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Russia and Israel: paths so similar

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Russia and Israel: paths so similar

Yes, today, during the ongoing special operation on the territory of Ukraine, it is very useful to recall another special operation forty years ago. We are talking about Operation Peace in Galilee, which began in June 1982. These are two very similar operations in terms of goals and objectives.


I will not go into details of how many units and subunits were involved in the operations, since there is no data from the Russian side and it is not worth waiting for them. One can only estimate, and very approximately. It will focus on the goals and methods of solving problems.

Goals were about the same


The Palestine Liberation Organization, which set up bases in Lebanon, terrorized Israel, which in response sent rockets and shells into Lebanese territory. In fact, there was a war of two forces on the territory of a third state. There was no political solution in sight, since Arafat and his PLO were supported by all neighboring Arab countries, from Syria to Iran.

The goals pursued by Russia in principle are not very different from those of Israel. Yes, there were no shellings of Russian territory from the territory of Ukraine, but for eight years there was a war in the Donbass. Which the world, by the way, also stubbornly did not want to notice, like the PLO guerrilla war against Israel. In addition, Ukraine's stubborn desire to say goodbye to the non-bloc neutral status and join NATO can be compared in the long term with the position of Israel, which at that time was surrounded by by no means friendly countries.

Although today's Russia, as it were, is not surrounded by three rows of friends, let's be honest.

So, in principle, the goals of the countries can be called exactly the same. Maximum security for your territory by maximally weakening the enemy.

What is happening today on the territory of Ukraine can be called an increased operation "Peace in Galilee" or the First Lebanon War.

In count. Israel allocated seven full-fledged divisions and two additional formations to participate in the operation. About 76 thousand military personnel, 800 tanks, 1500 armored personnel carriers, 634 combat aircraft. Plus the army of South Lebanon (about 5 thousand fighters and 97 tanks) and the army of the "Christian Lebanese Front" (about 18 thousand fighters).

In total - about 100 thousand fighters, equipment is mainly Israeli.

Enemy. Four Palestinian brigades (essentially one reinforced division), an artillery regiment and a tank regiment. 15 thousand fighters (I note - very good fighters), 100 tanks, 300 guns and mortars, 100 MLRS, 150 armored personnel carriers and armored vehicles, 200 anti-tank guns, 200 anti-aircraft missile and artillery systems. The numbers are round because everything is approximate.

Plus Syrians. The Syrian army was represented in Lebanon by two tank brigades, two motorized infantry brigades, a tank regiment, and a defensive tank company. Then there were fourteen commando battalions, twelve artillery battalions, two anti-tank companies armed with the Malyutka ATGM, and two anti-aircraft missile brigades (9 Kub batteries, 2 S-125 batteries and 2 S-75 batteries).
Total 22 thousand military personnel, 300 tanks, 300 guns and mortars, up to 300 armored vehicles.

As part of this group, which numbered 22 thousand military personnel and was equivalent to at least two divisions, there were at least 300 tanks (according to other sources, the Syrians had 352 tanks in Lebanon), the same number of artillery pieces and heavy mortars, and about 80 ( according to other sources, up to 300) armored vehicles of various types.

Why these numbers? But why. Israel gathered about 100 thousand people who were supposed to act against 37 thousand enemy fighters. The depth of the offensive was planned at about 100 km, the width of the front was about 60 km. The mountainous relief of Lebanon added difficulties, but there were no large rivers in the country.

In general, it is a real operation on a limited area. Which, however, thirty years later, was nevertheless recognized as a war.

The operation in Ukraine is a matter of a completely different scale.


Events unfold on the territory of ten regions, each of which is two or three times the size of the whole of Lebanon. The features are like this.

The composition of the Russian group is not announced, Western experts give a figure of 150-190 thousand people, but the figure is very doubtful. Even if you use the entire composition of the Airborne Forces (about 50 thousand), which no one will do, the Corps of the LPR and the DPR (about 34 thousand) and 40% of the total number of the Ground Forces (about 280 thousand people), the maximum that can happen is 100- 120 thousand. It just won't work anymore for security and logistical reasons. Perhaps, due to parts of the LDNR, 140 thousand will turn out.

Ukraine has an army of about 200 thousand, but again, it is impossible to use all of them for a number of reasons. So, approximate parity, but Russia has superiority in the air and in technical terms. Although Israel also had the air under control, it did not help much in the end.

There was a clear message in the plans of both countries: to scare the enemy. Definitely, the Russian side showed hope for the “Crimean scenario”. That after the first, maximum, second strike, the Ukrainian army, together with state structures, will collapse and simply scatter home. That did not happen. Definitely, the work carried out in the Armed Forces of Ukraine by American instructors has borne fruit. And a large number of ATO veterans in the army played a role.

The Israelis did not have those problems associated with huge areas that the Russian army has. And Ukraine is a huge distance by European standards, and if we take Lebanon and Israel, then they are cosmic in general.

Control over communications (so that the rear supply columns are not destroyed), control over the movement of the population (especially those who will disguise themselves as it) - this requires an impressive number of people reinforced with armored vehicles. These are the same checkpoints along hundreds of kilometers of roads.

The problem of large cities, in which the Armed Forces of Ukraine have equipped their positions in residential areas, hiding behind the civilian population. In general, the capture of large settlements is a big problem, since it requires a large number of human and technical reserves.

The blockade in our case is absolutely not an option, because in the context of a humanitarian catastrophe, the military and that part of the population to whom weapon, they will be the last to feel the shortage of food and medicine. It is much easier to take away, which has already been demonstrated more than once.

The big problem: an assault is not an option for the development of events, a blockade too. Considering that the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the military battalions do not let civilians out of the cities along the “green corridors”, they fire at them, this is really difficult to solve.

And while it is impossible to judge the results, we can look at the results of the Israeli operation.

Has Israel managed to solve the tasks set?


No. That's what they think even in Israel.

The military part of the operation: the access to the Beirut-Damascus highway within a week, as an active phase of the operation, did not occur. The PLO forces suffered losses, but not critical ones. And the evacuation of the Palestinian army to Tunisia and other countries was carried out, as we would say, “crookedly”, and according to various estimates, from several hundred to several thousand PLO militants remained in Lebanon, who subsequently staged a guerrilla war for the Israeli army, in which they were stronger.

Results in numbers: if during the active phase from June to September 1982, about 350 Israeli soldiers died, then in subsequent years without war, losses are estimated at about 600 people.

The political part of the operation also failed. The main idea was to put "their" pro-Israeli representative at the head of Lebanon, who would be able not only to sign a peace treaty, but also to ensure its implementation. That is, to guarantee the absence of PLO fighters in Lebanese territory and shelling of Israeli territory.

More precisely, there was such a person and he was brought to power. But Bashir Gemayel was in the position of President of Lebanon for a very short time, he and 26 people of his headquarters were killed as a result of sabotage organized in Gemayel's headquarters. His brother, Amin Gemayel, first concluded a peace agreement with Israel in 1983, but it lasted a year, after which it was broken under pressure from Syria and Iran.

And the PLO fighters in Lebanon have been replaced by fighters from Hezbollah, a Shia organization backed by Iran.

But most of all, the reputational, foreign policy and economic losses of Israel became significant.

The crisis in relations with the United States, which did not appreciate the occupation of West Beirut and the blockade, their own losses, increased military spending and, as a result, hyperinflation, which reached 1984% in 445.

And the world community was cheering Israel and Israel's aggression in Lebanon with all their voices. All attempts by Israel to tell that the PLO militants are deliberately based and operating from cities, hiding behind the civilian population, like a human shield, were unsuccessful.

How useless are Russia's attempts to talk about the Donbass and many other things that the more luxurious Ukrainian propaganda dumps on the heads of the world community.

And quite expectedly, Israel caught its package of sanctions. Of course, the sanctions against Israel cannot be compared in quantity and quality with Russian ones, but Israel is also a country more vulnerable to any sanctions.

Indeed, everything is very similar, the only question is the scale.

And if we are talking about comparisons, then it is worth remembering that the Lebanese Christians, involuntarily drawn into hostilities and found themselves on the line of contact with the same Syrian troops near the city of Zahle, also received huge problems. Yes, no one specifically sought to destroy them, like the inhabitants of Donbass, but there were enough “accidents” as well.

However, I repeat, the comparisons are very close, although not joyful.

At one time, Israel was able to solve its problems partially. Yes, the main forces of the PLO were taken out of Lebanon, but exactly what the main ones. And some time later, Iranian-supported Shiites from Hezbollah, which still remains quite a decent force in the region, entered the empty seat. With which even official armies are not considered shameful to cooperate.

In Ukraine, the alignment is somewhat different.


There is a place to be a stratification of society into two parts, one of which is quite loyal to Russia. But we will return to this issue together with Oleksiy Kuznetsov in the article “West vs. East in the Conditions of Ukraine” literally this week.

Whether Russia will be able to solve the tasks set in Ukraine is also a question, since this is a completely separate conversation that will have to be continued separately.

In fact, Russia faces a very difficult task in terms of minimizing losses for the civilian population, minimal destruction of infrastructure in settlements, because it is up to us to restore it, and transferring the population to its side. It is very difficult. As I understand it, this is what caused the slowdown in the implementation of the special operation program.

Of course, Russia has its own way here. Israel was divided with its opponents by many factors, both national, and territorial, and religious. Russia is a little easier, it does not have so many divisive factors in its work with Ukraine, but they also exist and are no less significant than Israel.

The way both countries have solved / are solving their security problems suggests that today we simply have to take into account the experience of Israel, which spends the entire time of the country's existence in conditions, to put it mildly, with unfriendly neighbors. By many indicators. And yet, the country lives on.

Russia is artificially plunged into something similar. The links of the same chain, the promotion of NATO, the unwillingness to listen to arguments, the war with the Russian Donbass - everything is almost the same with Israel. However, a small state successfully solves its problems, including by force.

Indeed, if from the territory of the Golan Heights it is possible to shoot through all of Israel, then ... If Ukraine wants to leave the nuclear-free zone and neutral status ...

The security of any country is the most important task. Therefore, it is not a sin in this regard to take the experience of other countries. Especially if it is so similar to our conditions.
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  1. Thrifty
    Thrifty 15 March 2022 05: 52
    -1
    Roman, the comparison is incorrect for a bunch of reasons and factors. Since its inception, Israel, with its aggressive policy towards the Palestinians, has forced neighboring countries to start wars against itself. Russia has never threatened anyone, and the problem with Ukraine had to be solved as soon as that same Maidan began. As a result of "Lariska" the vegetable escaped from the UK-Roina, leaving, or rather, giving it to the Yankees and the European Union. And, those from the Russian lands blinded anti-Russia. The Israelis themselves were the masters in their lands, they did not listen to anyone's commands and advice, they acted on the principle of "their own hand is the lord." As a result of the wars with the Arabs, the country grew in lands, they developed industry, and did not eat up what they received. The Jews turned out to be smarter than the Ukrainians, the thesis "a bad peace is better than a good war" dominates them even now. This is one of the strongest countries in the region in all aspects, with a high standard of living, it is really a complete anti-ukroina in the economy, where the principle of everything for sale prevails!
    1. Lannan Shi
      Lannan Shi 15 March 2022 12: 32
      +13
      Quote: Thrifty
      Since its inception, Israel, with its aggressive policy towards the Palestinians, has forced neighboring countries to start wars against itself.

      Israel was formed on 29.11.1947/1947/XNUMX. The Arab League promised the Jews a war of annihilation back in October XNUMX. It turns out that Israel did not yet exist, but it was already pursuing an aggressive policy. laughing fool
      1. Shurik70
        Shurik70 17 March 2022 12: 27
        0
        There really is something in common.
        Both Russia and Israel, spitting on the "global" opinion, invaded a neighboring country in order to save the lives of their fellow citizens. And both countries tried to minimize the damage to the uninvolved.
        But there is also a significant difference.
        Russia does not have such an army of politicians supporting it in other countries. The fact that in a third of a century Israel will be remembered only by its closest neighbors, Russia will be remembered centuries later.
        And this is good. There will be nothing good in the next century in the cultural influence of the West. Everything will only get worse every year. Racism. Xenophobia. History distortion. Lie.
        The West will eventually devour itself. And it is important for us at this time to be away from him.
    2. And Us Rat
      And Us Rat 16 March 2022 20: 31
      0
      Quote: Thrifty
      Novel, the comparison is incorrect


      Koka is a diligent student of Psaki. fellow
  2. A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 15 March 2022 05: 58
    +10
    Enemy. Four Palestinian brigades (essentially one reinforced division), an artillery regiment and a tank regiment. 15 thousand fighters (I note - very good fighters), 100 tanks, 300 guns and mortars, 100 MLRS, 150 armored personnel carriers and armored vehicles, 200 anti-tank guns, 200 anti-aircraft missile and artillery systems. The numbers are round because everything is approximate.

    Plus Syrians. The Syrian army was represented in Lebanon by two tank brigades, two motorized infantry brigades, a tank regiment, and a defensive tank company. Then there were fourteen commando battalions, twelve artillery battalions, two anti-tank companies armed with the Malyutka ATGM, and two anti-aircraft missile brigades (9 Kub batteries, 2 S-125 batteries and 2 S-75 batteries).
    Total 22 thousand military personnel, 300 tanks, 300 guns and mortars, up to 300 armored vehicles.

    As part of this group, which numbered 22 thousand military personnel and was equivalent to at least two divisions, there were at least 300 tanks (according to other sources, the Syrians had 352 tanks in Lebanon), the same number of artillery pieces and heavy mortars, and about 80 ( according to other sources, up to 300) armored vehicles of various types.


    Why these numbers? But why. All the above-mentioned forces, as in all previous Arab-Israeli wars, were armed to capacity with Soviet weapons and supplied with the appropriate amount of ammunition, well-trained by Soviet instructors, both on the ground and on the territory of the USSR.
    Special training centers functioned for at least ten years in Solnechnogorsk, Skhodnya, Perevalnoye (near Simferopol), Marakh, Kushka, near Krasnodar and in other places. More than 1000 Arabs from various countries and organizations such as the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) graduated from courses in the USSR in the specialty "commander of a reconnaissance and sabotage platoon" every year. This means that more than ten thousand specialists in the specialty "scout-saboteur" graduated from training centers in the USSR.
    In 1977-1978, 400 Palestinians from Syria and Lebanon were trained in the special school of the GRU, located near the village of Privolnoye, Nikolaev region of the Ukrainian SSR. They came in very handy in the early 80s.
    Of course, the delivery of "cadets" to the USSR, their training, accommodation and sending to their country was paid for by the Soviet side, in this case, already legally with budget money allocated to support national movements, taking away the opportunity to spend it on improving the living standards of Soviet citizens.
    1. soul
      soul 15 March 2022 06: 55
      +3
      Quote: A. Privalov
      the aforementioned forces, as in all previous Arab-Israeli wars, were armed to capacity with Soviet weapons and supplied with the appropriate amount of ammunition, well trained by Soviet instructors

      Alexander, hi The Ukrainian troops also went through a partly Soviet school, and in recent years have been trained by NATO specialists. There was also no shortage of ammunition
      1. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov 15 March 2022 07: 03
        +3
        Quite right. Does anyone dispute this statement?
      2. frog
        frog 15 March 2022 09: 47
        +2
        The chronicle is this:

        - March 23, 2017 - the explosion of the arsenal in Balakliya (Kharkiv region). About 100 tons of ammunition destroyed;
        - September 26, 2017 - the explosion of the arsenal in Kalinovka (Vinnitsa region). 39 tons of ammunition destroyed;
        - October 9, 2018 - the explosion of a huge warehouse in Ichna (Chernihiv region). About 65 tons of ammunition destroyed.

        So, quickly ... But even before that, there were .... events ....
        In general, not everything is simple there .... with ammunition ....
    2. frog
      frog 15 March 2022 08: 32
      +8
      What an epic comment!! "They were to the eyeballs, equipped, well trained ...."
      Song!!!! From only it would be nice to read the memories of those who saw it all with their own eyes and were nearby when all this magnificence needed to be applied. True, these "Soviet citizens" were more than skeptical about the capabilities of this army. What the same six-day period showed. And then - and not only she .... And it is not known what played more here - the desire of the Politburo to see what is expected as if it were real, or Grechkin's talkative report, or simply traditional blindness in the analysis of real life by the same Politburo .....
      But it sounds good, I agree. True, it very much resembles the description of the Afghan army, before their curators screwed up ...... And then - one to one ......
    3. Vladimir Rostovsky
      Vladimir Rostovsky 15 March 2022 19: 14
      +4
      All the above-mentioned forces, as in all previous Arab-Israeli wars, were armed to capacity with Soviet weapons and supplied with the appropriate amount of ammunition, well-trained by Soviet instructors, both on the ground and on the territory of the USSR.

      Oh, my God, that is, we did the same thing with Israel and even much more than what America is doing now with respect to us and Ukraine. I understand... Their cunning spies and our valiant scouts.
      But then why do I read so many xenophobic statements in the direction of Israel here, and there are those from which the hair stands on end, but the Israelis, on the contrary, write adequate and restrained comments, and skillfully tease aggressive interlocutors, although logically everything should be the other way around?
  3. parusnik
    parusnik 15 March 2022 06: 32
    +6
    Russia has already been plunged .. in 1991, and in October 1993, with the support of the world community, the Russian president shot his own parliament.
    1. Pushkar
      Pushkar 15 March 2022 11: 00
      -3
      Quote: parusnik
      in October 1993, with the support of the world community, the Russian president shot his own parliament

      In October 1993, the "parliament", which in 1991 unanimously voted for the destruction of the USSR, discovered that Yeltsin had pulled all power over to himself and decided to compete with the "president". Yeltsin simply showed who was the boss and thus prevented a bloody civil war and the final collapse of Russia (like Yugoslavia). "Rebels", by the way, practically did not suffer. There was only one honest man - Marshal Akhromeev. killed.
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 16 March 2022 06: 32
        +3
        The execution took place, with the support of the world community, or was someone against it? Protested? Take sovereignty as much as you want .. this, of course, was voiced by the parliament .. And EBN, was an active opponent of the collapse of the USSR?
  4. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 15 March 2022 08: 11
    +16
    Russia and Israel: paths so similar

    Russia and Israel cannot be compared a priori ... If only by the number of Jews in each country ...
    To draw some kind of analogy in Russia and Israel is like comparing building repairs in a nursery with the construction of a microdistrict.
    The probable and only comparison can be made only in the aspect of isolation from the outside world. Both countries do not shine with attractiveness for external contacts. It is not known in the nature of the expression: "See Russia (Israel) and die!"
    Israel's cardinal solution of internal problems, the speed of political decision-making, the adequacy of the responses of a country that is not a member of any military blocs, causes, if not admiration, then positive emotions.
    And one more thing: anti-Semitism in the current situation is less common than Russophobia.
    ==========
    I still said and I will repeat that there is no need to look for comparisons and analogies. Let's just look at the stages of history and find periods when our country was an example to follow, when our successes in creation delighted and inspired many peoples of the world and feverish, enraged the Anglo-Saxon world.
    As our citizens have already yearned for confidence in the future, for the social justice that exists for the MOST and not just on paper.
    =====
    The adoption in the third reading of the law on DEG (remote electronic voting) left us to live in a country where only coalition decisions are made, with no responsibility for their benefit (execution, harm), but with the obligatory imposition of hardships and hardships on the shoulders of ordinary citizens.
    hi
  5. riwas
    riwas 15 March 2022 09: 00
    +1
    There was a clear message in the plans of both countries: to scare the enemy. Definitely, the Russian side showed hope for the “Crimean scenario”. That after the first, maximum, second strike, the Ukrainian army, together with state structures, will collapse and simply scatter home. That did not happen.

    So it was clear from the very beginning, Many years of indoctrination and NATO assistance are affecting. We'll have to work hard, but victory will be ours.
  6. Vavilov
    Vavilov 15 March 2022 11: 03
    -6
    a small state successfully solves its problems, including by force

    where did you see a small state there? in terms of ter-ri, yes, in terms of military potential it is the first in the world even now, and comparing and drawing analogies = nonsense, there is not a forced war for its existence, but an aggressive one, the goals are different
  7. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 15 March 2022 16: 11
    +1
    My classmates from Israel quarreled with other classmates from the Russian Federation (we all studied together in Baku). Russian-speaking citizens of Israel are extremely aggressive against the Russian Federation and support the regime.
    1. A. Privalov
      A. Privalov 15 March 2022 19: 47
      +3
      Quote: Zaurbek
      My classmates from Israel quarreled with other classmates from the Russian Federation (we all studied together in Baku). Russian-speaking citizens of Israel are extremely aggressive against the Russian Federation and support the regime.

      And think about how blacks are suffering now with their BLM? After all, the whole world did not care about them. lol
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 15 March 2022 23: 39
        +3
        We are already silent about feminists, gays and transgender people .... greenpeace
        1. A. Privalov
          A. Privalov 16 March 2022 03: 42
          +2
          Quote: Zaurbek
          We are already silent about feminists, gays and transgender people .... greenpeace

          Comrade Thunberg, in general, nervously smokes on the sidelines. Apparently, global warming receded and was replaced by cooling.
          By the way, this year we have a very cold (by our standards, of course) and a very long winter. For more than 30 years, I do not remember this.
    2. AUL
      AUL 16 March 2022 13: 35
      +1
      Quote: Zaurbek
      Russian-speaking citizens of Israel are extremely aggressive against the Russian Federation and support the regime.

      According to my information from acquaintances from there, for the most part, they are all deeply in love.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 16 March 2022 16: 16
        +1
        I write specifically about classmates. Moreover, they are more Azerbaijanis than Jews.
    3. And Us Rat
      And Us Rat 16 March 2022 20: 43
      +1
      Quote: Zaurbek
      Israeli citizens are extremely aggressive against the Russian Federation

      Third. The country is divided into three camps and is dogging itself in social networks. The first camp drowns for Ukraine (immigrants from Ukraine), the second camp drowns for the Russian Federation (immigrants from the Russian Federation). And the third at first wanted to reconcile the first two, but having fallen under the distribution, now he is drowning to expel the first two from the country with these showdowns, under the motto "Take the plague, both of your families." lol
      1. Repellent
        Repellent 16 March 2022 20: 49
        +4
        Quote: And Us Rat
        the third at first wanted to reconcile the first two, but having fallen under the distribution, now he drowns to expel the first two from the country with these showdowns

        Relief. Plus laughing

        Quote: And Us Rat
        "Take the plague, both of your families"

        A plague on both your houses, as an option.
        1. And Us Rat
          And Us Rat 16 March 2022 21: 03
          +1
          Quote: Repellent
          Relief.

          Yeah, there are already the first official victims.
          Two alkonauts from the first two groups came together in battles for a bottle, both in the hospital. Then they go to community service. laughing
  8. Trapp1st
    Trapp1st 16 March 2022 09: 32
    -3
    Russia and Israel: paths so similar
    The author is apparently from a parallel universe, in ours with whom to compare Israel, then rather with Ukraine, it seems that normal people come across, but everything is led by stubborn terrorists.
  9. kimdmitri
    kimdmitri 17 March 2022 10: 00
    -1
    IMHO, "Peace in Galilee" is the Ukrainian ATO, not the Russian NWO. See.
    Israel and Ukraine are both U.S. litters.
    Both had a conflict with "unfriendly" neighbors Lebanon-Palestine-Syria - Donbass-Russia.
    Both unleashed a war and achieved nothing.
    Only unlike Israel, which fought and returned home, Ukraine risks being erased from the political map.