GRK "Dagger": for the drawn is very good

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So, the video from which you can see the last seconds of the flight and, in fact, the use of a certain rocket weaponsalready bypassed the Internet. Unfortunately, we cannot publish it here, since the audio track consists of expressions that are not compatible with publication. Very emotional, of course, but censorship allows only two pretexts. The rest, alas.

The video shows the final segment of the rocket's flight and a very powerful explosion quite well.



GRK "Dagger": for the drawn is very good



Official sources claim that this was the use of the Kinzhal GRK on March 18, 2022 near the village of Delyatyn, Ivano-Frankivsk region of Ukraine. During the strike, the underground warehouse of missiles and other ammunition of the 136th material support center of the Ukrainian Armed Forces was destroyed.

The video makes it possible to estimate the speed of the rocket, it clearly exceeded the speed of sound by a lot. Unfortunately, the image quality could not give a clear understanding of the classification of the missile. However, the flight path, more suitable for a cruise than for a ballistic missile, allows us to conclude that it was definitely not an Iskander.

"Caliber"? Well, some models of it can have a speed of about 3M when approaching. 3M-54E, for example. But the warhead there is only 200 kg, and in our case it hit much harder. The rest don't fly at that speed. The normal speed for the KR "Caliber" is about 0,8M.

And yes, I doubt that the strength of the hull of a cruise missile will be enough to break through the vault of an underground warehouse. That is, an explosion of the high-explosive part would take place, but on the surface. And in our case, the explosion was not deep underground, this is understandable, but not on the surface either. That is, the rocket definitely went deep for some distance.

It turns out, really "Dagger"?



Here, probably, it was very insulting to those who over the years stubbornly promoted the idea that the "Dagger" is nothing more than a cartoon. I agree with those who were very critical of the "wonder weapon" such as a long-flying atomic bomb in the atmosphere or dronecapable of crossing half the world under water. There is something in both projects, from the world of fairy tales.

But in terms of rocket technology, despite all the cataclysms that have been shaking the country for the past 30 years, everything is pretty decent with us. And this can be denied, but it is very difficult precisely in terms of argumentation, because there were already launches of Caliber, which flew from the Caspian Sea to Syria and got there where they needed to. And it was recorded not only by us and those who were hit. This was observed by many countries with their tracking equipment.

Russia is able to make rocket weapons at the highest level. This was shown by the Iskanders, which will be discussed in the near future on our pages, and the Caliber. Why not use the "Dagger" in combat conditions?

Turns out it was applied. And not at the level of cartoons, but at the level of underground warehouses in Delyatyn and the fuel and lubricant base in Konstantinovka, Mykolaiv region.

They launched, of course, from the MiG-31K of the Southern Military District, which are based in Akhtubinsk.


What is GRK "Dagger"?


The Kinzhal hypersonic missile system consists of two components.


The first is the MiG-31K carrier aircraft, upgraded accordingly to carry the 9-S-7760 missile. The MiG-31K, after being "sharpened" under the "Dagger", cannot carry most of its conventional weapons, but, to be honest, it does not really need it. But if you dismantle (not a very complicated procedure) the suspension system for the 9-S-7760, then “the MiG-31K again becomes an interceptor.

In the MiG-31K variant, the aircraft actually plays the role of the first stage of the rocket, which allows it to lift off the ground, gain altitude and initial speed. The rocket is launched from a height of 12-15 km, in a rarefied atmosphere.


Rocket 9-S-7760 - aeroballistic. That is, the maneuvering of the rocket in flight and keeping on course is due to the speed of the outflow of gas jets of the engines, and not due to the plumage, as in a cruise missile.

An engine that is capable of achieving such high speeds and maneuvering at them is the so-called solid propellant rocket engine, a solid propellant rocket engine that uses solid fuel and an oxidizer (the oxidizer can be liquid) as fuel. This is a scheme that has been proven over the years, working on hundreds and even thousands of missiles such as Minuteman, Trident, Polaris, Bulava, Topol, Yars. And it is convenient to store, unlike liquid fuel rockets.

What else can be said about the product 9-S-7760? The maximum speed is 10-12M, that is, up to 14500 km / h. The rocket reaches its maximum speed at an altitude of 20 km. The flight range is about 2000 km, excluding the flight range of the MiG-31K, which, with refueling, can fly a very significant distance.

KVO (circular probable deviation) about 1 meter. I.e. precision at the highest level. The mass of the warhead is 500 kg, that is, it is possible to place both high-explosive and nuclear warheads.

So if something was used in Delyatin, then "Dagger" is the most suitable for this role. A missile that travels at great speed, capable of going deep into the ground and exploding there, incapacitating, say, loading terminals.

A little more efficient than what's drawn, isn't it?


The air complex is only half the story. There is a very interesting photo, which shows a clearly "recovered" "Dagger". Most likely, this is a model for aerodynamic tests, but ...


There is information that a new variation on the 9-C-7760 theme will become larger and heavier. The length will increase to 11 meters, and the weight will increase to 7,5 tons. This is due to the addition to the 9-S-7760 of the second stage from the 9M723 missile of the Iskander-M complex.

Such modernization should increase the range of the missile and make it possible to launch from the ground.


No matter how good the MiG-31K is as a carrier of such high-class weapons, the former interceptor-turned-attack aircraft can carry only one 9-S-7760 missile. This is clearly not enough, therefore it makes sense to consider more powerful Tu-22M and Tu-160M2 aircraft as carriers.

Or, as an option - a really ground launch. This can significantly increase the capabilities of the new complex in terms of application. The mobile complex on a wheeled chassis will be able to carry out launches at targets located at a distance of up to 1500-2000 km with impunity. That is, leaving no chance for the enemy to intercept.

In addition, the demonstrated accuracy of the defeat makes it possible for our potential adversaries to draw the appropriate conclusions and remain potential.

After all, the destroyed Tochka U missile storage base and aviation ammunition is a fairly well-known facility built back in the USSR with all the consequences. Neither more nor less, but one of the four central nuclear weapons storage bases, the so-called "Object 711" or "Ivano-Frankivsk 16".


This is a rather large complex of underground and aboveground structures, in addition to warehouses, it included a railway station, a household unit, a hospital, and a military camp.

In 1993, all nuclear weapons from Delyatyn were taken to Russia. On the site of a nuclear warehouse, an ordinary 136th center for providing missiles and ammunition to the Ukrainian Air Force arose. In 2018, two mountain assault battalions of the 10th separate mountain assault brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were added to the center.

And underground, at a depth of almost 20 meters, now ordinary ammunition was stored. Naturally, the storage facility was built according to Soviet anti-nuclear protection standards, so it is simply not worth talking about destroying it with conventional ammunition. Soviet structures of this kind are capable of withstanding a nuclear warhead strike.

However, the huge kinetic energy of the "Dagger" and its warhead, coupled with accuracy, can make the use of the complex unusable if they get into the area of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbthe entrance adits and destroy them. How is it possible to operate such an underground warehouse, in which the entrance parts are destroyed? It is clear that if you work hard, you can restore and clear everything. But there is already a question of time during which the Armed Forces of Ukraine will have to remain without ammunition.

Сonclusion


The use of 9-S-7760 from a distance of about 1 km from a height of 000 km showed that the Kinzhal complex fully complies with the declared characteristics. This is especially pleasing in terms of accuracy. And here is really, very useful information for reflection for many.


Tests in a combat situation were more than successful, you can start waiting for ground and surface systems. It's okay if, for example, "Cleaver" and "Sword" are added to the "Dagger".

And it should be noted the political component of what is happening. The target in the Ivano-Frankivsk region is very far from the places of the special operation. But there, representatives of the West can very well study the consequences of a strike on warehouses and draw appropriate conclusions about the capabilities of the "Dagger".

It is difficult to say whether there will be hysteria about this on the sidelines of NATO, but the fact that they will have something to think about is clear as daylight. The main thing is to draw the right conclusions.
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  1. +7
    22 March 2022 04: 42
    "DAGGER" is a subtle allusion to thick circumstances to our enemies.
    1. +4
      22 March 2022 22: 22
      Quote: Borik
      "DAGGER" is a subtle allusion to thick circumstances to our enemies.

      But the Americans did not understand. "Well stupid!" (from)
      "There is no complete clarity here. We believe that this is of course possible, but, frankly, it makes you scratch your head a little. It is not entirely clear why" - said a Pentagon spokesman.
      In fact, they are very understanding. There is simply nothing more to mumble! Yes
    2. 0
      22 May 2022 16: 16
      This vaunted video clip from the outskirts, where they say that the "Dagger" is not a Dagger but another rocket, the speed there is definitely not hypersonic, you can count how many seconds between the arrival of the rocket itself and the sound and determine the approximate speed. They say that on the video there is an 'anti-ship' missile, 'Yakhont' or something like that... launched at a named target, of course.
  2. +2
    22 March 2022 04: 49
    Probably everyone has already watched the video with obscene language. But I'm not interested in vocabulary laughing , but such an observation: we clearly see the high-speed flight of a fireball-like object, but before the impact, the flash from which is also visible, the rocket fireball is no longer visible, although it clearly has not gone beyond the horizon. Doesn't this mean a sharp decrease in the speed of the rocket in front of the target? Indeed, in a cocoon of plasma, as it is believed, the normal operation of any seeker is difficult, which means that for accurate aiming, this plasma must be disposed of. Maybe there are other considerations?
    I exclude bad visibility.
    1. +1
      22 March 2022 05: 09
      There are a couple of videos where the missile hits the target. You can calculate the speed at the finish line, if not laziness
      1. KCA
        +5
        22 March 2022 07: 02
        According to the Zvezda, they showed the hit of the Zircon on the target, the camera was screwed somewhere on the target, so the rocket itself is somehow not visible there, there is nothing at all, and suddenly a column of water (instead of a warhead there was a blank), how is the speed on finish calculate..
        1. +1
          22 March 2022 09: 07
          This may mean that the rocket managed to travel several tens of meters during the time BETWEEN the camera frames. Gopro usually shoots 60 frames per second, but there are modes with 30, or 120. It depends on the camera model. In any case, the speed is far beyond supersonic.
          1. +8
            22 March 2022 14: 39
            Shouldn't there be a shock wave from a rocket flying at supersonic speed? The author of the video should have received it after the flight.
            1. +6
              22 March 2022 15: 46
              So he got it, the roar is very clearly audible.
        2. +1
          22 March 2022 11: 40
          Even in the video of the Stars and the First rocket, they just showed it at the finish line. Can you guess
      2. +3
        22 March 2022 12: 39
        I immediately calculated that if the video was filmed at 30fps, then the speed of the target is about 2km/s
    2. +14
      22 March 2022 05: 17
      Vladimir 2U-you, like many on the site, are confused by how the missile is aimed at the target when flying in a cloud of plasma, from here you make the wrong conclusion that the missile slowed down before hitting the target! Then, why is a hypersonic weapon needed at all? and the huge kinetic energy is an undoubted advantage of such a weapon that hits any target! It does not slow down before hitting the target, it does not slow down. And, how is it induced? Well induced! You don’t need to know more if you want to continue to sleep peacefully ...
      1. -3
        22 March 2022 06: 40
        Quote: Thrifty
        when flying in a cloud of plasma, from here you make the wrong conclusion that the rocket slowed down before hitting the target!
        What didn't I write clearly?
        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        we clearly see the high-speed flight of a fireball-like object, but before the impact, the flash from which is also visible, the rocket fireball is no longer visible, although it clearly did not go beyond the horizon.
        The glow around the rocket is gone, is that visible?

        Quote: Thrifty
        It does not slow down before hitting the target, does not slow down. And, how is it induced? Well induced! You don’t need to know more if you want to continue to sleep peacefully ..

        That is, you have nothing to say about the explicit exit of the rocket from the plasma.
        But besides the work of the seeker, there is another consideration: high-speed flight in plasma is clearly close to the horizontal, and the speed can be dropped before a sharp dive on the target. Just so that the rocket does not fall apart under overload.
        1. +7
          22 March 2022 07: 16
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          The glow around the rocket is gone, is that visible?

          What makes you think that this is a cocoon of plasma? At the end of the video, you can see that a contrail from burned fuel remained in the sky.
          This is the work of a jet engine and not air heated to plasma.
          1. 0
            22 March 2022 08: 31
            Quote: KKND
            This is the work of a jet engine and not air heated to plasma.

            But this is already a consideration, although not controversial, and not an attempt to hurt.
          2. +1
            22 March 2022 11: 28
            the video is generally doubtful, as is the undermining.
            but this does not deny the fact of application.
    3. +11
      22 March 2022 06: 50
      the impact there is from the sonic cone, not from the explosion
      1. -2
        22 March 2022 07: 13
        Quote from Johnson Smithson
        the impact there is from the sonic cone, not from the explosion

        Wipe your eyes:
        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        but before hitting вспышка from which is also visible
        1. +14
          22 March 2022 07: 15
          firstly, there is no flash,

          secondly, if there had been an explosion, then the sound would have come with a big delay, the sound delay was 3 seconds per kilometer from the explosion site, in the video it would have been 5-10 seconds later than it is

          this clap is just a sound cone from a hypersonic missile flight

          1. -3
            22 March 2022 08: 22
            Quote from Johnson Smithson
            firstly, there is no flash,

            Yes, there is no flash, I need to wipe my eyes, and glasses at the same time! recourse

            Quote from Johnson Smithson
            this clap is just a sound cone from a hypersonic missile flight
            Well, I’m aware of the supersonic impact, I didn’t write about it.
            1. -1
              22 March 2022 08: 31
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              Yes, there is no flash, I need to wipe my eyes, and glasses at the same time!

              It remains to look and think a little more, and you will understand that there is no plasma cocoon either. This is a normal jet engine.
              Spoiler. At speeds of 5-10 M, the air does not yet begin to glow.
        2. +7
          22 March 2022 07: 45
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          Wipe your eyes:

          The whole YouTube has already understood that this is a sonicboom and a flash in the sky is due to camera shake in the hands of the operator and changes in exposure and the amount of light entering the camera matrix, not from an explosion. Stop composing there is no explosion. It’s easier about effective topic managers, here on the site, there are a lot of articles, I think they are waiting for you there.
          1. -1
            22 March 2022 08: 28
            Quote: KKND
            The whole YouTube has already understood that this is a sonicboom and a flash in the sky is due to camera shake in the hands of the operator and changes in exposure and the amount of light entering the camera matrix, not from an explosion.

            I didn’t write a word about sonicboom (correctly supersonic boom, but in Russian supersonic impact). And wrote about hitting the target accompanied by flash.
            This is where he made a mistake, indeed there is no flash or, accordingly, a blow on the video. I need to wipe my eyes and glasses at the same time. laughing

            Quote: KKND
            About effective theme managers easier
            I apparently washed you somewhere, why were you so worried about being effective?
            1. +5
              22 March 2022 08: 40
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              I didn’t write a word about sonicboom (correctly supersonic boom, but in Russian supersonic impact).

              In English, the term sonicboom specifically refers to shock waves during supersonic body movement. The term supersonic boom is not there.
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              I apparently washed you somewhere, why were you so worried about being effective?

              They wrote that I can’t raise the intellectual level of the site. And here I am moving such topics, compared to you. request
              1. -6
                22 March 2022 09: 00
                Quote: KKND
                The term supersonic boom is not there.

                Yes? It's a pity, well, at least a supersonic impact - that is? Also no? Darn.

                Quote: KKND
                And here I am moving such topics, compared to you.

                Actually, I posted a comment as an occasion for discussion. And the discussion presupposes some kind of development.
                Quote: Vladimir_2U
                Maybe there are other considerations?


                But your "teach materiel" and so on - do not imply development. hi
                1. +5
                  22 March 2022 09: 16
                  Quote: Vladimir_2U
                  Actually, I posted a comment as an occasion for discussion. And the discussion presupposes some kind of development.

                  I understand who you are. Topic closed.
                  Quote: Vladimir_2U
                  But your "teach materiel" and so on - do not imply development.

                  I know that rudeness is not welcome. I will be less rude. But from your "brotherhood" I rarely saw complex comments. Maybe still learn materiel? hi
    4. +4
      22 March 2022 07: 03
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      Indeed, in a cocoon of plasma, as it is believed, the normal operation of any seeker is difficult, which means that for accurate aiming, this plasma must be disposed of. Maybe there are other considerations?

      Plasma, as a current conductor, is not transparent to radio bands. Starting from IR, EM waves quietly pass through the plasma. In the cases of the Dagger, the plasma is very hot, but the optical range and above should easily pass, with refraction.
      Learn the materiel - this is not for you to scribble comments about "effective managers".
      1. -1
        22 March 2022 07: 17
        Quote: KKND
        In the cases of the Dagger, the plasma is very hot, but the optical range and above should easily pass, with refraction.
        Owe who? To you?

        Quote: KKND
        with refraction.
        And refraction, in your opinion, is not a difficulty for the work of the GOS? Or could compaction, and significantly, of air at that speed be no problem?

        Quote: KKND
        Learn the materiel - this is not for you to scribble comments about "effective managers".
        What you wrote is not a "consideration", but like a pin up, ignoring the essence.
        1. 0
          22 March 2022 07: 34
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          Owe who? To you?

          Uh, what do you want to say? The plasma does not interfere with the optical range.
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          And refraction, in your opinion, is not a difficulty for the work of the GOS? Or could compaction, and significantly, of air at that speed be no problem?

          Uh, did you study physics at school? condensing air and causing refraction. Knowing, experimentally, the optical distortions resulting from air compaction in front of the missile seeker can be obtained with the help of lenses with a normal image.
          1. ban
            +2
            22 March 2022 08: 17
            The plasma does not interfere with the optical range.


            Yeah)))
            Have you ever seen plasma?
            1. +3
              22 March 2022 08: 23
              Quote: ban
              Yeah)))
              Have you ever seen plasma?

              Plasma is an ionized gas. It doesn't have to glow. Airglow with hyper sound starts from Mach 25, at speeds where meteorites hit.
              At 5–10 M, no airglow is observed.
              1. ban
                +1
                22 March 2022 11: 06
                Remember the old fluorescent lamps? So, there is a "cold" plasma. Imagine how "hot" glows. Electric welding is an example for you
          2. -3
            22 March 2022 08: 47
            Quote: KKND
            Uh, what do you want to say? The plasma does not interfere with the optical range.
            Like this? Plasma, you know, it's different! laughing
            But in fact, I’ll probably forget about plasma, indeed, the speeds are not the same.

            Quote: KKND
            Uh, did you study physics at school? condensing air and causing refraction. Knowing, experimentally, the optical distortions resulting from air compaction in front of the missile seeker can be obtained with the help of lenses with a normal image.

            And here it is debatable, not only is the heating very strong, but I also don’t think that this very seal is stable.
            And by the way, you can place the seeker not at the end as usual, but at the front lower at an angle to the horizon. Maybe.
            1. +2
              22 March 2022 09: 04
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              And here it is debatable, not only is the heating very strong, but I also don’t think that this very seal is stable.

              In fact, I do not think that the density at 5-10 M increases much for the refraction to be significant.
              In general, it is doubtful that the Dagger would have problems with plasma. X-15 also reaches 5 M at the moment, but it has an AR seeker. The same aeroballistic rocket. With solid propellant engine.
              The problem of the plasma cocoon, contrived by journalists. This is true, but not for military missiles.
              The plasma cocoon is a problem for deorbiting spacecraft. But there speeds from 8 km / s start approximately.
              1. -2
                22 March 2022 09: 18
                Quote: KKND
                In fact, I do not think that the density at 5-10 M increases much for the refraction to be significant.

                Yes, not too much, but aerodynamic heating is a problem.

                Quote: KKND
                In general, it is doubtful that the Dagger would have problems with plasma. X-15 also reaches 5 M at the moment, but it has an AR seeker. The same aeroballistic rocket. With solid propellant engine.

                Her ranges are indicated almost an order of magnitude smaller. Well, the AR seeker implies a non-metallic opaque fairing, and it can also be heat-resistant.
    5. +1
      22 March 2022 07: 04
      How can you slow down a rocket sharply, and even at such a speed?
      1. -4
        22 March 2022 08: 38
        Quote: Morris812
        How can you slow down a rocket sharply, and even at such a speed?

        Well, physically there is also aerdin. brakes and brake motors, and even at such speeds it is enough to turn off the main engine. Another question is that this is my assumption, not a statement.
    6. 9PA
      0
      22 March 2022 08: 06
      And how can she slow down sharply?
      1. -3
        22 March 2022 08: 38
        Well, physically there is also aerdin. brakes and brake motors, and even at such speeds it is enough to turn off the main engine. Another question is that this is my assumption, not a statement.
    7. 0
      22 March 2022 09: 44
      Decreasing speed in front of the target means a drop in the effectiveness of the strike many times over. A non-hypersonic missile of this size could not cause significant damage to the Soviet complex. I believe there are some ways to remove the plasma ball for a while without reducing the speed. I can even guess what
      1. +5
        22 March 2022 10: 57
        Yes, the article, in addition to emotions and indexes with an incomprehensible status, contains a number of wonderful pearls.
        The author is an engine that is capable of achieving such high speeds and maneuvering on them, the so-called solid propellant rocket engine, a solid propellant rocket engine that uses solid fuel and an oxidizer as fuel (the oxidizer can be liquid).

        Show a rocket with a solid propellant and a liquid oxidizer.

        Separately, reflections and photos about the enlarged Dagger cause a smile.
        1. +2
          22 March 2022 21: 02
          Quote: Pavel57
          photos about the enlarged Dagger bring a smile.

          Pavel, you "stole" a mockery from me about solid propellant rocket motors!
          It's good that at least about the "thick" Dagger they left a place to scoff. laughing
          And in the photo, the KR X-22 is vulgarly under the Carcass console. And even the vertical keel is visible if you look closely. But Romelu doesn’t care: he is on his own wave!
      2. 0
        22 March 2022 11: 40
        conventional warheads for ICBMs are dropped upon approach (aerodynamic braking and aiming).
        1. -2
          22 March 2022 13: 19
          I don't know if you'll believe it, but the Dagger is an UNUSUAL weapon. And his speed is his decisive advantage. To lose which would be, to put it mildly, strange ...
    8. 0
      22 March 2022 22: 06
      Excuse me, but how can she SHARPLY slow down?
      1. 0
        23 March 2022 03: 18
        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        Well, physically there is also aerdin. brakes and brake motors, and even at such speeds it is enough to turn off the main engine. Another question is that this is my assumption, not a statement.
        1. 0
          April 8 2022 12: 31
          I’m certainly not a great expert, but it seems to me that at such a speed when falling, the aerodynamic brakes will not help much, even with the engine turned off (although it seems to me that it had already turned off by the time of the fall), unless of course these brakes are located throughout the rocket
          1. 0
            April 8 2022 14: 38
            Quote from Alan_McCormack
            unless of course these brakes are located throughout the rocket

            Or they are not big enough.
    9. +1
      28 March 2022 23: 29
      Optical seeker, as on Iskander
  3. -5
    22 March 2022 04: 59
    Yeah. Aeroballistic - clearly to confuse the enemy. A normal air-launched cruise missile, judging by the trajectory in the mentioned video.
  4. +5
    22 March 2022 05: 06
    Just on the Dagger, unlike the Petrel and Poseidon, there were the least disputes. Skeptics, including myself, initially pointed to the flying Iskander, and not to the anti-ship missiles - the "aircraft carrier killer". Actually, that’s what happened: a couple more accelerating engines from the Mig31 were screwed to the Iskander. Together with Mig.
    1. +2
      22 March 2022 07: 11
      Quote: Tlauicol
      Just on the Dagger, unlike the Petrel and Poseidon, there were the least disputes.

      At the very beginning, according to numerous pictures, where the American X-51 was often depicted, many thought that this was a revolutionary rocket with a revolutionary ramjet engine with a supersonic supply of an oxidizer. But it turned out that this is an ordinary hypersonic aeroballistic missile, like, for example, the old X-15.
      Eka is not seen?
  5. +1
    22 March 2022 05: 51
    Max speed 10-12M,

    And the author did not confuse anything?
    1. 0
      22 March 2022 06: 14
      On the video, this is the speed. We see her for only a second, she waved about 7-10 km. The explosion might not be from her. Gone to the point. The trail doesn't look like her. It seems to be more to the right or something from the place of flight. Yes, I'm tired, and I'm going there, damn it.
      1. +1
        22 March 2022 09: 39
        In what second is 10 km? What are you thinking? It can be seen from the weather that the cloud cover is low. And the rocket goes below the clouds, i.e. at an altitude of about 700m. From the ground, visibility will be 5-7 km, which the rocket passed in 3-4 seconds (it passed less, because it disappeared into the clouds). Those. ordinary 3M speed. The usual ballistic Iskander passed along a low trajectory.
    2. +3
      22 March 2022 07: 46
      Quote: Jacket in stock
      And the author did not confuse anything?

      No, he just made up his mind.
  6. fiv
    +1
    22 March 2022 06: 39
    If the missile penetrated 20 meters from the surface to the storage itself, then it did so along a trajectory in the final section almost perpendicular to the surface. That is, it had to fly, given the very high speed, much higher, in order to perform a transition maneuver from horizontal to vertical flight without losing speed. So the video is not a Dagger, but an ordinary air conditioner. And the dagger is higher, it is not visible.
  7. +2
    22 March 2022 07: 08
    It's okay if, for example, "Cleaver" and "Sword" are added to the "Dagger".
    Yes, even though the "Pin", but it is already needed here and now ... This conflict clearly showed that, as always, we talked a lot and beautifully about the need for the WTO, they took individual samples to exhibitions, but that's when they were needed in large, commercial quantities our arsenals were empty.
    It was not in vain that I expressed my bewilderment about the use of our "Caliber" from the Black Sea on the military enterprises of the city of Nizhyn. If we had guided missiles for Tornadoes and Hurricanes, this work could be done by them. Same quality but cheaper
  8. 0
    22 March 2022 07: 12
    and the video itself?
    1. +1
      22 March 2022 07: 30
      Ignorant ..., There was only one swear word I managed to say .. laughing
  9. -4
    22 March 2022 07: 26
    It is difficult to say whether there will be hysteria about this on the sidelines of NATO, but the fact that they will have something to think about is clear as daylight. The main thing is to draw the right conclusions.

    The conclusion (I just cannot help but mention it) was made long ago and voiced:

    As for the corridors, boudoirs and other nooks and crannies of NATO - do not care about their conclusions. Today we have every right to destroy any NATO warship brazenly heading for the Russian coast ... And, really, various nuclear submarines or what other new formations are subject to destruction without warning ...
    Stop testing the patience and nobility of the Russians ...
  10. +7
    22 March 2022 07: 26
    One of Roman's most illiterate articles in the last few months. When he translates Western articles, it turns out more competently.
    Quote: Roman Skomorokhov
    Rocket 9-S-7760 - aeroballistic. That is, the maneuvering of the rocket in flight and keeping on course is due to the speed of the outflow of gas jets of the engines, and not due to the plumage, as in a cruise missile.

    Does the Dagger have no plumage? And what are those little stabilizers at the end of the hull? I will reveal a terrible secret, ballistic missiles have stabilizers, although not all of them.
    Quote: Roman Skomorokhov
    The use of 9-S-7760 from a distance of about 1 km from a height of 000 km showed that the Kinzhal complex fully complies with the declared characteristics.

    Did Roman understand the distance and height from the video? belay
    Quote: Roman Skomorokhov
    The air complex is only half the story. There is a very interesting photo, which shows a clearly "recovered" "Dagger". Most likely, this is a model for aerodynamic tests, but ...

    What? What layout? This is the X-22 anti-ship missile under the wing.
    Quote: Roman Skomorokhov
    What else can be said about the product 9-S-7760? The maximum speed is 10-12M, that is, up to 14500 km / h. The rocket reaches its maximum speed at an altitude of 20 km.

    In general, these data should be state. secret. Where did Roman get secret documents from?
    1. +3
      22 March 2022 09: 56
      In the article there is generally an enchanting moment.
      Or, as an option - a really ground launch. This can significantly increase the capabilities of the new complex in terms of application. The mobile complex on a wheeled chassis will be able to carry out launches at targets located at a distance of up to 1500-2000 km with impunity. That is, leaving no chance for the enemy to intercept.

      "Kinzhal" is served as a half and raised in the air "Iskander". Now the idea is to double it and put it on the PGRK laughing. The circle is closed! laughing
      And at the expense of the range, it is worth recalling that it was precisely the doubts about the real performance characteristics of this complex that served as the reason for the US withdrawal from the INF Treaty.
  11. +12
    22 March 2022 07: 26

    this is not a layout, this is X-22
    1. +1
      22 March 2022 08: 50
      Here is this moment at all tin. To pass off this old rocket as a "certain military secret" secret. Well I do not know....
      1. +2
        22 March 2022 10: 09
        Well, if only I hadn't ridden it for two years. I wouldn't know either
    2. 0
      22 March 2022 10: 23
      Quote: novel xnumx
      this is not a layout, this is X-22

      and another plane)))
      1. +4
        22 March 2022 10: 28
        well, supersonic and he can bring
        1. 0
          22 March 2022 12: 09
          Quote: novel xnumx
          well, supersonic and he can bring

          And how! moreover, 4 daggers, but so far they are being finalized and tested,
          but what's new (a thick dagger - according to the author), it's either a fight against ablation, or a new armor-piercing, and this is already sharpened by the Pentagon)))
  12. 0
    22 March 2022 07: 32
    Quote: Vladimir_2U
    Quote: Thrifty
    when flying in a cloud of plasma, from here you make the wrong conclusion that the rocket slowed down before hitting the target!
    What didn't I write clearly?
    Quote: Vladimir_2U
    we clearly see the high-speed flight of a fireball-like object, but before the impact, the flash from which is also visible, the rocket fireball is no longer visible, although it clearly did not go beyond the horizon.
    The glow around the rocket is gone, is that visible?

    Quote: Thrifty
    It does not slow down before hitting the target, does not slow down. And, how is it induced? Well induced! You don’t need to know more if you want to continue to sleep peacefully ..

    That is, you have nothing to say about the explicit exit of the rocket from the plasma.
    But besides the work of the seeker, there is another consideration: high-speed flight in plasma is clearly close to the horizontal, and the speed can be dropped before a sharp dive on the target. Just so that the rocket does not fall apart under overload.

    The angle has changed, and the glow is a feature of the shooting technique. There is no point in a rocket that slows down in front of the target. It's like waving your hand and then clapping. The kinetics of the rocket is just visible perfectly at the point of impact, so everything else is reflections on the topic to whom it seemed
  13. +1
    22 March 2022 07: 43
    But the warhead there is only 200 kg, and in our case it hit much harder. The rest don't fly at that speed.

    With hypersound, the kinetic energy itself is a damaging factor. Therefore, for some types of hypersonic weapons, the use of explosives is not provided.
  14. -1
    22 March 2022 09: 38
    IMHO, it's just a PR substitution of concepts. They treat readers as "ignorant"
    Because neither in the Dagger, nor in Caliber, no one thought to doubt. What was repeatedly discussed at VO.

    Cartoons were called completely different cartoons, from fans
    Then the characteristic Amer bombs will be added to the Hunter. That Photo of the Amer rocket will be stuck in instead of zircon. That is frames from a computer toy instead of a view from a UAV.
    The promoted Chechen buggies, the nuclear-space tug and the nuclear-motor KR disappeared into nowhere.

    It's a pity. It was interesting.
    1. 0
      22 March 2022 10: 05
      Author's quote -
      ... a solid fuel engine using a solid fuel and an oxidizer as fuel (the oxidizer can be liquid)
      Liquid oxidizer in a solid fuel engine - how is it?
      And it’s very interesting at what angle the rocket enters the ground, it’s better to hit underground objects vertically, but for this it must sharply change the trajectory
      1. +1
        22 March 2022 11: 37
        Such a part is paraphrased directly from WIKI, everything was on VO, everything is more or less true.
        A reminder of the materials of previous reviews.
  15. +1
    22 March 2022 11: 35
    There is a very interesting photo, which shows a clearly "recovered" "Dagger".
    - under the Carcass, the good old X hangs.
    So if something was used in Delyatin, then "Dagger" is the most suitable for this role.
    - since the times of the USSR, there have been a lot of missiles and bombs to destroy protected objects.
    A rocket that travels at great speed, capable of going deep into the ground and exploding there
    - in such conditions, it is not the "carcass" that works, but the warhead in a particularly strong shell.
    the so-called "Object 711" or "Ivano-Frankivsk 16"
    - the "object" in the video and photo is completely different.
  16. +1
    22 March 2022 11: 53
    it's so simple: go out into the street and shout in unison: Russian rocket, fly to ... it seemed to work with the ship ...
  17. 0
    22 March 2022 12: 38
    Here is another interesting statement -

    Author-
    The MiG-31K, after being "sharpened" under the "Dagger", cannot carry most of its conventional weapons, but, to be honest, it does not really need it. But if you dismantle (not a very complicated procedure) the suspension system for the 9-S-7760, then “the MiG-31K again becomes an interceptor.

    Questions arise -
    1. "Barrier" remained in working order, was there any information that it was dismantled?
    2. Remains an interceptor - with what set of weapons?
  18. 0
    22 March 2022 12: 44
    So, gentlemen from among the experts, I think you have already guessed that the dagger is just an improved version of the Iskander aeroballistic missile? No ramjet engines, and similar geometry, well, well?)
  19. +3
    22 March 2022 13: 05
    by video

    The flight speed is approximately 5M, as previously said by those who discussed not by agitation, but by capabilities.
    Flight altitude - 1500 meters.
  20. 0
    22 March 2022 14: 19
    Well, how about

    [media=https://avia.pro/news/na-video-popal-polyot-giperzvukovoy-rakety]
  21. +2
    22 March 2022 15: 16
    There is a very interesting photo, which shows a clearly "recovered" "Dagger".


    X-22 anti-ship missile (length 11m, 5800 kg)

    Rocket X-32
    1. +7
      22 March 2022 15: 43
      Quote: Bad_gr
      There is a very interesting photo, which shows a clearly "recovered" "Dagger".


      X-22 anti-ship missile (length 11m, 5800 kg)


      Exactly. The author of the article is simply lying, deliberately blowing smoke, that he allegedly saw something new there ... Although he does not even know the half-century old.
  22. +1
    22 March 2022 17: 34
    An excellent target for testing, but the probability that there are rockets for point-y points is about zero. All ammunition has long been distributed in parts with launchers. Keeping all your eggs in one basket is clearly not worth it. That and downed points today over the Belgorod region speak volumes. It's probably time to stop underestimating the Armed Forces of Ukraine. At least the course of today's "special operation", the losses during it, certainly scream about it.
  23. 0
    22 March 2022 20: 54
    I read somewhere that you can not land the Dagger, but put the Zircon on the wing.
  24. +1
    22 March 2022 21: 22
    There was infa that Bastion was used. The rocket in the video looks more like the Onyx from Bastion.
  25. 0
    23 March 2022 00: 42
    Judging by the speed and trajectory, the Onyx rocket hit the video. The Dagger has a quasi-ballistic trajectory, from top to bottom, and a speed of 10 M, which is clearly higher than in the video.
  26. 0
    23 March 2022 11: 57
    as I understand it, the principle of operation of the "dagger" is similar to the principle of operation of a cumulative charge: the monstrous in strength and direction of the kinetic energy of the impact is combined with the equally monstrous and directed energy of the explosion, and the resulting "jet" "burns through" tens of meters of rocks and concrete, exploding somewhere deep, inside ... zhuuutka kruuuuut !!!)))
  27. 0
    23 March 2022 15: 23
    Here is also "presumably a dagger":
    https://avia.pro/news/na-video-popal-polyot-giperzvukovoy-rakety
    The speed and angle of entry into the target corresponds.
  28. 0
    26 March 2022 20: 21
    What can we build a house?
    Let's draw, we'll live.
    What should we destroy?
    Let's shoot a cartoon - it will bzdyt!
  29. 0
    31 March 2022 13: 01
    On the video with mats "Onyx\Yakhont" or x-55, not "Dagger".
    The Dagger has an aeroballistic flight profile, and the rocket in the video has a low-altitude profile like that of the KR Yes
  30. 0
    April 1 2022 01: 59
    Kinzhal and Iskander are absolutely wonderful systems. But why a ground dagger, if there is an Iskander, I did not understand.
  31. 0
    12 July 2022 00: 53
    Dad on the farm? I agree! And you need to pray for the captured murderers, because hell threatens them.