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Russia is accelerating the creation of a new version of the SSJ100 aircraft, taking into account import substitution

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Passenger liners produced today by Sukhoi are powered by foreign-made power units. In the future, it is planned to install domestic PD-8 engines on them, the serial production of which has not yet begun.


In this regard, the head of the Ministry of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation, Denis Manturov, set the task of completing the certification of the Russian unit earlier than planned. It is expected to be completed within 12-14 months.

This was reported by the press service of the Ministry of Industry and Trade.

Thus, Russia is accelerating the creation of a new version of the Sukhoy Superjet 100 (SSJ100) aircraft, taking into account import substitution.

It is planned not only to reduce the time for creating an aircraft with a Russian engine, but also to increase the production of passenger aircraft. Manturov ordered to raise them to 40 units per year. At the moment, 23-24 "Superjet" with imported power plants are produced annually.


The head of the Ministry of Industry and Trade noted the importance of replacing all foreign components with Russian ones in the domestic aircraft industry. In the face of increasing Western sanctions, this is vital.

Earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin spoke about the importance of development aviation Russian industry and expanding the network of domestic air transportation.

The SSJ100 is a short haul passenger aircraft. It is capable of carrying up to 98 people over a distance not exceeding 4400 kilometers.
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  1. Commodore Arctic
    Commodore Arctic 9 March 2022 11: 08
    +13
    Due to the vast distances, remote territories in Russia, air transport is as necessary as air, because more than 80% of the country's territory is not connected by a road or rail network due to difficult climatic conditions! The main thing is to "hurry slowly" - all the same, these planes carry people! This is especially true for testing aircraft engines!
    1. Giant thought
      Giant thought 9 March 2022 11: 19
      +24
      I flew on this plane - a normal plane. Of course, the sooner our engine is certified for it, the sooner it will be possible to increase the production of these reliable aircraft, but the logistics of post-flight maintenance should be tightened up, otherwise the operators have questions in this regard.
      1. Nexcom
        Nexcom 9 March 2022 11: 24
        -5
        Pilot or pax? The pilots claim that the average plane turned out. But the Paks like the salon, the gryat is comfortable, it’s quite normal.
        1. Giant thought
          Giant thought 9 March 2022 11: 27
          +20
          I flew as a passenger with my granddaughter, she also liked it. The flight was over three hours.
          1. Nexcom
            Nexcom 9 March 2022 11: 28
            -5
            Well, you also confirmed that the pax like it.

            PAX - aviation abbreviation = passenger. slang passengers are called pax.
            1. Civil
              Civil 9 March 2022 13: 07
              +5
              Passenger flew three times - a very comfortable plane. But there are more spare parts imported, even in addition to engines.
              1. alystan
                alystan 9 March 2022 15: 58
                +12
                Who did not allow this minister, even 10 years ago, to start full import substitution and speed up the development of the domestic engine? Is it necessary to pull to the last to be "backed" to the wall under the weight of all these sanctions bans? I woke up, damn it.
                Head of the Ministry of Industry and Trade noted the importance of replacing in the domestic aircraft industry all foreign components to Russian. In the face of increasing Western sanctions, this is vital.

                Before that, it was all not so vital? When Mexico, having purchased a solid batch of these "superjets", sounded the alarm due to poor after-sales service, why didn't anyone itch? And this is after the highly acclaimed characteristics of the aircraft themselves by the Mexican side? Although all this was under the former prime minister. But after all, Manturov was with him all this time, as if he didn’t “itch”, he continues to beat the thumbs.
                Maybe people like him should be "import-substituting" in the first place?
                1. sustav75
                  sustav75 10 March 2022 11: 05
                  -2
                  The whole government is like that! Will you replace everyone? This is already a change of power and regime ...
            2. The Little Humpbacked Horse
              The Little Humpbacked Horse 9 March 2022 13: 29
              +4
              Quote: Nexcom
              Well, you also confirmed that the pax like it.

              PAX - aviation abbreviation = passenger. slang passengers are called pax.


              And pensioners in this jargon are called pence
        2. loki565
          loki565 9 March 2022 11: 43
          +13
          Pilot or pax? The pilots say that the average plane turned out.
          This is more of a subjective opinion. I can tell you a secret, but most Boeing pilots have never flown an Airbus and vice versa. Because retraining is expensive, time-consuming and they do it only as a last resort. For example, the PIC will be very reluctant to go back to trainee / co-pilot / PIC. Accordingly, they praise what they fly on))) According to the superjet, objectively at the level of watermelons and better than the old Boeings. PS New Boeing brought to the level of watermelons.
          1. Nexcom
            Nexcom 9 March 2022 11: 47
            0
            Yes, this is understandable. The pilots did not like the small failures that climbed at first. And constantly. And the lack of spare parts. It's common knowledge. I won’t even remind you about technical cannibalism when one side was pulled apart for parts. If these sores are fixed - great.
          2. Pete mitchell
            Pete mitchell 10 March 2022 04: 27
            +1
            Quote: loki565
            According to the superjet, objectively at the level of watermelons and better than the old Boeings. PS New Boeing brought to the level of watermelons.
            I'm embarrassed to ask: what about the new Boeing and what is it? At the level of "Watermelons" by what parameters? Do not remember the control system.
            And I naively thought that SSJ grew out of BRJ ... it's a shame you understand
        3. Mountain shooter
          Mountain shooter 9 March 2022 11: 46
          +6
          Quote: Nexcom
          The pilots say that the average plane turned out.

          Well, I haven't heard that. They all fly like drones, almost automatically from takeoff to landing. The fact that an inept pilot "decomposed" the plane on landing - alas, ineptness will break anything. Car, ship, plane.
          1. Nexcom
            Nexcom 9 March 2022 11: 49
            0
            I wrote above that the pilots did not like it. And infa from the profile forum. while two catastrophes did not even think to mention. It is obvious that it is not always easy for a new aircraft to fly.
        4. Magellan
          Magellan 9 March 2022 12: 42
          0
          I had a chance to fly (paxom), a nice plane.
        5. g1v2
          g1v2 9 March 2022 14: 14
          +3
          This is how long-haul aircraft do for passengers. So that they fly and pay for tickets. The Superjet is wider than its counterparts - this is its main feature. Wider seat, wider aisle. True, the seats are imported, so they are now being replaced by imports.
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      2. Captain Nemo
        Captain Nemo 9 March 2022 14: 53
        +2
        There is an opinion that the superjet is the tears of Russia. Feeding trough for Western corporations and officials unidentified by the investigation. And the funeral of the native aviation industry. The result of Mansurov's policy to create a colonial screwdriver "aviation industry". If you bring this super miracle to mind, you get the Tu334MS2.
        1. g1v2
          g1v2 9 March 2022 15: 22
          -1
          Superjet - the plane that returned our country to the list of countries producing civil aviation. There are already 200 of them flying. This is our fourth result in the production of long-haul aircraft, including the Soviet period. And the production continues. How many of the same tu204 flies? The airlines did not take it and this buried any hints of bringing the problematic Tu334. I'm not talking about the fact that the engines on it should have been from a saloreich hostile to us. And Saloreich produced a competing an148. That is, the engines for our short-haul aircraft were to be produced by its main competitor. request
          Well, import substitution of equipment for a mass-produced aircraft is much easier than developing equipment for an aircraft that will either fly or not go into series. Tch we are waiting for pd8 for surzhik, especially since he is needed for be200. When deploying serial production, I think that the released superjets will eventually undergo remotorization. At the same time, they have been flying and transporting passengers for many years.
          1. Pilat2009
            Pilat2009 9 March 2022 16: 38
            +5
            Quote: g1v2
            There are already 200 of them flying

            200 sold. And how many of them fly is unknown. Even Aeroflot, which was forcibly sold this miracle, had half
          2. Captain Nemo
            Captain Nemo 10 March 2022 00: 20
            0
            The share of imported components in the "superjet" is 72 percent. This is not a Russian plane, this is their liner. It turns out that in addition to purchasing Boeings and Airbuses, Russian money is also flowing out through superjets. 200 pieces is not pride, it is feeding foreigners from the Russian budget. Without supplies of spare parts from over the hill, all these liners will fall asleep in the parking lots. If all this crazy money and time spent on spurlidjets were given to improving the Tu334MS and creating new engines, they would not know grief now.
            We are still told tales about the "problematic Tu334". But the Tu334 already had certificates, but Sperlijet did not smell yet (the history of the colonial liner smacks rather badly).
            1. g1v2
              g1v2 10 March 2022 13: 50
              +1
              Firstly, the aircraft designed by Russian engineers of the Russian design bureau, produced at the Russian plant of the Russian corporation by Russian workers and engineers, is already Russian.
              Secondly, everyone plays with the percentage of imports depending on their attitude towards the aircraft. Haters say 66 percent of imports, supporters 50. Why? The answer is simple. 34-36 percent is a joint engine. Haters write it down en masse as imported, while supporters divide it in half and consider only the French part as imports. But it is only necessary to put PD 8 on the superjet and the percentage of imports will already be only a third. belay Plus, everything else is also imported and unified with ms21. Well, the new surzhik will have everything the same as on ms21. Tch all these cries are strange to me personally. Take it easy. After 3 years, he will already be spiritually strong and Orthodox in terms of spare parts. But the most important thing is that it has been in service for a long time and squeezed out all foreign aircraft from its segment of the Russian market. The latter were embayers, but after the refusal of the Brazilian company to service them, their operators will also most likely switch to surzhik.
              1. Captain Nemo
                Captain Nemo 12 March 2022 22: 00
                -2
                The US Treasury has not issued an export certificate for the sale of 2014 Sukhoi Superjet 40 (SSJ-100) aircraft to Iran since 100. The Russian "Superjet" turned out to be American. U.S. Treasury approval is required if the aircraft supplied contains more than 10 percent United States-made parts. What can I say, a truly Russian surzhik aircraft ... The blockade of the supply of components and consumables as a result of sanctions will stop production, and after some time, the operation of the colonial liner. "But the most important thing is that it has been in service for a long time and has squeezed out all foreign aircraft from its segment of the Russian market." And also squeezed out domestic manufacturers of aircraft components and really Russian aircraft from the Russian market. And those officials who pushed through the spurlidzhet still don’t blow their heads at posts. Russia is on the verge of a big war, and there are still no motors for drones, even with bad bearings. But sheer chatter about import substitution, sovereignty and "China will help." Let me remind you that the main weapon of the devil is deceit.
                1. Repellent
                  Repellent 12 March 2022 22: 05
                  +1
                  Quote: Captain Nemo
                  The US Treasury has not issued an export certificate for the sale of 2014 Sukhoi Superjet 40 (SSJ-100) aircraft to Iran since 100. Russian "Superjet" turned out to be American

                  Dear, this "news" is already seven years old. Do you have in training manual there is nothing fresher memory on this subject?

                  Quote: Captain Nemo
                  U.S. Treasury approval is required if the liners supplied contain more than 10 percent parts made in the United States

                  Exactly 10%? wink

                  Quote: Captain Nemo
                  The share of imported components in the "superjet" is 72 percent

                  Where is the figure from, can you provide a link?

                  About "Tu334 already had certificates" a hundred years ago they already chewed, chewed, digested and went to the toilet. Have you decided to start this process again? laughing
                  1. Captain Nemo
                    Captain Nemo 12 March 2022 22: 51
                    -1
                    I call things by their proper names. In our time, there are many disrespectful people who say that everything is fine. But they are silent about who it is good for.
                    1. Repellent
                      Repellent 12 March 2022 23: 05
                      +1
                      Quote: Captain Nemo
                      I call things by their proper names

                      It is wonderful good

                      Quote: Captain Nemo
                      In our time, there are many disrespectful people who say that everything is fine. But they are silent about who is good

                      These are radishes, bad people.

                      Well, now that everything is clear with them, if you can, answer two simple questions:

                      1. What is now (instead of 7 years ago) percentage of foreigners in SSJ?
                      2. Where does the figure "10% parts made in the USA" come from as a threshold for the need to obtain an export certificate from them?

                      It will be very kind of you if you provide links to the sources of your information. Thanks in advance.

                      UPD: I have already found the answer to the second question. Yes, 10%, the question is removed.
                      1. Captain Nemo
                        Captain Nemo 12 March 2022 23: 28
                        0
                        https://www.dvnovosti.ru/khab/2019/01/07/93409/ - первое попавшееся. Или вам официальные бумаги подать? Не верите, проведите своё расследование. Ну а насчёт % , то скорее всего в стоимостном отношении оный увеличился. В общем не ленитесь. Насчёт "методички" было очень нелюбезно с вашей стороны...
                      2. Repellent
                        Repellent 12 March 2022 23: 43
                        0
                        Quote: Captain Nemo
                        https://www.dvnovosti.ru/khab/2019/01/07/93409/

                        It's about 10%. About the percentage of foreign details there is rather vague, and the article itself is dated January 7, 2019.

                        Quote: Captain Nemo
                        As for the "manual" it was very unkind of you ...

                        I'm sorry, I accidentally broke hi

                        Quote: Captain Nemo
                        In general, do not be lazy

                        Well, you're up-o-oo good laughing

                        I have no idea where and how to look for it. Nevermind...
    2. Raven 95
      Raven 95 9 March 2022 11: 47
      +6

      We have 80% of the territory is not inhabited at all, in any way.
      European part and a narrow strip to the Far East.
      No wonder, as they say, the southern neighbor looks askance at all this.
      1. Andrey Grad
        Andrey Grad 9 March 2022 12: 19
        -2
        It's time to draw a dozen more cities in the South-West for this map;)
        1. Raven 95
          Raven 95 9 March 2022 12: 46
          +8
          Sorry, 2013 map.
        2. JD1979
          JD1979 9 March 2022 21: 59
          0
          Quote: Andrew Grad
          It's time to draw a dozen more cities in the South-West for this map;)

          yes, at least 1000, only the population will not increase from this, just the density will spread even more
      2. max702
        max702 9 March 2022 12: 25
        +9
        The southern neighbor, who, in principle, looks only askance at everything, even in his own north, does not want to live in brand new cities with minimal taxes and all sorts of preferences .. And you are talking about a blizzard that he really wants to climb even further north to us .. Finish, this training manual is rotten from ten years ago..
        1. Raven 95
          Raven 95 9 March 2022 12: 40
          +10
          You leave the manual for yourself, I have my own head behind my shoulders.
          In short, I do not agree with you. A simple neighbor who looks askance at his domestic smartphone, of course, will not freeze his Faberge at -60 and feed mosquitoes in the north, when there is the south, the sea and 5G Internet. Another thing is when comrades with ranks and ranks see that the richest natural resources are simply lying idle, so why not take them into your hands and send a small expedition of 5-10 million people.
          By the way, why did they need the demarcation of the border, Damansky? They had nowhere to live, why do they need these few square kilometers?
          1. max702
            max702 9 March 2022 12: 48
            -2
            They do not need to clean up anything, because who will physically do it? The population that categorically does not want to live at -60? Who are these mythical 5-10 million people? And at the same time, we all supply perfectly for the goods that this neighbor produces? Meaning ? Quarrel with a neighbor (with a very unclear result) and try to do something yourself at a loss? Are you from the country where the special operation is being carried out by any chance? And then the inhabitants of it have just such a logic ...
            And yes, the same Taiwan is an order of magnitude more miles than our Siberian expanses.
            Damansky is a matter of principle, and when they poured a transition to it, there are no complaints against them, just as it would not have been in the days of the USSR ..
            1. Raven 95
              Raven 95 9 March 2022 12: 53
              +7
              Quote: max702
              Are you from the country where the special operation is being carried out by any chance?

              I do not, but you are in question. But.
            2. Aag
              Aag 9 March 2022 15: 23
              +2
              Quote: max702
              They do not need to clean up anything, because who will physically do it? The population that categorically does not want to live at -60? Who are these mythical 5-10 million people? And at the same time, we all supply perfectly for the goods that this neighbor produces? Meaning ? Quarrel with a neighbor (with a very unclear result) and try to do something yourself at a loss? Are you from the country where the special operation is being carried out by any chance? And then the inhabitants of it have just such a logic ...
              And yes, the same Taiwan is an order of magnitude more miles than our Siberian expanses.
              Damansky is a matter of principle, and when they poured a transition to it, there are no complaints against them, just as it would not have been in the days of the USSR ..

              What do you think (or do you know, which is doubtful), who is felling the Siberian timber for deliveries to China? Who is building fertilizer plants (I don’t know the proposed form of ownership). All this in far from comfortable conditions ...
              Sorry, on emotions - this is to the fact that China is "not a friend, not an enemy, but like that" ... (c) V.S. Vysotsky ... A temporary companion is no longer a passenger ... And this must be profitably used .... As with the same Turkey ... Although, perhaps, no: China is incomparably more consistent, stable ...
              ... IMHO.
              1. max702
                max702 9 March 2022 19: 12
                +2
                Our woods are felled, and not at all in the quantities that in the 90s, I have a friend from Taishet, so he was just a "lumberjack" in the 90s, there were two teams of Chinese subordinates in the 2000s, they all went home to Siberia, no one wanted to live .. So don’t lie about the Chinese chopping our forest, I worked for six months in Ust-Kut in 2019, I didn’t see a single Chinese .. And I didn’t see the Power of Siberia when I was building in Yakutia either, I didn’t see non-Chinese or gasters from the south. so stop lying to the daughters of officers ..
                1. Aag
                  Aag 9 March 2022 20: 00
                  +1
                  Quote: max702
                  Our woods are felled, and not at all in the quantities that in the 90s, I have a friend from Taishet, so he was just a "lumberjack" in the 90s, there were two teams of Chinese subordinates in the 2000s, they all went home to Siberia, no one wanted to live .. So don’t lie about the Chinese chopping our forest, I worked for six months in Ust-Kut in 2019, I didn’t see a single Chinese .. And I didn’t see the Power of Siberia when I was building in Yakutia either, I didn’t see non-Chinese or gasters from the south. so stop lying to the daughters of officers ..

                  Where did I say that the Chinese are felling the forest?!
                  Our Siberian men are bringing down, who in the outback have nothing to earn with anything special. It was ... Now Italian equipment, multimillion-dollar. And sometimes they abandon it, as before "black" lumberjacks threw chainsaws (by the way, in Irkutsk STIHL-180 already costs 26-28 tyr., Huscwarna-365, more than 60 tyr.)
                  Ust-Kut, Taishet, - there is some information (I rivet saw chains ... retired from the Moscow Region, so far, it seems, a week is left / Swedish, Canadian bays / ...).
                  ... And we have almost no "gaster" anymore (Irk. obl.). All citizens of the Russian Federation. Rarely, but I see a lot in clinics ...
                  "...so stop lying to the officers' daughters.."
                  I think it would be wise, if I were you, to apologize.
                  "I hate rumors in the form of versions ..." (c) V.S. Vysotsky.
                  Did you decide this yourself, or under the influence of someone else's comments? (I’ll explain the situation: three days ago I had an unpleasant “talk” with a couple ... I don’t know what to call it. Did you watch the film “Two Comrades Served”?
                  When I write that I can’t answer (busy at work, no mobile Internet, they say publicly that I am a vacator, etc.)
                  To be honest, I already wanted to leave the site several times ... Because of ...)
                  Maybe I'll continue later, otherwise time will run out ... hi
                  1. max702
                    max702 9 March 2022 20: 08
                    0
                    Quote: AAG
                    Where did I say that the Chinese are felling the forest?!

                    Oppa! Who wrote back to me? What do you think (or do you know - which is doubtful), who is felling the Siberian timber for supplies to China?
                    Is this not a direct application that the Chinese are cutting down OUR forest? So you should write your writing more carefully ..
                    1. Aag
                      Aag 9 March 2022 20: 32
                      0
                      Quote: max702
                      Quote: AAG
                      Where did I say that the Chinese are felling the forest?!

                      Oppa! Who wrote back to me? What do you think (or do you know - which is doubtful), who is felling the Siberian timber for supplies to China?
                      Is this not a direct application that the Chinese are cutting down OUR forest? So you should write your writing more carefully ..

                      Did you read it right?
                      Or spell? They fell (more - felled). Siberian men (Bokhansky, Chuisky, Osinsky, districts), the forest went to China.
                      What did I write wrong?
                      1. max702
                        max702 9 March 2022 20: 38
                        0
                        What do you think (or do you know - which is doubtful), who walitons of Siberian wood for deliveries to China?
                        What is not clear? You directly wrote our forest is cut down by the Chinese! In the context of my comment that the Chinese have not cut down the forest for a long time, you thereby assert the opposite! And I'm telling you directly China is not interested in occupation, settlement, our Siberia in any way! He receives everything he needs from Siberia under mutually beneficial agreements .. Are you there now (In Siberia) or do you write from the memory of bygone years? I was in Irkutsk in the same 2019 ..
                      2. Aag
                        Aag 9 March 2022 20: 55
                        +1
                        Quote: max702
                        What do you think (or do you know - which is doubtful), who walitons of Siberian wood for deliveries to China?
                        What is not clear? You directly wrote our forest is cut down by the Chinese! In the context of my comment that the Chinese have not cut down the forest for a long time, you thereby assert the opposite! And I'm telling you directly China is not interested in occupation, settlement, our Siberia in any way! He receives everything he needs from Siberia under mutually beneficial agreements .. Are you there now (In Siberia) or do you write from the memory of bygone years? I was in Irkutsk in the same 2019 ..

                        Let's point by point:
                        1) In Siberia, 25 years ...;
                        2) A link, please, where I state that the Chinese are felling the forest (outside ours, in the interests of the Chinese) ...;
                        3) You did not answer for "... stop lying to the daughters of officers ..".!
                      3. max702
                        max702 9 March 2022 21: 05
                        -2
                        Apparently, the military cap finally pushed your brain through, if you haven’t learned to read and understand the Russian language, then this is your misfortune .. And the officer’s daughter will be the very thing ..
                      4. Aag
                        Aag 9 March 2022 21: 13
                        +1
                        Quote: max702
                        Apparently, the military cap finally pushed your brain through, if you haven’t learned to read and understand the Russian language, then this is your misfortune .. And the officer’s daughter will be the very thing ..

                        Those. in essence, there are no answers ... Another rudeness.
                        "Get out, puppy!" (c) A. Mironov (Lelik) (film "Diamond Hand").
                      5. max702
                        max702 9 March 2022 22: 03
                        -2
                        Alaverdi .. Officer's daughter ..
                      6. Aag
                        Aag 9 March 2022 22: 24
                        0
                        Quote: max702
                        Alaverdi .. Officer's daughter ..

                        Which once again confirms that there are no reasoned answers ... It seems that this is not just a lack of intelligence, education ...
                        I just don’t understand the motivation ... (Okay, there, “personal hostility” that arose from no one knows why - there are suspicions, of course, I have been living for a long time ... Such outbursts, IMHO, are a purposeful action to divide (groundless) society.
                        Until February 24th, there were many opinions on various topics. Now, there will be more. But! We must keep ourselves, not that within the framework, but in accordance with the situation.
                        Some, I begin to suspect, do the opposite on purpose ...
                        Gratitude to all.
                        "The enemy will be defeated! Victory will be ours!" (c) I hope no link is needed.
                    2. Aag
                      Aag 9 March 2022 20: 35
                      0
                      Quote: max702
                      Quote: AAG
                      Where did I say that the Chinese are felling the forest?!

                      Oppa! Who wrote back to me? What do you think (or do you know - which is doubtful), who is felling the Siberian timber for supplies to China?
                      Is this not a direct application that the Chinese are cutting down OUR forest? So you should write your writing more carefully ..

                      Before presenting to my "writing", please refer to your "stuff" ...
                      And you still didn’t apologize for "finish lying to the daughters of officers .."
                      Another "dove of peace" - shat and flew away?
                      Constructive dialogue does not bring you positive?
                  2. Aag
                    Aag 9 March 2022 20: 27
                    +1
                    Let me continue a little. (I just made sure of the time frame) ...
                    You are here in Irk. region-ty arrivals were?
                    Well, really, to understand the situation ...
                    Yes. I also temporarily came to Chita ... to serve. Years five. So that later I could return to my native Baltic (!). Sorry, I didn’t choose where to be born (especially in the 60s!).
                    I have no regrets about this period of my life. My only regret is that it won't come back to me or my children...
                    Sorry for the revelations.
                    Let's get to the topic of the article.
                    MS-21 in commodity volumes Irkutsk will not pull, IMHO. Unless all the loot that has been squeezed out by the native oligarchs is sent here (it is now inconvenient to dig with loot, real specialized equipment is needed - let the abundant management show its resourcefulness!).
                    And this is only for digging pits ...
                    While they are digging, let the other part tense up, in terms of equipment, equipment ... (I see a bunch of problems for each of my written words!). No, not unsolvable! But they are problems (although, for someone, a little earlier , they were not problems, but a gold mine), long overdue.
                    So let's decide!
                    Probably, I am an optimist (deep in my soul), an idealist - but the moment has come. Perhaps there will be no other chance.
                    I'm talking about both sides of our society ... Those who bring down with bags of currency abroad - how to rob in the "Golden Calf"! Only not on the "Romanian" side, but here, now. And the people are rising. And this is worth a lot. hi
          2. Flooding
            Flooding 9 March 2022 13: 06
            +1
            Quote: Raven-95
            why not take them into your own hands and send a small expedition of 5-10 million people.

            trace the geography of the settlement of the Chinese diaspora in the United States
            California, New York, Chicago
            cold Alaska does not attract the Chinese
            1. Pilat2009
              Pilat2009 9 March 2022 13: 54
              0
              Quote: Flood
              Quote: Raven-95
              why not take them into your own hands and send a small expedition of 5-10 million people.

              trace the geography of the settlement of the Chinese diaspora in the United States
              California, New York, Chicago
              cold Alaska does not attract the Chinese

              These are all those who left on their own, who have money. And the state will not even ask if a poor villager wants to live in the north, or prefers the south.
              1. Flooding
                Flooding 9 March 2022 14: 00
                +2
                Quote: Pilat2009
                the state will not even ask if a poor villager wants to live in the north, or if the south prefers

                but I didn’t know that in China the population is settled by order


                https://rosinfostat.ru/naselenie-kitaya/
                1. Pilat2009
                  Pilat2009 9 March 2022 17: 02
                  -2
                  Quote: Flood
                  but I didn’t know that in China the population is settled by order

                  Maybe because they have Gobi and Khingan there?
                  1. Flooding
                    Flooding 9 March 2022 17: 11
                    0
                    Quote: Pilat2009
                    Maybe because they have Gobi and Khingan there?

                    Excellent.
                    This means that it is not very successful to relocate to regions with difficult natural conditions by order.
              2. Aag
                Aag 9 March 2022 15: 29
                0
                Quote: Pilat2009
                Quote: Flood
                Quote: Raven-95
                why not take them into your own hands and send a small expedition of 5-10 million people.

                trace the geography of the settlement of the Chinese diaspora in the United States
                California, New York, Chicago
                cold Alaska does not attract the Chinese

                These are all those who left on their own, who have money. And the state will not even ask if a poor villager wants to live in the north, or prefers the south.

                Maybe I missed something, but according to the order, repressive order, China, it seems, does not resettle anyone, does not retrain anyone. Create favorable conditions
                in the selected direction, limit in a direction other than the chosen one ...
                I may be wrong...
          3. Sergej1972
            Sergej1972 9 March 2022 14: 17
            +2
            In China, a significant part of the resources is still idle. The country has not yet been fully explored geologically. For some reason, we forget that China, like Brazil, is one of the richest countries in terms of various resources. And some experts argue that there are almost more resources in the bowels of Brazil than in Russia.
            1. Hagen
              Hagen 9 March 2022 14: 47
              0
              Quote: Sergej1972
              And some experts argue that there are almost more resources in the bowels of Brazil than in Russia.

              Our completely unexplored and unexplored Eastern Siberia is very slightly smaller than the whole of Brazil. If we add to these assets a very little-studied part of our northern shelf, then in total this territory will be much larger than the “country of monkeys”. Given the degree of knowledge we have about the entities being compared, it's not very smart to call those people "specialists". They are more like elementary biased talkers, discussing topics unknown to them.
            2. Pilat2009
              Pilat2009 9 March 2022 19: 56
              -1
              Quote: Sergej1972
              In China, a significant part of the resources is still idle

              Maybe so. Only why then do they draw such maps?
              https://zen.yandex.ru/media/sur4/territorialnye-pretenzii-kitaia-5dd1300d1b50cd22ca7b2d94
          4. Hagen
            Hagen 9 March 2022 14: 27
            0
            Quote: Raven-95
            I have my own head behind my shoulders

            Masterpiece .... This does not happen often wink
            1. Aag
              Aag 9 March 2022 15: 33
              0
              Quote: Hagen
              Quote: Raven-95
              I have my own head behind my shoulders

              Masterpiece .... This does not happen often wink

              Self-irony is not always, not available to everyone ...
              If only we were sitting at the same table... drinks
            2. Pilat2009
              Pilat2009 9 March 2022 17: 10
              0
              Quote: Hagen
              Masterpiece .... This does not happen often

              No, well, what, someone is on their shoulders, and someone is behind them.
              1. Hagen
                Hagen 9 March 2022 19: 23
                0
                Quote: Pilat2009
                No, well, what, someone is on their shoulders, and someone is behind them.

                Transformer? laughing
          5. Repellent
            Repellent 9 March 2022 19: 29
            -1
            Quote: Raven-95
            why not take them into your own hands and send a small expedition of 5-10 million people

            Evil people say that in some places the border there (just opposite such "Chinese companies") is mined. Land mine SBC (tm).

            Do you think the southern neighbor is unaware? laughing
          6. sustav75
            sustav75 10 March 2022 11: 11
            -2
            Chinese special forces "Siberian tigers" imprisoned for military operations in Siberia ...
      3. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 9 March 2022 14: 14
        -1
        By definition, there cannot be a large population on 70% of our territory. The natural and climatic conditions are too difficult.
        1. Streamil
          Streamil 9 March 2022 22: 55
          0
          It’s all about, but not quite ... I don’t know about you, but I have a big question: “In this regard, the head of the Ministry of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation Denis Manturov set the task of completing the certification of the Russian unit earlier than planned. her in 12-14 months." , and what was possible? If yes, then you should have waited
          connection with this ..", and before that, "how will it turn out"? Here is our entire current system in all its glory .... (
      4. Konstantin Shevchenko
        Konstantin Shevchenko 10 March 2022 08: 17
        0
        The southern neighbor looks askance, but the people do not want to live there, everyone wants to go south. The settlement map of the southern neighbor clearly confirms.
  2. Alexander 3
    Alexander 3 9 March 2022 11: 11
    +5
    Russia has friends, only the Army and Navy. It has always been like this.
    1. ioan-e
      ioan-e 9 March 2022 11: 27
      0
      Quote: Alexander 3
      Russia has friends, only the Army and Navy. It has always been like this.

      Now the Strategic Missile Forces and Aerospace Forces! And so true! hi
      1. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 9 March 2022 14: 19
        0
        In our country, the Strategic Missile Forces and the Aerospace Forces are also considered part of the Army. Everything that is not the Navy, then the Army. This is the American Army, in fact, only the Ground Forces.
        1. ioan-e
          ioan-e 9 March 2022 14: 39
          0
          Not offset, that is, a deuce!
          Speaking exactly, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation are divided into types of troops: ground forces, military space forces and the navy, as well as individual types of troops: strategic missile troops, airborne forces and special troops (logistic and technical provision of troops)!
          That is, 6 allies: SV (ground forces or army), Navy, Aerospace Forces, Strategic Missile Forces, Airborne Forces and SV (special forces)! Oh how! hi
          1. Sergej1972
            Sergej1972 9 March 2022 14: 51
            -1
            The leadership of the Ministry of Defense constantly talks about the Army and Navy, and does not list the types and individual branches of the Armed Forces. I talked with many paratroopers, they consider themselves part of the Army.
            1. ioan-e
              ioan-e 9 March 2022 14: 56
              +1
              Quote: Sergej1972
              The leadership of the Ministry of Defense constantly talks about the Army and Navy, and does not list the types and individual branches of the Armed Forces.

              That's right, so as not to bother the head of ordinary people. But we, who have gathered at the VO, have somewhat greater knowledge in the field of military construction, in contrast to the ordinary inhabitants who are the audience of the Zvezda TV channel.
            2. Doliva63
              Doliva63 9 March 2022 16: 57
              0
              Quote: Sergej1972
              The leadership of the Ministry of Defense constantly talks about the Army and Navy, and does not list the types and individual branches of the Armed Forces. I talked with many paratroopers, they consider themselves part of the Army.

              Cool laughing And who should the paratroopers who served in the Soviet army consider themselves to be? Have you seen the letters on their uniforms? HZ was written there, or what?
          2. Aag
            Aag 9 March 2022 16: 02
            +1
            Quote: ioan-e
            Not offset, that is, a deuce!
            Speaking exactly, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation are divided into types of troops: ground forces, military space forces and the navy, as well as individual types of troops: strategic missile troops, airborne forces and special troops (logistic and technical provision of troops)!
            That is, 6 allies: SV (ground forces or army), Navy, Aerospace Forces, Strategic Missile Forces, Airborne Forces and SV (special forces)! Oh how! hi

            So you can "produce" allies" for a long time. Until the last fighter, a reservist.
            I think the author of the comment had in mind the original phrase. hi
            1. ioan-e
              ioan-e 9 March 2022 16: 57
              +1
              That's what I said in my first post right about the winged expression of Alexander III hi
              1. Aag
                Aag 9 March 2022 18: 27
                +1
                Quote: ioan-e
                That's what I said in my first post right about the winged expression of Alexander III hi

                Not everyone in a righteous impulse (as it seems to them) notices the details (sometimes changing the essence of the commentary to - exactly the opposite). hi
                The Internet is buggy (the capital of Eastern Siberia), - please do not associate my silence with unwillingness to speak out ...
                1. ioan-e
                  ioan-e 10 March 2022 08: 58
                  +1
                  My respect to Irkutsk, a wonderful city, was there in 2017! hi
  3. Thrifty
    Thrifty 9 March 2022 11: 12
    +24
    And where are those herds of minusoids for the whole go-lo'vu that screamed like victims that the West will sell everything to Russia, the only question is the price? The Yankees barked, and the whole "civilized world" was blown away overnight! !!!!!!!! fool fool
    1. English tarantas
      English tarantas 9 March 2022 11: 34
      +8
      h about the West will sell everything to Russia, the only question is the price?

      Gaidar died
      1. YOUR
        YOUR 9 March 2022 11: 39
        +9
        For that, Chubais is alive and in office.
        1. English tarantas
          English tarantas 9 March 2022 14: 02
          0
          Chubais is not on that level. Where to him.
          1. YOUR
            YOUR 9 March 2022 14: 05
            +2
            If you are not in the know, I’ll tell you, its level, i.e. position - Special Representative of the President of the Russian Federation for Relations with International Organizations to Achieve Sustainable Development Goals.
      2. The comment was deleted.
        1. Ilgizl
          Ilgizl 9 March 2022 14: 36
          0
          Great, who is the author?
    2. keeper03
      keeper03 9 March 2022 11: 52
      +4
      Who prevented you from doing this before? recourse Why only now realized?! belay angry
    3. Piramidon
      Piramidon 9 March 2022 13: 28
      0
      Quote: Thrifty
      And where are those herds of minusoids

      In Sumeria, they massively extinguish cellular and Internet
      1. Aag
        Aag 9 March 2022 15: 42
        -3
        Quote: Piramidon
        Quote: Thrifty
        And where are those herds of minusoids

        In Sumeria, they massively extinguish cellular and Internet

        In fairness: find the middle of the Kaliningrad-Vladivostok segment ...
        Here, in the middle, the second week periodically there are problems with mobile Internet (and not only), depending on the mobile operator, etc., etc.
        Was it not predictable?
        1. Piramidon
          Piramidon 9 March 2022 16: 00
          0
          So what? How is it connected? Are they jamming and knocking down towers there too? Once in a couple of years, my Internet is also cut off, then a fiberglass excavator will be dug up, then the air cable between the houses will break due to weather conditions. Technical failures and deliberate disconnection are two very different things.
    4. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 9 March 2022 13: 56
      0
      Quote: Thrifty
      And where are those herds of minusoids for the whole go-lo'vu that screamed like victims that the West will sell everything to Russia, the only question is the price? The Yankees barked, and the whole "civilized world" was blown away overnight! !!!!!!!! fool fool

      Therefore, your teapot is more expensive than a Chinese one, and no one will buy your smartphone. And it makes no sense to build a factory to produce a smartphone that no one will buy
  4. XNUMX%
    XNUMX% 9 March 2022 11: 12
    +16
    Still, the Russians would begin to give names to aircraft. We need to get rid of the euro.p.i.n.d.o.s. of the American - the time has come.
    1. with a bomb
      with a bomb 9 March 2022 11: 20
      -7
      so it means to nationalize "Dry"
      1. XNUMX%
        XNUMX% 9 March 2022 11: 23
        0
        This is no longer our business. More specialized people will be found and decide what to do. But, you will have to change the foundations of the 90s, otherwise everything will wither in the bud. In general, the dough was overexposed - it may not rise.
        1. with a bomb
          with a bomb 9 March 2022 11: 35
          -3
          if not ours, then everything will wither
          1. XNUMX%
            XNUMX% 9 March 2022 11: 37
            -9
            No, it won’t wither ... don’t fart anymore in the tank - it stinks for a long time afterwards.
      2. Flooding
        Flooding 9 March 2022 13: 11
        +4
        Quote: with a bomb
        so it means to nationalize "Dry"


        The main shareholders of the company as of December 31, 2014:

        PJSC United Aircraft Corporation - 57,06%
        Vnesheconombank - 29,81%
        Federal Property Management Agency - 10,66%


        Whose share do you want to nationalize?
        1. XNUMX%
          XNUMX% 9 March 2022 15: 56
          +2
          He is a d.u.r.a.k. provocative, he doesn't really want anything. Thanks for the clarity on the numbers.
    2. Artem76
      Artem76 9 March 2022 11: 28
      +10
      I agree with you. Only when I wrote that you need to have respect for yourself, and write on VAZ cars in your native language and in your own alphabet (as all self-respecting countries do), I was immediately downvoted.

      The main thing here is not to go too far, as it was in the early USSR, when they wanted to rename the ammeter and voltmeter into a current meter and a voltage meter laughing
      1. XNUMX%
        XNUMX% 9 March 2022 11: 32
        -5
        This is the Internet, not a patriotic club. Minus - it means they wrote correctly. We have accumulated no less shit eaters in Russia than now in Ukraine. They need to be provoked precisely to such behavior - let them be minus, let it be seen, they will only harm themselves now.
      2. Che Fedor
        Che Fedor 9 March 2022 13: 03
        0
        Why not?
      3. Bolt cutter
        Bolt cutter 10 March 2022 18: 07
        0
        all self-respecting countries
        The Japanese even write names in English on JDM cars (that is, strictly for the domestic market). Koreans and Chinese too.
    3. Ilgizl
      Ilgizl 9 March 2022 14: 37
      0
      Right. You can give Russian names in Latin, and Old Slavonic, and not Greek.
      1. XNUMX%
        XNUMX% 9 March 2022 16: 53
        0
        There is a normal Russian language of the modern type. Alexander Sergeevich Pushkin corrected it for us, we now speak it, and we should also give names in it. WHAT COULD BE EASIER TO UNDERSTAND? ... What the fuck is the Latin alphabet, what Old Slavonic names? You are sleeping on the go, you are having a delusional nightmare, wake up, pick up a manual on the Russian language and calm down already.
    4. Piramidon
      Piramidon 9 March 2022 16: 47
      0
      Quote: XNUMX%
      Still, the Russians would begin to give names to aircraft. We need to get rid of the euro.p.i.n.d.o.s. of the American - the time has come.

      As the "daughters of officers" say - "not everything is so simple." Do you know, for example, why, many years ago, in the export version, the name "Lada" was replaced by "LADA"? Because some buyers were outraged by the consonance of this word with obscene in their countries. I don’t remember exactly in which, but in some Arab country the word "JIGUL" means - "pimp". Who will buy such a car. Well, then the name stuck. Well, the "superjet" was most likely named so, to please those who initially supplied 70% of the components to it. And now you can’t work back, and you won’t call him by his name, which no one knows. I am also an opponent of Americanisms, but the conjecture of the market dictates all this crap. Moreover, all this is fueled by modern Internet bloggers, who call all our equipment in the American manner.
      1. XNUMX%
        XNUMX% 9 March 2022 17: 00
        0
        You are thinking logically. But it's not a problem. For the foreign market, you can write anything, but inside there must be Russian order, because we live in Russia, we are Russian people. If we do not live and talk in the way that is more natural and easier for our souls, we will not be respected at all. Everything else is not significant.
        1. Artem76
          Artem76 9 March 2022 22: 10
          +1
          I support!!! This idea is what I'm trying to convey to some people. Adapt the names for export, write at least in Latin, even in hieroglyphs, even in ancient runes, but in Russia it MUST be in Russian !!! This is our native language, if we lose it, we will lose ourselves, and there it is easy to lose our homeland !!!
          1. XNUMX%
            XNUMX% 10 March 2022 12: 31
            0
            Thank you for your opinion.
      2. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 9 March 2022 21: 12
        0
        Quote: Piramidon
        As the "daughters of officers" say - "not everything is so simple." Do you know, for example, why, many years ago, in the export version, the name "Lada" was replaced by "LADA"? Because some buyers were outraged by the consonance of this word with obscene in their countries. I don’t remember exactly in which, but in some Arab country the word "JIGUL" means - "pimp".

        Gigolo. So what? And who will buy a wheelbarrow called Faggot from us? There was such a model, I do not remember who. They didn’t sell it to us either, they called it differently.
        1. Repellent
          Repellent 9 March 2022 21: 20
          +2
          Chevrolet Nova. In Spanish "No va" - "cannot move" (one of the translations).

          In general - linguo-shocking words and phrases in nature - well, just unmeasured fellow
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 9 March 2022 22: 25
            0
            Quote: Repellent
            In general - linguo-shocking words and phrases in nature - well, just unmeasured

            Yes. About this
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            Fag
            , all Russian-speaking managers yelled with one voice that not a single normal Russian peasant would buy this jalopy.
            1. Repellent
              Repellent 9 March 2022 22: 28
              +1
              Quote: Mordvin 3
              Fag

              Great, he's a fagot laughing

              A lot of words, the use of which has become taboo. It would seem that a good color is blue ... so what? request
  5. Aleksandr65
    Aleksandr65 9 March 2022 11: 14
    +7
    A good phrase from aviation bosses: "We made plans, but we needed planes."
  6. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 9 March 2022 11: 19
    +5
    It seems to me that, in addition to the local version, it is also necessary to insure the "long" version of the SSG. Somehow they considered an elongated 130 pass.
    1. Nexcom
      Nexcom 9 March 2022 11: 37
      +1
      Are there engines that will pull? The French, and so the resource was not so hot, and then there will be an additional load. The engines were generally designed for the 75 pax version.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 9 March 2022 12: 02
        -1
        There is something more powerful than the PD-8 or something smaller than the PD-14 .... there were projects. Brazilians and Canadians put an analogue of PD-14
        1. Nexcom
          Nexcom 9 March 2022 12: 11
          +2
          And the diameter of the other engine allows you to hang it on a pylon under the wing of the Superjet? And the weight of the engine? The wing spar is not infinitely strong. As far as I know, when designing the PD-8, one of the conditions was that it could be squeezed under the wing of the Superjet. Find the diameter of the French engine and the distance from its lowest point to the runway plane, if you don't mind. There is no reserve for the dimensions of the engine. That was the whole snag that on the Superjet its French engine (specially designed for it) cannot simply be replaced with existing options and models of other engines. If it were that easy, it would have been remotorized long ago.
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 9 March 2022 14: 17
            0
            On the B737 the same story, they put a turbojet engine with a reduced fan
        2. Genry
          Genry 9 March 2022 13: 29
          +1
          Quote: Zaurbek
          Brazilians and Canadians put an analogue of PD-14

          On the take-off weight of the Superjet, albeit a quarter lengthened ??
          What to do with the oversized power and get a deterioration in efficiency.?!
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 9 March 2022 14: 16
            0
            On MC 21 ‎Pratt & Whitney PW1000G
            on A220 PW1500G, 2 x 9550

            Motors of the same series, geared
      2. Genry
        Genry 9 March 2022 13: 22
        0
        Quote: Nexcom
        Are there engines that will pull?

        PD-8 will be with different settings of modes and restrictions.
        Quote: Nexcom
        The engines were generally designed for the 75 pax version.

        There was no such version.
        Confusion in the designation of RRJ-75 (Russian) which is similar to SSJ-95 (international).
        1. Nexcom
          Nexcom 9 March 2022 15: 18
          0
          It may very well be ... I just read that fantasies about lengthening and increasing the number of paks appeared much later than the initial project.
      3. Eraser
        Eraser 9 March 2022 13: 31
        0
        Our designers do not rate the Sam-146 highly in principle, and even 6-8 years ago they were ready to upgrade it, which would improve both its characteristics and manufacturability, and the resource would increase. By the way, service issues most often arose because of the French, who delivered ordered spare parts for months.
        1. Nexcom
          Nexcom 9 March 2022 15: 24
          0
          If I'm not mistaken, the "hot" part of the engine "cracked" there. And it was not possible to agree with the French on making changes to the design. They also dragged out time with the supply of spare parts.
          1. Eraser
            Eraser 9 March 2022 15: 52
            0
            There are many small schools in the hot part, first of all, it seems, each of them is not serious, but they ran together. And you can change any little thing only with the permission of Snecma, and they can’t
            1. Nexcom
              Nexcom 9 March 2022 15: 59
              0
              Some of the alternative materials for the hot part passed through our laboratory - the French did not approve, as we were later informed. This seems to be another reason why they decided to remotorize - how much can you beg them for modernization and improvements? nafik - it’s right that we are making our engine. contacting them is more expensive. and longer.
              1. Pilat2009
                Pilat2009 9 March 2022 17: 24
                -1
                Quote: Nexcom
                right that we make our engine. contacting them is more expensive

                There is a problem with certification. The engine must be certified according to the European protocol. There will be no certification, aircraft will not fly to Europe.
  7. Pavel57
    Pavel57 9 March 2022 11: 20
    +5
    It is not clear from the article why sanctions are not terrible for the Superjet.
    1. XNUMX%
      XNUMX% 9 March 2022 11: 35
      -9
      They just build it and it will fly. Who is there and what is scary - this is the tenth thing.
    2. Nexcom
      Nexcom 9 March 2022 11: 36
      0
      Manturov swore that they stocked up on the components, which is probably why. We will probably have time to roll out a version on domestic components.
  8. Alexfly
    Alexfly 9 March 2022 11: 23
    +5
    The ministers bleated, but where were they when the specialists shouted about the destruction of the aircraft industry ?? Exclusive kickbacks....
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 9 March 2022 11: 40
      -1
      MS 21 specialists also dealt with IL 114 - 300, in which the share of domestic components has been increased to 97%, and this year they will begin to be mass-produced.
      1. Alexfly
        Alexfly 9 March 2022 11: 48
        0
        IL-114, he is 35 years old, and he is still on the ground .... This is a consequence of the collapse and the subsequent absence of a planned economy (development and production planning)
        1. Spasatel
          Spasatel 9 March 2022 12: 13
          +6
          And our government is already thirty years old, how do you give a damn about everything except your own pocket. Only now, when the fried rooster pecked at the f @ ny, at least some stirring began ...
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 9 March 2022 14: 52
          -3
          For domestic airlines, the new IL 114 300 is the best replacement for Embraers and yes, the updated one is already in the air

          This is a consequence of the collapse and the subsequent lack of a planned economy (development and production planning). A planned market economy is everywhere - but the planned distribution economy that the USSR had, Russia no longer needs it, it has no flexibility, it works very poorly for the demand of the population at the household level.
          1. Genry
            Genry 9 March 2022 17: 15
            0
            Quote: Vadim237
            IL 114 300 is the new best replacement for Embraers and yes, the updated one is already in the air

            In the air, while out of touch. It was launched for the sake of testing new mechanical units and avionics.
            The new one will be according to other documentation with changes (there were design flaws).
          2. Alexfly
            Alexfly 10 March 2022 11: 20
            0
            Any system is not ideal, planning and distribution is not bad, provided that people using it for personal purposes should be isolated from society, better with the whole family ... Siberia is great .. sorry
  9. YOUR
    YOUR 9 March 2022 11: 24
    -3
    This import substitution has already set the teeth on edge. And nothing has changed.
  10. English tarantas
    English tarantas 9 March 2022 11: 32
    -3
    Even names and words cannot replace imports. They all have primaries, a road map and Kalashnikov, where are the planes. Maybe it would be worthwhile to assemble aircraft from parts ready for production, and not try to finish in agony, something that they could not do for so many years before? Well, it will be worse than foreign ones, but at least it will be.
  11. Dikson
    Dikson 9 March 2022 11: 33
    +1
    It seems to me that in addition to engines, there is still a lot of foreign stuff ... Kamaz, too, was left without American engines, and remembered his native V8, 1997 edition .. That is, for 25 years in Tatarstan, his new engine has not developed .. but why ?! - you can still buy, as it turned out ..)))
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 9 March 2022 11: 41
      -4
      You probably haven't heard about R6.
  12. Alien From
    Alien From 9 March 2022 11: 35
    0
    As always, until the rooster pecks in the ass, no one moves .....
  13. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 9 March 2022 11: 35
    0
    England reports that today she detained a Russian plane. Who knows which one?
  14. Alemax
    Alemax 9 March 2022 11: 36
    -6
    And what for do we need these super-superjets? Yes, and with an unreliable, hastily adopted engine?
    Since we no longer fly to Europe, we can divide the air fleet of all sorts of watermelons and boengs, some to vandalize, others for domestic transportation. 5 years is enough for this rubbish.
    In addition, there is such a life as the Tu-204, which was undeservedly pushed aside. There are many things to avoid making hysterical decisions related to the profit of some uds.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 9 March 2022 15: 01
      -4
      For domestic flights and flights to the near abroad, the Tu 204 is already outdated physically and morally, and more than 220 Superjets have been produced and now the domestic engine and units are being completed and completely domestic Superjets will be produced on the existing production base.
      1. Alemax
        Alemax 9 March 2022 17: 46
        +2
        Aircraft of the Tu-204/214 family meet all modern requirements for safety, noise on the ground and the emission of harmful substances [4]. The Tu-204 modifications in operation comply with the requirements of ICAO and Eurocontrol for vertical separation and navigation accuracy, are allowed to fly to the countries of the European Union without restrictions, and also operate regular flights around the world, including the countries of North and South America


        Wikipedia quote for the alternatively gifted.
        The Tu-204/214 is an excellent machine with a great modernization potential, made by SPECIALISTS of civil aviation and brought to mind during operation, and the super-wait just did not lie next to this machine.
      2. faiver
        faiver 10 March 2022 05: 50
        0
        For domestic flights
        - Magadan-Moscow, Yakutsk-Moscow, Vladivostok-Moscow and so on, these are all domestic flights, and the SSJ will not pull them ...
      3. mark1
        mark1 10 March 2022 08: 33
        0
        Quote: Vadim237
        For domestic flights and flights to the near abroad, the Tu 204 is already outdated physically and morally, and Superjets

        Tu-204s never cross paths with a superjet. From 23 to 27, I think, 204/214s can be produced (150-300 pieces) but, subject to coordinated modernization, they will go further
  15. Sailor
    Sailor 9 March 2022 11: 39
    0
    Everything is fine, if only it would be less for managers who are more really involved in the process - engineers and employees of enterprises.
  16. vic02
    vic02 9 March 2022 11: 43
    +1
    Quote: XNUMX%
    Still, the Russians would begin to give names to aircraft. We need to get rid of the euro.p.i.n.d.o.s. of the American - the time has come.

    Here's a plus for that. Stupid English-language newspeak should be disposed of everywhere. You need to respect your language.
  17. know
    know 9 March 2022 11: 44
    +5
    Personally, I liked the Superjet more than Boeings and Airbuses - perhaps, of course, these cars are simply “completely dead” with us. But the interior of the Superjet is more civilized, and the seats are more comfortable (and the distance between them is greater), and there are fewer different squeaks and extraneous sounds during the flight.
    In general, of course, the people who killed the Russian aircraft industry should be shot live. And turn the Yeltsin Center into a museum of the "dashing 90s".
    1. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 9 March 2022 13: 28
      -2
      Quote: vet
      Personally, I liked the Superjet more than Boeings and Airbuses - perhaps, of course, these cars are simply “completely dead” with us. But the interior of the Superjet is more civilized, and the seats are more comfortable (and the distance between them is greater), and there are fewer different squeaks and extraneous sounds during the flight.
      In general, of course, the people who killed the Russian aircraft industry should be shot live. And turn the Yeltsin Center into a museum of the "dashing 90s".

      You tell this to the burned-out passengers who did not have time to evacuate
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 9 March 2022 15: 03
        -3
        Pilots were to blame for this accident, who landed the plane too steeply, which caused the destruction of the landing gear of the fuel tanks and a fire.
        1. Pilat2009
          Pilat2009 9 March 2022 15: 58
          0
          Quote: Vadim237
          destruction of the landing gear of the fuel tanks and fire.

          That's right, but the doors are located so inconveniently that passengers couldn't get to them.
    2. Aag
      Aag 9 March 2022 16: 16
      -2
      Quote: vet
      Personally, I liked the Superjet more than Boeings and Airbuses - perhaps, of course, these cars are simply “completely dead” with us. But the interior of the Superjet is more civilized, and the seats are more comfortable (and the distance between them is greater), and there are fewer different squeaks and extraneous sounds during the flight.
      In general, of course, the people who killed the Russian aircraft industry should be shot live. And turn the Yeltsin Center into a museum of the "dashing 90s".

      How did you, in passing, from the passenger seat evaluate the aircraft, and even more so, its preference in the airlines of the Russian Federation ?!
      Agree - if you ride as a passenger in a Maybach, this does not mean that you decide to purchase it for yourself (spouse, children ...)
      I don't think I need to explain why.
      Sorry for the rough example. hi
      1. Alemax
        Alemax 9 March 2022 17: 40
        0
        Yes, he appreciated it from commercials. If I had flown a couple of times and compared according to normal, there would not have been such enthusiasm.
  18. rocket757
    rocket757 9 March 2022 11: 45
    +1
    Russia is accelerating the creation of a new version of the SSJ100 aircraft, taking into account import substitution
    . Yes, the desire to cooperate, to lie under Western partners, is costly for our country.
    All those who wish to hang where they need to, for what they need ... whatever it would be for others, if they do something together, then think IN ADVANCE what will happen if suddenly, again and again, the "unexpected" happens!
    And so, our aircraft industry needs to be raised to the required heights.
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 9 March 2022 12: 01
      -3
      Quote: rocket757
      And so, our aircraft industry needs to be raised to the required heights.

      A lot of things are needed, including the aviation industry. But:
      - Western long-term loans are not available;
      - "our" Central Bank (Nabiulina) raised the rate by 20% i.e. these loans are also not available;
      - Railway (Belozerov) requires 100% prepayment, and loans are heavy, etc...
      - thanks to these "comrades" the exchange of goods in the country already stopped...
      so in a month, when everything is over in the warehouses, we are waiting for the "fun" 90s ...
      There will be no time for planes ...

      This is if no radical measures are taken against the 5th column.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 9 March 2022 12: 12
        0
        Quote: Boris55
        This is if no radical measures are taken against the 5th column.

        The obvious ... but to believe that the necessary will happen is somehow difficult.
        1. Aag
          Aag 9 March 2022 18: 38
          +1
          Quote: rocket757
          Quote: Boris55
          This is if no radical measures are taken against the 5th column.

          The obvious ... but to believe that the necessary will happen is somehow difficult.

          Your comment is ... variegated))).
          Apparently - life experience!
          But, I remember the episode at work:
          Chief: Are you so happy?
          Me: I'm addicted to sanctions!
          ... If without artistry - you will agree - part of the sanctions - this is what they talked about, what they demanded, at least part of those present here.
          I am perfectly aware of what this is fraught with for ordinary people (coupons, tighten their belts ...).
          I understand)) _ will not do without distortions.
          But it was high time to start somewhere! hi
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 9 March 2022 20: 44
            +1
            I would like to be optimistic, but knowledge of the realities is not given.
            1. Aag
              Aag 9 March 2022 21: 09
              +1
              Quote: rocket757
              I would like to be optimistic, but knowledge of the realities is not given.

              In this regard, I agree with you.
              But! You know, I want to believe, on purpose, intentionally, or "accidentally", but we, the people of the Russian Federation, are in such a situation that ... only forward! And with a song!))). Difficulties until the end of days (mine, at least) will be enough. But there is hope that the children will live the way their great-grandfathers dreamed. hi
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 10 March 2022 08: 56
                +1
                Quote: AAG
                we, the people of the Russian Federation, are in such a situation that ... only forward! And with a song!

                The song helps us to build and live! Our songs are good, if you sing exactly SONGS ...
  19. gansales
    gansales 9 March 2022 11: 53
    -2
    Finally, Russia will have its own civil aviation, and so on. !
    I hope the adherents of the West understood how it is possible to occupy and destroy Russia without a war?
    Well, now (the Boeings have been taken away from us) and it is clear to everyone that we need to produce our own!
    And in general, to be independent ..
    Z
    1. iouris
      iouris 9 March 2022 12: 21
      +3
      Will. Necessarily. But not now. Between 65-year-old and 22-year-old engineers, 30 years of effective management created a Torricious void. And it was not yesterday that universities switched to training such as "lawyers" and other "economists". The Ministry of Aviation Industry has not existed for a long time.
  20. iouris
    iouris 9 March 2022 11: 55
    0
    In the cost of the aircraft, a large share is "avionics". In addition, it is necessary to localize the production of airfield service complexes, air navigation and landing equipment. And, of course, the "engine".
    "Arrived - gently sat down ..."
    1. Eraser
      Eraser 9 March 2022 13: 45
      +2
      [quote] ... it is necessary to localize the production of airfield service complexes, air navigation and landing equipment. [/quote]
      Opanki, now I’ll go and tell the peasants that, it turns out, we all need to be localized with the airfield equipment we produce belay
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 9 March 2022 15: 05
      0
      KRET has been doing this for a long time and supplies equipment.
      1. iouris
        iouris 9 March 2022 15: 09
        0
        Is the aircraft equipment of the Superjet manufactured by KRET? Most likely, it will be necessary to completely replace the equipment with its analogues, even if the technical characteristics of analogues are lower.
  21. Spasatel
    Spasatel 9 March 2022 12: 05
    +4
    Something happened that should have happened sometime. There were a lot of Western-heads in Russian media resources campaigning for Boeings and Airbuses as cooler and more economical compared to ours. Well, have you campaigned? Did you think it would always be like this? This is for you idiots, there is a Russian proverb "No mind, consider yourself a cripple ..."
    1. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 9 March 2022 13: 25
      -3
      Quote: Spasatel
      Something happened that should have happened sometime. There were a lot of Western-heads in Russian media resources campaigning for Boeings and Airbuses as cooler and more economical compared to ours. Well, have you campaigned? Did you think it would always be like this? This is for you idiots, there is a Russian proverb "No mind, consider yourself a cripple ..."

      If some people hadn’t climbed into Ukraine, then there wouldn’t have been any problems at all. Elbrus was badly riveted in Taiwan, but now that’s all. And China has already been threatened that if they supply it quietly, they will simply stop production
      1. Egg
        Egg 9 March 2022 14: 45
        +3
        Quote: Pilat2009
        then there would be no problem at all.

        Do you really believe that there would be no problems? Then you need to see a doctor... wassat
        What was planned and started in 1945 continues even now, no matter what the president of the United States is, the country's course towards the collapse of the USSR, and now Russia continues to this day. We have already reached our borders, if the special had not begun. operation in Ukraine, launchers in a couple of months would already be in Kharkov and Sumy.
        As a resident of Belgorod, I do not smile at all to have such neighbors.
        1. Aag
          Aag 9 March 2022 16: 53
          +1
          [quote = Telur] [quote = Pilat2009] then there would be no problems at all [/ quote]
          Do you really believe that there would be no problems? Then you need to see a doctor... wassat
          What was planned and started in 1945 continues even now, no matter what the president of the United States is, the country's course towards the collapse of the USSR, and now Russia continues to this day. We have already reached our borders, if the special had not begun. operation in Ukraine, launchers in a couple of months would already be in Kharkov and Sumy.
          As a resident of Belgorod, I don’t smile at all to have such an early medieval life and a person lived (Pilat 2009) more or less, maybe “fat”. It can be just tolerable (although, at the everyday level, it can be very difficult ... here, with all due respect to the problems that arise ... although, they all have a different order).
          And you, dear Telur, some commentators will now consider you a "victim of pro-Putin propaganda" ...
          IMHO: this could not continue for a long time.
          Right, wrong, that thirty years "created" ...?
          Well, I don’t have reliable information. I think, like the vast majority of members of the forum. There is personal experience, observations, anger and resentment... But an invincible desire to live, to work for the good of His country has been preserved (whoever wants, let him join!)!.
          ..Well, and since the situevina is quite significant (I won’t say that it’s critical), I dare to report that, according to indirect data, (yes, not the USSR of the early Brezhnev era ...), but the Strategic Missile Forces will fulfill their task. a number of indicators, it may have slipped, but it is sufficient to fulfill the plans of the General Staff) /
          Not the first time ... Passed by ... In the 90s, it may seem like a game to someone (I remind you - then the SA and the Congress of People's Deputies shot from tanks), "discussions" sometimes flared up behind the consoles on the topic - is it worth it to work out The order to launch - maybe at least something alive on Earth will remain ?.
          ... It was extinguished at the everyday, peasant level ... Without bringing it to the special officers ...
          Now, too, there are enough idiots... To know Fate. Let's overcome! hi
        2. Pilat2009
          Pilat2009 11 March 2022 18: 12
          -1
          Quote: Telur
          would already be in Kharkov and Sumy.

          Kamrad, from the Baltic states and Finland to Moscow is closer than from Sumy. And Finland, looking at this lawlessness, was gathering into NATO
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 9 March 2022 15: 06
        0
        And China was directly frightened - from the United States, maybe the same robust answer will simply leave its trillion bucks from the economy and capture Taiwan.
      3. Genry
        Genry 9 March 2022 17: 33
        -2
        Quote: Pilat2009
        Elbrus riveted poorly in Taiwan, but now that’s all. And China has already been threatened that if it delivers on the sly, they will simply stop production

        Uncle Petya, you ....???
        Russia is the supplier of 80% of sapphire substrates for LSI. Let them just blather and have no electronics.
        Taiwan will soon be Chinese.
        And China is already starting to produce its equipment for the process technology up to 5nm.
        And Russia is developing equipment for patternless chip manufacturing. Large series are not profitable, but for their special customers and developers - that's it.
        1. Pilat2009
          Pilat2009 9 March 2022 20: 00
          -1
          Quote: Genry
          Russia is the supplier of 80% of sapphire substrates for LSI.

          Strange, but I heard about 40%, and not substrates, but sapphires
          1. Genry
            Genry 9 March 2022 20: 16
            +1
            Sapphires are also used to make jewelry and glass coatings (for example, in smartphones), etc.
            Specifically, I was talking about stretched silicon substrates for complex microcircuits.
            1. Pilat2009
              Pilat2009 9 March 2022 21: 44
              -3
              Quote: Genry
              I specifically talked about stretched silicon substrates for complex microcircuits

              I don’t believe that in the West they can’t make some kind of substrate
              1. Genry
                Genry 9 March 2022 22: 59
                +1
                Those who could have died from competition long ago (as in the nuclear industry).
                And the new production is unlikely to pay off and it takes a lot of time to start and special conditions for seismicity.
  22. Magellan
    Magellan 9 March 2022 12: 41
    -5
    As the saying goes, "thunder will not strike - the peasant will not cross himself." I hope they speed it up not only in words.
  23. Crete 25
    Crete 25 9 March 2022 13: 07
    0
    Of course, haste is only good for catching fleas, but let's hope everything works out.
  24. lot
    lot 9 March 2022 13: 12
    -2
    dragging yachts of oligarchs along the rivers - that's all import substitution. You can also attach barges.
    aviation and under favorable circumstances could not for 30 years.
    forget.
  25. Pilat2009
    Pilat2009 9 March 2022 13: 22
    -2
    Well, it’s clear that now all the holes will be plugged with this pepelats. The most problematic aircraft in terms of safety and maintainability
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 9 March 2022 15: 09
      -4
      In terms of safety, the most reliable - there were only two accidents and the pilots were to blame for both - there will be no maintainability problems in the updated Superjet, since all components and assemblies and spare parts will be Russian-made.
  26. lisiy prapor
    lisiy prapor 9 March 2022 14: 25
    0
    Have you ever thought, where are Il-s, Tu-shki, Yak-i? Solntseliky has been in power for 22 years - this is more than Humpbacked and Drunkard combined. Everything, now only on a train.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 9 March 2022 15: 13
      -5
      IL 114 300, MS 21 Superjet Neo replacement An 2 was recently launched into the air at the expense of long-range highways, there is IL 96 400, it is now being modernized and launched into the series, it will be enough for us until our counterpart to the Boeing 777 is made good PD 35 for such a new aircraft created in Russia.
      1. lisiy prapor
        lisiy prapor 9 March 2022 15: 21
        -1
        All this is just good intentions. Personnel (who will be at the machines or at the assembly) where? I'm afraid it will be like with the "global plans" from Roscosmos with all the "Clippers" and "Federations", i.e. "draw, let's live"
      2. lisiy prapor
        lisiy prapor 9 March 2022 15: 22
        -2
        All this is just good intentions. Personnel (who will be at the machines or at the assembly) where? I'm afraid it will be like with the "global plans" from Roscosmos with all the "Clippers" and "Federations", i.e. "draw, let's live"
    2. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 9 March 2022 22: 17
      +1
      Quote: lisiy prapor
      Yak-i?

      After the accident of Lokomotiv hockey players, Medvedev said that since we do not know how to make planes, we will buy abroad. But the cars were great.
  27. Obstacle
    Obstacle 9 March 2022 18: 03
    0
    Well, in this case, the name should be without anglicisms that have set the teeth on edge, purely in Russian. Something like Krechet, Owl ... IMHO.
    1. Kuzmitsky
      9 March 2022 21: 22
      0
      Logically. Russian products should be called in Russian. Perhaps they decided to give an English-language name based on the calculation. what will be exported, but, as world experience shows, a name that is understandable in meaning is not the most important thing, as long as the product is good.

      After all, we are used to all kinds of Pepsicols, Panasonics, Headensholders and Volkswagens. So importers, if they like the product, will get used to Gyrfalcons and Eagle Owls.
  28. Aag
    Aag 9 March 2022 19: 16
    0
    I looked through all the comments (as of 18.00 Moscow time) ... Only two mentions of the Tu-204 (214,314)!
    Yes, not the latest car (like the Boeing 737 ..., for example).
    But, completely domestic! (if not right, - specialists, please correct with explanations), unlike SJ, and MS-21 ...
    I don’t know who, on the basis of what, is waving their hats: like, MS - 21, now we’ll launch it all over the world!
    If I am not mistaken (if I am mistaken, please correct me), "Irkut" promised (!) By the 30th year up to (!) 70 aircraft per year.
    Agree, the situation is now somewhat different. (And Drying will be needed ...)
    I'm waiting for the arguments from the experts ...
    So far, at the level of plasterers-painters, there is not even enough space in Irkutsk.
    1. Evgesha
      Evgesha 10 March 2022 11: 15
      +1
      Absolutely in the hole!!!!!
      MS-21 - God forbid, start mass production in 2023 .. master five pieces in a year
      and then in 2024 at least a dozen more pieces ...
      And we need at least two hundred or three hundred such boards - but with such a scale of production it will be hard.
      Therefore, I agree with you - it’s not good to scatter caps
  29. Junior Private
    Junior Private 9 March 2022 22: 48
    +1
    Quote: Repellent
    Chevrolet Nova. In Spanish "No va" - "cannot move" (one of the translations).

    In general - linguo-shocking words and phrases in nature - well, just unmeasured fellow

    Continuing the automotive theme: Opel Mocha was changed to Mokka for the Russian market, and Mitsubishi Montero and Pajero are the same model, only the last word is translated from Spanish as something like Dzyuba. bully And "the yacht must be named correctly", well, so that it would "float correctly".
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  31. Adagka
    Adagka 10 March 2022 12: 57
    +1
    Quote: Vadim237
    And China was directly frightened - from the United States, maybe the same robust answer will simply leave its trillion bucks from the economy and capture Taiwan.

    Apparently, yes, China was scared, they have already refused to supply spare parts, they will tell us not to supply chips to us and will not supply them, just like everything else
    in a couple of months, we will all feel the effect of all these restrictions. that's when we'll talk when the patriotic hangover passes.
  32. Nexcom
    Nexcom 10 March 2022 13: 17
    0
    China refused to supply spare parts for foreign aircraft to Russia. Here are your allies-partners .....