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Su-35S: not appreciated without a worthy opponent

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So, according to reports, in the sky of Ukraine, as part of a special operation, the Russian Aerospace Forces successfully used the Su-35S.



On the one hand, in news there is nothing special, it would be very strange if the use of this aircraft would be unsuccessful. On the other hand, there is something to talk about, because the Su-35S deserves it.

It’s worth starting with the fact that the Su-35S, also known as the Su-35BM (“Great Modernization”), as the project was originally called, represents the end of the Su-27-Su-30-Su-35 evolutionary chain. That is, not just a modification, but a deep modernization of the aircraft, which, in fact, resulted in an almost new car. What we have is a super-maneuverable multifunctional 4++ generation fighter, in which fifth-generation fighter technologies were used.

How is the Su-35BM/Su-35S different from the Su-35?


On-board electronics has undergone significant changes. A new avionics complex, a new radar with phased array, which makes it possible to detect targets at a greater distance, “keep” more targets in the field of view and, of course, fire more targets. And new engines, more powerful AL-41F1S, with thrust vector control. The new integrated control system KSU-35, which performs the functions of several systems at once, used on aircraft of previous models.

The information and control system links the onboard equipment systems into a single integrated system and ensures interaction between the crew and equipment.

Significant work was carried out to strengthen the aircraft airframe structure, which made it possible to significantly increase the aircraft's service life (30 years of operation or 6 flight hours, the overhaul interval was increased to 000 years of operation and 10 flight hours, respectively).

Structurally, the Su-35S is more similar to its ancestor Su-27, it will not have a front horizontal tail, an upper brake flap, a shortened tail boom, wings from the Su-33, with flaperons in the entire trailing edge of the wing. The vertical tail area has been reduced, which reduced the radar visibility of the aircraft.


Thanks to modern small-sized electronics, it has become possible to increase the volume of fuel tanks and increase the fuel capacity to 11 kg (for the Su-500 - 27 kg), plus two tanks of 9 kg each can be hung on external holders.

The AL-41F1S engines are a further development of the AL-31F. New larger fan, new high and low pressure turbines, new control system. Higher thrust (by about 16%), up to 14 kgf in maximum mode, up to 500 kgf in afterburner. The engine resource has also been increased by more than 8 times, the overhaul life from 800 to 2 hours, before the first overhaul - 500 hours.

The Su-35S (Irbis-E) radar is a further development of the radar of the Su-30MKI Bars aircraft with a passive phased antenna array with a capture angle of up to 120 degrees.

The Irbis-E radar station makes it possible to detect and track up to 30 air targets while maintaining a continuous view of the space and simultaneously fire up to eight air targets. Air targets "Irbis-E" can detect at a distance of up to 400 km in a field of view of 100 degrees. In a wider sector (up to 300 degrees), the detection range is about 200 km. Ultra-low-observable targets such as UAVs with an image intensifier tube of 0,01 sq. m. are found at distances up to 90 km.

Another new element in the combat system of the aircraft: OLS-35, an optical-location station that combines a heat direction finder, a laser rangefinder-target designator and a television channel. The field of view, detection and automatic tracking of the target by the optical-location station is ± 90 degrees in azimuth. The detection range of an air target by a heat direction finder in the forward hemisphere is at least 50 km, in the rear - at least 90 km. The laser rangefinder measures the distance to an air target in the range of up to 20 km, and to a ground target - up to 30 km. measurement accuracy 5 m.

The maximum mass of the Su-35 combat load is 8000 kg, it is placed on 12 suspension points. That is, almost the same set as the Su-30.

UAC specialists emphasize that the Su-35S has significantly better flight performance compared to its counterparts already in service and a more advanced set of onboard equipment.


Competitors


The main competitors on the world stage for the Su-35S are considered exclusively fifth-generation fighters F-35 and F-22A. Similar aircraft of generations 4 or 4+, the European Rafal or Eurofighter 2000 and the American F-15, F-16 and F-18 are not considered serious opponents according to UAC experts.

Moreover, it is believed that at close range, when stealth does not play its role so much, the Su-35S can become a very difficult and unpleasant enemy for 5th generation fighters, despite all their advantages and advantages.

The National Interest called the Su-35 the first on the list of Russia's most dangerous weapons in a hypothetical conflict with the United States. The Americans considered that the maneuverability of the Su-35, coupled with a large combat load, super-maneuverability, the ability to launch supersonic missiles and electronic warfare, made the aircraft an extremely dangerous rival for all American aircraft with the exception of the F-22. And given the state of the Raptors today, it’s for everyone.

Participation in hostilities


The combat debut of the Su-35S took place in Syria when, on August 20, 2019, two Russian Air Force aircraft intercepted two Turkish Air Force F-16s over southern Idlib and forced them to leave Syrian airspace.

On August 26, 2019, two Russian Su-35S intercepted an Israeli Air Force aircraft over the Mediterranean Sea.

On September 10, 2019, Russian Su-35S again intercepted several Israeli aircraft over southern Syria and prevented them from launching airstrikes.

In general, in 2019 alone, the Su-35S carried out more than a dozen interceptions of Turkish and Israeli aircraft. Naturally, without the use of weapons. Therefore, we cannot talk about full-fledged military operations, to the greater pleasure of all parties.

Today Su-35S of the Russian Aerospace Forces are taking part in a special operation on the territory of Ukraine. The versatility of the aircraft allows you to work on aircraft, helicopters and UAVs of the Ukrainian Air Force, as well as strike with high-precision weapons on ground facilities of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and terbatov.

According to data from the Russian Ministry of Defense, the Su-35S was used at the entire range of altitudes, from low to high.


Can the use of the Su-35S be seriously considered successful?


Yes and no.

The use of the Su-35S as a carrier of high-precision weapons against ground structures is, of course, beneficial and justified. Especially considering the fact that, despite all the statements, Ukraine still has a place to have air defense. But less complex and promising aircraft are able to cope with such work. And in terms of high-precision weapons, the Su-34 has no competitors at all, a bomber will cope with such tasks much more efficiently than a fighter.

The use of the Su-35S against the Ukrainian Su-27M1 and MiG-29 looks simply not serious. Still, these are aircraft of the last century, modernized in the conditions of the military-industrial complex of Ukraine. That is, laughter through tears. It is enough just to look in the sources what the upgrades of the same Su-27P1M and Su-27S1M are to understand that this is rather a degradation of the once strong fighter. An attempt to turn it into a non-attack aircraft, adapting it to carry unguided airborne ammunition.

So the success of the use of the Su-35S in Syria was due to the conditions of use, when the parties did not set the goal of destroying each other, but were exclusively engaged in preventing each other from performing tasks.


In the special operation in Ukraine, there really are no and could not be worthy rivals for the Su-35S. Those remnants of the Soviet legacy that were somehow repaired and "modernized" in the face of the MiG-29 and Su-27 simply cannot be considered as serious opponents.

So the assessment of the combat capabilities of the Su-35S will have to be postponed until it gets a worthy opponent.

However, I am sure no one will mind if this moment never comes.
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  1. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 10 March 2022 05: 24
    +34
    The use of the Su-35S against the Ukrainian Su-27M1 and MiG-29 looks simply not serious.
    This is called "overwhelming technical superiority" and it's very good that it exists. Because until now, in addition to "frivolous" aircraft, the Armed Forces of Ukraine also have "frivolous" air defense systems, and the author did not mention that the Su-35s also has serious means of jamming.
    1. max702
      max702 10 March 2022 07: 32
      +7
      I’m more interested in what the local participants will say about the Indonesian contract, according to which we have several dozen of these beautiful cars in stock ..
      1. volodimer
        volodimer 10 March 2022 23: 51
        +1
        Did we start making them? If so, then great. Usually, a country involved in a conflict requisitions the equipment being built from it, and then pays compensation for the disruption of the delivery. If there was no contract, and the planes were built, then everything is just fine.
        1. max702
          max702 11 March 2022 20: 04
          +6
          They refused to pay for it .. In this article https://topwar.ru/192185-otkazavshajasja-ot-rocsijskih-istrebitelej-su-35-indonezija-zakupaet-francuzskie-rafale.html#comment-id-12236615 I wrote that thanks Indonesia for giving us several dozen metal planes. For which he was mercilessly minused by the local contingent .. To them, the zeros in bourgeois banks are much more important than the defense capability of our country ...
    2. Osipov9391
      Osipov9391 11 March 2022 02: 56
      -4
      All these jamming devices are only good for defending against fighter attacks. They cannot significantly affect the Buk and S-300 air defense systems.
      That is why the Su-34, and the Su-35S and the Su-30SM have losses from the Ukrainian Buk.
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 11 March 2022 03: 31
        +5
        Quote: Osipov9391
        They cannot significantly affect the Buk and S-300 air defense systems.

        Do you seriously think that the seeker of missiles, that of the S-300, that of the Buk, and even quite old, more noise-immune than sighting systems of fighters?

        Quote: Osipov9391
        That is why the Su-34, and the Su-35S and the Su-30SM have losses from the Ukrainian Buk.
        Facts to the studio!
        In addition to the confirmed Su-25 and the probable Su-34 (or possibly the Su-24), there is nothing about the losses of the Aerospace Forces. Well, the Su-35s electronic warfare system, like any other, does not protect with a guarantee, but reduces the likelihood of defeat.
        1. Osipov9391
          Osipov9391 11 March 2022 12: 55
          -5
          The entire Internet is littered with photos. I won't post them. Burnt-out Su-30SM from the Crimea near Nikolaev (pilots are now in captivity), 4-5 Su-34s shot down. A couple near Kharkov (the wing of one of them fell on an aircraft factory and pierced the roof), one near Chernigov (the Krasnoyarsk pilot was captured, the navigator died), another couple near Kiev.
          And not only they...

          And why ? Yes, more than once, dedicated people have already explained - for both the Buk and the S-300, the radiation power of the radar is an order of magnitude higher than the electronic warfare equipment of the Su-30SM or Su-34, say.
          That's why planes get hit.
          1. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U 11 March 2022 13: 00
            +1
            Quote: Osipov9391
            The entire Internet is littered with photos. I won't post them.

            Of course, of course, that's just either ukrolitaki, or the same thing was shot from different angles.
            Quote: Osipov9391
            Buk and S-300 radar radiation power is an order of magnitude higher than the electronic warfare Su-30SM or Su-34, say.
            Interference by self-defense stations is placed against the seeker of missiles, radars of air defense systems are interfered with by specially designated aircraft with special electronic warfare containers, or by electronic warfare aircraft
            1. Osipov9391
              Osipov9391 12 March 2022 00: 22
              +1
              I'm very on topic. With regards to downed aircraft. And it's easy for me to tell from the photo of the wreckage. I won't post it.
              When KSCK-130 oxygen units lie next to dead or ejected pilots, then these are EXCLUSIVELY our Su-34, Su-30SM or Su-35S.
              Ukraine has never had such things and never has.
              1. Vladimir_2U
                Vladimir_2U 12 March 2022 14: 43
                +2
                Quote: Osipov9391
                And it's easy for me to tell from the photo of the wreckage. I won't post it.

                Yes of course. If you don't believe me, look for yourself, as you know.
                Even the links are not possible to post, no?
                1. Osipov9391
                  Osipov9391 12 March 2022 17: 31
                  -1
                  In general, you can see the official information on the dead pilots.
                  It says what parts they are from - it's easy to understand what they were shot down on.
                  This http://chelyabinsk-news.net/incident/2022/03/07/350933.html died at the end of February near Kiev, his Su-34 was shot down by a Ukrainian MiG-29.
                  Another Su-34 was lost in the same place, a couple of Buk missiles hit. The pilots are dead.
                  This Kaliningrad https://klintsy.info/news/block-6440/ was shot down by a Su-30SM, presumably an S-300.

                  And the list goes on...
                  1. Vladimir_2U
                    Vladimir_2U 12 March 2022 18: 06
                    +1
                    Quote: Osipov9391
                    And the list goes on...

                    You can, of course, only it will be quite short if you get rid of lies.

                    Quote: Osipov9391
                    This http://chelyabinsk-news.net/incident/2022/03/07/350933.html died at the end of February near Kiev, his Su-34 was shot down by a Ukrainian MiG-29.
                    Here is an example.
                    Because no Su-34s were shot down near Gostomel, and the deceased Senior Aviation Lieutenant Alexander Podshivalov, eternal memory to him, was a helicopter pilot. So I write that they drag anything into the losses, and you are being led, well, or throwing on.
                    1. Osipov9391
                      Osipov9391 13 March 2022 00: 08
                      -2
                      At least a couple of Su-34s were shot down near Kiev. Buk worked one by one, MiG-29 by another.
                      The pilots died - they showed fragments of a helmet and more.
                      I spoke on the forum with witnesses of those events on both sides.
                      I don't want to post these pictures.

                      A Su-34 was shot down near Chernigov, pilot Krasnoyartsev was captured, navigator Krivolapov died.
                      A Su-34 was shot down near Kharkov, the pilot Krishtop was captured, the navigator disappeared.
                      1. Vladimir_2U
                        Vladimir_2U 13 March 2022 05: 04
                        +2
                        Quote: Osipov9391
                        At least a couple of Su-34s were shot down near Kiev. Buk worked one by one, MiG-29 by another.
                        The pilots died - they showed fragments of a helmet and more.

                        Yes, yes, but no links, as usual. They did not shoot down anything over Kiev except their own ukrolitaks.
                        What is it, about Gostomel on February 24, no more lies about the Su-34?
                      2. Osipov9391
                        Osipov9391 13 March 2022 17: 17
                        +1
                        I spoke with witnesses of those events. The loss of at least a pair of Su-34s near Kiev was known at the end of February.
                        If the forum is unlocked, then you can take the details.
                        The first aircraft contained fragments of a wing and part of a fragment of a fuselage with an emblem like the Shagol airbase, and the second also contained fragments and personal belongings of the pilots.
                      3. Vladimir_2U
                        Vladimir_2U 13 March 2022 17: 26
                        0
                        Your words have the same faith as your links.
                        About the Su-34 near Kiev in February, an outright lie.
                        Even through Tor, search engines procrastinate the same footage, and not a word about the Su-34 near Kiev.
                      4. Osipov9391
                        Osipov9391 17 March 2022 02: 48
                        +1
                        Apparently, on February 28 near Kiev, a Su-34 of the Khurba air base was shot down and the navigator Vyacheslav Maklagin, who served there, died in it.
                        It was the fragments of his helmet that were shown by the Ukrainian media.
                      5. Vladimir_2U
                        Vladimir_2U 17 March 2022 03: 55
                        +1
                        Quote: Osipov9391
                        It was the fragments of his helmet that were shown by the Ukrainian media.


                        It is clear that the lies about Podshivalov did not go away, the lies about the helmet went. Have you seen these pictures? The helmet of Alexander Oksanchenko, the pilot of the Su-27 of whose Air Force? Correctly Ukrainian.
                        No, I admit that the lies are not yours, but mindlessly repeating someone else's is not worth it!
                        And the deceased Vyacheslav Maklagin could also fly on the Su-30SM.
                        In general, there are losses, but as I wrote, the main Su-25s are on the planes.

                        https://militarizm.su/vojna-na-ukraine/vozdushnaya-vojna-nad-ukrainoj-3-i-4-marta-2022.html
                      6. Osipov9391
                        Osipov9391 17 March 2022 15: 14
                        +4
                        I spoke with witnesses of those events!!! But now they are rubbing all the information and blocking sites.
                        These helmets were found among the wreckage near Kiev exclusively by Russian pilots.

                      7. Vladimir_2U
                        Vladimir_2U 17 March 2022 16: 15
                        0
                        Well damn, no date, no binding!
                        It's like with those shot down on March 5, one crew was separated and announced separately the unit number and unit name, and the uninitiated have the complete impression that they shot down TWO different planes!
                        https://militarizm.su/vojna-na-ukraine/5-marta-2022-chernyj-den-rossijskoj-aviacii-na-ukraine.html
                        Quote: Osipov9391
                        I spoke with witnesses of those events!!!

                        Well, why such blind faith in other people's words, you can't check anything!
                        You already had a puncture with Podshivalov!
                        And with whom you communicate, then from our side a subscription for non-disclosure of losses! Those. information is being conveyed to you by no one.
                      8. Osipov9391
                        Osipov9391 17 March 2022 18: 47
                        +3
                        So what did Podshivalov fly in your opinion?
                        We can’t even get official answers close to how and on what he died.
                        Khasanov and someone else died on the Kaliningrad Su-30SM.
                        But Su-34s from Seshchi and Su-35S from Belarus worked in the Kiev direction.
                      9. Vladimir_2U
                        Vladimir_2U 18 March 2022 03: 22
                        -1
                        Quote: Osipov9391
                        We can’t even get official answers close to how and on what he died.
                        When and where were the details of the death of servicemen reported?! Another thing is that relatives, if they were interested, knew what their loved one flew!

                        Quote: Osipov9391
                        But Su-34s from Seshchi and Su-35S from Belarus worked in the Kiev direction.
                        But not February 24th!
                        Quote: Osipov9391
                        This http://chelyabinsk-news.net/incident/2022/03/07/350933.html died at the end of February near Kiev, his Su-34 was shot down by a Ukrainian MiG-29.
                    2. Lucy
                      Lucy 13 March 2022 14: 30
                      -1
                      He is a graduate of ChVVAKUSh.
                      1. Vladimir_2U
                        Vladimir_2U 13 March 2022 15: 06
                        -1
                        Quote: lusya
                        He is a graduate of ChVVAKUSh.

                        Which trains helicopter pilots, including.
                      2. Lucy
                        Lucy 15 March 2022 08: 58
                        -1
                        Yes, you are a specialist methodologist in the training of flight personnel in universities. Having an idea of ​​​​what is needed for the practical training of army aviation pilots in a school where navigators are trained theoretically, as well as practically on the Tu-134Sh. Well, by the way, helicopter pilots. They could hunchback that he was a navigator on the Mi-26. But here, even at the sofa flight crew, you would seethe, but what was there besides the crew in the transporter? Are you from the same sofa? Those losses that your opponent indicated, with links to photos of half-naked alleged pilots photographed for some reason from the back, are insignificant. Everyone suffers losses, do not underestimate the enemy. Which 8 years ago suffered losses, including from barrel air defense. http://forums.airforce.ru/matchast/5887-poteri-i-boevoi-sostav-vvs-ukrainy/
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                      15. Osipov9391
                        Osipov9391 17 March 2022 03: 00
                        +1
                        Navigator Vyacheslav Maklagin, who was recently buried in Novoshakhtinsk, died on February 28. He served, sort of, in Khurba in the Far East ...
                        Fragments of a decorated ZSh-7APN helmet that were shown among the debris above near Kiev at the end of February belong to Su-34 pilots.
                        There was also a fragment with the emblem of the Shagol airbase. Also in the same area.
                        At least Buk, Maximum S-300 or MiG-29 of the Armed Forces of Ukraine worked on them.
                        Now all thematic sites are blocked, the information is tinder.
                        But through social networks you can learn a lot more, ask eyewitnesses, colleagues, etc.

                        And so if right, then every day in Ukraine they lose helicopters and Su-25SM.
        2. Wertgan
          Wertgan 11 March 2022 21: 03
          0
          View the materials on the Militarizim su website
          1. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U 12 March 2022 14: 45
            +1
            Quote: WertGan
            View the materials on the Militarizim su website

            Thank you, only there is either the Su-24, or the Su-34. And specifically, Su-25s are considered downed
    3. alexey sidykin
      alexey sidykin 17 March 2022 20: 06
      +1
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      The use of the Su-35S against the Ukrainian Su-27M1 and MiG-29 looks simply not serious.
      This is called "overwhelming technical superiority" and it's very good that it exists. Because until now, in addition to "frivolous" aircraft, the Armed Forces of Ukraine also have "frivolous" air defense systems, and the author did not mention that the Su-35s also has serious means of jamming.

      Well, you can say that he mentioned ... poo EW said.
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 18 March 2022 03: 24
        0
        Quote: Alexey Sedykin
        Well, you can say that he mentioned ... poo EW said.

        I didn’t see something at all in the article about defensive capabilities. what
        1. alexey sidykin
          alexey sidykin 18 March 2022 08: 27
          +1
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          Quote: Alexey Sedykin
          Well, you can say that he mentioned ... poo EW said.

          I didn’t see something at all in the article about defensive capabilities. what

          So he didn't tell, he just mentioned... laughing
  2. kytx
    kytx 10 March 2022 05: 35
    +5
    All combat aircraft sooner or later got a worthy opponent. Let's hope that it won't be over us and sous won't be a videoconferencing :)
  3. Third district
    Third district 10 March 2022 05: 51
    +26
    Those remnants of the Soviet legacy that were somehow repaired and "modernized" in the face of the MiG-29 and Su-27 simply cannot be considered as serious opponents.

    Ukro sources on the Internet claim that they have one MiG-29 shot down 16 Russian aircraft. lol And here on the forum, some sympathizers of the Ukrainians continue to carry this nonsense.
    1. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U 10 March 2022 06: 09
      +28
      Quote: Third District
      MiG-29 shot down 16 Russian aircraft

      In one battle, only with a cannon, without shells! laughing
      1. Third district
        Third district 10 March 2022 06: 13
        0
        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        MiG-29 shot down 16 Russian aircraft

        They even came up with a pseudonym for him. Black hawk or something.
        1. Vladimir_2U
          Vladimir_2U 10 March 2022 06: 15
          +4
          Quote: Third District
          They even came up with a pseudonym for him. Black hawk or something.
          Yes, there is already a photo of the pilot, only it is completely obscene! laughing
          Instead of RUS / RUD, he is holding something else there.
        2. bayard
          bayard 10 March 2022 07: 10
          +18
          Quote: Third District
          Black hawk or something.

          "Kyiv ghost". lol And he has already "moved" to the F-16. yes ... Do not expect mercy now - the number of those shot down will go into the hundreds. bully
          1. Third district
            Third district 10 March 2022 07: 14
            +14
            Quote: bayard
            And he has already "moved" to the F-16.

            This is supposedly from a domestic car, moved to a foreign car. Everything is just so simple. But many believe in this nonsense.
            1. bayard
              bayard 10 March 2022 07: 55
              +17
              Many ... very many LAUGH, and a few are miserable in mind - yes believe .
            2. NIKN
              NIKN 10 March 2022 10: 45
              +12
              Quote: Third District
              This is supposedly from a domestic car, moved to a foreign car

              And what? It’s easier there, the automatic gearbox, you don’t need to pull the speeds and squeeze the clutch in battle. But I don’t know which gearbox on the F-16 is 3-speed or 6-speed. laughing
              1. Third district
                Third district 10 March 2022 11: 15
                +15
                Quote: NIKNN
                But I don’t know which gearbox on the F-16 is 3-speed or 6-speed.

                I don’t know about the gearbox, but the radio tape recorder there is much cooler than on ours. yes
                1. Valery Vp
                  Valery Vp 10 March 2022 15: 31
                  +3
                  watch the comedy "hot heads" - they showed an f-16go radio tape recorder ... a cassette one, it seems ....
                  1. Valery Vp
                    Valery Vp 10 March 2022 15: 43
                    +2
                    but no, I beg your pardon, there were cassette players on the F-5 ... winked
            3. sgrabik
              sgrabik 11 March 2022 08: 16
              +1
              Well, that's why he is a ghost, that he can do anything and is simply not vulnerable, just like in Hollywood blockbusters, good storytellers.
        3. Charik
          Charik 10 March 2022 07: 52
          +5
          heavenly swineherd
        4. Ksanatos
          Ksanatos 10 March 2022 09: 16
          +8
          1. APASUS
            APASUS 10 March 2022 11: 33
            +4
            )))) Neighing!!!!
        5. guerilla707
          guerilla707 10 March 2022 12: 18
          +2
          Ghost of Kyiv
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      2. ZeeD
        ZeeD 10 March 2022 12: 08
        0
        Rather self-conceit
      3. albert
        albert 10 March 2022 12: 49
        +2
        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        In one battle, only with a cannon, without shells!

        Ram?! laughing
        1. Xenofont
          Xenofont 10 March 2022 15: 13
          0
          No, he threw diapers, clogged the air intakes and all the engines died out. So comes Paramoga!
      4. And Us Rat
        And Us Rat 10 March 2022 19: 31
        -1
        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        In one battle, only with a cannon, without shells!

        What gun?! belay Ram!!! Exclusively!!! wassat
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    2. Valery Vp
      Valery Vp 10 March 2022 15: 30
      +5
      yes, I read the last 4 with a ram, and drove one into the field on my knees ...
    3. Vasek
      Vasek 12 March 2022 06: 35
      +1
      "... the Su-34 has no competitors at all ..."
      And what aircraft is the article about?
  4. Alien From
    Alien From 10 March 2022 06: 03
    +11
    I am always amazed at the elegance of our aircraft. What beautiful cars! good
    1. kytx
      kytx 10 March 2022 09: 34
      +4
      And that American planes are not beautiful? Or French?
      Fighters are all beautiful.
      1. Alien From
        Alien From 10 March 2022 09: 38
        +3
        In our zest, as in Apple!
      2. Letun
        Letun 11 March 2022 11: 32
        0
        Quote: kytx
        Or French?

        Well, I don’t know, I can’t get used to this filling rod sticking out like a stick on Rafal. It doesn't add elegance at all.
    2. volodimer
      volodimer 11 March 2022 00: 02
      -1
      The term "Elegant" in relation to aircraft, I have not yet met. Although why not.
      And our Sushki are very "gallant", when they want to launch a rocket at them, they move to the side and "gallantly" let it through. laughing While the "lady"-rocket is flying, the "cavalier"-fighter can depict a "cobra" or "bell" and wait.
  5. bandabas
    bandabas 10 March 2022 06: 10
    +15
    The plane is beautiful. Only you don’t need to do hat-throwing.
  6. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 10 March 2022 06: 34
    +9
    Sometimes there are doubts of a personal nature in commenting on articles. Firstly, I think that "there is no need to make hats." Secondly, articles by well-known authors themselves carry a wide range of information.
    I'm just glad that the Russian Aerospace Forces have similar equipment, for which there are few competitors in battle.
    1. volodimer
      volodimer 11 March 2022 00: 10
      0
      The text and meaning of the article does not provide for serious comments. Sometimes you can relax. hi
  7. avg avg
    avg avg 10 March 2022 06: 45
    +2
    In a word, shit, not a plane. That's when he clashes with the Death Star and wins, then it will be possible to consider him a good plane!
    1. volodimer
      volodimer 11 March 2022 00: 24
      -1
      If Luke Skywalker had a Su-57 with its excellent guidance system and a "dagger", and not this junk in the form of an X-Wing, then fly along the channel, under the attacks of anti-aircraft towers and Darth Vader, to hit a photon torpedo in hole, there was no need. The Death Star would have been immediately doomed.
  8. Revolver
    Revolver 10 March 2022 07: 24
    -8
    By the way, why hasn't the SU-57 been used yet? When else will such a chance to experience real hostilities present itself?
    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 10 March 2022 07: 42
      +4
      Quote: Nagan
      why the SU-57 has not yet been used

      And what will it give? request
    2. Jacket in stock
      Jacket in stock 10 March 2022 07: 51
      +8
      Quote: Nagan
      By the way, why hasn't the SU-57 been used yet? When else will such a chance to experience real hostilities present itself?

      What is the benefit of such a test?
      Even if SU35 is redundant.
      1. Revolver
        Revolver 10 March 2022 10: 03
        +1
        Quote: Jacket in stock
        What is the benefit of such a test?
        Even if SU35 is redundant.

        What is the usefulness? Yes, at least in the fact that when you sell export customers, then on competitive "but our F / Rafale / Grippen / what the Chinese trade there showed itself perfectly in real battles"will answer"and our SU-57 (or whatever they call the export version) performed even better. Here's a video from the photo-machine gun(or as such equipment is now called).
    3. Charik
      Charik 10 March 2022 07: 55
      +4
      who knows, they write that the X101 flew by, which means that the cords are working, but not a word about this from the Moscow Region either.
      1. Repellent
        Repellent 10 March 2022 08: 02
        +6
        Quote: Charik
        but about this, too, not a word from MO

        Colleague, you seem to be confusing the RF Ministry of Defense with the nearest Pyaterochka store.
        1. Charik
          Charik 10 March 2022 08: 36
          +3
          I don’t confuse anything, there a person says why they don’t use the Su57, I answered him that no one talks about the use of Tu, but the X family fly.
          1. Repellent
            Repellent 10 March 2022 08: 46
            +4
            Quote: Charik
            there a person says why they don’t use Su57

            What about Nagan? A person lives in the States, if sclerosis does not change me, and is treated well in Russia. IMHO natural curiosity.

            Quote: Charik
            I don't confuse anything

            I agree, my apologies hi
    4. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 10 March 2022 09: 58
      +7
      Quote: Nagan
      why hasn't the SU-57 been used yet?

      By the way, a message has just appeared that the Su-57 was noticed in the Zhytomyr region ... If the current vodka did not affect the vigilance of the "paparazzi"!

      Of course, this is "written with a pitchfork on the water"; but for now this is all that is in support of the "Su-57 in Ukraine"!
    5. alexey alexeyev_2
      alexey alexeyev_2 10 March 2022 17: 01
      +1
      I’ve already been noticed and even worked at low altitude. It’s not afraid of the stinger. I saw the video in the morning. It has some kind of ugly sound
    6. akarfoxhound
      akarfoxhound 10 March 2022 20: 48
      +1
      Somewhere in the telegram channel today I saw a uploaded video from the Ukrainian natives with a Su-57 flying by. Some kind of bridge he lupanul
  9. Bradley
    Bradley 10 March 2022 09: 25
    +2
    The combat debut of the Su-35S took place in Syria when, on August 20, 2019, two Russian Air Force aircraft intercepted two Turkish Air Force F-16s over southern Idlib and forced them to leave Syrian airspace.

    The fact that the aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces forced Turkish fighters to leave the skies of Syria is not a combat debut. There was no fight.
    Now, if there was an air battle and there were downed F-16s, then it would be combat debut.
    The combat debut was in Ukraine, where the Su-35S destroyed air defense systems with Kh-31P missiles.
    1. volodimer
      volodimer 11 March 2022 00: 34
      0
      10 May 1940, a German Dornier bomber Do.17 was intercepted by fighters of the Swiss Air Force and landed at the Altenhein airfield.

      1 June The 1940 formation from the 36 bomber He.111, which took off on a mission to the area of ​​Marseille, decided to “cut off the corner” through the airspace of a neutral country. The 12 of the Swiss Messerschmitt was raised to intercept - the violators tried to resist. As a result, two German aircraft were destroyed. The Swiss suffered no losses.

      https://topwar.ru/42667-vvs-shveycarii-protiv-vseh.html

      Which of these is called "combat debut"?
      In the first case, no casualties, but expulsion from one's own airspace or forcing the intruder to land, in my opinion, is no less important than shooting down. hi
      1. Bradley
        Bradley 11 March 2022 01: 13
        0
        Which of these is called "combat debut"?
        In the first case, no casualties, but expulsion from one's own airspace or forcing the intruder to land, in my opinion, is no less important than shooting down.

        So in the first case there was no battle.
        But it was in the second one.
  10. kytx
    kytx 10 March 2022 09: 30
    -3
    Quote: Nagan
    By the way, why hasn't the SU-57 been used yet? When else will such a chance to experience real hostilities present itself?

    What for?
    In Ukraine, aviation is working intensively, pilots fly on what they are trained for and fly a lot. Why drive a virtually non-serial wundeval there?
    When the Americans began the operation in Libya, for some reason, everyone was waiting for the use of f22 there. The Pentagon said: there are no targets for f22!
    Everyone is very upset :(
    Then the Pentagon said, well, to hell with you!
    And they bombed a barn. 1 time.

    Here is the same
    but f22 is serial, at least though not a drummer at all. Su57 is not yet available.
  11. Hexenmeister
    Hexenmeister 10 March 2022 09: 59
    +2
    It is enough just to look in the sources what the upgrades of the same Su-27P1M and Su-27S1M are to understand that this is rather a degradation of the once strong fighter. An attempt to turn it into a non-attack aircraft, adapting it to carry unguided airborne ammunition.
    Still, in fairness, we should return to the roots. Initially, at the time of the end of the tests, the Su-27 had the possibility of using unguided weapons on visually visible ground targets, and then, to please the Americans, the remote controls were "cut" on it so that this was not possible. To call the process of restoring this capability an upgrade is too "loud".
    1. akarfoxhound
      akarfoxhound 10 March 2022 21: 10
      +2
      What is good about the Su-27 - its modernization does not require "cutting remotes". In the niche of the nose landing gear there is a roomy hatch, called "dog lover" among the technical staff. It has a bookcase with skids. Blocks are installed in the whatnot. The "multi-purpose / interceptor" upgrade actually consisted of replacing or removing the desired block. Very thoughtful. Therefore, when Gorbaty ordered to make the Su-27P from the Su-27S, the process took a very short time, without driving the equipment to the ARZ
  12. Aviator_
    Aviator_ 10 March 2022 10: 37
    +1
    Structurally, the Su-35S is more similar to its ancestor Su-27, it will not have a front horizontal tail,
    But there was no PGO on the Su-27.
    1. Fitter65
      Fitter65 10 March 2022 11: 57
      +1
      Quote: Aviator_
      But there was no PGO on the Su-27.

      The first copies of the Su-27M, which later became "demonstrators" were with PGOs, True, they later became all different Su-35s ...
      1. Aviator_
        Aviator_ 10 March 2022 13: 06
        +1
        The first copies of the Su-27М,
        Initially, it was about the Su-27
        1. Hexenmeister
          Hexenmeister 10 March 2022 13: 41
          +1
          There is absolutely no idea what was going on! The subsection is called
          How does the Su-35BM/Su-35S differ from the Su-35

          Let's not find fault with a certain "Su-35BM", but why "from the Su-35"? This serial index was assigned to the only experimental aircraft, which in itself was an intermediate point in the T-10M development chain, then it should be compared with the end point of the development of this chain, with the one that received the "same" Su-37 serial index, there there were both PGO and UVT, and then a radar with headlights.
          1. Aviator_
            Aviator_ 10 March 2022 14: 01
            +1
            Well, that's what it's called. And in the text
            Structurally, the Su-35S is more similar to its ancestor Su-27, it will not have front horizontal tail,
            it follows that the author believes that the Su-27 had a PGO.
            1. Hexenmeister
              Hexenmeister 10 March 2022 14: 16
              +1
              In the text of the article, everything is very unsuccessfully and ambiguously stated, it would be more correct to write: "Due to the lack of PGO appearance The Su-35S looks more like the Su-27" and that's it!!!
              1. Fitter65
                Fitter65 10 March 2022 14: 30
                +3
                Quote: Hexenmeister
                The text of the article is very unsuccessful and ambiguous, everything is stated,

                Yes, rather in the text of the article - everything is turned upside down and in a special stupidly perverted form. laughing
        2. Fitter65
          Fitter65 10 March 2022 14: 15
          0
          Quote: Aviator_
          Initially, it was about the Su-27

          Okay, which one of the Su-27s? Su-27S, or Su-27P, Su-27SK, SM3, and there was also a Su-27IB ... If it comes to that
          Multirole fighter. It was equipped with a more powerful radar and PGO. For foreign customers it was offered under the designation Su-35. All aircraft under this designation, which for some reason were not exported and ended up in the Russian Air Force, are officially registered as Su-27M according to the documentation.
          In short, that Su-35, it was the modernization of the Su-27S, but the current Su-35
          The multipurpose fighter, unlike the Su-27M, which was also called the Su-35 at international air shows, does not have a front horizontal tail and is equipped with engines with a thrust vector control system.
          Well, plus other "nishtyaki".
          1. Aviator_
            Aviator_ 10 March 2022 14: 17
            +1
            Okay, which one of the Su-27s? Su-27S, or Su-27P, Su-27 SK, SM3, and there was also
            The text is just about the Su-27 without indexes. Well, this is a well-known author, I don’t even want to discuss it.
            1. Fitter65
              Fitter65 10 March 2022 14: 37
              +3
              Quote: Aviator_
              The text is just about the Su-27 without indexes. Well, this is a well-known author, I don’t even want to discuss it.

              So the devil pulled me, because I had a presentiment who the author was, he knew what - Do I need it? But I couldn’t resist, now I’m spitting, well, after reading the first sentence, I could switch to other articles and news, no, my finger twitched to the keyboard ... laughing laughing laughing good Well, that's how it is, in short. drinks
              P.S. you better put the phrase "famous author" in quotation marks, so they are really "famous" .... good laughing laughing
              1. Aviator_
                Aviator_ 10 March 2022 16: 47
                +2
                Here I somehow spoke more harshly about him, so I banned him for a couple of weeks .. Of course, "famous".
                1. Fitter65
                  Fitter65 11 March 2022 02: 09
                  +1
                  Quote: Aviator_
                  Here I somehow spoke more harshly about him, so I banned him for a couple of weeks .. Of course, "famous".

                  The same pechelka was a couple of times. And on the other hand, he himself decides who to ban who does not.
                2. alexey sidykin
                  alexey sidykin 18 March 2022 08: 26
                  +1
                  Quote: Aviator_
                  Here I somehow spoke more harshly about him, so I banned him for a couple of weeks .. Of course, "famous".

                  I was also banned for criticism ... though for a shorter period.
          2. Hexenmeister
            Hexenmeister 10 March 2022 14: 30
            0
            Su-27S, or Su-27P
            What is the difference between "S" and "P"? wink
            1. Raven 95
              Raven 95 10 March 2022 21: 18
              +9
              When adopted by the Air Force, the aircraft received the designation Su-27S (serial), and in air defense aviation - Su-27P (interceptor). The latter had a somewhat simplified set of equipment on board and could not be used as a strike machine (for ground targets).
              1. Hexenmeister
                Hexenmeister 10 March 2022 22: 10
                +1
                And what has been simplified?
                1. Raven 95
                  Raven 95 10 March 2022 22: 37
                  +8
                  They write that on the Su-27P they dismantled the blocks and wiring for air-to-surface weapon control in order to exclude the fundamental possibility of working on the ground.
                  The blocks are fine, but I strongly doubt about the control wiring.
                  1. Hexenmeister
                    Hexenmeister 11 March 2022 10: 46
                    +2
                    I strongly doubt
                    So I doubt it, well, they removed all the controls for this weapon from the consoles, well, they removed the relays on the power circuits of the holders, but to redo the blocks and the cable network of the already tested aircraft !!! ... so I doubt it, that's why I put a winking emoticon in the original question, the changes are scanty, the resulting ability to attack ground targets is not so hot, even by the standards of the 80s, and, accordingly, the allocation of "C" and "P" is essentially for "accounting".
                    1. kit88
                      kit88 11 March 2022 11: 08
                      +7
                      To make a bomber from an interceptor (for exercises, to throw lighting bombs as targets), the armed forces needed a TEC hangar and a day of time.
  13. certero
    certero 10 March 2022 10: 40
    0
    I would like to know about losses
    1. Osipov9391
      Osipov9391 11 March 2022 02: 59
      -2
      They are. And significant. The entire Internet is littered. Lost Su-34, Su-25SM, Su-30SM, Su-35S and many helicopters.
      Ukrainian Buki and S-300 are working.
  14. Fitter65
    Fitter65 10 March 2022 11: 35
    +12
    ... wings from the Su-33, with flaperons along the entire trailing edge of the wing.
    Really not mistaken who the author. We look at the flaperons on the Su-33
    Here's the truth with might and main the trailing edge of the wing.
    Su-33 wing mechanization, it is represented by flaperons with an area of ​​2,4 m², performing the functions of flaps and ailerons, two-section flaps with an area of ​​6,6 m² and a three-section rotary nose with an area of ​​5,4 m
    Su-27-
    On the wing there are flaperons that perform the function of ailerons and the function of flaps in takeoff and landing modes.
    compare with the photo of the Su-35 given in the article
    Glider. See Su-27 glider
    And finally, let's compare the flaperons on the Su-34 and Su-35
    Is it true that everyone has different wing mechanization? laughing Damn, Roma, well, don’t write articles about aviation, it’s really not yours. If there are so many jambs in your articles about "ancient airplanes", then why did you decide that you write something normal about the Su-35? ... Yes, almost after the title, you had one portak after another. You'd better write about a fighter from Star Wars. Although there is a suspicion that you mess up there too. Although here in analytics you are great, I read with rapture, here you will shut up many by the belt. But about aviation ... Well, PZHAAALUSTA.
    1. avg avg
      avg avg 10 March 2022 14: 19
      +2
      He sees it that way... In general, everyone can offend an artist, but not everyone can run away!
  15. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 10 March 2022 13: 07
    +2
    In order to seriously compare with Western fighters, in addition to the data in the article, you need to know the network capabilities of the Su35S. Can he passively receive information and shoot, with whom can he exchange information: Fighters, AWACS, air defense systems, ground-based radars ..... how can he work on the "ground" using available means of detection: PFAR and OLS, to what extent functions are automated (refueling, landing, takeoff, etc.) .... So far, what we know for sure is that there are no hanging containers with IR equipment and optics to turn the S30SM and SM2 into a full-fledged bomber to replace the Su34.
    1. Hexenmeister
      Hexenmeister 10 March 2022 17: 17
      +1
      capabilities of the Su35S

      The following data is given:
      Possibility of group actions in the air up to 16 Su-35 aircraft with automated information exchange and target allocation, incl. in the networks of the aviation terminal (AT).
      High efficiency of action against land and sea targets due to high navigation accuracy, radar and optoelectronic systems with a long range, a wide field of view and the ability to simultaneously fire several targets.
      High situational awareness of the pilot due to optoelectronic and electronic reconnaissance systems, a complex of communications and information exchange facilities, and the capabilities of aircraft surveillance and sighting systems.
  16. Amateur
    Amateur 10 March 2022 15: 41
    0
    So the assessment of the combat capabilities of the Su-35S will have to be postponed until it gets a worthy opponent.

    Why such modesty? The American f22 and f35, Rafali and even the Chinese claim that they are the most super-duper wunderwaffles and therefore will tear everyone apart, although they also have no experience in combat use.
    make the aircraft an extremely dangerous rival for all American aircraft with the exception of the F-22.

    Naturally, no one is going to deal with the argument why this is so.
    "And so everything is clear to everyone."
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 10 March 2022 16: 49
      0
      Much depends on auxiliary forces and means. NATO members always howl with the help of all sorts of E-3s and Avaks. Everyone sees and everyone hears. And, preferably, in superiority. The level of American F18, F15 and F16 (in Iraq and Yugoslavia) was a generation higher than the MiGs of Iraq and Yugoslavia ..... and information support too. This did not prevent us from building an advertising campaign for American aircraft.
  17. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 10 March 2022 22: 02
    0
    At a minimum, one more upgrade is needed using components from the Su57 ... .. whether it will be 30ka or 35ka, I don’t know
  18. Pavel57
    Pavel57 11 March 2022 09: 48
    0
    The fact that the Su-35 is superior to the Su-27 is not surprising. But this means that in our Aerospace Forces, the Su-27 must also be decommissioned and replaced with modern aircraft.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 11 March 2022 11: 41
      0
      At a minimum, fresh avionics and Su27 and Su30 and Su34 .... bring to the level of Su35
  19. Alexfly
    Alexfly 11 March 2022 15: 14
    0
    But what about Bringing Kyiv? Already shot down at least 2 ....
  20. Sergey Melnik
    Sergey Melnik 12 March 2022 03: 37
    0
    Quote: Osipov9391
    All these jamming devices are only good for defending against fighter attacks. They cannot significantly affect the Buk and S-300 air defense systems.
    That is why the Su-34, and the Su-35S and the Su-30SM have losses from the Ukrainian Buk.

    Come on, give specific examples of losses. When, where, while doing what, otherwise it looks very much like propaganda chatter, most likely it is. Since the losses of such machines were not announced in the official press
  21. Hyper_X
    Hyper_X 12 March 2022 12: 51
    -2
    I’m dying from ordinary FABs on our planes .. today ... in some places .. Everything is the old fashioned way ...
  22. Joker62
    Joker62 13 March 2022 05: 06
    0
    Quote: Osipov9391
    All these jamming devices are only good for defending against fighter attacks. They cannot significantly affect the Buk and S-300 air defense systems.
    That is why the Su-34, and the Su-35S and the Su-30SM have losses from the Ukrainian Buk.

    What the hell??? As far as I know and have information on hand about the Su34 and Su35S, during the conflict with "404" there was not a single loss of these combat vehicles.
    So there is no need to throw a fake about the loss of these cars into the public!
  23. Joker62
    Joker62 13 March 2022 05: 10
    0
    Quote: Osipov9391
    They are. And significant. The entire Internet is littered. Lost Su-34, Su-25SM, Su-30SM, Su-35S and many helicopters.
    Ukrainian Buki and S-300 are working.

    Your warriors are solid fakes! Go on, Kostyan, drive the blizzard until you are ever taken by the scruff of the neck! Live and look...
  24. mixa688008
    mixa688008 13 March 2022 10: 37
    0
    I don’t understand from what distance the F-35, F-22 will be visible on the Su-35 monitor? From what distance will these types of aircraft be captured by the missile guidance head for firing? From what distance are our planes visible and how far can the enemy launch a missile?
    1. Outsider
      Outsider April 11 2022 11: 45
      +2
      I don’t understand from what distance the F-35, F-22 will be visible on the Su-35 monitor?

      - 12-15 kilometers.
      From what distance will these types of aircraft be captured by the missile guidance head for firing?

      - Approximately from a range of 1.6-1.8 km - if you're lucky, you can accurately point them.
      From what distance are our planes visible ...

      The F-22 will see the Su-35S from the front from a range of 400 km in normal mode and from a range of 340 km in LPI mode - low probability of intercept, the F-35 will see the Su-35S from a range of 285 km and 250 km, respectively.
      and how far can the enemy launch a rocket?

      - The AIM-120D missile, both the F-22 and F-35, will be able to launch on a collision course in the stratosphere (11+ km) from a range of 180 km.
  25. Lucy
    Lucy 26 March 2022 14: 48
    0
    Quote: Vladimir_2U
    Haha, yours, Lucy, the comment in which, as proof of the impossibility of training a navigator-operator on the Ka-52, you dragged in the fact that the cadets of the CHVVAKUSH underwent navigation practice on the Tu-134Sh and An-26Sh, shows nothing but insanity. Not my insanity, mind you.

    A set of words and ha, ha.
  26. Outsider
    Outsider April 11 2022 11: 35
    0
    ... So the assessment of the combat capabilities of the Su-35S will have to be postponed until it gets a worthy opponent.

    However, I am sure no one will mind if this moment never comes.
    Roman Skomorokhov

    - Since the Su-35S is sold to anyone who is not too lazy, who wants and can pay for it, there is not the slightest problem in conducting training battles between the Su-35S and F-22 - with the most thorough objective control. Starting, as expected, with DVB and gradually reducing the initial distances.
    After two dozen fights, it will become absolutely clear to everyone, "xy from xy" and who should work on what ... laughing lol
  27. Outsider
    Outsider April 11 2022 11: 59
    +1
    Quote: Amateur
    So the assessment of the combat capabilities of the Su-35S will have to be postponed until it gets a worthy opponent.

    Why such modesty? The American f22 and f35, Rafali and even the Chinese claim that they are the most super-duper wunderwaffles and therefore will tear everyone apart, although they also have no experience in combat use.
    make the aircraft an extremely dangerous rival for all American aircraft with the exception of the F-22.

    Naturally, no one is going to deal with the argument why this is so.
    "And so everything is clear to everyone."

    - "Clear to tears" - if the F-22 sees the Su-35 from a distance 400/340 km (with different radar operating modes), if the F-35 sees the Su-35 from a distance 280/245 km, and the Su-35S of any of them from a range of less 20 km, - what is there to talk about at all ??
    https://theaviationist.com/2022/04/07/f-35-interview-with-billie-flynn/
  28. Daverk
    Daverk April 14 2022 15: 32
    -1
    God forbid! are you out of your mind? there is fighting what it is not a pity to lose. find me at least one frame with "armata", or su-57? Uranium-9? Platform-M?
  29. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 1 May 2022 22: 43
    0
    This is already the second modernization with Afar, a new cabin .... or even with the TRD "30"
  30. FRoman1984
    FRoman1984 3 May 2022 06: 29
    0
    One Su-35 from 159 Guards IAP was shot down in April near Kharkov. Photo in telegram. The pilot was taken prisoner, thank God he is alive.
  31. Vladimir SHajkin
    Vladimir SHajkin 9 May 2022 20: 00
    0
    ... So the assessment of the combat capabilities of the Su-35S will have to be postponed until it gets a worthy opponent.
    However, I am sure no one will mind if this moment never comes.


    It will certainly have to be postponed, but only - postponed.
    In vain you are sure, I am against it. Weapons are created in order to use or limit the use of the enemy (apl), so sooner or later by us or in another war of another army, but comparison is necessary to move on
  32. mixa688008
    mixa688008 24 June 2022 08: 45
    +1
    Good afternoon everyone, after voicing at what distances aircraft are visible on radars and targets are captured by missile guidance heads, I had a lot of feelings, 1-someone is deceiving me,
    2-I would like the announced capture distances of the SU-35 to be more 3-it turns out to be a shooting range and Su in it a target 4-to arm the Su pilots with something that shoots further than 3 km. In general, with such performance characteristics, what can be compared? Just hope that Su will dodge 5-7 missiles. Brad and not a comparison.