Military Review

The tactics of the RF Armed Forces make it possible to cut and block Ukrainian groups of troops with the exhaustion of their combat capability

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On the 14th day of the operation of the Russian troops in Ukraine, about 24 percent of the Ukrainian territory was under the control of the RF Armed Forces. About 6 million people live in these areas. At the same time, the network, including Runet, often began to flicker statements that “the Russian army has lost momentum”, “that the operation is not going according to plan”, that “it was possible to reach Lvov and back in 2 weeks”. The last of the presented tirades belongs to the notorious Yakov Kedmi, who burst into pessimistic maxims on the air at Vladimir Solovyov. The fact is that in two weeks one could really go “back” if one allows oneself to make a sharp rush to the West without completing a number of critical tasks, including the task of ensuring normal life in the territories of Ukraine taken under control.


One gets the impression that in a number of cases individual experts, having composed some kind of plan in their head, are trying to pass it off as the plan of the Russian command. And then suddenly they are seriously surprised why the actions of the RF Armed Forces do not coincide with the plan announced by them ...

Meanwhile, Russian troops are using tactics that minimize casualties and destruction. Russian troops do not make any Raqqa or Mosul from Ukrainian cities, and they are not going to do so. Enemy groupings are blocked in different areas and methodically destroyed if they are not ready to lay down weapon. Several large groups of Ukrainian troops and national battalions are immediately surrounded, deprived of supplies and cut into smaller ones, which are liquidated by pinpoint strikes and cross actions of the RF Armed Forces and the NM of the LPR. An example is the work in Rubizhne and Severodonetsk, advancement with a cleanup block by block in Mariupol.

The grouping of Ukrainian troops in Nikolaev, which a few days ago carried out sorties against the troops of the Russian Federation with bravura reports of local officials, is now forced to hide in the city, being squeezed from several sides and finding itself without communication from Kherson, Novaya Odessa, Snigirevka. A complete blockade of Ukrainian troops in Nikolaev is a matter of a matter of days. All that remains is the direction to the West along the Black Sea, so that the ring closes. Accordingly, after the completion of the operation to blockade Nikolaev, Russian troops, following the initially chosen tactics, will continue to advance towards the next regional center. And judging by the development of events, this may well turn out to be the Odessa direction, if only because the ring of distribution of Russian troops in the Odessa region is outlined quite clearly.

In the Zaporizhia region, the so-called Pologovskaya grouping of Ukrainian troops is blocked - in the area of ​​​​Gulyaipol. This allows you to move north and northeast. In the north of the Lugansk region, the troops went to the rear of the grouping of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the national battalions in the Rubezhno-Severodonetsk agglomeration, cutting it off from supplies and ways to retreat.

Thus, the RF Armed Forces are systematically, without any fever imposed by pseudo-experts, moving in a number of directions, cutting and blocking the groups of Ukrainian troops in such a way that they no longer have any opportunity to strike in the rear. The Ukrainian armed formations remaining in the encirclement without supplies are losing their combat effectiveness, remaining troops in fact only formally. Yes, they may not capitulate de jure, but their opportunity for any active hostilities is reduced to a minimum. Further, the cleansing units come into play, which bring to the logical conclusion the special operation in the territories that yesterday were under the control of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the National Battalions, marked by phrases in the style of "we will stand to the end." If only to your own. No problem - wait...

In this regard, you can talk about the “loss of pace” as much as you like, but the whole truth is that the Russian army, precisely at the chosen pace and implemented tactics, first fetters the enemy’s forces, forcing him to spend ammunition with great intensity, then cuts off the supply routes, and then closes in a dense ring, the exit from which is impossible due to the depletion of reserves and the fall to the extreme minimum of the very possibility of inflicting any serious blow. At the same time, the basic infrastructure is preserved. Losses among the civilian population, among those conducting the operation themselves, are minimized. At the same time, resources are saved and a rear cover is created.

PS Less than an hour ago, there were reports of the advance of the NM DPR in the next quarter of Mariupol with the defeat of one of the bases of the nationalist formation. It hunted by striking with the help of drones, which were equipped with mines or grenades, as a result of which they were dropped from a height. The complete blockade of Mariupol, advancing quarter by quarter, also allows the shock units not to engage in uncharacteristic business, but to move on - for example, to strike at the rear of the Ukrainian national battalions in the northwest direction.
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  1. Magellan
    Magellan 9 March 2022 15: 19
    +25
    Boilers are timeless classics. More boilers!
    1. Giant thought
      Giant thought 9 March 2022 15: 40
      +21
      The chosen tactics of our troops in Ukraine will be included in the textbooks of military science, it will be studied by both our enemies and our friends. One can only applaud our command, and there is no need to rush headlong, sanctions have already been imposed against us as much as they could. We will act, as the proverb says - hurry slowly.
      1. tikhonov66
        tikhonov66 9 March 2022 17: 41
        +5
        "...
        hurry up don't rush
        ..."
        - Hurry up slowly!
        8-)
    2. Skubudu
      Skubudu 9 March 2022 16: 11
      -35
      Approximately on the 3rd or 4th day of the war - the first bell rang ... the whole world saw it on TV. how pathetic that sounded...
      Today the second bell rang
      Oh, the campaign is coming war ... or shame ... or shame and war ...
      1. Clear
        Clear 9 March 2022 17: 05
        +10
        Quote: Skubudu
        Oh, the campaign is coming war ... or shame ... or shame and war ...

        It would be a shame, for sure, if ours did not strike first.
        Military operations, in our amateurish understanding, may drag on, but we definitely avoided the shame.
      2. Paranoid50
        Paranoid50 9 March 2022 17: 21
        +6
        Quote: Skubudu
        Oh, the campaign is coming war ... or shame ... or shame and war ...

        There, at the trunk on the avatar, the fly has not yet been cut down? wassat wassat wassat
      3. Filxnumx
        Filxnumx 9 March 2022 19: 26
        +5
        If your head continues to ring like this, see a specialist. Until the carriage arrived.
        1. sniperino
          sniperino 11 March 2022 11: 38
          +2
          Quote: Fil743
          If your head continues to ring like this, see a specialist.
          Only if the ringing is in the head, and if it is below the inguinal region, this is fate.
      4. Ros 56
        Ros 56 10 March 2022 07: 50
        +1
        Well, don't go into the basement.
    3. Imperium_Aeterna
      Imperium_Aeterna 9 March 2022 16: 16
      +19
      Boilers are good, but what to do with the Nazis in cities? Running around and yelling "surrender"? Or wait until the food and drink is over? If you count on this, then in vain, the grub will be squeezed out from the locals. Well, giving up is unlikely - these citizens do not fit under the concept of "denazification", and in no way. And the cities themselves are the most important transport hubs. Without controlling them, it is impossible to talk about any normal supply of the advancing troops. Will have to storm.

      The old Jew is right about something - the front stands for a week. Moreover, in the main directions, except for the LPR and the DPR, ours do not attack or defend. With the Armed Forces of Ukraine, too, everything is clear - they sit on the defensive and do not rock the boat. Kadyrovtsy in the amount of 20 thousand. people are looking for saboteurs, which is strange, given their training and equipment. Therefore, from our sofas, everything looks, to put it mildly, strange.
      1. Anatoly 288
        Anatoly 288 9 March 2022 17: 10
        +5
        In my opinion, the ideal option is to squeeze out this biomaterial to Europe, and let them show all their exceptional capabilities there, and the Europeans will see that they did not waste their money on raising “miracle heroes”. Europe ordered and paid for the music, so now let him listen to it!
        1. fruc
          fruc 9 March 2022 18: 19
          +8
          Anatoly 288:.....the ideal option is to squeeze this biomaterial into Europe.....

          It's too humane for them and in the long run a hemorrhoid for us. Only a car with recycling.
        2. Filxnumx
          Filxnumx 9 March 2022 19: 30
          +1
          The psheks have already squealed that they are against the secession of Galicia and the granting of independence to it. We'll have to face the "suddenly fait accompli."
        3. Incvizitor
          Incvizitor 9 March 2022 19: 34
          +1
          Only when they become full of them in the geyrop will they seize power there and again climb into the Russian Federation ...
        4. kimdmitri
          kimdmitri 10 March 2022 11: 38
          +4
          The nationalists, who managed to drape to the West, will become a convenient tool for the special services. They will be recruited and sent back to commit sabotage, terrorist, propaganda and subversive activities. This will only add to the hemorrhoids of our law enforcement agencies (and citizens).
      2. tikhonov66
        tikhonov66 9 March 2022 17: 51
        +12
        "...
        Running around and yelling "surrender"?
        ..."
        - If it seems to you that you live in a unique time, that this has never happened before
        - IT SEEMS TO YOU...
        8-))
        "...
        All that was left in this situation for the top of the Third Reich was to try to buy as much time as possible in the hope of some kind of “miracle weapon” that Hitler had so much hoped for.
        One such solution was the concept of "fortified cities". If the city previously occupied by the troops was surrounded by Soviet troops, then the German garrison sought to break through to its own in order to join the main forces and continue to fight. But if the city was declared a festung, that is, a "fortress", then the garrison should have held it for as long as possible, ignoring the very fact of encirclement. At the same time, no one gave promises to release the blockade, as it always was before, to the troops assigned to the festung. In fact, people were sent on a mission, from which it was possible to return alive only by violating the order.
        This cruel concept, however, was of real use. No offensive in an industrial war is possible without supplies - armies consume thousands of trucks and dozens of echelons of ammunition, food and fuel every day. The idea was to weaken this flow. After all, if the festung is located at the junction of transport communications and, although it is surrounded, it has not been taken for a long time, this means that nothing can still be transported through it.
        The city declared by the festung, of course, was additionally fortified. The defense was divided into sectors, the most probable directions of the enemy’s attack were pretended, everything was interrupted by trenches, the area was shrouded in a web of communications. Tank dangerous areas were blocked by special barricades. Their basis was a frame of welded rails, two meters high, the width of the entire street and a depth of four meters. The insides of this frame were covered with compressed earth and stones. The filled construction, which gained rigidity, was insurmountable for a tank ram, and was not shot from a cannon.

        These barricades, of course, were not located in the city by themselves. They were covered by machine-gun positions, minefields and fighters with faustpatrons. The same streets that did not have barricades led to the positions of anti-tank artillery hitting at point-blank range or tanks buried up to the tower.

        By the way, the Festung garrisons had no problems with artillery - the German units retreating in chaos often abandoned it due to lack of fuel and the failure of horse trains and tractors. This was used by the units assigned to the "fortified cities", strengthening their defenses.
        In a word, festungs were very tough nuts. But the Soviet side had something to oppose to such a trump card.

        Firstly, in the Red Army they actively introduced and used the tactics of assault groups. Its roots go back to the First World War. Then the Germans made the greatest contribution to the theory and practice of assault groups. Now the Russians had to borrow these weapons and turn them against their creators.
        The basic principle of assault groups was their ability to operate autonomously. This was necessary in order to quickly, before the enemy came to his senses, wedged into the city defenses in its weakest sections, without wasting time on leveling the front. The ability to fight autonomously from the main forces in urban conditions meant a lot.

        The backbone of the assault group usually consisted of three to four dozen fighters armed mainly with automatic weapons. They were given reinforcement - depending on the available resources and the nature of the task. These could be flamethrowers, mortars, crews of manually rolled 45-mm and 76-mm guns for direct fire. A 152-mm howitzer of 1909-1930 turned out to be a sudden find - having an impressive caliber and at the same time relatively small weight and size, it was well suited for urban battles.

        Tanks could also be attached to assault groups - medium T-34 or heavy IS-2. The latter had an impressive 122 mm gun. The fire of the last direct fire could bring down a house filled with soldiers and snarling with firing points if the shots successfully hit the ceilings. The 152-mm ISU-152 self-propelled gun coped with this task even better.
        Under cover of tanks and guns, bombarding basements and window openings with grenades, firing heavily from automatic weapons, attack aircraft slowly but surely broke their way through the enemy defenses. Therefore, the festungs eventually "gnawed".

        Kustrin, for example, held on for two whole months. Poznań, the most famous example of a festung, held out for a month. But the hefty Koenigsberg was taken in just a few days. Too large size in the case of festungs was rather a minus for the Germans - if the garrison could not tightly occupy the entire city, then weaknesses inevitably formed in the defense. Soviet assault groups skillfully groped for them and cut the defense into pieces, greatly weakening it.
        ..."
        https://tvzvezda.ru/news/20214161217-chI7y.html
        ...
      3. lis-ik
        lis-ik 9 March 2022 18: 20
        +6
        Quote from: Imperium_Aeterna
        Therefore, from our sofas, everything looks, to put it mildly, strange.

        Okay, that the front is worth it can be explained by the tactics described in the article, Podolyak described it in more detail, but the negotiations and meetings with the current Kiev authorities really make you wary and look not only strange, but very ...... strange. Moreover, it is strange to count on the loyalty of the local population after such negotiations, it turns out that we recognize them and leave them in power, and then the locals live with them.
        1. Filxnumx
          Filxnumx 9 March 2022 19: 55
          +3
          negotiations and meetings with the current Kiev authorities really make you wary and look not only strange, but very ...... strange.

          They go on and on, they do not influence the goals of the special operation, but they demonstrate a constant "readiness for dialogue." tongue Medinsky, they say, was not appointed in vain: he will talk half to death of anyone. Zelya is already ready to be neutral and discuss the independence of the LDNR and Crimea. You see, in a week (if he doesn’t run away earlier), he will sign denazification and recognize Novorossia within historical boundaries. Especially when his bodyguards are changed once again. To the "Kadyrovites".
      4. Misha Honest
        Misha Honest 9 March 2022 18: 41
        0
        Quote from: Imperium_Aeterna
        Will have to storm.

        Did you really understand this after 2 and a half weeks ... Well done (sarcasm)
      5. Ros 56
        Ros 56 10 March 2022 07: 53
        +2
        Therefore, from our sofas, everything looks, to put it mildly, strange.

        And it depends on the quality and quantity of gray matter in each individual.
      6. Denis Gureev
        Denis Gureev 10 March 2022 13: 08
        +3
        My couch opinion is that they will make an official statement, saying that the victims of the civilian population in the event of another disruption of the humanitarian corridor are solely on the conscience of the Ukronazis and the Kiev authorities, after which they will stupidly level the quarters with dug-in Nazis to the ground. In 1x: Russia has nothing to lose. In the 2nd - in the event of a retreat and a shameful peace agreement, our subsequent losses, incl. and the civilian population due to a possible civil war will be even more outrageous. Russia cannot lose this war in any way - essentially its existence is at stake
      7. Vladimir Petroff
        Vladimir Petroff 10 March 2022 17: 35
        +3
        Sometimes the expectation of action is harder and more difficult than the action itself. The troops in front of the enemy exert moral pressure. The enemy is aware of the presence of troops in front of him, but does not know where the main blow will be delivered. He is forced to stretch the defense, trying to cover as many directions of a possible strike as possible. And the reserves can not be removed.
    4. This is the main
      This is the main 9 March 2022 18: 35
      +2
      There are no longer boilers, but pots
    5. Evgenijus
      Evgenijus 9 March 2022 18: 53
      0
      Even Clausewitz does not say anything about boilers ...
    6. yehat2
      yehat2 10 March 2022 14: 27
      -2
      well, firstly, the boilers are formed somehow slowly, and secondly, the format of the operation itself does not allow the surrounded boilers to marinate as much as necessary. Therefore, I see only 1 effect from them - temporary paralysis of the ukrovoyak group. But this only works when you have a numerical advantage, and, well, at least 2 times. And we have almost parity in Ukraine, and that's not counting the territories. In general, I am not enthusiastic about the very fact of boilers.
      1. Andy_nsk
        Andy_nsk 11 March 2022 10: 46
        +1
        You are not fair to the RF Armed Forces. The operation has been going on for only two weeks, and the boilers are like pots in the kitchen! Compare with the Second World War: the battle for Kyiv lasted until September 26, i.e. three months after the start of the invasion. But Hitler's plan for a blitzkrieg is regarded as a standard for the actions of mobile forces, and they had a numerical superiority over the units of the Red Army stationed near the western border. And now our fighters, even without a numerical advantage, carry out operations much faster, and at the same time they try to minimize losses on non-combatants, honor and glory to them!
        1. yehat2
          yehat2 11 March 2022 10: 55
          -2
          And you did not confuse anything? Kyiv in 41 relied on the line of long-term defense and, unlike Stalin's line, combat-ready troops managed to take it. In addition, several hundred thousand people were engaged in the defense of the city - now the entire Ukrainian army hardly reaches 300k, and the technologies were somewhat different. In addition, although the Kiev direction, according to the Barbarossa plan, was important, it was not the main one, and the Wehrmacht forces operating in Ukraine were much inferior in terms of equipment to the central direction. I do not in the least detract from the successes of the Russian army, but you need to understand the difference between Kiev in 1941 and 2022. In addition, it is worth adding that when the Germans had the opportunity to attack Kiev from the north, it was completely surrounded in a matter of days. And we had a landing party from the beginning of the operation already in Gostomel!
          So no, the pace is not impressive, no miracles.
          1. Andy_nsk
            Andy_nsk 11 March 2022 11: 15
            +1
            I perfectly understand the difference, for example, now they are trying not to destroy the civilian population, Hitler did not adhere to such tactics. And the total number does not play a special role, the main thing is that the balance of power is not in favor of Russia. The Kiev direction was the main one for that period of the war, for the sake of it, Hitler even withdrew part of the troops from the direction to M-va and transferred them to Kyiv.
            And the most important difference: they don’t really want to take Kyiv now, it’s much more important to defeat Bandera in the Donbass and Mariupol, and Kyiv, perhaps, will not be stormed at all. Let them live. Still, they were once considered brothers
            1. yehat2
              yehat2 11 March 2022 12: 09
              0
              Quote from Andy_nsk
              The Kiev direction was the main one for that period of the war, for Hitler's sake, even from the direction

              mixed horses people ...
              According to the plan of Barbarossa, Kyiv was a secondary direction, which was planned to be taken by those forces that were only in the south. flank coverage by the forces of the central direction was NOT PLANNED. On this occasion, Guderian cried a lot and even flew to headquarters, trying to cancel the order. The Germans did not take into account that they would get stuck in the south - the problems began in the first hours. And all because the Red Army reacted to misinformation and the most combat-ready barrier was in Ukraine. And the encirclement of Kyiv became important in order to cover the already very stretched flanks of the center. This is an excursion into history.
              As for the goals of the operation, it doesn’t matter how many Bandera people in the Donbass are defeated. They were created in Kyiv and continue to be created. And Kyiv needs to be controlled in order for something to change. It is not necessary to take it - it will surrender itself, but you simply cannot bypass it.
        2. yehat2
          yehat2 11 March 2022 12: 14
          -1
          What's wrong with boilers? I say that they are useful only when you have noticeably more strength, otherwise the boilers are standing without tactical success. The problem is time. If in the Middle Ages besieged for 3 years, and in WW2 a couple of months, now the Russian army does not have so much time. For a couple of weeks, surrounded on dry land, they will hold out quite calmly. That is why boilers are of little use.
          1. Andy_nsk
            Andy_nsk 11 March 2022 13: 28
            0
            A couple of weeks you can not eat at all, but ammunition, especially shells and rockets for MLRS, will run out quickly. Modern warfare, as I see it from a chair in front of a computer, is 50 percent logistics: arrive, leave, bring, take, unload, charge. And the cargo goes in tens and hundreds of tons. How long can you sit in a cauldron without ammunition?
      2. sniperino
        sniperino 11 March 2022 12: 01
        +2
        Quote: yehat2
        boilers are formed somehow slowly
        Where does such an assessment come from? Have you formed many boilers in your life, or do you not see the difference between the tactics of the Nazis in 41 and our special operation?
        1. yehat2
          yehat2 11 March 2022 13: 47
          -1
          where is the score from? unlike you, I studied in detail how the Germans made boilers and there is a difference. Home - speed. Now a large encirclement is being prepared in the Donbass, but 2 weeks have already passed. I understand that there is more to it, but the boiler has two goals - not to release and reduce combat capability. But how is it in practice? There are warehouses, a shootout is going on, but sluggishly, because. sit in the cities. Those. combat effectiveness almost does not fall, and whoever wanted to leave has long been gone. As a result, the boiler has no tactical goals, except for secondary ones, such as restricting maneuver .. And what does the difference in operations have to do with it in general.
          Mariupol was surrounded. What is the purpose of this event? Name at least one not sucked from the finger. Azov can sit there for another couple of months, not really straining.
          1. sniperino
            sniperino 11 March 2022 14: 42
            0
            Quote: yehat2
            And at what here a difference in operations in general.
            The fact that the Nazis destroyed and enslaved, and we liberate and help. Did you not know this?
            1. yehat2
              yehat2 11 March 2022 15: 33
              -2
              you want to test your erudition in slogans?
              or maybe not a single Ukrainian died on the principle
              "Oh, I'm sorry you didn't get there by accident"?
              War is war, no matter what you call it.
              GDP could call the operation at least saving the world from the devil - this does not change the essence of what is happening.
              There are quite a few Ukrainians who have not heard Putin and believe that the Russian army came to rob, select and enslave. This is reality, not slogans or intentions. Why did it happen? Because they were told so.
              Who as when - no longer matters. If Simonyan worked out at least half of the money invested in her, Ukraine would have heard something else.
              But in fact, the army meets a lot of those who are not just hostile, they believe that it is necessary to provide maximum resistance and harm. And you can’t pull pacifism under such conditions, like an owl on a globe.
              1. sniperino
                sniperino 11 March 2022 17: 09
                0
                Quote: yehat2
                you want to test your erudition in slogans?
                or maybe not a single Ukrainian died
                Does Kyiv now also look like it did in 1941?
                Did the Germans care about the lives of the Ukrainians? Maybe the Russian Federation did not have the opportunity to turn Kyiv into dust in 2-3 days? Call the operation whatever you want, but don't lie.
                1. yehat2
                  yehat2 11 March 2022 17: 19
                  -2
                  you continue to communicate with slogans. This is disrespect. Do you think I haven't seen the ww2 photo?
                  1. sniperino
                    sniperino 11 March 2022 17: 23
                    +1
                    Quote: yehat2
                    you continue to communicate with slogans. This is disrespect.
                    Instead of answering questions, comparing the incomparable and denying the obvious - is this respect?
                    1. yehat2
                      yehat2 11 March 2022 17: 25
                      -3
                      deny what? I'm telling you that the Ukrainians do not care what soldiers are peaceful. They shoot and kill and there is inevitable return fire.
                      Maybe you yourself deny something?
                      1. sniperino
                        sniperino 11 March 2022 21: 33
                        -1
                        Quote: yehat2
                        Ukrainians don't care
                        Doesn't care that most of the Ukrainians were directly killed, robbed, raped by your Nazis and the Armed Forces of Ukraine, who fight hiding behind the backs of civilians, that their country was stuffed with NATO biological laboratories like a garbage can and are ready to give them a second Chernobyl? There are those who like to spit against the wind, but even Simonyan cannot help them. And most of both the freed people and those who fled to the West are glad that they managed to escape from their "defenders".
                      2. yehat2
                        yehat2 14 March 2022 13: 36
                        -3
                        Quote: sniperino
                        your Nazis

                        Yes? I wonder when they became mine
                        Quote: sniperino
                        but even Simonyan cannot help them.

                        every second Ukrainian needs a competent psychiatrist and rehabilitation for 2-3 years in a sanatorium without television and upheavals - many of them are in a state of constant hysteria.
                        And this will not be corrected not by Simonyan, nor by other propaganda, nor by the Russian army
                        Quote: sniperino
                        Armed Forces who fight behind the backs of civilians

                        The Armed Forces of Ukraine are also different - mostly cynical Nazis and careerists are hiding, they are also hiding behind the backs of other soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine who did not take refuge in civilians. If it were so, as you say, the Russian Army would already be in Odessa, Lvov and would stand tightly around Kyiv.
                        Quote: sniperino
                        most of the liberated people

                        and it is not you who decide, but the people themselves. And in Ukraine, so far, few people understand what the Russian army came to liberate from.
                        And ukroSMI have been telling them for 8 years that the Russian Federation came to free them from freedom and property, and for lack of alternative information, they believe in it.
  2. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 9 March 2022 15: 19
    +12
    It is sad that bandits are surrounded in cities, and not in open areas, where they could simply be burned to the ground.
    1. Incomprehensible
      Incomprehensible 9 March 2022 15: 29
      +17
      Quote: stock buildbat
      It is sad that bandits are surrounded in cities, and not in open areas, where they could simply be burned to the ground.

      They are long gone in the open. Don't go fools, these Natsiks, go head-to-head with the fighters of the Russian Federation.
      1. Baloo
        Baloo 9 March 2022 15: 36
        +1
        Quote: Vladimirets
        Yes, this is understandable - good and fast only at the computer with beer. Ukrainian fascists are not Georgians or Syrian barmaleys. Despite their stubbornness (or thanks to it), they are not fools and many know how to fight.

        Do these banderpo-fascists know what the Americans were doing in their military biological laboratories on the territory of Ukraine? They developed biological weapons of an ethnic type - selectively for persons of the Slavic genotype! Those. Ukraine and the Armed Forces of Ukraine were like guinea pigs for them. Why is the West trying to strangle Russia? According to a report prepared for the world government, after 2030. Russia is the only territory with cheap raw materials. They need Ukraine as a springboard for conquering Russia like Ukraine 2.0. As well as Kazakhstan, in which American biological laboratories studied the possibility of using livestock to transport especially dangerous infections for spread through the livestock trade in the bazaars of Central Asia. Bandera-fascists are not in the house, that they are cannon fat for the West.
        1. Bolt cutter
          Bolt cutter 9 March 2022 16: 36
          +7
          selectively for persons of the Slavic genotype!
          Such a weapon will wipe out the Poles and Czechoslovaks, and in Russia it will be ineffective due to the unique diversity of the gene pool of Russians - the Empire, after all. And the Tatars, and the Buryats, and the Jews and the Koreans, have intermixed genes in the average Russian / Russian. In your entrance, the inhabitants are more genetically diverse than in a small town in Poland.
          1. Ol willy
            Ol willy 10 March 2022 08: 50
            -14
            Speak for yourself, diverse, I have no non-Russians in my family
            1. Bolt cutter
              Bolt cutter 10 March 2022 10: 29
              +5
              I have no non-Russians in my family
              So you are on your father's side, yes laughing ?
            2. certero
              certero 10 March 2022 12: 31
              0
              Actually, your comment is Nazi through and through. Russia is a great country because every nationality has a place here
              1. Ol willy
                Ol willy 11 March 2022 02: 03
                -2
                Russia was built and defended by Russians for centuries. Well, also the Tatars, they have been with us for a long time. The rest are literally recent passengers
            3. sniperino
              sniperino 11 March 2022 12: 11
              +2
              Quote: Ol Willy
              I have no non-Russians in my family
              True Aryan? You can get a job as an exhibit in the ethnographic museum.
            4. yehat2
              yehat2 11 March 2022 12: 17
              -1
              where did you get it from? Here I am, according to my passport, Russian, but half Belarusian, and if you look at these halves, then Russian by a quarter, Belarusian by 1/8. And so do you. The fact that in the USSR everyone was recorded as Russian in a row does not mean at all that the genotype is the same
              1. sniperino
                sniperino 11 March 2022 17: 18
                0
                Quote: yehat2
                where did you get it from?
                From there, to whom answered
                Quote: Ol Willy
                I have no non-Russians in my family
              2. Ol willy
                Ol willy 11 March 2022 23: 16
                0
                Belarusians are part of the Russian ethnic group. I also have ancestors from Bukovina, also part of the Russian ethnic group
      2. YOUR
        YOUR 9 March 2022 15: 46
        +2
        And in the cities it will not be too sweet. Heavy equipment will be gradually knocked out. Aviation, drones. Only a light rifle will remain. They will kill.
      3. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 9 March 2022 15: 57
        -16
        "They have not been in open areas for a long time." ///
        ---
        Supply columns of the Russian army and reinforcements of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are burning in open areas, and not in cities. And they do not burn from the air, but from the ground, at close range.
        The Russian army controls only highways. Country roads are neutral territory.
        1. Vladimir 290
          Vladimir 290 9 March 2022 16: 11
          -4
          When was the last time you were there to know about it in detail? And with the columns we have already passed everything, I think the commanders know everything. And in general, if you have not forgotten, there is a Russian saying "in a war, not without those killed." no one canceled the mistakes, gouging, just accidents. And these, they will finish off in the forests, there is someone.
        2. Paranoid50
          Paranoid50 9 March 2022 16: 16
          -8
          Quote: voyaka uh
          Supply columns of the Russian army and reinforcements of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are burning in open areas,

          Leshenka, baby, who let you go from a quiet hour? Just don't say you're a teacher. am laughing
        3. ABC-schutze
          ABC-schutze 9 March 2022 16: 25
          -2
          Well, firstly, "supply columns" (ammunition, fuel, equipment, etc.) and "reinforcements" (personnel, weapons and equipment), these are qualitatively different concepts ...

          Secondly, it is precisely the "reinforcements of the Armed Forces of Ukraine" that the Russians are burning everywhere. Both on the roads and on country roads. They simply don't "reach" the cities anymore...

          The supply columns of the RF Armed Forces, which reached the "cities" occupied by the Russian Armed Forces, in fact, arrived at their destination and completed the task. And it is very difficult to "burn" them there ...

          So, the routes are the "only" place where you can at least "somehow" try to "get" them. And less and less successful...

          The Russian army has no need now, to ensure the safety of the movement of columns, "to control the country roads" ALL THE TIME. it is enough for her to control the approaches to the roads and the nearest country roads before and during the movement of the columns ...

          Something like that...
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 9 March 2022 17: 02
            +4
            "reached" cities "occupied by the Russian Armed Forces" ///
            ---
            So far there is only one such city - Kherson. The rest is villages.
            The Russian army is based outside the cities, near cities that are called "under the control of the Russian army"
            1. tikhonov66
              tikhonov66 9 March 2022 17: 56
              -2
              "...
              So far there is only one such city - Kherson. The rest is villages.
              ..."
              - at least call it a pot ...
              8-)
            2. ABC-schutze
              ABC-schutze 9 March 2022 23: 59
              +2
              Ah, that's how... "Only one" city means...

              Well, then show the forum who in the world, when and where, over the past 20 - 30 years, it turned out to do "it" better and faster. With the same number of troops and forces leading offensive operations. And their ratio with the forces of the defending side is the same as in the "Kherson direction". With the same size of the territory covered by the operation. Isn't NATO and Uncle Sam?.. I'm all attention ...

              By the way, there are only one or two "destroyed columns" of supply, not "many" at all ...

              And it would be strange if they were not, if they are sent without prior reconnaissance of the route and escort. And there is no need to tell that "Russian planners" are not taught this. Everyone is taught everything that is "what is necessary" and everything is "how it is necessary."

              Alas, up to some "especially gifted", incl. and with shoulder straps with "two gaps", it does not immediately come to light that they are at war, where the "rear" is until the operation is completed, the concept is very conditional. And where "relaxed", to put it mildly, is not welcome and punishable. And entrust the acquisition and provision of the wiring of these columns to the "old", he would IMMEDIATELY cope with this more successfully ...

              Yes, alas, WE HAVE, STILL, from the time of the "Soviet" "winter" war, up to 25% of losses, as they often said in NSh, from disorganization, especially in the initial period. But this does not mean at all that the "purpose and intent" of the operation are erroneous and vicious. And that it "fails" somewhere there and somewhere there it "gets stuck" ...

              By the way, what you called "villages", in fact, there are settlements occupied by the enemy and prepared in advance for defense. In which there is also a population. And since the Russian Armed Forces are conducting a liberation operation on OWN, and not on "foreign" territory (which, for obvious reasons, is not officially advertised in the information field), to act on it "equalizing everything with the ground" alas, "not our method" . For sim, it also takes time ...

              And we will not discuss the fact that these liberated territories will no longer "go away" from us. It's an axiom...

              The Russian army, concentrating outside the cities, blocks the large enemy groupings concentrated there. Depriving them of the opportunity to interact and, in general, actively influence the course of events. And he does it right...

              For an incomparably more important task, to ensure the military security of Russia, is the reliable, complete and irreversible "cutting off" of the United States and NATO from the entire Black Sea coast of the former united Ukraine, with the laying of a land corridor up to Tiraspol. And taking under full and irreversible control of the entire nuclear potential on the territory of the former united Ukraine.

              And the blocked "large cities" will not "run away" anywhere. As well as those blocked in them, the groups of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the Bandera gang. But this already, in the "power plan" will be the solution to the problem of military and police "cleansing the rear" ...

              And not the military and political defeat of the opposing side, which will have to accept the conditions on which the Russian side will "stop".

              Although, of course, I believe and even personally observe with what stupid euphoria the mass Western citizen "chews the noodles" of his "propagandist experts" that "Putin" fails to "take the big cities." Although "Ten days have already passed" ... And that the former united Ukraine "has already won the war." And here everything is simple.

              The guys are scared. The guys understand what everything is for THEIR plans, in the end it will end. Moreover, quickly, in a month - one and a half... The guys are forced to "calm down loudly" themselves... Moreover, they do not think about the fact that they will have to "talk" further. Because ABSOLUTELY they don’t know THIS, not owning the situation ...
              1. Ros 56
                Ros 56 10 March 2022 07: 57
                -1
                That's right, but the hasty and clumsy, they are the same in Africa, and therefore fall on the food of predators.
          2. Igoresha
            Igoresha 9 March 2022 17: 25
            +4
            not all columns of the Russian Federation reached - the abandoned Shilka and armored personnel carriers of paratroopers are an example of this.
            The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation acknowledged the facts of the presence in the NVO zone and the capture of conscripts from supply convoys who delivered goods to the army in the field.
            1. Paranoid50
              Paranoid50 10 March 2022 00: 05
              +2
              Quote: Igoresha
              -Abandoned Shilka and armored personnel carriers of paratroopers are an example of this.

              Come on... belay The most accurate... laughing Okay, a bit of history: during the rapid transition through the great Khingan, quite a lot of armored personnel carriers went out of order, but mostly they were veterans of armored vehicles. And on narrow mountain roads, not being able to carry out repairs, they were simply thrown down so as not to lose the pace of advancement. And yet they jumped out into the open in the shortest possible time - the result is known. Here is the same topic: the paratroopers went into a fast breakthrough, and, of course, some part of the equipment will fail on the march -100% is almost impossible to ensure. And on such a march, poking around in the car, wasting precious time, is simply suicidal. And they just leave the car. By the way, the aforementioned "Shilka" old women, apparently, still could not withstand the rapid pace .. If the main forces move forward after the advanced units, then all the equipment left behind will be collected and sent to Rembaza. Well, if Natsiks or repulsed locals come across, they can burn and break, which, in principle, is also not so critical - the allowable percentage of losses on materiel is initially laid down during planning. This is so, "on top". yes
            2. ABC-schutze
              ABC-schutze 10 March 2022 00: 06
              -3
              So Shilka and armored personnel carriers were "abandoned" or destroyed? .. Do not specify, for clarity. And what should the aforementioned "paratroopers" do, in the absence of fuel? .. "Guard" Shilka with armored personnel carriers, or, having dismantled equipment that is not "on the move" to advance further"? ..
              1. Igoresha
                Igoresha 10 March 2022 10: 18
                -1
                without fuel?
                here. since we rushed forward, it means that the authorities planned what, but something went wrong ..

                mentioned old women - "Shilki"
                they stood evenly in the landing, in a line, not broken, but most likely without fuel .. the locals poured gasoline over them. True, a week later, the base near Chernigov was covered, with armored vehicles, one way or another compensated
        4. vervolk
          vervolk 9 March 2022 16: 59
          -5
          this is some in the head of a neutral territory, in the imagination, so to speak. Since the second Chechen and Syrian campaign. The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation know and are able to drive supply and support columns without losses. And yes, about such columns burned, this is fake, stuffing and not true.
          1. for
            for 9 March 2022 18: 16
            -3
            Quote: vervolk
            And yes, about such columns burned, this is fake, stuffing and not true.

            Conscripts are also stuffing, fake ....
            1. Ros 56
              Ros 56 10 March 2022 07: 59
              -2
              Conscripts, this is the gouging of officers and will be rewarded accordingly.
              1. certero
                certero 10 March 2022 12: 34
                -1
                Many boys want to get a "combatant". Including conscripts. , most of those who are discussing here being eighteen-year-old boys in the army would also like this
        5. Bolt cutter
          Bolt cutter 9 March 2022 17: 00
          -2
          APU harness in open area
          Almost always, on the outskirts of settlements, where they later hide. By the way, the video about the broken columns in the channels of the Ukronatsiks is becoming less and less, and there are more and more reports of the heroic retreat of the brothers in the caches to Bandera.
          I recommend the book by Igor Miroshnichenko (5th in Wiesenthal's list yes ) and his friends, even there there is less and less bravado.
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 9 March 2022 17: 20
            +9
            "there is less and less bravado" ///
            ---
            The bravado, if you notice, is less on both sides.
            The war is dragging on. Both sides have heavy losses.
            Ukraine is being crushed by Russian troops, Russia is being strangled by sanctions that paralyze its industry and financial system.
            If Russia does not achieve serious success over the next week, the "special operation" will have to be recognized ... how to put it mildly? - skidding.
            1. Misha Honest
              Misha Honest 9 March 2022 18: 48
              -8
              Quote: voyaka uh
              slipping.

              The commanding staff - stupid - they know how to build dachas for themselves - only they were not taught to fight for real ... Shame.
            2. Ros 56
              Ros 56 10 March 2022 08: 04
              +2
              What do we have there with industry and finances, famine has come or factories have stopped, trains have stopped running? Let's see how the West will feel in the next six months and what they will eat next winter and how to drown.
        6. yehat2
          yehat2 11 March 2022 17: 24
          -2
          you are really talking nonsense. Yes, strikes are made on the rear movements of the Russian Federation, but firstly, very rarely. Secondly, more often you see videos and photos with burnt abandoned equipment and think that there are really partisans there. Finally, thirdly, due to the dominance of Russian aviation, the Ukrainian forces were left with practically no transport - and in such conditions you can’t run around the fields especially. In general, there is nothing special to control there - all the movement within a radius of 10 km around settlements.
      4. Misha Honest
        Misha Honest 9 March 2022 18: 45
        -12
        Quote: Incomprehensible
        Don't go fools, these Natsiks, go head-to-head with the fighters of the Russian Federation.

        But our fools - or rather their commanders ... The cities are not busy ... until now. Ours is unsuccessful ... A disgrace.
        1. The contemplative
          The contemplative 9 March 2022 21: 13
          +2
          And what about civilians, behind whose backs these creatures are hiding - also to zero? No, brother, we are not them.
          1. Misha Honest
            Misha Honest 9 March 2022 23: 08
            -3
            Brother, in order to save civilians, you must first occupy the cities, otherwise the Nazis will continue to kill them ... This should have been done on the very first day - to occupy the largest cities of the Outskirts and not let any rabble go there.
            1. Repellent
              Repellent 9 March 2022 23: 26
              +2
              Quote: Misha Honest
              in order to save civilians, you must first occupy the cities, otherwise the Nazis will kill them like that ... This should have been done on the very first day - to occupy the largest cities of the Outskirts and not let any rabble go there

              Phew... given:

              - "rabble" is already there, in the city. The commandant's office, the other garrison ... are they skerry in the field? Shhzzz...
              - tell me how to "occupy" the city of Moscow now, for example. Just wondering how you imagine it, purely technically
              - if you can’t answer (and you can’t. And no one can, this task is not being solved), stop embarrassing yourself.

              I said yes
              1. Misha Honest
                Misha Honest 10 March 2022 01: 16
                -2
                Quote: Repellent
                - "rabble" is already there, in the city. The commandant's office, the other garrison ... are they skerry in the field? Shhzzz...
                - tell me how to "occupy" the city of Moscow now, for example. Just wondering how you imagine it, purely technically

                And are there many soldiers in the garrison or commandant's office in Moscow right now? Basically, everything is on bases that have already been hit. The rest is outside the city. Until they gather, while they carry out reconnaissance, hours will pass (well, if). During this time, it is already possible to overcome almost the entire city - at least the key points for sure.
                1. Repellent
                  Repellent 10 March 2022 01: 23
                  +1
                  Quote: Misha Honest
                  And are there many soldiers in the garrison or commandant's office in Moscow right now?

                  In order not to tire: 27th separate guards motorized rifle brigade (Teply Stan)

                  In service: 41 units. T-90A, 42 units BMP-3, 98 units BTR-82A, 27 units BTR-80A, 18 units 152 mm SG 2S3 "Acacia", 18 units. 120 mm mortars 2S12 "Sani", 4 units. BRDM-2, 6 units BM 9A34 "Strela-10", 6 units. ZSU 2S6M "Tunguska", 27 units. MANPADS 9K38 "Igla"

                  This is only one part, located directly in Moscow. Enough?

                  Quote: Misha Honest
                  During this time, it is already possible to overcome almost the entire city - at least key points for sure

                  Take a little, you have to keep. How long do you plan to keep? What forces? Budyonny laughing
                  1. Misha Honest
                    Misha Honest 10 March 2022 01: 31
                    -2
                    Quote: Repellent
                    (Teply Stan)

                    Too little - yes Teply Stan - on the outskirts of Moscow. Until they get there ... And then if they have not already been hit.
                    Quote: Repellent
                    Take a little, you have to keep. How long do you plan to keep? What forces? Budyonny

                    You probably already read it in another thread.
                    1. Repellent
                      Repellent 10 March 2022 01: 39
                      -1
                      So. Let's go in order.

                      Quote: Misha Honest
                      Until they get...

                      Where? You are storming Moscow, where will you land?

                      Quote: Misha Honest
                      And then if they have not already been hit

                      You didn't say anything about the "strike", Budyonny.

                      Quote: Misha Honest
                      You probably already read in another thread.

                      No, they "read" it to me when you weren't in the project yet. So? The question remains. You have lost miserably so far, your landing has been defeated, and you yourself are in poop ... my apologies request
                      1. Misha Honest
                        Misha Honest 10 March 2022 01: 50
                        0
                        Quote: Repellent
                        Where? You are storming Moscow, where will you land?

                        Radio, communications, television, military facilities, police, hospitals, chemical facilities, administrative facilities, water supply, gas, gas stations, power stations. Perhaps I missed something... request
                        Quote: Repellent
                        You didn't say anything about the "strike", Budyonny.

                        In the topic where we are arguing with you about the outskirts - he said. But in general, not a single adequate person will arrange a landing on the enemy's head without a preventive strike on military infrastructure.
                        Quote: Repellent
                        No, they "read" it to me when you weren't in the project yet. So? The question remains. You have lost miserably so far, your landing has been defeated, and you yourself are in poop ...

                        Nothing of the kind - we communicate with you in two topics at once on VO.) And on the same practically the same topic)
                      2. Repellent
                        Repellent 10 March 2022 02: 01
                        -1
                        Quote: Misha Honest
                        Radio, communications, television, military facilities, police, hospitals, chemical facilities, administrative facilities, water supply, gas, gas stations, power stations. Perhaps I missed something...

                        Blood, sweat, sand, d-mo and girlish tears... request

                        Where do you get so many people from?
                        - not a single helicopter will reach the objects you named, it will be shot down on approach to the city
                        - I’m silent about the list of objects ... what the hell are hospitals and television with communication for you?

                        Quote: Misha Honest
                        not a single adequate person will arrange a landing on the head of the enemy without a preventive strike on military infrastructure

                        That is, you propose to first hit Moscow, and then capture and hold it with very finite forces? You know... I just don't have the words laughing

                        In short, Budyonny: you lost. Your landing is on fire, you have not captured anything, let alone held it. Facepalm.
                      3. Misha Honest
                        Misha Honest 10 March 2022 02: 13
                        -2
                        Quote: Repellent
                        Where do you get so many people from?

                        Well, if you represent me now for NATO, then the people are above the roof. (Besides, who, apart from NATO, needs Moscow at all?)
                        Quote: Repellent
                        - not a single helicopter will reach the objects you named, it will be shot down on approach to the city

                        With escort and subject to the suppression of air defense and ground bases, it will fly. Remember Matthias Rust, but then there was still the USSR, not like the current Russian Federation.
                        Quote: Repellent
                        - I’m silent about the list of objects ... what the hell are hospitals and television with communication for you?

                        Television, radio, mobile communications and the Internet - in general, all communications - are always the first target.
                        Quote: Repellent
                        That is, you propose to first hit Moscow, and then capture and hold it with very finite forces?

                        In fact, it was you who proposed Moscow as the goal. Why should I? Just as an example, I played along.)

                        Quote: Repellent
                        In short, Budyonny: you lost. Your landing is on fire, you have not captured anything, let alone held it.

                        I do not agree with you.
                      4. Repellent
                        Repellent 10 March 2022 02: 26
                        +1
                        Quote: Misha Honest
                        Remember Matthias Rust, but then the USSR was still

                        Rust was allowed to take off, in particular, Sokolov.

                        Quote: Misha Honest
                        Television, radio, mobile communications and the Internet - in general, all communications are always the first goal.

                        Depends on tasks. To capture and hold the city, they did not rest against the side, it is easier to turn them off. Which, by the way, they did in Kyiv.

                        Quote: Misha Honest
                        I do not agree with you

                        Your business. I "defeated" you, and whether you agree or not is all the same. Over yes
                      5. sniperino
                        sniperino 11 March 2022 12: 33
                        0
                        Quote: Misha Honest
                        And besides, who, apart from NATO, needs Moscow at all?
                        Some commander in the Ukrainian army promised to hold a parade in Moscow.
            2. Ros 56
              Ros 56 10 March 2022 08: 07
              0
              You probably have an iconostasis worse than that of Zhukov and the rank is not lower than marshal ???
    2. flicker
      flicker 9 March 2022 15: 36
      +5
      not in the open
      They will never go there, there is no human shield like in the city.
    3. Thrifty
      Thrifty 9 March 2022 15: 43
      -2
      In light of the statement that the Kremlin does not plan and does not want a change of power in the non-country, all these bravura statements and statements do not inspire confidence ... What is the use of the environment if the Nazis terrorize and kill civilians? Kadyrov was right when he demanded and asked to speed up the operation , and give his military the opportunity to clean up Mariupol, Kyiv, Odessa themselves ...
      1. Flooding
        Flooding 9 March 2022 16: 00
        -1
        Quote: Thrifty
        these bravura statements and statements do not inspire confidence


        bravura - ostentatious, frivolous courage; aimlessly daring trick (obsolete)

        read the Kremlin's statements between the lines
        I understand them in such a way that there are a couple of trump cards on hand
        1. Thrifty
          Thrifty 9 March 2022 16: 56
          +2
          Navodlom-I read what is written, because between the lines there is only a clean space. And, a pair of trump cards and you can’t see close, even one ...
          1. Flooding
            Flooding 9 March 2022 17: 01
            -1
            Quote: Thrifty
            Navodlom-I read what is written, because between the lines there is only a clean space. And, a pair of trump cards and you can’t see close, even one ...

            be patient a little
            do not judge hastily
            so make a mistake
            1. The contemplative
              The contemplative 9 March 2022 21: 14
              +1
              Exactly. Ukronatsiki themselves will not let you lie.
          2. tikhonov66
            tikhonov66 9 March 2022 18: 00
            -5
            "...
            And, a pair of trump cards and you can’t see close, even one ...
            ..."
            - dear, when you sat down to play cards - so your opponents probably always showed their trump cards ...
            - Yes ?
            They spoiled you...
            eight-))))
            - and here you - not here!
            1. Misha Honest
              Misha Honest 9 March 2022 18: 52
              -1
              Quote: tikhonov66
              And, a pair of trump cards and you can’t see close, even one ...

              Yes, we pissed so many of them ...
              Quote: tikhonov66
              - dear, when you sat down to play cards - so your opponents probably always showed their trump cards ...
              - Yes ?
              They spoiled you...
              eight-))))
              - and here you - not here!

              Any student will answer this - that you never play with a sharper according to the rules !!! So why do Russians play by the rules??? whether???
        2. Paranoid50
          Paranoid50 9 March 2022 17: 22
          -2
          Quote: Flood
          read the Kremlin's statements between the lines

          I beg your pardon, but in this case you are demanding the impossible - what is there ... wassat
    4. XNUMX%
      XNUMX% 9 March 2022 16: 17
      -3
      That's why they are bandits. If you do not notice them, they come from behind and take you by the throat. I hope there will be no further illusions in Ukraine about what to do with the bandits. They must be destroyed in the most humiliating and disgusting ways, mercilessly and inexorably, and not wait until they go out into the open field to "honestly" fight.
      The first one is completely justified. And the second has always been a mistake that is redeemed ... with the blood of the innocent. With the blood of children, the elderly, women... the blood of innocently tortured people. Such wounds do not heal. This can no longer be allowed.
      1. tikhonov66
        tikhonov66 9 March 2022 18: 01
        -2
        "...
        If you do not notice them, they come from behind and take you by the throat.
        ..."
        - why is it "not to notice them" ?!
        "them" in the thermal imager - you can clearly see it!
        8-))
        1. XNUMX%
          XNUMX% 9 March 2022 18: 22
          +1
          It's too late to consider them in a thermal imager, but it's not too late to destroy them.
    5. fruc
      fruc 9 March 2022 18: 30
      +1
      Reserve construction battalion: ... It's sad that bandits are surrounded in cities

      The Nazis do not suffer from a lack of memory. They have learned the lessons of Debaltseve well.
    6. yehat2
      yehat2 11 March 2022 12: 24
      -1
      bandits do not live in the fields, it was clear at once.
  3. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 9 March 2022 15: 19
    +15
    Yes, this is understandable - good and fast only at the computer with beer. Ukrainian fascists are not Georgians or Syrian barmaleys. Despite their stubbornness (or thanks to it), they are not fools and many know how to fight.
    1. Magellan
      Magellan 9 March 2022 15: 21
      +8
      Quote: Vladimirets
      they are not fools and many know how to fight

      Since 2014, admittedly, they have pumped.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 9 March 2022 17: 07
        -6
        If the Kremlin had realized this before February 24, then there would have been no special operation.
        1. Paranoid50
          Paranoid50 9 March 2022 17: 24
          -6
          Quote: voyaka uh
          then there would be no special operation.

          Leshenka, baby, she-bo, irrepressible - run home as soon as possible, you don’t need to talk to adult uncles ... laughing
        2. tikhonov66
          tikhonov66 9 March 2022 18: 06
          -2
          did not guess.
          The Naglossaxes left neither the "Kremlin" nor the "Svidomo" a choice.
          .
          It's like that old joke.
          Doorbell.
          -- Who's there?
          - Good Services Bureau. Open - you order.
          - Did you order a fight?
          - no, no, what are you - what other fight ?!
          - Don't worry - EVERYTHING IS PAID! - BAM!!!
        3. yehat2
          yehat2 11 March 2022 12: 31
          -3
          The Kremlin saw everything perfectly. The problems were in the most contradictory goal-setting of the operation. For example, the troops were prescribed the most passive behavior, which immediately led to unjustified losses (they forgot how it was in Chechnya). In addition, while Ukraine has been developing effective tactics for just such conditions for many years, the Russian headquarters has not made any attempts to somehow improve its tactics based on the experience of the past 15 years. The operation is carried out on a very outdated tracing paper. Hence most of the problems. In addition, it suddenly turned out that 70% of the latest weapons, as Shoigu said, suddenly turned into 40% not quite the latest and 60% outdated, which is why the operation also experiences a bunch of purely technical problems. Those. headquarters relied on false data about its combat readiness
        4. sniperino
          sniperino 11 March 2022 12: 43
          0
          Quote: voyaka uh
          If the Kremlin had realized this before February 24, then there would have been no special operation.
          Do you only read thoughts from a distance, or do you read secret documents too?
    2. tikhonov66
      tikhonov66 9 March 2022 18: 34
      0
      I don’t know how the “Georgians” are, but “they knew how to fight” - both the Syrian “barmaley” and the German fascists
      - did not help.
      1. Misha Honest
        Misha Honest 9 March 2022 19: 02
        -2
        Quote: tikhonov66
        I don’t know how the “Georgians” are, but “they knew how to fight” - both the Syrian “barmaley” and the German fascists
        - did not help.

        It’s just that ours apparently forgot how ... (
  4. GELEZNII_KAPUT
    GELEZNII_KAPUT 9 March 2022 15: 21
    +3
    WarGonzo has just prepared a report about the destroyed base of the so-called "Bears".
  5. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 9 March 2022 15: 23
    -1
    The tactics of the RF Armed Forces allow cutting and blocking Ukrainian groups of troops

    The tactics of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation should determine who to pour the rod and give a kick to the side, and who to take to the parapet.
    1. Emergency
      Emergency 9 March 2022 17: 05
      +3
      It's better to go nowhere. Fill up in the heat of battle and unsubscribe is not necessary. And that's the thing. You start collecting information about the prisoner, so it turns out that this gn-ida cut our heads on camera. You exchange the dog, and the prosecutors are right there. They, too, on a tunic of glitters, oh, how you want. And the office went to write. So it's better right away, and after no-no.
      1. tikhonov66
        tikhonov66 9 March 2022 18: 56
        +1
        If it seems to you that you live in a unique time and are witnessing unique events - YOU SEEMS.
        .
        When the Crusaders stormed the city of Béziers in the 13th century, they asked the papal legate how to distinguish heretics from true believers. The abbot gave an answer that forever covered the Catholic Church with shame: “Kill everyone. The Lord knows his own." And up to 5000 inhabitants of the city were destroyed.
        The brutal Nazi bombing of the center of Warsaw in 1939, the destruction of Rotterdam in May 1940, the raid on Coventry in November 1940.
        As a result of Anglo-Saxon raids on civilian cities in Germany, about 700 thousand Germans died, including 80 thousand children. Bingen - destroyed by 96%. Dessau - destroyed by 80%. Chemnitz - 75% destroyed. Small and large, industrial and university, full of refugees or clogged with military industry - German cities, as the British marshal promised, one after another turned into smoldering ruins. Stuttgart - destroyed by 65%. Magdeburg - destroyed by 90%. Cologne - destroyed by 65%. Hamburg - destroyed by 45%. The most famous episode of the bombing tragedy in the spring of 1945 was the destruction of Dresden. At the time of the bombing on February 13, 1945, there were about 640 refugees in the city with a population of 100 thousand people.
        As a result of the bombing, the city was completely destroyed, the number of victims was at least 30 thousand people. The exact number of victims of the bombing has not yet been established (it is reliably known that individual charred corpses were removed from the basements of houses until 1947). Some sources, whose reliability, however, is being questioned, give numbers up to 130 and even up to 200 thousand people.

        And when the US dropped atomic bombs on Japan...
        .
        - So this is all "CIVILIZED" Europe.
        .
        But Russians - SO - never act.
        1. yehat2
          yehat2 11 March 2022 16: 33
          -2
          Well, let's think.
          Kazan - nullification
          Novgorod - nullification
          Kyiv - nullification
          Bakhchisaray - nullification
          say they don't? request
      2. yehat2
        yehat2 11 March 2022 16: 04
        -2
        this is convenient, but does not agree well with the moral principles that we have adopted
        1. Emergency
          Emergency 11 March 2022 16: 10
          0
          I can cite the words of a soldier on this, only on another occasion in a famous film.
  6. Foul skeptic
    Foul skeptic 9 March 2022 15: 25
    -11
    In this regard, you can talk about the “loss of pace” as much as you like, but the whole truth is that the Russian army, precisely at the chosen pace and implemented tactics, first fetters the enemy’s forces

    The events of the first days tell a different story. It's just that now public opinion is being restructured to fit the new realities.
  7. Fluoride11
    Fluoride11 9 March 2022 15: 27
    -1
    To the question of the strongest army in Europe. Can the army of Ukraine be attributed to this indicator at the moment? I mean that everyone writes they say France, Turkey, Italy, Spain, Great Britain. But do they really have such combat experience as the Ukrainian army? And what real place can be put at the moment the army of Ukraine? Will I be right that for example I will put it in 4th place after France, Great Britain and Turkey?
    1. Ural resident
      Ural resident 9 March 2022 16: 08
      +3
      Quote: Fluoride11
      To the question of the strongest army in Europe. Can the army of Ukraine be attributed to this indicator at the moment? I mean that everyone writes they say France, Turkey, Italy, Spain, Great Britain. But do they really have such combat experience as the Ukrainian army? And what real place can be put at the moment the army of Ukraine? Will I be right that for example I will put it in 4th place after France, Great Britain and Turkey?

      Well, it's not weak, that's for sure. Firstly, the Nazis - they are pumped up with ideology and motivated, and secondly, the Russians in the Armed Forces of Ukraine, who will stubbornly resist even without an idea, because they do not give up in character. A huge amount of equipment, ammunition, excellent communications and all NATO intelligence.
  8. flicker
    flicker 9 March 2022 15: 32
    -1
    The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation are moving systematically, without any fever imposed by pseudo-experts, in a number of directions
    All true.
    And these experts are apparently from World of Tanks. This is where they can deal with anyone in a couple of hours.
  9. svoit
    svoit 9 March 2022 15: 35
    -1
    Any blocking consumes resources, and does not increase them, so blocking large cities at the initial stage can still be understood, but it is already more difficult to understand people like Gulyaipole
    The National Guard can also clean up large cities, but on condition that heavy equipment is knocked out
    1. darkesstcat
      darkesstcat 9 March 2022 15: 54
      0
      Defense knots. If you go straight to the assault, you get to the hailstones, and the enemy is hiding in the building.
      1. tikhonov66
        tikhonov66 9 March 2022 18: 09
        0
        1945g
        The basic principle of assault groups was their ability to operate autonomously. This was necessary in order to quickly, before the enemy came to his senses, wedged into the city defenses in its weakest sections, without wasting time on leveling the front. The ability to fight autonomously from the main forces in urban conditions meant a lot.

        The backbone of the assault group usually consisted of three to four dozen fighters armed mainly with automatic weapons. They were given reinforcement - depending on the available resources and the nature of the task. These could be flamethrowers, mortars, crews of manually rolled 45-mm and 76-mm guns for direct fire. A 152-mm howitzer of 1909-1930 turned out to be a sudden find - having an impressive caliber and at the same time relatively small weight and size, it was well suited for urban battles.

        Tanks could also be attached to assault groups - medium T-34 or heavy IS-2. The latter had an impressive 122 mm gun. The fire of the last direct fire could bring down a house filled with soldiers and snarling with firing points if the shots successfully hit the ceilings. The 152-mm ISU-152 self-propelled gun coped with this task even better.
  10. Kerensky
    Kerensky 9 March 2022 15: 40
    +2
    The author of the "news" could have left an autograph ... Although .. And what did he write?
    PS
    One gets the impression that in a number of cases individual experts, having composed some kind of plan in their head, are trying to pass it off as the plan of the Russian command. And then suddenly they are seriously surprised why the actions of the RF Armed Forces do not coincide with the plan announced by them ...
  11. evgen1221
    evgen1221 9 March 2022 15: 44
    +9
    There were so many reports that our UAVs are massively going to the troops. Then, in order to track and destroy artillery of ukrov, over Donetsk and in the vicinity of the boiler, these UAVs should hang like comoros over a swamp. And Donetsk and the district are being shelled. Where are the satellites of the real picture, where do they go after hitting their art on cd? Oddities alone.
    1. Ural resident
      Ural resident 9 March 2022 16: 06
      -5
      Quote: evgen1221
      There were so many reports that our UAVs are massively going to the troops. Then, in order to track and destroy artillery of ukrov, over Donetsk and in the vicinity of the boiler, these UAVs should hang like comoros over a swamp. And Donetsk and the district are being shelled. Where are the satellites of the real picture, where do they go after hitting their art on cd? Oddities alone.

      UAVs work, why did you decide that they don’t?
    2. Vladimir 290
      Vladimir 290 9 March 2022 16: 16
      +1
      This is not a Sea Devils movie or a computer game, so not everything goes as quickly and smoothly as we would like. And, of course, drones are needed in such a situation, I agree with you.
  12. Amateur
    Amateur 9 March 2022 15: 55
    -4
    Kedmi and Solovyov teach the Russians how it is right for them to kill each other. What else can you expect from Russian television?
    1. evgen1221
      evgen1221 9 March 2022 16: 54
      -1
      Well, both of them are not citizens of the Russian Federation and work for one paper and for one owner.
      1. tikhonov66
        tikhonov66 9 March 2022 18: 13
        -3
        Amateur (Victor) and evegen1221 (Eugene)
        - diligently work out their "barrel of jam and a basket of cookies."
        Stay at home for a while.
        They'll come for you...
        8-)
        1. evgen1221
          evgen1221 9 March 2022 19: 04
          +3
          And if we work in the office from which they come, then what?))))
    2. vitvit123
      vitvit123 9 March 2022 17: 26
      -2
      So some Russians were very well taught to kill other Russians, the whole world taught, while other Russians suffered reproach from the first Russians .. and it doesn’t matter what the nightingales say, etc. the facts are important, and the facts say that the Ukrainians did everything to harm us and take our lives!
    3. Ol willy
      Ol willy 10 March 2022 09: 07
      0
      (((Kedmi))) and (((Soloviev))) teach the Russians how it is right for them to kill each other

      So it will be clearer
  13. Ural resident
    Ural resident 9 March 2022 16: 05
    -4
    Now the break is already obvious. Of course, there will be some more ambushes and partisanship, and you will still have to fight in some places, but in general everything is clear.
    I'm afraid that there will be a fever in the Western region, given the mercenaries who have arrived and the Nazis who have fled there. In addition, the terrain there allows partisans and ambushes. It’s interesting: will they hide in residential buildings there?, It seems that for them everyone is “their own” there ...
    1. -Paul-
      -Paul- 9 March 2022 16: 15
      0
      After the war, they calmly brutally killed and raped their own. Do you think now their own skin will not be close to them? So they will definitely be, for the Nazis their own - only they themselves.
    2. tikhonov66
      tikhonov66 9 March 2022 18: 16
      -2
      "...
      It seems that for them there are all "their own".
      ..."
      - "their" for them is nowhere.
      1945g
      All that was left in this situation for the top of the Third Reich was to try to buy as much time as possible in the hope of some kind of “miracle weapon” that Hitler had so much hoped for. The Allies have already managed to officially agree that nothing good should await the Nazi leadership at the end of the war. Therefore, ANY decisions could be made to at least slow down the advance of the Red Army.
      ... In fact, people were sent on a mission, from which it was possible to return alive only by violating the order
  14. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 9 March 2022 16: 08
    +7
    The tactics are correct and there is no need to rush. I agree that the main thing is minimal losses and destruction.
    But I don't quite understand the strategy, or I don't understand it at all.
    A special operation with limited forces - either 150 thousand, or 200 thousand? Reminds Afghanistan where only "contingent restrictions" beat. If we want minimal losses, we must strike the first blow with all our might.
    1. To increase the peacetime army, although by 2 times a year before the operation. After the start of the operation, carry out a partial mobilization and bring the army to 4-5 million and attack with 2 million groups. At the same time, there is no need for large expenses. Tanks and aircraft are already quite enough, but the infantry must be increased by 5 or 10 times. Infantry with artillery, mortars, rocket launchers, ATGMs, MANPADS, light drones and so on.
    2. If the enemy hides in cities and does not drop his weapons, destruction and casualties among the civilian population cannot be avoided. All these negotiations, humanitarian corridors, truces and the like do not reduce, but rather increase the number of victims and destruction. Cities, no matter how bitter, must be taken. And only after one or two examples about the fate of the garrisons of such cities, one can expect that the next ones will change their minds.
    1. evgen1221
      evgen1221 9 March 2022 16: 57
      -2
      And NATO will sit quietly and watch? They come off as poop when we go to the training regiment because of the Urals, and here the whole army in two years. No, there are more tricky ways to increase the number of troops.
    2. tikhonov66
      tikhonov66 9 March 2022 18: 18
      -3
      "...
      But I don't quite understand the strategy, or I don't understand it at all.
      ..."
      - it's not scary.
      Then you'll understand...
  15. sen
    sen 9 March 2022 16: 21
    0
    The tactics of the RF Armed Forces make it possible to cut and block Ukrainian groups of troops with the exhaustion of their combat capability

    It is necessary to hold referendums in the liberated territory and join the LDNR.
  16. US2SOF
    US2SOF 9 March 2022 16: 28
    -3
    Kedmi is a pessimist, with his statements he only excites the minds of the townsfolk. Everything is going according to plan. Of course, we want a quick end to the operation, but it looks beautiful on paper, but remember about the "ravines". Everything will be fine!
    1. sniperino
      sniperino 11 March 2022 13: 19
      0
      Quote from: US2SOF
      Kedmi is a pessimist
      Kedmi is a citizen and patriot of Israel, whose closest allies are our main opponents - the USA and England. Therefore, we can say that he is an optimist.
  17. svoit
    svoit 9 March 2022 16: 31
    -1
    Quote: Resident of the Urals
    UAVs work, why did you decide that they don’t?

    Of course they work, but there are fewer of them than in Ukraine and many times less than in Azerbaijan, although the territory of Ukraine, count how many times more the NKR, along with the security zone
    1. Blade3
      Blade3 9 March 2022 17: 20
      -5
      Ukraine now has no strike UAVs at all, all destroyed
    2. tikhonov66
      tikhonov66 9 March 2022 18: 22
      -5
      "...
      Of course they work, but there are fewer of them than in Ukraine and many times less than in Azerbaijan
      ..."
      -? !!!!
      and where is the information from?
      You, excuse me, are either a spy (if you give out the correct data),
      or provocateur.
      - what kind of PENALTY do we have from today for DEZA?
      don't remember?
      thousand 500? And that's the minimum...
      take a risk.
  18. demiurg
    demiurg 9 March 2022 17: 01
    +5
    This military operation shows once again that it is not the number of tanks or soldiers that decides now, but the number of aircraft and the number of high-precision weapons, air and ground-based.
    The Ukrainian army had at least CTO experience, Ukraine was able to restore the number of tanks and other armored vehicles (even upgrading them in places). But the lack of a sane Air Force and guided weapons leveled these quantitative and qualitative indicators. The SV RF, if viewed on a cart and TV, is equipped with slightly better Ukrainian equipment. Even the T-90 and BMP-3 I saw only a few times. The land grouping of the Russian Federation that entered the territory of Ukraine is two times smaller than the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
    But Ukraine does not have the opportunity to use (no pens, no TV) Krasnopol, Centimeters, all sorts of X (25, 29, 31, 38 and many more). Not to mention tactical Iskanders and Calibers. Stingers and javelins, no matter how much they are, will not help much from the red field. The air is completely lost. The remnants of the air defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are sitting in ambushes, hiding behind civilians, and partisan in the truest sense of the word.
    The Armed Forces of Ukraine cannot move between combat zones, they have no supply (any column on the march is a preparation for a video with burning materiel). As a matter of fact, right now the RF Armed Forces have nowhere to rush, time is working for us. Every day the Ukrainian soldier will shoot less and less and eat less.
    And they can try to attack supply columns, yes. Even knock out/set fire to one, two or three trucks. Only the remaining 300-400-500 trucks will deliver the cargo to the addressees. In addition to the vidosik for propaganda and moral satisfaction, there is no sense from them at the moment. And they will not be able to partisan for a long time, not those times. On the other hand, the entire Runet is filthy with perpetrators and all-weeders, here the Ukrainian military is out of competition, destroying planes and tanks of the Russian Armed Forces from the sofa by the hundreds.

    Oh yes, why did I roll this sheet. Poland is now frantically accelerating the quantitative indicators of its military forces. And the Air Force and high-precision weapons, the maximum supports at the current level.
  19. Awaz
    Awaz 9 March 2022 17: 10
    +8
    So, I am one of those who say that the war is not going according to plan. You can even throw stones at me, but it's real. Although I completely disagree with Kedmi
    Both of them and Solovyov are two provocateurs who have been engaged in inciting Russians against Ukrainians for more than one year and vice versa. They watch this show in Ukraine, they only have a different attitude to it there.
    What is my vision of the development of the situation: It’s clear, I reason logically and I don’t have any layouts from the General Staff. Judging by the rhetoric of the Russian authorities on the evening of February 24, they wanted to quickly scare Zelensky, first by destroying some military infrastructure with Caliber, and then by landing near Kiev, with the creation of a powerful group there in the area of ​​the Antonov airfield. Perhaps they took the airfield to ensure the landing of ILs with troops and equipment, but realizing that the air defense of Ukraine was working and low-speed targets clicked at once, they did not take risks. The third and most important argument was supposed to be the breakthrough of the defense on the Donetsk front in several places and the formation of pockets. All this should have happened at lightning speed, in a maximum of three days, and the Ukrainian authorities should have already understood by that moment that the West would not help and that the most combat-ready armed forces were blocked and there was no point in fighting.
    But the boilers on the Donetsk front, by and large, did not work out even in two weeks, not counting Mariupol, and even the shelling of Gorlovka and Donetsk is still ongoing. I don’t think that the General Staff of the Russian Federation assumed that the Armed Forces of Ukraine would also calmly shell the City from Avdiivka after two weeks of fighting.
    The mistakes of the first days led to the fact that the Armed Forces of Ukraine began to stubbornly resist and not surrender at all, even when surrounded.
    As a result, events began to develop as they develop. During the first 7-10 days, the RF Armed Forces slightly adjusted to the circumstances, took into account, as best they could, mistakes and jambs, and slightly changed tactics. Therefore, things went sluggishly, but without serious catastrophes and punctures.
    But Kedmi's words about capturing the whole country in 2 weeks are nonsense. The hope was for the capitulation of the regime in the early days ...
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    2. tikhonov66
      tikhonov66 9 March 2022 18: 29
      -6
      "... So, I'm one of those who say that the war is not going according to plan. You can even throw stones at me, but it's real
      ..."
      No one will throw stones at you.
      Stones - this is savagery and the Middle Ages ...
      And Russia is a REGULAR state ...
      .
      Russian President Vladimir Putin signed a law criminalizing false information about the Russian Armed Forces (AF). It is reported by TASS.

      The Criminal Code (CC) of Russia is supplemented by Article 207.3 “Public dissemination of knowingly false information about the use of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation”, which provides for imprisonment for up to three years or a fine of up to one and a half million rubles.
      ...
      Stay at home for a while...
      1. Awaz
        Awaz 9 March 2022 18: 57
        +6
        hiii, the rule of law. well, yes . The President, quite recently, as in spirit, spoke out about the fact that there are no conscripts among the advancing troops, and the topic immediately pops up that there were conscripts and even were captured. It's good if everyone is alive and well ...
        The question arises : who framed the Supreme ? Or even more annoying...
    3. sniperino
      sniperino 11 March 2022 13: 41
      +1
      Quote: AwaZ
      Judging by the rhetoric of the Russian authorities on the evening of February 24, they wanted to quickly scare Zelensky, first by destroying some military infrastructure with Caliber, and then by landing near Kiev, with the creation of a powerful group there in the area of ​​the Antonov airfield. ... All this should have happened at lightning speed, in a maximum of three days, and the Ukrainian authorities should have already understood by that moment that the West would not help and that the most combat-ready armed forces were blocked and there was no point in fighting ... There was hope for the capitulation of the regime in the first days
      Do you have a link to all this "rhetoric"? Has anyone read or heard it somewhere? And then it gives the impression of fiction, woven into the canvas of some real events.
      1. Awaz
        Awaz 11 March 2022 14: 41
        0
        I won’t say the names of politicians and officials right now, I just didn’t go deep, but the phrases about “surgical” or “unique” “never seen” - these were just expressed on 24-25 ...
  20. Bayun
    Bayun 9 March 2022 17: 55
    0
    I repeat. Kindness is not dashing, it walks quietly ... They rush slowly, protect the lives of fighters and civilians. In military strategy and tactics - order.

    Eh, our "infotroops" should stop "cleaning infoguns with bricks." It’s the 21st century in the yard, and they are somewhere at the level of a propagandist-agitator half a century ago ...

    "Infowar" main goal is souls people, not minds. Option for respected atheists: total blocking conscience in a person with subsequent propaganda dehumanization of the mind-mind.

    In the case of ukronatsi, ideology = "camouflage". The nature of their behavior is in direct demonism (blocking of conscience). A similar technique was applied to the civilian population: many fell into the "Ukrainian sect". This is "not cured" by propaganda. There is an urgent and massive need for specialists of a different kind.
    1. sniperino
      sniperino 11 March 2022 13: 55
      +1
      Quote: Bayun
      Eh, our "infotroops" should stop "cleaning infoguns with bricks." ... "Infowar" has the souls of people, not minds, as its main goal. An option for respected atheists: a complete blocking of conscience in a person, followed by propaganda dehumanization of the mind-reason.
      If your conscience has not been completely blocked, then you might understand that this "newfangled" method is only suitable for fascists. They are also freed from the "chimera of conscience", and their minds have been dehumanized in such a way that they do not consider people to be people. We are going in a completely different way.
      1. Bayun
        Bayun 14 March 2022 22: 18
        0
        The method is universal. If a sectarian was made of a person, then the subsequent nat-fascist or shaitan-igil-terrorist are options to choose from.
  21. jeka424
    jeka424 9 March 2022 17: 57
    -2
    https://news.mail.ru/incident/50371205/?frommail=1
  22. RED_ICE
    RED_ICE 9 March 2022 18: 09
    -2
    Everything is beautifully described. But how is it really? The common man is not supposed to know
  23. svoit
    svoit 9 March 2022 19: 35
    -3
    Quote: tikhonov66
    You, excuse me, are either a spy (if you give out the correct data),

    I use only Wikipedia data, I have no other
    Orion-E (!)
    Units produced 6

    On April 20, 2020, the TASS news agency reported that the Kronstadt Group and the Russian Ministry of Defense signed an act of acceptance of the first Orion unmanned complex consisting of three vehicles.

    well here
    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4265517.html
    In 2021, the Russian Ministry of Defense will be supplied with up to seven unmanned aerial systems "Inohodets"

    I can’t say anything about other types of attack UAVs in service.
  24. The contemplative
    The contemplative 9 March 2022 21: 11
    0
    No, well, Yasha Kedmi is our man, just a little too gambling. And so - yes, and I would like it to be right away and that's it ... But at the military registration and enlistment office they told me: the age is not the same, the VUS is so unnecessarily there, and even without you it is enough. And Yasha - he is also from the best of intentions.
  25. Aag
    Aag 9 March 2022 21: 53
    0
    Sorry, the Internet, the site, they work with "jambs" ...
    Do I have one? Authorship under the article was not found ...
    I suspect a shaft of "minuses".
    It's not about that now...
    Y. Kedmi, IMHO, has vaccinated for a long time (I cannot document my opinion). Goals, tasks, while we leave out of the discussion. Yes, referring to the experience of Israel (and the United States), talk about preserving the civilian population (in our case, in Ukraine, it has long been, for the most part, not peaceful ...), - extra costs (human, military, material - sorry for tsmnism is materialism, but I kind of quote ...).
    ... It seems that Kedmi will quietly leave the screens, broadcasts ...
  26. Alexey G
    Alexey G 10 March 2022 00: 50
    +3
    Yes, of course, the operation is being carried out successfully and God forbid that we do not retreat and do not turn off this path! Doubt! Therefore, it is necessary to fight within against any defeatism within society! War only to a victorious end without a doubt! The author of the article plus!
    On the other hand, for theoretical reflection, taking into account the future, it is worth noting some, in my opinion, negative aspects. Today I would like to carefully and critically look at the general plan of the operation carried out by our Defense Ministry.
    First, let's look at the map

    Even without being an employee of the General Staff, it becomes clear that the ongoing operation is going to be carried out in two stages, since western Ukraine is practically not affected by hostilities, except for strikes with high-precision weapons! However, the plan for the demilitarization of Ukraine requires the expansion of hostilities throughout the country! Therefore, the transition to the 2nd stage, that is, the demilitarization of western Ukraine, does not begin due to the fact that now our army is slowly destroying the surrounded APU in boilers inside the settlements! All our forces are concentrated around the encircled and cannot be released for operations in the western direction. In fact, there was still a loss of pace in the offensive. Meanwhile, the enemy receives help from the territory of Poland, both with weapons and replenishment of mercenaries, and simply psychologically, since the Nazis feel the support of NATO! the result will be an increase in our losses. The desire to reduce them forces Shoigu to act cautiously, but this is a new loss of pace, which will give the enemy time to search for new countermeasures!
    To put it bluntly, the 2-stage plan does not look like the best creation in the tradition of Suvorov or Zhukov and Rokosovsky.
    Firstly, an offensive from the Crimea to the east with the aim of hitting the rear of the Donetsk grouping of the enemy seems to be a very long and long throw! It looks like a tooth extraction through the anus! Yes, you can, but for a long time and at the same time exposes our stretched communications under the blow of saboteurs! Wouldn't it have been better to deliver this blow from the territory of the Rostov region through Donetsk with the simultaneous capture of Mariupol on the first day using the landing of the marines, for which it was actually created, until the enemy had time to understand anything and fortified the city by taking the population hostage! The second blow from the Belgorod area does not cause criticism, with the exception of either intelligence or an attempt to capture Kharkov, where the ambiguity of actions led to some losses!
    Secondly, the Crimean grouping of our troops should have been sent immediately to the West in the direction of Nikolaev, Vinnitsa, Chernivtsi in order to block the border with Romania. At the same time, from the Brest region (Belarus), it was necessary to strike along the Polish-Ukrainian border, cutting off Lutsk, Lvov, Ivano-Frankivsk from communications with Poland and Slovakia. But instead, a blow was struck in the direction of Kyiv without a serious continuation! It was here that it was necessary to use large mobile forces of armored vehicles with the support of air defense and aviation.
    As a result of such actions, fascist Ukraine would have been completely surrounded and deprived of communication with NATO. After that, it was necessary to disrupt the actions of cellular communications and the media on the territory of Ukraine. Meanwhile, in the east, the encirclement and defeat of the Donetsk-Luhansk grouping of the enemy would accelerate, which would be relieved by the fact that the enemy felt doomed, without any hope of help, which would hasten his surrender! After its defeat and the destruction of enemy air defense and aviation, it was possible to tightly cover Kyiv and either force Zelensky to surrender or decisively take the city by force!
    After the fall of Kyiv, it was necessary to start enveloping and capturing other cities, which, after the fall of Mariupol and Kyiv, in the absence of external assistance, would hardly have offered serious resistance!
    1. kirosi
      kirosi 11 March 2022 11: 20
      +1
      strike from the territory of the Rostov region through Donetsk
      it's funny how people who don't know the topic give "advice"
      you seem to be unaware that the main military group of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, prepared for an attack on Donetsk, is concentrated near Donetsk? There are powerful fortifications created in 8 years. Now they seem to have no destiny at all, and their prospects, if they do not surrender, are extremely sad.
      1. Alexey G
        Alexey G 11 March 2022 13: 52
        0
        I'm just very on topic! A strike from the territory of the Rostov region does not mean that you have to get into the thick of enemies or that you had to attack head-on without the idea of ​​​​surrounding! You did not understand!
        A strike along the Sea of ​​Azov from the side of the Rostov region with a simultaneous amphibious landing near Mariupol could also be used to encircle the enemy’s Donetsk grouping, for example, if part of the forces went to the Dnieper with a front to the west, and the other part could connect with our northern strike group troops in the area of ​​Petrashevsk, Pokrovsk, Barvenkovo! With the front to the east! But in my version, the environment would have passed faster due to the reduction in the coverage distance! Yes, and logistically it would be easier than from the Crimea. A strike along the Sea of ​​Azov could also be supported by the Black Sea Fleet, both by force of arms and logistically. The fleet made it possible to inflict a flank attack on the APU from the sea, which would facilitate our breakthrough from the land! In addition, our side would have lost fewer people whom the Nazis attacked in extended columns! In addition, while our troops raced for 4 days through Melitopol to Mariupol, the enemy managed to prepare for all-round defense, taking the population hostage! And we burned a sea of ​​fuel, lost some of the rear and signalmen in captivity, and most importantly lost the effect of surprise, which is why we were pushing around Mariupol for a week not knowing what to do?!
    2. kirosi
      kirosi 11 March 2022 11: 26
      -1
      in general, refugees go through the west of Ukraine (yes, mostly those who have financial and other opportunities are ticking, but this, by the way, is the most hostile part of the population, read some reports from Kyiv, from where the "new Kievans" fled first of all from Westerners). Would you like all this mass (about 2 million) to rush all over Ukraine and climb under fire?
      1. Alexey G
        Alexey G 11 March 2022 13: 58
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        So let them run through the checkpoints controlled by us in one direction! From here they flee, but from there they do not return! And now mercenaries and weapons are moving across the Polish border, which does not help us win, but harms us!
        Would you like all this mass (about 2 million) to rush all over Ukraine and climb under fire?
        I'd like to try some of them here in Ukraine for war crimes! Otherwise, they will run away and become a government in exile in Poland or England! What is not good!
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  28. Bruno Lomax
    Bruno Lomax 10 March 2022 11: 30
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    I am writing from Spain. Here the television shows a video of how drones destroy some Russian units, fortunately, not much. I believe that the information war is lost by Russia, its video does not exist or is poor, it scares me very much and I suspect that the war is not going very well. There were a lot of good videos in Syria, but nothing in Ukraine? In addition, in the west there is DEADLY DANGER, a lot of new Bayraktars, equipment, weapons, mercenaries. Could Kherson be in danger? why didn’t they destroy the convoys like in Syria as a warning? Why not larger airports and western ground hubs?
    Why not seriously warn Turkey about the extremely dangerous Bayraktar?
    If the danger in the West were truly deadly... A tactical nuclear warning* on an empty airfield, also a psychological warning to Western public opinion?

    Russia needs an important city like life NEXT DAYS, (Mariupol would be 10), a destroyed cauldron, more video attacks and victories with the encouragement of the Russian people, many Chinese drones, thousands of sniper cities, the caliber of power centers in Kyiv.

    *Paradigm: Russia can by no means lose this war, otherwise it will be a strategic disaster for her, as well as for China and the whole world. (If you can't win 100%, Ukraine, 50% is also a win.)
    1. kirosi
      kirosi 11 March 2022 11: 11
      +1
      Russia needs an important city like life NEXT DAYS,

      What for? Information war for whose opinion? yuroptsev? what for? What influences the opinion of this mass of fooled idiots? Yeah, can you imagine if during the Great Patriotic War, instead of fighting normally, we tried to put on a show for the Germans (then, of course, it was difficult without the Internet) and tried to win the "information war". Moreover, the Western media is unbridled propaganda, a mass of frank and most shameless lies, fakes, when pictures are used, staged (a pregnant blogger from Mariupol), or not related to real events, or to date, or even to Ukraine in general . At the same time, those who constantly shouted about "freedom of speech as a fundamental value" shamelessly banned RT. I'm wondering, do the same Spaniards not see how they are brazenly and rudely deceived (about the same "freedom of speech"), brainwashed, or do not want to see?
      1. Bruno Lomax
        Bruno Lomax 11 March 2022 14: 04
        +1
        Reward your troops and your people (after two very hard weeks) and discourage your enemies (including NATO). If you think this is stupid, I better not talk to you anymore.
        1. kirosi
          kirosi 11 March 2022 15: 40
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          Well, with Russian TV, everything is more or less in order in this respect. In addition, the most "stubborn" pro-Westerners, supporters of "common people" merged on our TV, someone himself, someone was temporarily removed from the air so as not to be embarrassed, as, for example, on the "first" channel. If we take the Western media and social networks, then it is impossible to overthrow it, especially since they even strangled the tiny (in comparison with the Western colossus of propaganda) RT in the bud. And, by the way, the "pro-Russian" RT is not true, there are a lot of "general people" and, basically, they tried to "speak from the language." What is the same granddaughter of Shevardnadze, by the way, Simonyan's girlfriend, on the "pro-Russian" channel.
          As for the propaganda of the Western media to the Russian audience, firstly, it cannot be completely closed, and it is unnecessary. In addition, having the opportunity to see the situation from different angles, one can better see the total lies and brainwashing on Western channels, not to mention hysteria and hatred, moreover, allegedly as a reaction to events that do not directly affect them at all. If you think that this inspires trust and love for them in Russia...they don't.
          Absolutely nothing can "discourage" people who spit in the eyes - God's dew. Moreover, if you think that they are the leadership of NATO, and in general Western countries are subject to propaganda (either their own or someone else's) or do not know the real situation, then you are very naive. Read, for example, Lavrov's correspondence with the Foreign Ministers of Germany and France, published in November last year, it is on the website of the Russian Foreign Ministry. In general, people there are extremely cynical and pragmatic. decide to start World War 3-start.
      2. sniperino
        sniperino 11 March 2022 14: 22
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        Quote from kirosi
        I'm wondering, do the same Spaniards not see how they are brazenly and rudely deceived (about the same "freedom of speech"), brainwashed, or do not want to see?
        I am sure that the vast majority in the West does not see this. Precisely because they are deceived not brazenly and rudely, but subtly, technically and for a long time. Therefore, in every impudent, in your opinion, stuffing, they see confirmation of their picture of the world, and they are skeptical about truthful reports, if they come across. When I told them in the 90s that they were broadcasting anti-Russian propaganda on TV, they looked at me with surprise and distrust.
        1. kirosi
          kirosi 11 March 2022 15: 45
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          You know, I watch a lot of Western channels, perhaps too much, and not considering myself an expert, I can still even distinguish the peculiarities of propaganda work, say, in the States, England, France. Moreover, now (!), the differences have practically disappeared, it is precisely the unbridled impudent campaign of completely outright lies and hatred, brainwashing, no subtleties.
          about "don't want"
          I tried to ask them on Twitter elementary questions like: what are the reasons for the military operation in Ukraine, why the leadership of the Russian Federation, despite serious personal (!) victims (this is both confiscation of assets and personal danger: after all, the West is OPEN - is it not terrorism, calls to eliminate them) decided what the possible benefits (!) of Russia from this operation, etc. So not one (!) bothered to answer. It is clear that no one explained it to them, but they don't even WANT TO KNOW THE TRUTH!
  29. Bruno Lomax
    Bruno Lomax 10 March 2022 11: 41
    +1
    He wanted to say why they no longer fire missiles at airports and ground nodes in western Ukraine. If there are not enough calibers in Russia, Chinese calibers with Russian letters are also good, because the war is also against China. I'm sorry that the automatic translation is not perfect.
  30. Bruno Lomax
    Bruno Lomax 10 March 2022 11: 54
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    Of course, a tactical nuclear bomb will only be in the event of a strategic (mortal) danger to Russia and always on an empty airfield in western Ukraine, and not in western territory. Unfortunately, machine translation is not perfect.
  31. Bruno Lomax
    Bruno Lomax 10 March 2022 12: 37
    +5
    Many Europeans here want Russia to win this war, so that Europe will stop being a provocative and destabilizing weapon of the United States and the United Kingdom against Russia. To have good neighborliness between Europe and Russia, good trade and mutual progress.
    1. kirosi
      kirosi 11 March 2022 10: 58
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      "Europeans here want Russia to win this war,"
      what kind of Europeans are these and where are they here? didn't see a single one. In general, if you look at what kind of hysteria and hatred is going on, in particular in Europe, and everywhere, it becomes clear that the events in Ukraine (they generally don’t care about Ukraine itself, for them this is THEIR colony) is not a reason, but only an excuse so that this hatred just spilled out.
      1. Bruno Lomax
        Bruno Lomax 11 March 2022 14: 14
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        You manipulate my words, I said "many Europeans" and not "Europeans, (all)", and you claim that "have not seen anyone who wants the triumph of Russia." Do you live in Europe like me to know? Perhaps you are someone who believes everything the Western press says. I won’t talk to you anymore for obvious reasons, you manipulate in bad faith and argue like a bream.
        1. kirosi
          kirosi 11 March 2022 16: 05
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          You can not talk, but I will answer. I don't live in Europe, but I watch their TV a lot (mainly France, by the way, is probably the most "pro-Russian of the European countries). I see how they react to the slightest (!) Statement that can be interpreted in favor of Russia. And there is no need to convince me that someone, somewhere, has a good attitude towards Russia. There are very (!) few of them (I think, much less than, say, in Ukraine). In principle, these are only pro-communist-minded people or people close to them. By the way, I sometimes read the sites of Humanite and Morning Star, everything is quite adequate. Another thing is the "social democrats". These, like in the Weimar Republic, are absolutely deceitful and ready to even make a deal with the devil. I'm not talking about the right. Hence , if you take a vote, you can see what part of the population treats Russia well.
          1. Bruno Lomax
            Bruno Lomax 11 March 2022 22: 34
            +1
            I was angry with you when you ignored (just out of spite, it seems) my opinion that the capture of a large city (like Mariupol) in the coming days (not weeks) was very convenient for Russia.

            As for whether many Europeans want Russia to win, let's leave it somewhere in the middle, albeit lower: I completely agree that in terms of the majority there are not many of them, but there are more of them than it seems in the press and on television. . Big media is a total dictatorship here, those who disagree should be silent. But on the Internet and in groups of friends, things are not so clear cut. I must also say that Spain is more of a US colony (culturally) than France, which has been watching Hollywood for too many years.
            1. kirosi
              kirosi 12 March 2022 13: 43
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              Why should I write something "to spite" someone? My opinion is that, firstly, I, in principle, do not understand and do not accept "advice" from outside (meaning from those who are not related to the special operation, wherever they are). It is clear that the political and military leadership of the Russian Federation knows better. Secondly, now, in principle, is not the time to discuss certain actions of the RF Armed Forces, at least not from the point of view of what is "correct" and what is not. All we can do is just these
              actions to support one way or another. At the same time, I consider it desirable, if possible, to provide wide information about the situation, but taking into account not to “help” the leadership of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and others with information, which, quite possibly, has generally lost the opportunity to “see” this very situation.
              As for large cities and in general. Of course, it would be desirable, as some have threatened, to solve all the problems in a couple of days. It is clear that we remember the Six Day War, when Israel, with a surprise attack in less than a week, defeated the Arab coalition and occupied large territories.
              But every analogy has its limits. And there are many reasons why the special operation should proceed exactly as it actually happens, and the "disappointment" of those who built castles in the sand does not matter. If one of the "critics" is really eager to help, then the best option is to simply go to the military registration and enlistment office, of course this only applies to Russian citizens.
              1. kirosi
                kirosi 12 March 2022 13: 48
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                By the way, read what the Israelis did during and after the Six Day War in the occupied territories.
              2. Bruno Lomax
                Bruno Lomax 12 March 2022 14: 24
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                I confirm that you are an arrogant and implacable person who does not support any opinion (always respectful and prudent) that does not coincide 100% with yours. I'm sorry, but I won't talk to you anymore.
                1. kirosi
                  kirosi 12 March 2022 14: 41
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                  As you like, the only thing, only, I would advise you to refer, in particular, to the experience of the Civil War in Spain in 1936-39.
                  Without identifying us in any way with the Francoists, I simply advise you to look: what strategic military and political decisions allowed the Francoists to defeat the Republic and firmly (!) establish their power, especially given the overwhelming support of the Republic from the population at the initial (!) stage of the war.
                2. kirosi
                  kirosi 12 March 2022 17: 27
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                  By the way, the study is directly related to the topic, but in French
                  https://www.ifop.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/118983-Rapport.pdf
  32. Russophile
    Russophile 10 March 2022 21: 56
    -1
    Solovyov so selflessly looked into the mouth of the kedmi on his programs that he truly believed that he was smart. Smart as a duck...
  33. Sergey Melnik
    Sergey Melnik 11 March 2022 10: 21
    +2
    Quote: Skubudu
    Approximately on the 3rd or 4th day of the war - the first bell rang ... the whole world saw it on TV. how pathetic that sounded...
    Today the second bell rang
    Oh, the campaign is coming war ... or shame ... or shame and war ...

    For whom? For Ukraine? So already this, and that has come so that "late doctor, the patient felt better, he died"
  34. kirosi
    kirosi 11 March 2022 10: 51
    +1
    Do not touch, hands off Kedmi! In general, Yakov Iosifovich is strongly based on the combat experience of the Israeli army. Indeed, in the 73rd year, already on the 6th day of the war, after the most powerful tank throws, the Israeli army was ready to take defenseless (!) Cairo (only the USSR ultimatum stopped them) But this experience is very different due to geographical, climatic and other (in particular , complete military passivity of the population, no national battalions, they are fighting, well, how they are fighting, rather they are just trying to survive, only regular troops) of local conditions. Moreover, I think you are aware of how the Israeli troops (and, by the way, other "civilized" troops) acted and are acting on enemy (!) Territory - roughly speaking: whoever did not hide, I am not to blame, at the slightest threat, even imaginary - complete destruction. For us, Ukraine, for all that, is NOT enemy territory at all.