The first Chinese DKVP "Bison"

September, the portal china-defense.blogspot.com reports, the first Zubr air-cushion landing craft (DKVP) purchased in Ukraine is in the final stages of launching the PLA Navy.

It is reported that China will adopt four ships of this type. It is assumed that a shipyard is being built in China, similar to that located in Feodosia (Ukraine), where the Chinese contract is being executed. Under the terms of the contract, the ship’s drawings must be transferred to the Chinese side for the organization of licensed construction. It is likely that the head DKVP is the very ship on which the production incident occurred at the shipyard in Feodosia.

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[spender]

Ukraine has helped a lot to establish and strengthen the Chinese Navy However, Russia has strengthened China's air defense and aviation ... Yeah, the thirst for profit will destroy us, but Ukraine is not yet dangerous for Ukraine.

[Hans grohman]

Key word "Bye".

[Antipetian 1]

Do not panic!
"Ukraine" guards us and will not let its country be offended!

[raider]

All this looks very sad against the backdrop of a backward, impoverished army

[Yarbay]

Quote: spender

Ukraine has helped a lot to establish and strengthen the Chinese Navy

Today is some Chinese day !!!

[spender]

Quote: Yarbay

Today is some Chinese day !!!

When will the Russian come?

[Odessa]

spender,

When will the Russian come?

To raise the mood.

[Yarbay]

Quote: Odessa

To raise the mood

do not get off now from us)))))))))

[Odessa]

Yarbay,

do not get off now from us)))))))))

How many teapots are you there?

[Yarbay]

Quote: spender

When will the Russian come?

There would be a desire in those in whose hands it is !!

[Odessa]

Yarbay,
I can slightly blur.

[viruskvartirus]

Why? Here's the news ... as for me super ... http: //izvestia.ru/news/536162 there will be "Liana" and in addition "But the time has come when the satellites of the Celina-2 series are outdated. Besides, they are made at the Ukrainian plant "Yuzhmash" In connection with Ukraine's aspirations to NATO, Russia is forced to abandon cooperation with it and, accordingly, from the Ukrainian carrier "Zenith". However, we will purchase Tselina-2 satellites until 2012. Thus, according to the Resolution of the Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine N 1163 of November 27, 2008, signed by Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko, by January 1, 2012, four Tselina devices will be sent to Russia (11F644) "with a set of spare parts and devices".

[spender]

Information flows through the Mistrals a little

Vampir NG search and sighting systems will be installed on Russian Mistrals

28 September 2012, 13: 29

The French company Sagem will produce for the two Russian multi-purpose assault ships of the Mistral type under construction in France, Vampir NG, the company said.

Sagem received the corresponding subcontract for the supply of these systems from the parent contractor for the construction of the UDC for the shipbuilding corporation DCNS, ITAR-TASS reports.

«The first system for installation on board the first ship will be delivered in 2013, the second - in another six months. Now our experts have begun to manufacture a “Russian” order”, Said the representative of Sagem.

ИThe ultra-long-range Vampir NG infrared search and tracking system provides passive round-the-clock panoramic surveillance of surface conditions, automatic detection, tracking and reporting of various types of threats, from anti-ship missiles with a fixed flight path above water to attacking fast ships.

The system has two modes of operation: the “oceanic” mode for long-range observation in the open sea and the “coastal” mode for coastal waters.

В this system is currently installed on warships of various types of navies of France, Italy, the Republic of Korea and Australia.

[nokki]

"... however, China is not dangerous for Ukraine yet ..."

An old joke. 2020 year. Xinhua News Agency report: "More border incidents on the Sino-Romanian border."

[Kars]

Quote: nokki

Regular border incidents on the Sino-Romanian border

Yeah, that means the Russian Federation did not get tired against the Chinese, that even then a nuclear-free state would speak about Ukraine.
Though I like another old joke.
2020. The Chinese are sitting on a map of Moscow, it is all yellow, only one red dot.
--What is it?
- Azerbaijanis defend the vegetable market))))))

[53-Sciborskiy]

Quote: spender

Yeah, the thirst for profit will destroy us,

Once again, I don’t need to arm China, it will come out sideways.

[beech]

everything, in a couple of years these bison will have more than all the ships of the Black Sea Fleet of Russia and Ukraine combined in China!

[AIvanA]

Yes, sorry Ukraine did not help the formation of the Ukrainian Navy.

[Denis]

spender,
Well done Chinese, do not talk about their plans, but do! And Ukraine in its repertoire.

[Antipetian 1]

Ukraine is power! They even have such and such "Zaporizhzha"! I even learned to dive!

[sas]

Well, Ukraine is far from the Russian submarine on the Black Sea ...

[Tirpitz]

Quote: Denis

And Ukraine in its repertoire.

And how many of the latest weapons of the Russian Federation sold to China? So better be quiet, repertoire! minus you.

[Antipetian 1]

Yes! As if there were Ukrainian beech in Georgia! What an absurdity!

[Trailer]

Indeed, the Chinese should love the Khokhlov already for the fact that they practically sold them their entire fleet and are selling the technologies they have! Well, who else is there "For!" joint ventures with Ukraine in ship and aircraft construction?

[White]

You are talking about the J-11 airplane and heard the story of its creation ...
You all notice the specks in the wrong eye, but look at yourself a little how much and what you sold ...

I do not support the fact that they sell everything and even with documents, but enterprises need to live like that.

[Tirpitz]

Quote: Karavan

In truth, the Chinese should love Khokhlov already for the fact that they practically sold them their entire fleet and sell their existing technology

Russia also built them submarines and ships, so they also love Russians, they will soon love the walls of the Kremlin. Yes, and the Kazakhs, too.

[Trailer]

No panic people! Not so much will change in our life! Well, it may come in handy in the future - it’s broken for everyone!

1. Maxim 马克西姆 mǎ kè xī mǔ Ma ke si mu
2. Andrew 安德烈 ān dé liè An de le
3. Eugene 夫 根 尼 yè fū gēn ní E fu gen ni

[killganoff]

They will love in different poses.

[Trailer]

And we give them time, cotton,
And a nuclear fungus!

[killganoff]

Stupid - For! He is for everything that could harm the defense of Russia!

[desava]

They got it !!!! They also sold the Zubr ... Is it really bad with their finances there?

[Kars]

Quote: desava

Also "Zubr" was sold

Can I ask a question? Why not? And even if Ukraine had a lot of money?

[Tirpitz]

Quote: desava

They got it !!!! Also "Zubr" was sold

You armed them much better. Su-30 will be more valuable, especially in such quantities.

[Alexei]

C'mon, you are we ... Cooperating with China, we and you are knocking out a reprieve from a narrow eye with broad interests directed at us. The main thing is that during the postponement period something from the profile resembling the USSR is revived. Otherwise, start cramming the hieroglyphs.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Tirpitz

You armed them much better. Su-30 will be more valuable, especially in such quantities.

Yes, not only the SU 30 is much more than that, ordinary people simply do not want China’s armament and criticism is more likely addressed to the Ukrainian leadership. Although everyone perfectly remembers their own, but ............

[White]

You are talking about the J-11 airplane and heard the story of its creation ...
You all notice the specks in the wrong eye, but look at yourself a little how much and what you sold ...

I do not support the fact that they sell everything and even with documents, but enterprises need to live like that.

And yes, our finances are very tight.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: White

I’ve heard about the J-11 aircraft and its creation story ...
You all notice the specks in the wrong eye, but look at yourself weakly how much and what you sold

In general, everything is true, it is. But pride plays evil jokes

[afire]

they don’t have them at all

[desava]

Quote: Kars

Can I ask a question? Why not? And even if Ukraine had a lot of money?

Quote: Tirpitz

You armed them much better. Su-30 will be more valuable, especially in such quantities

I'm not going to measure ... with the famous "aggregates". This statement of mine is more emotional than logical. It is a pity that someone else will possess such a monster. Self-esteem is hurt

[Kars]

Quote: desava

I'm not going to measure ... with the famous "aggregates".

Why is it measuring something? The question is simple - why not? Ukraine is an independent, non-aligned state that has neither a common border with China, nor even territorial disputes. But why Russia supplies a neighbor with such ambitions for me personally is a question.

Quote: desava

Self-esteem is hurt

It should be more affected by the refusal to build ekranoplanes.
But the Bison does not pull on a monster.
When Minsk was sold to the Chinese, they did not demant most of the systems, including secret ones.

[desava]

Nevertheless, you begin to compare what Russia and Ukraine sold. I meant that by my sarcasm. The last comment I wanted to bring to the idea that the Chinese fleet has many ships repeating our appearance. Why Russia also sells secrets for me the question is similar.
As I already wrote, the logic in my statement is absent - a purely emotional component.
Bison is the largest hovercraft and has the largest payload. Was on such in St. Petersburg. Pride!

[wave]

China in its own style ... But you weren’t surprised either

[wave]

... And you, too, were not surprised

[wave]

they weren’t surprised either

[Focuser]

+ for perseverance)))

[Joker]

Especially for you for persistence warning

[plotnikov561956]

The Chinese are well done, but ah .. s, just super ... what else will they sell ..
In other matters, it’s not even surprising, the mentality is not potato ... I apologize for not fraternal comments. But the facts and nothing personal

[Tirpitz]

In 2007, Russia signed a contract for the supply to China of 15 S-300PMU2 air defense divisions and four 83M6E2 control systems. The delivery of the complexes was completed in April 2010; they became part of the air defense systems of Beijing, Shanghai and some other major cities in China. You also have a stigma in the gun

[Antipetian 1]

Excuse me, Ukrainians. I could not resist and did not stick this video. Sorry...

[killganoff]

Pukst already the Americans will give Emki instead of AK, otherwise they are all striving for NATO ...

[sas]

I do not think that you can be offended.

[AK-74-1]

Normal video. Normal Russian faces in the guys in uniform. Well, the head is clogged with a foreign filth and promises of money, so it's not for long.
I believe that there will be a single Russian state.

[desava]

So it was not necessary to stick!

[Petrol]

Masonic bodybuilder Breivik launched a new redistribution mechanism .... I think the Western words * I have little time left to walk under two colored rags of the Habsburgs ...

[arches]

It is a sin to be offended by outright evil stupidity))

[Trailer]

Publish an article about Russia! We will grieve over it, but here the main message of the article is from Ukraine. So, and she is in the spotlight!

[White]

You are talking about the J-11 airplane and heard the story of its creation ...
You all notice the specks in the wrong eye, but look at yourself a little how much and what you sold ...

I do not support the fact that they sell everything and even with documents, but enterprises need to live like that.

[Tirpitz]

Quote: White

White

You talking to me?

[White]

No, I just printed for a long time and you got ahead of me

[viktor1227]

On the contrary: it's not bad - the Bison is a cool car, but old, and the Chinese will still buy engines for it. And so they will pay at least a little for the license, otherwise they will still copy it as a Buk or SU-30

[Andrei]

I don't understand a damn thing it seems like we are establishing relations with Ukraine and at the same time they are selling technologies and a ship in the development of which Ukraine did not participate .. only in production to the Chinese !! these will be copied and stamped like children's toys !!! The Ukrainian government does not look like two fronts, but three "at war" - flirts with NATO members, with Russia (gas, Sevastopol and others), and now also with the Chinese! it's not good ... will not bring it good, themselves in asshole they will be in a bad position as well and they’ll put a trick on us ...

[White]

And how many fronts does Russia have?
1 Ulyanovsk Base - NATO
2 SU-30 - China, India
3 Venezuela, Iran .....
4 Mistral - France .....

Once again, before looking for a speck in the eyes of others, look at yourself.

[apro]

The practical steps of the landing operation in Formosa-Taiwan. The unification of the country is a priority for China. And if you add an aircraft carrier, then everything will converge.

[GP]

Quote: apro

The practical steps of the landing operation in Formosa-Taiwan. The unification of the country is a priority for China. And if you add an aircraft carrier, then everything will converge.

And there in Taiwan - it is also the Republic of China - there are wonderful official maps with an interesting geography of territorial claims. The PRC with its neighbors settled some of the disputes, but after unification with Taiwan (not all continental states considered it necessary to resolve the continental borders with the islet), the Chinese will have as many as 2 official border maps. Then they all that walks, swims and flies need to so that the navel does not untie.

[Nechai]

Interestingly, will the Chinayos start sculpting the "Bison" "skirts" or will they still turn to Yaroslavl?

[Readme]

probably as always: first they will buy ours, copy them and go stamp.

[Yuri11076]

And the Chinese always do this, they will buy a copy and go ...

PS Why should they wrap their licenses if they already do everything ..

[Gavrn]

What the ships sold is good. (Money for workers) That they sold the drawings and allowed licensed production - IDIOTISM.

[ded_73]

Such funny comments. Firstly, Ukraine won this contract from Russia (if anything, they had to do it, if I am not mistaken in Komsomolsk-on-Amur). Secondly, the intermediary who brought this contract, a citizen of the Russian Federation, and thirdly, the so-called. "skirts" are supplied by ... Russia. The easiest way to blame Ukraine is.

[sas]

By the way, Russia supplies not only "skirts". Russian enterprises are also positive.

[Kir]

An interesting discussion came out !!! Who has who and who has more !!! But in fact: Does Ukraine have the right to trade "Bison" with anyone, without agreement, with the copyright holder of this intellectual property, or not, and so on most technologies of the former, but now deceased in the USSR, or how to pay debts for all so We, and how to trade so all "ours"!

[ded_73]

So everything and the assets of the USSR abroad you got

[Kir]

Well, it’s all for us, minus the Crimea, Kharkov and Donetsk regions, Antonov Design Bureau, should we list further or is that enough? Renting bases in Sevastopol is one thing worth noting even talking about Massandra's wine cellars and palaces not even created during the USSR!

[ded_73]

After all, Ukraine was then "abroad"? Your appetite is not for children. The main thing in such things is categoricalness. Ours and all! You and your remaining will sort it out and put in order, otherwise the same Chinese will look in the Far East and will clean up without the "Bison". And what, with your own problems? "Such an Abrau-Dyurso".

[Kir]

So, after all, ours, and at the expense of bezoppeleznosti, excuse me, move over with what they entered and left !!! as obtained by illegal means! -Kharkiv region, well, about the Crimea is generally a separate conversation !!!

[sas]

"Does Ukraine have the right to trade" Zubrs "with anyone, without agreement, with the owner of this intellectual property?" Formally, this is the project 958 "Bizon" MDK.

[Kievan]

Quote: Sas

"Does Ukraine have the right to trade" Zubrs "with anyone, without agreement, with the owner of this intellectual property?" Formally, this is the project 958 "Bizon" MDK.

Actually, the moral side of this sale is very doubtful. It is as if the Russian Federation began to produce ANs calling them ILs.
But since there is no big scandal with the Bison and the components from the Russian Federation came for him without problems, we can assume that there was a rollback from the contract and for the responsible persons in the Russian Federation or the Chinese sold it like that ....

[to4kavserdce]

We arm cockroaches and then we will die from them !! Krasava ....

[mivankin]

Russia or Ukraine will not sell - someone else will sell. You might think of a shortage in the arms market. Better let them buy from us.

[gans]

it’s kind of like the bison was designed in St. Petersburg and it belongs to them, and without their consent it is impossible to organize production in China

[APASUS]

. It is assumed that a shipyard is being built in China, similar to that located in Feodosia (Ukraine), where the Chinese contract is being implemented. Under the terms of the contract, the ship's drawings must be transferred to the Chinese side for the organization of licensed construction.

Judging by this message, they will soon be riveting themselves and will supply the Bison with another half of the world. But Ukraine could earn more money by selling the Bison, not technology!

[Kars]

Quote: APASUS

. But Ukraine could earn more money by selling Bison, not technology!

Ukraine will still not be able to supply half the world (there are no such capacities) even if someone else is interested in such a specific watercraft.

And Ukrainian factories will be able to do it if there is a customer --- and China will do whatever it wants anyway - sell it the technology, don't sell it.

[APASUS]

Quote: Kars

Ukraine will still not be able to supply half the world (there are no such capacities) even if someone else is interested in such a specific watercraft.

I was at your factory Sea in Feodosia about three years ago! The plant stood for 10 years and China did not breathe life into it. Especially no one was looking for orders. But it is very possible to sell such ships and there is demand.

[Kars]

Quote: APASUS

The plant stood for 10 years and China did not breathe life into it.

Then I don’t see any obstacles at all if nobody really needs such landing boats.
Not only manufacturers, but also customers are looking for a net, and ships are such a product that you can push through not particularly merchandising.

Quote: APASUS

and there is demand.

If it’s not a secret where he was ten years old, the demand is that the demand for the net without complacency does not remain.

[APASUS]

Quote: Kars

Then I don’t see any obstacles at all if nobody really needs such landing boats.

And who is actually looking for orders ??? ................ shipyards in Nikolaev are generally unique ................ AND WHAT ?? prosper ??? I don’t want to talk about the Sea plant at all (I know that the equipment from there was generally sold for nothing !! what was worth millions)

Quote: Kars

If it’s no secret where he was ten years old, demand

Just do not need about demand !!!

[Kars]

Quote: APASUS

And who is actually looking for orders ???

Well, the Chinese somehow were found.

Quote: APASUS

SO WHAT ?? prosper ???

and what is the demand?

Quote: APASUS

Just do not need about demand !!!

Why?

Quote: APASUS

there is demand

Who do they need for example? Greece?
And what at this stage replaces this demand

Quote: APASUS

(I know that the equipment from there was generally sold for nothing !! what was worth millions

Well, this is a widespread picture after the collapse of the USSR.

[APASUS]

Quote: Kars

Well, the Chinese somehow were found.

Clearly described !!! Found !!!
Not otherwise ........... just found !!

Quote: Kars

and what is the demand?

On ships there !! Try to search !! Now there is simply a huge demand for rigs for the northern latitudes !!! on ice tankers !! on icebreakers and related vessels !! The shipyard in Nikolaev is quite suitable for such work !!

Quote: Kars

Why?

Because I grew up in this country !! I know it far and wide !! and I can safely say:
You are doing garbage there !!!
Korea in 20 years has gone from a ........... country devastated by war to a technological superpower !!!
Ukraine has come a long way .... for 20 years of independence .............. ashamed to write !!

Quote: Kars

Well, this is a widespread picture after the collapse of the USSR.

Yes, there is such a picture! but time goes in front, but in Ukraine it stands or goes back !!
In Vinnitsa (the regional center), the distillery closed, or rather the tax was arrested! This is probably the last but one enterprise, all that’s left is to close the candies and that's all ........... there is no city, everyone went to the market !!!
I may not remember, but there were;
Aircraft Repair Plant
Aviation Refueling Plant
Meat Factory
Dairy factory
Machine assembly plant
Liquor vodka
Electronic circuit board
Chemical factory of household chemicals
Jewelry Factory
Now there you can shoot on some Stalker, and on some there’s nothing to shoot .......... wasteland!

[Kars]

Quote: APASUS

Clearly described !!! Found !!!

Are you aware of the negotiations? How were they? What did you originally want to buy in Kamsamolsk?

Quote: APASUS

On ships there !! Try to search !! Now there is simply a huge demand for rigs for the northern latitudes !!! on ice tankers !! on icebreakers and related vessels !! The shipyard in Nikolaev is quite suitable for such work !!

In general, we are discussing specifically the DKVP Bison and your words

Quote: APASUS

and they’ll supply half of the world with Bison. But Ukraine could earn more money by selling Bison, not technology!

??? so what demand is that?

Quote: APASUS

Because I grew up in this country !! I know it far and wide !! and I can safely say:
You are doing garbage there !!!

Vryatli management of the enterprise agrees with you, but in general it is their concern.

Quote: APASUS

Ukraine has come a long way .... for 20 years of independence .............. ashamed to write !!

Come on, it went no worse than the rest who remained after the USSR, but at least without blood.

Quote: APASUS

In Vinnitsa

And what is wrong in Russia? I remember how in the Far East, new factories for scrap metal were cut to China.
And as for the factories, etc. --- there is nothing special to say, it was the endless 90s, but you didn’t have to scream someone, and shake your head.
Sales, consumption, and so on were changing - something was dying, something was being built. The market.

But I would like more to return to the topic of this article.

[donchepano]

GOOD PIECE FOR THE TRANSFER OF A LIMITED (IN NUMBER OF 80 MILLION PEOPLE) CONTINGENT THROUGH AMUR TO THE TERRITORY OF RUSSIA ...