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The United States refused to support the idea of ​​Poland to supply Soviet military aircraft to Ukraine

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On March 9, US Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin, in a conversation with Polish Defense Minister Mariusz Blaszczak, said that the United States opposes the transfer of Polish Soviet-made MiG-29 aircraft to the Ukrainian side and is not going to participate in this undertaking if it does take place. John Kirby, a spokesman for the US military department, spoke about the position of the Pentagon chief.


According to Minister Austin, the United States does not want Poland's warplanes to be on their support. Earlier, Warsaw said that the United States could arrange the delivery of aircraft from Poland to Ukraine. At the same time, Poland wanted to receive used American-made aircraft from the United States in return.

According to Pentagon spokesman Kirby, the transfer of aircraft will not change the current balance of power in Ukraine. A more effective step, according to the US military, could be the transfer of air defense assets to Ukraine.

In addition, the United States fears a possible reaction of Russia to the transfer of aircraft. Meanwhile, Bulgarian propagandist Hristo Grozev said that the chances of handing over to Ukraine weapons, with which a country can close its skies, is 90%, while NATO forces can only expect airspace to be closed with a 40% probability. Grozev believes that it is necessary to ensure a no-fly zone over Ukraine, and for this it is worth mobilizing the public around the world. As usual in such cases, the "whole world" refers to the group of the US and its satellites.
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  1. konstantin68
    konstantin68 10 March 2022 09: 27
    +3
    In principle, Poland itself can generate such ideas, but they clearly received a go-ahead from the owner for the voice acting of this. So that under the guise of "old Polish aviation", NATO planes did not work there "on the sly". I hope ours take this option into account too.
    1. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 10 March 2022 09: 31
      +4
      On March 9, US Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin, in a conversation with Polish Minister of Defense Mariusz Blashchak, said that the United States opposes the transfer of Polish Soviet-made MiG-29 aircraft to the Ukrainian side and is not going to participate in this undertaking if it does take place. John Kirby, a spokesman for the US military department, spoke about the position of the Pentagon chief.

      Zrada.
      1. NIKN
        NIKN 10 March 2022 09: 31
        +7
        The United States is generally lazy, or insolent, they themselves do not want to knock a finger on a finger. Izh bar what. laughing
        But in fact, they just wanted to tie Poland to war, and they perfectly understand that there is practically zero sense from those planes, fuss is more and more expensive. Ukraine has not yet used up all of its aircraft; they have overtaken the rest to Romania, according to reports.
        1. Orange bigg
          Orange bigg 10 March 2022 09: 42
          -1
          . He also explained: “By the beginning of the special operation, the Ukrainian armed forces had up to 250 serviceable combat aircraft and helicopters.

          The Russian Aerospace Forces destroyed 89 combat aircraft and 57 helicopters on the ground and in the air. Part of the Ukrainian aircraft flew to Romania and does not participate in the battles.

          https://argumenti.ru/army/2022/03/762917

          . Even in the best case, the Ukrainian Air Force will be able to put up only 125 front-line aircraft, of which 71 are fighters. 34 of them are twin-engine Su-27s. Their experienced pilots have the best chance of doing anything to counter the punitive bombings that will most likely precede a large-scale Russian invasion of the Donbass.

          The best of the supersonic Su-27s and the best pilots are combined into one brigade of two squadrons. It is based in Mirgorod in north-central Ukraine, east of the Dnieper, which cuts the country from north to south.

          If the Su-27s of the 831st Tactical Aviation Brigade soar towards Russian aircraft, this will be a sure sign that the Ukrainian Air Force, which missed the campaign in Donbass after heavy losses in 2015, intends to fight again.

          The Kiev Su-27s, despite their advanced age, are still among the most powerful interceptors in the region. But this by no means guarantees that they will hold out against the Russians for a long time.

          Ukrainian twin-engine attack aircraft Su-25 will collapse even faster. In a brief and self-defeating air campaign against pro-Russian separatists in Donbass in 2014 and 2015, the Ukrainian Air Force lost as many as five slow Su-25s intended for close air support of ground forces.

          The losses highlighted the vulnerability of the Su-25. When the task is to fly into one of the most dangerous air spaces on the planet, neither a strong glider nor thick armor will save you.

          The Ukrainian Air Force has recovered many attack aircraft idle on the ground and currently operates about 31 Su-25s. All of them are concentrated in a brigade in Nikolaev on the Black Sea coast. Another dozen or so remain in storage.

          https://inosmi.ru/20220219/vooruzhenie-253076837.html

          From the 125 front-line aircraft, we subtract 89 destroyed and get 36 not destroyed. It looks like they are being held by the Armed Forces of Ukraine because of a possible invasion from Poland or Romania into the territory of Ukraine. No wonder the Romanian MiG-21 flew near the border with the Odessa region.
        2. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 10 March 2022 10: 49
          -1
          "The United States is generally lazy, or insolent, they themselves do not want to hit a finger on a finger" ///
          ---
          On March 19, a huge ship with heavy weapons, chartered by the Pentagon, will begin unloading in Greece.
          There are armored vehicles for Poland and weapons for Ukraine.
          1. NIKN
            NIKN 10 March 2022 11: 11
            +6
            Quote: voyaka uh
            On March 19, a huge ship with heavy weapons, chartered by the Pentagon, will begin unloading in Greece.

            And why in Greece, and not in Odessa?
            I stopped understanding you voyaka. Previously, you seemed to be logical in your competencies. What will this weapon give Ukraine? Prolong the agony and convulsions? Well, it’s right that your idols want the same, what am I, I forgot about your love for idols from overseas. request
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 10 March 2022 11: 23
              0
              "What will this weapon give to Ukraine? It will prolong the agony and convulsions" ///
              ---
              If you haven't noticed in two weeks, the war is dragging on.
              Surrounding 4 cities located hundreds of kilometers apart: Kyiv, Kharkov, Nikolaev, Mariupol - with a grouping of 200 thousand, divided into 4 parts - is an unrealistic thing.
              The war will move into a positional phase.
              Now you understand my logic better? hi
              1. NIKN
                NIKN 10 March 2022 11: 43
                +3
                Quote: voyaka uh
                Surrounding 4 cities located hundreds of kilometers apart: Kyiv, Kharkov, Nikolaev, Mariupol - with a grouping of 200 thousand, divided into 4 parts - is an unrealistic thing.

                Do you have data on the size of the group? Have you taken into account the number of military formations of the L / DPR, the Russian Guard, Chechen units? Surrounded cities are blocked and not surrounded (there is a difference), there are not many troops needed there, provided that there is a timely build-up of forces and means from threatening directions. In addition, there are defense nodes where enemy forces are concentrated and they cannot interfere with the advance of troops. The storming of cities would have diverted much more forces and means, and given the desire to avoid civilian losses to the maximum, there is no longer a military operation going on, but something like an operation to free the hostages, which requires preparation and, therefore, time. Yes, there is a lot to discuss on the specifics of military operations, tactics, etc.
                My message was completely different, that stuffing Ukraine with weapons is like stuffing someone dying of cancer with painkillers and continuing his agony, with this analogy, the relatives of the patient (civilian population) also suffer, etc. And you know, at this stage, painkillers no longer help, they only prolong the agony, and no one will give painkillers in the form of aviation or nuclear weapons.
                I hope you understand my message too. hi
                PS: the cons are not mine, not my style, I have known you for a long time.
                1. voyaka uh
                  voyaka uh 10 March 2022 12: 17
                  +1
                  "The surrounded cities are blocked and not surrounded (there is a difference)" ///
                  ---
                  It's good that you understand this difference. The city is blocked by several fortified areas of Russian troops.
                  Between each of the fortified areas there are tens of kilometers of distance.
                  Reinforcements are coming through these holes. And vice versa, sorties are made to the rear of the Russian troops.
                  Therefore, near Kharkov, for example - zero success.
                  Even though it's blocked. But not surrounded at all.
                  My message: the war is moving into a protracted positional stage.
                  Therefore, the supply of weapons may well reach the addressee.
                  1. NIKN
                    NIKN 10 March 2022 12: 28
                    +3
                    Quote: voyaka uh
                    Between each of the fortified areas there are tens of kilometers of distance.

                    Which are controlled by aviation and artillery (an area without troops does not mean that it is not under control, there is no place where it would not be possible to strike and I wrote that it is always possible to build up forces in a specific threatened direction. To transfer something serious without "roads are a priori impossible now, and the roads are blocked. In principle, the most successful combination is to cover the reinforcements with purely artillery and aircraft without engaging in fire interaction with the enemy, so hardly anyone will dare to do this. What is there in Kharkov? A large grouping and assault are blocked there The city is apparently not ready yet, but the goal of isolating a serious grouping has been achieved, and now the capabilities of this group are being depleted and weakened.
                    I do not deny that the supply of weapons can, but rather reach the addressee, I ask WHY?
                    1. voyaka uh
                      voyaka uh 10 March 2022 12: 50
                      -2
                      "I ask WHY?"///
                      ----
                      Then, neither Ukraine nor Russia will pull out a positional war.
                      Ukraine has a paralysis of the economy due to the blockade of cities.
                      Russia has a paralysis of industry and finance due to sanctions.
                      Both countries are approaching default.
                      And then diplomatic efforts will start to steer.
                      Ukraine receiving batches of weapons will allow holding on to a truce.
                      1. NIKN
                        NIKN 10 March 2022 13: 03
                        +1
                        Quote: voyaka uh
                        Russia has a paralysis of industry and finance due to sanctions.

                        These are your wishes no more smile . The operation will reach its planned completion if the fifth column does not interfere, but I think this time it will not interfere. We remember what the first Chechen war led to, which ended with a "diplomatic" truce, yes, yes, to the second Chechen war, there will be no more such mistake. Everything that the supply of additional weapons will lead to will only lead to greater sacrifices, and will not be able to significantly affect the timing. By the way, do you know the dates? Me not. This, alas, is not advertised and you can talk about tightening, of course, but not critical. Not critical, not even in terms of time, but in terms of results.
                      2. aszzz888
                        aszzz888 11 March 2022 02: 47
                        +2

                        voyaka uh (Alexey)
                        Yesterday, 12: 50
                        ..Russia has a paralysis of industry and finance due to sanctions
                        .
                        you are a faker. At the same time, I believe that your actions will be given a legal answer.
                      3. Lech from Android.
                        Lech from Android. 11 March 2022 02: 53
                        +2
                        Yes, a two-faced comrade ... plays dirty.
                      4. aszzz888
                        aszzz888 11 March 2022 02: 55
                        +3

                        Lech from Android. (Lech from Android)
                        Today, 02: 53
                        NEW

                        +1
                        Yes, a two-faced comrade ... plays dirty.
                        It is very mildly said.
          2. Paul Neumann
            Paul Neumann 10 March 2022 14: 37
            0
            why drag armored vehicles from greece if poland has seaports?
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 10 March 2022 14: 50
              -2
              Not every port is suitable for unloading tanks. We need powerful cranes.
              This ship is not a BDK, but a civilian one, converted to transport equipment.
              1. Paul Neumann
                Paul Neumann 10 March 2022 15: 06
                +1
                I know - I saw the unloading of these tanks. if in alexandroupolis there are appropriate taps, then in gdynia even more so.
                The only difference is that the Americans are strengthening their presence in Greece and Bulgaria. which unnerves Turkey against the backdrop of another aggravation of the confrontation with Greece. and whether tanks will go to Ukraine, we will see. after all, romania is closer.
                1. Lech from Android.
                  Lech from Android. 11 March 2022 02: 54
                  +1
                  Tanks to Ukraine!!! belay
                  Don't rave.
                  1. Paul Neumann
                    Paul Neumann 11 March 2022 14: 37
                    0
                    boy, can you read? where did I write that the tanks would go from Greece to Ukraine, especially through Poland?
        3. Starover_Z
          Starover_Z 10 March 2022 11: 02
          +1
          Quote: NIKNN
          The United States is generally lazy, or insolent, they themselves do not want to knock a finger on a finger.

          Just for their economy, any mess on the globe plays into the hands of their economy.
          They will begin to give "soft" loans to the victims, send their own "rescuers", who will then turn out to be residents of "rescue centers" - read military bases and so on, so on, so on ...
        4. lucul
          lucul 10 March 2022 12: 26
          +2
          But in fact, they just wanted to tie Poland to war, and they perfectly understand that there is practically zero sense from those planes

          And there is )))
          Because today's statement
          The United States refused to support the idea of ​​Poland to supply Soviet military aircraft to Ukraine

          Directly contradicts the statement of the State Department of March 7.)))
          US State Department allowed NATO countries to supply fighter jets to Ukraine

          Link
          https://topwar.ru/193188-gosdep-ssha-razreshil-stranam-nato-postavljat-istrebiteli-na-ukrainu.html
    2. Invoce
      Invoce 10 March 2022 09: 41
      +4
      Quote: konstantin68
      Poland itself can generate such ideas in principle ...

      The Poles, in part to tease, are moving ideas to "Hurrah". They just want to do it with someone else's hands and at the same time get the maximum benefit for themselves ..
      You can remember the Second World War, close, friendly relations between Adolf and Pilsudski ... A chopped off piece of the Czech Republic by Poland, phantom dreams about the Commonwealth from "Mozha to Mozha"
      Only the Lord God sees everything.
      From the beginning of the centuries, Russia has been under the protection of the ancient gods, Allah, Jesus .... For in Russia people who believe in a higher mind are not oppressed
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      1. volodimer
        volodimer 10 March 2022 10: 08
        +1
        the western cities of the former ukraine will simply be leveled for agricultural land.

        In vain you are so, we are not American barbarians, we love culture, history, architecture, painting .. Therefore, in 1945 Vienna was stormed with minimal artillery support. And Krakow was saved. We did not bomb Dresden, but the gallery was not only saved, but also restored and returned. While our Petrodvorets themselves were restoring (here what had to be restored, the list will be endless). We will save Lvov, again at the same price. Yes, we are fighting incorrectly from the point of view of "Europe" and "America", but soon those who spread rot in Europe to Russians, just because they are Russians, will, as in 1812, create a "bistro", admire the generosity and gentleness of the Russian soldier. And once again to be surprised: "We have done so much bad things to them, but they do not take revenge? Why?"
    4. volodimer
      volodimer 10 March 2022 09: 47
      0
      Konstantin, just the whole point is that NATO does not have at least some serious amount of old Soviet aviation. And then there is ... That's why the psheks wanted to exchange their old planes for American ones. They would have overtaken them to Germany, and then: the States should supply them with f-16s in return (though they are also old but flying). And the states themselves must somehow bring this rubbish to mind and hand it over to the cocktails. Psheks get a double profit, because they themselves cannot fix it, but only write it off, and here you can also "renew" in return. And lick the overlord.
      Only now they ran into the wrong ones, the United States themselves will round up anyone for the sake of money.
    5. spectr
      spectr 10 March 2022 09: 51
      0
      Yes, for sure in Belarus on the border near Poland and Ukraine (somewhere along Brest) there are radar stations and monitor the airspace. Yes, and the A-50 was brought to Belarus so that targets could be tracked at low altitudes.
      All this should fix the flight of aviation from the borders of Poland. Therefore, "on the sly" should quickly open up.
  2. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 10 March 2022 09: 28
    +3
    Grozev believes that it is necessary to ensure a no-fly zone over Ukraine, and for this it is worth mobilizing the public around the world. As usual in such cases, the "whole world" refers to the group of the US and its satellites.

    And along Shipkaya, Russian soldiers stood from the Turks, and although I treat the Bulgarians with respect, the little brothers don’t do that, Grozev sold himself with giblets to the Americans.
    1. volodimer
      volodimer 10 March 2022 09: 36
      0
      Bulgarian propagandist Hristo Grozev said that the chances of transferring weapons to Ukraine, with which the country can close its skies, are 90%,
      the only thing it can do is to dissolve its "threats" in the wind. What kind of weapon is this?
      Something more or less serious requires time to learn, it is not. And with the help of MANPADS, they will not close the sky. A no-fly zone over this territory is more likely to be organized by the Russian Aerospace Forces.
    2. Flooding
      Flooding 10 March 2022 09: 58
      +3
      Quote: tihonmarine
      Grozev sold himself with giblets to the Americans.

      well, that's how it sold
      maybe he is an ideological disinterested Russophobe
      maybe the Turks are nicer to him, and he is as dirty as possible for the long-standing victories of the Russian army
  3. Invoce
    Invoce 10 March 2022 09: 31
    +3
    Grozev believes that it is necessary to ensure a no-fly zone over Ukraine, and for this it is worth mobilizing the public worldwide.

    Tell that to Iranians, Saudis, those for whom traditional values, including the relationship between a man and a woman, are the basis for building relationships in society...
    Grozev meant the whole rosy, tolerant world .. I did not finish speaking a little sad
  4. rocket757
    rocket757 10 March 2022 09: 36
    +1
    The United States refused to support the idea of ​​Poland to supply Soviet military aircraft to Ukraine
    What happened? The Poles wanted to fuck something so that they would not be strongly substituted? There striped ones are not worse than them ...
    For every trickster there is a bolt with a reverse thread!
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      1. rocket757
        rocket757 10 March 2022 09: 57
        +2
        They have something working ... but in general, if they manage to get the solders from that, they will sell everything, they are not "greedy".
  5. APASUS
    APASUS 10 March 2022 09: 43
    +2
    The Poles want to cut down money and stay clean. Did you want the Americans to make dirty deeds do for themselves? They didn’t make a lot of mistakes, it’s the Poles who will wipe after the Americans
  6. Emergency
    Emergency 10 March 2022 09: 50
    +3
    With these planes, the Poles fully showed who they are in this world. winked They decided to hide behind the American back, having overtaken the boards intended for Bandera to Germany, to the American airfield. What would be distilled from there. And it is necessary for the owners of problems? Yes, and scary. Russia has stopped joking.
  7. Alien From
    Alien From 10 March 2022 09: 56
    +2
    Mattresses do nothing for anyone! The pans stink.....
  8. Wolf
    Wolf 10 March 2022 10: 19
    +1
    Most important quotes:


    On Tuesday, Poland said it was ready "immediately and free of charge" to transfer MiG-29 fighter jets in service with the country's air force, not to Ukraine, but to the US government. The Polish Foreign Ministry said in a statement that the planes should be sent to Germany at the Ramstein air base to decide on their future fate.




    The Poles were taught lectures from 1938, when they were put under the fist of the Germans and Russia by England. We wanted the Anglo-Axis one more time the same thing, we allies slyly told them Polaki, but let's fly the plane to GERMANY TO THE US RAMSTEIN BASE, and then you in the place calculate with the Russians where the planes come from and to whom !!!   
    It's smart to take Poliaki, hat share, 2 times you can also be deceived by yourself only if you do ...... cancer !!!
    Bravo!!! again !
    1. Wolf
      Wolf 10 March 2022 10: 30
      +5
      In fact, the Anglo-Saxons want to fight with Russia but by proxy, anyone except them can zombie the Nazis on their heads with the Jewish organized criminal group, Polaki, Rumuni, etc. and they will sell weapons and stand behind their backs, as in the Second World War, the Poles were wiser, Hungary too, but the Nazis in the outskirts turned out to be dumb as balvans. Jews are good at fooling stupid people. In addition to this, the Germans also don’t want to, but Scholz’s grandfather is a Nazi fighting in Galicia !!! So be careful with them.
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      2. Wolf
        Wolf 10 March 2022 10: 36
        0
        It turns out themselves bright UKRO NAZISTI JEWISH GANG ??? , , Or maybe that Trotsky and Lenin planned to create a new Jewish nation of Ukrainians?
  9. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 10 March 2022 10: 46
    +2
    The Poles, having decided that they were the most cunning, decided to shift the responsibility to the United States. But the main "ally" did not want to get involved with this - somehow the Poles themselves and the consequences will lie solely on you.
    Bulgarian propagandist Hristo Grozev
    The Bulgarian Russophobe and provocateur is too optimistic with his%, but this is understandable. Anything against Russia is a lei per soul (?) to the instigator from Bellingcat.
    1. Wolf
      Wolf 10 March 2022 11: 37
      +1
      This "Bulgar" is just a prostitute, she does everything for dengue, there are enough of them in Bulgaria and they are in power in Bulgaria. The people are in fact strongly opposed, even ministers are thrown with bottles at rallies, but this is not shown on TV !!!
  10. riwas
    riwas 10 March 2022 12: 53
    +3
    The United States refused to support the idea of ​​Poland to supply Soviet military aircraft to Ukraine

    The United States, substituting Poland - let's take the initiative, and when Poland turned the arrows on NATO, the United States abruptly disowned.
    1. Wolf
      Wolf 10 March 2022 13: 30
      +1
      Exactly that Rivas! Polyaks smarted up from 1938. wink
    2. Paul Neumann
      Paul Neumann 10 March 2022 15: 02
      -1
      Or maybe it’s better to take planes away from the Poles in general? prophylactically. otherwise they would not provoke another world war. there is experience.
  11. iouris
    iouris 10 March 2022 14: 06
    0
    The gun is on the wall. If the wall is not demolished, the gun will fire.