Alfred Rosenberg - the ideologist of using the Ukrainian question against Russia

_{Rosenberg walking with Hitler}

One of the ideological concepts of Nazi Germany was to destroy the Soviet Union from within. To implement this concept, they tried to use the plans that were personally prepared by Alfred Rosenberg, a native of the Russian Empire, who did not digest everything Russian.

In 1941, it was he who was appointed Minister for the Occupied Territories in the East. And it was he who began with particular zeal to implement plans to pit the peoples of the USSR against each other. One of the "ideologemes" is to push the population of Ukraine against the population of Russia. This, as followed in the master plan, should have allowed the Third Reich to easily take control of the territory of the Soviet Union.

According to Rosenberg, in the end there should not be any Reich Commissariat Ostland, and all Ostland controlled by this Reich Commissariat "should forever become part of the German Reich."

According to the policy pursued, the then German intelligence decided to make a special bet on Ukrainian nationalists, on collaborators of all stripes. Those, as it is commonly believed today in Ukraine itself, allegedly fought for Ukrainian “independence”. But neither then, nor now, Ukrainians were told about the works of Rosenberg, according to which no independent Ukraine would exist under any circumstances. It just wasn't part of Germany's plans.

About Rosenberg, his programs and attempts to implement them, as well as the trial and execution, is described in the plot "Digital stories”, which presents the Long Nuremberg project authored by Yegor Yakovlev:

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[Kaufman]

Not everyone made it to Nuremberg. Many managed to escape punishment. As a result, the ideology was not completely killed! Here come the new mushrooms...

[Machito]

Obergruppenführer Scholz, part-time Chancellor of the Federal Republic of Germany, said that Germany was not to blame for anything before Russia.
Weakly, Stalin carried out denazification: it was necessary to deport all Germans to the Nenets district.

[Daniil Konovalenko]

In addition to Stalin, the denazification was carried out by the Americans, the British and the French ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: kaufman

Not everyone made it to Nuremberg. Many managed to escape punishment. As a result, the ideology was not completely killed! Here come the new mushrooms...

Although both Adolf and Alfred went into oblivion: but their ideologists died, and was adopted by all Western countries. For a while, this ideology was "dormant, but under favorable conditions it" woke up "and again the "brown plague" is sweeping over the world, which devours all the peoples of Europe and the USA. Mushrooms have already turned into mold.

[zenion]

Hitler told Goebbels our ideology would defeat communism. But the communists defeated socialism and did what no one could do - they ruined a great country. Greed and money-grubbing continue to kill the country, which was called Russia and changed everything except the thirst for power that gives wealth.

[rocket757]

Alfred Rosenberg - the ideologist of using the Ukrainian question against Russia

They don't shy away from anything...
It will take a long time to get through this...
So it will gradually come to the majority that they were simply used and thrown away when they "did not live up to expectations."
The curators will attach their main assistants, no matter how ... and the rest, who remain, will have to sort it all out, understand on their own skin, this is for foreigners, they were, are and will be, consumables.
Nobody likes to admit that they were used and thrown away, then ... well, the fact that you can’t do this to you, you still have to prove it, YOURSELF!

[antivirus]

Tribunal in Slavyansk will be? For 300-500 hours of stoned

[Turkir]

Rosenberg did not use his own ideas.

Paul Rohrbach is a famous German publicist of the first third of the XNUMXth century. was part of the Kaiser's entourage
Since 1918 year, Rohrbach was actively involved in the topic of Ukrainian independence. In particular, he insisted that the issue of the status of the Ukrainian people cannot be the subject of Russia's domestic policy, but is an international issue.
It was Rohrbach who formulated the idea of ​​creating states in the western territories of Russia that would be de jure independent and completely controlled by Berlin.

[Two]

Khrushchev, the bald bastard, amnestied a great many of his "compatriots - Westerners"! Moreover, they did not serve even half of the appointed term. As the "benefactor" said - "so as not to lose the Ukrainian peasants"! Now we have their grandchildren and grown-up great-grandchildren.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Dos

Khrushchev, the bald bastard, amnestied the great

Your message prompted me to look through the old VO materials:
Why Khrushchev pardoned Bandera and Vlasov
https://topwar.ru/165654-zachem-hruschev-amnistiroval-banderovcev-i-vlasovcev.html
For some reason, legends about Sparta and the Spartans came to mind. It was there that the image of a warrior was cultivated from birth ... Perhaps that is why in Russia (USSR) they loved to pardon and bestow "princely affection" in the country they still flourish zones, prisons and settlements schools of thieves? And those Khrushchev crops gave their first harvest thirty years ago?
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In Russia, the topic of Ukrainian nationalism has been procrastinated for too long. And there were also forest brothers in the Baltic States ... And there were battles with the Basmachi with varying success ...
An interesting conclusion, in my opinion:

Quote: rocket757

Nobody likes to admit that they were used and thrown away, then ... well, the fact that you can’t do this to you, you still have to prove it, YOURSELF!

Well ... Let's admit that while we were walking with wide eyes along the roads of socialism and believed in a brighter future, giving strength, knowledge and skills, plans were already prepared up there for using this PRODUCT that had been developed by all the Soviet people ... But It's not offensive (and disgusting too). It's disgusting that today there are again filthy people who prefer to pull off their own adventure ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: ROSS 42

It's disgusting that today there are again filthy people who prefer to pull off their own adventure ...

We are not accustomed to living without "mold", always in any conflict, it crawls out of all the cracks. "Dust" it must be etched.

[Charik]

Well, the Americans transported the Nazis to their home in Yusa and adopted from them everything fascist, including the worldview

[Daniil Konovalenko]

They didn’t pull it, they had it .. how can a capitalist pull a worldview from a capitalist?

[gorenina91]

Why Khrushchev pardoned Bandera and Vlasov

- Damn, I'm tired of this topic about N.S. Khrushchev!
- When Khrushchev was elected to the post of First Secretary of the Central Committee of the CPSU (this post was invented at the same time - this post simply did not exist before this!) ??? - And Khrushchev was elected to this post - already, in 1953 (September 7) ... - And when was Crimea "transferred to Ukraine" ??? - In 1954 (February 19)! - Only six months had passed after the "election of Khrushchev" - and Khrushchev himself had not yet "fledged" and, in fact, still "did not mean anything" !!! - In the USSR, then they were still "driving" with might and main - "Koganoviches", "Malenkovs", "Mikoyans" (and "Zhukovs" - although ...........) !!! - This whole cohort had to urgently get rid of "Beria and his supporters" - otherwise death !!! - And Khrushchev himself then "hadn't gained weight" yet! - It was only in 1956 - at the XX Congress of the Communist Party of the USSR - that he undertook to "debunk the cult of Stalin"! - And in 1954 - Khrushchev "was still nobody" - he still had to form "his own cabinet") !!! - But this is a completely different topic!
- As for the "convicted Ukrainian Banderaites and Ukrainian nationalist accomplices of the fascists" - not so many of them were convicted (they are precisely accomplices during wartime) ... - And some of these Ukrainian "accomplices of wartime" - more than half of they were killed by "thieves" in the camps ("accomplices" - this was a very "shameful category" - and they were not treated with ceremony in the camps); still a solid part of them - was killed by former soldiers of the Red Army, convicted under various articles - and the "camp administration" looked at this "through the fingers" - and did not particularly interfere in "such showdowns". - Well, almost a third of those who remained - simply ceased to exist in the camps for "natural reasons" - cold, hunger, illness, etc. - So, very, very few were released under the amnesty - this is about "a hundred and a half - two" - and many were just "tuberculosis goons" ...
- And upon arrival in "their Banderia" - these goners - already meant little!

[gorenina91]

- Yes, and more! - Everyone is again accusing Khrushchev of amnesty for Bandera!
- Ha. - WWII ended in 1945! - And many Bandera people were already caught and convicted then! - And the execution in the USSR was canceled in 1947 (May 26) !!! - And already in two years - everyone could already be "executed" - what were they waiting for - until the sentence was canceled ??? - And what does Khrushchev have to do with it - he was elected only in 1953! - And this "first amnesty" (for the abolition of execution) was still under Stalin !!! - So on this issue one should "apply" to ... to Stalin !!!

[Two]

According to statistical estimates of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Ukrainian SSR, people from foreign Europe, North and South America, Australia, New Zealand and the Middle East (including Turkey) arrived in the Ukrainian SSR for permanent residence only in 1955-1958. over 20 thousand persons rehabilitated by the mentioned Soviet Decree.

But the authorities of neighboring socialist countries periodically asked Moscow and Kyiv to settle those who returned to Western Ukraine away from the border in order to prevent terrorist attacks and other actions of those who arrived against these countries. In view of the previous terrorist activities of these Ukrainian nationalists. But Moscow actually rejected such requests of the "fraternal countries" (see, for example, "Yearbook-1964 of the Munich Institute for the Study of the History and Culture of the USSR", Munich, 1965).

[Two]

That's what I see, they are still buried as heroes of the struggle against Russia (in the Union guise). And until now they are leading banderlog columns in "festive" processions ...

[Two]

From the Decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR on the amnesty of Soviet citizens who collaborated with the invaders during the Great Patriotic War of 1941-1945.

17 September 1955 of

“... The Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR decides:

1. Release from places of detention and from other measures of punishment of persons sentenced to up to 10 years in prison, inclusive, for those committed during the Great Patriotic War of 1941-1945. aiding the enemy and other crimes provided for by Articles 58-1, 58-3, 58-4, 58-6, 58-10, 58-12 of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR and the corresponding articles of the criminal codes of other Union republics.

2. Reduce by half the punishment imposed by the court on those convicted for a term of more than 10 years for the crimes listed in Article XNUMX of this Decree.

3. Release from places of detention, regardless of the term of punishment, persons convicted for service in the German army, police and special

German formations. Release from further punishment of persons sent into exile and exile for such crimes ...

6. Remove a criminal record and loss of rights from citizens released from punishment on the basis of this Decree;

Remove conviction and loss of rights from persons previously convicted and served sentences for the crimes listed in Article XNUMX of this Decree.

7. Release from liability Soviet citizens who are abroad, who during the Great Patriotic War of 1941-1945. surrendered to the enemy or served in the German army, police and special German formations...”.

Collection of laws of the USSR, 1938 - 1975. M. 1975. T.Z. pp. 411-413.

According to historians, most of the OUN and UPA fighters rehabilitated in the 50s (banned in the Russian Federation - ed.) and their families became leaders of district committees, regional committees and executive committees in Western, Central and South-Western Ukraine by the mid-70s , as well as leaders of various ranks in Ukrainian ministries and departments, which ultimately revived nationalism in Ukraine again and led to the Maidan.

[sergo1914]

Rosenberg and I studied at the same university. And with Sergei Pavlovich Korolev. Such are the collisions. Unique alma mater. Nazi war criminal and space explorer.

[Dedok]

Quote: kaufman

To Nuremberg not everyone got in. Many managed to escape punishment. As a result, the ideology was not completely killed! Here come the new mushrooms...

even if EVERYTHING, the ideology itself, the propaganda ideas developed in Nazi Germany were picked up by everyone who could hear ...
ideas - do not kill, you have to fight with them always, all your life and every day ...