Self-propelled mortars of the Armed Forces of Ukraine based on the BTR-3

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Armored personnel carrier BTR-3. Photo of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine

During the battles for the city of Gostomel (Kyiv region), Russian troops took control of one of the Ukrainian military units. Along with this object, numerous trophies were obtained in the form of a variety of weapons and equipment. Among other samples, a self-propelled mortar BTR-3M2 was found - one of the few that were in service with Ukrainian formations.

Rare trophy


The main battles for the city of Gostomel took place in the early days of the Special Military Operation. After their completion, our Ministry of Defense disclosed certain details several times, and also showed the course of the battles and subsequent events. So, on March 21, they published a video with trophies taken along with one of the military units.



Fleeing, the enemy threw a variety of small arms, grenade launchers, MANPADS and ATGMs. Also, various combat vehicles remained on the territory of the taken part, these are Tanks and armored personnel carriers of various models and modifications. In addition, a rare sample was found - a self-propelled mortar BTR-3M2.

In the official form, it is shown that the self-propelled mortar is standing on a certain platform with open hatches. There appears to be no damage other than punctured wheels. A shot of the armored vehicle from the inside is also presented. Inside the case there are all or almost all of the required units. Signs of fire damage are also not visible.


Assembly of self-propelled mortars. Photo btvt.info

At the same time, the main weapon BTR-3M2 in the form of a 120-mm mortar. Perhaps the crew, realizing their position, dismantled it and tried to take it with them. At the same time, the wheeled platform was abandoned, and it went to the advancing troops.

The further fate of the rare armored vehicle remains unknown. It was previously mentioned that captured tanks and other equipment will be transferred to the troops of the DPR and LPR. It is likely that the captured BTR-3M2 will undergo the necessary repairs in the near future, receive a new suitable weapon and continue to serve - but in a different army.

According to known data, Ukraine had only a few BTR-3M2 mortars. The location and condition of one of them is now reliably known. The remaining park, according to various sources, suffered some losses in the past. How many of these machines remain in service, where they are and in what condition they are, is unknown. However, in the current situation, their prospects are obvious.

By foreign order


IN 2007 . The Thai Armed Forces issued an order to the Ukrainian industry for the supply of almost a hundred BTR-3 armored personnel carriers and equipment based on it. In particular, the contract provided for the development and production of a number of 81-mm self-propelled mortars on this chassis. The development of such a product, which received the BTR-3M1 index, was entrusted to the Kiev Armored Plant and the Artillery Design Bureau.

Self-propelled mortars of the Armed Forces of Ukraine based on the BTR-3

One of the BTR-3M2, built for Thailand and transferred to Ukrainian structures. Photo bmpd.livejournal.com

The self-propelled mortar project was based on the simplest concept and used only available units. However, the development process dragged on for several years. Several first BTR-3M1s were sent to Thailand only in 2010-11, along with other armored vehicles under an existing contract.

According to known data, until 2014 the Ukrainian side handed over to the customer about 9-10 self-propelled mortars. The outbreak of the civil war in the Donbass had practically no effect on the fulfillment of this order, and the assembly of equipment continued. Thanks to this, until 2016 inclusive, Thailand received new armored personnel carriers and mortars.

By that time, Ukraine managed to receive another order from Thailand. The 2011 contract provided for the construction of another 121 armored vehicles. This time, the buyer wished to receive a larger caliber self-propelled mortar. In this regard, Ukrainian enterprises have begun to remake the existing BTR-3M1 for a 120-mm mortar. Such a project was designated BTR-3M2.

It was reported that in the future, Ukraine was able to ship up to eight self-propelled mortars of the M2 version to Thailand. At the same time, a larger number of such machines were actually built - but some of them were not handed over to a foreign customer.


BTR-3M2 on parade. Photo Lostarmour.info

According to The Military Balance, the Thai Armed Forces received 18 BTR-3M1 vehicles with an 81mm mortar and 8 BTR-3M2 vehicles with a 120mm gun. Over the past few years, the fleet of such equipment has not been growing. Its further increase, apparently, is now impossible.

Internal problems


The Ukrainian army showed interest in the BTR-3M1 project almost from the very beginning. Some measures were taken to obtain such technology, but they did not give any results. In 2016, it was reported that the terms of reference from the army had not yet been developed, a prototype had not been built or tested, etc. At the same time, more than 50 million hryvnias were allocated for preliminary work.

In the following years, the situation did not change. Despite all the needs and requirements of the army, work on launching the production of mortars did not start. As a result, not a single BTR-3M1 hit the Ukrainian army.

It is noteworthy that the BTR-3M2 mortars were put into service as early as 2014, but in this case, too, there were problems. Against the backdrop of the outbreak of war, Ukraine decided to arbitrarily appropriate equipment built for foreign customers. In particular, two self-propelled mortars were sent not to Thailand, but to their own National Guard. According to various sources, in the future, several more such machines were assembled for their own needs.


Trophy BTR-3M2 from Gostomel. Frame from the video from the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation

A few BTR-3M2s have repeatedly appeared in Ukrainian parades. In addition, they were used in a punitive operation in the Donbass. One of these vehicles recently participated in the battles for Gostomel, where it eventually became a trophy for the Russian army. The location of other products is not yet known, but may soon become clear.

From available components


The BTR-3M1 and BTR-3M2 projects were based on an extremely simple idea and therefore did not differ in technical complexity. The basis for them was the serial BTR-3 with a number of important changes. The armored personnel carrier retained the main part of the reservation, the power plant and chassis. At the same time, the fighting compartment with the turret and regular landing sites in the center of the hull were removed.

The front part of the hull was supplemented with a superstructure with box-shaped onboard units. A large opening with hinged lids was made in its roof. Under this hatch was a movable base for a mortar. A pivot installation with a shield for a heavy machine gun was placed in front of the hatch. Mountings were provided on the sides of the hull for transporting the base plate and bipedal - if necessary, the mortar could be removed and used separately.

The BTR-3M1 combat vehicle was equipped with the KBA48M mortar, a Ukrainian modification of the Soviet 2B14. Due to some changes in the design and the use of new materials, it was possible to reduce the weight. Modifications were offered in the original 82 mm caliber and an export 81 mm version. The combat qualities remained at the same level - the maximum firing range is up to 3900 m and the rate of fire is up to 20-22 rds / min. Ammunition on board the vehicle - 80 shots.


The interior of the trophy car. View through the starboard hatch. Frame from the video from the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation

The BTR-3M2 project proposed the refinement of the M1 product by replacing weapons and did not provide for other significant changes. It used the Ukrainian version of the Soviet mortar 2B11 caliber 120 mm. Carried ammunition was reduced to 40 rounds. The firing range has increased to 7100 m. The rate of fire is 13-15 rds / min.

No prospects


Thus, self-propelled mortars BTR-3M1 / M2 are typical modern equipment of their class, built on available components. They are quite capable of solving all the main tasks: moving between positions, firing at designated targets and quickly moving away from a retaliatory strike.

At the same time, not the newest and most advanced components were used in two Ukrainian projects. In addition, they lacked interesting or innovative solutions. Finally, the Ukrainian army received only a few combat vehicles. Even against the background of limited orders from Thailand, such supplies looked insufficient.

As a result, the Ukrainian armed formations were never able to obtain modern self-propelled mortars in sufficient quantities, which led to a logical outcome. Only a few BTR-3M2s helped the National Guard to terrorize the population of Donbass, but they proved useless against the Russian army. According to the results of the first battle, the armored car available in Gostomel changed owners, and all the others may soon follow.
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  1. +3
    25 March 2022 06: 08
    And how are things with the bottom of the armored personnel carrier, it won’t fall out during firing, because the return is not sickly?
    1. +6
      25 March 2022 06: 40
      Quote: Ros 56
      how are things with the bottom

      We welded two channels and the whole business! lol
      1. +1
        25 March 2022 06: 45
        Well, well, what about the fasteners of various mechanisms and electronic devices, because this is not a tank, the mass is small and it is even difficult to imagine the feeling of calculating this device. lol
    2. 0
      25 March 2022 08: 34
      Quote: Ros 56
      how are things with the bottom of the armored personnel carrier, it won’t fall out during firing, because the return is not sickly?

      Or maybe there is no bottom! No. Drops straight to the ground! Yes
    3. +1
      25 March 2022 09: 31
      Modern mortar modules have perfect recoil devices that significantly reduce recoil.
      1. +4
        25 March 2022 12: 58
        Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
        Modern mortar modules have perfect recoil devices that significantly reduce recoil.
        A mortar (like the one on this armored personnel carrier) is a pipe that abuts against the base plate through a hinge. And where are perfect recoil devices installed there?
        1. -1
          25 March 2022 13: 08
          It is for this model based on the BTR-3 that I can’t say for sure. If there are no recoil devices, then this is really strange.
          1. +1
            25 March 2022 21: 20
            Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
            It is for this model based on the BTR-3 that I can’t say for sure. If there are no recoil devices, then this is really strange.

            Probably didn't think to do it...
    4. +5
      25 March 2022 09: 47
      Quote: Ros 56
      And how are things with the bottom of the armored personnel carrier, it won’t fall out during firing, because the return is not sickly?

      Before shooting, they unscrew all the wheels and lie down on the ground! But it is not exactly.... bully
  2. +1
    25 March 2022 07: 37
    Restore and to the test site. Maybe the idea of ​​​​life has, only the carrier is lower, smaller. H.Z.
  3. +4
    25 March 2022 08: 13
    Collective-farm style, like on a tractor brigade, they blinded him from what was. Or rather, what was enough for a reasoner! And the wiring, so generally the height of insanity!
    1. +2
      25 March 2022 08: 33
      where is insanity, sir, blue electrical tape, everything is covered with a film from the greenhouse - so everything is fine good
      1. -1
        26 March 2022 12: 16
        There are standards developed in the states for all types of human activity. And it is in military terms that these standards are the most stringent! So you can’t do without shielding and rigid fastening according to the structures. And this is in the photo in general snot!
    2. 0
      26 March 2022 12: 05
      Innovations and technologies in Ukrainian.
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  5. +1
    25 March 2022 08: 47

    If anyone is interested....
    1. 0
      25 March 2022 09: 54
      Actually, the most "massive" in the Armed Forces of Ukraine should be the Bars-8MMK self-propelled guns ...!
      120-MM SELF-PROPELLED MORTAR SYSTEM "BARS-8MMK" (UKRAINE) 120-MM SELF-PROPELLED MORTAR SYSTEM "BARS-8MMK" (UKRAINE) 30.09.2019MMK" for the Ukrainian army, which conducted the first fire tests of these systems, according to armyrecognition.com on September 120. This is a new mobile self-propelled mortar launcher on the chassis of the Bars-8 wheeled armored combat vehicle with a 27 × 8 wheel arrangement. The vehicle has a 4mm mortar that can be automatically deployed to the rear of the vehicle for fire operations. Bringing the artillery system into combat takes only 4 seconds, the vehicle is able to leave the firing position in less than 120 seconds after the end of the fire. Crew of three, ammunition up to 30 mortar rounds, the vehicle is equipped with an integrated fire control system that can be controlled either from inside the cockpit or by a mortar man stationed next to the vehicle. The mortar has a maximum firing range of 20 meters and a rate of fire of 60 rounds per minute. The development and production of a self-propelled mortar system (SMM) is carried out by the Bogdan company. The SMM is built on the wheeled chassis of a Dodge Ram 8000x12 pickup truck, with a curb weight of 4 kg and a load capacity of 4 kg. The SMM provides crew protection against bullets and shrapnel from small arms and artillery shells up to level 10 STANAG 000, equipped with a 2000-liter Cummins V2 turbo diesel engine with an output of 4569 hp. from. in combination with an Allison six-speed automatic or manual transmission. "Bars-6,7" can reach a maximum speed of up to 8 km / h, the depth of the ford to be overcome is 350 m, it can climb hills at a slope of 8 degrees and withstand side rolls from 120 to 0,76 degrees. Military parity 60/20/40 The air assault troops of Ukraine began operating the new Bars-11.12.2021MMK mobile mortar installations. The military uses vehicles that they received in 8, writes Defense Express. The press service of the company "Ukroboronprom" reported that six mortars entered the air assault troops for trial operation. The publication noted that the mortar prototype was shown in 2019, and in 2016 the Bars-2019MMK was handed over to the military after passing the tests. Later, the Ukrainian Defense Ministry reported that they refused to accept mortars due to the lack of firing tables and substandard barrels. After that, "Bars-8MMK" was sent to the storage base. Defense Express notes that the start of operation of the Bars-8MKK may be associated with the completion of tests of the MP-8 mortar. The Bars-120MMK is based on the Bars-8 armored car, which was created on the basis of the Dodge Ram pickup truck. The vehicle received the Spanish Alakran LMC mortar system. 8 mm mortar allows hitting targets at ranges up to 120 In September, the Ukrainian Armored Vehicles company announced the completion of tests of the MP-7200 mortar. The new product is designed to replace the Molot mortar.

      As a result, I can’t say whether the Armed Forces of Ukraine managed to adopt these “leopards”, but at present they can “surface” somewhere on the battlefield or in the list of trophies!
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  6. +1
    25 March 2022 09: 14
    A miserable car, if made on such a serious chassis, then with a tower, like the Drok in 82-mm caliber, or Nona-SVK in 120-mm caliber.
  7. -5
    25 March 2022 09: 16
    A good idea. The simpler the better. Without decades of testing and claims of unparalleled weapons.
  8. +3
    25 March 2022 10: 34
    The problem with 120mm barrels extended to this example. The explosion of the barrel inside the armored personnel carrier is dangerous.
  9. +2
    25 March 2022 12: 07
    Among other samples, a self-propelled mortar BTR-3M2 was found - one of the few that were in service with Ukrainian formations.

    Not only. They have a 120MM BARS-8MMK SELF-PROPELLED MORTAR SYSTEM on a Dodge Ram 4x4 pickup wheeled chassis.
    http://nevskii-bastion.ru/bars-8mmk-ukraine/
    As the guns are knocked out as large targets, the APU will use mortars more.
    1. 0
      25 March 2022 15: 39
      The APU will use more mortars.
      They have a mint laughing now it has come - the NATO ones are not suitable, and after the strikes on the Soviet warehouses there is nowhere to take
      1. +2
        25 March 2022 18: 47
        Quote: Bolt Cutter
        The APU will use more mortars.
        They have a mint laughing now it has come - the NATO ones are not suitable, and after the strikes on the Soviet warehouses there is nowhere to take

        NATO ones are just right for our mortars with a bang, which is 81 mm, which is 120 mm.
        The same Soviet Nona was able to use captured NATO ammunition.
        1. +1
          25 March 2022 18: 50
          fit with a bang, that 81 mm, that 120 mm
          82mm and they did it with the expectation that Soviet mines would not climb into NATO, and their captured mines would be no problem. But the accuracy of shooting suffers sharply, although "in the direction of the enemy" an 81mm mine will fly quite to itself.
          1. 0
            25 March 2022 22: 09
            Quote: Bolt Cutter
            fit with a bang, that 81 mm, that 120 mm
            82mm and they did it with the expectation that Soviet mines would not climb into NATO, and their captured mines would be no problem. But the accuracy of shooting suffers sharply, although "in the direction of the enemy" an 81mm mine will fly quite to itself.

            I'll correct you a little.
            We began to produce 82mm based on French trophies (81mm Brant smoothbore mortars) taken from the Chinese during the conflict on the CER. There was no mention of NATO yet.
            The use of 82mm pipes, instead of 81mm, as in the original, was due to different approaches to measuring calibers in the Soviet and French artillery schools.
            Deliberately, we have already developed 120 mm mortars and combined guns based on it (such as Nona).
            So, sweatshirts turned out by chance in the 30s, we fixed the bleached one during the Great Patriotic War and later.
            However, the Germans, copying our 120 mm mortar, made a similar mistake, which we used from 1943 to 1945!
            Regards, Vlad!
            1. 0
              25 March 2022 22: 11
              Thank you!
      2. 0
        26 March 2022 12: 07
        There are a lot of Soviet weapons in the Baltic States and in the world, another thing is that after shipment they are disposed of by missiles.
  10. -3
    25 March 2022 12: 26
    Greater delirium cannot be imagined. Pinocchio and Solntsepeki knowingly have a tank base, and this miracle with bulletproof armor is just a suicide bomber.
  11. +1
    25 March 2022 16: 56
    Quote: Nikolaevich I
    Quote: Ros 56
    how are things with the bottom of the armored personnel carrier, it won’t fall out during firing, because the return is not sickly?

    Or maybe there is no bottom! No. Drops straight to the ground! Yes

    Yeah, they are so stupid. And you are one of their left. Should you throw off our losses of the Russian Ministry of Defense? Not them. Of course, they destroy us in the second round.
  12. +1
    25 March 2022 17: 38
    What angles of aiming when the vehicle is stationary (direction to the target), for example, "At three o'clock" BTR-3M2 can shoot back?
  13. +1
    25 March 2022 21: 19
    As far as my memory tells me, Shavyrin created an 82 mm mortar so that the Red Army could use captured mines, but our enemy did not ... Svidomo might not have known about it. soldier
    1. 0
      25 March 2022 22: 13
      Quote: Nikolay Sayenko
      As far as my memory tells me, Shavyrin created an 82 mm mortar so that the Red Army could use captured mines, but our enemy did not ... Svidomo might not have known about it. soldier

      Shavrin did it by accident with an 82 mm mortar, but this “success” was appreciated and consolidated already with 120 mm mortars, and later with guns based on @ Nona.
  14. 0
    27 March 2022 09: 18
    We tried to put a mortar on the armor of the armored personnel carrier to increase mobility. True, we had to sacrifice the base plate. We welded a pocket onto the armor. Somewhere in the region of 20-22 (I don’t remember) the shot breaks through the armor.
    The conclusion was sad:
    1 Without a base plate, the use of a mortar on an armored personnel carrier is not possible
    2 The technique is not adapted for such tasks, and it makes no sense to redo it.
  15. 0
    27 March 2022 13: 00
    Salokhodnye calomers ... From an inconspicuous mobile gun to make a canned target for artillery ?! request