The source announced the possible re-creation of the 104th Guards Airborne Division

The airborne troops can be replenished with one more formation, the issue of recreating the legendary 104th Guards Airborne Division is being considered. This was reported by a source familiar with the situation.

According to the source, the military department has already made a fundamental decision to recreate the 104th airborne division, but the timing has not yet been determined. Presumably, the division will include three regiments, including the 345th parachute regiment, withdrawn from the division in 1992. There is no other information yet.

The fundamental decision to recreate the 104th Airborne Forces has been made, but the timing of its implementation has not yet been determined.

- leads TASS source words

It should be noted that information about the reconstruction of the 104th Airborne Division first appeared in 2019, then the former commander of the Airborne Forces Vladimir Shamanov announced this.

The 104th Guards Airborne Division of the Order of Kutuzov was formed in 1944, but the formation was finally completed in 1946. It was stationed in Azerbaijan in the city of Kirovabad (Ganja) and the city of Shamkhor, the motto is "Honour to yourself, Glory to the Motherland!", the symbol of the division is the desert scorpion. The division included: 328th Guards Airborne Regiment, 337th Guards Airborne Order of Alexander Nevsky 2nd Class Regiment, 345th Separate Guards Airborne Airborne Vienna Red Banner Order of Suvorov Regiment named after the 70th anniversary of the Lenin Komsomol .

In 1992, the 345th Airborne Regiment was withdrawn from the division with redeployment to the Republic of Abkhazia. In 1993, the division was withdrawn from Azerbaijan to the territory of Russia, and until 1998 it was stationed in Ulyanovsk. In 1998, the 104th Division was reorganized into the 31st Separate Guards Airborne Assault Brigade of the Order of Kutuzov.

Comments

[Maz]

It is high time to increase the share of the airborne forces in the ground forces, but it is even better to increase the share of airborne brigades and special forces

[Orange bigg]

Maybe it’s not worth it, otherwise in Kyiv they’ve already gone like cuckoo.

[Egoza]

Quote: OrangeBigg

Maybe it’s not worth it, otherwise in Kyiv they’ve already gone like cuckoo.

Worth it, really worth it. There Germany has already howled! Demands that Poland not allow trains with Ukrainian refugees to Germany. They will "concentrate" on a patch in memory there ... that's where the Airborne Forces will come in handy!

[igorbrsv]

It is better to leave this patch and wait until they begin to storm the border. The benefit of javelins and small arms was brought

[host]

Quote: OrangeBigg

Maybe it’s not worth it, otherwise in Kyiv they’ve already gone like cuckoo

In the European Parliament, after checking the number of Ukrainian refugees to Europe, the deputies are at a loss - 1/3 of the list are dark from Africa. This is how they fool themselves and others.

[2 Level Advisor]

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dark from africa

Negros in the sense of? or Afro-Ukrainians?

[host]

Quote: 2 level advisor

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dark from africa

Negros in the sense of? or Afro-Ukrainians?

Smiled

Afro-Ukrainians

, Negroes of pure blood arrived.

[Vladimir 290]

I hope at least in trousers and with forelocks, well, in extreme cases, in pots?

[riwas]

Negros in the sense of? or Afro-Ukrainians?

So they tried to pass at the border even earlier, they didn’t let them in, and then the mess began, they passed with everyone.

[cat Rusich]

Quote: 2 level advisor

Negros in the sense of? or Afro-Ukrainians?

[Luenkov]

Afro-Ukrainians are from South Africa ... They even robbed their national leader there ...

[Giant thought]

It is desirable that we quickly move from words to deeds, times are now harsh, and our defense capability must be increased promptly.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Maz

It is high time to increase the share of the airborne forces in the ground forces

Umm ... the Airborne Forces do not belong to the ground forces.
And why does the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation need even more formations of lightweight states on cardboard equipment, which, taking into account the state of the Military Transport Aviation, are mobile only in theory? What's the point in having another division if the number of airborne troops remains about the same?

Maybe it's better to deal with ground forces? To remove at least the BMP-1 from the parts of the first line.

[max702]

Yes, and to introduce helicopters into the staff with something else ..

[Luenkov]

Helicopters "in stock" is it from those park from the Zhiguli?

[SAG]

Quote: Alexey RA

Quote: Maz

It is high time to increase the share of the airborne forces in the ground forces

Umm ... the Airborne Forces do not belong to the ground forces.

Yes you? Have the stars of the sofa general been washed for a long time? Maybe you have awards for the blockade of YouTube or the capture of some fortress (40 degrees for example) ...

[Alexey RA]

Quote: SAG

Yes you?

Imagine.
The Airborne Forces are a separate branch of the armed forces (like the Strategic Missile Forces), not related to any type of armed forces.

[SAG]

Then I'm very sorry
.Apparently, from subordination to the General Staff, he considered it wrong ((
I'll go to the sofa to fight on

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Maz

It is high time to increase the share of the airborne forces in the ground forces, but it is even better to increase the share of airborne brigades and special forces

There are few of us, but we are in vests. We tear to pieces. Let the enemies be afraid.
I will mark the day of signing the order as a personal holiday.

In the meantime ... "FOR THE AIRBORNE FORCES!!!" (Though not August 2nd)

56th ODShBr, just in case, senior sergeant. "Afghan" demobilization. Repulsed, in short, on the whole head. One word - paratrooper. And the father is like that, and the grandfather, and the son in Ryazan is the same.

[Bogalex]

Is there an Airborne Force in the Ground Forces?

[Serg65]

Mironov should take patronage over her ... definitely!

[Okolotochny]

Did he serve there? By the way, in my opinion, the division was "mountain" in Soviet times. Was familiar, served in it in Kirovobad.

[Serg65]

Quote: Okolotochny

Did he serve there?

1971-1973 ... went to serve voluntarily, although he had a delay.

Quote: Okolotochny

By the way, in my opinion, the division was "mountain" in Soviet times

Mountain desert, not in vain their emblem is a scorpion

[Okolotochny]

Mountain desert, not in vain their emblem is a scorpion

I just wrote with pride))) The sands and mountains of Kyrgyzstan excite the imagination?))

[Serg65]

Well ... the 8th Guards was then recreated!

[Revolver]

Quote: Serg65

Mountain desert, not in vain their emblem is a scorpion

Scorpio is good. But the ribbon on the right, in Bandera's yellow-Blakit colors, is better to change to ... no matter what, as long as there is no association with Bandera. Even if once this combination of colors meant something good, now it is uniquely associated with Bandera abomination. Something like the sacred Indian symbol of the swastika, which was appropriated by the Nazis, or the rainbow, which in modern times means perversion.

[Bogalex]

The ribbon on the right is the sash of the Order of Kutuzov II degree. If you associate it with the Ukrainian flag, then... I don't even know... Maybe you should watch less TV?

[Revolver]

Quote: Bogalex

Maybe you should watch less TV?

Believe it or not, I can’t watch this zomboyaschik anymore. While the children were small, there was a box in the house, but without an antenna, only DVDs, cartoons to watch. And when the demand for cartoons fell, the box went to the landfill. So you hit with your finger ... I won’t say where.
And as for Kutuzov's ribbon ... alas, the Bandera people discredited this combination of colors so much that they primarily evoke negative emotions (well, or jingoistic patriotism and a desire to ride on the Maidan at ShcheNeVmerlykh). Most people, including me, are not very versed in order ribbons, and you probably don’t know everything by heart, even if you take only Soviet ones.

[Bogalex]

Alas for you, I am a falerist and I know the overwhelming, if not all, number of sashes of the Russian Empire, the USSR and the Russian Federation by heart. And, due to the prejudices of my hobby, I think that it is a shame for a citizen of his country not to know the colors of national heraldry, and even more so to confuse it with the national symbols of a neighboring state (yellow-BLUE flag of Ukraine), the colors of the order of his native country (BLUE with a yellow frame) and flowers nationalist pro-fascist movement (BLACK-RED), which we call "Bandera".

[Luenkov]

Yellow blue - the Swedes ... Ukraine is more of a swastika and a trident, again borrowed ...

[Bogalex]

There is no blue on the Swedish flag. There is blue. And in addition to Sweden and Ukraine, the combination of yellow and blue is on the flags of Kazakhstan and Palau, for example.
I don't know why, when discussing the colors of the Ukrainian flag, everyone immediately remembers the word "borrowing" and Sweden. Moreover, I do not understand why it is presented as something negative.
How many countries have flags with horizontal red, blue and white stripes, and what do the words "borrowing" and "double-headed eagle" have in common?

[Luenkov]

Peter, too, monkeyed. And what's wrong with that?

[Bogalex]

So I don't know either. And, by the way, not Peter, but his father, if anything.
But if there is nothing negative in this, then why did you write it?

Yellow blue - the Swedes ... Ukraine is more of a swastika and a trident, again borrowed ...

I took this as an attempt to point out the lack of independence in the development of foreign state symbols. I am wrong?

[Luenkov]

Independence of choice? Showing signs of apothenia. Who forced? If you are talking globally about Ukraine, then yes, I am against the preservation of the statehood of those who followed the path of Nazism. Absolutely.

[ycuce234-san]

Quote: Okolotochny

the division was "mountain" in Soviet times

This may mean that possible troubles are predicted in the mountains or deserts within the next 10 years. Perhaps another Afghan company.

[Serg65]

Quote: ycuce234-san

This could mean

It might not mean anything!

Quote: ycuce234-san

possible troubles are predicted in the mountains or deserts within the next 10 years

Isn't it easier to deploy the 34th Motorized Brigade into a division?

Quote: ycuce234-san

Perhaps another Afghan company.

love martin george?

[ycuce234-san]

Quote: Serg65

It might not mean anything!

This is the economy, money, expenses. If, objectively, they start spending money on restored specialized mountain formations, then somewhere in the mountains a problem is brewing. It is clearly not today's, but rather the day after tomorrow, since for an immediate decision they will use what is and not future specialists.

[Serg65]

Quote: ycuce234-san

If, objectively, they start spending money on restored specialized mountain formations, then somewhere in the mountains a problem is brewing

I will hint again ... there is a specialized mountain rifle brigade, it already exists .... that is. it is logical and cheaper to deploy it in a division! And about the 104th division ... not you, and even more so not me, we do not know the full information on the basis of which the Ministry of Defense decided to recreate this connection!

[ycuce234-san]

Wait and see. Apparently mountain riflemen will be very, very in demand in the next decade, since they still want to spend money on them in the current hellish economic situation.

[cat Rusich]

Quote: ycuce234-san

If, objectively, they start spending money on restored specialized mountain formations, then somewhere in the mountains a problem is brewing. .

The Carpathians are the same mountains ...

[ycuce234-san]

The Carpathians do not pass in time, I think. Asia, the Caucasus, in terms of tension and conflict, are much more promising.

[cat Rusich]

Quote: ycuce234-san

The Carpathians do not pass in time, I think. Asia, the Caucasus, in terms of tension and conflict, are much more promising.

Alps, Rocky Mountains...

[ycuce234-san]

Yeah, Anti-Lebanon and Qalamun, Jebel-Turkman, 15 years old and would not have come to anyone's head ...

[Alex777]

Quote: ycuce234-san

If, objectively, they start spending money on restored specialized mountain formations, then somewhere in the mountains a problem is brewing.

Aren't you tired of the showdown between Tajiks and Kyrgyz?

[Revolver]

The Carpathians, the Caucasus, Central Asia ... you never know where there are mountains or sands?

[RusGr]

Add the Black Sea emblem and place it in Novorossia, where the thread is near Odessa.

[Xnumx vis]

The time to scatter stones has passed. It's time to put it all together! And yes, the airborne division will not be superfluous in the country.

[maxim1987]

Quote: RusGr

Add the Black Sea emblem and place it in Novorossia, where the thread is near Odessa.

there like the 98th Bolgrad airborne division was

[Primipilus]

Crazy idea! The Aerospace Forces of the Russian Federation can somehow cope with the current number of airborne forces, and then they have to serve an entire division. Expanding the Airborne Forces in order to create a large number of elite infantry is also stupid. Instead, you need to improve the combat training of motorized riflemen. So you will have an elite infantry.

[RusGr]

To saturate the park with aircraft, for our territory - mobility is a serious trump card!

[Primipilus]

Under the USSR, the VTA Air Force was great and powerful, it is even ridiculous to compare it with the current VTA. And the Airborne Forces without planes and helicopters are just infantry, no matter how they call it. It is still possible to rename all the ground forces in the Airborne Forces, the sense is from this.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Primipilus

Under the USSR, the VTA Air Force was great and powerful, it is even ridiculous to compare it with the current VTA.

At the VIF, they somehow calculated that even in their best Soviet times, and even after the mobilization of the GA aircraft, our VTA could lift and throw out a little more than one airborne division - with standard equipment and supplies. And in the current state, the limit of the BTA is a pair of BTG.
So our Airborne Forces have long turned into very light motorized infantry - with cardboard equipment, without full-fledged artillery and air defense.

[Primipilus]

That's just the point, there are no rational reasons for expanding the composition of the Airborne Forces. Except for using them as some kind of elite infantry. But motorized riflemen will perform this task with greater success if they are well prepared and trained.

[Serg65]

Quote: Primipilus

this task will be performed with greater success by motorized riflemen if they are well prepared and trained.

As an ignoramus to a specialist ... who can be trained and prepared faster, more reliably and with high quality ... three divisions or 11 armies?

[Serg65]

Quote: Alexey RA

The Airborne Forces have long turned into very light motorized infantry

Moreover, only this motorized infantry, along with whatever equipment it may have, can be transferred from one theater to another within a few hours.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Serg65

Moreover, only this motorized infantry, along with whatever equipment it may have, can be transferred from one theater to another within a few hours.

So I don't argue with that. The strength of the Airborne Forces is in mobility.
The problem is different - an increase in the number of airborne units, not supported by an increase in the number of VTA, will not lead to an increase in combat power. Because the power of the Airborne Forces is determined not by the available divisions and brigades, but by the number of formations that can be raised by the VTA.
With the current state of affairs in the BTA, a third of the Airborne Forces units will reach their destination faster by rail than they will wait for the Il-76 and An-124 to be delivered. And if so, then why form an airborne division - parachute landing is not needed for the railway.

[Tavrik]

But can’t ordinary infantry be transported by the forces of the VTA and landed at the airfield?
And here we are approaching a very unpleasant question that has repeatedly surfaced in the VO: the expediency of airborne assault by parachute in the context of modern conflicts?
Has anyone been parachuted anywhere in the last three weeks? Even in conditions of air supremacy.
Or again: "this is not a typical case."
In fact, the Airborne Forces are well-trained, with high morale, elite infantry.

[Cympak]

An example before my eyes: how many battalions, regiments, airborne divisions were parachuted with technology during the current special operation in Ukraine?
And how many airborne troops did we observe moving along public roads on BMD, how much airborne equipment was transported by railway trains?
The answer is obvious: we do not need so many airborne forces with expensive airborne equipment. The airborne units should be 2-3 full loads that can be transported by the BTA. Not more. Everything else is called landing or air assault units and transferred to conventional ground armored vehicles.

[strannik1985]

"And conventional infantry cannot be transported"
You can, but the planes can still shoot in the air. To carry out the landing method, the airfield must be captured by someone. That is, a parachute landing method is needed, it just needs to be considered as the initial stage of deployment.

[strannik1985]

At the ETTD in the event of a conflict with NATO, in fact, VDO was carried out regularly (Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Afghanistan).

[Alexey RA]

Quote: strannik1985

At the ETTD in the event of a conflict with NATO, in fact, VDO was carried out regularly (Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Afghanistan).

These were very specific VDOs - landing assaults in conditions of complete absence of opposition. In fact, these were not VDO, but the transfer of airborne forces.
Hungary: landing on the airfields of Veszprem (31st Airborne Division) and Tekel (108th Airborne Division of the 7th Airborne Division). The second regiment of the 7th Airborne Division arrived in Budapest under its own power.
Czechoslovakia: landing in Prague (7th airborne division) and Brno (103rd airborne division).
Afghanistan: landing on the airfields of Kabul and Bagram (103rd Airborne Division and 345th Airborne Division).

[strannik1985]

Well, the Americans did not use the landing units of the 18th Airborne Forces against the ATS troops.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Primipilus

Crazy idea!

Did he serve in the army himself to make such statements? If so, in a construction battalion in Bashkiria?

[Primipilus]

Yes, you, my friend, boor! One can only guess what a construction battalion from Bashkiria did to you that you remember him like that. Be a man and control your emotions, do not slide into banal rudeness.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Primipilus

Yes, you, my friend, boor! One can only guess what a construction battalion from Bashkiria did to you that you remember him like that.

Yes, ham. And this boor was made by the Airborne Forces, training was done and 1 year, 18 months and 21 days in Kandahar. As part of the 56th, native, ODShBr. This is a word about Bashkiria.

And I feel that Bashkiria touched you ... It's simple - while I was running through the mountains with a machine gun - my school friend in Bashkiria in the construction battalion warmed his thighs with a captain. From there, the "construction battalion - Bashkiria".

And not for you, "my friend", to be my judge.

[Luenkov]

He warmed his thighs in Bashkiria friend. And after that, he stopped being a friend? ... Returning to a country that has changed while we were in a foreign land is not your only topic.

[Vladimir 290]

Well, the usual dispute "mabuta" - "fuel oil" begins, now other branches of the military will catch up. It’s good that our tankers don’t walk around the city in helmets for the day, although the bottles in it are probably more pleasant to hit on the head. And about the division, I think that once they are recreated, it means it is necessary. And all of them at the same time probably do not need to be transported by BTA.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Vladimir 290

Well, the usual dispute "mabuta" - "fuel oil" begins, now other branches of the military will catch up.

And there the border guards will catch up - and a dispute will begin shield and screws.

[Vladimir 290]

By the way, I consider border guards to be one of the most trained, disciplined and responsible branches of the armed forces. Although he did not serve in them, he had to interact directly. Impressions are only positive. And the ambition is less than that of the landings.

[Sasha1979]

There is some inaccuracy in the article: "... the Order of Alexander Nevsky, 2nd degree ...". The Order of Alexander Nevsky did not have degrees in the USSR, nor does it have degrees in the Russian Federation.

[fiberboard]

I also noticed that the Order of Suvorov appears there further, maybe it is of the second degree? He has three grades.

[Sasha1979]

Probably. The Order of Suvorov in the USSR had 3 degrees, in the Russian Federation 1 degree. Apparently you are right. Regiments in the Second World War were supposed to be 3rd degree (not 2nd), but in WWII this regiment could be a brigade, or even a division (that's why you get the Order of Suvorov 2nd, not 3rd degree)

[Kesha1980]

Good deed. Separate greetings to those who served in it - they will be very pleased with this news. I think it would be right to have less Ilov / Ants, more turntables in the flight park. Higher mobility and remember the landing in Gostomel is significant. The first wave, so to speak.

[Evgeny Ivanov_5]

Well then, revive the names of the regiments.

[uporov65]

Hello my dear division! Welcome home! DMB 1984-1986 Shamkhor

[Fisherman]

New strategies and tactics for effective military operations require highly mobile, specially trained units. So on time ... and very much in demand.

[riwas]

The special operation in Ukraine showed how relevant the Airborne Forces are. No one except them will be able to capture important enemy targets so quickly.

[XNUMX%]

Good news. Traditions are an integral part of the Russian army. I am for restoration.

[Doliva63]

Quote: Alexey RA

Quote: Primipilus

Under the USSR, the VTA Air Force was great and powerful, it is even ridiculous to compare it with the current VTA.

At the VIF, they somehow calculated that even in their best Soviet times, and even after the mobilization of the GA aircraft, our VTA could lift and throw out a little more than one airborne division - with standard equipment and supplies. And in the current state, the limit of the BTA is a pair of BTG.
So our Airborne Forces have long turned into very light motorized infantry - with cardboard equipment, without full-fledged artillery and air defense.

But how in the 68th during the night 2 divisions were transferred to Czechoslovakia? And, of course, we were all lied to!

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Doliva63

But how in the 68th during the night 2 divisions were transferred to Czechoslovakia? And, of course, we were all lied to!

Keywords - with standard equipment. In 1968, the landing for the most part was still on foot.

A division means artillery on vehicles, 120mm mortars on vehicles... Well, self-propelled guns, of course, and so on. But the infantry is all ... Only the commanders have radio stations. After all, the paratroopers did not have cars. It is now they are on combat vehicles, but we did not have cars.

© commander of the 7th Guards. VDD General L.N. Gorelov

[Hariton laptev]

Revive! with deployment on the territory of Ukraine. The personnel are contract soldiers from among the former military personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine who have undergone a thorough check. The backbone of the commanders and junior staff are Russians. Brainwashing on the basis of the fight against fascism. The goals are the destruction of the Bandera underground and the education of a new generation.

[bbss]

Glory to the Soviet Guard!

[Luenkov]

Question to the author: do he know the boundaries of what the Ukrainians entered Russia with? Cities created by the Russians, by what right were they given over to full for genocide?

[Diverter]

It would be very nice to have this unit in the RF Armed Forces!