Why Moscow is negotiating with Kiev and how it all could end

Yuri Podolyaka

Yesterday I received, probably, 50 questions in a personal, about the negotiations between Kyiv and Moscow in Belarus. People are alarmed and ask essentially the same question - WHY?

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[rocket757]

Why Moscow is negotiating with Kiev and how it all could end

I don’t even want to think about it, BUT, we all remember, we know what a SHOT IN THE BACK is !!! moreover, if this happens, it will be a salvo, both ours and those who BELIEVE that everything will now be DIFFERENT!

[Alien From]

No guys, now there is no turning back !!!!!!! And to please the West with negotiations, for the sake of toilet paper it is not necessary

[rocket757]

Each high boss and politician in the office has such a colorful poster with an intelligible picture about how we will deal with traitors when OURS RETURN TO THE CITY!

[Alien From]

It’s a pity I can’t insert a picture (, but my mind boils, at the mere thought that everyone can screw up again! It seems that the first one said that we’ll go to the end! I will believe !!!!!!

[rocket757]

Yes, the GDP indicated that to the end ... but who so accurately showed, explained, specifically ... which end, in their understanding, is the final one?

[Machito]

Quote: rocket757

Yes, the GDP indicated that to the end ... but who so accurately showed, explained, specifically ... which end, in their understanding, is the final one?

The final end is a kirdyk to the fascists in Ukraine.
Or maybe the final end is kirdyk to the Eurofascist Union? Or USA?
In any case, Ukraine will have a complete final end.
Joke.
Stirlitz was exposed. He put his hand in his pocket.
-This is the end .... And where is the gun?

[rocket757]

Play, I BELIEVE - I DON'T BELIEVE, we won't.
Let's look at the result, if not the most final, then concrete and understandable.

[Pilat2009]

Quote: rocket757

Each high boss and politician in the office has such a colorful poster with an intelligible picture about how we will deal with traitors when OURS RETURN TO THE CITY!

Who is ours? And in what city?

[rocket757]

Question for personal reflection...
what city .... this is again personal, where is your capital, where are decisions made?

[Pilat2009]

Quote: rocket757

where is your capital, where decisions are made?

I have Moscow. And which of ours will return to Moscow?

[rocket757]

Do you have YOURS?
I always wrote that they are Soviet in spirit, for me they are OURS.

[Pilat2009]

Quote: rocket757

Do you have YOURS?

You write clearly your thoughts, then you won’t have to bring ours to Moscow

[rocket757]

Come on ... when were the slogans written clearly and understandably? Their goal is to uplift and inspire.
The whole analysis will turn around the usual slogan ...
I clearly realize that I will wait until OURS come, I have a chance ... not much. Maybe later, the descendants will create something similar.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: rocket757

we know what a SHOT IN THE BACK is !!!

What are the humanitarian corridors (does anyone follow them?)? What are the pauses?
Complete unconditional surrender until (time specified), after which (in case of non-compliance) complete annihilation without prisoners ...
Launch strike UAVs, raise reconnaissance, give aviation target designations ...

[rocket757]

No more minks and something like that!
We need the exact wording that everyone is waiting for"""
We are returning ours, we will not leave here, we will not give anything to anyone!

[Vladimir_2U]

And in the meantime:

The Minister of Education and Research of Moldova, Anatolie Topala, said that 37 children of Ukrainian refugees expressed a desire to study in Romanian, 40 in Ukrainian and 554 in Russian.

We got out of the pressure of Banderstadt and here you are!

[rocket757]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

We got out of the pressure of Banderstadt and here you are!

I did not find official information ... let's wait for confirmation.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: rocket757

I did not find official information ... let's wait for confirmation.

From whom, from Konashenkov? ))
Moldovan media write, not me:
https://newsmaker.md/rus/novosti/bolee-600-bezhentsev-iz-ukrainy-hotyat-uchitsya-v-shkolah-moldovy/

[rocket757]

Confirmation from multiple sources in Moldova....
the one you pointed to saw several of the same, BUT, none of them indicated where they got it from?
For me, as a Soviet person, this information is like a balm, BUT, you need to make sure that this is exactly the way it is ....

[Giant thought]

Yesterday President Putin announced that the special operation would be continued to the bitter end, there would be no conciliation. We believe the President, and not all sorts of different ones, pulling up from the doorway. These negotiations are not decisive in this situation.

[rocket757]

Quote: Thought Giant

We trust the President, and not any different

The question is not faith ... there will be a specific, understandable result, then there will be no doubts ON THIS QUESTION.
Everything is very simple, we are waiting with with with.

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Giant thought

Yesterday President Putin announced that the special operation would be continued to the bitter end, there would be no conciliation. We believe the President, and not all sorts of different ones, pulling up from the doorway. These negotiations are not decisive in this situation.

And what is the victorious end? We don’t know what Russia is demanding in the negotiations. If there are promises of disarmament and a neutral status, then they can sign. But then they immediately join the EU and even NATO. If we demand the recognition of Crimea, then it will be illegitimately at gunpoint. In general, the Ukrainian army is not the same as in 2014 and resists stubbornly, arms supplies are increasing

[paul3390]

I think that negotiations are underway with the Ukrainian oligarchs on the subject of what and on what conditions they will be left with.. Other options simply do not make sense, so that they don’t sign with Ukraine there - they still won’t lift sanctions from us, and even impose reparations. For any agreement is the defeat of the Russian Federation. And just like that - it will be perceived both throughout the world and within the country. This - the guarantor will never be forgiven. With all the consequences .. I really hope that he still understands that he went for broke ..

[rocket757]

Quote: paul3390

For any agreement is the defeat of the Russian Federation. And just like that - it will be perceived both throughout the world and within the country. This - the guarantor will never be forgiven. With all the ensuing..

The act of unconditional surrender will save many lives ... but it’s not realistic to expect this from the Kukuevskys, their owner will strangle them without leaving the "cash desk" where they folded the stolen money!

[Pilat2009]

Quote: paul3390

I think that negotiations are underway with the Ukrainian oligarchs on the subject of what and on what conditions they will be left with.. Other options simply do not make sense, so that they don’t sign with Ukraine there - they still won’t lift sanctions from us, and even impose reparations. For any agreement is the defeat of the Russian Federation. And just like that - it will be perceived both throughout the world and within the country. This - the guarantor will never be forgiven. With all the consequences .. I really hope that he still understands that he went for broke ..

To understand, he understands, only the stocks of missiles are not infinite

[paul3390]

Ukrovermacht too ..

[Scientist_]

Negotiating with the Nazis is just nonsense. It demoralizes those who are on our side there. People think - ours will fight, agree and leave, but the Nazis will remain. Plus it motivates would-be deserters not to run.

[Cron]

Quote from Scientist

Negotiating with the Nazis is just nonsense. It demoralizes those who are on our side there. People think - ours will fight, agree and leave, but the Nazis will remain. Plus it motivates would-be deserters not to run.

It would seem obvious things, but no .... And how many of our guys are dying because of such uncertainty? This also prevents the people who support us from actively starting to help us in the liberated territories. Our people say that there will be no occupation, but we recognize the power in Ukraine.

It was immediately clear that our negotiations were much more necessary. Those did not rush to them, but ours were still waiting. Those with all their appearance and statements showed contempt for us. Putin even stopped the troops. He really counted and counts on negotiations.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Cron

He really counted and counts on negotiations.

However, the third day has gone ... I see that it has not let go yet.

[Cron]

Quote: Paranoid50

However, the third day has gone ... I see that it has not let go yet.

Who and what does not let go? If Peskov says that we are ready to negotiate at least 24 hours a day in order to end the war faster. The negotiators, the Foreign Ministry, they all say the same thing. Is this such a cunning plan? I do not believe. Do they really think that Kyiv is denazifying itself?
At first, I did not write anything about the operation, I was sure that they would carry it through to the end. And then I listened to what diplomats were carrying ....

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Cron

Our people say that there will be no occupation, but we recognize the power in Ukraine

So if we recognize the government, why are we fighting then? I strongly doubt that the electorate will vote for the pro-Russians. Moreover, as soon as the troops leave, the massacre will begin

[riwas]

Yesterday I received, probably, 50 questions in a personal, about the negotiations between Kyiv and Moscow in Belarus. People are alarmed and ask essentially the same question - WHY?

If the United States withdraws from any agreements when it is to its advantage, then what can we say about Ukraine, whose constitution states that the country is striving to join NATO. And Putin and Zelensky have nothing to talk about. There will be only insults, or he will remember the "Servant of the People" and bring weapons to the negotiations. Only the defeated Armed Forces of Ukraine and the National Battalions, as well as the existence of the LDNR in an expanded version, can serve as a guarantee.

[Third district]

If some kind of agreement suddenly happens, people will certainly perceive it as a betrayal. Of course, TV propagandists will try to present all this in the most favorable light. But in the current situation, people will take it, to put it mildly, negatively. What our superiors think about when they negotiate with these scoundrels is unclear.

[Egoza]

Negotiations are being held to show the whole world that Russia is not against negotiations, but "they don't want to." And the operation does not stop in the meantime. And so on until all tasks are completed. IMHO

[Crete 25]

I am of the same opinion. I think we are just showing everyone a "picture" - demonstrating negotiability, which is also not superfluous in the conditions of an information war. Plus, we slightly amuse the vanity of some foreign politicians like Erdogan and Naftalin, who are struggling to dress up as doves of peace. It won't be redundant either.
The only pity is that the "Ukrainian side of the negotiations" understands all this and is doing about the same thing.

[Hindu]

Quote from Kreta25

I am of the same opinion. I think we are just showing everyone a "picture" - demonstrating negotiability, which is also not superfluous in the conditions of an information war. Plus, we slightly amuse the vanity of some foreign politicians like Erdogan and Naftalin, who are struggling to dress up as doves of peace. It won't be redundant either.
The only pity is that the "Ukrainian side of the negotiations" understands all this and is doing about the same thing.

Well, it turns out that again and again everything is done with an eye on the "partners"? Damn, it's already at the gene level or what? So that they like it. And what about the internal consumer, so to speak? Doesn't count? How will their population perceive information about negotiations with the Nazis? Is this bullshit?

[Crete 25]

You are too excited. Everyone understands that no matter what we do, the "partners" will not like it. Alas, life is such that without diplomacy one cannot get into a serious matter - and the matter, as you yourself understand, is serious. We do not appease the Ukrainian side in these negotiations (I hope so) - we show potential allies (and allies are needed, no matter how much we want to proudly spit and fence ourselves off from everyone with an iron curtain and find ourselves in complete isolation) that we are, in principle, ready for negotiations and the problem is not with us. As for the population, the vast majority are not diplomats, not military leaders, and not the government. We will never know what, why and how happened there, on the sidelines. We judge from our heights. Someone sharply condemns this kind of negotiations, someone tries to see hope for peace in them. Just like someone is sure that the sanctions will benefit Russia, and someone is sure that we are stars. How many people, so many opinions.

[your vsr 66-67]

Negotiations should be with the Ukronats in the following format:
Pinocchio and Solntsepeki should be ahead of our negotiators! And everyone will be calmer ..

[Mitia68]

A. Recognition of Crimea
B. Recognition of the LPR by the DPR
B. Denazification
E. The official status of the Russian language

The most vague point is "denazification". No one can clearly explain what it is?
A ban on the OUN, "freedom" and the "right sector"? Well, OK.
But Poroshenko's party should also be banned?
Should Zelensky's "servant of the people" party also be banned due to denazification?

[ivan2022]

Quote: Alien From

No guys, now there is no turning back !!!!!!! And to please the West with negotiations, for the sake of toilet paper it is not necessary

Be careful, ANYTHING is possible. It is the peoples of the West who would not tolerate such people as Yeltsin, Kravchuk and Shushkevich for a single day. Politicians who butchered their country like the carcass of a beast they killed. It was in the USA that the assault on the Congress ended within a day with the punishment of the guilty and the repentance of the instigators. In our country, the people elected Yeltsin as president for the second time after he shot the All-Russian Congress of People's Deputies from tanks in 1993. And now few people remember this. So do not worry, there are always "moves" ..... as they say; "If they announce that it is necessary to hang themselves, the question will be the same - Will they carry their rope or will they give it out?" Live and see nothing like this!

[Axon]

Everywhere one bastard.

[tank64rus]

Agree to negotiate. But appoint Ramzan Kadyrov as the head of the delegation.

[tolancop]

I don't know what the negotiations are about and with whom. But I categorically did not like the video in which Russian negotiators shake hands with Ukrainian negotiators with smiles. Left a deep impression. I'm fine, but I'm sure that these negotiations do not add morale to those who are actually fighting, for sure, thoughts are wandering in their heads about the impending drain.
In our official media, all ears were already buzzing about the fact that on the other side the Nazis (Nazis), the Kyiv authorities are incapable of negotiating, the control of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the National Battalions has been lost, etc. Well? What can be negotiated with the Nazis, who immediately wipe themselves with papers signed by them and do not care about orders from Kyiv? It just doesn't fit in my head. It’s just some kind of break in the pattern and the feeling that there are two Russias: the first, straining all its forces, is fighting, incurring losses, and the second, behind the back of the first, not really lurking, cooks up some of its deeds. Or maybe there is a third Russia and a fourth?
Diplomats failed to realize their chance and the situation reached the moment when the guns started talking. And I believe that until the guns fall silent, the diplomats need to sit quietly and not shine.

[Ermak_Timofeich]

Dear friends, everything has already been said (by the President), and there is nothing to add to what has been said - the operation will be brought to the achievement of the indicated goals. Everything else on the net is slander.