Why, as a result of the war, Ukraine will face not only denazification, but also deoligarchization and nationalization

Yuri Podolyaka
Today we're going to talk about what didn't happen. And also about what will happen in connection with this now.

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[MrFox]

When will our turn of deoligarchization come?

[YOUR]

Wait for your answer. Your comment is very important for us.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: MrFox

When will our turn of deoligarchization come?

Quote: YOUR

Wait for your answer. Your comment is very important for us.

Stay on the line and the first freed oligarch will answer you.

[Lighten]

Yes, at least tiktoker

[krot]

Deoligarchization is already happening! For example, Poroshenko is no longer a billionaire!

[Giant thought]

It seems that our oligarchs will not allow this to be done in Ukraine. They understand that the next de-oligarchization can happen in Russia, which is clearly not included in their plans.

[Carat]

And I think that our oligarchs will simply take over the property of Ukrainian oligarchs in Ukraine.

[Flooding]

Quote: Carat

And I think that our oligarchs will simply take over the property of Ukrainian oligarchs in Ukraine.

oligarchs avoid high risks
so no one will give them anything
to invest in the development of a new Ukraine?
I do not think that the oligarchs are capable of this

we can only talk about nationalization
but what? about the redemption of oligarchs' assets by the state?
but where to find such an abyss of money in a poor country?
means expropriation in favor of the state

which would only make sense if both the State itself and it were able to ensure the efficient use of the expropriated assets.

[Carat]

Well, there are little factories there in quite tolerable condition, which they cannot pass by out of greed.
The same Motor Sich, the Chinese will take over.

[Flooding]

Quote: Carat

Well, there are little factories there in quite tolerable condition, which they cannot pass by out of greed.

i understand what you mean
but for business, Ukraine is now in a high-risk area
and for the past eight years, it has not been particularly attractive for investment
such an investment can only be justified by the expectation of super-high returns

[Carat]

At first, yes, but over time, the risk will drop.

[Flooding]

Quote: Carat

At first, yes, but over time, the risk will drop.

it's years
years during which the population must be provided with work, and enterprises with orders.

if the question of the property of the Ukrainian oligarchs hangs in limbo for several years, it will mean one thing - the same people remain.
Can you imagine a new Ukraine with Kolomoisky and Akhmetov?
Me not.

[Carat]

It all depends on what will happen to Ukraine.
If it is attached as Crimea, then the state will invest in it as in Crimea.

[your1970]

Quote: Carat

If it is attached as Crimea, then the state will invest in it as in Crimea.

And nothing that Crimea less both in terms of area and population?
We will have to pay pensions to all their pensioners - no less than ours.
What about medicine? They don't have our MHI policies there, but they will have to be treated.
And so where do not throw ...
In fact, it will be necessary to stretch the current budget of the Russian Federation by another 1/4 - and it is not particularly rubber now ...
Z.y
And at the same time - unfinished Bandera will shoot in the back or just quietly sabotage

[your1970]

Quote: Flood

means expropriation in favor of the state

which would only make sense if both the State itself and it were able to ensure the efficient use of the expropriated assets.

The last time the expropriation of factories in 1918 ended in devastation and "war communism".
And this is quite obvious and understandable - incompetent people came to the management of factories and factories.
Now the situation will be exactly the same.
Leave the old leadership? Nonsense, they are corrupt in the bud + the oligarchs probably have dirt on them
Assign new? And who? Where to find there - honest, decent and competent?
Import from Russia? So no one really rushes to move there
And that's it, a dead end ..... collapse and unemployment under the general slogan "Cursed invaders!"

[Carat]

And it is clearly not a state.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Carat

And it is clearly not a state.

So this is their state! And it was built by them in order to protect the interests of the beneficiaries of criminal privatization.

[Flooding]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

Only those who are completely frostbitten still do not understand who will be the main beneficiary of this "special operation".

Alex,
I, apparently, from your submission am among the completely frostbitten.
Who is the main beneficiary of the special operation that you quoted?

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Flood

Who is the main beneficiary of the special operation that you quoted?

Those into whose hands the Donbass and Ukrainian "factories, newspapers, ships" will pass. Most likely they will be nationalized by the state, restored at the expense of the budget, and then they will be privatized by those who are "close to the body." Those. everything is as usual, the nationalization of losses and the privatization of profits.
Do you, for some reason, incomprehensible to me, think that this "special operation" will bring innumerable benefits to the Russian and Ukrainian people? Will it serve the cause of uniting the two fraternal peoples? Will Ukrainians love the fraternal Russian people even more?

[Flooding]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

Those into whose hands the Donbass and Ukrainian "factories, newspapers, ships" will pass

do you already know them?
because we are just discussing this issue.

Quote: aleksejkabanets

Do you, for some reason, incomprehensible to me, think that this "special operation" will bring innumerable benefits to the Russian and Ukrainian people?

I believe that this military operation is a necessary measure, a pre-emptive strike
and it pursues the goals of state security of the Russian Federation.

Quote: aleksejkabanets

Will it serve the cause of uniting the two fraternal peoples? Will Ukrainians love the fraternal Russian people even more?

the wrong question
it's not about love and hate
but about state expediency
somehow after the Civil War it turned out to rally society
and now we must do everything possible for this

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Flood

do you already know them?

And you know them too.

Quote: Flood

I believe that this military operation is a necessary measure, a pre-emptive strike
and it pursues the goals of state security of the Russian Federation.

She was a forced measure eight years ago! Why didn't she get through then? Where are all the people's commanders of the LNR and DNR? Then it was not carried out, because they were afraid of the popular movement, but today ......

[Flooding]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

And you know them too.

I'm used to speaking for myself

Quote: aleksejkabanets

She was a forced measure eight years ago! Why didn't she get through then?

in short, eight years ago Russia was not ready for open confrontation with the West

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Flood

in short, eight years ago Russia was not ready for open confrontation with the West

That's how! And today, is it ready? Well, you made me laugh.)))))

[Flooding]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

That's how! And today, is it ready? Well, you made me laugh.)))))

Something has been done in recent years. And in the matter of increasing defense capability. And on the external political circuit. Whether it's funny to you or not.

[paul3390]

our oligarchs will simply take over the property of Ukrainian oligarchs

I think - it is about this type of negotiations that are now going on .. What will be left to whom and on what conditions. What will you have to give...

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Thought Giant

They understand that the next de-oligarchization can happen in Russia as well,

But they do not understand that she is already coming.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Paranoid50

But they do not understand that she is already coming.

Can you elaborate on this? Where is it going, how is it going? When and what "newspapers, factories, ships" were handed over to labor collectives? I haven't noticed it yet.

[riwas]

When will our turn of deoligarchization come?

The West is pursuing such a policy with sanctions, but this is not for long. It will subside, they will get even more.

[Cartalon]

Raven - crow, the eye will not peck out.

[Carat]

Oligarchs are not crows, they are wolves always ready to devour each other.

[Vladimir_2U]

Well, at least Ukraine should be lucky in some way?!

[Flooding]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Well, at least Ukraine should be lucky in some way?!

she was lucky once already, and very big
it quietly and peacefully gained independence, leaving the USSR as a highly developed republic in every sense.

[Woodman]

The review, as usual, is interesting, but I do not agree with the ending. I do not consider it possible and necessary to preserve Ukraine not only as a state, but also as a single entity within Russia. Only as separate regions within Russia. Other options have already been tried - nothing good came of it either for Russia or for Ukraine.

[Commodore Arctic]

not deoligarchization, and pereoligarchization - let's not be modest!

[Maks1995]

You are strange.
We have already managed to forget the reaction to 33 heroes from the Old Man.

The media and the "elite" immediately began to write that he does not manage everything well, it is necessary to optimize, privatize and share.
Potassium, pipeline, machinery, etc.
But this is a "partner".

So you can expect the same in the square.
Divide among your own and negotiate with your own.

As it was in the republics, when all these ideas of "people's socialism", "Orthodox self-government", "Russian spring", "people's nationalization" were simply covered up.

The oligarchs, Edro, the security forces, the roof. And point.

[kig]

talk about what didn't happen

The strategist was found, fuck-tibidoh. The demilitarization will not end yet ...

[Alexfly]

And when ours to the nail? It's time already, snickering .... Proletarians of all countries, unite?

[alexey sidykin]

Quote: AlexFly

And when ours to the nail? It's time already, snickering .... Proletarians of all countries, unite?

Ano and we see how your proletariat unites ...

[Alexfly]

In vain you are so, by the way, this proletariat and tanks burned in the Second World War ... and now it burns, so hello to the oligarchs ..

[alexey sidykin]

Quote: AlexFly

In vain you are so, by the way, this proletariat and tanks burned in the Second World War ... and now it burns, so hello to the oligarchs ..

Hmm ... what is the connection between the militia, in which there were representatives of various professions up to professors, and the Red Army with one hundred and the proletariat of "different countries" or do you not know how the proletariat of France, the Czech Republic, Poland, Germany, Italy "helped" us, etc. d....

[Alexfly]

And what? As far as I know, the correct proletariat consisted of resistance .. others went for good luck, many did not return ... there were no hints at all about the militia and folksturm

[alexey sidykin]

Quote: AlexFly

And what? As far as I know, the correct proletariat consisted of resistance .. others went for good luck, many did not return ... there were no hints at all about the militia and folksturm

how the Czechs and the French resisted, you can tell me. Until recently, Czech factories worked for Germany ... and in the partisans there, ours fought more than the locals ... if you wish, this information is not difficult to find.

[Alexfly]

Well, you’re in vain about the French, they just partisaned to the fullest, in accordance with their capabilities ... You can’t compare the levels of the USSR and France .. I won’t say anything about Chekhov, I don’t know ..

[alexey sidykin]

Quote: AlexFly

Well, you’re in vain about the French, they just partisaned to the fullest, in accordance with their capabilities ... You can’t compare the levels of the USSR and France .. I won’t say anything about Chekhov, I don’t know ..

Yeah, these Frenchmen fought ... According to the recollections of our those who were in "poppies", they feared the local population no less than the Germans. And there is a video of how Parisians meet 44 captured Americans. A very typical video.

[sheet]

That's how you want, but it is unlikely that someone agreed with strengths before the start of the operation. And it cannot be at all that Putin took and hung his ears, believing them.
Yuri's version is beautiful, but implausible. The price of the words of the dash promises of any of the Ukrainian Tips for 8 years did not recognize only the deplete.

[Alexfly]

Yes, and in Russia, to press the oligarchy for a long time ... it’s still not enough sense ...