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American expert spoke about the method of transferring Polish MiG-29s to Ukraine

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The almost complete destruction of the Ukrainian air force, most of whose aircraft were disabled by Russian strikes. aviation while still on the runways, made both the President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelensky and his Western patrons think about the possibility of transferring Soviet-made aircraft to Kiev, which are in service with NATO countries. Most of all, the MiG-29 of the Polish Air Force is suitable for this purpose.


However, the idea of ​​handing over the aircraft ran into fear on both the American and Polish sides of a backlash from Russia. Representatives of the American administration have repeatedly stated that the transfer of aircraft will not help Ukraine in any way, and it is better to transfer ATGMs and MANPADS to Ukrainians “in the old fashioned way”.

Meanwhile, US military expert John Venable, a former military pilot now working for the Heritage Foundation, told Defense News that the deal could have gone through had it not been publicly announced. According to Venable, one does not have to be seven spans in the forehead to come up with a way to transfer aircraft. If they are afraid to deliver them to Ukraine by air, they must be delivered by land on trucks.

Since the MiG-29 is already in service with the Ukrainian Air Force, Ukrainian pilots will immediately be able to use the new aircraft that have come into their possession. Additional training and retraining is not required for this. The only thing that will have to be mastered is the digital systems installed by the Polish military on some aircraft. But for this, Venable notes, a few hours will suffice.

As a last resort, the expert believes, the Ukrainian military could take Western spare parts and weapons from the Polish MiG-29s and reinstall them on their aircraft. The expert also called on Poland to re-equip Ukrainian aviation with AA-11 air-to-air missiles, which will allow Ukrainian Air Force pilots to operate more effectively in the sky against Russian aviation.
At the same time, Venable drew attention to the great danger posed by the Russian S-400 air defense systems. According to the expert, in order to protect themselves from Russian air defense strikes, Ukrainian pilots in MiGs need to fly as low as possible.

The American expert admits the possibility of transferring F-16 aircraft to Ukraine, which were decommissioned from the US Air Force. However, Washington is not yet ready to take such a step for fear of a reaction from Russia, which can be the most unpredictable.

At the same time, 42 US senators from the Republican Party turned to President Joe Biden with a request to transfer Soviet-made aircraft to Ukraine as soon as possible, apparently referring to the Polish MiG-29, as well as other similar aircraft that countries may have. NATO members from Eastern Europe. Much will now depend on what decision the White House ultimately makes. But attempts to transfer planes by air and, moreover, in convoys of trucks, may end the same way as the sending of mercenaries to the Yavorovsky training ground ended. And the Western authorities can only blame themselves for this.
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  1. Trevis
    Trevis 17 March 2022 13: 11
    +4
    And what will it give Ukraine?
    1. NIKN
      NIKN 17 March 2022 13: 17
      +5
      The expert also called on Poland to re-equip Ukrainian aviation with AA-11 air-to-air missiles.
      AA-11 is R-73 according to NATO classification actually .. Anyway, I propose to transfer aviation to Ukraine on submarines. :) The American military expert John Venable is weird about something, Maybe he will try to overtake a couple?
    2. XNUMX%
      XNUMX% 17 March 2022 13: 19
      +2
      Another pile of debt and a couple of hundred tons of scrap metal.
    3. Giant thought
      Giant thought 17 March 2022 13: 20
      +2
      By and large, this transfer will not give Ukraine anything, the aircraft will be destroyed either during transportation, or at airfields, or in the air. Only now the fact of the transfer can provoke hostilities between Russia and NATO.
      1. host
        host 17 March 2022 14: 16
        +1
        Quote: Giant thought
        either at the airport or in the air.
        Or at the State Enterprise Lvov State. aircraft repair plant. By the way, there seem to be four MIG-29s of Azerbaijan undergoing repairs and modernization, maybe Svidomo out of habit have already privatized them, or maybe they have already turned into metal.
        1. Alena Frolovna
          Alena Frolovna 18 March 2022 02: 08
          +1
          American expert spoke about the method of transferring Polish MiG-29s to Ukraine


          And Lithuania has long come up with a way to "transfer":
          1. host
            host 18 March 2022 05: 27
            +1
            Quote: Alena Frolovna
            American expert spoke about the method of transferring Polish MiG-29s to Ukraine


            And Lithuania has long come up with a way to "transfer"

            Alyona hi Yes, I've seen this photo before. laughing like South Koreans or Chinese, but also suitable for ukovoyak. wink
            1. Revolver
              Revolver 18 March 2022 06: 22
              +1
              Quote from host
              Quote: Alena Frolovna
              American expert spoke about the method of transferring Polish MiG-29s to Ukraine


              And Lithuania has long come up with a way to "transfer"

              Alyona hi Yes, I've seen this photo before. laughing like South Koreans or Chinese, but also suitable for ukovoyak. wink

              Persians
              1. host
                host 18 March 2022 06: 33
                +1
                Quote: Nagan
                Persians
                hi
                He's Bulgarian! Who cares request
                laughing
    4. Emergency
      Emergency 17 March 2022 13: 35
      +1
      Like what?! A reason to jump and chant "the whole world is with us."
      1. astra wild2
        astra wild2 17 March 2022 17: 06
        -1
        And some don't need anything else. It's kind of like a drug. At first it causes a "high", and then it becomes addictive. And to get the desired "high" you need to increase the "dose" and more often
    5. AlexVas44
      AlexVas44 17 March 2022 13: 40
      +1
      Tons of scrap metal, non-ferrous.
    6. iouris
      iouris 17 March 2022 14: 08
      -1
      This will not give Ukraine, it will draw NATO into the war.
    7. Pete mitchell
      Pete mitchell 17 March 2022 18: 00
      +3
      Quote: Trevis
      And what will it give Ukraine?

      Are they interested in the fate of the country 404? The further, the more obvious: to cut to the last Ukrainian - the fate prepared for them
  2. XNUMX%
    XNUMX% 17 March 2022 13: 16
    0
    Any attempt to transfer aviation to the Armed Forces of Ukraine will only increase Zelensky's financial debts. Whoever does not understand this, in the end, will be set up in full. The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation may well take as a guide to action something like the following - if someone transfers aircraft to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, then he does not need them, like the airfields on which they were based, then this country has too many aircraft and airfields ... and in them she no longer needs.
    And they will begin to reduce the number right at the place of deployment. There is no point in waiting for the Armed Forces of Ukraine to again sit at the controls of MIGs and SUs.
    As a result, Zelensky will become overwhelmed with debts, and the debile country that transferred aviation to him will gradually begin to be covered with ruins and losses, after each attempt to transfer something to someone. AND THERE WILL BE NO NUCLEAR WAR because of this. There will be a bacteriological one, it is already underway, but there will not be a nuclear one.
  3. Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov
    Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov 17 March 2022 13: 16
    +5
    If you are afraid to deliver them to Ukraine by air, you need to deliver them by land on trucks

    ***
    Maybe even horse-drawn transport...
    ***
    1. ABC-schutze
      ABC-schutze 17 March 2022 14: 12
      +1
      "If you are afraid to deliver them to Ukraine by air, you need to deliver them by land on trucks. ---"
      ****************************************************************
      I agree ...

      And the "carrier" on the lead truck of this column, appoint this "expert". Well, or as a coachman, on the "head" cart, if in the "Europe" the required amount for the "NATO tug" is found these days ...

      And after reading this:

      "According to the expert, in order to protect themselves from Russian air defense strikes, Ukrainian pilots on MiGs need to fly as low as possible."

      I remembered the words of Kaltenbrunner, from his conversation with "dad Muller" about Stirlitz:

      "I asked myself, 'Isn't he an idiot?'...

      Alas, it seems that the "expert" who voiced this "advice" is a blockhead. As I understand it, in his view, such means of destroying low-flying targets as MANPADS are at the disposal of the people's militias of the DPR and LPR, and there are no Russian Armed Forces ...

      Oh well...

      By the way, for some reason I still remembered that EXACTLY a "fighter", this is a combat aircraft designed for air combat. First of all...

      And how he will perform this particular task, for gaining air superiority from the Russian Armed Forces, "flying lower", it is difficult for me to imagine ...
      1. volodimer
        volodimer 17 March 2022 15: 49
        +2
        "According to the expert, in order to protect themselves from Russian air defense strikes, Ukrainian pilots on MiGs need to fly as low as possible."
        And if you do not take off, then safety will be 100% guaranteed.
  4. Nafanya from the sofa
    Nafanya from the sofa 17 March 2022 13: 18
    +2
    Meanwhile, US military expert John Venable, a former military pilot now working for the Heritage Foundation, told Defense News that the deal could have gone through had it not been publicly announced.

    I immediately remembered an old Jewish joke:
    Schaub I was so smart before,
    Like my Sara after
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 17 March 2022 14: 21
      +1
      Quote: Nafanya from the couch
      currently working at the Heritage Foundation

      so that's where the fascists from the Ahnenerbe fled ...
  5. mojohed2012
    mojohed2012 17 March 2022 13: 18
    +1
    Well, a truck with a trawl is driving, and on the trawl is an airplane with partially dismantled wings ?!
    Here are the first few being taken to the nearest Ukrainian airfield.
    But the Aerospace Forces are not asleep, there are satellites, UAVs, agents, just well-wishers. Well, will it really be a secret if planes are being transported over the earth.
    And here on .... And there are no planes, trucks, trawls and their escorts.
    And why was it necessary to transfer the former Polish aircraft to scrap metal?
    How will the Armed Forces of Ukraine solve at least some tasks with the help of individually delivered MiG-29s? Is it not enough for them to get different planes and UAVs every day?
    1. XNUMX%
      XNUMX% 17 March 2022 13: 26
      -1
      That's right, an airplane is, in fact, an aluminum tin can. A missile strike on the ground, with a very high probability, will make aircraft transported on the ground ... monuments ... of the stupidity and obscenity of all such decisions.
    2. Bolo
      Bolo 17 March 2022 13: 29
      0
      No, but what, the scheme is working: we give you an old junk (perhaps not working, when they bomb it, you still don’t know) you give us money. Oh, you don’t have money, well, then it will be written off from the accounts of Russia! That's all...
  6. Victor Dubovitsky
    Victor Dubovitsky 17 March 2022 13: 24
    -1
    And how to quickly adapt to the NATO (American) measurement system, in equipment calibrated in feet, gallons, miles and knots? It is impossible to change to the usual metric. It is impossible to change the brains of flyers. Those crumbs will be beaten during addiction, overflights and training, taking with them an even more scarce commodity - trained pilots.
    1. Reserve buildbat
      Reserve buildbat 17 March 2022 15: 48
      0
      So in Poland, the metric system, where will the feet-miles come from? The planes are Russian, transferred 30+ years ago, so you are mistaken.
  7. Victor Dubovitsky
    Victor Dubovitsky 17 March 2022 13: 26
    -1
    Quote: Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov
    If you are afraid to deliver them to Ukraine by air, you need to deliver them by land on trucks

    ***
    Maybe even horse-drawn transport...
    ***

    Even more imperceptibly - disassembled. In boxes.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 17 March 2022 13: 54
      0
      Quote: Victor Dubovitsky
      Even more imperceptibly - disassembled. In boxes.

      But to transport the boxes, on a mare or on bulls.
  8. sen
    sen 17 March 2022 13: 40
    +1
    Since the MiG-29 is already in service with the Ukrainian Air Force, Ukrainian pilots will immediately be able to use the new aircraft that have come into their possession.

    So there are no more pilots.
  9. Buck
    Buck 17 March 2022 13: 40
    +5
    Checkmate, cotton wool!
  10. mag nit
    mag nit 17 March 2022 13: 41
    0
    Scrap metal collection points in Ukraine work in three shifts.
    1. Raven 95
      Raven 95 17 March 2022 21: 26
      +7
      Yes, they do not take aircraft duralumin to reception points. Blades from engines - yes, a thing!
  11. Ravik
    Ravik 17 March 2022 13: 45
    -1
    Send more equipment and variety. We need scrap metal.
  12. singless
    singless 17 March 2022 13: 49
    -1
    make inscriptions in Russian immediately
  13. Pavel57
    Pavel57 17 March 2022 13: 49
    -1
    And what is the A-11 missile, which is not in Ukraine?
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 17 March 2022 14: 26
      -1
      the export version of the RVV-MD R-73 is AA-11 ARCHER, although I think in Ukraine there is an original version in normal quantities.
  14. Two
    Two 17 March 2022 14: 02
    0
    Rubber mockups not an option!? repeat
  15. Vladimir 290
    Vladimir 290 17 March 2022 14: 24
    +1
    Put this expert himself on a plane and to Ukraine, let him fly
  16. antikilller55
    antikilller55 17 March 2022 14: 25
    0
    Ukrov seems to be in trouble with the flight crew, even if these MiGs get to the recipient, there will be no one to fly on them.
  17. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 17 March 2022 14: 28
    -1
    So we disassemble the plane into parts, find a suitable trawl, a suicide driver. We drag it all to the Lviv repair plant, have fun collecting it for a week. We take off for a flight to a combat airfield. They did all this to make us tired. What we couldn’t fucking do in Poland. We wouldn’t suffer. Takeoff from Poland, C 400 does not distinguish F16 from MiG 29. Bzdyn shines not only on the airfield.
  18. Fisherman
    Fisherman 17 March 2022 14: 46
    -1
    Until they decide-Ukraine will not remain. The main task of the Yankees in this matter is the speedy elimination of the old fleet of Soviet aircraft by the countries of the former Eastern Bloc in order to sell their F to them without competitors. And the fact that pilots who risked for huge money (the dead won’t be paid anyway) will die to try to fight with us is also a kind of demilitarization, pilots are very expensive to train and this is a very long process, years and years, so without pilots there will be no "Ukrainian army" in the coming decades.
  19. 28st region
    28st region 17 March 2022 15: 09
    +1
    All these stories are in the next section of non-science fiction.
  20. Evil 55
    Evil 55 17 March 2022 15: 13
    +2
    Eksperd, Christmas tree sticks .. To integrate the MiG-29 of Poland into the Ukrainian Air Force system, you need to invest a lot of money and a couple of months to carry out the necessary work from installing friend or foe systems and navigation aids to replacing mounts for weapons adopted in Ukraine. .Well, Dumb (according to M. Zadornov) .. hi
  21. Altmann
    Altmann 17 March 2022 16: 43
    -1
    We must add the slogan: "weapons for Russia." It would be nice to remember who the arms supplier is outside the Americans! am
  22. Victor Dubovitsky
    Victor Dubovitsky 17 March 2022 16: 53
    0
    Quote: stock buildbat
    So in Poland, the metric system, where will the feet-miles come from? The planes are Russian, transferred 30+ years ago, so you are mistaken.

    They transferred their weapons, in particular, aviation, to NATO standards. Let's clarify this issue together.
  23. puskarinkis
    puskarinkis 18 March 2022 20: 16
    0
    42 US senators from the Republican Party appealed to President Joe Biden with a request to transfer Soviet-made aircraft to Ukraine as soon as possible, apparently referring to the Polish MiG-29s.
    And after that, someone talks about the independence of the US allies?! They do not even think that something can be "not theirs"!