of national projects and targeted programs, allocation of land sites, as well as education and health.
        On the territory of the North Caucasus Federal District, for 8 months of 2012, 1 thousand 665 crimes of corruption were recorded, of which 1 thousand 581 crimes were detected by the economic security and anti-corruption units of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Main Directorate of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia of the constituent entities of the okrug, and 1 thousand of them were initiated. 202 criminal cases.
        Of the identified crimes of this category - 994 grave and especially grave; 295 are made in large or especially large sizes.
        The damage caused by the criminal proceedings for corruption-related crimes ended in more than 548 million rubles.
        This year, the divisions for economic security and anti-corruption of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Main Directorate of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia of the constituent entities of the district revealed 174 crimes under the article "bribe taking"
        More details: http://www.rosbalt.ru/federal/2012/09/29/1040211.html

        only in the North Caucasus ?!
  19. Samsebenaum
    Samsebenaum 29 September 2012 12: 26
    +2
    I think that all this fuss for simpletons is calculated.
    I do not believe that the election promises of GDP have been put on the shelf.
    Who could disobey GDP?
    Of course, the new government considered them, but financially ensure populist promises are not able to.
    The game is clearly initially built against DAM.
    GDP substitutes DAM, merges its promises onto it and takes it to hell (a matter of time), it will itself come out of the water dry. Everything is simple and predictable.
    Here, some write about the patriotism of the chosen one. It would be honest for the patriot, for a start, the promise to the people to give is really feasible.
  20. anfreezer
    anfreezer 29 September 2012 12: 43
    +1
    "now you have to" rummage through hidden pockets "..." The main thing is that we don’t rummage through our pockets, but how they get into a financial impasse, that’s how it starts (housing and communal services, taxes, etc. ...) They’re masters at that .. Goals, so they set goals (often unrealizable, based only on only at projected (!) energy prices), and we will pay for it .. No, no, gentlemen, oligarchs. you go to the end of the line, first we take from the people .. It is important to change the very principle of mining. Now, while oil is underground, it is the property of the state. But, raised to the surface, for some reason it passes into the hands of private companies. This is unfair! Oil should remain the property of the whole society, and only it should control the profit from its sale. And companies should pay for their work so that they can live and develop normally, rather than distributing super-profits abroad. (Academician of the Russian Academy of Sciences, economist Dmitry Lvov, shortly before his death in 2007). They need to be milked in full, but not once, when he presses, but systemically, so to speak according to the schedule lol . since it is not possible to radically change the state’s relations with the owners of mining companies.
    1. Samsebenaum
      Samsebenaum 29 September 2012 12: 59
      +2
      Quote: anfreezer
      The main thing is not to rummage through our pockets ...


      So this is the "visiting card" of our leadership.
      By this parameter, we are far ahead of the rest of the planet.

      We are modern slaves in the eyes of the powerful of this world, therefore, first of all, three skins will be removed from us, and then ... more and more.
    2. GP
      GP 29 September 2012 13: 03
      0
      Quote: anfreezer
      It is important to change the very principle of mining. Now, while oil is underground, it is the property of the state. But, raised to the surface, for some reason it passes into the hands of private companies. This is unfair! Oil should remain the property of the whole society, and only it should control the profit from its sale. And companies should pay for their work so that they can live and develop normally, rather than distributing super-profits abroad. (Academician of the Russian Academy of Sciences, economist Dmitry Lvov, shortly before his death in 2007). Well, the words of academicians for our government have always been an empty phrase


      This is me - a simple layman - I can say this without being a specialist: justice, someone owes something, etc. From the lips of the academician - this is pure populism, an empty phrase. Where analysis, conclusions, solutions are his work as an economist and his vocation as an academician.
  21. Geton
    Geton 29 September 2012 13: 03
    +2
    And for the ghosts, dear yearners, Vova’s need to pay: they want to tax the maternal capital in the regions

    28.09.12/12/12 910:XNUMX mk.ruXNUMXSECTION: BUBBLE CUT

    The state can earn on large families in the province. The Ministry of Finance calculated that 13% of income tax should be taxed on regional maternity capital.

    Neither families, nor the budgets of the regions where the PIT is going to benefit from the decision: simply the regions will have to increase the amount of subsidies by the same 13%.

    After the birth of a second child, Russian families have the right to receive maternity capital. In the regions, in addition to federal payments, there are also own subsidies. According to the current legislation, federal maternity capital (in 2012 it amounts to 387,6 thousand rubles, in 2013 the amount will exceed 408 thousand rubles) is not taxed.

    However, recipients of regional grants may miss 13% of local payments. This is evidenced by the response of the Ministry of Finance to a request from the Arkhangelsk region.

    The ministry of Anton Siluanov considered that since family capital funds (the Arkhangelsk region was mentioned as an example) are not federal budget funds, their recipient will not be able to use the benefit of clause 34 of article 217 of the Tax Code. It is this rule that allows recipients of maternity capital not to pay income tax on it. Now in Arkhangelsk, where the amount of payments to mothers for the third child is 50 thousand rubles, the family will pay 6,5 thousand personal income tax.
    http://shturmnovosti.com/view.php?id=44303
    1. lelikas
      lelikas 29 September 2012 15: 13
      +5
      And what else to expect from the servants of the people ??? Last night, I turned on the radio in the kitchen — they want to raise their retirement age — more people will pay deductions and get less gray money — right, let real men die right away at work, they won’t significantly raise their budget employees in the next 1,5 years — my wife was very happy - at her in a children's clinic zp 10 tr at the head 75 t, r - maybe not everyone needs to raise, but for those who have less ??
      Something else was funny, but forgot ....
      And then the tandem breaks up - bidida ....
    2. Apollo
      Apollo 29 September 2012 16: 17
      0
      Quote: Geton
      The ministry of Anton Siluanov considered that since family capital funds (the Arkhangelsk region was mentioned as an example) are not federal budget funds, their recipient will not be able to take advantage of the benefit of paragraph 34 of article 217 of the Tax Code.


      If they want to replenish the state budget, let the so-called servants of the people replenish from their own pockets. By the way, where is the draft law on luxury.?!There would be a law and then there would be no dependence on the price of oil!IMHO ..
  22. Raiven
    Raiven 29 September 2012 13: 57
    +3
    you need to arrange dispossession of your bourgeoisie, urgently! angry
  23. anfreezer
    anfreezer 29 September 2012 15: 05
    +1
    GP "From the lips of an academician - this is pure populism, an empty phrase. Where analysis, conclusions, solutions are his work as an economist, and his vocation as an academician." I just took a quote that reflects the general meaning of the article .. Here, read, if not lazy .. You will find there for yourself and "for" and "against":kp.ru ›daily / 23839/62187 /
  24. GP
    GP 29 September 2012 15: 47
    +1
    Quote: anfreezer
    GP "From the mouth of an academician - this is pure populism, an empty phrase. Where analysis, conclusions, solutions are his work as an economist, and his vocation as an academician." I just took a quote that reflects the general meaning of the article .. Here, read, if not lazy .. You will find there for yourself and "for" and "against"

    Link itself
    http://www.kp.ru/daily/23839/62187/

    I was even more convinced of what was said.
    "If now we declare the fight against poverty and a presidential decree or a government decision to increase the incomes of citizens, then for the poor they will grow by 1 ruble, and for the rich automatically - by 8 rubles." What is but populism?

    He really should know from what sources the incomes of the poor and rich are generated. In a nutshell: the poor from their own labor, the rich from the exploitation of labor, and an increase in the cost of labor does not automatically entail profitability from the exploitation of labor, rather the opposite. But he pretty cleverly juggles with numbers.
    Thanks for the link hi .
  25. anfreezer
    anfreezer 29 September 2012 16: 42
    0
    Paul, well maybe populism is somewhere here .. I’m looking at my own (economically not quite literate wink ) belfries. For me personally, for example, even a progressive taxation scale, even flat (the specifics of the work, you know). But I am for a progressive tax, if only because the poor have paid all their life taxes from their pennies and earned a reduction of at least 5 percent. The rich, for the rest of their lives, have evaded taxes and will continue to be. Reasons such as the fact that the state cannot cope with the accounting of the incomes of the entire population should not exist at all. Declaring the inability to keep such records, the state speaks of its own worthlessness. And you, Pavel, it seems, like from a large city where the high cost of life is comparable to Moscow, however, like salaries, and maybe even from a large company ... You have a progressive tax, like .... well, not ice, it's for sure .. Well .... "Suum cuique", to each his own hi .
  26. bask
    bask 29 September 2012 18: 57
    0
    The article is good. But I don’t agree with the conclusions. In Russia, everything depends on the will of the president. The people will want it to be 100%. In this case, nothing to do with it. Cardiac actions are necessary, it’s time, “chatter”, has passed. Or political, economic, judicial modernization, or the oil and gas banana republic.
  27. bask
    bask 29 September 2012 20: 02
    0
    PS Yes, as long as the political system in Russia is based on neo-Darwinism. ,,, Depressed, the company of a man and a patient on ,, street ,, Nothing in that country can change for the better with any tandem!
  28. Cold
    Cold 29 September 2012 20: 23
    +2
    Vladimir Putin himself set a very difficult task, which, one way or another, rests on the "fatness" of the federal budget. France raised taxes for millionaires and corporations So, citizens who earn more than 1 million euros a year, starting in 2013 will have to pay 75% of all their financial revenues over one million to the treasury
    http://www.rbcdaily.ru/2012/07/05/world/562949984250615
    Here is where to take an example. It would be easier for the budget and joy at heart drinks
  29. bask
    bask 29 September 2012 20: 35
    0
    But what prevents the president from reducing in Russia taxes for the poor to 1% and for the rich to increase. as in France 75% And took the money to the upshore prison.!
    1. GP
      GP 29 September 2012 20: 42
      -1
      Quote: bask
      But what prevents the president from reducing in Russia taxes for the poor to 1% and for the rich to increase. as in France 75% And took the money to the upshore prison.!


      That on paper in Russia there will be only beggars. And at least a tuft of wool from a black sheep fellow
      1. MI-AS-72
        MI-AS-72 29 September 2012 22: 51
        +1
        Or maybe it’s easier to ban the export of capital abroad.
    2. FID
      FID 29 September 2012 20: 44
      +3
      Yes, nothing bothers! In addition to one small thing, And who will apply such laws, is it really our Duma? So they have all the money in offshore!
      1. Cold
        Cold 29 September 2012 20: 54
        0
        A bill was introduced to the State Duma on Wednesday, August 1, prohibiting civil servants and security officials from having assets and real estate abroad. ITAR-TASS reports. The authors of the bill were representatives of all four parliamentary factions: Vyacheslav Lysakov and Valery Trapeznikov (United Russia), Andrei Lugovoy (LDPR), Alexander Ageev (Fair Russia) and Oleg Denisenko (Communist Party of the Russian Federation).

        According to Lysakov, the "principled point of view" of the All-Russian Popular Front (ONF) is that all civil servants, including State Duma deputies and members of the Federation Council, should not have the right to open accounts and own property and securities abroad. "It will not work to be 'with one foot' here in Russia and the other abroad, this is wrong," Lysakov stressed.

        According to the initiator of the bill, various services will monitor the implementation of the new law, including Rosfinmonitoring, the FSB and the economic security units of the relevant law enforcement agencies. The maximum punishment for a violator of the law will be ten million rubles in fine or five years in prison with the deprivation of the right to occupy certain positions for up to three years. In addition, the document recorded a ban on the acquisition of foreign property and securities for three years after the resignation of a civil servant from his post.

        Earlier, the spoross boss Ilya Ponomarev also announced the preparation of a bill regarding the accounts and property of Russian officials abroad. According to the bill of Ponomarev, the investigating authorities will have to check any official or deputy who keeps more than 50 percent of his savings in accounts with foreign banks to make sure that this person is not acting in the interests of foreign states.

        In addition, on July 26, "Vedomosti" wrote that in the near future United Russia will submit to the State Duma a bill that will oblige deputies, senators and governors to report on real estate abroad. what Will it be effective HZ)
        1. FID
          FID 29 September 2012 21: 07
          +2
          The bill has been submitted, yes, we will wait for it to be adopted. And if they don’t accept ...
        2. d.gksueyjd
          d.gksueyjd 29 September 2012 23: 41
          +1
          Quote: Cold
          introduced a bill prohibiting civil servants and security officials from having assets and real estate
          Well, what prohibits these stolen assets from being transferred to relatives! The adoption of this law ER is profanity, "Stop the thief! The thief shouts the loudest. There is an elementary calculation of income and expenses. If expenses exceed income, the difference is stolen from the state (people). Such an official should sit in prison, and not occupy a leading position."
  30. anfreezer
    anfreezer 29 September 2012 20: 55
    0
    bask "The company of a person and a sick person has pressed on the ,, street ,," Man is only one of the species animals. As a product of the material causes of random mutations and natural selection, we do not have an intangible soul. The postulate of neo-Darwinism .. It seems that this is the main thing in the policy of our authorities ..
    1. GP
      GP 29 September 2012 23: 43
      +1
      Quote: anfreezer
      Man is just one type of animal. As a product of the material causes of random mutations and natural selection, we do not have an intangible soul. The postulate of neo-Darwinism .. It seems that this is the main thing in the policy of our authorities ..


      If we had descended from certain animals and they knew what they would turn into, they would never have climbed down from the trees.
      For many millennia, many organisms coexist next to man, but not one shows a glimpse of the mind. By the way, this is one of the counterarguments against Darwinism. Darwin's theory is good for laying down the evolution of animals, but is limping on both legs in relation to humans.
      And if the authorities have the main thing - the evolutionary path of development, then this can only be welcomed. The times of hard times after the revolutions are pretty witty.
  31. bask
    bask 29 September 2012 21: 25
    0
    On paper, this is one thing, but ,,, cranked sheep ,, are nurses, technicals in schools., Clerk, doctors, etc. ,,, And he evaded taxes for 100 years strictly. The President will give a thought thought will answer. Or someone will say no. The will of one president.!

    PS SSI you are a smart person, you understand rockets. WHAT IT SAYS AND TAKES! No questions.
  32. MI-AS-72
    MI-AS-72 29 September 2012 21: 28
    +3
    Volkan
    Firstly, it applies to any empire.
    Not for anyone, for example, the USSR passed its elite along with the 5th column inside the country.
    Secondly, the larger the country, the larger the bureaucratic apparatus.
    There were fewer officials in the USSR.
    Thirdly, the rich and the poor will always and everywhere. that is human nature.
    It’s not true, I didn’t write about this, when 10% of the population owns 98% of the country's wealth and does not invest in the country, such a country will not last long.
    Fourth, the underfunding of the Army and Navy is not a complete disaster for the current government. They all buried in the 90s, and now with financing it is more or less normal. The problem is competent distribution and reformism. But this is a separate conversation.
    It doesn’t matter, it’s a crime, and we need to talk about it, but financing will be normal when a year it will rearm with new equipment of the division, not the regiment.
    Fifth. In any country in the world and at all times, the capital stood apart and rowed for itself. If you know nasty examples, then give.
    Washington, for example.
    At sixth. I do not see emperors here (to my deep regret). In my opinion, the monarchy is the most optimal way of the human device. Again, you can give another example, please.
    Nonsense about the emperor, although according to the authority of the GDP, the monarch is already “cooler” than I want, I turn over and no one decides to him. Germany, for example, or the USSR, everything suited me there compared to today's Russia.
    In the seventh. The fact that the leadership of the country went to church (for the sake of fashion or we sincerely don’t know for sure) still does not mean the merging of secular and religious authorities. If there are facts, bring.
    I can give an example, but I will not do this atheist, however.
    Well, the last. Of course there are problems ... and there are a lot of them .... whether Putin will be able to overcome them, I don’t know if anyone other than him will be able to be sure at all, we do not yet have figures that can be compared with him.
    It was he who created a system in which decent people can’t make themselves known, and all kinds of crap, maybe swampy for example.
    And finally ... the crisis in the country erupted in the second half of the 80s ... that is. For 15 years, the country fell apart and bent ..... But we still stand, and even gaining our former power ... so I think it's not very easy to work ... to drag a hippopotamus out of a swamp .... there is no magic wand ... instantly nothing changes ... you have to live and work ....
    It is necessary, but only, not to make us suckers, we understand everything and see that from DAM the president or prime minister is like a ballerina from milkmaid.
    We all of course certainly know how best .... especially if with a friend in the kitchen, but a glass of tea ... so eh ....... we know for sure ....
    I don’t drink, don’t smoke, as before, with age restrictions I can go through the VLK, my friends are the same. I am not torn to the presidency, to the deputies, too, what is the best and what is best for me personally and for Russia I know and he knows, just doesn’t do why, cannot or does not want to?
    I believe that when there is a criticism of the authorities, it is necessary to criticize objectively and to the point ..... when there is a criticism of Putin, again it is necessary to criticize him precisely as the PRESIDENT of the COUNTRY, who is engaged in global things, and not to abuse him if the elevator is pissed. ......
    Where I live in elevators, they don’t piss, and I did not write about it, this is just your horizons, but this does not concern me.
    So, of course, there are considerable problems, but I wouldn’t like to label the traitor and the puppet like that.
    Of course, you are right in this, only I did not choose him, I did not swear allegiance to him personally, I did not hang up labels, I simply expressed my opinion, read carefully
    1. d.gksueyjd
      d.gksueyjd 29 September 2012 23: 29
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      The point is not non-financing, but HOW THESE FINANCES ARE EXPENDED, if the government reports that 1/3 of the budget is being stolen, then the real figure is more than 1/2. Until the thief is in prison, this will continue. Currently, the Russian Federation has double standards of law: for the people, for officials and thieves. Where is a real term for a citizen of the Russian Federation for violating the law, a suspended sentence or a term for an official and his relatives. the case is "going through"
      A change in the law is necessary: ​​in addition to fines - COMPLETE COMPENSATION FOR DAMAGE, prohibition to hold hands. positions (not only in government structures). Now the state itself is pushing officials into a crime; it has stolen 10 rubles. - Sentence: 000 rubles fine and 000 g. colony settlement, the result - 500 percent fat over 000g.
      MESS
  33. bask
    bask 29 September 2012 21: 46
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    MI-AS-72, I completely agree with you, But a single mother earned 6 thousand rubles. The tax is 12%, which will receive. X ..... 1% tax for such people. .all the question of the survival of the nation.
  34. anfreezer
    anfreezer 29 September 2012 21: 54
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    "Man is just one of the animal species." Do you consider yourself an animal ...!? I’m just saying that neh .... to measure us under this bar !!!
  35. bask
    bask 29 September 2012 23: 48
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    anhreezer, that you periclinely on these animals. We are talking about still living people. About neo-Darwinism, I understand you agree. But about what level and whom I was going to measure it. It is not clear. Speak clearer. Formulate a thought.
  36. suharev-52
    suharev-52 30 September 2012 03: 03
    +1
    Something is gnawing at me by doubt. All this seems to me a game to the public. But what goals are pursued by this game, this is a big question. Sincerely.
  37. Magadan
    Magadan 30 September 2012 07: 24
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    Quote: suharev-52
    All this seems to me a game to the public. But what goals are pursued by this game, this is a big question. Sincerely.

    In my opinion, also a game of a good and evil investigator.
    And at the expense of the budget - so I already cited an example with the same police in one post. On her, dear, the state spends more than 1 trillion. in year. We have three times more police officers per capita than in the USA. Perhaps the government believes that our police are three times worse than the US. That is, if someone at the top did not think so about their own police, then they would spend money somewhere in the range of 500-700 billion rubles less! Can you imagine saving only on one police ?!
    Let us recall about our roads for $ 17 million per 1 km (about 7 million in Europe) and the fact that our bureaucrats are now 2.5 times more per capita than in the USSR.
    This is what our managers and typesetters of Russian destinies need to ask. We need not only peppy reports on how much money was allocated and spent, but first of all, how does the share of GDP on the state apparatus grow / decrease, how does the share of resources in GDP grow / decrease, and how does the minimum real wage grow. It is a shame when the nanny in the garden receives 3000 rubles, and the bureaucrat from the city administration is more than 300 thousand. And there is no need to ring out that there is no money. Reduce the state apparatus with the police and there will be many times more money. At the same time, business will earn better, because there will be no one to nightmare it. But here, the rulers hold everyone for stupid cattle, so at every step there are checks, pieces of paper, intimidation and prohibitions.
  38. anfreezer
    anfreezer 30 September 2012 08: 27
    +1
    baskMaybe a little late, but I will answer. that in no way my emotions were about you .. Somehow the policy of our authorities neatly lays down next to the theory you mentioned .... wink
  39. darkman70
    darkman70 30 September 2012 10: 44
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    About the number of officials per capita:
    in France - 71,7, in the USA - 70,4, in Japan - 33,4, in Norway - 24,7, in South Korea - 18,5. In Russia in the 2006 year there were 1,46 million officials at various levels, so the 1000 Russians accounted for a little more than 10 officials

    About the final gas price for consumers:
    Russia - 103 $ per thousand cubic meters,
    USA - 523 $ per thousand cubic meters

    This is so for objectivity.)
    1. bairat
      bairat 30 September 2012 11: 35
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      Quote: darkman70
      About the final gas price for consumers:
      Russia - 103 $ per thousand cubic meters,

      judging by the listing of the rent, I pay 4.1 rubles for a cube. translated $ 133 per thousand cubic meters. where is the information from usa?
      1. darkman70
        darkman70 30 September 2012 11: 57
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        where is the information from usa?

        http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/22847/
        1. bairat
          bairat 30 September 2012 15: 21
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          a familiar site, people also referred to it and were put to shame. the program doesn’t lie as much as on this site.
          1. darkman70
            darkman70 30 September 2012 18: 19
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            don't lie how much on this site

            Not true. Well, why write nonsense? And coming up with some people is also not worth it. The site is pro-Putin, but the information there is objective., Only facts and statistics from reliable sources. The specifics of the site are as follows. It's just that, as I understand it, the truth is not of interest to you.
            1. bairat
              bairat 30 September 2012 19: 46
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              Like when there was a debate about the production of goods, they poked me on this site, they say, see how much we have produced. He began to carefully study the resource, tears welling up from the assortment. In addition to the fact that some manufacturers are repeating themselves, and half do not relate to consumer goods at all, there as an achievement were presented a TV with a radiation tube and a washing machine of the most primitive design. A pro-Putin site, and that’s it. We loudly puff out our cheeks and portray vigorous activity.

              To make hasty conclusions and hang up labels is that the usual form of communication on the forum?
  40. AK-74-1
    AK-74-1 30 September 2012 15: 11
    -1
    The Government of Russia at many levels employs people who have acquired this or that knowledge during the time of the liberal bacchanalia and have too vague ideas about the rational functioning of the country. This circle of officials directly or indirectly sabotages real development.
    Moreover, the real obstacles to development are legislative regulation of the economy, expressed in the fact that the Central Bank of the Russian Federation should be the ultimate creditor. So far, such steps have been taken solely on the basis of isolated political decisions. And such solutions should be economically standard.
    Here it is necessary to indicate the need to develop its own electronic payment system.
    The next important step should be a real understanding of your own real assets (subsoil, people, etc.) and costs should not be estimated in dollars, yens or Kuwaiti dinars, but in the amount of time spent on developing and the number of resources spent.
    And the last targeted policy to increase their own fertility, not fertility due to migrants from Central Asia, namely due to the existing indigenous population of Russia.
    All talk about the differences between Putin and Medvedev is an attempt to split the elite. Thinking people understand that the punishment of ministers is not connected with the political opposition of these ministers, but with their own stupidity. With his public rebuke, Putin showed everyone in the country who was the boss in the house.
    Thoughts about Mr. Medvedev’s own opinion when resolving the main issues of the country's development I personally cause a smile.
  41. AleksUkr
    AleksUkr 30 September 2012 17: 45
    +1
    TANDEM - this is some kind of activity in which 2 people participate, performing a task / work due to common efforts, or in the case of one second training.

    KATAMARAN - Double hull vessel. The hulls of the vessel are connected from above by a bridge


    WE RULE WHO - CATAMARAN OR TANDEM? AND WHAT FOR RUSSIA FOR THEM?