The Ministry of Defense announced the capture of several conscripts involved in a special operation in Ukraine

The Russian Ministry of Defense acknowledged the fact that a certain number of conscript soldiers who were in units involved in the delivery of goods to the territory of Ukraine fell into the zone of the special operation. At present, all such servicemen have been withdrawn to the territory of Russia.

At a briefing held on Wednesday, the official representative of the Ministry of Defense, Igor Konashenkov, said that several facts of the presence of conscripts in units and subunits of the Russian Armed Forces participating in a special operation were discovered. According to him, the conscripts participated in the delivery of supplies to the advanced units. At present, Konashenkov stressed, all conscripts have been returned to Russian territory.

The military department also admitted that one of the units of the rear service was ambushed by the Ukrainian DRG and several people, including conscripts, were captured by the Armed Forces of Ukraine. According to Konashenkov, all measures are now being taken to release the Russian servicemen.

Meanwhile, the Russian president, who had previously said that only contract soldiers were participating in the special operation in Ukraine, instructed the Chief Military Prosecutor's Office to identify and punish those who allowed conscripts to be included in the number of people involved in the operation. As stated in the Kremlin, all the commanders of the units of the Russian Armed Forces were instructed in advance: to categorically exclude the involvement of conscripts to perform any tasks on the territory of Ukraine.

In addition to the punishment that will follow through the Ministry of Defense, the one who gave the order will have to answer to the mothers and other relatives of the conscripts who were captured.

Comments

[Alien From]

Here's how it doesn't look good...

[Blackmokona]

Well, not the first time and not the last. They love eagle heads to contradict each other all the time.

[vitvit123]

Well, you have a holiday! Now there is something specific to screw up ..

[vitvit123]

Surprisingly for me, but I am also more inclined to this opinion ..

[Misha Honest]

I totally agree.

[Flooding]

Quote: Ingvar 72

many failures purely in the planning of the operation

what planning failures are you talking about?

Quote: Ingvar 72

it's time to admit that there is a war going on and introduce martial law.

for what purpose and in what regions?

"Grounds for the introduction of martial law"

https://base.garant.ru/184121/5ac206a89ea76855804609cd950fcaf7/

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Flood

what planning failures are you talking about?

The most important is the underestimation of the mood of the local population. Underestimation of the capabilities of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Disgusting planning of rear services and protection of rear columns. That is why there are so many vids with abandoned equipment due to lack of fuel on the network. The failure of planning to take Kharkov with a swoop. The list can be long.

Quote: Flood

for what purpose and in what regions?

for the purpose of mobilization. And about the article of the constitution - the law that drawbar. We need to save the country, time is against us.
P.S. The State Department recommends that US citizens urgently leave Russia.

[Flooding]

Quote: Ingvar 72

The failure of planning to take Kharkov with a swoop.

where does your confidence come from that it was planned to take Kharkov with a swoop?

Quote: Ingvar 72

for the purpose of mobilization. And about the article of the constitution - the law that drew

Is it necessary to introduce martial law for partial mobilization?
What age should be mobilized in your opinion?
What do you propose to do with the mobilized?

The constitution is not a decree for you, I understand that.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Flood

where does your confidence come from that it was planned to take Kharkov with a swoop?

Entering tactical groups in the city center. One column of 4 Tigers was gouged there, ours burned the BTR-4 in response, and settled in the school. As a result, the school was gouged by the approaching tank of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Now all of our people have been taken out, and Kharkov is being beaten according to all the canons.

[Flooding]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Entering tactical groups in the city center.

again:
is this a scheduling error?
or a commander's mistake during the execution of a mission?
you don't know it
but take the liberty of saying

4 "Tigers" - looks like reconnaissance. group
and on this basis you write about an attempt to take the whole city in a hurry

[Misha Honest]

Quote: Flood

is this a scheduling error?

This is the mistake of the General Staff. Let's call everyone by their proper names. It could be for example:
1. To start a war not at 6 o'clock in the morning, but for example at 2 o'clock in the morning - when all the rules are people sleeping.
2. Land an airborne assault after the removal of air defense in the largest cities - Zhytomyr, Kyiv, Odessa, Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk, Chernihiv, etc. So that people wake up, and they already have a new power.
3. Massively use drones, both ground and air...
4. Do not stand on ceremony with the western regions of the Outskirts ...
But our General Staff did not do all this - and now we have what we have ... ((

[Repellent]

Quote: Misha Honest

This is the mistake of the General Staff. Let's call everyone by their proper names. Could for example

... whoever undresses him sheds tears (bow)

but I'll still try to play the game. So:

Quote: Misha Honest

1. To start a war not at 6 o'clock in the morning, but for example at 2 o'clock in the morning - when all the norms people sleep

It seems like they started at 4, on the "dog watch", no? You may not answer.

Quote: Misha Honest

2. Land an airborne assault after the removal of air defense in the largest cities - Zhytomyr, Kyiv, Odessa, Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk, Chernihiv, etc. So that people wake up, and they already have a new power

This is a fox. How will you land, Budyonny?

Further until it is interesting, higher question, answer... honestly

[Misha Honest]

Quote: Repellent

It seems like they started at 4, on the "dog watch", no? You may not answer.

If you are talking about Putin, then at 6.00 he only announced ... Morning, sir) It was already light.

Quote: Repellent

This is a fox. How will you land, Budyonny?

On foot, obviously. Like now...
Kharkov, Kyiv, Kherson, Nikolaev, Sumy, Melitopol, Odessa - obviously it was possible with turntables - the distance is not so great.
Zhytomyr, Dnipro, Cherkasy - Ilamy.

[Repellent]

Quote: Misha Honest

Kharkov, Kyiv, Kherson, Nikolaev, Sumy, Melitopol, Odessa - obviously it was possible with turntables - the distance is not so great.
Zhytomyr, Dnipro, Cherkasy - Ilami

Fabulous. The silts will be shot down (everything, with a guarantee), most of the turntables, too.

What are your next steps, Budyonny?

[Misha Honest]

Quote: Repellent

The silts will be shot down (everything, with a guarantee), most of the turntables, too.

The air defense is suppressed or did not have time to become stupid from the bombing. Apparently you forgot about escorting hawks and crocodiles? )

[Repellent]

Quote: Misha Honest

Air defense is suppressed or did not have time to become stupid from the bombing

Try to stick to common vocabulary.

To shoot down a helicopter, when landing from it, air defense is not needed, a "fly" is enough. Support will not work on the site where the landing is carried out. The site must be in the city or very close to it, for obvious reasons. There is a garrison in the city and a crowd of inhabitants with Kalashmats. This is so, for understanding.

Not even speaking about, how many people do you need to take and hold at least the same Kharkov. You don't seem to have thought about this yet. Try it, use your imagination. Budyonny.

[Misha Honest]

Quote: Repellent

To shoot down a helicopter, when landing from it, air defense is not needed, a "fly" is enough.

Agree. However, the human factor is important here - soldiers alerted at 2 a.m. without briefing (by commanders who themselves don’t know anything), without clear target designations, are not able to properly reflect anything.

Quote: Repellent

Garrison in the city

A sleepy garrison who does not understand anything. Panic.

Quote: Repellent

a crowd of inhabitants with Kalashmats.

Where?! Even ours did not expect war. Kalash began to be distributed only on the second or third day.

Quote: Repellent

how many people do you need to take and hold at least the same Kharkov.

How many cities are we currently blocking? The same number at checkpoints along the perimeter + a small garrison at key points until reinforcements arrive.

[Repellent]

Quote: Misha Honest

However, the human factor is important here - soldiers alerted at 2 a.m. without briefing (by commanders who themselves don’t know anything), without clear target designations, they are not able to properly reflect anything

This is bullshit, sorry.

Quote: Misha Honest

A sleepy garrison who does not understand anything. Panic

Hombre, you are branded - you did not serve in the Soviet Army. By the way, in Russia too.

Quote: Misha Honest

Quote: Repellent

how many people do you need to take and hold at least the same Kharkov.

How many cities are we currently blocking? The same number at checkpoints along the perimeter + a small garrison at key points until reinforcements arrive.

That is, you plan to parachute about 10000 people? Like in Crete, practically

Hombre, you are already making me laugh... I repeat: don't be embarrassed, this problem is not solved like that.

[Misha Honest]

Quote: Repellent

this problem is not solved.

And how do you think it is resolved?
Planned siege, how now?

[Repellent]

Quote: Misha Honest

And how do you think it is resolved?

It looks like you're a Jew somewhere at heart

Do not know. What they are going to do now - I can’t even imagine. We'll see, time will tell.

[Misha Honest]

Quote: Repellent

It looks like you're a Jew somewhere at heart

I may be a bit Polish, on my father's side, but that's not certain.

[sleeve]

How old is the strategist? "Overlord" does not give rest? Sky in domes

[Repellent]

Quote: sleeve

How old is the strategist? "Overlord" does not give rest? Sky in domes

Was that really a question for me?

[sleeve]

Yes, I'll take down the comment.

[Repellent]

Quote: sleeve

Yes, I'll take down the comment.

Thank you

[sleeve]

Here are the Christmas trees of the stick, I did not understand. comment for you. I really became interested in the age of your counterpart. Then to get a grasp of the further discussion and the question lost its relevance. It's not about age. It's a matter of position. Possibly life. But really "take a swoop" is because something personal turns out. And our General Staff miscalculated in only one thing: they did not think that the combatants would simply go to the cities and hide behind civilians. It seems to me that this will be included in the recommendations for combating us for NATO. Well, from the field of psychology.

[Repellent]

Quote: sleeve

I really became interested in the age of your counterpart

Without the slightest idea (BMP), but definitely younger than me. Much...

Quote: sleeve

Our General Staff miscalculated in only one thing: they didn’t think that the combatants would simply go to the cities and hide behind civilians

This is what seems strange to me. How could not guess, it lies on the surface ...

Quote: sleeve

It seems to me that this will be included in the recommendations for combating us for NATO

I don't understand, to be honest. But, in general, not the point.

And with the "vis-a-vis" I was just having fun, it was at night, there was nothing to do ...

[sleeve]

Recommendations for the deployment of forces in residential areas without evicting people. Good way to slow down the Russians.

[Repellent]

Understood thanks. It will work on defense (not a fact, but it can happen), but what does NATO and we have to do with it?

[sleeve]

Well, they are lovers to adopt "good experience". And how are they without us? No way. So the brochure will appear on any or educational cartoon, it suits the mood. And so we and NATO have nothing to do with it.

[Alemax]

And with the "vis-a-vis" I was just having fun, it was at night, there was nothing to do.

Well, in vain)))
Could explain to the guy on the fingers, on the example of taking the same Kharkov swoop. What if, even hypothetically, a landing force of 3 thousand people is dropped on the city and if they don’t break their legs on skyscrapers and other garages-trees at 4 in the morning, then they will be able to fight with active growing resistance, a maximum of 12-15 hours. Then they will simply run out of ammunition and they will be killed there like a carouse. And it is simply impossible to organize support and logistics for such a period and at such a distance. That's his whole super plan for a swoop.
Budyonovshchina was good in its time ...

[Flooding]

Quote: Misha Honest

This is the mistake of the General Staff.

It would be possible to go over each point of your ingenious devastating criticism.

But it was a specific question for a specific person.
And the question was rather rhetorical.
Because the answer is too obvious for any sane person.

And so, yes.
VO is seething with an abundance of strategists on a scale from Napoleon to Macedonian.
Well, that's right. There is nothing to be ashamed of your talents. Burn all over.

[Misha Honest]

I do not pretend to be either a brilliant strategist or a tactician, it's just that what I see at the moment is a complete well.

[sustav75]

You have clearly reviewed all the issues of the Zvezda TV channel, Military Acceptance, and other unparalleled things in the world! There are no normal combat drones in Russia. Forget...

[astronom1973n]

Quote: Misha Honest

Don't stand on ceremony with the western regions of the Outskirts...
But our General Staff did not do all this - and now we have what we have ... ((

Misha Do you have a military education? Are you familiar with operational art, at least read the BUSV part 1? I guess not. It's good to sit on the couch ...

[Victorio]

Quote: Flood

Quote: Ingvar 72

Entering tactical groups in the city center.

again:
is this a scheduling error?
or a commander's mistake during the execution of a mission?
you don't know it
but take the liberty of saying

4 "Tigers" - looks like reconnaissance. group
and on this basis you write about an attempt to take the whole city in a hurry

===
agree

Quote: Quote: Ingvar 72

Kharkiv is being hammered according to all the canons.

- yes, and this statement raises questions and doubts

[Thompson]

Do not boil, he can see better from the sofa!

[Leonidych]

Yes! We seem to have climbed there for a long time and there will be many more such cases. This is not 2014.

[Cat Kuzya]

Well, as we plan according to history, we all know - "little bloodshed in foreign territory", how the planned is carried out - the same is known - the last wars will not lie.

[Flooding]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Disgusting planning of rear services and protection of rear columns

We must distinguish between planning and implementation.
That is why I ask that errors in planning are visible to those who implement plans due to unsatisfactory results with a clear execution of the plan.
Errors in the implementation are visible to those who plan the operation due to unsatisfactory results in case of violations in the execution of the plan.
Both that and another becomes clear at the analysis of operation by the experts owning the information in full.

Why did you decide that supply problems are not related to improper performance of official duties?

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Flood

We must distinguish between planning and implementation.

Naturally. But this is precisely the planning error.

Quote: Flood

What made you decide that equipment problems are not related to improper performance of official duties?

Did I say on the performance of official duties by the rear? No, here again a failure in planning. It was assumed that the logistics would not be hit. As a result, so many of our artillery were beaten.

[Flooding]

Quote: Ingvar 72

No, here again a failure in planning

just write on the basis of what facts or data you came to this conclusion

[YOUR]

Escort of columns from the air was organized only after several columns were destroyed. Also escorted by armored vehicles. All pictures and videos of our destroyed columns are only trucks and tankers.
The fact that there are conscripts so that they do not tell any officer or person somehow connected with the army is clear and understandable. Too large-scale operation, for it, only contract soldiers in our army are simply not enough.
Therefore, it was extremely surprising to listen to assurances at the highest level that there were no conscripts there.
They confessed only when these salabons were captured. Imagine a soldier who served a maximum of six months and was thrust into a meat grinder in peacetime.

[Adrey]

P.S. The State Department recommends that US citizens urgently leave Russia.

Are you serious? No fools, link plz

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Adrey

Are you serious? No fools, link plz

In any news line.

US Ambassador to Moscow Sullivan recommended that the Americans immediately leave Russia. RIA News.

[Adrey]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Quote: Adrey

Are you serious? No fools, link plz

In any news line.

US Ambassador to Moscow Sullivan recommended that the Americans immediately leave Russia. RIA News.

Yeah...

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Adrey

Yeah...

Yes, thoughts are spinning not the most pleasant ....

[Adrey]

thanks for the info

[Adrey]

Caribbean crisis nervously smokes on the sidelines...

[Aag]

Quote: Adrey

Caribbean crisis nervously smokes on the sidelines...

As an emotional statement ... remark - I can understand.
As a feeling of people, participants in those events, who survived, from those who fought in the Second World War - you will agree - is unacceptable!
It seems that the time has come not just to wrap the St. , but really repeat.
It turned out that not everyone is ready.

[Sadam]

If in the Russian Federation you can get off with a pierced wheel, then in Europe you can get it if you speak loudly in Russian on the phone. Restaurants beat cars. hatred at the household level, they explain that two bucks per liter is the Kremlin's fault

[Aag]

Quote: Sadam

If in the Russian Federation you can get off with a pierced wheel, then in Europe you can get it if you speak loudly in Russian on the phone. Restaurants beat cars. hatred at the household level, they explain that two bucks per liter is the Kremlin's fault

I think you misunderstood my comment...
But I completely agree with you. It is one thing in the Russian outback to declare support for a special operation of the Russian Federation in Ukraine, and, quite another, to do the same in the Baltic states, for example, in Europe, not to mention Ukraine itself ...

[Kesha1980]

Stop panic! ANDREY, charge!

[Mikhail Sidorov]

Yes, thoughts are spinning not the most pleasant ...

Well, I don't think it will come to that. I don't think they want to die...

[1Alexey]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Quote: Adrey

Yeah...

Yes, thoughts are spinning not the most pleasant ....

If you read this news in full, then further clarification of this recommendation is given. And the meaning is completely different than it was in the case of the same recommendation for Ukraine.

This is not a fear of war, but a fear that by reducing our diplomats in the United States, America can achieve that Russia in response will close the American embassy altogether and US citizens in Russia will be left without the help of their embassy.

[Repellent]

Quote: 1Alexey

If you read this news in full

There are very few people here who read anything to the end. Even fewer - comprehending what they read.

The person you are addressing is the vast majority. The nickname "the best commentator" is proof of this.

[1Alexey]

Quote: Repellent

The one you're talking to

I actually wrote this for everyone and I am very pleased that you read my comment.

[konstantin68]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Disgusting planning of rear services and protection of rear columns.

Logistics is the main problem, it always has been and always will be.
There are no perfect operations, especially since there is every reason to believe that the decision was made in a hurry.

[Poplar]

For some reason, it also seems to me that the operation was planned later, and together with the LDNR. And when intelligence reported on Kyiv's plans to clean up the Donbass, we had to urgently start the operation, otherwise it would have been extremely difficult for both us and the Donbass.

[alekseykabanets]

Hello Igor!

Quote: Ingvar 72

for the purpose of mobilization.

Mobilization, even partial, will only increase anti-war sentiment in the Russian Federation. And against the general background of a deterioration in the standard of living of the population, against the background of a rise in prices, in the end it will lead to unrest.

[Mikhail Sidorov]

With the declared goals of the operation, I think partial mobilization is necessary in the border regions.

And against the general background of a deterioration in the standard of living of the population, against the background of a rise in prices, in the end it will lead to unrest.

When do you think at least partial mobilization will be necessary? What conditions must be created for this?

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Mikhail Sidorov

With the declared goals of the operation, I think partial mobilization is necessary in the border regions.

What for?

Quote: Mikhail Sidorov

When do you think at least partial mobilization will be necessary?

Never.

Quote: Mikhail Sidorov

What conditions should I create for this?

The condition for mobilization should be a war of liberation, but not this "special operation", with unclear goals, which was even forbidden to be called a war.
PS. Imagine how "mobilized for a special operation" will sound, it's funny, but this laugh is bitter.

[Mikhail Sidorov]

The condition for mobilization should be a war of liberation, but not this "special operation", with unclear goals, which was even forbidden to be called a war

And if the name changes, then immediately mobilization? Well, this operation is not liberating in your opinion?

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Mikhail Sidorov

Well, this operation is not liberating in your opinion?

He speaks better than me.

The fact that this "special operation" has become a necessity is disgusting. But to call it liberation, I don’t know, to put Deripaska and Rotenberg on the neck of Ukrainians instead of Kolomoisky and Akhmetov, is that what you think liberation looks like?

[DIM (a)]

The fact that this "special operation" has become a necessity is disgusting.

I fully support! Forced to action!

[Kesha1980]

More like a warning. The main reasons (development of biological weapons, radioactive weapons) - officially just now went into the information field. But it is extremely important to excommunicate the Nazis from this world.

[Repellent]

Quote: Kesha1980

The main reasons (biological weapons, radioactive weapons - officially just now went into the information field

Moreover, these "reasons", most likely, are not really causes. But, as it was said long ago - "to understand is to explain". Yourself, yes.

[Kesha1980]

To "shout out to the whole world." This is the information war. And it is necessary. Just for the world, as it turned out), neo-Nazism (real) is invisible, we don’t notice. For them, murders in the distance = in the distance. And that's all, but they don't see murders and terror. Even the water blockade of Crimea is genocide. But they don't notice.
And yes, indeed 80% of the population supports this operation. We do not like the Nazis and the threat to our gouging, but here it is already locked up.

[Repellent]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

against the backdrop of deteriorating living standards

What already?? Or is it just waiting?

I have here familiar sugar with buckwheat for 100 kilos bought .. idiots

Quote: aleksejkabanets

will eventually lead to unrest

To dampen the unrest, there are specially trained breakwaters ... but on the scale of the train-at home, I can do it, they obey for some reason

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Repellent

What already?? Or just waiting?

How! What country are you broadcasting from? Sugar has risen in price from 53 rubles. to 87 rubles, buckwheat has risen in price from 85 rubles. up to 128 rubles. I need a covering material and drip irrigation, they have risen in price by more than 30%, further list? Or is it all an improvement in my standard of living?

Quote: Repellent

To dampen the unrest, there are specially trained breakwaters ...

Aha-ha-ha, remind me how Nikolashka ended his days?

Quote: Repellent

and on the scale of the train-at home, I’ll fit in, they obey for some reason

Do not flatter yourself.)))) Or are squadristi officially supported by us?

[Repellent]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

Or is it all an improvement in my standard of living?

That's for me personally (and the state too, I believe) deeply from the bell tower to your personal "standard of living." Judging by what you have listed - you just snickered, my dear

Quote: aleksejkabanets

Aha-ha-ha, remind me how Nikolashka ended his days?

Then the state was much more humane than it is now. Unfortunately for him, the state. Now you and your kind will easily arrange a tiananmen on a national scale, you know this, and therefore, for the time being, sit quietly. Well, sit down, you will be more whole.

Quote: aleksejkabanets

Don't flatter yourself

Sorry, but it is (s).

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Repellent

That's for me personally (and the state, I believe) deeply from the bell tower to your standard of living.

I have no doubt about this.)))) I have long been convinced that this state does not give a damn about my standard of living.

Quote: Repellent

Judging by what you have listed - you just snickered, my dear

Yeah, with five children I snickered further.))))

Quote: Repellent

There the state was much more humane than it is now. Unfortunately for him, the state. Now you and people like you will easily arrange a tiananmen on a national scale

Well, yes, well, yes, I see that this state is becoming more and more like Italy, the time of Mussolini, or Chile, the time of Pinochet. Does it make you happy? But the end of such a state will not please any of us.

[Repellent]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

I have long been convinced that this state does not care about my standard of living

I'm glad we don't have disagreements here. By the way, I think that this is the right approach on the part of the state: no one will let you die of hunger (and you are not going to, thank fate), and then - "on your own, only on your own."

Quote: aleksejkabanets

With five children, I snickered further.))))

Children are good. But here is the "drip irrigation" ... you are not going to drip water the children, right?

Quote: aleksejkabanets

I see that this state is becoming more and more like Italy, the time of Mussolini, or Chile, the time of Pinochet. Does it make you happy?

Rather yes than no. Both there and there (I'm talking about Italy and Chile) there was a mess, and in the end they brought at least some, but order. G-d give...

Quote: aleksejkabanets

only the end of such a state will not please any of us

And that's exactly why I, already an old (almost) person who survived the same 90s (the movie "Brother" is resting, as I lived through them))), I will make every effort to ensure that all kinds of white and other ribbon people sit at yourself at home quietly. I can. I love. practicing

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Repellent

I'm glad we don't have disagreements here. By the way, I believe that this is the right approach on the part of the state: no one will let you die of hunger (and you are not going to, thank fate), and then - "on your own, only on your own."

But tell me, if "on my own, only on my own," why should I support such a state? We are treated for a fee, we study for a fee, we create jobs for ourselves, etc.

Quote: Repellent

Rather yes than no. Both there and there (I'm talking about Italy and Chile) there was a mess, and in the end they brought at least some, but order. G-d give...

Is it okay that the justification of fascism is a criminally punishable act?

Quote: Repellent

And that's exactly why I, almost an old man who survived the same 90s (the movie "Brother" is resting, as I lived through them))), I will make every effort to ensure that all sorts of white and other ribbon people sit at home quiet.

Well, we all survived the 90s, by the way, with medicine then it was much better than now, it was "optimized" already under Putin. And all sorts of white tape workers just head the government of the Russian Federation, its economic bloc, in any case.

Quote: Repellent

I can. I love. practicing

God forbid you in my village with such a poke or another similar one, our people are simple ...... often quite simple.)))

[Repellent]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

But tell me, if "on my own, only on my own," why should I support such a state?

Without it, the state, you will need your own gold reserve, and your own army to guard it. Not to mention that "minus the state" is minus the water supply and electricity in the outlet. Are you ready for this? Me not.

Quote: aleksejkabanets

justifying fascism is a criminal act

Propaganda, yes. And where did you see her?

Quote: aleksejkabanets

Well, we all survived the 90s, by the way, medicine was then much better than now, it was "optimized" already under Putin

As for medicine, this is a controversial issue. But that's a lot of letters.

Quote: aleksejkabanets

And all sorts of white ribbons just head the government of the Russian Federation, its economic bloc, in any case

I have the impression that under the economic war unleashed by us (!) they will be carefully cleaned. Well, that's how it seems to me

Quote: aleksejkabanets

God forbid you in my village with such a poke or another similar one, our people are simple ...... often quite simple.)))

Why do I need your village? I have my own ... urban type

And about yours - type in the internet "when the Jewish Cossacks rebelled." Very reminiscent

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Repellent

Without it, the state, you will need your own gold reserve, and your own army to guard it. Not to mention that "minus the state" is minus the water supply and electricity in the outlet. Are you ready for this? Me not.

Are you trying to justify the need for a state at this stage of human development in me? Even without you, I understand that today humanity needs a state.))) I asked you about something else

Quote: aleksejkabanets

But tell me, if "by myself, only by myself", why should I support a state? We are treated for a fee, we study for a fee, we create jobs for ourselves, etc.

Quote: Repellent

Propaganda, yes. And where did you see her?

Saw the justification and praise of the fascist state

Quote: Repellent

Rather yes than no. Both there and there (I'm talking about Italy and Chile) there was a mess, and in the end they brought at least some, but order. G-d give...

What is not? Don’t worry so much, sooner or later all the defenders of capitalism slide into fascism.)))) It’s not for nothing that your idol has a favorite philosopher - Ilyin, who shared fascist beliefs and wrote laudatory articles about national socialism.

Quote: Repellent

As for medicine, this is a controversial issue. But that's a lot of letters.

There are no controversial issues here and there is no need to write many letters, in 1990 there were 137 beds, for 10 thousand people, and today there are about 70, that's all the letters.

Quote: Repellent

I have the impression that under the economic war unleashed by us (!) they will be carefully cleaned. Well, that's how it seems to me

Yeah, they will introduce a planned economy and prohibit private ownership of the means of production, and the banking system will be nationalized.))) It is necessary to be baptized when it seems.

[Repellent]

So. About "such" - I realized, this is from the series "it will not be enough." Well, butt heads with the state, why bother me?

Quote: aleksejkabanets

Saw the justification and praise of the fascist state

And from now on, more. I have sufficient command of thought and word, and I am responsible for both.

You have now accused me of promoting fascism. I'm waiting for proof, or I'll have to name you badly.

Quote: aleksejkabanets

there were 137 beds for 10 thousand people, and today there are about 70

We'll discuss this later...

Quote: aleksejkabanets

You need to be baptized when it seems

So get baptized. I'm waiting for an answer, chelo, otherwise you will be yap, at least.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Repellent

But from now on in more detail. I have sufficient command of thought and word, and I am responsible for both.

This is the third time I'm writing, re-read your comment carefully

Quote: Repellent

Rather yes than no. Both there and there (I'm talking about Italy and Chile) there was a mess, and in the end they brought at least some, but order. G-d give...

Yes, and God forbid.)))) God forbid! I doubt that you are sufficiently proficient in thought and word if you cannot comprehend what you wrote.

[Repellent]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

I doubt that you are sufficiently proficient in thought and word if you cannot comprehend what you wrote

I doubt your ability to comprehend what you read.

Once again - where is my propaganda of fascism? To make it clear?

Quote: aleksejkabanets

I see what this state more and more becomes like Italy, the time of Mussolini, or Chile, the time of Pinochet. Does it make you happy?

Quote: Repellent

Rather yes than no. Both there and there (I'm talking about Italy and Chile) there was a mess, and in the end they brought at least some, but order. G-d give...

Are you against order? Do you go to the bathroom but don't clean up after yourself? So the state will teach you the rules of hygiene

Where is the propaganda of fascism, chelo?

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Repellent

Once again - where is my propaganda of fascism? To make it clear?

You write about propaganda, I wrote

Quote: aleksejkabanets

Is it okay that the justification of fascism is a criminally punishable act?

Quote: aleksejkabanets

Saw the justification and praise of the fascist state

I never wrote the word propaganda
I repeat.

Quote: aleksejkabanets

This is the fourth time I'm writing, re-read your comment carefully

Quote: Repellent
Rather yes than no. Both there and there (I'm talking about Italy and Chile) there was a mess, and in the end they brought at least some, but order. G-d give...


Yes, and God forbid.)))) God forbid! I doubt that you are sufficiently proficient in thought and word if you cannot comprehend what you wrote. If it looks like an excuse for fascism, it carries a semantic load in praising the fascist state
Quote: Adrey
and in the end brought at least some, but order. G-d give...

That is the glorification of the fascist state.

So, if “you didn’t mean to say what you said,” then if you please explain what exactly you wanted to say, exposing the fascist states as an example to follow.

[Repellent]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

if "you didn't mean to say what you said"

I would say - you heard what you wanted

I repeat, I am responsible for my thoughts and words. The heavy legacy of the 90s

Quote: aleksejkabanets

what exactly did you want to say, exposing the fascist states as some kind of role model

By no means a "role model". There was anarchy - and there was order. Only. The same Chile now lives much better than under the Allende socialists. Although, I must admit, they were nice people in their own way. But they did not know how to govern the state. As a result, they were replaced by those who could. Other - relief details.

I sincerely wish that order would also come in my country. Enough amateurs - Gaidarov, Yeltsin and other Rutskoi. We need pros, and they will. Actually, it already is, but you didn't notice it.

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Repellent

We need pros and they will

What kind of pros suddenly appeared out of nowhere in government? This is probably why we can neither build ships nor raise the living standards of the population. And this is for 20 years of the reign of craftsmen.

[Repellent]

Quote: Pilat2009

What kind of pros have suddenly appeared out of nowhere in government?

Can you remind me how many (according to your information) hectares of forest in Siberia Putin leased to the Chinese? If you suddenly forgot, I know those who will remind you of this.

Quote: Pilat2009

That's probably why we can't build any ships

If it's about you, as a social stratum, then everything is not simple, but very simple (c).

You basically can't create anything, because your handlessness and headlessness. Birth trauma, it is not treated

Quote: Pilat2009

And this is for 20 years of the rule of craftsmen

Here you are itching ... go

[Adrey]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

I see that this state is becoming more and more like Italy, the time of Mussolini, or Chile, the time of Pinochet. Does it make you happy?

Rather yes than no. Both there and there (I'm talking about Italy and Chile) there was a mess, and in the end they brought at least some, but order. G-d give...

Think at least sometimes what you write

[Repellent]

Quote: Adrey

Think at least sometimes what you write

I like this "sometimes". Write, by the way, in this case it is written through "e". This is so, by the way.

Don't get under your feet, you don't need it.

[Adrey]

Quote: Repellent

Quote: Adrey

Think at least sometimes what you write

I like this "sometimes". Write, by the way, in this case it is written through "e". This is so, by the way.

Don't get under your feet, you don't need it.

Thanks for the spelling help. The rest I'll sort out myself

[Repellent]

Quote: Adrey

The rest I'll sort out myself

Good luck. If anything - the Ministry of Health warned (c).

[Adrey]

Quote: Repellent

Quote: Adrey

The rest I'll sort out myself

Good luck. If anything - the Ministry of Health warned (c).

Thanks for the guidance. I'm not even 40. I can read between the lines

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Adrey

Think at least sometimes what you write

He thinks.))) Solovyov once praised Pinochet very much. In general, it’s funny that in the country that defeated Nazism-fascism, their own, home-grown fascists were born and are supported by the authorities.))))

[Repellent]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

Quote: Adrey

Think at least sometimes what you write

He thinks.))) Solovyov once praised Pinochet very much. In general, it’s funny that in the country that defeated Nazism-fascism, their own, home-grown fascists were born and are supported by the authorities.))))

Kabanets, who are you talking about "fascists"? Look, I can be offended at a misunderstanding ... and don’t care that you just didn’t have enough brains, the word has already been said, and the village won’t help, well, no way

So I'm listening carefully

PS: The subscriber is not a subscriber ... well, okay, life is long, the ball is round

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Repellent

Kabanets, who are you talking about "fascists"?

To you, dear! And I ask you to notice it is quite reasonable!

Quote: Repellent

Look, I can be offended by a misunderstanding ...

Yes, this is as much as you like.)))) Only your insults will look something like if your neighbor put a bunch under your door, you beat his face, and he was offended by you.

Quote: Repellent

and don’t care that you just didn’t have enough brains, the word has already been said, and the village will not help, well, no way

"Clever", you need to think before you praise the fascist states. To scare me, did you want me? And I live in the village of Psebay, Partizanskaya 10, come, we love fascists.))))

[Repellent]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

To you, dear! And I ask you to notice it is quite reasonable!

I have already asked for justifications, we are waiting, sir ... so far, only chatter a la a boar. It is not interesting.

More details, man! Decided to sleep, so burn to the end

[alekseykabanets]

This is the fourth time I'm writing, re-read your comment carefully

Quote: Repellent

Rather yes than no. Both there and there (I'm talking about Italy and Chile) there was a mess, and in the end they brought at least some, but order. G-d give...

Yes, and God forbid.)))) God forbid! I doubt that you are sufficiently proficient in thought and word if you cannot comprehend what you wrote. If it looks like an excuse for fascism, it carries a semantic load in praising the fascist state

Quote: Adrey

and in the end brought at least some, but order. G-d give...

That is the glorification of the fascist state.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Repellent

But here is the "drip irrigation" ... you are not going to drip water the children, right?

Drip irrigation is a necessity, we have 20 acres of gardens, you can’t water it with a hose.

[Victorio]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

buckwheat has risen in price from 85 rubles. up to 128 rubles.

===
buckwheat jumped under 5 euros in latvia

[Mikhail Sidorov]

Yes, about sugar in general, some kind of wild story 4 days ago cost 52, but waves of panic dispersed prices. My elderly parents, for example, reacted to buying sugar with humor. Older people with blood sugar levels tend to have problems, but here pensioners are sweeping sugar off the shelves what to get drunk sugar in the end and die .. where so much?

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Mikhail Sidorov

Yes, about sugar in general, some kind of wild story 4 days ago cost 52, but waves of panic dispersed prices.

These are not waves of panic, when the dollar jumped in our country, sugar was removed from the shelves and overpriced, and then they began to take it in bags, fearing that it would rise in price. And they weren't wrong.

Quote: Mikhail Sidorov

My elderly parents, for example, reacted to buying sugar with humor. Older people with blood sugar levels usually have problems, but here pensioners sweep sugar off the shelves laughing to get drunk on sugar in the end and die .. where so much?

Well, in our village it’s a completely different story, for me, just to process my apples, half a ton of sugar will go away)))) And also wine, chacha, compotes, etc.

[Repellent]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

Well, in our village it’s a completely different story, for me, just to process my apples, half a ton of sugar will go away)))) And also wine, chacha, compotes, etc.

This, I tell you, scales. But imagine yourself in the place of the Russian McDonald's

Business suddenly stops, 815 eateries are idle, subcontractors howl - there are no purchases, 62000 workers who need to pay wages ...

And it will immediately become clear to you that everything is fine with you personally.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Repellent

This, I tell you, scales. But imagine yourself in the place of the Russian McDonald's

What do I care about an American corporation? Should I empathize with them?

Quote: Repellent

Business suddenly stops, 815 eateries are idle, subcontractors howl - there are no purchases, 62000 workers who need to pay wages ...

It would be better if these 62000 workers worked in mechanical engineering or in the aviation industry than fed all sorts of guan to the people.

Quote: Repellent

And it will immediately become clear to you that everything is fine with you personally.

You see Repellent (R), I was born in the USSR, I was brought up in the USSR and I absorbed the values ​​of the USSR with my mother's milk, and therefore the fact that everything is fine with me alone is not enough for me, apparently this is what we differ.

[Pilat2009]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

It would be better if these 62000 workers in mechanical engineering or in the aviation industry worked

And why do you think that workers are needed there? For example, admission to the plant has been closed for a long time. Closing a business will inevitably affect the number of unemployed and increase tension in society. In addition, these workers paid taxes to the budget and the pension fund

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Pilat2009

And why do you think that workers are needed there? For example, admission to the plant has been closed for a long time.

That's the trouble! When I came from the army, in 1990, in Armavir alone (200 inhabitants), only mechanical engineering enterprises required more than 100 people in my specialty (electrician, instrumentation, electrical mechanics, CNC machine operator) (what I was choosing).

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Ingvar 72

The State Department recommends that US citizens urgently leave Russia.

MOSCOW, March 9 - RIA Novosti. US Ambassador to Russia John Sullivan urged American citizens who are in the country to leave now or think of a plan for how they can do without the help of the embassy, ​​as it may be closed.
"Our recommendation is: leave Russia now. If you are thinking about leaving, if you can leave, leave now. Or if you are not leaving now, make a plan for how you will stay here without help from the embassy, because the Russian government may close the embassy", Sullivan said during a briefing.https://ria.ru/20220309/ssha-1777299356.html They are preparing for Russia to close the US embassy. So the US is going to close ours! Is this a breakup? No On March 5, the Russian Foreign Ministry handed a note of protest to Sullivan over provocative remarks by US Republican Senator Lindsey Graham about Russian President Vladimir Putin. The politician had previously called for the "removal" of the Russian leader.
Sullivan was told that such an attack "is qualified by the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation as an encroachment on the life of a statesman and entails grave consequences." https://yandex.ru/turbo/news.ru/s/world/posol-ssha -v-moskve-prizval-amerikancev-pokinut-rossiyu/ [i] and more [/ i]-------The closure of embassies does not necessarily mean the curtailment of diplomatic activity and the cessation of political dialogue. Diplomats will continue to travel to negotiations, international conferences will continue to discuss acute problems of world development, multilateral organizations will continue to work out compromise resolutions and declarations.

[Adrey]

Yes you are right. The text sounds exactly like this. In the branch a little exaggerated

[Repellent]

Quote: Ingvar 72

The most important is the underestimation of the mood of the local population. Underestimation of the capabilities of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Disgusting planning of rear services and protection of rear columns

The construction battalion "criticizes" the General Staff. No further comment

Quote: Ingvar 72

That is why there are so many vids on the network with abandoned equipment due to lack of fuel

The number of vids and the number of vehicles are two different things. The amount of equipment - yes, it could be less. Although it happened more, in exercises, and not "in real life." I speak from the experience of the 4th Guards Kantemirovskaya, in which I had the honor to serve.

Quote: Ingvar 72

The failure of planning to take Kharkov with a swoop

Nobody planned it. In their right mind and solid memory, "taking" a millionaire "with a swoop" is unrealistic.

Quote: Ingvar 72

You can list for a long time

And network hamsters now chew this gum with pleasure. Bon appetit, my dear

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Ingvar 72

We need to save the country, time is against us.

That is what Russia is doing now.

[isv000]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Now we need to get out of this situation, and quickly. In addition, you need to return 2 years of service, because you can’t teach anything in a year, even in the rear services.

The son came from the service - still a child, for nothing that the sergeant ...
As for the operation - yesterday I listened to Kedmi from Solovyov - he rolled the whole operation to dust, only he didn’t poke his face ... At first he was stunned, then it began to dawn that he was not so wrong ... Military successes again floated on the heroism of the Russian soldier ...

[Pereira]

Not heroism, but the calculation of an uprising in the rear of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
Tukhachevsky in Poland expected the same, for which he paid the price.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Pereira

Tukhachevsky in Poland expected the same, for which he paid the price.

What Academy did you graduate from, "dearest"? Do you think it's time to wind down the operation in Ukraine?

[Sadam]

You can’t turn back, and it’s even worse to continue. Sanctions will not be lifted. So at least exterminate the population and increase the territory ... it’s better not to think about tomorrow. If Russia is crossed out everywhere, you can bang

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Sadam

If Russia is crossed out everywhere, you can bang

The darkest one said just that: "If there is no place for Russia in this world, then why do we need this world then?" pick up ... who then, fighting with meter-long rats in the garbage heaps for leftovers, will remember the "institutions of democracy", I will say one thing, the liberoids will fall first ....

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Lara Croft

Quote: Sadam

If Russia is crossed out everywhere, you can bang

The darkest one said just that: "If there is no place for Russia in this world, then why do we need this world then?" pick up ... who then, fighting with meter-long rats in the garbage heaps for leftovers, will remember the "institutions of democracy", I will say one thing, the liberoids will fall first ....

Both of you are sick

[Third district]

So after all, yesterday, March 8, there was no Solovyov transfer. Maybe some other day they looked. It’s just interesting for me to find this program with Kedmi’s performance that you talk about on YouTube.

[isv000]

Quote: Third District

So after all, yesterday, March 8, there was no Solovyov transfer. Maybe some other day they looked. It’s just interesting for me to find this program with Kedmi’s performance that you talk about on YouTube.

Not interesting to find and too lazy to look for!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lEpflXIUo8

[Xnumx vis]

I also listened to Kedmi's "spacing", and then read the analytics from our military ... It tells in detail why we can't get into the cities with a cavalry attack, what will happen next. I can not find !!! I read yesterday.. The meaning of the article. the Syrian experience of taking cities will be used. Without unnecessary losses, according to the plan. Cleanup in the future will be carried out by special units such as the military police.

[Third district]

Quote: 30 vis

In the future, the cleanup will be carried out by special units such as the military police.

Even in the first days of the operation, they said that units from Chechnya would carry out the cleansing. I wonder how many fighters are needed to carry out a sweep in such large cities as Kharkov and Kyiv.

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Third District

I wonder how many fighters are needed to carry out a sweep in such large cities as Kharkov and Kyiv.

I do not know . I know that they will have enough volunteer assistants.

[ZeeD]

About Kedmi and Solovyov about the war ... These are not the "authorities" who are worth listening to about military operations. Solovyov does not understand anything at all, and Kedmi served under the king of peas.

[isv000]

Quote: ZeeD

About Kedmi and Solovyov about the war ... These are not the "authorities" who are worth listening to about military operations. Solovyov does not understand anything at all, and Kedmi served under the king of peas.

Refute every word they say?

[ZeeD]

Being a non-specialist in the matter, I see no reason to refute the words of the same non-specialists in a matter in which neither I nor they are properly versed in order to make some kind of authoritative analysis.

[Repellent]

Quote: isv000

Refute every word they say?

Well, you went straight from the trump cards ... why "each"? Why refute anything from them at all? Those are dilettantes...

[flicker]

listened to Kedmi from Solovyov - he rolled the whole operation to dust, only he didn’t poke his muzzle

Kedmi said a lot of things, he says. Kedmi is a patriot of Israel and everything he says is somehow connected with the interests of Israel. And Israel is an ally of the United States.
Kedmi is dissatisfied with the way the special operation is going, which means that the United States is not happy with the way the operation is going.
The idea and hope of the United States is that Russia's special military operation on the territory of Ukraine will cause massive popular discontent in Russia and serve as a detonation of the collapse of Russia.
And mass discontent should cause reports of losses. But they are not in the quantities that they would like, so they call for accelerating the capture of large cities.
By the way, the topic of conscripts (which are "a few facts") also seems to want to be used as dissatisfaction. After all, a trifle, but how much attention is paid to it.
---
And to listen to Kedmi follow through the prism of the fact that he is a patriot of Israel. What is good for Israel is not necessarily good for Russia.

[Sadam]

A month ago he promised that he would not invade. A week ago he promised that without conscripts ... With each such promise, his authority is melting

[flicker]

A month ago he promised that he would not invade

Who promised?

[Repellent]

Quote: flicker

A month ago he promised that he would not invade

Who promised?

Have you decided to argue with the troll? What can I say ... also entertainment

[El Chuvachino]

No, it's a serious question. I remember that funny moment very well, where Lavrov, smiling, tells the journalist that "no, we are not going to." The situation is not very good at the level of "we are not in Crimea" -> "of course we were in Crimea"

[Repellent]

Quote: El Chuvachino

No, it's a serious question.

If about the original message, then this is blatant trolling:

Quote: Sadam

A month ago he promised that he would not invade. A week ago he promised that without conscripts ... With each such promise, his authority is melting

Classic

Quote: El Chuvachino

I remember that funny moment very well, where Lavrov, smiling, tells the journalist that "no, we are not going to." The situation is not very good at the level of "we are not in Crimea" -> "of course we were in Crimea"

I don't understand, what are you talking about now? If about conscripts, for example, everything is clear to me. A purely technical flight of someone, a question of the level of this "someone". Or about something else?

[El Chuvachino]

No, I'm not talking about conscripts, but about our very operation in Ukraine.

For months, after all, there was information pumping that Russia was about to attack, and our officials, including Lavrov, responded every time, saying, no, we are not going to attack and do not plan anything.

[Repellent]

Quote: El Chuvachino

officials, including Lavrov, responded every time, saying no, we are not going to attack

Were there other behaviors/responses? I do not know such.

[Alex777]

Quote: El Chuvachino

For months, after all, there was information pumping that Russia was about to attack, and our officials, including Lavrov, responded every time, saying, no, we are not going to attack and do not plan anything.

So they didn't attack. We are ending the war.
Which no one has told us yet. It's a pity.

[flicker]

I remember well this funny moment, where Lavrov, smiling, tells the journalist that "no, we are not going to"

So they didn't intend to. The problem was not in us, but in the actions of Ukraine. Back in 2018 she was warned

I hope things don't come to such provocations.. If that happens, this will have very serious consequences for the Ukrainian statehood as a whole. I hope that nothing like this will happen,” Putin said.

[Hey]

Kedmi at Solovyov's - he rolled the whole operation into dust, only he didn’t poke his muzzle ...

The Armed Forces of Ukraine just wanted us to go to the cities with our breasts on their machine guns. It's just a young bull from the mountain, in that joke, in a hurry, and we, like an old bull, will slowly go down and fuck their filthy Nazi herd. The main thing is that politicians do not interfere.

[konstantin68]

Quote: isv000

As for the operation - yesterday I listened to Kedmi at Solovyov's - he rolled out the whole operation

First. Where does Kedmi live? In which country? Faithful satellite of the USA.
Second: Think for yourself, why do you need, for example, Kharkov? What does it give on a strategic scale? Raisins are even more important.
Third: You need to understand that time is now playing for Russia, no matter what anyone says. Do not rush the military and they will do their job. Especially with complete air supremacy.
Fourth: all of us, sofas, are deprived of a complete picture of the operation, its plan. But it’s not in vain that they say that half of the work is not shown to a fool.
Fifth: certain "beacons" allow us to say with confidence that the operation in Ukraine will not be "merged", which means that the goals will be achieved.
There are many more points, but too lazy to write many letters Those who know will understand.
Remember, YouTube is a weapon worse than the Javelin.

[Blade3]

Where are you getting the bullshit?

[vitvit123]

And where did I say that you need to remain silent? Please...
I said that this is a holiday for you ...
Why introduce martial law?
Do you know the planning of the operation and therefore speak of failures?
Why return two years of service? You will be among the first to pour dirt for this!
And from what situation it is necessary to get out? So there are still a lot of reserves, I know that for sure! Unlike you!
Well, the last thing I’ll note is that at one time you admitted that you were an ardent anti-putter, so I don’t see the point in having a dialogue with you ..

[Lara Croft]

Quote: vitvit123

Well, the last thing I will note, in due time you admitted that you are an ardent anti-putter , so I don’t see the point in having a dialogue with you ..

Who are you talking to....?
Remember how many bots there were in VO during the Kazakh events, and why there are so few coming-out bots now, but because there are enough of their liberoids and other gopniks who hate the current "bloody Putin's regime" until the Internet is cut down in the Russian Federation, let it be better here they click their teeth, otherwise they will go out into the street, useful fools will come in handy with any occupier ...

[Misha Honest]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Do you need to keep silent and hide your eyes shamefacedly?

And what are we doing now? BUT?

Quote: Ingvar 72

There are many failures purely in the planning of the operation. That's what happens when the faithful, not the smart, are put in positions.

Think for a second - puts WHO?

Quote: Ingvar 72

Now we need to get out of this situation, and quickly. In addition, you need to return 2 years of service, because you can’t teach anything in a year, even in the rear services.

It's useless - people will run away ...

Quote: Ingvar 72

And it's time to admit that there is a war going on and introduce martial law.

So it was clear to everyone from the very beginning ...

[Misha Honest]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Now we need to get out of this situation, and quickly. In addition, you need to return 2 years of service, because you can’t teach anything in a year, even in the rear services.
And it's time to admit that there is a war going on and introduce martial law.

You and I understand this, but not Putin (

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Misha Honest

You and I understand this, but not Putin

You can't get out of this situation quickly. This "special operation" is the result of the "wise" foreign policy of "our brilliant strategist", the result of the fact that in 2014 the authorities of the Russian Federation were afraid of the people's movement of Donbass, the people's field commanders of Donbass died in a strange way. All this should have been done in 2014, then there would be no such resistance. And now, since we started this madness, we must go to the end. If now they conclude a shameful peace, such as the Minsk agreements, then it will end very badly for the Russian Federation.

[Misha Honest]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

All this should have been done in 2014.

I have been talking about this since 2005, when Yushchenko was still in power...

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Ingvar 72

There are many failures purely in the planning of the operation. That's what happens when the faithful, not the smart, are put in positions.

One feels resentment in your letter, a whole "general of the army" and not aisles, ask to go to the front, I think they will give you OA and VO to command ....

Now we need to get out of this situation, and quickly.

You can feel the letters of a military analyst in your letters ....

In addition, you need to return 2 years of service, because you can’t teach anything in a year, even in the rear services.

I repeat, you clearly stand out with your mind and insight among other good and evil members of the forum ....

And it's time to admit there's a war on

When they announced, I just came home from work, maybe I missed something?

impose martial law

Well, you understand OA / TA or VO lead, but we are all where, our goals are mundane, to earn and spend ... problems may arise with the latter, so we kind and gullible members of the forum do not need either war or martial law in the Russian Federation please forgive us...

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Lara Croft

ask to the front, I think they will give you OA and VO to command ....

I'm sorry to intrude, but please have pity on that very front!!! As the Orthodox say, holy, holy, holy, do not bring ...

[Evil543]

And how do most contract soldiers differ in the video about the prisoners? The same 19-20 year old guys. For 8 years, the Armed Forces of Ukraine have been testing their counter-members and the national battalions in the Donbass + have been constantly trained by NATO members. 8 years...

[Victorio]

Quote: Evil543

And than on the video about the prisoners

===
I would also like to know how many real prisoners are on the video. Dozens are posted on YouTube a day, also the so-called reposts under other headings and in different languages. the factory is running. I would like to hope that the specialists of the Ministry of Defense carefully check each video

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Evil543

For 8 years, the Armed Forces of Ukraine have been running in their counters and national battalions in the Donbass

And we reported that the polar army passed through Syria

[Repellent]

Quote: Pilat2009

Quote: Evil543

For 8 years, the Armed Forces of Ukraine have been running in their counters and national battalions in the Donbass

And we reported that the polar army passed through Syria

1. I would take the liberty of recommending to your family to keep your delicate hands (and other body parts) as far away from the Army as possible. And in no case touch it with any part of the body, especially language.
2. Syria is a children's sandbox compared to what is happening now in the territory of 404. If you don’t understand this either, then ... however, see paragraph 1. Enough for the first time

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Repellent

Quote: Pilat2009

Quote: Evil543

For 8 years, the Armed Forces of Ukraine have been running in their counters and national battalions in the Donbass

And we reported that the polar army passed through Syria

1. I would take the liberty of recommending to your family to keep your delicate hands (and other body parts) as far away from the Army as possible. And in no case touch it with any part of the body, especially language.
2. Syria is a children's sandbox compared to what is happening now in the territory of 404. If you don’t understand this either, then ... however, see paragraph 1. Enough for the first time

I see you consider yourself very smart. Put your pens somewhere away from the keyboard. Who are you to recommend something to someone? Recommend to your wife

[Repellent]

Quote: Pilat2009

Who are you to recommend something to someone?

I am actually me. You asked the question incorrectly, I can not answer anything else yet

Quote: Pilat2009

Recommend to your wife

Being rude is bad for karma (c)

Quote: Pilat2009

we reported that the polar army passed through Syria

This is a LIE, give a link to where "reported about the polar army"

Quote: Repellent

2. Syria is a children's sandbox compared to what is happening now in the territory of 404

But this is the truth. You can - refute, no ... well, so I already wrote about your language above.

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Repellent

Being rude is bad for karma (c)

Say thanks to the moderator, complainer. He loves you offended

[Repellent]

Quote: Pilat2009

Quote: Repellent

Being rude is bad for karma (c)

Say thanks to the moderator, complainer

Oh, the uncle-moderator offended the child, demolished the diabetic (from the word "reproach". Physiology has nothing to do with it) comment

Quote: Pilat2009

He loves you offended

No, my aunt loves us, she recently wrote out a yellow card for two (only two, Karl !!!) letters ... she says - mat

And they carry water on the offended. It's definitely not about me.

[Evil543]

The key was reported

[NIKN]

According to Konashenkov, all measures are being taken to release the Russian servicemen.

God give it.

[Vladislav_2]

many simply wrote that they raised the alarm and announced exercises! .... and brought them to where they should not have been ... on the battlefield! I imagine the eyes of the boys who are given the task of capturing the height and or the village

[flicker]

I represent the eyes of the boys

Didn't you look in the mirror?
Well, actually, conscripts fought in Afghanistan.

boys who are given the task of capturing the height and or the village

The task is not given to the boys, the task is assigned to the commander (if anything, an officer, in the sense of a professional military man) of some kind of unit.

[private person]

I represent the eyes of the boys
Didn't you look in the mirror?
Well, actually, conscripts fought in Afghanistan.

So it is, of course, Chechnya is also watered with the blood of conscripts. It's just that conscripts are different for conscripts. For example, conscripts of the 90s will give odds to the current victims of computer shooters.

[Evil543]

Mv in the 90s were meaner and we did not have a boarding house with daytime sleep and other goodies. At a friend’s son, he served up to the end of his service, he held a machine gun in his hands twice during his service, only bushes are leveled at the training grounds, but they are already being offered for a contract. And what will he gain then?

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: flicker

Well, actually, conscripts fought in Afghanistan.

Half a year before the demobilization, we had conscript sergeants for a year and a half of service, the best in the service were selected for the "border with China," I was demobilized, came home and Afghanistan began. that is, those who were selected, got there.

[Jager]

They framed not only the guys, but also Himself, who broadcast to the whole country, congratulating the 23rd that "we have only contract soldiers."
Yes, and the planes suddenly appeared, "Points-U" and so on in the Armed Forces of Ukraine, although Comrade Konashenkov stated that everything was rolled out to the foundation.
By the way, Shoigu is nowhere to be heard or seen. He disappeared from the screen altogether.

[voyaka uh]

"By the way, Shoigu is nowhere to be heard or seen" ///
----
Many have noticed this.

[flicker]

They framed not only the guys, but also Himself, who broadcast to the whole country, congratulating the 23rd that "we have only contract soldiers."

Only contract soldiers fight, isn't it?
We carefully read what Konashenkov said.

Igor Konashenkov said that they had discovered several facts of the presence of conscripts in units and subunits of the Russian Armed Forces participating in a special operation. According to him, conscripts participated in the delivery of supplies to the advanced units. At present, Konashenkov stressed, all conscripts have been returned to Russian territory.

Now once more,several facts of the presence of conscripts" And" participated in the delivery of supplies"
And in conclusion: all conscripts were returned to the territory of Russia
Once again: "a few facts", "participated in the supply", "everyone was returned to Russia".

[Sanguinius]

This Konashenkov, after the first day of the operation, summing up the results, stated that there were no losses in equipment and personnel. Although already half a day on the internet there were vidos with downed turntables (Ka-52 and an airplane.
So everything he said can be divided by half. As usual, only a partial truth is being told.

[flicker]

vidos have been flying on the internet for half a day

In the internet, everything just doesn’t “fly”.

[Sanguinius]

Oh well, just let's do without it. Was there a video of a Ka-52 that landed on a field near Kiev on the very first day of the operation? It was! How much can you dodge, and not understand the obvious? In this case, the Ministry of Defense will not publish that information that can harm the image of the country as a whole. It was always and everywhere in all countries and in all wars, and we are no exception. Our Defense Ministry has exactly the same reasons not to tell the whole truth, like the Ukrainians, about the same losses.
Already the fact that only now the Ministry of Defense decided to nevertheless make a statement about the conscripts is suspicious.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: flicker

Only contract soldiers fight, isn't it?
We carefully read what Konashenkov said.

In the case of encirclement, everyone fights. Crippled, crippled, convoy, comatose ...

[flicker]

In the case of encirclement, everyone fights. Crippled, crippled, convoy, comatose ...

Well, yes, I’ll add that in a similar situation, civilians can fight if they get weapons. But.
But, how could the soldiers accompanying the columns to Afghanistan say that they fought in Afghanistan. My brother accompanied me and he did not have a certificate of an internationalist warrior, although he got into a shootout.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: flicker

But, how could the soldiers accompanying the columns to Afghanistan say that they fought in Afghanistan.

Here we are talking about prisoners, and somehow I can hardly imagine that the ukrovermacht ran to the territory of Russia, gouged a company of mighty monkeys carrying tinder or cartridges to the front, and took them to their controlled territory.

[Jager]

These are all post-facto excuses.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Jager

Shoigu is nowhere to be heard or seen. He disappeared from the screen altogether.

And he is not a buzova, to be constantly glowing there, yeah. In fact, he's got a lot of work going on right now. These are local starballers who practice here from morning to night, regardless of work.

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Jager

They framed not only the guys, but Himself,

So there were not enough drivers! And the authorities ordered! It has always been in service. Excessive zeal and laziness ..

[CYM]

They framed not only the guys, but also Himself ... Shoigu is nowhere to be heard or seen.

IMHO It looks like it was intended, the operation "successor" is moving into a new phase. A strong move, to compromise both Himself and the main successor at once. Why can't you hear. Who said that you have to give up songs in the war? https://ura.news/news/1052537265

[ZeeD]

Perhaps Shoigu, as a wise man, went into the shadows for the duration of the military operation, so that those who understand this more than him would speak out and steer the process.

[Pilat2009]

Quote: ZeeD

so that those who understand this more than him speak out and steer the process

Or then he will announce that he is out of business

[victor50]

An offer to keep quiet? Or is it for MO?

Quote: Flood

The Criminal Code of the Russian Federation is supplemented by Article 207.3 "Public dissemination of knowingly false information about the use of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation."

It provides for imprisonment for up to 3 years or a fine of up to 1,5 million rubles. Violation using official position, for mercenary motives, motivated by hatred or enmity, will be punished by up to 10 years in prison or a fine of up to 5 million rubles. If false information led to serious consequences, then the maximum punishment will be 15 years in prison.

An offer to keep quiet? Or is it for MO?

[Flooding]

Quote: victor50

An offer to keep quiet? Or is it for MO?

a proposal not to disseminate information, the authenticity of which you are not sure
otherwise, write "I read this and that" and apply proof

[victor50]

If you gave the correct wording of the article, then officials of the Moscow Region formally fall under it (in this situation).

[Flooding]

Quote: victor50

If you gave the correct wording of the article, then officials of the Moscow Region formally fall under it (in this situation).

of course
everyone who "publicly disseminates knowingly false information about the use of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation"

[victor50]

Quote: Flood

of course

I looked at UC. I think it is difficult, almost impossible, to prove that those who spread false information KNOW that it was false. Excuses already here in the comments are full. In 99, the brigade commander in the story publicly broadcasts that he has no soldiers who have served less than a year. The plot continues. And there is my good friend, who served 8,5 months. I suppose those who broadcast also knew, they should have known, they are obliged to double-check, since such information is given to the president ... But ... Others will be punished.

[Revival]

And who will prove it?
Why would anyone need to prove it?

[isv000]

Quote: Vladislav_2

many simply wrote that they raised the alarm and announced exercises! .... and brought them to where they should not have been ... on the battlefield! I imagine the eyes of the boys who are given the task of capturing the height and or the village

You did not confuse the events with the First Chechen War?

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Vladislav_2

raised the alarm and announced the teachings!

This is generally the height of Jesuitism. A person should have an idea of ​​​​what to do and be morally prepared. Moreover, it should be brought to the personnel that we are entering the territory of a hostile state and not to breed any syusey puss. Otherwise, the special forces asked the locals for water. And if she was poisoned?

[jovanni]

Quote: Alien From

Here's how it doesn't look good...

It doesn't just look ugly. It is unlikely that Putin would lie to the people. Does this mean that the Supreme Commander-in-Chief does not have information, or is it distorted for him? And if, firstly, a direct order not to use conscripts is not carried out, and secondly, the information given to the Supreme is false, it smells very disgusting. A good commander-in-chief who does not know the real picture! The strongest blow to the credibility of official information. And sorry for the boys. Again, they say they are taking all measures to release ... And in what form will they be released, if released? And why weren't measures taken to prevent such a situation? In short, there are more questions than answers...

[Garris199]

It is unlikely that Putin would lie to the people.

He has such a job

[Comrade I]

It is unlikely that Putin would lie to the people.

Well, that's a pretty optimistic assumption, of course.

[Graz]

the failure, as for me, is precisely in obtaining information in real time, including by moving columns, there are not enough drones hanging in front of the movement of the columns to quickly detect the organization of an ambush, this is a complete failure in my opinion

[isv000]

Quote: Jovanni

It doesn't just look ugly. It is unlikely that Putin would lie to the people. Does this mean that the Supreme Commander-in-Chief does not have information, or is it distorted for him? And if, firstly, a direct order not to use conscripts is not carried out, and secondly, the information given to the Supreme is false, it smells very disgusting.

There is a Decree of the President of the Russian Federation of 2013 that only contract soldiers participate in combat, but there may be conscripts in the state of the unit, and, indeed, if the DRG gets into the tents of the conscripts, they will take them like a carouse. Hence the captured tankers-radio operators-specialists ... And the culprits here are known to everyone - the very oaks from which our defense is stronger ... And the boys - the boys are sorry, I met my friend in December from the service: a boy, for nothing that a sergeant ...

[Lannan Shi]

Quote: Jovanni

It is unlikely that Putin would lie to the people.

Well, actually, this is exactly what he has been doing for the 23rd year in a row.

Quote: Jovanni

The strongest blow to the credibility of official information.

I sincerely envy your optimism. It is truly immeasurable, if that very trust is still preserved.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Lannan Shi

Well, actually, this is exactly what he has been doing for the 23rd year in a row.

What are you talking about, but you won’t immediately say what a cunning person ....
That’s what I think, but “you’re right”, as it was in the 90s you can’t return, the “golden years of Russia”, people were happy, they even didn’t need a salary and a pension ...
Oh, it’s a pity Tsar Boris was no longer young, but what was the potential for development with him .... many local gnats would gladly return to that golden time .... and after all, notice what kind of external we had in the 90s there was politics, under Kozyrev and "Tsar-Boris" not a single sanction was imposed on the Russian Federation ... and why many forum users scold the Yeltsin Center, apparently evil forum users, and most importantly ungrateful ....
Well, I think you Lannan Shi should not worry, there are many liberal leaders on the bench, or maybe like him ... lead the movement for the prosperity of the Russian Federation yourself or you are not local, but this is not an obstacle, RI, the USSR who just did not lead .... many members of the forum believe in you, at least 17 pcs.

[Lannan Shi]

Quote: Lara Croft

and why many forum users scold the Yeltsin Center, apparently evil forum users, and most importantly ungrateful ....

They are the fifth column. Definitely. Throw a link to the video, how the guarantor crucifies about greatness, wisdom, courage and other wonderful qualities of wrestling? So... Or you are with Putin, and then pray for Yeltsin. like an icon, or you don't like Yeltsin. But then there are questions to the guarantor.

Quote: Lara Croft

many members of the forum believe in you, at least 17 pieces.

No. It’s just that they were frankly disgusted by the guarantor’s speeches that did not carry a semantic load.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Lannan Shi

It’s just that they were frankly disgusted with the speeches of the guarantor that did not carry a semantic load.

And when was it different in Russia? "There is no middle ground in Russia, either give a pen or in the snout" - Saltykov-Shchedrin ... (c)

you are with Putin, and then pray for Yeltsin. like an icon, or you don't like Yeltsin. But then there are questions to the guarantor.

You are a strange eccentric .... in the present situation, I can only have questions for the empirialists, and they will definitely answer these questions with or without you, etc. 18 pcs.

[Lannan Shi]

Quote: Lara Croft

in the present situation, I can only have questions for the empirialists

Those. to the guarantor and his entourage? Or do you just not know the definitions of imperialism, and do not understand what you are talking about?
Laponka, the problem is that the bulk of the formulations of imperialism are suitable for the Russian Federation, as written specially for them.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Lannan Shi

don't understand what you're talking about?

I understand who my enemy is, you have 18 more. supporting you, he is different ...

Sweetie, problem

What a problem, if you are a friend of my enemy .... and we are with you and your 18 pcs. comrades-in-arms on opposite sides of the trenches ... you have a head start, the whole world of liberoids ....

[Lannan Shi]

Quote: Lara Croft

I understand who my enemy is

Common sense, memory, logic, ability to think?

Quote: Lara Croft

you and 18 more pcs. supporting you, he is different ...

Well, yes, I am friends with common sense.

Quote: Lara Croft

you have a head start, the whole world of liberoids ....

Well, if the globe does not suit you, because it is not invested in your value system, you can look for another planet to live in.
Excuse me, that's all. For discussing with individuals whom the whole world does not suit ....
PS
And yes, and one more moment. Understand. what is liberalism. And you know ... More liberoid than modern Russia, on planet Earth, you still need to look for someone. And this is certainly not the Americans and not Europe. Maybe you will find competitors in wild Africa, in liberoidism. But this is not a fact.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Lannan Shi

For discussing with individuals whom the whole world does not suit ....

You gave Eco, when did the whole world become liberoids? Try telling your neighbor that he, too, is a liberal like you...
Good night, see you in Hell....

[Repellent]

Quote: Lannan Shi

Throw a link to the video, how the guarantor crucifies about greatness, wisdom, courage and other wonderful qualities of wrestling? So... Or you are with Putin, and then pray for Yeltsin. like an icon

Girl, are you really alternatively gifted, or is this such subtle trolling?

While one question, there will be more, after a clear answer

[Lannan Shi]

Enjoy.

[Repellent]

That is still trolling. I knew.

Politics is the art of washing clean with very dirty water

Where from?

This is not a dance yet, this is an invitation to dance

[Lannan Shi]

Quote: Repellent

That is still trolling.

A person who praises a scoundrel and a bastard, even posthumously, is exactly the same himself. Do not agree? Well, sing a certain Schicklgruber. The harm to Russia, that Borka and Adik, was inflicted approximately equally. And to sing of any of them.... I have epithets, but they are strictly obscene. That's all. For Yeltsin's chanters are in the same category with the defenders of the SS parades.

[Repellent]

Quote: Lannan Shi

A person who praises a scoundrel and a bastard, even posthumously, is exactly the same himself. Do not agree?

You are too direct. However, the housewife is forgivable.

Quote: Lannan Shi

The harm to Russia, that Borka, that Adik, was inflicted approximately equally

A controversial statement ... but - see above. Kinder, Kuche, Kirche

Quote: Lannan Shi

That's all

Drain? And it started so well

OK. When you feel in shape (and you feel some potential ... a fighter ), come in. I'm looking forward to it.

[Lannan Shi]

Quote: Repellent

You are too direct.

You wanted to say, not false enough to feel the kinship of souls with the guarantor?

Quote: Repellent

but - see above. Kinder, Kuche, Kirche

Kinder, Kuche, Dresses, Kirche. However... Not to say that I'm surprised. Fragmentation of knowledge is the same necessary feature of a true Putinist as the desire to lie even in a quote. And what exactly did you want to show, with this mutilated quote, that very fragmentation or another option, it’s lazy to guess.

Quote: Repellent

and you feel a certain potential ... a fighter

Sorry. Kicking someone who is not able to reproduce the most primitive quote ... It will be the same fight as a hamster attacking an asphalt paver. You order. At least learn how to use the search, then call for a fight.

[Repellent]

Quote: Lannan Shi

Sorry. Kicking someone who is not capable of reproducing the most primitive quote ... It will be the same fight as a hamster attacking an asphalt paver.

Your favorite position is on top, I understand. But for some reason you did not specify which of the two of us you see in the role of an asphalt paver.

So, I give an introduction:

- I don't like Putin at all, I like girls more
- I do not like it when the dollar and buckwheat suddenly rise in price
- I do not like war very much, because I saw it up close.

And in this, I hope, we have no disagreements.

Quote: Lannan Shi

At least learn how to use the search, then call for a fight

No fight. I said dance. Only dance. I do not offend children and women, you yourself declared yourself a woman here - so be patient

So, ma'am, you've been invited to a dance. Your decision?

[cormorant]

As far as I'm concerned, it's quite the opposite. There are different cases. Tens and hundreds of thousands of servicemen are involved. Someone did not follow the instructions, well, that means they will be punished. What is not beautiful here, they say, they are from the rear service units.

[Alien From]

After all, they clearly told us: there are NO conscripts !!!!!!!

[lelik613]

Until the wise men are leaned against the wall by the tribunal, there will be no sense.

[usr01]

Here .. a small lie causes a big distrust ...
In vain they sent these boys ... in principle, it does not solve anything, but only a reason to cheat ... in vain ..

[isv000]

Quote: Alien From

Here's how it doesn't look good...

I heard Konashenkov - I didn’t believe my ears - it’s necessary to substitute the Supreme like that! I myself tore my T-shirt that our conscripts do not fight, I refuted fakes. Now they ask - well, what?! ....

[flicker]

that our conscripts do not fight

And they don't fight.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: flicker

And they don't fight.

"Do you see the gopher?
- No.
"And I can't see it, but it's there."

However, it's not funny. Youth is sorry.

[flicker]

"Do you see the gopher?
- No.
"Because it's not there."
---
Well, would you send conscripts there?
I think no. And not only because "young people are sorry", everyone is sorry.
But no because they are not experts.
Therefore, Konashenkov said "several facts" "provided supply."
Those. the only place where the special abilities of a conscript fit is perhaps a truck driver. And some battalion commander who did not have a contract soldier could attract them.
Once again, let's pay attention: "a few facts."
But "conscripts" (plural) creates the impression of mass character.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: flicker

And they don't fight.

Judging by the reaction to your comment, Nikolai, the local "housewives", as they should, "know everything better than anyone." Bottom line: the second mass hysteria in an hour on one resource.
And like adults...

[flicker]

Moreover, the wave was driven strong enough, such that

Russian President Vladimir Putin instructed the Chief Military Prosecutor's Office to find out how conscripts ended up in the special operation zone

IA Red Spring
Read the full article here:
https://rossaprimavera.ru/news/f3d81524

[polar fox]

Quote: Alien From

Here's how it doesn't look good...

it looks normal ... my small conscript also asked for it himself with contractors ... he came home, the soldier is clean ... now the second contract is hammering ... and the VP will figure it out, they will find switchmen.

[Cat Kuzya]

Guys, why are you arguing here, and most importantly with whom? With those who are on the "government salary" or "service pension"? Come on, they will never understand the interests of people who earn their living by their work and feed their families, in the free labor market, where they were thrown out and milked with taxes and requisitions. They know that right now they will receive their salary with benefits in any way, and on the rest (one of them didn’t even hesitate to write here) .... well, you understand. So not only that, they also covered themselves with "15 years", so that God forbid they would not be touched.

[Cananecat]

Urrroody... there are no more words.

[lwxx]

Hmm ... They stepped into the liquid. Lavrov's words, direct sabotage. Again we begin to lose the information war. Well, what a holiday on the other side.

[Korax71]

And here is the information war and the holiday on the other side. The question is that we are stepping back on the same rake, which we have already walked more than once. You probably remember how in the 90s people were gathered for conscription in the military registration and enlistment offices?

[lwxx]

So we shouted from all the irons, captured conscripts - FEYYYK. And it turns out that they are right. And our naked propaganda is being driven. But about the military registration and enlistment offices, you are wrong.

[Force]

Have they arrived? .... yes, rather, they “got rid of it”.
This has never happened before, and here it is again….

[Cananecat]

Now correlating some facts, we can assume that the cover of the columns began from that very moment, and the fact that this particular column was chosen suggests that information was leaked ... well, counterintelligence will figure it out.

[MrFYGY]

What do we not know yet?

[Murmur 55]

MRFYGY, In the light of the latest news, I think that there are still quite a few such small contracts.

[Gvardeetz77]

Quote: MrFYGY

What do we not know yet?

About many things, but to speak of nizya, first here the cheers-sofas will be pecked and a fine will be rolled in a little, but they will be presented to those who are especially slow-witted and a few years away from home.

[Garris199]

What do we not know yet?

A lot, I'm afraid. For that, we know for sure about rampant corruption, theft and mutual responsibility in all echelons of power. MO think this is no exception.

[Vladislav_2]

bring to justice (before criminal prosecution) those who sent them there ... THIS should not have been .... from the word AT ALL !!! how it was possible to send boys 18-20 years old, who saw AK in the eye only at the call! ....

[NIKN]

Quote: Vladislav_2

bring to justice (before criminal prosecution) those who sent them there

It's easy, they will find who they need and punish them any way they like. The boys must be pulled out at any cost!!!

[bk316]

It's easy, they will find who they need and punish them any way they like. The boys must be pulled out at any cost!!!

It does not interfere.
But the fact remains that the order was violated, not to mention the broken rear columns. The head of the rear service is an integral general of the army. We should take a closer look.

[Adrey]

Quote: Vladislav_2

bring to justice (before criminal prosecution) those who sent them there ... THIS should not have been .... from the word AT ALL !!! how it was possible to send boys 18-20 years old, who saw AK in the eye only at the call! ....

Choose expressions

[Adrey]

Quote: Adrey

Quote: Vladislav_2

bring to justice (before criminal prosecution) those who sent them there ... THIS should not have been .... from the word AT ALL !!! how it was possible to send boys 18-20 years old, who saw AK in the eye only at the call! ....

Choose expressions

I will chew for those who do not understand.
Captain, commanders, violated?
Underground, battalion commander, looked through?
Or...
No, those people are definitely not to blame!

[Adrey]

Quote: Adrey

Quote: Adrey

Quote: Vladislav_2

bring to justice (before criminal prosecution) those who sent them there ... THIS should not have been .... from the word AT ALL !!! how it was possible to send boys 18-20 years old, who saw AK in the eye only at the call! ....

Choose expressions

I will chew for those who do not understand.
Captain, commanders, violated?
Underground, battalion commander, looked through?
Or...
No, those people are definitely not to blame!

There are few cons

[bk316]

which AK was seen in the eyes only on the call! ....

I do not think. Before KMB or training, they were not even sent to Afghanistan. If so, then the fathers of the commanders should not only be deprived of shoulder straps, but planted.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: Vladislav_2

how it was possible to send boys 18-20 years old, who saw AK in the eye only at the call! ....

AK is not enough to see, it must be owned.
And yourself too.
It is not so easy to shoot a "live target".

[Repellent]

Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke

AK is not enough to see, they must be owned

Do you remember your machine number?

Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke

And myself too

It's from WorldOftanx...

Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke

It's not so easy to shoot at a "live target"

Schoolboy, hike ... go teach lessons, mom will scold

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Feeding trolls, even my grandchildren are not in the habit.
Do not litter, plz, Forum.

[Repellent]

Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke

Don't litter, plz, forum

Mutually. Your thoughts are already stuffy here, nebrother.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Repellent

Do you remember your machine number?

And you are an evil forum member, for example, I don’t remember all 7 digits on my AK-74, but I remember the number of my own SVD well, one letter three digits, and in 20 years I’ll forget them ...

[Lara Croft]

Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke

It is not so easy to shoot a "live target".

"Comrade" "p-k" start with the motor skills of the hands, and he will never get to the "Ukrainian front" like that, vegetate here with us in the VO .... and at least you will receive the order of the "stooped" for collecting cartridge cases ... .

[Repellent]

Quote: Lara Croft

"Comrade" "p-k"

Leave the schoolboy alone

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: Lara Croft

Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke
It is not so easy to shoot a "live target".

"Comrade" "p-k" start with the motor skills of the hands, and he will never get to the "Ukrainian front" like that,

Sorry, you misunderstood.
It is not the motor skills of the hands that are difficult, but the motor skills of the brain and soul, if they exist and have not yet become stale. Or rather, grown up.
For "seals" during the Vietnam campaign, it was considered normal that in order to master the use of weapons, a warrior should fire 2000 - 3000 shots.
During our service (in ancient peacetime) only a small part of this was given to us.
Now contract soldiers, I think, are being seriously trained, and many have gone through hot spots.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke

For "seals" during the Vietnam campaign, it was considered normal that in order to master the use of weapons, a warrior should fire 2000 - 3000 shots.

For what period 2000-3000? In practical shooting, for a more or less normal shooter, you need to shoot at least 4000 shots ...

During our service (in ancient peacetime) only a small part of this was given to us.

It all depends on the unit in which you served, if the unit is combined arms, but belongs to units of constant readiness, then they shoot more there ....
Every week there was a shooting range and this was only from AKs, and there were also night shootings, field trips of snipers, there were MANPADS operators, for example, they generally went to Tambov to shoot there ....
Yes, and in addition to shooting, but things closely related to them, I had to learn a lot .....

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: Lara Croft

For what period 2000-3000? In practical shooting, for a more or less normal shooter, you need to shoot at least 4000 shots ...

The period doesn't matter.
Skill development is important.

PS + to you.

[Thrifty]

Guys need to be pulled out of captivity. For this, we seem to have MTR. And, for those who sent conscripts to the war, take off their shoulder straps, and send them at least to retire, without a pension ...

[Ural resident]

Quote: Thrifty

Guys need to be pulled out of captivity. For this, we seem to have MTR. And, for those who sent conscripts to the war, take off their shoulder straps, and send them at least to retire, without a pension ...

Some still have a lot of money, for redemption there is no need to spare money.

[Ural resident]

Quote: A resident of the Urals

Quote: Thrifty

Guys need to be pulled out of captivity. For this, we seem to have MTR. And, for those who sent conscripts to the war, take off their shoulder straps, and send them at least to retire, without a pension ...

Some still have a lot of money, for redemption there is no need to spare money.

I wonder who disagrees? Here, any means are suitable and the ransom is one of the most effective, no money is worth the life of young guys who, against their will, were driven into such a situation.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

The ransom provokes the notorious.
Only exchange.

[fruc]

You can offer an exchange, this should be done by competent parliamentarians.

[Graz]

it is necessary not to release the vushniks on a subscription, this is utter stupidity, but at least exchange prisoners

[Amateur]

take off your shoulder straps, and send at least to retire, without a pension ...

Remove shoulder straps and send to the front, to units directly engaged in combat operations. The degree of responsibility and the measure of punishment will be decided by the Lord God. But everyone who allowed conscripts to the front should be punished.

[AUL]

Quote: Thrifty

And, for those who sent conscripts to the war, take off their shoulder straps, and send them at least to retire, without a pension ...

Leave shoulder straps, but clean. And welcome the privates to the "special operation for demilitarization and denazification"!

[Bumblebee_3]

Quote from AUL

Leave shoulder straps, but clean.

And are they worthy of shoulder straps? Even clean ones. In my opinion - only a zone, a strict zone! With confiscation of property. If there are sons - those, yes, with clean epaulettes for a special operation!

[Repellent]

Quote: Thrifty

Guys need to be pulled out of captivity. For this, we seem to have MTR

Oh, damn it ... moreover, MTR, they are for other things. And for "pull out" - there is an "exchange fund".

Quote: Thrifty

those who sent conscripts to the war, take off their shoulder straps, and send them at least to retire, without a pension ...

I would like a saber, yes a horse ... yes? They will figure it out without you, and it's so slippery, they themselves have a runny nose ... but I have not yet seen that someone was sent there to fight. And by misfortune to get caught - so you may not be spared ... this is fate, darling.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

I remember Shoigu swore when the conscript Shamsutdinov was sent to guard, and there was an order not to put conscripts on guard. There is a similar situation, the order is there, but not executed.

[Blackmokona]

Well, the usual army rodi. Here is an understaff, and tomorrow into battle. And you give birth to contractors.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: BlackMokona

Well, the usual army rodi. Here is an understaff, and tomorrow into battle. And you give birth to contractors.

There seems to be a Russian guard there, report an understaffing, they will be understaffed by the Russian guards.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Lt. air force reserve

report the understaffing, they will be understaffed by the National Guard.

As an option: one rear dolboyascher decided that "yes, now the guys will quickly roll back and forth (supply column), no one will notice ..." yeah.

[bk316]

As an option: one rear dolboyascher decided

Quite an option. Well, such a dolboyascher should be imprisoned for 20 years.
The commander of his kick in the ass from the army.
Deprive his commander of a couple of ranks.
His NSS commander.
And the head of the logistics service retired, but the pension of a private.
And let everyone say thank you for not being shot.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: bk316

And let everyone say thank you for not being shot.

I agree on all points, even if it was an "initiative from below" (volunteers, itit-beat...). conspiracy of a group of persons with the aim of violating the order of the Supreme High Command."

[lis-ik]

Quote: Repellent

Quote: lis-ik

maybe they also receive monetary allowance for "dead" souls

Have you (I really don’t want to “on you”, but, like, it’s customary) did you serve in the army at least? Entrepreneur? All your thoughts are about the bubble, they start with the bubble, and end with it. End quickly, because there are few thoughts

I served, that's why I say. Are you saying that this can't happen? Even here, in VO, there was a bunch of materials about army corrupt officials. So do not talk about entrepreneurs and grandmas.

[Repellent]

Quote: lis-ik

Are you saying that this can't happen?

Yes, I do, and I can confirm. This scheme does not work.

Quote: lis-ik

Or just really not enough contractors

Contract soldiers are fighting there. Guys, of course... but, like, prepared (sarcasm). If some of the conscripts were indeed taken by the Ukrainians, this is a public service, a land of pipeline workers. There are no contractors there

In short, as for me - nothing to talk about.

[lis-ik]

Quote: Repellent

Contract soldiers are fighting there. If the Ukrainians really took someone, this is the economic service, the land of pipeline workers. There are no contractors there

There is no economic service in the army, but there is a logistics and logistics service. You can see what kind of an expert you are. Well, accordingly, according to you, the MO turns out to be lying with its statement about conscripts, lying at a loss.

[Repellent]

Quote: lis-ik

There is no economic service in the army, but there is a logistics and logistics service

It's slang if you know the word. Fly from fuel and lubricants in our regiment was called "canister", if only

Quote: lis-ik

You can see what kind of specialist you are.

Me from a high bell tower to what you "see" there.

Quote: lis-ik

it turns out the MO is lying with its statement about conscripts

Who doesn't lie in war?

Quote: lis-ik

lie at a loss

Well, then you know better, I'm far from profit and loss

[lis-ik]

Quote: Repellent

Well, then you know better, I'm far from profit and loss

You. What's wrong with entrepreneurship? Otherwise, why such obsession?

[Repellent]

Quote: lis-ik

You. What's wrong with entrepreneurship?

It didn't hit my side. I am a hired labor force, qualified, and therefore in demand and not cheap. I'm on vacation right now, that's why I'm talking to you

[victor50]

Quote: Paranoid50

As an option: one rear dolboyascher decided that “yes, now the guys will quickly roll back and forth (supply column), no one will notice ...

Shouldn't there be an order not to send conscripts if state officials later publicly talk about it?

[Repellent]

Quote: victor50

Quote: Paranoid50

As an option: one rear dolboyascher decided that “yes, now the guys will quickly roll back and forth (supply column), no one will notice ...

Shouldn't there be an order not to send conscripts?

Everything has already been explained to you as an option (and for some reason I believe in it): someone decided that the order could be "expanded". And expanded. This "nektu" will be found, surely, otsnoshayut and dried. But the stench has already gone, and, yes, for some it is a joy. For me personally, no.

[Gvardeetz77]

Quote: Lt. Air Force stock

Quote: BlackMokona

Well, the usual army rodi. Here is an understaff, and tomorrow into battle. And you give birth to contractors.

There seems to be a Russian guard there, report an understaffing, they will be understaffed by the Russian guards.

Do not confuse absolutely different ministries? Or today in the Moscow Region, tomorrow in the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the day after tomorrow in the Federal Penitentiary Service, etc., and all at the request of the middle-level commander (chief)? :)

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: Gvardeetz77

Do not confuse absolutely different ministries? Or today in the Moscow Region, tomorrow in the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the day after tomorrow in the Federal Penitentiary Service, etc., and all at the request of the middle-level commander (chief)? :)

In Ukraine, the National Guard seems to be engaged in the protection of objects, I suppose since the rear units and conscripts, then most likely the drivers, the National Guard will be able to drive trucks. No special skills are needed here.

[Gvardeetz77]

Quote: Lt. Air Force stock

Quote: Gvardeetz77

Do not confuse absolutely different ministries? Or today in the Moscow Region, tomorrow in the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the day after tomorrow in the Federal Penitentiary Service, etc., and all at the request of the middle-level commander (chief)? :)

In Ukraine, the National Guard seems to be engaged in the protection of objects, I suppose since the rear units and conscripts, then most likely the drivers, the National Guard will be able to drive trucks. No special skills are needed here.

You apparently didn’t understand, I’ll try the other way around: there is a vacancy for a police driver at the District Department of Internal Affairs (he became pregnant, died, quit), this does not mean that Police Colonel Pupkin will call the commander of the N brigade, Colonel Nepupkin and say “dear Ivan Ivanovich, give me free tomorrow a soldier-sergeant-ensign to drive an UAZ with operas, you don’t need a lot of mind there "...
Understand, different subordination, even when they are in operational subordination, they do not willingly follow the instructions of the "boots", and you offer completely chaos ....

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: Gvardeetz77

You apparently didn’t understand, I’ll try the other way around: there is a vacancy for a police driver at the District Department of Internal Affairs (he became pregnant, died, quit), this does not mean that Police Colonel Pupkin will call the commander of the N brigade, Colonel Nepupkin and say “dear Ivan Ivanovich, give me free tomorrow a soldier-sergeant-ensign to drive an UAZ with operas, you don’t need a lot of mind there "...
Understand, different subordination, even when they are in operational subordination, they do not willingly follow the instructions of the "boots", and you offer completely chaos ....

It is clear that everything is decided at the highest level, but if this commander informed the higher leadership about the shortage, they would somehow resolve this issue. Since there is a Russian Guard there, it means that certain units were seconded to the subordination of the Ministry of Defense for the duration of the operation.

[Adrey]

Quote: Lt. Air Force stock

Quote: Gvardeetz77

You apparently didn’t understand, I’ll try the other way around: there is a vacancy for a police driver at the District Department of Internal Affairs (he became pregnant, died, quit), this does not mean that Police Colonel Pupkin will call the commander of the N brigade, Colonel Nepupkin and say “dear Ivan Ivanovich, give me free tomorrow a soldier-sergeant-ensign to drive an UAZ with operas, you don’t need a lot of mind there "...
Understand, different subordination, even when they are in operational subordination, they do not willingly follow the instructions of the "boots", and you offer completely chaos ....

It is clear that everything is decided at the highest level, but if this commander informed the higher leadership about the shortage, they would somehow resolve this issue. Since there is a Russian Guard there, it means that certain units were seconded to the subordination of the Ministry of Defense for the duration of the operation.

Is it the first time when the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing?

[Adrey]

Quote: Lt. Air Force stock

Quote: BlackMokona

Well, the usual army rodi. Here is an understaff, and tomorrow into battle. And you give birth to contractors.

There seems to be a Russian guard there, report an understaffing, they will be understaffed by the Russian guards.

It's different . Do not encroach on the sacred . Not made for this .

[Sadam]

Yes, the mood is changing.
The patriarch was shown today at the moment of truth on ort. Solovyov in a cassock about Coca-Cola jeans...
Chernihiv is the oldest with Ilya Muromets now throwing 500 kg bombs. And Chechen bearded men liberate the Slavic world ... ohhh when will this dream end

[Kote Pan Kokhanka]

Quote: Lt. Air Force stock

Quote: BlackMokona

Well, the usual army rodi. Here is an understaff, and tomorrow into battle. And you give birth to contractors.

There seems to be a Russian guard there, report an understaffing, they will be understaffed by the Russian guards.

If, according to the letter of the law, the National Guard should not exist on the territory of Ukraine, but they do exist.
About - ask. The National Guard and the Armament of the Force are two equivalent departments. By the way, using riot police to escort cargo is generally the height of madness.

[Korax71]

After the unit is understaffed again, it is necessary to send for combat coordination. Again, time

[Alf]

Quote: Lt. air force reserve

There seems to be a Russian guard there, report an understaffing, they will be understaffed by the Russian guards.

And these same Russian guards with a REAL enemy know how to fight? Still, the DRG is a serious adversary.

[Alex_Bora]

[/ Quote] Well, the usual army rodi. Here is an understaff, and tomorrow into battle. And you give birth to contractors. [/quote]
I’ll clarify.
On date N time T you must field a 100% manned unit. And if you have 80% of contract soldiers, then you can close the remaining 20% ​​only with conscripts. And they can report to the top, they can remain silent. Has reached the Supreme, has not reached - to us will not be told.
And the capture of a contract soldier or a conscript - for members of his family it makes no difference. Here again, it just didn't look good. And since there are captured conscripts, then there will be dead, alas.

[Ural resident]

Some kind of general-dubol, the same as the one that framed the rear columns under the hail. Wrote for the report, apparently that's all. Public stripping of shoulder straps and dismissal without a pension.

[MrFYGY]

You have to shoot for this. But now, alas, it's a different time.

[Ural resident]

Quote: MrFYGY

You have to shoot for this. But now, alas, it's a different time.

I'm afraid that even what I wrote will not be done. In general, there is another option, to ask those generals and colonels to replace the prisoners. Anger is not enough for these blockheads, I have seen such people more than once.

[-z-]

Only in this way, but already with clean shoulder straps. Such commanders are under the tribunal. Was there a guard there? What the special officers were looking at. Or maybe, as often happens with the rear, this is material and financial fraud? Tribunal only!

[Ros 56]

No, you don’t have to shoot, you need to exchange them for those conscripts, let the bastard smell all the delights of captivity with his skin.

[bk316]

Well thought out.

[Kote Pan Kokhanka]

Quote: A resident of the Urals

Some kind of general-dubol, the same as the one that framed the rear columns under the hail. Wrote for the report, apparently that's all. Public stripping of shoulder straps and dismissal without a pension.

I think the switchman has already been identified, and at best it is a major or a captain.
The question is, why is the institution of military prosecutors needed at all, if it works on the instructions of the supreme leader himself?

[Ural resident]

Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka

Quote: A resident of the Urals

Some kind of general-dubol, the same as the one that framed the rear columns under the hail. Wrote for the report, apparently that's all. Public stripping of shoulder straps and dismissal without a pension.

I think the switchman has already been identified, and at best it is a major or a captain.
The question is, why is the institution of military prosecutors needed at all, if it works on the instructions of the supreme leader himself?

The fact of the matter is that even the generals must answer, the younger ones will be punished anyway. A good general must know what's going on with him.

[bk316]

I think the switchman has already been identified and this is at best a major or captain

I think Major General.

[Adrey]

Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka

Quote: A resident of the Urals

Some kind of general-dubol, the same as the one that framed the rear columns under the hail. Wrote for the report, apparently that's all. Public stripping of shoulder straps and dismissal without a pension.

I think the switchman has already been identified, and at best it is a major or a captain.
The question is, why is the institution of military prosecutors needed at all, if it works on the instructions of the supreme leader himself?

See my posts above and the number of cons

[Alf]

Quote: Kote pane Kohanka

The question is, why is the institution of military prosecutors needed at all, if it works on the instructions of the supreme leader himself?

If the military prosecutors work, so to speak, "in automatic mode", then they can climb into the wrong place and dig out the wrong thing.

[Kote Pan Kokhanka]

I'll be rude, why the hell are they needed then! The military, first of all, are special subjects with their own court and law enforcement agency, which over the past decade will only intensify, expand and grow. Manual management of this institution, alas, a statement of the crisis of this institution!

[BISMARCK94]

Meanwhile, the Russian president, who previously said that only contract servicemen are participating in the special operation in Ukraine

From the creators of "we will not raise the retirement age"
Have the commanders of the units completely lost the shores there? Why send deadlines? Given those wishing for contract service, the shortage of personnel is excluded

[BISMARCK94]

The next of kin works. Even when all the action began, the storerooms began to come to the military registration and enlistment office. 4 years ago, while serving in our brigade for an urgent period, there were also no problems with the number of contractors, and this is an engineering brigade where machine guns are only sworn in and cleaned

[Gvardeetz77]

Quote: BISMARCK94

The next of kin works. Even when all the action began, the storerooms began to come to the military registration and enlistment office. 4 years ago, while serving in our brigade for an urgent period, there were also no problems with the number of contractors, and this is an engineering brigade where machine guns are only sworn in and cleaned

I would believe you if I myself did not participate in the "battles for the contract" in 2006-2008 and in 2012-2014 (I can be wrong in terms of + - a year, and there were enough other things, but I periodically received pistons for the contract and distributed it myself) ...

[BISMARCK94]

I can’t say how it was in those years, but for the last 4-5 years there is a little information

[Gvardeetz77]

Quote: BISMARCK94

Meanwhile, the Russian president, who previously said that only contract servicemen are participating in the special operation in Ukraine

From the creators of "we will not raise the retirement age"
Have the commanders of the units completely lost the shores there? Why send deadlines? Given those wishing for contract service, the shortage of personnel is excluded

Where did you see the queues at the military registration and enlistment offices? Before you say so, at least once complete the recruitment (selection) plan for military service under the contract, both in the troops and in the above-mentioned military registration and enlistment offices?

[bk316]

Why send deadlines?

Why not - a mess.

[Vavilov]

all the commanders of the units of the Russian Armed Forces were instructed in advance: to categorically exclude

commander-in-chief ... in public? the best sabotage cannot be imagined

[XNUMX%]

You are a provocateur. Commander-in-Chief is Commander-in-Chief. Stupid rear rats on the ground allowed conscripts to the front line despite an unequivocal ban. They are not needed in the army degenerates, and you are a provocateur and a boor.

[XNUMX%]

Here they are - w.r.o.d.s. moral within the state. They received all the instructions, and until the last they were silent, because this is how they used to get away with everything. Now they need to cripple for the rest of their lives ... for captured conscripts. And some people are better off immediately given to a military tribunal.
Konashenkov reports, but they are silent - maybe it will cost. Scum.

[Vadim237]

It is necessary to give to the tribunal those who developed this entire military operation - the equipment is not protected, the columns have no logistics support, the same conscripts in the war, the first blow is very weak, which allowed the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the National Battalions to disassemble the weapons and disperse throughout Ukraine, the artillery was not suppressed, like dozens of OTRK Point U like airfields with air defense, the border with Potlsha is not blocked, and now mountains of weapons and mercenaries are being transferred through it to Ukraine.

[Adrey]

Quote: Vadim237

It is necessary to give to the tribunal those who developed this entire military operation - the equipment is not protected, the columns have no logistics support, the same conscripts in the war, the first blow is very weak, which allowed the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the National Battalions to disassemble the weapons and disperse throughout Ukraine, the artillery was not suppressed, like dozens of OTRK Point U like airfields with air defense, the border with Potlsha is not blocked, and now mountains of weapons and mercenaries are being transferred through it to Ukraine.

Who will give these respected people and under what tribunal?

[bk316]

They received all the instructions, and until the last they were silent, because this is how they used to get away with everything.

Let's be honest, this is a deliberate failure to comply with the order. The article is obvious. The tribunal must work. But there are also control systems. Why didn't they work? Also gouging or collusion? The investigation will sort it out ... At this point, the GDP will not cover anyone, because they threw not only us, not only Russia, but also him personally, no matter how there were crossbows here ....

[Alf]

Quote: bk316

At this point, the GDP will not cover anyone, because they threw not only us, not only Russia, but also him personally,

First time, right?

Quote: bk316

as if there were no gunshots here ....

Colleague Vladimir, what country do you live in? What crossbows, what are you talking about?

[bk316]

First time, right?

Not the first and not the last. There are many idiots who think they are smart.

What crossbows, what are you talking about?

Between the lines, read the birch, remember

Well, this is not a matter of first importance, the main thing is to get the boys out.

[poquello]

"instructed the Chief Military Prosecutor's Office to identify and punish persons who allowed conscripts to be included in the number of persons involved in the operation."
this is very correct, and a very serious punishment

[Vitaly161]

Quote: poquello

"instructed the Chief Military Prosecutor's Office to identify and punish persons who allowed conscripts to be included in the number of persons involved in the operation."
this is very correct, and a very serious punishment

shoulder straps will now fly on the way, you can’t get off such a jamb, the guys in the military prosecutor’s office are usually tough and principled, you definitely need to steal for this

[Vadmir]

epaulettes will fly now Toko on the way

And then to offer colleagues of punished officers to lay down their lives for the Motherland, for the Motherland that punishes officers during the war for following orders? Did they build a dacha for themselves, by the forces of conscripts? They did their mission!
Conscripts are soldiers!

[Vitaly161]

Quote: Vadmir

epaulettes will fly now Toko on the way

And then to offer colleagues of punished officers to lay down their lives for the Motherland, for the Motherland that punishes officers during the war for following orders? Did they build a dacha for themselves, by the forces of conscripts? They did their mission!
Conscripts are soldiers!

ok, I won't argue, time will tell

[poquello]

Quote: Vadmir

for following orders?

at the market? Was there no order from conscripts not to take?

[Disant]

who to punish? We have a mixed picking system.
in one department and conscripts can be contract soldiers at the same time.
one fuel truck is moving, one is not moving
one tank rides, the other - sissy crumples in traffic, so what?
and on the night of the whistle, the battalion commander needs to give birth to 10 driver-mechanics, 5 gunners and 15 ordinary drivers.
departure in 2 hours. so, what is next?

[Gvardeetz77]

Quote: Disant

who to punish? We have a mixed picking system.
in one department and conscripts can be contract soldiers at the same time.
one fuel truck is moving, one is not moving
one tank rides, the other - sissy crumples in traffic, so what?

Well, so the BTGr is therefore not from a good life, these are certainly not consolidated regiments of the 94th, but also not full-blooded brigades-divisions ...

[poquello]

Quote: Disant

who to punish? We have a mixed picking system.

the prosecutor will figure out who, .. and what you have

[Vitaly161]

Quote: Disant

who to punish? We have a mixed picking system.
in one department and conscripts can be contract soldiers at the same time.
one fuel truck is moving, one is not moving
one tank rides, the other - sissy crumples in traffic, so what?
and on the night of the whistle, the battalion commander needs to give birth to 10 driver-mechanics, 5 gunners and 15 ordinary drivers.
departure in 2 hours. so, what is next?

we know that in 2008 conscripts also served in the GRU, although the Molka brigade was "completely contracted" on paper, I wouldn't be surprised if it happened the same way

[poquello]

Quote: Vitaliy161

was "fully contracted" on paper

is to cover your ass with your own arbitrariness, rightly so if they rake

[Murmur 55]

That's why it was necessary to whistle that there were no conscripts there, but the leaders themselves of such a KOZYR handed over to the Ukrainians and the 5th column what they never dreamed of, the boys had the strength to endure this hell, and the leadership who sent them there............ .....

[Ros 56]

How many more de @ ilov in uniform should be driven out of the army without a pension? After all, then he will whine, look for colleagues to help.

[monah]

Quote: Thrifty

Guys need to be pulled out of captivity. For this, we seem to have MTR. And, for those who sent conscripts to the war, take off their shoulder straps, and send them at least to retire, without a pension ...

Why scatter professionals!? Use everyone to the fullest on the front line. Majors - platoon colonels, generals, company commanders, let them earn a pension on a new one!

[-Paul-]

Someone will sit down for deceiving the commander in chief.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: -Paul-

Someone will swear

Hardly. According to the good old tradition, they will be transferred to another place of service.

[SOBA4TACTICMOSCOW]

really interesting, what is not going according to plan yet, it demoralized me a bit

[Andrey VOV]

It’s a pity that the President himself didn’t talk about it and didn’t swear about it in 1994-96 .. Of course, then it was a completely different time, but nonetheless.
And the guys need to be released urgently,

[Gardamir]

Today I listened to Shamanov's speech, not on this occasion. maybe he already knew. So the general said, the troops passed. and the riot police, the National Guard should go behind.

[fif21]

Quote: Gardamir

So the general said, the troops passed. and the riot police, the National Guard should go behind.

OMON has already been handed over to the Russian Guard. And he goes not behind, but in front, fulfilling his military duty. The troops should be followed by the commandant's office, and temporary police departments (MVD). And create a civil administration. Order must be in the rear.

[Gardamir]

Order must be in the rear

In short. then I meant it.

[Scarecrow]

And we all want peaceful...
With a missile attack on Lviv and Ivano Frankovsk, one must be responsible for the capture of conscripts ... No mercy for the enemy ...

[Evgenijus]

Something is not heard about the responsibility for what happened to Minister Shoigu himself. It was his department that allowed this. Or will our President only threaten him with a finger? For such blunders, a “party ticket” must be laid out on the table and sent to your dacha, having handed over a military uniform to a military warehouse (and your cap “a la Pinochet”). They framed the GDP itself. What a shame...

[Adrey]

Quote: Evgenijus

Something is not heard about the responsibility for what happened to Minister Shoigu himself. It was his department that allowed this. Or will our President only threaten him with a finger? For such blunders, a “party ticket” must be laid out on the table and sent to your dacha, having handed over a military uniform to a military warehouse (and your cap “a la Pinochet”). They framed the GDP itself. What a shame...

He's busy. Cities in Siberia marks.

[Adagka]

what can I say, the right hand does not know what the left is doing. and how confidently yesterday they said that there were no conscripts, only under a contract.

[Bradley]

But if there weren’t so many vids with conscripts, then they would have continued to say that only contract soldiers.
It was clear from the first days that there were many conscripts there. Not one, not two or three people. But they said that there were no conscripts, as well as losses.
And now what? Who will be punished? Will they be punished?
There is another "moment" here: many conscripts were offered to sign a contract after several months of service. There are also enough such contractors.
Gentlemen, why are you actually surprised?

[Pulkovo1942]

Who will be punished? Will they be punished?

Some scapegoat will be found. This year, there will definitely be no competition for military universities, and recruits will have to be searched for in basements and bushes.

[Bradley]

Some scapegoat will be found. This year, there will definitely be no competition for military universities, and recruits will have to be searched for in basements and bushes.

Yes, of course they will, I have no doubt.

As for the conscripts, they have already come up with: now the conscript must appear at the military registration and enlistment office, and if he does not come, then he will be brought to court.
Now you don't even need a subpoena.

[Gvardeetz77]

Quote: Bradley

There is another "moment" here: many conscripts were offered to sign a contract after several months of service. There are also enough such contractors.
Gentlemen, why are you actually surprised?

As an option, it could be "semi-contract workers", they took the doubters to the "field exit", they persuaded them, but they did not manage to issue documents (combatant in the PPD, in conditional Khabarovsk), and then it began

[Adrey]

Gentlemen, why are you actually surprised?

Nothing

[Mikhail Sidorov]

It's very bad that the Supreme was deceived. Eh.....

[Evgenijus]

No one deceived the Supreme. Such is our training of personnel, starting with the "builder" of the Minister of Defense. He did not serve as a conscript for a single day, after receiving the diploma "builder" he immediately became a lieutenant, and the next shoulder straps were "major general". Yes, in addition, "Hero of Russia". Is it possible that a hero is given for the performance of duties in the service? I always thought what a feat. We have Tu-160 pilots in flight for more than a day, so they need to be given a "hero", and the authorities get off only with gratitude. And if your father-in-law is a senator, then much lower - only a hero is worthy.

[Reader 2013]

And he can just open the Internet and read, it seems he will learn a lot of new things

[Kesha1980]

This is bad. In a sense - a compromise of the President. In a sense - now all the parents of conscripts will start to panic.
In the early 2000s, he served, he was glad that at the construction of a briefing in front of the SBZ, he heard something that was not reported on TV. So it’s easier for warriors - when mothers don’t worry much.
In this situation, it would be better to draw up a contract retroactively - there is no need to panic the whole world. But it is also impossible to allow conscripts into the database zone. Categorically! Especially after the announcement of the President about the non-admission. Earlier, I remember on the last page a separate admission to the SBZ with the main professional grades for study was slapped with a stapler.
Someone in the drill will have to sit down. But the mothers of the soldiers now feel bad.

[Reader 2013]

The money was written off to contract servicemen, who were not there, and they stole, and when it started there were no people behind the wheel, there was no one to put behind the wheel

[Li17]

I’m looking at the bloodthirsty in the subject to remove and shoulder straps ..... Well, now my commander’s opinion. They send you personnel and instructions, so that it is, etc. The personnel of conscripts in kindergarten conditions are counting the days until demobilization by blogging on the net ... and do not think of joining the ranks of double basses! Some of the smart signatories turn on their brains if anything ... (not all!). And now the commander curses the moment when he became the boss, he thinks what to do? Report up? Well, everyone understood. Okay, at the very least they left, and now the soldiers, finding themselves in a new environment, climb and begin to hang around where they don’t need to. They can go to chat, or disassemble some kind of shell, in order to be left without a skull later, jump to take a selfie in the background .... Look at the video of these warriors with snot, everything is clear to me. All that I have covered here is from my practice.
Well, now, those who want to be in the place of the commander of the autobat and other invisible units? Maybe someone thinks that part of the queue for a contract?

[Thrifty]

Lithium 17 - then such a commander should be planted first. Because of the fear of being responsible for the lack of contract soldiers, exposing conscripts to a bullet? The lack of professionals and in the army is a disaster, but why don’t soldiers go to contract service? What is the reason? And does this give the right to throw conscripts into the crucible of war?

[Li17]

Well, yes, the commander only has the responsibility to be responsible for the shortage ... and nothing else! There is no housing stock, no spare parts, no rights to bring some soldiers to normal combat .... There are a lot of things on paper, for example, fuel and lubricants, only diesel fuel, in fact, heating oil, specialists in full-time positions .. you have not seen some .... well, and the staffing of professionals ..... And why does no one want to go on a contract with us? And why did 11 of the 8 officers in the familiar section quit in the first year? Looks like a colleague from the party, they liked to ask it there, avoiding responsibility ... As my political officer of the company told me when I sent him and reminded me that he should change commanders according to the state ...., but I have specific tasks!

[Thrifty]

Lithium 17th about the fact that we now have an anti-terrorist operation, let's call it that. And if NATO troops came to the rescue? We would also play peacekeepers, or mobilize, but anyway, army contract soldiers are very needed. There is enough stupidity, some problems are shelved, but this does not make them less. Simply, you need to be able to tell the truth, and not hint at certain circumstances. Since we were told that only contract soldiers, it means that the personnel was checked for the absence of conscripts. Or, alternatively, they just throw dust in our eyes !!!

[Evgenijus]

If you are a normal commander, this is how you think about your subordinates. And if only about your pension in a month, then you don't care. And your soldiers - boys, before being drafted played computer games in which a warrior, hit by an arrow, falls, and then gets up and runs on. During the day, these guys marched with their fuel trucks, and at night everyone sleeps, because their commander did not think about their safety. During the day, it was necessary to prepare the night shift of the guards, to let them sleep. And to rest during the day, and stay awake at night with these boys. And to spread rot on the commander who sent the jerks to a serious matter.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Evgenijus

before the call, they played computer games in which a warrior, hit by an arrow, falls, and then gets up and runs on.

In fantasy literature, a new direction has already appeared, where the hero has several lives, the Internet is in his head and the choice of weapons against all sorts of monsters. The generation of computer shooters has grown up. And in real life, it all comes out somehow sadder.

[Li17]

judging by the style, you are from the mother's committee ...

[Down]

Quote: Jovanni

It doesn't just look ugly. It is unlikely that Putin would lie to the people. Does this mean that the Supreme Commander-in-Chief does not have information, or is it distorted for him?

Tell me, when did the supreme leader of the whole country personally declare that as long as he is president, there will be no pension reform. You can easily find confirmation of my words on official sites. Say which category his statement falls into, out of the ones you listed above. 1. Didn't have the information, 2. ...or it was distorted for him.

[Vadmir]

Is it that the events in Africa or the Middle East? Is this a war for the fundamental interests of our State? What kind of snot about conscripts? They are soldiers. It was these soldiers who fought during the Second World War and in Afghanistan.
Another thing is that the level of training of conscripts cannot be high due to the duration of service of 1 year. This period should be extended. And not until 2 years old. Such a term of service is acceptable in calm times, now there is a war, and even after it ends, the foreign policy situation will be very difficult. The service life should be increased to 3 years. And thus, it is necessary to increase the number of armed forces to 1 people.

[Pulkovo1942]

Service life should be increased to 3 years

Why so little? Let's just like under Peter - 25 years.

[Vadmir]

Quote:

After the end of the First World War and general mobilization, the service life was 3 years. It remained that way until 1941.
From 1945 to 1967 - the period was 3 years

And now we have a situation close to the Caribbean crisis.

[Comrade I]

And now we have a situation close to the Caribbean crisis.

Now we have a situation closer to 1917. Only without the Bolsheviks.
Well, or God forbid, only by 1904.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Comrade Y

Our situation is closer to 1917.

The unfinished "revolutionaries" are itching for everything ..

[Vadmir]

If we manage to lose the war, then the analogy with 1904 may be appropriate, but so far we seem to be winning and I really hope that 1905 will not happen again, as long as there are no prerequisites. And since 1917 there is absolutely no similarity.

[Comrade I]

In 1961 was the Subject of international politics. Now there is absolutely no such thing, but there are degraded elites.

[Adrey]

Quote: Vadmir

Is it that the events in Africa or the Middle East? Is this a war for the fundamental interests of our State? What kind of snot about conscripts? They are soldiers. It was these soldiers who fought during the Second World War and in Afghanistan.
Another thing is that the level of training of conscripts cannot be high due to the duration of service of 1 year. This period should be extended. And not until 2 years old. Such a term of service is acceptable in calm times, now there is a war, and even after it ends, the foreign policy situation will be very difficult. The service life should be increased to 3 years. And thus, it is necessary to increase the number of armed forces to 1 people.

25 is the best! After all, it already was.

[Living7111972]

What are these fellow soldiers? When I graduated from high school, I rode everything from bikes to K700s and Kamaz. I knew how to plow, sow, dig and mow. For two summers he worked as a horseman on a horse, in rain and heat. He was an assistant combine operator and a combine operator. Loved the T150 and DT75.
He knew how to shoot and ran on skis, somehow walked 52 km to his grandmother. Struggled. And it wasn't something out of the ordinary. There were a lot more skilled guys. I also loved to read! Time was running out.
How about these? Even in villages, rarely anyone knows anything, but urban ...
I do not know ...

[Mikhail Sidorov]

Absolutely agree with you. As I understand it, this is why the army exists in the state. What is troubling is that someone is putting a bolt on Gvp's orders. If the shortage is so explain, convey the information that such forces cannot perform the operation. And it looks like sabotage. I can imagine how the forelocks are dancing with joy now. Today we have dealt the most serious blow to us in the entire operation.

[Denis 1981]

As always, unfortunately, we have dementia and courage (first we get into trouble and then someone heroically taxis all this ((

[older]

Quote: poquello

"instructed the Chief Military Prosecutor's Office to identify and punish persons who allowed conscripts to be included in the number of persons involved in the operation."
this is very correct, and a very serious punishment

Wangyu - the prosecutor's office, quite predictably, will express concern, that's all

[evgen1221]

Oh, what sensitive and understanding people we have on the site. Minutes before the release of this article, we reposted this message from the RF Ministry of Defense in the next thread. Oh, how many insults and wishes to try on white slippers, we flew with another reposted comrade, and there were countless applications for a ban for a fake. Thanks. we all love you all very much and respect your opinion, you are our fellow citizens.!

[Pytnik]

And as you wanted, it’s just that people are divided into those who draw information from the daily briefings of the Moscow Region and those who watch and monitor various sources on the Internet, now there is more than 50/50 information in various telegram channels, a lot of fakes, of course, but there are plenty of different ones in that or some other degree of truthful information, oh what will happen when it comes to losses in the VKS, because there is still no official information, but the truth will come out anyway and I'm afraid it will be bleak ....

[Dali]

Quote: Pytnik

after all, there is still no official information

Well, you’re in vain ... already a few days ago they announced the number of losses, but how accurate it is is another question. Posthumously, the hero of Russia was already given !!!

[andr327]

The fact is certainly not pleasant. But here a number of unpleasant questions arise.
1. Where were intelligence, outposts? who is responsible for this?
2. What was the order for the delivery of supplies to support combat operations? Planned or sudden?
3. If you deliver, there will be no penalties, if you don’t deliver - a tribunal for the company and platoon commander. Or leave a combat unit without ammunition and fuel?
If two orders contradict one another, or one of them does not allow the other to be executed, choose according to your conscience. And to remove epaulettes and similar actions is, alas, not for us to decide.
I am not justifying anyone, but the analysis and conclusions in planning the supply of troops must be tough.

[Sanche]

Quote: andr327

The fact is certainly not pleasant. But here a number of unpleasant questions arise.

There are many more questions than you mentioned. In addition to the military sphere with questions that have no answers, there is also the economic sphere.

[bandabas]

It is quite a possible option - someone received money for sending the guys to the logistic support in the operation zone. This "someone" (or these) should be dealt with by military counterintelligence and the military prosecutor's office. It doesn't look like simple sloppiness. Banderlogs knew whom to attack. However, it seems that the "rats" have already fled.

[bandabas]

To each his own.

[bandabas]

A couple of negatives. Or maybe you should look for it? Let's find.

[RED_ICE]

In the investigation hall, it turns out that the conscripts "they themselves filed a report" on participation in a special operation

[lot]

Look at you .. the senator 5 days ago announced the big losses of these boys, and her mouth was gagged.
To the answer of the guilty.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: lot

the senator 5 days ago announced the big losses of these boys,

Is she the one whose daughter is a horse?

[Bayun]

"Obosratushki" must be ignored - the rule of the information war.

In peacetime, yes - there is a right to criticize and reason. And during ... a special operation - it is better to remain silent, giving the task to the specialists to figure it out hard.

Sorry for the repetition, but the fact is that we are "cleaning infoguns with bricks"...

[Sanche]

Quote: Bayun

"Obosratushki" must be ignored - the rule of the information war.

It's hard to ignore the obvious, sometimes even pretending to be an idiot doesn't help.

[Bayun]

No need to pretend. Get together, keep the anger in yourself, on the photo-video - a calm face, to questions directly and clearly: "I don't know anything. I work as a janitor."

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Bayun

but the fact is that we are "cleaning infoguns with a brick" ...

This is still garbage, because it is not originally our clearing - there is still to catch up, but not the first time. Another thing is foul: when a host of alternatively gifted fellow citizens, having practically no information about this or that event, often after reading only the headline of the news, immediately fall into exaltation and arrange a uniform hysteria or dance on the bones. In the course are speculations with arguments below the cesspool, which the "bearers of true knowledge" throw right and left with foam at the mouth. For this category of the VO audience, the name has already appeared - "housewives", because it is often extremely difficult to classify these hysterics in the male sex - doubts arise.
Truly, an alarmist-comrade-in-arms is much more terrible than a cunning enemy.

[Dali]

There are a bunch of them, and not only "housewives". Russophobes provocateurs, fifth column, liberals of all stripes!!! Well, mishandled Cossacks from the military information units, of which the West has already created not two or three, but dozens !!!

[Bayun]

The adversary has been working at the level of demonism for a long time. And we're stuck on brainwashing.

In 2014, the Russian authorities abandoned the "superweapon" in the information war - the Russian Spirit, because they clearly understood, at that moment, the possible return would sweep it to the "fucking hair dryer". Now, it seems, a shock absorber has been created, but it’s still hard to bang with the “tower caliber” ...

[2я19]

"your mother, comrade generals!"

[Sanche]

Campaign this will be the most disastrous operation of all operations.
The beginning doesn't bode well. You have to choose from bad and very bad options.

[Radical]

Quote: bk316

which AK was seen in the eyes only on the call! ....

I do not think. Before KMB or training, they were not even sent to Afghanistan ...

They themselves understood - what did they write?

[Dkuznecov]

What does "several soldiers" mean?
Is that a bag of potatoes crumbled?

[Knizhnik]

Where did it happen? If in Ukraine, then the question to the commander: where is the guard in the combat zone? And if in the adjacent territory of the Russian Federation, then you need to ask a lot more from whom.

[Skipper]

Here it will be clear to the most stupid individual that this was a large-scale operation to discredit Putin and possible rebellion and unrest within the country. CIA sleeper agents in the military department were involved. They sent conscripts to Ukraine. These agents contacted the handlers and let them know that the targets were already in the capture zone. On the part of Ukraine, the DRG worked EXACTLY ON THE CONSISTENTS.

[Mikhail Astakhov]

Our leadership needs to "promise" less, especially publicly. We must first of all proceed from expediency. It is not clear what kind of hysteria about the "conscripts". It is said that they were engaged in rear work (household company), what's the problem? And the conscripts, that they didn’t take the oath, didn’t hold weapons in their hands? And then - where is the "border" in the human brain? - today "conscript", and tomorrow already into battle. This is an army, real military operations are going on, but what if tomorrow the whole "nata" goes "through"? That " conscripts " will sit and wait until " four months " is fulfilled ? We ourselves create an absurd situation when we become hostages of our own promises and decency. We must be OWNERS OF OUR WORD - "I gave my word, but I can take it - I am its owner", otherwise the tail of accusations about "2-3-133 million raped German women, Ukrainian women" will constantly trail behind us, maybe even English...

[Vadmir]

This is an army, real military operations are going on, but what if tomorrow the whole "nata" goes "through"? That " conscripts " will sit and wait until " four months " is fulfilled ? We ourselves create an absurd situation when we become hostages of our own promises and decency.

Absolutely agree. The army is not an institution for noble maidens. The army is a tool to protect the State and its interests. Protecting the homeland is the duty of everyone. Especially when it comes to military personnel who have taken the oath.

[Skipper]

Quote: isv000

Quote: Alien From

Here's how it doesn't look good...

I heard Konashenkov - I didn’t believe my ears - it’s necessary to substitute the Supreme like that! I myself tore my T-shirt that our conscripts do not fight, I refuted fakes. Now they ask - well, what?! ....

Here it will be clear to the most stupid individual that this was a large-scale operation to discredit Putin and possible rebellion and unrest within the country. CIA sleeper agents in the military department were involved. They sent conscripts to Ukraine. These agents contacted the handlers and let them know that the targets were already in the capture zone. On the part of Ukraine, the DRG worked EXACTLY ON THE CONSISTENTS.

[Cynic]

one of the units of the rear service was ambushed by the Ukrainian DRG ... conscripts were captured by the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

Before that, I listened to the news about the events in Ukraine and could not believe that this army of ours was fighting like that, and then ...
No, it’s definitely ours, it’s only we who have a “expert_hero” who considers the delivery of supplies to the combat area not a combat mission! And how much more such ballast is in the army ?!

[zxc15682]

Someone said "pencils are the best war" - this is about conscripts in the war.

[Bare]

How many couch experts have gathered here!

[Bayun]

One real combat captain said: "I can't be a divisional commander. KNOWING (!) what's going on in the battle formations of the battalion, I won't be able to give orders to the division." And the "couch" - please substitute the position - will send "at least a million, at least a billion" to be slaughtered.

This is the whole point of modern life-existence in all countries of the world, that it is the "sofa" who decides where-who-who-how much ...

[DLord]

Does anyone here know how mothers can contact their sons? I called the com part today, he said the phones were seized, I won’t say where he is. What are the ways to find out if you are alive and well?

[dnestr74]

I have in the platoon the delivery of RMO to the second company. half of the conscripts were, they wrote a piece of paper that they agreed to go. What is the problem? They serve in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, they took an oath.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: dnestr74

What is the problem at all?

The problem is not with them, but with the statement that they are not there.

[rhd]

Ndaaaa (C) .... They screwed up big! How is it?! This is now such EVIDENCE against Russia! Your mother are you! WELL, what a stupid person, sent them there?! On purpose, or what?!

[Dali]

Quote: rhd

This is now such EVIDENCE against Russia!

This is not evidence ... !!!
1) Perhaps a natural set-up!!! Accordingly, the DRG of the Ukrobanderites worked on a tip - someone leaked information !!!
2) Bungling, but also a set-up - someone also leaked information.
3) An accident, but for me it is unlikely, since for more than one day the very top has been saying that there are no conscripts !!! And here it was necessary to think that the Ukrobanderites would do everything to cheat our army !!!

[Dali]

The fact is very sad, but this is war!!! And I had to take action!
The facts of the imminent production of atomic weapons by the Ukrobander authorities - once!
Several dozens of biological laboratories under the auspices of the Ministry of Defense of mattresses - two!
Placement of enemy bases on the territory of Ukrainians - three!
The appearance of a people who hate Russia, ready to kill us - four!

Isn't it enough?!

[Dali]

Quote: Dali

Isn't it enough?!

I see that this is not enough for at least three citizens. For them, they are fine so far, but then at least the grass does not grow !!!

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Dali

Isn't it enough?!

you look less than Solovyov. I remember Powell also waved a test tube at the UN before the invasion of Iraq. And in the end, all this turned out to be fakes

[Dali]

Quote: Pilat2009

you look less than Solovyov. I remember Powell also waved a test tube at the UN before the invasion of Iraq. And in the end, all this turned out to be fakes

Another one has been drawn ... you watch less of the Air Force ... maybe the brain will clear itself.

[Dali]

Quote: Pilat2009

you look less than Solovyov. I remember Powell also waved a test tube at the UN before the invasion of Iraq. And in the end, all this turned out to be fakes

Those. burning people in Odessa, killing people just because they support Russia, shelling and killing of civilians in Donbass, facts that even in the West are recognized by honest people - is this for you to wave a test tube ?!
Yes, after your words, you are a specific representative of the 5th column of Russia, in fact an enemy of Russia !!!

[Paranoid50]

Quote: rhd

This is now such EVIDENCE against Russia!

What is the evidence in the coffin-swing? Yes, and we, in fact, are not in court. That's it, it's too late to rush about with evidence - dill is no longer up to network wars (the heat of the first days has noticeably subsided, and troll bots are no longer bursting in packs, and crazy loners do not count). Yes, a joint, but not a global one - the excess of the performer, whom I do not envy at all ... And if the intent is also revealed ...

[Myths]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

The fact that this "special operation" has become a necessity is disgusting. But to call it liberation, I don’t know, to put Deripaska and Rotenberg on the neck of Ukrainians instead of Kolomoisky and Akhmetov, is that what you think liberation looks like?

And you need a neighbor who, by hook or by crook, is supplied with weapons and aimed at you. At the same time, the euro does not foresee repairs and economic development, only debts. And the debts will have to be repaid and with what?

[Dali]

Quote from Mitos

And you need a neighbor who, by hook or by crook, is supplied with weapons and aimed at you.

Just these gr. for your sweet life with iPhones, iPads, Gouches, etc. ready to sell their country... and a bunch of fifth-columnists have joined VO!!!

[Pilat2009]

Quote from Mitos

Quote: aleksejkabanets

The fact that this "special operation" has become a necessity is disgusting. But to call it liberation, I don’t know, to put Deripaska and Rotenberg on the neck of Ukrainians instead of Kolomoisky and Akhmetov, is that what you think liberation looks like?

And you need a neighbor who, by hook or by crook, is supplied with weapons and aimed at you. At the same time, the euro does not foresee repairs and economic development, only debts. And the debts will have to be repaid and with what?

But the debts will have to be repaid, only at our expense. Those debts could have been written off,

[Dali]

Quote: Pilat2009

But the debts will have to be repaid, only at our expense. Those debts could have been written off

What debts, who do we owe and why...?
Gr. no need to engage in demagoguery!!!

[huntsman650]

Made a mountain out of a mountain. The ships' crews also include conscripts for the Black Sea Fleet, probably))) they are with the landing force.

[Sands Careers General]

The Ministry of Defense announced the capture of several conscripts involved in a special operation in Ukraine

Now someone's stars will fly off their shoulder straps))

[Alexey G]

Now is the turning point in the war! Economic sanctions are frightening citizens and progress at the front is stuck! We need a tactical victory! Capture of Mariupol!

[Bayun]

Our defeated column...

Questions from an amateur. Why aren’t UAZs in the “pickup” model with a heavy machine gun in the back? It seems like a classic “jihad mobile”. There is no simple trailer for URALs and KAMAZs, for example, with ZU-23-2. They hit you on the “head,” but such an “evil trailer” can bite hard. "Tiger" is also a "ceremonial" one without a machine gun-ATGM-SAM.

There is no link - the full video about 7 minutes from the enemy has already been deleted. It’s not fake, they simply don’t have such technology. There was also a healthy 4-axle “kibitka”, similar to the one in the video about the Zprorozhsky Nuclear Power Plant. It was a repeat of about 1,5 minutes from a married couple on YouTube - google it... White UAZ, white Gazelle - either RKhBZ, or a “medic”.

I looked and counted 5 “two hundredths” - eternal memory - I want to hope that the l/s is gone. The main question is, HOW can you once again move so carelessly through UNCLEARED (!) enemy territory?

The density of columns has already been written here. At a stop, bumper to bumper in 2-3 rows - this is a gift to the adversary.

[Dikson]

There are a lot of comments... I won’t gloat. In fact, they serve in the army to defend the Motherland and carry out orders. How long you served is the last question in this case. But those at the helm have done poorly with their speeches and assurances. Well, it's not the first time, is it? Wait for the mobilization, gentlemen who have served and those who have not served, the music will not play for long.. - about “aligning the lines” and “regrouping” it’s as if you won’t hear about it.. Welcome to the guerrilla war, motherfucker... And to the mothers of those who are there now - faith for the best, and hope..

[Li17]

Quote: Vadmir

It was these soldiers who fought during the Second World War and in Afghanistan.

Alas, not like that!

[nemez]

VO is turning into a Russophobic site, although it was one, but to a lesser extent. Sadly

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Quote: Flood

what planning failures are you talking about?

The most important is the underestimation of the mood of the local population. Underestimation of the capabilities of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Disgusting planning of rear services and protection of rear columns. That is why there are so many vids with abandoned equipment due to lack of fuel on the network. The failure of planning to take Kharkov with a swoop. The list can be long.

Quote: Flood

for what purpose and in what regions?

for the purpose of mobilization. And about the article of the constitution - the law that drawbar. We need to save the country, time is against us.
P.S. The State Department recommends that US citizens urgently leave Russia.

It has long been clear to all sensible people that this war will not bring anything good. And it’s too late to drink Borjomi

[Dzafdet]

Some ? There the count goes into tens. These are prisoners, and it is not clear how many yellowhorns were killed.

[Viktor Vladimirovich]

The speed with which the conscripts were captured after the Supreme Commander’s statement that they were not there is amazing.
Doesn't this mean anything to you?
It turns out that there are a lot of conscripts there, if the first DRG took soldiers, then this is a mass phenomenon.
Your mother, when will you stop our grandchildren not being fired upon!

[Napayz]

I think the minimum is that the unit commander will be removed... and imprisoned.

[Living7111972]

The names of conscript commanders in the studio! The creatures are annoying! I demand a special tribunal with the participation of parents. Ready to perform

[Li17]

Quote: sala7111972

Ready to perform

you have already been fulfilled.....