Western experts compared the Kyiv garrison with a chess piece in a difficult situation

_{Captured Ukrainian soldiers}

The American Institute for the Study of Military Conflicts continues to publish its assessments of what is happening in Ukraine. In the latest publication of the summary, the state of affairs near Kiev is considered. At the same time, the summary turned out to be extremely contradictory.

So, first it is said that Russian troops are regrouping to the north-west of Kyiv, being with advanced units in the Irpin area (a suburb of Kyiv). This is despite the fact that a few days ago the Ukrainian General Staff claimed that the RF Armed Forces were allegedly “thrown back 70 km” from the Ukrainian capital - almost to the border of Belarus. Realizing that he was broadcasting an outright lie, the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine further, as if nothing had happened, himself announced the battles in the Irpen region, in fact disavowing his own report on the alleged Russian retreat.

The aforementioned American institute also, apparently, decided to keep up with the Ukrainian General Staff, and switched to reports, which, as already noted, contradict each other. Having issued a message that the Russian Armed Forces were preparing for an attack on Kyiv, the same institute announced the transition of hostilities "to a static character." Both sides, as noted, are not conducting any offensive actions at the moment. In addition, it is reported that Russian troops "deployed a command post" north of Kyiv.

Meanwhile, military experts in Europe have suggested that at this stage, Russia "may focus on creating a large military base near Kiev, in order to keep both the Kyiv garrison and the Ukrainian political authorities in constant tension." It is noted that in this case, a large grouping of Ukrainian troops in the Kiev region will be shackled by the very presence of Russian troops a few kilometers from the Ukrainian capital. An attempt to transfer units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to any other direction will open the entrance to Kyiv for the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. Western experts note that the Kyiv garrison, having fallen into a difficult situation, turns into a piece on a chessboard, which must either attack with the threat of complete defeat, or remain in place and “watch” how pieces of the same color from this board gradually disappear.

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[Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov]

Western experts compared the Kyiv garrison with chess piececaught in a difficult situation -

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[NIKN]

Quote: Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov

- With a pawn on the billiard table...

What would you do with a pawn on the billiard table? right with irritation I would throw it in the trash, but most importantly, they would express displeasure to the owner of the billiard club for such a mess.

[usr01]

In chess, this position is called a stalemate.
in the case of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, such a position is "cancer" ...

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: usr01

In chess, this position is called a stalemate.

Rather, it is zugzwang, a position in chess in which any move by a player leads to a deterioration in his position.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: ROSS 42

Quote: usr01

In chess, this position is called a stalemate.

Rather, it is zugzwang, a position in chess in which any move of the player leads to a deterioration of his position.

To parse a position, in which the Ukrainian army ended up, it is necessary to invite not a chess player, but a proctologist.

[Nat2022]

Slight difference when stalemate no further continuation is possible

[olhon]

Chapai should be played, not chess.

[January]

When playing Chapaev, I remember from childhood, all the pieces just fly off the board with clicks. If you're lucky, there are more of you left. I would like to believe that the times of "women give birth to new ones" are over. I'm glad you're not running the operation.

[kirosi]

times "women give birth to new ones"

that's how you've been brainwashed. Do you know the source? This is a phrase from the movie "Young Russia", by the way, look, a great movie
it is said by one of the then "oligarchs" - a business man, clearly demonstrates the attitude and concept of "state / country for the elite", and not for "cattle" (people"), which should serve (in every sense) bars.
At the end of the 80s, anti-Soviet people threw in as allegedly uttered by Stalin.
By the way, when reading Solzhenitsyn, keep in mind that he himself had never been to the Kolyma, he roamed about sharashkas. Moreover, he was a snitch.

[January]

You have an unhealthy passion for enlightenment and "tearing off the covers" where there are none. You don't have to consider yourself smarter than others. You can make a mistake .
The earliest known source of the phrase is the statement of the Generalissimo of France, Prince Conde: "Une seule nuit de Paris reparera nos perte" (one night in Paris will restore our losses).
It was about unreasonably high losses in the Battle of Freiburg in 1644.
Thanks for the clarification about Stalin, Zhukov and Solzhenitsyn.
The truth is, no one asked you about them.

[kirosi]

you too, thank you. about Conde, I wonder if you can give a source?
I'm wondering: who in Russia knows about Conde? But about the alleged quote of Stalin, rather, it is impossible to find someone who would not hear it. Do you see the difference?

[January]

There are many unconfirmed versions. These words incriminate Zhukov, Stalin, Budyonny, Suvorov, Peter and almost Ivan the Terrible. So the author depends on the imagination .
The first reference to Conde's statement was given in "Kurganov's scribe".
"The book contained a popular exposition of Russian grammar (according to Lomonosov), a reference book on classical mythology, a dictionary of foreign words, collections of historical anecdotes, selected poems by major Russian poets of the 18th century."
P.S. I see the difference, but you are focusing on the wrong

[kirosi]

M-yes, extremely "authoritative" source. about accents: it's not about accents, but about the context, which is capable of completely distorting both the meaning and the ideological framework.
By the way, the reforms of Peter 1, who really did a lot for the Russian state, for the "elite", in many respects were completely and openly hostile towards the Russian people, ordinary "people" and, if you like, we can say that it was Peter who laid the huge mines under Russia: it is with Peter that the full rampant serfdom begins: EXACTLY under Peter, serfs (the Russian people) begin to be traded like cattle. It is from Peter that the GERMANIZATION of the authorities and the Russian elites begins, with all the consequences: up to the fact that the Germans invent the history of Russia: Vikings, Ruriks, etc. (it is on these inventions, in many respects, that the ideology of present-day Ukraine is built).
Stalin, unlike Peter, created and defended the country for the people, and not for the elite.

[January]

If you are not satisfied with the source, look for it yourself or refute it. Your ranting is undeniably more reasoned.
Your knowledge of history is undoubtedly deep, but here, sorry, they are out of place. Yes, in general, they are not interested. The article and the comments below it are not about that.
All the best.

[kirosi]

As for the source, you were wrong to be offended: how can Russian grammar, which is specifically referred to as a collection of anecdotes, serve as a basis for attributing this or that statement to a French politician?
yet again. the important thing is that when we talk about myths that are widely introduced into the public consciousness, the breadth and availability of the source is extremely important. Often, knowing the source is key.
As an example, I can give the following:
I'm sure you've heard the phrase: "what's good for General Motors is good for America" ​​as a mythologization of the principle of common interests of the country and business. This phrase often flashed in the 90s, and was presented as something indisputable.
Those who used this phrase DEFINITELY took it from I. Ansoff's book "Strategic Management", which was published in a wide (!) circulation in the USSR in 1989 (!), but written back in the early 70s (!).
https://royallib.com/read/ansoff_igor/strategicheskoe_upravlenie.html#579327
(chapter 2.5 The firm's strategy in relation to society)
In the book, this phrase is given as an example of ANACHRONISM (!) in relation to the conditions of the USA in the early 70s!
That is, those who manipulated public consciousness in the late 80s and early 90s, using such rhetoric, COULD NOT KNOW how false this premise is, but they actively used it!
This is all about the need to know the sources.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote from kirosi

This is a phrase from the movie "Young Russia", by the way, look, a great movie

By the way, it has nothing to do with historical reality ... So the scriptwriter and director wanted ...

[kirosi]

well, well, maybe you can specify: in what way does this film "have nothing to do with historical reality"?
Of course, the current "creators", who often do not even formally have consultants on historical films, know better and they are, of course, "objective". And the current "historians" are no better than the Germans, who falsified the history of Russia.
Without going too deep, do you, for example, know HOW the Demidov empire was built? The "horrors" of the GULAG, as they are described to you - in comparison with THIS - a kindergarten.

[January]

Don't argue. This is a trap

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: ian

When playing Chapaev, I remember from childhood, all the pieces just fly off the board with clicks. If luckyThere are more of yours left.

I played Chapaev in the pioneer camp. If the first blow is mine, I won without losing my checkers. If the opponent's first move, then the game went on until his first miss.
Without boasting, I just felt the power of the blow well with my fingers.

And "luck" has nothing to do with it.

[2 Level Advisor]

By the way, the comparison is quite appropriate.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Level 2 Advisor

By the way, the comparison is quite appropriate.

After those bombing days, you should have signed the Act of Surrender, not played chess. At least the population did not suffer (although Ze and the government do not think about the population at all).

[2 Level Advisor]

you can’t argue, Vlad .. but in any war, in the entire history of mankind, it is very rare for the commander of the troops to have the interests of ordinary people in the first place, ahead of the battle .. otherwise there would probably have been no wars, so questions would have been resolved .. and Ze - his supporters would hang him up for something - if he quickly surrenders .. he just takes time to surrender saying - "well, they couldn't do it anymore" .. in fact - saving themselves more at the same time ..

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: tihonmarine

After those bombing days had to sign the Instrument of Surrenderinstead of playing chess.

It is necessary to conduct reconnaissance, detect firing points, caches, weapons depots in a specific area (city area) and destroy this Nazi defense in the most effective way (weapons) and no longer participate in negotiations with the Ukrainian false Nazi authorities ...

[GNM]

Something like this - you make a move with the king, then, when necessary, you fucking make castling.

[riwas]

Western experts compared the Kyiv garrison with a chess piece in a difficult situation

Take in a strict ring and hammer with high-precision weapons until most of the firing points are destroyed and the ammunition runs out, you must protect your people

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: riwas

Western experts compared the Kyiv garrison with a chess piece in a difficult situation

Take in a strict ring and hammer with high-precision weapons until most of the firing points are destroyed and the ammunition runs out, you must protect your people

Dills, it is necessary to hammer so that after that they would shit in their pants for half a century and piss at the mention of the words Bandera, Shukhevych and Nezalezhnost.

[host]

You give Yuri Podolyak to the world Western media

[rocket757]

Hi Andrew
Foreign artisans of pen and word, live in their own, ephemeral world ... paid for! not a step to the left, to the right, a jump on the spot, they will immediately give ostracism! or lynch, where as, in short.

[host]

Quote: rocket757

Foreign artisans of pen and word, live in their own, ephemeral world

Victor kind I agree, they have some kind of Looking-Glass in their information field, Alice would probably have gone crazy, but what can we say about ordinary inhabitants.

[rocket757]

So they don’t need an inhabitant, in their right mind ... after all, he will ask uncomfortable questions. Not all and not always, but some part can, can...
And over the answers, then, you have to think, and this is sucking another calico.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: rocket757

not a step to the left, to the right, a jump on the spot, they will immediately give ostracism!

Let's make it clear right away that ostracism is expulsion by popular vote and can be subjected to ...
As for: left, right, left, right - these are adverbs ...
Someone is chasing you, that you deliberately use the rule: as I hear, so I write?

[rocket757]

You can, of course, accept that once in Athens, the people voted and this was of decisive importance ...
Now, it is not uncommon that the primary meaning of this or that word / term is replaced ...
I agree, you need to be more careful, more precise, but, didn’t someone understand what this means?
Mistakes ... in a hurry, did not check, I got a deuce in spelling.

[Egoza]

a large grouping of Ukrainian troops in the Kiev region will be shackled by the very presence of Russian troops a few kilometers from the Ukrainian capital.

The Kyiv garrison is not a pawn for you. They have a choice! Surrender immediately or run away towards the memory.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Egoza

The Kyiv garrison is not a pawn for you. They have a choice! Surrender immediately or run away towards the memory.

The latter, of course, is preferable, and the population will not suffer and the city will be intact. Although "Ze and his team" have long shown that they have no prudence, and brains even more so.
No one knows how long the 3-millionaire stocks of food will last, there is no delivery, logistics does not work. And I realized no one is going to storm it.

[kirosi]

where did you get the idea that there is no supply? The road to Zhytomyr, including railway communication, is completely free.

[tihonmarine]

Quote from kirosi

where did you get the idea that there is no supply? The road to Zhytomyr, including railway communication, is completely free.

So think about what you can drive on it and how much (although everything has been calculated for a long time).

[kirosi]

by railroad? yes, whatever. recently, they even brought in three high-ranking bodies from Europe with a gang of guards: when, all over Kiev, people were generally forbidden to leave their homes for more than a day.

[tihonmarine]

Quote from kirosi

by railroad? yes, whatever. recently, they even brought in three high-ranking European bodies with a gang of guards:

Well, if only the body, then I agree.

[cniza]

or stay in one place and “watch” how the pieces of the same color from this board gradually disappear.

Soared chess players amused ...

[rocket757]

Hi
For the direct participants in such a "game", everything is not very fun, this is one big trouble.

[cniza]

And we warned, persuaded, asked, but they themselves chose ...

[rocket757]

Human nonsense, multiplied by Wishlist, backed up by foreign promises, does to people ... different things, incl. and reverse evolution, into the state of not a person who does not think.

[cniza]

Well, yes, they need a head to eat in it ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: cniza

And we warned, persuaded, asked, but they themselves chose ...

Even a virgin is easier to persuade than "Ze and his team."

[Alexander 3]

What kind of chess is going on? , so banderlogs run away from them, leaving everything. They have few prisoners.

[rocket757]

Western experts note that the Kyiv garrison, once in a difficult situation, turns into a piece on a chessboard, which must either go on the attack with the threat of complete defeat, or remain in place and “watch” how pieces of the same color from this board gradually disappear.

These are terrible games ... they bring misfortune, even radical ones, to those who are directly involved in them.

[cniza]

They have a short memory, but that's their problem...

[rocket757]

Unfortunately, they strive to blame their problems on anyone at all ... but on their opponents in a concentrated form.

[cniza]

So we know this and we will remind you and tell you about the problems ...

[rocket757]

We only kick ourselves, dodge, and let the rest themselves, themselves ....

[st2st]

And the Kyiv garrison understands that, after bullying our captured guys, captured Ukrainian scumbags in the Kiev region. (it doesn’t matter - APU, terbats, or, national battalions) will be few? What hope, frostbitten???

[kirosi]

And what do you think: WHO and why is this filming and uploading? On the one hand, it “involves” all the members of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, who become, as it were, accomplices. That is, EVERY VSUshnik, as it were, is involved in this (and this is actually true, EVERYONE bears his share of responsibility, fighting on the same side with these scum) and understands this. And EVERY VSUshnik understands that for this, in one way or another, he will have to answer: who will stand on ceremony with them after SUCH. And every VSUshnik understands that the further the OTHER way (surrender) to him will not be.

[st2st]

Yes, you are right (unfortunately I don't know your name). Only, bitterness on both sides will only grow. The Russian army will avenge the boys, the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the Terbats, the National Battalions will fight to the last, because they will not be forgiven. In the DPR and LPR, the death penalty for such scum is provided

[sustav75]

The same experts predicted that Russia would take Kyiv in 72 hours! You only need to believe in yourself. To your brains. If they are, of course...

[meandr51]

Any prophecies should be taken as probabilities. It is impossible to predict something exactly, especially in a war. By the way, the General Staff of the Russian Federation has never voiced its intention to take Kyiv in a few days. The troops carried out reconnaissance in force. And heaps of public "experts" drew their own conclusions from this, and then began to turn them into "wins". Chatter all this.

[sustav75]

Good reconnaissance! Why was it necessary to throw SOBRs and AMONs under the outskirts of Kyiv?! Zolotov wanted to report to the Supreme Commander about the capture of Kyiv? And hundreds of our destroyed equipment, as it were, not quite like reconnaissance in force.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: sustav75

and AMONs

And MOUNTAINS, and THOTs, and ANUBIS...

[sustav75]

You have paranoid glitches, my friend, apparently! Try to see a doctor. Ancient Egypt is serious

[Skipper]

Quote: olhon

Chapai should be played, not chess.

Americans know how to play chapai - to wash everything in a row and take out everything that is possible.

[Cosmemedic]

Russia's main enemy is not Ukraine. They are exchange pawns, not slaves. Russia's main mistake will be if we then start political restoration with the West. Then everything would have been done in vain. Never get close to the west! Peter 1 made a mistake

[kirosi]

Did he, Peter, have options? Even such a huge country as the USSR was can lag behind in some ways if it develops in isolation. Participation in the international division of labor is, in general, necessary. Another thing is that one should not be a "global donor" of resources, what has now been done from our country, and in this sense, EVERYTHING that is happening now is FOR GOOD!

[anclevalico]

Don't worry, Medinsky did it. Everything is fine with them! I have no words...

[Karbofoss]

The level of Western "experts" is no higher than the plinth. These "egsperds" will not understand that the forces of the ukrovermacht are specially shackled near Kiev.)))