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The Chinese fleet - in the struggle for the title of the strongest

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“A group of Chinese warships passed through the territorial waters of Taiwan. This maneuver is a show of strength."

“An American destroyer on Saturday made a passage through the strait separating mainland China and the island of Taiwan. This was reported by the defense department in Taipei.”

(News at the end of February 2022)

For 70 years, a "watershed" of influence of the largest powers has been passing in the waters of the Taiwan Strait. The existing balance of power is regularly violated by US ships. China rebuffs the provocations, recalling its legal rights to own the "rebellious island". However, the interests and capabilities of the modern Chinese Navy extend far beyond Taiwanese waters.

“China has outstripped the United States in the number of warships”, a “third aircraft carrier” and “the most powerful destroyers in the world” are being built there. The media spare no effort on screaming headlines. The participants in the naval arms race themselves add intrigue. The US military does not hesitate to convince of the growing threat and openly admits its own impotence in front of the Chinese Navy.

Penetrating sincerity from those who are least able to tell the truth arouses obvious suspicion. Therefore, we will not rush to honor the “winners” and will try to assess the situation from the standpoint of numbers.

The path to creating the "strongest navy in the world" will require considerable effort


The fleet is primarily ships. To enter the first line, the Chinese will need to close the gap with the American fleet in the number of pennants of the 1st rank. This means the construction of 90-100 missile destroyers (cruisers), with the functions of zonal air defense / missile defense and a strike potential comparable to enemy ships.

Already today, the Chinese Navy has units that surpass any similar projects of Western countries. The pride of the Chinese fleet, six of the most modern destroyers "Type 055" or by the name of the lead one - the "Nanchang" type.


The other 25 destroyers belong to the "short" and "long" modifications of the previous project "Type 052D". With an outward resemblance to the Nanchang, they are distinguished by half the composition of weapons (64 UVP cells) and a very strange choice of radar equipment for modern ships.

The remaining 17 destroyers are representatives of even earlier projects. While nominally in the same class as the newest Nanchang, they lack many of the combat qualities required for high-ranking units.

We confine ourselves to a neutral conclusion. Of the fifty Chinese destroyers, some are superior to American ships of a similar class. The rest are inferior to one degree or another.

Just a few words about the situation overseas. Due to the frequent renewal of the ship composition and the planned write-off procedure for several Ticonderogs, it is difficult to establish the exact number of destroyers (cruisers) in the US Navy. A cautious estimate will be "about 90 ships" - carriers of the Aegis missile defense system.

Everyone is waiting for the right time to come. And time is just running out


The Internet is filled with images of Chinese shipyards, where rows of destroyers lined up at the outfitting walls. The outlines of others appear on stocks through the web of forests. Huge power. But concrete figures indicate that the pace of work is not fast enough to bring the PRC Navy closer to the goal.

In the next 10 years, China's adversary also intends to replenish its fleet with 20 destroyer-class ships belonging to the second and third sub-series of the Burke project. Of which only seven units have been laid so far. Another one is on sea trials. Taking into account the presented intentions to lay down the destroyers of the next DDG (X) project, the current Chinese program to create 16 Type 055 destroyers no longer looks like a solution that can radically change the balance of power.

There is another important point - the presence of about 40 frigates in the Chinese Navy. In the near future, their number may reach fifty.

The Chinese concept of "frigate" differs markedly from that adopted in other fleets. So, according to the value of the standard displacement, the Type 054A is almost a thousand tons inferior to the Russian frigate of project 22350 (Admiral Gorshkov). But the main thing is its technical appearance, which contains far from the most modern solutions.


"Chinese" in comparison with a classmate (FREMM-class frigate).

Fifty frigates is an impressive grouping of forces capable of providing a presence in many areas of the oceans at once. On the other hand, in the marine stories there were battles in which a single capital ship was more important than a dozen "babies" who attacked it.

As time passed, everything fell into place. And instead of bare numbers (the number of barrels), more elegant technical patterns appeared.

The difference in combat value between frigates and 10-ton destroyers also has its hidden aspects. Less freeboard. More application restrictions weapons depending on the state of the sea. A displacement of 3 tons does not allow placing massive antenna devices at the required height. It is necessary to look for compromises in everything.

When talking about frigates, it must be taken into account that China's enemy also has a group of "small surface combatants" (small surface combatants). The concept of "small" in American means the lower value of the displacement of 2 tons. Excluding decommissioned LCS, 500 representatives of this class remain in service. In order to increase the number of "light forces of the fleet" in the near future, it is planned to build 20 coastal warships (LCS) and a dozen frigates of the FFG-11 type. The latter is twice the displacement of Chinese ships of a similar class. In fact, destroyers with a simplified composition of weapons.

At this point it is worth stopping and taking stock. The Chinese Navy and the US Navy have approximately the same size surface fleet, designed for operations in the far sea zone. Differences in the characteristics of ships can only manifest themselves in a combat situation.

Now I propose to turn to a number of technical points.

Ship of the future


The destroyer "Type 055" (lead - "Nanchang") or according to Western classification - a cruiser of the class "Renhai".

Designed in the last decade, "Type 055" belongs to the most modern projects of this purpose. And unlike its peers, the Chinese destroyer has overcome the stage of the layout and is being built in a large series.


The following points indicate the serious capabilities of the cruiser / destroyer.

Six gas turbine generators with a total capacity of 30 megawatts. The value is three times higher than that of the American Burks, which are content with 9 to 12 MW, depending on the sub-series number.

The most likely consequence of these values ​​was the increased power
radiation from radar equipment. "Chinese" is equipped with a pair of impressive radars with eight active phased antennas.

The most obvious advantage of the "Type 055" was 112 installations for vertical launch of missiles (VLR). The number itself is not surprising. For example, the smaller Ticonderoga or the South Korean King Sejong III each have 128 slots.

A feature of the Chinese UVP is the larger size of the starting cell. As well as a new design in which each cell becomes an autonomous unit. With its own gas outlet.

Chinese technology has long lost the smell of cheap plastic and the reputation of a "disposable craft." But it is still capable of spoiling the impression with unexpected discoveries. For example, the height of the antennas on the super cruiser corresponds to the values ​​achieved in the Admiral Gorshkov project. Despite the fact that the “Chinese” exceeds the frigate in displacement by almost two and a half times.

The reason is known


In everything related to military equipment, the Chinese prefer to trust foreign experience.

In the interests of the naval forces, China successfully “copy-pastes” the most famous (or on time at hand) foreign samples. Aircraft carrier "Type 002" - a repetition of the "Varyag". Amphibious transports with a docking chamber "Type 071" - the idea of ​​​​such ships was "peeped" overseas (LPD of the San Antonio type). As a standard for the creation of the destroyer was chosen, who would doubt, "Arleigh Burke".

In other words, the development of the 10-ton "cruiser of the future" was carried out in the image and likeness of the 000-ton destroyer, born at the end of the Cold War.

The layout of the Berks was dictated not by beauty, but by vital necessity. Their radar consisted of four fixed antennas, which were about 4 meters across. Such large headlights required a strong and rigid foundation. Light mast structures could not hold such antennas. The limited displacement also prevented the construction of towers over the superstructure. The only way out was to place the antennas on the outer surfaces of the superstructure itself, literally 10 meters above the water.

The Chinese moved the solution to their project!


General layout, architecture of the superstructure, placement of weapons and antenna posts. Those who are unfamiliar with the details will not distinguish the Chinese destroyer from the Japanese "Atago" in 2005.

Further, the Chinese crossed the "snake with a hedgehog", putting on a berk-shaped destroyer a radar for detecting low-flying targets - as in more modern European projects.

But here ideas from the Old and New Worlds came into direct conflict.

Too high a superstructure (due to the placement of the antennas of the main radar in it) literally “gobbled up” the displacement reserves. Depriving the destroyer of the opportunity to grow in height. Therefore, the tower-like mast turned out to be low, and the huge ship received an unexpectedly squat silhouette.

In terms of the height of the installation of radar antennas, the Chinese Nanchang has become an outsider among all projects of the 2006st century. The British Daring (40) is considered the record holder here. Where the radar with two AFARs managed to be raised to the highest point of the mast (XNUMX meters).

Criticism of "Type 055" is not limited to one layout. For example, the destroyer's radar, despite the AFAR technology, differs from the radars of other modern ships. In the photographs of the destroyers under construction, it is visually noticeable that the antenna arrays of the 346B radar, called the Dragon's Eye, consist of three parts. The Chinese do not hide: they encountered difficulties when working in the decimeter range. The radar sees far, but its beams do not have the necessary accuracy when tracking and illuminating targets. Therefore, centimeter-range antennas (in the form of two bands) are forced to be used in the anti-aircraft weapon control system. The receiving-transmitting elements in the middle part serve only for viewing the space.


Such a prefabricated structure is inefficient in terms of dimensions. The "bands" of the tracking radar take away the usable area from the long-range radar. Not counting the difficulties in the mutual operation of the elements of such a radar.

The Type 055 series represents a qualitative leap in the development of the PRC Navy. Powerful and modern ships, with a certain set of advantages. At the same time, the conservatism and abuse of other people's ideas shown during their creation do not allow us to declare the confident superiority of cruisers / destroyers over their classmates.

The ships of the Chinese Navy are an inexhaustible source of technical surprises. For example, the destroyers of the previous project "Type 054D", which with all seriousness are given out as ships that are in no way inferior to their foreign opponents.

In this project, there is a surveillance radar of the "517" type of the meter range, installed in the middle part of the destroyer. An unexpected solution for a modern warship. The argument about the miraculous properties of the meter-range radar is refuted by the very fact of abandoning such radars on the more modern Nanchang. Apparently, the task of detecting "stealth" has lost its priority.

Everything was much easier. The basic version of the Dragon's Eye radar probably had problems with the detection range. Therefore, an additional long-range radar was installed on the destroyer. The one that was available. The Chinese needed to "drive" a series of ships, and they did not have time to develop a modern system.


The use of radars of different ranges (to detect "far" and "near" targets) is a well-known technique. The whole issue is technical. Just look at what tools are installed on the German Saxony (bottom illustration), whose project appeared in the 90s.

Epilogue


The Chinese Navy is impressive. There is undeniable potential here. The Chinese are doing more than the rest can afford. But the achieved results, which we are seeing now, cause restrained assessments.

The described problems persist in all structures of the naval forces. For example, the PRC Navy currently has no more than 10 multi-purpose nuclear submarines, some of which belong to the 2nd generation of multi-purpose submarines.

Another example. You have heard a lot about the development of Chinese anti-submarine aviation?

The presence of foreign naval bases in Southeast Asia, in Yemen, in Oman and on the coast of the African continent betrays one clear weakness. The existing "allies" and "satellites" are capable of providing support in the form of placing naval bases and logistics centers on their territory. But none of them has a large modern fleet. Away from the coast, Chinese sailors have to rely only on their own strength.

At this time, the main rival of the Chinese - the US Navy, has a pronounced multinational format. The capabilities of this fleet can be significantly enhanced through the involvement of a number of serious "elements", in the first place - the Japanese Self-Defense Navy.

However, this discussion goes far beyond the scope of the current article, which was planned as a purely technical review of the ship's composition.

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  1. Civil
    Civil 25 March 2022 08: 04
    -3
    Another example. Have you heard a lot about the development of Chinese anti-submarine aviation?

    If not well known, this does not mean that the PRC does not have anti-submarine aviation, for example, the same Liaoning with its air wing can perform the functions of a submarine. The PRC is now just in full swing becoming world leaders, some pale-faced people are pouring their raw materials into them, other technologies and money. Therefore, the question of the near future is the complete dominance of the Chinese Communist Party in the world.
    1. Santa Fe
      25 March 2022 08: 51
      +3
      If not well known, this does not mean that China does not have anti-submarine aviation

      It was a rhetorical question that contained an answer

      The base aviation of the Chinese Navy has single samples of PLO aircraft made on the basis of the An-12. It looks incredible, against the backdrop of the same Japan, where such issues are given maximum attention
      Liaoning with its air wing can perform the functions of a plane

      What does PLO have to do with aviation
      they are drained of their raw materials, other technologies and money.

      All investments go to civilian industry
      1. Civil
        Civil 25 March 2022 09: 36
        +4
        For three years now, the production of the base patrol aircraft Y-8Q (GX-6) has been going on, how many such aircraft could China produce and put into service? Nobody will say.

        Here is footage from Chinese TV.
        All investments go to civilian industry

        The PRC, like all modern powers, has a well-developed industry, including the military. Where everything is universal.
        1. Santa Fe
          25 March 2022 09: 50
          +3
          For three years now, the production of the base patrol aircraft Y-8Q (GX-6) has been going on, how many such aircraft could China produce and put into service?

          Yes, these are the ones based on the An-12
          1. TermNachTer
            TermNachTer 25 March 2022 11: 30
            +2
            And why are they bad? Based on a very simple and absolutely reliable An - 12, with modern engines and electronics.
    2. SovAr238A
      SovAr238A 25 March 2022 13: 13
      +1
      Quote: Civil

      If not well known, this does not mean that the PRC does not have anti-submarine aviation, for example, the same Liaoning with its air wing can perform the functions of a submarine. .


      How????
      1. Civil
        Civil 25 March 2022 13: 36
        0
        Quote: SovAr238A
        How????

        PLO helicopters, for example, can be placed
        1. SovAr238A
          SovAr238A 25 March 2022 14: 27
          +4
          Quote: Civil
          Quote: SovAr238A
          How????

          PLO helicopters, for example, can be placed


          PLO helicopters are a knife.
          The last line of defense.
          In order to protect yourself with helicopters alone, you will need to arrange a round-the-clock carousel.
  2. KKND
    KKND 25 March 2022 09: 21
    -2
    I have been hearing a fairy tale in the media about the fact that China is about to become a world leader since the beginning of the 00s. There is also an alternative view that China is nothing more than a "house of cards".
    The media are very fond of clogging the information space with fairy tales, ala China has already surpassed the United States in the number of warships, and as you start to sort out what kind of ships these are, it turns out that the United States surpasses China in total ship tonnage, the ships are small.
    It is the same in other areas, in the same IT or military technologies. Perhaps another 20 years will pass and in the media there is already a new generation, naive young people will listen to the same fairy tale: "China is about to become the new hegemon of the World!"
    1. Civil
      Civil 25 March 2022 09: 31
      +3
      I have been hearing a fairy tale in the media about the fact that China is about to become a world leader since the beginning of the 00s.

      That is, the GDP figures do not triple you? Economic growth? Growth in the well-being of citizens? Hundreds of thousands of new roads? Breakthrough technologies, high-speed trains, even to Tibet.
      Or do you evaluate by only one criterion - how many countries has the PRC bent over with its military power?
      1. KKND
        KKND 25 March 2022 09: 36
        -1
        Quote: Civil
        That is, the GDP figures do not triple you?

        There is a lie, there is a blatant lie and there are statistics.
        Quote: Civil
        Economic growth? Growth in the well-being of citizens? Hundreds of thousands of new roads?

        All this is of course. But remember Japan in the 80s. Growth, growth, growth. American businessmen in the 80s were sure that the Japanese were about to buy up all of America. And where is Japan now?
        Quote: Civil
        Breakthrough technologies, high-speed trains, even to Tibet.

        All these breakthrough technologies are based on Western patents, bought or stolen, there are not so many of their own patents.
        Quote: Civil
        Or do you evaluate by only one criterion - how many countries has the PRC bent over with its military power?

        Can I quote where I wrote this?
        1. Civil
          Civil 25 March 2022 09: 41
          +5
          There is a lie, there is a blatant lie and there are statistics.

          Look around more than half of the things that surround you are made in China.
          All this is of course. But remember Japan in the 80s. Growth, growth, growth. American businessmen in the 80s were sure that the Japanese were about to buy up all of America. And where is Japan now?

          Japan confidently - 4th place in the world. You can read about their fleet.
          All these breakthrough technologies are based on Western patents, bought or stolen, there are not so many of their own patents.

          These are their problems, the fact of a breakthrough from a country of the 3rd world to a leader in one generation.
          Can I quote where I wrote this?

          It was a question that you ignored.
          1. KKND
            KKND 25 March 2022 09: 58
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            Quote: Civil
            Look around more than half of the things that surround you are made in China.

            Under Western licenses, for Western investments. And if you have Western investments in the plant, then be kind, share the profit for each item that you produced and then sold.
            Quote: Civil
            These are their problems, the fact of a breakthrough from a country of the 3rd world to a leader in one generation.

            Strictly speaking, when people talk about generations, a generation is 25 years old. Growth to the leaders from the 3rd world (which is already debatable in 1979, China had nuclear weapons and a fairly developed industry with a poor population) began in 1979. No, don’t count it for 25 years.
            Quote: Civil
            It was a question that you ignored.

            If it was a question, then no, I do not evaluate by this criterion
            1. Johnson Smithson
              Johnson Smithson 26 March 2022 04: 49
              0
              Where in the West are there flying taxis? They have been flying in China for 2-3 years. And now they are getting certification for the US and EU market.

          2. napalm
            napalm 26 March 2022 22: 02
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            Negotiate with India.
        2. The comment was deleted.
      2. Santa Fe
        25 March 2022 10: 10
        +1
        Economic growth? Growth in the well-being of citizens? Hundreds of thousands of new roads?


        The most interesting is the first part of the video. I don't agree with the second part.

        The English-language video contains a lot of details on this issue. In short, this is not the USSR where housing was distributed to workers. The cities will be empty, the prices are cosmic - in the video the apartment is $ 300, the poor people, in principle, have no opportunity to move to these beautiful new houses. This is the policy of the state of China, the reasons for which there are only conjectures. The most realistic - "Bubble", to create an image of a rapidly developing economy
        1. Johnson Smithson
          Johnson Smithson 26 March 2022 04: 41
          0
          This is not an indicator, in the United States recently Detroit was empty, as after the apocalypse. Problems and distortions are everywhere.
          It is widely known that there is a real estate development crisis in China, it does not speak about the whole country and the economy.
      3. tiger19
        tiger19 26 March 2022 22: 04
        -1
        The whole problem is that Chinese capacities are tightly tied to the West. If UESEI decides to pull off the same trick as with Russia (I'm talking about sanctions), then China's chances of surviving are much less. Plus, or rather minus, in addition to Russia, China is surrounded by hostile states that are happy to annihilate the Han.
        1. Fiesta
          Fiesta 6 July 2022 20: 41
          0
          A clear misunderstanding of how the economy works. If China's economy is "tightly tied" to the West, then this means that any damage to it will harm the West. Actually, this is what is happening - lockdowns in Shanghai -> collapse of the stock markets, a jump in inflation. Sanctions of Russian proportions against China simply cannot be applied, this is the point. Russia was connected with the West for the most part through energy resources, and they began to hit this thread at the very last moment, and they still don’t touch the gas themselves.
  3. VicktorVR
    VicktorVR 25 March 2022 09: 29
    0
    The author missed the most important thing - the goals of the fleets of the United States and China. And they are different.

    In addition, the likelihood of a direct conflict between China and the United States is vanishingly small.

    And even if it happens, the main actions will take place much closer to the shores and bases of the PRC than to the shores and bases of the United States. Which, in principle, will not be able to allocate 100% of the forces and means for this, but it’s good if half. The PRC is much larger in percentage terms.

    It is necessary to compare the capabilities of Japan and the PRC, and then in the context of specific scenarios and taking into account the capabilities of other branches of the military, and not stupidly in terms of the number of hulls / barrels / launchers, the quality of fleet radars.
    1. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 25 March 2022 11: 35
      0
      That's right - the Chinese will operate off their coasts, under the cover of their air force and air defense, and mattress covers thousands of miles from their bases. I read somewhere that every thousand miles from the base weakens the fleet by about 10%. If you calculate the distance from the Hawaiian Islands, and even more so from the West Coast, the figure turns out to be sad.
      1. Santa Fe
        25 March 2022 11: 47
        +8
        That's right - the Chinese will act off their coasts

        Ocean fleet, 100 destroyers and frigates, not built to stand on the coast

        What are the goals pursued by China, competing in the number of ships with the United States, opinions on this matter are different. The fleet is the ships, the first fleet in the world, which means there are more ships than everyone else
        1. TermNachTer
          TermNachTer 25 March 2022 13: 25
          -4
          It is not at all necessary to have more ships, you can have fewer ships, but more modern and with better performance characteristics. At this stage, mattress covers have more ships, but their age and technical condition lead to bad thoughts. Not to mention the fact that these projects were developed against the USSR, at the end of the 20th century, and now it is 2022, they are no longer very consistent with reality.
          1. Doccor18
            Doccor18 25 March 2022 21: 53
            +3
            Quote: TermNachTER
            ... Not to mention the fact that these projects were developed against the USSR, at the end of the 20th century, and now it is 2022, they no longer correspond very well to reality.

            About 40 ships of the 2A and 2A+ series were designed and commissioned already in the 2000s, and the 3rd series is generally a fairly redesigned project, which only remotely resembles the same Arley Burke of 1991 ...

            Quote: TermNachTER
            you can have fewer ships, but more modern and with better performance characteristics ...

            How much better? Factor of? Hardly. And if it is insignificant, then again everything will be decided by the professionalism of the crews and the number of pennants.
            1. TermNachTer
              TermNachTer 26 March 2022 09: 56
              0
              What is fundamentally different "Block 3"? Slightly increased the size of the case, put more modern electronics.
              1. Santa Fe
                26 March 2022 14: 23
                +3
                they no longer correspond to reality.

                For 30 years, Burke was the only project in the world with such a size and purpose. Now there are two such projects (Added 055)

                For this reason, the berk of any sub-series still corresponds to reality
                What is fundamentally different "Block 3"?

                Radar
                now AFAR does not surprise anyone, but in this case something very concise and multifunctional turned out,
                The Yankees traditionally solve all problems in one decimeter range. And an unusual modular design

                The increased radiation power of the radar, led to changes from the power grid to cooling systems

                The most detailed description that met -
                http://nevskii-bastion.ru/ddg-51-flight-iii/
                1. TermNachTer
                  TermNachTer 26 March 2022 15: 20
                  +1
                  I wrote the same thing, about electronics and about the dimensions of the case. But I was asking about the fundamental, as you said, differences between "Block 1" and "Block 3". What is the principle? I see fundamental differences in the Chinese type 052 and type 055. I see small improvements in the Bjorks, in the light of current realities and nothing more.
              2. Doccor18
                Doccor18 26 March 2022 16: 56
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                Quote: TermNachTER
                What is fundamentally different "Block 3"?

                There were changes in 45% of the design of the hull and superstructures, it is 5 meters longer, the new AFAR
                The sensitivity of the AN/SPY-6 station in comparison with the existing AN/SPY-1 has been increased 30 times.
                , along with the RIM-174 ERAM missiles, this takes these ships to a slightly different level.
                Quote: TermNachTER
                put more modern electronics.

                So that's the thing about her. If you analyze in detail, then this ship is rather new than the modernization of the old project.
                1. TermNachTer
                  TermNachTer 26 March 2022 17: 19
                  0
                  What does it mean that 45% of the hull structures have been changed? Have you changed the division into waterproof compartments, decks, platforms? Where is the information from? I would like to see the originals. The declared characteristics of the new radar raise certain doubts in me, I am still a radio engineer by education. How can the sensitivity of the receiving path be increased by 30 times? The declared characteristics of missiles, there are also doubts. A couple of days ago, the Houthis made a little mischief in Saudi Arabia - "Patriot", at one time, was also very much praised. And then it turned out that he strongly did not correspond to what was indicated in the books.
                  1. Doccor18
                    Doccor18 26 March 2022 17: 42
                    0
                    Sources: nvo.ng.ru, bmpd.livejournal.com, Lenta.ru, Jaynes Defense Weekly, flot2017.com, etc.
                    Source: http://nevskii-bastion.ru/ddg-51-flight-iii/ NEVSKY BASTION MTC AVKarpenko
                    http://forum.militaryparitet.com/viewtopic.php?id=18255
                    http://pentagonus.ru/publ/materialy_posvjashheny/1970_1990_gg/mnogofunkcionalnaja_sistema_oruzhija_quotidzhisquot/120-1-0-1422
                    http://rbase.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/essm/essm.shtml
                    1. TermNachTer
                      TermNachTer 26 March 2022 18: 11
                      +1
                      Looked at the links you provided. I'm sorry, but this is a set of flyers. No specifics. As a radio engineer, I am very interested, due to what such a "mad" increase in the sensitivity of the receiving path was achieved? I would understand 30%, although this is a lot, due to an increase in the area of ​​\u16b\u5bthe antenna, an increase in the number of PPMs. Alas, on the question of interest to me - one "water". Structural changes - are presented by a lateral projection, according to which nothing can be understood. How impossible it is to understand where another XNUMX UVP came from. By increasing the length of the hull by XNUMX m, this is hardly possible.
                      1. Doccor18
                        Doccor18 26 March 2022 20: 29
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                        There are some notable differences that we can get from the data provided by Raytheon. The company says the 9 RMAs will provide equivalent sensitivity to the SPY-1D(V) radar currently used on US Navy destroyers. Because AMDR uses 37 RMAs, it is likely that the radar will deliver about four times the radiated power of the older SPY-1 array. In other words, it is capable of detecting a target with half the cross-section of the radar (RCS) at twice the distance compared to the SPY-1.

                        In addition, a 2012 GAO report stated that SPY+15 (essentially AMDR) had 32 times better signal-to-noise ratio than SPY-1D(V). The name “SPY+15” means that the radar is 15 decibels (dB) larger than the previous radar. Being 15 decibels more means having 32 times more sensitivity.

                        Most recently, the US Navy Fact File described 37 AMDR radar module assemblies as SPY+16dB, 40 times the sensitivity of SPY-1. This was published in January 2019, which led me to believe that this figure is more accurate since it has been seven years since the 2012 GAO report.

                        Scott Spence, Raytheon's senior director of naval radar systems, claims that "it's 70 times more sensitive than current radar." This seems like a stretch, but time will tell if he's right.


                        Quote: TermNachTER
                        How impossible it is to understand where another 16 UVP came from. By increasing the length of the hull by 5 m, this is hardly possible.

                        Maybe I didn't get something? About what 16 UVP? The number of UVP is the same -96 ...
                      2. TermNachTer
                        TermNachTer 26 March 2022 21: 43
                        0
                        In that link, "Nevsky Bastion" it is written that "Block 3" has 112 UVP cells. So I'm wondering - where did they come from?
                      3. TermNachTer
                        TermNachTer 26 March 2022 21: 53
                        +1
                        PS Regarding the radar, a set of American statements that have not yet been confirmed by anything. I ask you to give me a link where it is written in normal language - due to what such sensitivity of the receiving path was achieved? There are several scientific methods. 1. Increasing the antenna area. 2. Increase in the number of PPM in the antenna sheet. 3. PPM are made of new materials, with better performance.
  4. GNM
    GNM 25 March 2022 09: 53
    +2
    And this is good. We have nothing to share with the Chinese in the Pacific region, and the nerves of the rest of us are on the drum.
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 25 March 2022 22: 00
      +3
      Quote: GNM
      And this is good. We have nothing to share with the Chinese in the Pacific region, and the nerves of the rest of us are on the drum.

      This is nothing for now ... No need to think for decades ... request
  5. riwas
    riwas 25 March 2022 12: 14
    +1
    “China has outstripped the United States in the number of warships”, a “third aircraft carrier” and “the most powerful destroyers in the world” are being built there.

    In the confrontation with the United States, it is vital for China to have a better and larger fleet and air force, the main trump cards of the United States now. Once this is achieved, the US will no longer dominate the world.
    1. tiger19
      tiger19 26 March 2022 22: 15
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      Only one country is able to do this - Russia. China is a land worm. Yes, and in addition to aviation and the navy, you need to have qualified personnel for them. And the military cadres are China's pain, given the historical series of their defeats.
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  6. Senior seaman
    Senior seaman 25 March 2022 12: 25
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    As far as I understand, China has no immediate plans for a confrontation with the United States. And even graters over Taiwan do not cause anything but loud rhetoric.
    But, if there is a fleet, then there are sailors who serve, gain experience, get used to operating first in the adjacent waters, and then in the oceans.
    We'll see what happens next.
    P.S. It would be much better for us if the PRC really butted heads with the United States, and we pretended that this did not concern us, and traded with both. But, as usual, no luck. request
    1. tiger19
      tiger19 26 March 2022 22: 20
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      Well, the time will come - we will. China still needs to deal with Taiwan. If they wait, they might not. They decide to use hard power - they can be defeated. They are in a stalemate. Just like we have with Ukraine. Only instead of Ukrainians there is the first army of the world.
  7. Vadim Astashkin
    Vadim Astashkin 25 March 2022 20: 54
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    Time will show. The following should be noted:
    1. The pace of shipbuilding in China is superior to that of other countries in the world. They built faster only during the world wars.
    2. Project 055 destroyer outperforms almost any other destroyer in the world, except perhaps Zamvolt. However, the last 3 were built, the Chinese will be at least 16. Arly Burke Chinese 055 is superior, and the first Arly Burkes in 5 years will experience senile problems, and in 10 years they will begin to be written off.
    3. The Chinese fleet is concentrated in essentially 1 place in the world. The United States has scattered its fleet everywhere.
    4. When PL 096 goes into production, the Chinese will catch up with us and the States in terms of nuclear submarines.
    5. Aviki China builds, and builds quickly. Soon there will be many
    6. Shenyang J31 is almost finished, I don't think there will be any problems with it
    I want to say that by 2040-2050 the United States will not have an advantage in terms of fleet and aviation. Then it's all over for them
    1. chuyu
      chuyu 27 March 2022 22: 24
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      Fc-31
    2. Ryusei
      Ryusei 18 July 2022 17: 05
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      What utter nonsense.)
  8. PSih2097
    PSih2097 25 March 2022 22: 04
    -1
    Damn, the Ukrainians should be denationalized (starting with Kravchuk) for selling the Varyag and sawing Ulyanovsk with the sale of the Su-33 to China, and other figures for the collapse of the Nikolaev Shipyard ...
  9. KKND
    KKND 26 March 2022 03: 51
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    Quote: Oleg Kaptsov
    In terms of the height of the installation of radar antennas, the Chinese Nanchang has become an outsider among all projects of the XNUMXst century.

    And what is the point of raising part of the antennas high if there is a radar for detecting low-flying targets ?. Just the main AFARs are inclined at an angle in the vertical, to detect air targets.
    Quote: Oleg Kaptsov
    Therefore, centimeter-range antennas (in the form of two bands) are forced to be used in the anti-aircraft weapon control system. The receiving-transmitting elements in the middle part serve only for viewing the space. Such a prefabricated structure is inefficient in terms of dimensions. The "strips" of the tracking radar take away the usable area from the long-range radar. Not counting the difficulties in the mutual operation of the elements of such a radar.

    Most likely in the middle part of the survey and tracking antenna, and the side bands are antennas for transmitting commands to anti-aircraft missiles in the radio correction area. They are too small for the target tracking mode. Although this is just my guess.
    1. Santa Fe
      26 March 2022 13: 35
      +1
      And what is the point of raising part of the antennas high if there is a radar for detecting low-flying targets ?.

      Here she is just low
      Most likely in the middle part of the survey and tracking antenna, and the side bands are antennas for transmitting commands to anti-aircraft missiles in the radio correction area. They are too small for the target tracking mode. Although this is just my guess.

      You are right in my opinion

      This is fully consistent with the description of one well-known system, the Patriot air defense radar.

      Several antennas in addition to the main one, including a friend or foe transponder and a communication channel with missiles. True main antenna C band
  10. House 25 Sq. 380
    House 25 Sq. 380 28 March 2022 14: 27
    +1
    China needs the Chinese "big fleet" not to capture Taiwan or defend the mainland, but to "poke its nose" on world communications, "project force", "push back" conflicts, protect and support allies and satellites overseas ... .
    Therefore, the Chinese will not build a fleet in a ratio of 1: 1 to the American one, and the analysis, calculation and prospects given in the material are largely speculative ...
    But while the US is jacking up military spending and spending huge sums on a fleet that will NOT be a "weapon of victory" in a potential US-China conflict, China is developing something that the US either does not have (hypersound), or is catching up with the US in those areas in which the backlog quite sensitive - aviation, air defense, ballistic missiles ...
    1. Ryusei
      Ryusei 18 July 2022 17: 03
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      Bullshit is all this.
  11. Ryusei
    Ryusei 18 July 2022 17: 02
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    The title of the strongest is deserved in battle, the rest is bullshit.