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Air war: arrived-landed

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The case when you want to say with satisfaction the sacramental phrase: “But we warned you!”. Indeed, we have repeatedly raised the topic of what is happening in our civilian aviation. And there for the last 30 years there has been total degradation and squalor, moreover, with the official consent of government circles.


And here - get it and sign it.

For my part, after so many materials have been written about the need to revive the domestic aircraft industry, I would like to ask those who calmly took compensation from Boeing and Airbus: well, what will you do next?

But let's start from the beginning. With a declaration of war in the air.

The war has really begun. Planes, however, do not shoot down, but they do not allow to take off. Both the United States and the European Union almost simultaneously closed their flight corridors for Russian aircraft. Both passenger and transport.

Russia reacted immediately, responding in kind. The ban on flights of aircraft from 37 countries is no less sensitive, since now flights from Europe to East Asia will become a very difficult task, since not only will the duration of flights increase, but also it will be necessary to redraw all logistics anew, flying around Russia and making, if necessary, intermediate landings not in Moscow, Krasnodar or Novosibirsk, but somewhere else. But with this "somewhere else" it is necessary to agree, to carve out places and windows for ourselves, to get everything necessary for servicing flights. Fortunately, modern aircraft can fly non-stop for quite long distances.

Well, the fact that now a plane on a flight, for example, London-Tokyo, does not fly for 11 hours and 25-40 minutes, but for 14 hours and 20-50 minutes - well, this will only affect passengers and ticket prices. Transpolar flights from the USA and Canada to Asia have approximately the same difficulties.

But that was only the beginning.

The next number of the European program was the requirement of European companies in relation to Russian airlines to return all leased Airbus aircraft. Naturally, Boeing supported the partners and demanded the same.

An interesting point arose: how were Russian companies supposed to return planes to Europeans and Americans, if all of Europe and the USA are a continuous no-fly zone?

What Russian companies did in the current situation is probably the most reasonable thing that could be done. The planes are still on the ground, but the Europeans and Americans have been billed for their storage. Of course, no one wants to pay, because the demand for payment for storage is a blow below the belt. A very expensive business.

Realizing that everything was sad, the Europeans, followed by the Americans, immediately broke all contracts for the supply of spare parts and components for aircraft. Moreover, not only for Boeings and Airbuses, but also for the “Russian” MS-21-300 and SSJ 100, which automatically removed the planes of the Yakovlev and Sukhoi companies from the game.

All service and repairs were discontinued. The answer was the nationalization of all leased aircraft in Russia. Not that it’s a “soft spin”, but, as they say, “if such a booze has gone ...”.

In general, the situation is not the best. The fleet, which will be nationalized, can be used exclusively on domestic airlines. In any case, such an aircraft abroad in unfriendly and not quite friendly (that is, in most) countries will be immediately arrested. So all that remains for the requisitioned European and American aircraft is domestic flights.

Compensation at the expense of the airlines of friendly countries may not work either. Kazakhstan, in the conditions of Russia's exclusion from the international insurance system, does not yet know how to fly in the current conditions.

And what do we end up with?

Not very happy. Only aircraft owned by Russian airlines will be able to fly abroad. This is about two hundred aircraft. Those that are on lease (777 units in number) will fly only on domestic flights.

What tomorrow? Where can you get everything you need to service almost eight hundred aircraft, which will soon simply stop flying due to lack of repair and maintenance? It is clear that not immediately, it is clear that there is a certain amount of consumables in Russia, but 777 aircraft is a lot.

China has already refused to supply spare parts for Russian aircraft. You can understand the Chinese, it is unrealistic to buy spare parts for seven hundred aircraft “invisibly” so as not to fly into the sanctions from the Boeing.

So if the situation continues, then all these Boeings and Airbuses will soon be back on the ground. And God forbid, not after a couple of disasters.

By the way, given how complex a modern aircraft is, there is a certain probability of outputting some electronic parts remotely. And our "partners" can easily do this. What for them are two or three hundred Russians who died in a plane crash ...

Personally, I would not risk flying such a Boeing in a couple of years.

What tomorrow? Despite Putin's optimistic "Let's fly!", there is no certainty about this. The only seemingly 100% Russian MS-21-310 is only being tested, and when the aircraft actually goes into production, it's hard to say. And the Yakovlevsky aircraft will not solve all the problems that, as the Boeings and Airbuses fail, will grow like an avalanche.

Are we going back to the past?

What is under this? And our "oldies", Tu-204/214, Il-96-300, Tu-334. They have everything for them, moreover, a number of these aircraft are in storage and they can be put into operation. Yes, not God knows what, but already something. Moreover, these are purebred Russian aircraft.

Air war: arrived-landed

But there is an obstacle. Unfortunately, according to many who are not indifferent, it is called UAC: United Aircraft Manufacturing Company. So many materials have already been written by journalists on the topic that everything is sad in the aircraft industry, that it is necessary to resolve the issues of import substitution, which exists only in the bravura reports of officials, that you involuntarily begin to understand that no one needs all this.

Especially figures in the KLA.

More than 15 years have passed since all the surviving aircraft manufacturing enterprises were merged into one corporation. So what?

And nothing.

It can be said that the UAC is almost coping with military orders. In addition to transport aircraft, which are a complete disaster. They simply don't exist. The production of military transport and civilian aircraft has been steadily declining, from 41 aircraft in 2017 to 19 units in 2021. Yes, of course, the crisis, the pandemic and all that.

But in fact, the leadership of the KLA is not able to cope with the growing problems. Simply because the main problem of the KLA is the lack of competent workers in the upper echelons.

I will allow myself to take out of the context of the speech of the first vice-president of the UAC Sergey Yarkovy the phrase that the UAC "... is building up competencies in the construction of military transport aircraft ...". Verbiage about nothing in the style of Mrs. Nabiullina.

It is not “competencies” that should be increased, but the production of aircraft. But the direction of transport aviation, headed by Mr. Yarkov, last year failed everything that was possible, releasing TWO (!!!) Il-76MD-90A aircraft. Two of the ordered twelve "for the first time." In general, Minister of Defense Shoigu set the task of increasing the production to 10 aircraft per year, since the Il-76MD-90A is in high demand both in the structures of the Defense Ministry and in the Ministry of Emergency Situations.

The result is null.

As many as 12 pieces of SSJ 100. On a national scale - you yourself understand. The SSJ 100 New version with domestic engines and avionics should appear only in 2024. As far as the UAC understands the term "debt", we are already aware. On the example of the same IL-112V.

The most unpleasant thing is that the domestic aircraft industry has potential. Strange, but even in modern conditions, there are still opportunities to create new aircraft and build them. But for this it is necessary to WORK, and, moreover, to everyone, from those responsible for the direction in the government to the "effective" leaders of the KLA.

Perhaps then, finally, the issue with the Il-96-400 / Il-96-400M will be resolved. They are trying to literally push the plane into the first flight, but something is preventing this all the time. Yes, a four-engine aircraft is not as economical and competitive (the question is with whom?) with twin-engine aircraft, but it exists, and for it there are completely Russian-made PS-90A-1 engines.

Well, why is it that only the president of Russia can fly on such a good plane as the IL-96, proven and reliable? Why are all other citizens unfit?

The next round with the Il-96-400M should be completed in 2022. The Voronezh VASO plant is ready to work day and night to provide the country with aircraft. There are still competent workers, not everyone was dispersed by the market. Others will come if the plant starts to operate at full capacity. And full capacity is up to 20 wide-body aircraft per year, capable of transporting people throughout the country and beyond.

MS-21 is a no less long-suffering project that has been fought over in Irkutsk for so many years. First, the MS-21 was deprived of composites for the wings, then avionics and engines. Yes, it turned out that you can install both engines and avionics. Well, who said that flight and navigation systems from bombers are not suitable (with a certain demilitarization) for civilian aircraft?

In Irkutsk, engineers and specialists once again perform miracles of industrial heroism, reshaping and redesigning aircraft. But the new MS-21-310 is again delayed with access to the sky. And the word "again" - it is already beginning to strain.

And in the end, we landed very hard. So far, at least, it is not clear what will happen next. Maybe everything will end together with the special operation, or maybe in Europe and the USA they will want to stand their ground to the last.

In any case, Russia simply has to become independent now. Just in case, for the future, call it whatever you want. But all these fairy tales about world integration must be ended. This is not integration, this is slave dependence, which, obviously, slave owners can stop at any time at will.

It is possible to overcome the long-term stagnation in the aviation industry in Russia with only one radical step - to replace the entire leadership of the UAC at once, or maybe even to eliminate this structure altogether. Tupolev, Ilyushin, Yakovlev and Sukhoi worked before, without this ugly superstructure populated by expensive loafers who could not put two words together, not to mention work.

We need people who understand, with a technical and especially with an aviation technical education. "Effective" managers with HSE diplomas have already ruined everything in the country that could be ruined. It's time to start restoring so that President Putin's words that we will fly will not remain empty promises.

Of course, throwing out all the efficient idlers doesn't mean solving all problems in one fell swoop. But this way you can give our aircraft industry a chance to survive and work without relying on handouts from the West. And if you leave everything as it is, of course, there will be no chance, no planes.
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  2. Toucan
    Toucan 16 March 2022 04: 26
    +54
    100% agree with the author! yes
    What has our leadership been thinking about all these years? The talk that we are an "energy superpower" and, if necessary, "we will buy everything" turned out to be outright wrecking, or caused by stupidity. am
    Moreover, we really don't like to talk about this, but the share of imported components in defense products is also very high, especially for electronics.
    1. Asad
      Asad 16 March 2022 04: 33
      +66
      It is hard for our president to part with associates who do not take out and even worse harm like a redhead. Family clans of talented managers appear. From the street, it’s hard even for a competent specialist to get into such a warm place.
      1. Shurik70
        Shurik70 16 March 2022 17: 20
        +18
        Only aircraft owned by Russian airlines will be able to fly abroad

        It's easy to get them arrested.
        For the "pirate capture" of their aircraft.
        Recall at least how many of our ships were arrested for a completely leftist reason, such as they did not pay for the doshirak, which was supplied to Russia in the early 90s at the price of marbled beef
        1. krot
          krot 16 March 2022 18: 39
          -20
          Despite Putin's optimistic "Let's fly!", there is no certainty about this.

          You don't, but we have! If you are mediocrity and you can only scream and write your blogs, then with such people any country will die! But fortunately, we have always had great minds! And in difficult moments, everything was always decided at the highest level! What will happen this time!
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          2. Amper
            Amper 16 March 2022 23: 01
            +18
            Since the 90s, great minds are in the pen, and mediocrity is in favor. Incompetence, nepotism, wholesale theft and corruption gave rise to complete indifference among the people. And what to do with it? The same people are still at the helm, despite any failures and misdeeds in their activities. Something or someone or everything needs to be changed
          3. Pushkar
            Pushkar 17 March 2022 23: 42
            +6
            Quote: krot
            But fortunately, we have always had great minds!

            Of course of course! For example, Anatoly Eduardovich Serdyukov, Chairman of the Board of Directors of UAC!
      2. Jager
        Jager April 25 2022 13: 29
        0
        In ANY institution, it is almost impossible for a person "from the street", at least three times literate, to get to at least some "warm" place))
    2. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U 16 March 2022 04: 40
      +1
      Quote: Tucan
      100% agree with the author! yes
      What has our leadership been thinking about all these years?

      Well, for example, about increasing the output of military-industrial complex products for the Aerospace Forces and the Army. Neither the budget nor the resources are rubber, you know. GA for flights over the hill is of course needed, but not vital. And for internal connectivity, there is still something to close the holes.
      Those that are on lease (777 units in number) will fly only on domestic flights.


      Not very happy. Only aircraft owned by Russian airlines will be able to fly abroad. This is about two hundred aircraft.


      I don't see any reason to worry at all. Never "dreamed of living on Mahattan and sharing secrets with Demi Moore" laughing
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      2. Cosm22
        Cosm22 16 March 2022 10: 13
        +1
        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        And for internal connectivity, there is still something to close the holes.

        Those. everything is fine?
        After closing leasing for such Russian companies as Aeroflot, Rossiya, Ural Airlines, S7 and Azur Air?
        Pretty.
        Is it okay that 745 Russian aircraft are registered with the BCAA? That the Cape Town Convention is no longer for Russia? That the certificate of airworthiness (without which the Air Code of Russia prohibits flying, among other things) no longer exists for the Russian Federation?
        That the United States and the European Union have banned the supply of spare parts, software and technical documentation for aircraft to Russia?
        What is a ban on providing safety information to Russia?
        What can be put an end to regular pre-flight and service inspections?
        That from now on every dear Russian will board a plane squeezed from the damned bourgeois only at his own peril and risk?
        No, you can, of course, make another feint with your ears and make Russian re-registration of leasing aircraft. And even give out some paper.
        But isn't it easier to play Russian roulette? It'll be cheaper.
        1. Repellent
          Repellent 16 March 2022 10: 16
          +4
          Quote: Cosm22
          No, you can, of course, make another feint with your ears and make Russian re-registration for leasing aircraft

          Already.

          Quote: Cosm22
          Isn't it easier to play Russian roulette?

          Yes. Shoot already, you're tiring.
          1. Cosm22
            Cosm22 16 March 2022 10: 42
            -12
            Is someone forcing you to scrutinize exactly my comments?
            Is it smeared with honey here? I do not invite you to dialogue.
            Why such an unhealthy interest in my person? Or responding with lightning speed to my every word - is this already work? And not just a duty?
            1. Repellent
              Repellent 16 March 2022 10: 49
              -2
              Quote: Cosm22
              Is it smeared with honey here?

              No, definitely not honey. But smeared thickly laughing

              Quote: Cosm22
              Why such an unhealthy interest in my person?

              Me from a high bell tower to your "person". Stop writing nonsense, and you will be happy.
              1. Cosm22
                Cosm22 16 March 2022 11: 00
                -8
                And me from the bell tower of Ivan the Great.
                And for some reason, I don’t immediately react to your comment, but vice versa.
                I wonder why? For the second time I ask: is this already a pathology or just a job?
                1. Repellent
                  Repellent 16 March 2022 11: 16
                  -9
                  Quote: Cosm22
                  for some reason, I don’t react with lightning speed to your comment

                  Well, in 10 minutes until you fit confidently. Molodchna yes

                  Quote: Cosm22
                  I ask for the second time

                  Don't be rude, know your place. "Ask" it still, you know...
                2. Piramidon
                  Piramidon 16 March 2022 17: 46
                  -9
                  Quote: Cosm22
                  I ask for the second time

                  Wow, what a demanding found. You still stamp on the floor with your foot and hit the clave with your fist.
                3. Filxnumx
                  Filxnumx 19 March 2022 02: 52
                  +1
                  Secondly I ask:

                  А hi "tertiary" will you ask? Seems like a tradition...
            2. cmax
              cmax 16 March 2022 11: 13
              0
              Quote: Cosm22
              Is someone forcing you to scrutinize exactly my comments?
              Is it smeared with honey here? I do not invite you to dialogue.
              Why such an unhealthy interest in my person? Or responding with lightning speed to my every word - is this already work? And not just a duty?

              You. flatter yourself. You report so joyfully about problems with aircraft in Russia that it becomes clear that people like you or people like you at the helm of the UAC led to these problems. Not ...... Everyone will decide, but for now we will ride trains. Not the first time!
              1. Cosm22
                Cosm22 16 March 2022 11: 20
                -15
                You can also ride a trio.
                And wipe yourself with a burdock or newspaper.
                Who forbids? Forward and with a song.
                1. cmax
                  cmax 16 March 2022 12: 41
                  +1
                  Quote: Cosm22
                  You can also ride a trio.
                  And wipe yourself with a burdock or newspaper.
                  Who forbids? Forward and with a song.

                  For people like you, a quote from a famous film - if you want to live, you won’t get so upset! This is what we endure. For me, this is better than your desire to kiss the hell woman in striped bread. I can offer a freshener, they say it helps to remove the gag reflex.
              2. Letun
                Letun 17 March 2022 07: 01
                +3
                Quote: cmax
                You. flatter yourself. You report so joyfully about problems with aircraft in Russia that it becomes clear that people like you or people like you at the helm of the UAC led to these problems.

                No, just people like you or people similar to you, who report on success in import substitution and that everything perfectly led to these problems in our country. There is no need to reverse cause and effect.
              3. Jager
                Jager April 25 2022 13: 32
                0
                With new trains, we are also far from doing well.
            3. Andrey VOV
              Andrey VOV 16 March 2022 14: 53
              -9
              Zaisteril, Zaisteril, denying offer!
            4. Piramidon
              Piramidon 16 March 2022 17: 43
              -7
              Quote: Cosm22
              Is someone forcing you to scrutinize exactly my comments?

              Well, don’t bother with comments and no one will study you, they just make your eyes hurt.
            5. Sergei Fonov
              Sergei Fonov 17 March 2022 18: 03
              +3
              Comments are open for reading, and should not be considered the opinion of others as an invitation to dialogue. Interestingly, combat aircraft also receive airworthiness certificates in the West? If not, then perhaps we should feel sorry for our pilots. Just recently, one returned on the "Rook" literally on parole and on one wing, ask him a question, but how dare he fly like that. And yet, I think Western sanctions will not become an insurmountable obstacle to us on the way to heaven, both in military and in peace too.
              1. Vladimir_2U
                Vladimir_2U 18 March 2022 03: 10
                0
                Quote: Sergei Fonov
                Interestingly, combat aircraft also receive airworthiness certificates in the West?

                Brilliantly! drinks
              2. Mouse
                Mouse 19 March 2022 01: 55
                0
                Before the events, I was thinking like that, thinking - has Russia really become a colony of the West ..?
        2. Vladimir_2U
          Vladimir_2U 16 March 2022 10: 34
          +1
          Oh don't read like that. Everything that you wrote "but nothing" is precisely that nothing, tolerable.
          Obviously, you are not worried about domestic civil aviation, but about the fact that it will be expensive to fly abroad. And nothing! laughing
          Quote: Cosm22
          That the certificate of airworthiness (without which the Air Code of Russia prohibits flying, among other things) no longer exists for the Russian Federation?
          The methodology is outdated.

          Quote: Cosm22
          What can be put an end to regular pre-flight and service inspections?
          Come on, did the Moloch of an unrighteous war devour aviation specialists in Russia?

          Quote: Cosm22
          That from now on every dear Russian will board a plane squeezed from the damned bourgeois only at his own peril and risk?

          When was it different? Some sort of State Department kindergarten.

          Quote: Cosm22
          But isn't it easier to play Russian roulette? It'll be cheaper.

          Fly with Russian Railways.
          1. Cosm22
            Cosm22 16 March 2022 10: 55
            +3
            1. The training manual is outdated in what, may I ask? The fact that Russian aircraft were left without an airworthiness certificate? This is not true? Did I miss something?
            2. Will Russian aviation specialists make spare parts for Airbus and Boeing aircraft? Did not know. Not translated yet, you know, Left-handers in Russia. Just do not forget that the flea is somewhat different from the General Electric CF6-80A engines, for example.
            3. Yes, it was different, sir. There were security guarantees from official bodies overseeing this very security.
            4. From now on, this destiny is only for jingoistic patriots.
            1. Vladimir_2U
              Vladimir_2U 16 March 2022 11: 47
              +3
              Quote: Cosm22
              1. The training manual is outdated in what, may I ask? The fact that Russian aircraft were left without an airworthiness certificate? This is not true? Did I miss something?
              It is allowed to certify on the territory of the Russian Federation. Update.
              Quote: Cosm22
              2. Will Russian aviation specialists make spare parts for Airbus and Boeing aircraft? Did not know. Not translated yet, you know, Left-handers in Russia. Just do not forget that the flea is somewhat different from the General Electric CF6-80A engines, for example.
              Cannibalization, right? Didn't you hear? Deliveries bypass, for a small bribe. Pass by too? That's it!

              Quote: Cosm22
              3. Yes, it was different, sir. There were security guarantees from official bodies overseeing this very security.
              Guarantees is superman sending to support a crashing plane? Or banal insurance? Well, that's right, Superman. And insurance is for suckers.

              Quote: Cosm22
              4. From now on, this destiny is only for jingoistic patriots.
              Disdain-with railways? Poor thing, how are you without Thailand and Turkey now?
              1. Pilat2009
                Pilat2009 16 March 2022 20: 50
                +4
                Quote: Vladimir_2U
                Deliveries bypass, for a small bribe.

                China has already refused. Why does he have such hemorrhoids? I remember Aeroflot also bought parts of unknown origin until accidents became more frequent
                1. Vladimir_2U
                  Vladimir_2U 17 March 2022 03: 17
                  -3
                  Quote: Pilat2009
                  China has already refused.

                  China refused on the words of some murky "comrade", but in fact did not refuse.
          2. Marius
            Marius 16 March 2022 13: 11
            +10

            Oh don't read like that. Everything that you wrote "but nothing" is precisely that nothing, tolerable.
            Obviously, you are not worried about domestic civil aviation, but about the fact that it will be expensive to fly abroad. And nothing!


            Can you tell me the number of the RZD Kamchatka-Mineralnye Vody train? What is tolerable for you? Put your children on a plane in which routine maintenance was done by a "Russian aviation specialist" with a Chinese spare parts kit. And what's so funny about people wanting to fly to other countries safely and cheaply?
            1. Vladimir_2U
              Vladimir_2U 16 March 2022 14: 04
              -8
              Quote: Cosm22
              2. Will Russian aviation specialists make spare parts for Airbus and Boeing aircraft? Did not know. Not translated yet, you know, Left-handers in Russia. Just do not forget that the flea is somewhat different from the General Electric CF6-80A engines, for example
              .
              Cannibalization, right? Didn't you hear? Deliveries bypass, for a small bribe. Pass by too? That's it!

              Quote: Cosm22
              3. Yes, it was different, sir. There were security guarantees from official bodies overseeing this very security.

              Guarantees is superman sending to support a crashing plane? Or banal insurance? Well, that's right, Superman. And insurance is for suckers.

              Quote: Cosm22
              4. From now on, this destiny is only for jingoistic patriots.

              Disdain-with railways? Poor thing, how are you without Thailand and Turkey now?

              Quote from Marius
              Can you tell me the number of the RZD Kamchatka-Mineralnye Vody train?
              What was a direct flight? More like a lament.

              Quote from Marius
              Put your children on a plane in which routine maintenance was done by a "Russian aviation specialist" with a Chinese spare parts kit.
              Why do you even live in Russia, fly to where repairs are done by original specialists.
      3. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 16 March 2022 13: 37
        +1
        quote Only aircraft owned by Russian airlines will be able to fly abroad. This is about two hundred aircraft. [/quote]

        [/ Quote]
        And where can they fly if the sky is closed? Well, yes, they seem to be flying to Turkey, China, Vietnam and Egypt, but they will be put pressure on them. I think in a couple of months everything will settle down and flights will resume.
      4. highlight
        highlight 17 March 2022 21: 15
        +3
        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        Well, for example, about increasing the output of military-industrial complex products for the Aerospace Forces and the Army. Neither the budget nor the resources are rubber, you know.

        Well, yes, making money on domestic production yourself is an economic heresy for the Central Bank of the Russian Federation and others. For them, it is a great secret that the modern production of civil aircraft serves as a multiplier for increasing national wealth and is able to earn money on its own.
        "I consider it a betrayal if even a nail is made in the colonies" (c) the minister of the Spanish king Charles V, it seems.
    3. Andrey NM
      Andrey NM 16 March 2022 05: 40
      +29
      Do Joseph Vissarionovich's incentive methods no longer seem so draconian? Or maybe there was no other way?
      1. AUL
        AUL 16 March 2022 06: 58
        +12
        Quote: Andrey NM
        Do Joseph Vissarionovich's incentive methods no longer seem so draconian?

        It would be possible to restore the methods, but there is no one like the temporary detention center!
        1. Andrei Nikolaevich
          Andrei Nikolaevich 16 March 2022 08: 19
          +6
          How can one not recall the talented "Stalin's people's commissars"? Iosif Vissarionovich was right three times - "cadres decide - everything."
      2. sergo1914
        sergo1914 16 March 2022 07: 08
        +35
        Quote: Andrew NM
        Do Joseph Vissarionovich's incentive methods no longer seem so draconian? Or maybe there was no other way?


        I wrote here a long time ago about the history of my former design bureau. The country needs aircraft guns. And they are not. Money is given, people are given, materials and resources are given. The gun does not fire. Uncles from the Office came. ?, they ask. The leadership is wobbling. Well, the uncles say, traditional Russian questions. Who is guilty? What to do? The cunning leadership says the Trotskyists are to blame, vile snakes on the body of the Revolution. But the uncles then already filled their hands. And who, they say, are the Trotskyists here? The leadership sensed a catch (who can be the main Trotskyist at the enterprise you manage?). But it was too late. With a certain frequency, they began to pull out the most important one and move the next one from the bottom up. Time has passed, the gun does not fire, next in line. And who was the guilty one - an American spy or an Estonian one - did not bother anyone then. The thing had to be done. So gradually came to Alexander Emmanuilovich Nudelman. He was able to properly motivate the team. The gun started firing and hitting. And at the beginning of the process he was just a trade union organizer. And he turned out to be a brilliant organizer of production. And I chose the appropriate designers for myself. From God. But in the country then there was nothing like that. But thanks to an algorithm invented by one of the uncles from the Office, it appeared.
        PS Hardly then I was downvoted by the local liberation.
        1. Pilat2009
          Pilat2009 16 March 2022 13: 42
          +3
          Quote: sergo1914
          Quote: Andrew NM
          Do Joseph Vissarionovich's incentive methods no longer seem so draconian? Or maybe there was no other way?


          I wrote here a long time ago about the history of my former design bureau. The country needs aircraft guns. And they are not. Money is given, people are given, materials and resources are given. The gun does not fire. Uncles from the Office came. ?, they ask. The leadership is wobbling. Well, the uncles say, traditional Russian questions. Who is guilty? What to do? The cunning leadership says the Trotskyists are to blame, vile snakes on the body of the Revolution. But the uncles then already filled their hands. And who, they say, are the Trotskyists here? The leadership sensed a catch (who can be the main Trotskyist at the enterprise you manage?). But it was too late. With a certain frequency, they began to pull out the most important one and move the next one from the bottom up. Time has passed, the gun does not fire, next in line. And who was the guilty one - an American spy or an Estonian one - did not bother anyone then. The thing had to be done. So gradually came to Alexander Emmanuilovich Nudelman. He was able to properly motivate the team. The gun started firing and hitting. And at the beginning of the process he was just a trade union organizer. And he turned out to be a brilliant organizer of production. And I chose the appropriate designers for myself. From God. But in the country then there was nothing like that. But thanks to an algorithm invented by one of the uncles from the Office, it appeared.
          PS Hardly then I was downvoted by the local liberation.

          I think you have a beautiful legend. KB and a factory are two different things.
    4. DEDMOROZOV
      DEDMOROZOV 16 March 2022 06: 00
      +12
      Tell me who exactly (GDP) and the TV box said that we have everything and only galoshes in the union?
      1. Mylenef
        Mylenef 16 March 2022 06: 17
        +3
        He has EVERYTHING
        If bureaucrats of all stripes lived on the "land" and used the products that they themselves created, there would be less mess
      2. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 16 March 2022 10: 44
        +6
        Quote: DEDMOROZOV
        Tell me who exactly (GDP) and the TV box said that we have everything and only galoshes in the union?

        Stop watching cut clips. smile
        The GDP stated that in the USSR everything was thrown into the defense industry and space, which are the achievements of the Soviet government and which we are still proud of. But with the civilian sector, primarily with consumer goods, everything was not very good.
        Yes, my dear, yes. No need to discuss. The fact is that what we produced (and we don’t have to wave our hands), nobody needed, because nobody bought our galoshes, except for the Africans, who had to walk on the hot sand. That is the whole point.
        We had a defense industry - cool, strong, and we are still proud of it. We are grateful to our grandfathers and our fathers for creating such a defense after the Great Patriotic War.
        From the audience: ... And the first satellite.
        Vladimir Putin: Both the first satellite and the first man in space are our common pride, these are the achievements of the Soviet government, of which we are all proud. These are nationwide achievements.
        But consumer goods ... Zhirinovsky has already said this. Where were they? There were none. Let's not lie to each other and the people. The people know what was and what was not.
        1. Pilat2009
          Pilat2009 16 March 2022 13: 45
          +2
          Quote: Alexey RA
          Quote: DEDMOROZOV
          Tell me who exactly (GDP) and the TV box said that we have everything and only galoshes in the union?

          Stop watching cut clips. smile
          The GDP stated that in the USSR everything was thrown into the defense industry and space, which are the achievements of the Soviet government and which we are still proud of. But with the civilian sector, primarily with consumer goods, everything was not very good.
          Yes, my dear, yes. No need to discuss. The fact is that what we produced (and we don’t have to wave our hands), nobody needed, because nobody bought our galoshes, except for the Africans, who had to walk on the hot sand. That is the whole point.
          We had a defense industry - cool, strong, and we are still proud of it. We are grateful to our grandfathers and our fathers for creating such a defense after the Great Patriotic War.
          From the audience: ... And the first satellite.
          Vladimir Putin: Both the first satellite and the first man in space are our common pride, these are the achievements of the Soviet government, of which we are all proud. These are nationwide achievements.
          But consumer goods ... Zhirinovsky has already said this. Where were they? There were none. Let's not lie to each other and the people. The people know what was and what was not.

          So even now we are not very good with civilians. All consumer goods are imported, well, maybe they only collect from us. You can find a washing machine or a TV in the store
      3. Woodman
        Woodman 16 March 2022 11: 23
        -3
        Quote: DEDMOROZOV
        and the TV box declared that we have everything, but in the union there are only galoshes?

        What place do you need to look into the TV box to see such nonsense?
    5. zyablik.olga
      zyablik.olga 16 March 2022 06: 21
      +23
      Quote: Tucan
      Moreover, we really don't like to talk about this, but the share of imported components in defense products is also very high, especially for electronics.

      The problem is that high-ranking leaders most often do not bear any responsibility for what they have done. Get away with not only outright mistakes and failures, but also corruption. In addition, there is no long-term development program for the country. All decisions are made depending on the current situation.
      1. Monster fat
        Monster fat 16 March 2022 08: 08
        +18
        The problem lies in the very structure of the state. Russia is a kleptocratic state based on family-clan relations. The management of this state is carried out by the notorious vertical of power, where the main quality is not professionalism, but devotion and manageability, and most importantly, that the lower one should not be smarter than the higher one. This system is clumsy, inertial and without initiative. The subordinate looks into the mouth of the superior and expects an order from him. And the superior surrounded himself with sycophants, liars who blow into his ears not the truth, but sweet lies, what he would like to hear and has no idea what to do. What solutions can be expected from this system? Yes, none. Under this vertical, an information system has been created that tells about successes that do not actually exist and hides the problems that do exist. Sweet lies about success and "unparalleled in the world", it's so sweet. All this is sad. And how to get out of the hole where we are now with such a statehood and system of government?
        1. El13
          El13 16 March 2022 13: 13
          -13
          so get out of this hole to us in Russia...
    6. LSI_72
      LSI_72 16 March 2022 08: 10
      +1
      It is necessary to switch to the rails of military democracy, set deadlines and those responsible were not fulfilled in the Kolyma mines with a pick.
    7. EvilLion
      EvilLion 16 March 2022 08: 25
      -8
      Only for some reason the West could not influence the production of weapons.
    8. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 16 March 2022 10: 54
      +13
      Quote: Tucan
      What has our leadership been thinking about all these years?

      About the money in your pockets. The whole counter-revolution was conceived with the aim not to work on our own, but to shift ALL the work to slaves who can be driven with a monetary whip. They say we will pay, and they will do everything to us, and we will only control the cash flow by the authorities.
      Since our government entirely consists of people who have not seriously studied anything in life, they simply did not know that for such control one must have gigantic knowledge and skills. The capitalists out there know, but ours ... In general, "we will buy everything abroad", this is the only option, because skilled people abroad have adjusted everything, all that remains is to pay. Looks like a dream come true. Here "the gnomes are still digging up", we are transferring money abroad, from there, for this money, everything is brought.
      But the guys didn’t take into account one fact - why are they needed by those who know how to fix everything? Why do American specialists need "Russian oligarchs" who are raking in crazy money? The Americans themselves will take this money, and besides, they will take much more, because they know how, but ours do not. What an unexpected reprimand!
      The present time is a time of great insight for our authorities. Wow, how it actually works! So, as it says in the old textbooks that our authorities did not teach...
      1. Monster fat
        Monster fat 16 March 2022 11: 23
        +10
        Fabulous! You absolutely correctly noticed the MOST IMPORTANT thing about why we have a conflict with the "West"! There is no such conflict between Russia as a state and the "West", but there is a conflict between the Russian elite, who imagines themselves to be great gurus in politics and economics, with Western professionals who officially said that they would never sit at the same table at them and they did not need intermediaries who they couldn’t organize anything of their own, they ruined their socialist system, the CMEA system and the Warsaw Pact, asked them to build them into the financial and economic systems and institutions created by the West, for the sake of the Western way of life, but they don’t do a damn thing, they try to pump in our (Western) system their rights and demand their share. That is, the West said: do you want to exist in our system? Then either you follow the rules we have established in it and do not blather, or go through the forest - create your own. So we had to go through the "forest" in the 29th year of "independence" and attempts at Europeanization.
        1. Repellent
          Repellent 16 March 2022 11: 34
          -6
          Quote: Monster-Fat
          with Western professionals

          Do you mean Lisa from the track? Al who else?
          1. highlight
            highlight 16 March 2022 21: 49
            +1
            "Great" in terms of salaries by the hands of drivers, whom they tried to lure to the West with salaries, but the president defended, did not allow the golden personnel reserve to be bought. True, oilmen confuse cubes with tons, aircraft builders with aircraft managers went to squeeze the Western market with a designer from imported spare parts, and returned shorn, shipbuilders build a corvette for 8 years, and then burn it like gogol 2nd volume of dead souls.
          2. Mikhail3
            Mikhail3 16 March 2022 21: 53
            -2
            In the West, politicians go after the clowns, which they are. Ruled by the West is the technological-industrial-business elite. It was these people who debugged technology, social relations, and politics for decades to come.
            This made it possible, in particular, to crush the USSR from the outside and from the inside. Now events have taken place in the West that have broken his leadership, and they may finally bury the West. The situation is in many ways similar to a monarchy, when a stupid but aggressive monarch comes to power, who starts executing advisers right and left out of hatred for smart people. But that doesn't make it any easier for us.
            Capitalism is a dead end. If it were not for the most powerful impetus given to capitalism by the "US project" (created by the smartest, most brilliant guys), modern civilization would have already fallen into what I personally call for myself the "inevitable East". When states fight with states, industrial and commercial entities with the same, gradually all this becomes smaller, collapses, weakens, goes out, as the "saviors of the world" destroy themselves and everything around, turning a powerful civilization into pitiful fragments, under a groan dying millions...
            All this is waiting for us. Soon.
  3. cat-begemot
    cat-begemot 16 March 2022 04: 31
    +24
    2 billion rubles have been allocated to fight corruption. And according to the Chinese version, 100 meters under a brick fence for executions and 2 hectares under a cemetery should be.
    1. Ka-52
      Ka-52 16 March 2022 05: 58
      +5
      the Chinese method did not solve the problem of corruption. Chinese officials have taken bribes and continue to take them. Regardless of public trials and executions.
      1. Lech from Android.
        Lech from Android. 16 March 2022 06: 09
        -5
        Chinese officials have taken bribes and continue to take them.

        Gold... unlike our bribe-takers.
        Gold is stable at all times and in all countries.
        Long live gold.
        1. host
          host 16 March 2022 06: 27
          +1
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          Chinese officials have taken bribes and continue to take them.

          Gold... unlike our bribe-takers.
          Gold is stable at all times and in all countries.
          Long live gold.

          hi Yes, not always a colleague wink
          , comrade Garin from a parallel universe depreciated gold in the last century, though later ... fellow
      2. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 16 March 2022 06: 22
        +12
        Quote: Ka-52
        the Chinese method did not solve the problem of corruption.

        What, right? Or maybe the scale with smaller appetites? Otherwise, looking at the growth of the Chinese economy, one believes in the effectiveness of executions.
        1. Ka-52
          Ka-52 16 March 2022 06: 42
          +2
          The growth of the Chinese economy is determined by the same effective mechanisms as in other Asian countries, called the "Asian economic miracle." Corruption has nothing to do with it. And it's not shootings that keep the Chinese economy growing. Massive financial interventions in the economy - that's what drives its development. It's not even a Chinese method. The same method was partially used by the Soviet government, albeit by rather barbaric methods (but then there was not much choice).
          For some reason, our government will not understand this in any way and prefers to invest in some kind of stabilization funds and American treasury papers, instead of its own economy. Although it's a no brainer that an economy that is progressing in development does not really need stabilization funds.
          1. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U 16 March 2022 07: 12
            0
            Quote: Ka-52
            Massive financial interventions in the economy - that's what drives its development.
            This can explain the growth of the "consumer economy and consumer electronics economy", but no one in their right mind poured money into the re-equipment of the military-industrial complex, which means the rearmament of the Chinese army and the explosive growth of the Chinese Navy, no one poured funds into the declared growth in wealth, and the success of China's space program also not the result of infusions from abroad.

            Quote: Ka-52
            The same method was partially used by the Soviet government, albeit by rather barbaric methods (but then there was not much choice).
            I won’t argue, I’ll just write that in tsarist Russia there were more funds, and there were fewer executions of high-ranking officials (there weren’t at all). And the result is obvious.


            Quote: Ka-52
            For some reason, our government will not understand this in any way and prefers to invest in some kind of stabilization funds and American treasury papers, instead of its own economy.
            Is there a corruption component here? laughing
            Of course, "executions" are not the cornerstone of a successful but at the same time socially and patriotically oriented economy, but there is something positive in this. hi
          2. Monster fat
            Monster fat 16 March 2022 08: 16
            +6
            Nabiulina somehow let it slip, to the question that Russia, without investing money in its economy, exports this money abroad, where it works for the Western economy, like why is that? She answered approximately the following: a stable Western economy makes the Russian economy stable as well, since the Russian economy is fully integrated into the Western economy and depends on the Western economy. If you invest money directly in the Russian economy, then it will not be an effective use and can lead to distortions in the global economy, but by working in the West they improve the world economy, which consequently affects the Russian economy and this is an effective investment. Well, she was obviously taught where she "studied" economics and finance.
            1. Monster fat
              Monster fat 16 March 2022 08: 48
              +10
              That is, it turns out that the main task of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation all this time was to maintain the global financial and economic system, and all its activities were aimed precisely at this? We are talking here about "foreign agents" and shims of various types of sixes like "Echo", but it turns out that our Central Bank was the most important foreign agent? Together with the entire financial and economic bloc that justifies his actions?
              1. highlight
                highlight 16 March 2022 21: 53
                -1
                [quote=Monster-Fat] but it turns out that our Central Bank was the most important foreign agent?[/qu

                "The most important concealer of troublemakers is you, the emir" (c) The Tale of Khoja Nasreddin L.V. Soloviev
          3. EvilLion
            EvilLion 16 March 2022 08: 27
            +6
            Western production was brought to China. As long as it was profitable. No backward country can rapidly develop on its own resources. The USSR would probably also have failed without the Great Depression, when the West began to sell everything to everyone.

            But you continue to talk about some kind of stabilization funds.
            1. Ka-52
              Ka-52 16 March 2022 08: 53
              +2
              Western production was brought to China. As long as it was profitable. No backward country is able to develop rapidly on its own resources.

              Thinking that the growth of the Chinese economy is due only to the transfer of Western enterprises to the Chinese platform is a common pattern of "everyone knows" regulars of the shop at the entrance.
              The USSR would probably also have failed without the Great Depression, when the West began to sell everything to everyone.

              could, just the growth rate would not be 30%, but 10-15, as on average in European countries.
              But you continue to talk about some kind of stabilization funds.

              very well reasoned comment laughing but essentially give birth to something?
      3. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 16 March 2022 06: 23
        +8
        Quote: Ka-52
        Chinese officials have taken bribes and continue to take them. Regardless of public trials and executions.

        Personally, I believe that this method reduces the level of corruption.
        1. Ka-52
          Ka-52 16 March 2022 06: 44
          0
          definitely reduces. But it doesn't eradicate.
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 16 March 2022 06: 50
            +7
            Quote: Ka-52
            definitely reduces. But it doesn't eradicate.

            We would like to reduce at least half, for starters. And the moratorium on the death penalty must be removed, especially since they left the Council of Europeans.
            1. Ka-52
              Ka-52 16 March 2022 06: 52
              +8
              Yes, the point is not in the force of punishment, but in its inevitability. As long as the official believes that "this cup" will pass him by, he will steal. Cockroaches in the house cannot be removed by introducing a heavy and painful execution for a single caught individual laughing
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 16 March 2022 07: 09
                +9
                Quote: Ka-52
                Yes, the point is not in the force of punishment, but in its inevitability.

                Not only. What's the point if someone who steals a railroad gets two years? You can also sit in comfort, knowing that then you will be provided for the rest of your life. Kilograms of gold with diamonds were returned to Vasilyeva, her father gave it to her. But it would be necessary to confiscate everything from the pope, and faberge at the same time.
                1. Ka-52
                  Ka-52 16 March 2022 08: 10
                  0
                  Not only. What's the point if someone who steals a railroad gets two years? You can also sit in comfort, knowing that then you will be provided for the rest of your life. Kilograms of gold with diamonds were returned to Vasilyeva, her father gave it to her. But it would be necessary to confiscate everything from the pope, and faberge at the same time.

                  Well, last year we had two governors imprisoned for 12 years of strict regime with a fine of 250 million each - did this help the fight against corruption a lot? I doubt very much that the rest are white and fluffy.
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 16 March 2022 18: 35
                    0
                    Quote: Ka-52
                    Well, last year we had two governors imprisoned for 12 years of strict regime with a fine of 250 million each - did this help the fight against corruption a lot?

                    And it would be necessary to completely confiscate from him and his closest relatives, if their expenses exceed their income, and a bullet in the forehead.
              2. Vladimir_2U
                Vladimir_2U 16 March 2022 07: 27
                +3
                Quote: Ka-52
                Yes, the point is not in the force of punishment, but in its inevitability.

                Here with it on all 100 it agree.
                Quote: Ka-52
                Cockroaches in the house cannot be removed by introducing a heavy and painful execution for a single caught individual
                good
              3. Adrey
                Adrey 16 March 2022 08: 35
                +2
                Quote: Ka-52
                Yes, the point is not in the force of punishment, but in its inevitability. As long as the official believes that "this cup" will pass him by, he will steal. Cockroaches in the house cannot be removed by introducing a heavy and painful execution for a single caught individual laughing

                Completely agree with you. But, this requires an absolutely independent court and legal proceedings, as well as irrespective application of laws. And it's harder and more dangerous hi
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      5. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 16 March 2022 13: 47
        0
        Quote: Ka-52
        the Chinese method did not solve the problem of corruption. Chinese officials have taken bribes and continue to take them. Regardless of public trials and executions.

        Well then the Singapore method
        1. VORON538
          VORON538 16 March 2022 14: 26
          +3
          Will you agree to live by the laws of Singapore? - a fine of a couple of hundred thousand. Rewrite all pets. Grandmothers who feed birds - under arrest or fined?
          Forbid young people to hang out at night with alcohol in Russia? What are you talking about? Your neighbors will be the first to put you on fire for such ideas. :))) Maybe I missed something, but I didn’t hear that Singapore is in demand for Russians to move to this country.
          1. Pilat2009
            Pilat2009 16 March 2022 17: 40
            +1
            Quote: VORON538
            I have not heard that Singapore is in demand for Russians to move to this country.

            If you want to live in a developed country, you need the experience of Singapore. If you want to stay with the Russian mentality and shit on the streets, then there’s nothing to say about taking bribes, let’s leave everything as it was.
    2. AUL
      AUL 16 March 2022 07: 00
      +15
      Quote: kot-begemot
      2 billion rubles have been allocated to fight corruption.

      And they were immediately plundered by colonels from the anti-corruption department! laughing
    3. Garris199
      Garris199 18 March 2022 02: 28
      0
      2 billion rubles have been allocated to fight corruption.

      Well, did you understand?
  4. your vsr 66-67
    your vsr 66-67 16 March 2022 04: 49
    +2
    It's not for nothing that people say: "Give your wife to your uncle, and go to your bl mistress!"
  5. ximkim
    ximkim 16 March 2022 04: 55
    +13
    As one manager said: "we'll buy everything"! Therefore, there is nothing surprising here, and in general, let them continue to impose sanctions so that all this comes out.
    1. Ru_Na
      Ru_Na 16 March 2022 06: 09
      +13
      The name of this manager is Gaidar, in fact, thanks to him, the machine tool industry was destroyed in our country, and today there are such big problems in the civil aircraft industry. Yes, and his heirs are the same, they preferred to buy than to produce!
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 16 March 2022 13: 38
      +1
      Unfortunately, this will sideways to the entire population at the same time with stalemate consequences.
  6. Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 16 March 2022 05: 09
    +2
    Yesterday I read that the planes were re-registered from the Bahamas and Ireland to Russia, that they have already been nationalized?
    1. host
      host 16 March 2022 06: 37
      +2
      Quote: Pessimist22
      Yesterday I read that the planes were re-registered from the Bahamas and Ireland to Russia, that they have already been nationalized?

      All foreign companies that left the Russian market were warned about external management, it seems that we are not talking about nationalization request
  7. Seryoga64
    Seryoga64 16 March 2022 05: 27
    -1
    and perhaps even eliminate this structure altogether.

    Perfect option
    1. Genry
      Genry 16 March 2022 06: 47
      -10
      In fact, the author all the time proposes to liquidate the entire state of Russia, but here he only offered a part. request Inconsistent.
      1. Seryoga64
        Seryoga64 16 March 2022 06: 51
        -1
        Quote: Genry
        In fact, the author all the time proposes to liquidate the entire state of Russia, but here he only offered a part.

        This is the part I commented on.
        I see something else, I comment on something else
        1. Genry
          Genry 16 March 2022 07: 05
          -5
          Well, dude, I'm rushing, how you dump in parts ...


          © https://anekdoty.ru/pro-narkomanov/page/16/
          1. Seryoga64
            Seryoga64 16 March 2022 07: 06
            +1
            Quote: Genry
            Well, dude, I'm rushing, how you dump in parts ...

            Do not be rude
  8. Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 16 March 2022 06: 34
    +12
    UAC "... is building up competencies in the construction of military transport aircraft ..."
    They increase impotence, not competence.
  9. Alex66
    Alex66 16 March 2022 06: 35
    +2
    Every problem has a name. Maybe it's time not only to hand out gingerbread to managers, but also to act with a whip. Put managers in the zone in a shambles (no matter what distracts from work) until the MS-21 starts flying in series, you see, and the results will appear.
    1. AUL
      AUL 16 March 2022 07: 08
      +11
      And what will they do in a sharashka? Write plans and reports to each other and hold videoconferences? They won’t let them steal there, and they don’t know how to do anything else!
      1. Alex66
        Alex66 16 March 2022 11: 20
        0
        Let them sharpen pencils for designers, pour coffee, they want to go out and come up with some good connections.
        1. AUL
          AUL 16 March 2022 12: 23
          +2
          Quote: Alex66
          Let the designers sharpen their pencils,

          Better let them build roads or sew mittens! Although the quality will be poor.
    2. -Paul-
      -Paul- 16 March 2022 08: 11
      0
      Just plant, they still don’t know how to work, they only know how to lead.
  10. kostik1301
    kostik1301 16 March 2022 06: 54
    -1
    Eh .... I would read such articles by GDP .....
  11. Jager
    Jager 16 March 2022 07: 12
    +8
    You first "nationalize" Russian Railways in the Ministry of Railways, that's where the Augean stables are.
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  13. NSV
    NSV 16 March 2022 07: 25
    +2
    It remains only to translate plans into reality !!! Which is very difficult with the current ..... effective managers (((
  14. Gardamir
    Gardamir 16 March 2022 07: 26
    +8
    One simple example. In 2011, the hockey team flew on a Yak-42 aircraft. After the crash, a senior government official, let's call him DAM for short, spoke out in favor of buying foreign aircraft, even to the detriment of the domestic manufacturer.
  15. Lykases1
    Lykases1 16 March 2022 07: 32
    +3
    Completely agree, Roman. And this situation is everywhere. Hopefully our leadership will now wake up. The once great Stalin was able to organize the restoration of a destroyed country practically from scratch. And he did restore it. And brought to the second, and perhaps in some ways the first, place in the world. Now, in my opinion, the situation is much simpler.
  16. von_Tilsit
    von_Tilsit 16 March 2022 07: 51
    +5
    To begin with, you need to brush off all these daughters and sons and other grant-eating managers from the leadership of state companies. Like fecal matter from a shovel. Then everything will work out. No other way.
  17. realist
    realist 16 March 2022 07: 53
    +5
    "The management of the UAC is unable to cope with the growing problems. Simply because the main problem of the UAC is the lack of competent workers in the upper echelons."
    great wording, and it's like that everywhere! automotive industry, shipbuilding, banks .... important lawyers and economists who cannot solve production problems are everywhere ....
  18. EvilLion
    EvilLion 16 March 2022 08: 23
    -1
    The author has severe problems with the perception of space-time. There was no civil aviation in Russia in 2000. There were already dead factories and zero competitive models. And it was the SSJ with MS-21 that changed this situation. You can tell anything about the IL-96, but only people who understand nothing about production can sit on the Internet and repeat the mantra that the authorities are not developing anything. In order for an aircraft to be produced at all, there must first be orders for it, but how to secure orders for the Il-96, which competes with the market leaders? At the same time, such aircraft are not purchased by airlines, but are leased, which is stupidly expensive.

    Well, there will be a closed market, as in the USSR, then you can put everything on, but the USSR market was small, and did not particularly affect anything in the world.

    Tu-334 - it's just want to punch in the face for the mention. 3 crew members, when there are 2 everywhere in the world, a rear-engine layout that no one likes, it was made because of the noise of the first engines, now this does not outweigh the poor weight distribution and inconvenience in maintenance, lousy performance characteristics and a certificate for riding on the airfield. And really, why did no one buy this miracle ...

    Yes, and there are no national aircraft for a long time, even A and B take a bunch of imported components, because the question is efficiency and meeting deadlines.
    1. Sergey Aleksandrovich
      Sergey Aleksandrovich 16 March 2022 09: 30
      +3
      Somehow you forgot to mention the TU-214. For this you want to get in the face? There, the engines are located as you like, and very modern. How are we with efficiency and competition, in the absence of the aircraft themselves, and the competition itself at the moment?
    2. Vlad69
      Vlad69 16 March 2022 10: 13
      +1
      I completely agree with Tu-334. You don’t have to be aerodynamic and strong to understand and compare that the glider is overweight due to the tail section plus a larger midsection. Because of this, with the same conditional engines pd8 (it’s clear with d436) and a load of 100 passengers in the economy, ssj new is not a competitor. With small pluses in the remoteness of the engines from the ground.
      1. Sergey Aleksandrovich
        Sergey Aleksandrovich 16 March 2022 16: 05
        +2
        I understand that I'm not well versed in aviation, and I don't know fashionable terms. But how did the Tu-134, Tu-154 and Yak-42 fly for decades before that with overweight and a large midsection? And what about the economic superiority of the SSJ, which, due to the abundance of foreign parts, can become a joke?
  19. Victor Demchenko
    Victor Demchenko 16 March 2022 08: 47
    +1
    We really need Lavrenty Pavlovich, well, VERY!
  20. Victor Demchenko
    Victor Demchenko 16 March 2022 08: 51
    +5
    Quote: Vladimir_2U

    I don't see any reason to worry at all.

    but I see! today there are NO aircraft for local airlines, as such there are no medium-haul aircraft. I don’t know how old you are, but I remember very well how my relatives and I flew (!!!) from the district to Biysk, but now there is none, and even in the blueprints! your patriotism smacks of debilism very much: we will throw our hats on! thrown, we see in practice!
  21. zxc15682
    zxc15682 16 March 2022 08: 54
    0
    A large burden will fall on the Ministry of Railways. Commuter trains will have to be launched again. Even so.
  22. tattoo
    tattoo 16 March 2022 08: 59
    0
    Why throw them away, effective managers need to pay all the costs of the transition out of their own pocket! To force them to persuade, to return the old designers and production workers to work for large salaries. And if they refuse, then effective managers should wash their legs and drink water after washing publicly! Someone else should be responsible for the devastation in the aircraft industry.
  23. Scientist_
    Scientist_ 16 March 2022 09: 16
    0
    Quote: Ka-52
    the Chinese method did not solve the problem of corruption.

    In 1991, China's GDP was approximately equal to that of the Ukrainian SSR. Now China's GDP is the second in the world (first in terms of PPP). Do you think it would be possible if the fight against corruption were unsuccessful?
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 16 March 2022 10: 54
      +4
      Quote from Scientist
      In 1991, China's GDP was approximately equal to that of the Ukrainian SSR. Now China's GDP is the second in the world (first in terms of PPP). Do you think it would be possible if the fight against corruption were unsuccessful?

      It's just that China's economy is growing faster than it is being stolen. smile
      The fight against corruption in China is going on like all over the world - as long as you maintain power, you can steal calmly. The same Zhang Qi obviously did not accumulate his 13 tons of gold in a year.
      But if you deviated from the general line of the party or supported the losing group, then everything that was allowed yesterday becomes the reason for a criminal case today.
      1. Sergey Aleksandrovich
        Sergey Aleksandrovich 16 March 2022 16: 14
        +1
        The economy is a rather complicated thing, it cannot be explained by theft alone. For example, you can force everyone at the post office to fill out on the form where, when and by whom the passport was issued, and the queues increase immediately, for no good reason, while the economy falls due to additional costs that are difficult to understand. It is possible to design roads in such a way that everyone will be stuck in traffic jams, while the travel time and gasoline consumption increase many times over, and the economy seems to be out of business.
  24. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 16 March 2022 10: 39
    +7
    These are just calls for sabotage! It is impossible to sabotage agreements reached at the highest level! The author is a clear and consistent enemy! After all, how is it arranged?
    There is some state corporation. From its "heights", that is, the top managerial level, great opportunities open up, both in terms of theft and corny rewards - many top managers of the UAC receive much more per month than the entire staff (excluding the director and his deputies) of a considerable aircraft factory. And means what?
    So the appointment to these positions is for sale. For a lot of money. Which, as a rule, are divided into two parts - first a huge amount at once, upon appointment, and then every month a very significant slice of the "patron". Does it matter if the appointee has an education (not even a specialized one, but at least some), work experience in the industry, personal and business qualities? Well, of course not! The only condition is regular payments. And that's it.
    And now the author of the article is demanding the impossible! What is the meaning of "work"? How is it at all? The top staff of our state corporations, in principle, can do nothing of the kind! Not for this were paid tens of millions of dollars immediately, and millions of dollars later! And here the blow is simply from two sides - and the appointees themselves will suddenly have to do what they, in principle, cannot and cannot do, and the money that is stolen (and most of it goes "higher") should be sent to planes, and not to pockets !
    It's all unrealistic. Impossible. It's not like that, it's not like that at all...
  25. kig
    kig 16 March 2022 10: 48
    +2
    Once again, the suspicion that our leaders do not know how to govern is confirmed. They did not know how and did not learn. They don’t know how to set goals, they don’t know how to find and motivate performers, they don’t know how to calculate the consequences. They only know how to win elections.
  26. Woodman
    Woodman 16 March 2022 11: 18
    +2
    Only aircraft owned by Russian airlines will be able to fly abroad. This is about two hundred aircraft.
    Given the closed skies over Europe and North America, it may well be that two hundred aircraft will be enough for the first time.
    China has already refused to supply spare parts for Russian aircraft.
    This report was denied on the same day. There were no other posts on this topic.
    The only one that seems to be 100% Russian MS-21-310 is only being tested, and it’s hard to say when the aircraft will actually go into production.
    The start of deliveries to airlines is scheduled for the third quarter of this year. By the end of the year, they plan to transfer 4 pieces.
  27. Nafanya from the sofa
    Nafanya from the sofa 16 March 2022 11: 22
    +5
    Once upon a time, Pogosyan, when deciding to install French, not the best engines on the SSJ, argued that this would simplify and speed up the certification of the aircraft in Europe. Didn't he understand that Europe "sleeps and sees" the competitors of its aviation industry? It was necessary to think about an aircraft for Russia, and not an aircraft for export. All the talk about the fact that only export will make it possible to make the release of aircraft "from the evil one." Thousands of aircraft for domestic transportation could and can provide their own highly profitable production. At least because of the need to spend foreign currency on the purchase and / or payment of interest on loans / leasing.
    The idea of ​​the "bad boy" E. Gaidar (let the earth be glassy for him) that "we don't have to do everything on our own, we just need to buy it abroad" has completely discredited itself. But his associates, incl. so-called The Higher School of Economics continues to ruin and economically destroy the Russian Federation.
    They say there is no bad without good. So isn't it time for the President of Russia to disperse the pro-American economic authorities of the Russian Federation, as he did with respect to the pro-American media?
    1. ss29
      ss29 24 March 2022 22: 59
      0
      Note that Western countries produce or tend to produce everything themselves.
  28. Yaroslav Zhigulin
    Yaroslav Zhigulin 16 March 2022 11: 23
    +5
    You famously write about airplanes and about how everything disappeared both in aviation and everywhere
    Recall that the same age as ssj 100 in Japan could not ....

    And few people can get on planes


    Roman, tell us how you, as a journalist, lost the information war .... Just at 0, zero in the salad

    Don't you feel like the most effective manager there?
  29. ivpe211
    ivpe211 16 March 2022 11: 25
    0
    Well, of course, it would be nice to punish those who slowed down the construction process for such a situation - although it’s understandable - stupid managers at all levels, from the head of the shop to deputy ministers. The reason there is simple - 20 tr. wages of workers at avizavodakh. This is how managers save money. That's how they were taught.

    but in general, nonsense - money does not smell.
    As soon as the exchange rates settle down and payment methods get better, there will be suppliers of spare parts and services. If there is a crash of a Boeing or an Airbus and their investigators are not allowed to investigate, a "design flaw" will be announced, which is very unpleasant and after the history of 737max no one will believe the manufacturers.
  30. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 16 March 2022 12: 00
    +1
    At a minimum, there are serial PS-90A (I can be wrong in the index) and avionics (more or less modern) on Il476, Il96 and the latest versions of Tu214 ... Some kind of avionics (more modern) is being created in a localized version of the SSZH .... That's what you need invest in the appropriate versions of (local) SSG and MS 21.
    1. VSS is created (at what stage - I don’t know)
    2. MS21 - it is necessary to revise the version with the PD14 motor.

    And set clear goals for 5 years for these projects
  31. Yaroslav Zhigulin
    Yaroslav Zhigulin 16 March 2022 12: 08
    +2
    As many as 12 pieces of SSJ 100. On a national scale - you yourself understand.

    Let's get Roman...
    SSJ 100. Units produced 223
    Years of production 2007 - 2022 total 15 years

    Yak xnumx
    1980 to 2002 194 aircraft built

    Draw your own conclusions
  32. Dilettante grandfather
    Dilettante grandfather 16 March 2022 12: 10
    -1
    I agree with the author.
  33. Maks1995
    Maks1995 16 March 2022 12: 59
    -2
    On the one hand, everything is correct.
    On the other hand, until the authors name names that they probably know, you can pretend to be surprised in articles and paint good wishes as much as you like. It doesn't make much sense.

    And it is dangerous to name names, remember the fate of the Unnameable.

    The authors do not influence the decisions. And the decisions are made by unnamed, but well-known, "effective managers" that control the flow of money, technology, directions, connections, social and career lifts.
    They do not go anywhere, everything is in the same place, therefore the result will be the same.
    Maybe a little better, because money and technology even so added and added. On the other hand, customers over the hill - the same Indians (they simply withdrew from a series of contracts due to non-fulfillment), the Chinese, Indonesians and Africans - are becoming more and more "cautious", saving money, and more and more often they are buying / promoting not our planes at all .....
  34. Semjon Semjonov
    Semjon Semjonov 16 March 2022 13: 34
    +2
    Not very happy. Only aircraft owned by Russian airlines will be able to fly abroad. This is about two hundred aircraft.
    In Nazi Germany with the beginning of the Second World War, we generally flew only military aircraft, and nothing, they coped with the task. Well, if you still don’t understand that our Western “partners” have declared war on us, and you want to continue wandering around Manhattan, then these are your difficulties, I personally don’t give a damn about them. And friendly countries will not arrest our planes.
  35. km-21
    km-21 16 March 2022 14: 28
    +1
    I will not tire of asserting that Russia, in terms of its scientific, technological and industrial potential, is a rather modest power. The possibilities of its less than 150 million population cannot be placed on a par with China, let alone the golden billion of the Collective West. In addition, the population of Russia, in addition to the production of vital products, is very concerned about ensuring the security of a vast territory, unfavorable transport logistics, and their own livelihood in a harsh climate. Therefore, trying to catch up and overtake the West in all areas of human activity in the conditions of the most severe and not very fair competition is an impossible task. 280 million inhabitants of the USSR unsuccessfully worked on solving this problem, and today's 150 millionth Russia is all the more incapable of solving it.

    How to survive in this deadly situation?
    - Only with the right strategy. It is necessary to stop playing by the rules imposed on us by the Anglo-Saxon civilization and offer the World its own rules. They are simple and intelligible. Russia must convey to the West Putin's thesis that we do not need a world without Russia, and if someone wants to destroy Russia, he will inevitably perish himself. For this thesis to become convincing, it is necessary to build not the MS-21, but the Tu-160, Caliber, Zircons and other means of destroying any enemy. And it is also necessary to urgently restore greater Russia (the former USSR). When the World understands that this is not a joke, it will become easier to talk to him. Barriers to the exchange of goods will be removed. And no one will dare to land the Boeings and Airbuses bought from the West, since such a step will be regarded by Russia as a casus belli with all the ensuing consequences.
  36. ximkim
    ximkim 16 March 2022 14: 37
    +1
    Quote: Vadim237
    Unfortunately, this will sideways to the entire population at the same time with stalemate consequences.

    It's true. Erroneous actions of the rulers = the population is calculated..
  37. Two
    Two 16 March 2022 15: 21
    +4
    Everything is rightly said! A generation of managers has grown up who can only buy (rent) and resell (participate in the choice of a supplier, "unobtrusively recommend"), and buy for public money and have a good margin for "intermediary services." A serious lobby has grown from pushers of the necessary legislative acts and projects. Its aviation industry was consciously liquidated and no one was brushed off the "pumpkin"!
  38. General70
    General70 16 March 2022 15: 48
    +2
    Is it possible to buy spare parts, aircraft engines, avionics through third countries or gasket companies? Or do you need to connect special services for this? hi
  39. General70
    General70 16 March 2022 15: 57
    +3
    I would be careful not to let purely Russian planes fly. Who will guarantee that purely Russian ones will not be arrested in Europe for those leased planes that Russia may nationalize?
    1. Rusticolus
      Rusticolus 18 March 2022 05: 22
      0
      Given the history of the Anglo-Saxon thieves and robbers, only a decent, possibly nuclear, timed charge set to non-removable will give a guarantee. The plane did not have time to return to Russia for reactivation in time, and there was no more trickery.
  40. infantrefir
    infantrefir 16 March 2022 16: 00
    +1
    Here grandfather Stalin somehow managed to force both designers and factories to work ....
  41. Bayun
    Bayun 16 March 2022 16: 40
    +2
    State corporations are some kind of SHAME.

    Even under the Tsar-Father in Russia, it became clear: we need to develop this or that area, we are creating a MINISTRY. The USSR - "invented bicycles" at first, but then agreed: do you need a GA? We return the Ministry of Civil Aviation. Do you need microelectronics? We are reviving MinElectronProm.

    The difference is fundamental. Without specialized education, work as the head of a department or workshop, and after that as a director or deputy. the director of the enterprise in the Ministry - you will not get. By the way, the same applies to the State Administration! The Durikovs-Sharikovs simply did not have a chance to become a mayor, or even more so, a Governor ...

    There is a stable economic model from the USSR. We create the State Planning Commission, put supercomputers with IskIntel into it, change the Soviet "zeros" in the "profit" column to the desired% and work.

    I happened to participate in the transfer of one enterprise from the socialist economy to capitalism. We introduced marketing, pricing "from the bottom" of the cost, mastered the market search for suppliers and customers and business planning. Hard? Yes, but not anyhow, if the management and owners are NOT THIVES! I don’t see any problems in the correction of the cap. models for long-term industry government orders from the State Planning Commission.
  42. avia12005
    avia12005 16 March 2022 16: 47
    0
    Do not subtract, do not add. The personnel of the KLA only mine gold by ordinary miners. They are no longer capable of anything.
  43. lazy
    lazy 16 March 2022 17: 34
    +1
    if I write that the author lies at times, then they will most likely be banned, but how to call it when "As many as 12 pieces of SSJ 100." when there are more than 200? again cry about the stillborn tu334, entirely Russian, but nothing that flags of Russia and Ukraine were drawn on it, where will you take engines from motors? il96 company
    they can take it only under the conditions of sanctions, because if there is a choice, no one will take an uneconomical plane. and by the way, its increased consumption will be paid by air passengers. I would put a minus article, but it was canceled long ago so as not to injure the tender feelings of the authors
  44. Yuri Vishnevetsky-Koribut
    Yuri Vishnevetsky-Koribut 16 March 2022 19: 33
    +1
    The best motive to actively resist is when you are cornered. This moment has come - thanks to our Western "partners". Where ours did not disappear.
  45. Oorfene Juice and his wooden soldiers
    0
    An interesting point arose: how were Russian companies supposed to return planes to Europeans and Americans, if all of Europe and the USA are a continuous no-fly zone?
    -
    Let them come, dismantle their planes in Russia and take them by rail to their West.
  46. igorra
    igorra 16 March 2022 20: 46
    +1
    To raise salaries many times and the people themselves will be drawn to the aircraft industry. In aviation, there are such distortions in wages that mom do not cry.
    1. lukewarm
      lukewarm 17 March 2022 09: 39
      -1
      We have a problem: they are trying to solve complex problems exclusively by financial means. One can only hear: “We don’t have that ...” In response: “The program has been adopted, it has been allocated ....” And then what? At times to raise wages at the expense of what? orders? Where are they? The airlines that closed the sky? Which, even in fat times, were invested in debts from enemies (hello to leasing)? By the way, what a saying...
      Further. We found money for a salary. OK. Where to urgently get specialists?
  47. eehnie
    eehnie 16 March 2022 20: 55
    +2
    The situation for Russia in the aviation industry is much less unfavorable than most people think. Russia is a country that is resistant to sanctions, including in the civil aviation sector, because it has worked hard for this in the past two decades. Now, after the hostile actions of Airbus and Boeing, most people have realized the importance for Russia of developing civil / utility aircraft in the niches where Airbus and Boeing operate, which absorb more than 90% of traffic in terms of passengers and tons of cargo carried, and also as a consequence are the most profitable.

    Russia, as a country, did the most important thing to keep the aviation industry alive in the face of very low demand, partly caused by excess production in the last years of the Soviet Union, and also because potential customers turned to Western aircraft. The Russian aircraft industry is still public and alive, which means that Russia still has important tools to fight these sanctions in a way that only Russia can do.

    Russia is well aware of its own assets and in fact understands very well that in order to respond to sanctions, it is only necessary to properly link the end of production of previous projects of Soviet origin and the start of production of new generation projects that are actually under development. And Russia does this in most of the niches where Airbus and Boeing operate. In recent years, many people have viewed some of the previous designs as discontinued, but the reality is that their production was only stopped due to lack of demand, even with some unfinished cases that could be finished now. This is a current overview of these niches in Russia, taking into account that the An-225 niche was not in demand enough to be profitable:

    Weight category Boeing 747:
    airliner: unprofitable
    previous transport: An-124
    new transport: Elephant PTS-160

    Weight category Boeing 777, Airbus A330, McDonnell Douglas DC-10/MD-11:
    previous airliner: Il-86/80/96 (in production)
    new airliner: CRAIC CR929
    previous transport: An-22
    new transport: IL-106 PTS-80 PAK-VTA

    Weight category Boeing 767, Airbus A310:
    previous airliner: IL-62 (in production)
    new airliner: Tu-304 FF
    previous transport: IL-76/78/82 Be-A50 (in production)
    new transport: IL-90

    Weight category Boeing 737, Airbus A321, Boeing 757:
    previous airliner: Tu-154 (in production), Tu-204/214 (in production)
    new airliner: MS-21 Yak-242 (in production)
    previous transport: early IL-76
    new transport: Tu-330

    Weight category Airbus A320, Airbus A319:
    previous airliner: Il-18/20/22/24, Tu-134
    new airliner: Su-Superjet (in production)
    next generation airliner: Tu-334 updated and improved
    previous transport: An-10/12
    new transport: Tu-230 or Il-276
    next generation transport: Tu-230 or Il-276
    previous helicopter: Mi-26/27 (in production)
    helicopter new: ?

    I have included the last helicopter because it is in the same size category and is transport oriented, which can affect the transition of the transport size category niche.

    As you can see, new next-generation projects are being developed in Russia for all niches where Airbus and Boeing operate. If in recent years some projects have been more frozen, now they are likely to be resumed and updated. And in addition to this, a new project to replace the Mi-26/27 may appear. In these size categories, the only recent project without a good outlook is the Be-A40/42.

    And it is also very important in the short term that Russia actually produces aircraft in all niches where Airbus and Boeing operate, with the exception of the successors of the An-22, An-10/12, early Il-76 and An-124. As a consequence, their successors will be prioritized in their development to reach mass production earlier.

    For projects mentioned as in production, demand (not Russia) will resume production of all of them, starting with the hulls that remain unfinished. It is likely that new aircraft will be produced as part of new upgrades, which include modern upgrades and import substitution.

    And in the case of the current Boeing, Airbus and McDonnell Douglas in Russian airlines, if coerced, Russia is likely to nationalize them, which will have a serious impact on the economic performance of the renter companies, and the aircraft will enter into a process of cannibalization to the point of complete exhaustion, which will gradually kill them. , as was done with domestic aircraft.

    (Automatically translated from English. Below is the original commentary in English)

    The situation for Russia in the referred to the aircraft industry is much less unfavorable than what most of the people think. Russia is a country resilient against sanctions, including in the sector of the civil aviation, because worked hard for it in the last two decades. Now with the hostile actions of Airbus and Boeing, most of the people realized about the importance for Russia of the development of civil/auxiliary aircrafts in the niches where Airbus and Boeing operate, which absorb more than a 90% of the traffic, in terms of passengers and tons of cargo moved, and as a consequence are the most profitable.

    Russia, as a country did the most important, to keep living the aviation industry in a situation of very low demand, caused in part for the surplus of production in the last years of the Soviet Union, and also because the potential customers turned towards Western aircrafts. The Russian aircraft industry is still public and alive, and it makes that Russia has still important tools to face these sanctions, in a form that only Russia can do.

    Russia knows perfectly its own assets, and is actually very conscient that in order to answer to the sanctions, only needs to link correctly, the end of the production of the previous projects of Soviet origin and the begin of the production of the projects of the new generation actually under development. And Russia has been doing it in most of the niches where Airbus and Boeing operate. In recent years some of the previous projects have been considered by many people like out of production, but the reality is that their production has been only stopped by lack of demand, even with some unfinished hulls, that can be finished now. This is the current overview for these niches in Russia, taking into account that the niche of the An-225 proved not to have enough demand to be profitable:

    Weight category of the Boeing 747:
    airliner: not profitable
    previous transport: An-124
    transport new: Slon PTS-160

    Weight category of the Boeing 777, Airbus A330, McDonnell Douglas DC-10/MD-11:
    airliner previous: Il-86/80/96 (in production)
    airliner new: CRAIC CR-9s9
    previous transport: An-22
    transport new: Il-106 PTS-80 PAK-VTA

    Weight category of the Boeing 767, Airbus A310:
    airliner previous: Il-62 (in production)
    airliner new: Tu-304FF
    transport previous: Il-76/78/82 Be-A50 (in production)
    transport new: Il-90

    Weight category of the Boeing 737, Airbus A321, Boeing 757:
    airliner previous: Tu-154 (in production), Tu-204/214 (in production)
    airliner new: MS-21 Yak-242 (in production)
    transport previous: earlyIl-76
    transport new: Tu-330

    Weight category of the Airbus A320, Airbus A319:
    airliner previous: Il-18/20/22/24, Tu-134
    airliner new: Su-SuperJet (in production)
    airliner next generation: Tu-334 updated and improved
    previous transport: An-10/12
    transport new: Tu-230 or Il-276
    transport next generation: Tu-230 or Il-276
    helicopter previous: Mi-26/27 (in production)
    helicopter new: ?

    I included the last helicopter, because being in the same size category, and being oriented to transport can have an impact in the transition of the transport niche of the size category.

    Like you can see, Russia has new projects for the new generation under development for all the niches where Airbus and Boeing operate. If some projects have been more frozen in recent years, now they are very likely to be resumed and updated. And in addition to this a new project for the replacement of the Mi-26/27 can emerge. In these size categories the alone recent project without a good prospect is the Be-A40/42.

    And also very important in the short term, Russia has actually aircraft in production in all the niches where Airbus and Boeing operate, except for the successors of the An-22, An-10/12, early Il-76 and An-124. As a consequence their successors will have priority in their development, in order to reach serial production earlier.

    For the projects cited like in production, the demand (not Russia) will reactivate the production of all them, starting by the hulls that remain unfinished. It is likely that new aircrafts be produced under new modernizations, that include modern updates and import substitution.

    And in the case of the current Boeing, Airbus and McDonnell Douglas in the Russian airlines, if forced Russia very likely will nationalize them, something that will have a severe impact in the economic books of leaser companies, and the aircrafts will enter in a process of canibalization until total exhaustion, that will finish them progressively, like has been done with the domestic aircrafts.
  48. yashka12007
    yashka12007 16 March 2022 21: 17
    +1
    And you can have the names of all these people who made decisions on our aviation.
  49. bbss
    bbss 16 March 2022 21: 38
    0
    These are not idlers. They are saboteurs!
  50. Aleksandr123
    Aleksandr123 16 March 2022 22: 12
    +2
    "Only aircraft owned by Russian airlines will be able to fly abroad."
    So they banned all Russians from flying. It will only be possible for calibers, zircons and similar flying equipment. Everything is certified here.