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A large batch of Soviet-made MANPADS was stolen from warehouses in Benghazi

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The Libyan Islamist group Raf-Allah al-Sakhati stated that a large batch of Soviet-made MANPADS was stolen from its base in Benghazi, Kommersant reports.

As the newspaper notes, “experts do not exclude that MANPADS can fall into the hands of terrorists operating in neighboring countries. It was precisely such a development of events that the US feared: after the overthrow of M. Gaddafi, the destruction of MANPADS was one of the main tasks of the American special services in Libya.

The authorities of Tripoli, for their part, recognize that there are no combat-ready government units in Benghazi that could conduct a search and confiscation operation of stolen MANPADS.

As Kommersant writes, “Washington was afraid of just such a development of events: back in November last year, the USA allocated 40 million to buy MANPADS stolen by Libyan rebels from army stores after taking Tripoli and overthrowing M. Gaddafi. The task was only partially solved: the Americans themselves admit that Libyan militants who fought on the side of the opposition were transferring MANPADS abroad. ”

Kommersant also notes that a considerable part of MANPADS remained at the disposal of various Libyan groups and tribal formations. In total, according to US intelligence, the country may be up to 1 thousand unregistered Soviet-made Strela and Igla MANPADS.

At the same time, according to Kommersant, referring to expert opinion, “it’s possible that in fact, no one kidnapped the MANPADS in Benghazi, and the leaders of Raf-Allah al-Sakhati used the attack on their base, in order to “legalize” their loss and, thereby, disclaim responsibility for the further resale of the complexes to the Islamists in neighboring countries. ”

Despite Washington’s best efforts, the situation seems to be spinning out of control, states Kommersant.

COMMENT TSAMTO

Back in March, TSAMTO warned of the possibility of an uncontrolled leakage of Soviet-made MANPADS from military depots in Libya. Unfortunately, these concerns were later repeatedly confirmed. The last fact of the theft of MANPADS from warehouses in Benghazi was no exception.

As TSAMTO noted at that time, one of the consequences of the military operation of the coalition forces against M. Gaddafi’s regime could be the appearance on the “black” weapons market of MANPADS, which both the Libyan army and the rebel groups had.

The borders of Libya since the beginning of the intra-Libyan conflict and up to the present time are practically not controlled, so there is a constant risk that part of MANPADS can be smuggled into neighboring countries and resold to terrorist groups operating in the Middle East, including Al-Qaida ", And subsequently used to commit acts of terrorism in various regions of the world.

A year and a half ago, TSAMTO expressed the opinion that the leading intelligence agencies of the world should take coordinated actions to prevent such a threat, using the whole arsenal of methods and tools at their disposal. However, in the future, this function was unilaterally assumed by the US intelligence services, which in the end turned out to be “not easy” for them.
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  1. ShturmKGB
    ShturmKGB 26 September 2012 13: 15
    +24
    And these MANPADS will most likely appear in Syria ...
    1. Antipetian 2
      Antipetian 2 26 September 2012 13: 18
      0
      It is quite possible, although I have already heard information for a long time, from Alexander Lukashenko, however comical it may seem. He said that in Libya MANPADS "were lying along the roads," that is take it i don't want
      1. ded
        ded 26 September 2012 14: 38
        +2
        Antipetyan 2,

        Well, he knows that for sure, since it was he who sold these weapons in unlimited and uncontrolled quantities.
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 26 September 2012 15: 46
        0
        Quote: Antipetyan 2
        Antipetian 2

        Oh, what kind of people are you promised to do "beautifully" if something is refuted to you there, well, there are arguments. Where and when wink Just look do it shitty, you will remodel wassat
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 26 September 2012 13: 38
      +13
      ShturmKGB
      “It was precisely this development of events that Washington feared:

      Then you can not comment on this nonsense, they themselves destroyed the country, and now they have concerns. I hope that some of the MANPADS will be in Afghanistan, where they are severely lacking in the fight against democracy.
      1. Big lexey
        Big lexey 26 September 2012 14: 17
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Then you can not comment on this nonsense, they themselves destroyed the country, and now they have concerns. I hope that some of the MANPADS will be in Afghanistan, where they are severely lacking in the fight against democracy.

        Not with democracy, since such a form of government is not bad, but with democratizers.
        I'm only afraid that it won't come true. The Americans will try to make this arsenal “surface” where it suits them.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 26 September 2012 14: 39
          +4
          Quote: BigLexey

          Not with democracy, since such a form of government is not bad,

          Only in the end where there is democracy does homosexuality and other perversions begin to flourish. A hoot of democracy, but a democrat at a expense!
        2. Yasen Ping
          Yasen Ping 26 September 2012 20: 24
          -1
          Is government not a bad form? and who do you want to be, a demos or slaves?
          1. Dmitry23RUS
            Dmitry23RUS 26 September 2012 22: 33
            +1
            With a good king and slaves not bad =)
      2. pavlo007
        pavlo007 26 September 2012 14: 58
        0
        Well, why in Afghanistan ... It would be better in the States ... closer to the airports. We don’t have all of them to develop democracy in the Caucasus - let them try the taste and color of democracy that they are sowing.
      3. d.gksueyjd
        d.gksueyjd 26 September 2012 15: 36
        +1
        The United States and NATO will now experience on their own skin what our guys in Afghanistan felt when supplying "Stingers" to the tribes fighting for "democracy"
    3. afire
      afire 26 September 2012 14: 07
      +1
      The information may also turn out to be fake, the US scare in view of the recent events with the film by everyone known, but few watched
    4. nokki
      nokki 26 September 2012 14: 31
      +1
      It would be better if they ended up in the USA, so that it would be inconvenient for someone to extinguish bonfires with gasoline!
    5. Tirpitz
      Tirpitz 26 September 2012 15: 38
      0
      ShturmKGB
      And these MANPADS will most likely appear in Syria.

      If only in the Caucasus, given the transparency of the borders there, this is quite likely. So the Russian Federation can be distracted from Syria and Iran for a long time.
    6. Gorchakov
      Gorchakov 26 September 2012 16: 07
      +3
      Rather, of course, in Syria ... Although these MANPADS can appear wherever the planes of Iran, Russia, China, Venezuela, etc. fly ... After all, they will "slam", and there will be no one to present .... Americans, and I I think that this is the handiwork of the CIA, they can give the command to destroy the aircraft of any power, even the friendly United States, in order to provoke any interethnic conflict or war ... , removes all suspicions from them ... Let's wait for news about the fallen planes ...
    7. Gluxar
      Gluxar 26 September 2012 18: 28
      0
      Not only there. And in Israel and in Mali and in Turkey.
  2. Bugor
    Bugor 26 September 2012 13: 20
    +3
    And again the emphasis on the fact that "Soviet production" !!!
    Is NATO so afraid of our weapons that until now, after 20 years, is our OUR weapons are able to fight them?
    I would just be shy to say this ...
    1. urzul
      urzul 26 September 2012 13: 26
      +6
      Not afraid, this is a continuation of the creation of the image of the bloody regime.
    2. Tirpitz
      Tirpitz 26 September 2012 13: 59
      0
      Quote: Bugor
      Is NATO so afraid of our weapons

      For a fighter, they are not afraid, for helicopters it can be, but for transport and civil aviation - yes. Etozh how many civilian liners around the world can be beaten. This terror is so terror.
  3. segamegament
    segamegament 26 September 2012 13: 21
    +13
    And what prevented the Pindos and the beaten little ones from landing the special forces once again and destroying these MANPADS? No, they were trying to achieve that MANPADS were dispersed in the region and for it. This is the strategy of the Anglo-Saxons aimed at unleashing a war in the region. Now from MANPADS it is possible to bring down a "Turk" and the Ottomans will not forgive the second plane to the Syrians or something like that. They can overwhelm a Jewish woman and then it is exactly the beginning of the end ...
    1. Gorchakov
      Gorchakov 26 September 2012 16: 10
      0
      Absolutely true .... That is what is to be expected ....
  4. Vodrak
    Vodrak 26 September 2012 13: 31
    +2
    Played out in democracy, damn it ....
  5. Strashila
    Strashila 26 September 2012 13: 34
    +2
    The Americans were striving for this, they got it. It was chiki farts for a year, and then they took it and stealed it. What is the reason for deliveries if there are such bad guys. We are waiting for news from Syria and not only from there.
    1. Ustas
      Ustas 27 September 2012 07: 31
      0
      Quote: Strashila
      The Americans were striving for this, they got it. For a year there were chiki-farts, and then take them and steal them

      And you noticed that MANPADS were stolen from Islamic militants.
      Libyan Islamist group Raf-Allah al-Sahati claims that a large batch of MANPADS has been stolen from its base in Benghazi

      Most likely, there was no theft, just under this guise MANPADS were transported to Syria for the SSA with the knowledge and on the orders of the US State Department.
  6. VVooVVaa
    VVooVVaa 26 September 2012 13: 43
    +4
    And why are these MANPADS actively unused during the fighting?
  7. SSR
    SSR 26 September 2012 13: 44
    +1
    Quote: Bugor
    Is NATO so afraid of our weapons that until now, after 20 years, our OUR weapons are capable of fighting them?

    yes, they are not "afraid" of him ..... in theory, we (civilians) should be afraid ... if this weapon pops up, for example, near the airport "Charles de Gaulle" and do not let Gudai be shot down by a passenger plane ....
    1. Imagine what will be the resonance around the world ..
    2. Imagine how this will untie the hands of governments (yes yes new laws)
    3. Imagine how much more money you can cut
    4. and imagine how the government announces .. for example, jihad to Qatar and Saudi ... (you can ascribe any other state)
    in general, this is so offhand
  8. rinzhak
    rinzhak 26 September 2012 13: 53
    +2
    very interesting what
    But what if it’s not an abduction, but it’s just all been planned like that ?!
    1. Gorchakov
      Gorchakov 26 September 2012 16: 16
      +1
      I agree. Now it's up to the small. Any radio-controlled aircraft of the USA, Turkey, Qatar, France, Great Britain, etc., get off this territory of Iran or Syria by this MANPADS. and get on a silver platter a reason to invade the country from which the launch was made ... Rather, you are right and this is a planned operation .....
    2. vylvyn
      vylvyn 27 September 2012 11: 01
      +1
      Or maybe it's not a theft, but a sale. The Arabs are still those merchants - why should nothing disappear in vain, and keeping such a guard is dangerous for health (specialists can descend, pile up a pill and take everything for free. It will be a shame then, hear, yes?) laughing
  9. sir.jonn
    sir.jonn 26 September 2012 13: 55
    +1
    So, what is the reason for the chatter in the UN that while there is no need to create a no-fly zone over Syria, it will soon be organized
  10. bubla5
    bubla5 26 September 2012 14: 12
    +1
    Now they are being transported to the United States and Europe, which the NATO forces were working hard to achieve ....
  11. JonnyT
    JonnyT 26 September 2012 14: 14
    +2
    Love for Syria !!!! Yes, and the Taliban will buy, amers themselves dig a grave .... now Prince Harry can’t fly quietly!
  12. stasuk
    stasuk 26 September 2012 14: 30
    0
    The Americans will play out in the end, the very goal of imposing Russia on its military bases, from the beginning the ambassador to Libya, now MANPADS, well, well!
  13. Drappier
    Drappier 26 September 2012 14: 35
    +2
    We are waiting for news ala "A large batch of American-made fighters disappeared in the Middle East" wassat
  14. maxon109
    maxon109 26 September 2012 14: 36
    +1
    God forbid that they fall into the right hands and are used against amers
  15. sxn278619
    sxn278619 26 September 2012 15: 07
    +1
    If you sell MANPADS, and grenade launchers abroad, always be prepared that they will be in your territory despite any restrictions in the sales agreement. And the NEEDLE most of all strikes our planes and helicopters with thermal traps, as they were the targets in the tests.
    1. Perch_xnumx
      Perch_xnumx 26 September 2012 15: 39
      -2
      There is a friend-or-foe system at MANPADS, which is precisely why the Czechs in Chechnya could not shoot from MANPADS.
  16. IRBIS
    IRBIS 26 September 2012 15: 11
    +1
    These are not even monkeys with grenades ... If they have an intelligent skull, which can be brainwashed to develop a simultaneous use of "losses" in various countries against civilian aircraft, then one day a "big boom" may happen. The only thing that can now be recommended to the residents of Western countries (especially after the anti-Islamic cartoons and movies) is to use the railroad transport. And then until in the next, "democratized" country, explosives were not stolen from warehouses.
  17. artist-mamluk
    artist-mamluk 26 September 2012 15: 27
    +2
    Yes, God help our specialists in the Caucasus not to miss all this d..mo.
  18. ovfilin
    ovfilin 26 September 2012 15: 28
    +3
    The trouble is, if for our Russian money, "the right hands" end up in Ingushetia or Dagestan.
  19. Novosibirsky
    Novosibirsky 26 September 2012 15: 29
    +1
    Under Syria, a workpiece ... Amer podsulilis.
  20. Sasha 19871987
    Sasha 19871987 26 September 2012 15: 30
    +2
    the sad news ... oh, and these roads are MANPADS, they will appreciate it on the black market, I hope that they will not shoot down civilian planes by them ....
  21. andrei332809
    andrei332809 26 September 2012 16: 22
    +2
    you don't even need to guess at whose direction and where they will manifest themselves. The flightless regime has not passed, the Assad uses aviation, it is necessary to urgently help the "rebels". and if they shoot down a couple of civilians, it’s good again. You accuse Assad of not being able to ensure the safety of international airlines and bring in troops to "ensure security." I will not be surprised if the amerovsky one is shot down, and after six months it turns out that the liner was insured for a very large amount
  22. AK-74-1
    AK-74-1 26 September 2012 16: 55
    0
    Apparently the theft of MANPADS and the assassination of the Amer ambassador links of one chain. Most likely the ground is being prepared for an invasion of Syria or Iran. Most likely, reasons for invasion will now be created, and after the Amer’s caricature of the election, a mess will begin.
    1. Gluxar
      Gluxar 26 September 2012 18: 32
      0
      Your logic is strange. For the forces of the anti-Iranian coalition, these MANPADS do not matter, and for the general noise, they are even harmful. Now it will not be possible to accuse Iran of sponsoring terrorists who shot down the plane of the "vice president" or any civilian. Now these are all the terrorists who launched the bombardment of the United States and France.
  23. cobra66
    cobra66 26 September 2012 17: 02
    0
    Now news about the downed turntables of NATO
    Another question is how on the MANPADS (which in the picture) is the capture of the target?
  24. Beetle-a
    Beetle-a 26 September 2012 18: 54
    0
    Old Soviet MANPADS. What storage lines do they have? Batteries are dead long ago. And the Arabs hardly have any new specialists. It’s not so simple, it’s not in the phone to change the battery. They can act as clubs with them. And the new one comes to Syria from the NATO arsenals, they gave up this old stuff.
    1. Gluxar
      Gluxar 26 September 2012 19: 12
      +1
      They will be able to change the "batteries". Self-made in Libya have already been exposed more than once. So the technique is working.
    2. artist-mamluk
      artist-mamluk 26 September 2012 19: 14
      0
      Not MANPADS are needed there, but the fact of the downed plane by SOVIET weapons, and the fact that the battery is empty in it, no one is interested in. That is, Russia will be to blame.
      1. Gluxar
        Gluxar 26 September 2012 22: 40
        +1
        Will not be. Your logic is not clear to me. Moreover, if an agreement on missile defense cannot be reached with the United States, then the PMCs discussed by Rogozin will be able to hunt in Afghanistan and beat the NATO habits. But the blame should be placed on “radical” Islamists or Gaddafists. I say again - the destruction of arsenals is a complete failure of US policy. They set themselves up by intervening and overthrowing the legitimate authority of the colonel.
  25. sapulid
    sapulid 26 September 2012 19: 08
    0
    What is the article about? About other weapons that are not suitable for use by the first generation, or that have undergone modernization and are ready for actual use? From the article, it is not clear.
    Article, unfinished, crude, without specifics. It is possible to apply the justification for the appearance of our MANPADS in various regions of the world. And, stuffing, any of the parties supporting the conflict is possible.
    I don’t put a minus, but, the author, obviously, does not shine with the mind.
    1. v53993
      v53993 26 September 2012 21: 14
      0
      After WWII, they still find weapons and ammunition that are quite usable.
  26. Isk1984
    Isk1984 26 September 2012 19: 55
    0
    Indeed, the shelf life of about 10 years is precisely the rocket, plus how to store in the field, in my opinion, 4 years in a warehouse of 10, if they are still Soviet then they are all clubs ...
    1. BARKAS
      BARKAS 26 September 2012 20: 09
      +1
      Even an expired shelf life would not have helped them all the aircraft in that region were equipped with modern anti-aircraft systems to counter such an aircraft, they need the latest generation complex, though it is not known whether such systems are likely to be on Syrian aircraft.
      1. Alex 241
        Alex 241 26 September 2012 21: 21
        0
        The main way to counter MANPADS: shooting PIKS (but this is very little comfort if the GOS captured the target) and MPS.
        1. BARKAS
          BARKAS 26 September 2012 21: 58
          +1
          Israel is already preparing for the use of the missing MANPADS and equipping its aircraft with such systems.
          http://army-news.ru/2011/11/sredstva-zashhity-ot-pzrk/
          1. Alex 241
            Alex 241 26 September 2012 22: 03
            0
            Sorry, I can’t open your link, can you explain?
            1. Alex 241
              Alex 241 26 September 2012 22: 11
              0
              I hope you are not talking about Mantoux?
              1. BARKAS
                BARKAS 26 September 2012 22: 20
                +1
                At the moment, Israel is adapting the military version of the counteraction system for civilian aircraft, the principle of creating a false target with the help of a powerful light stream in the GOS like this. try copying the link to the address bar of the browser.
                1. Alex 241
                  Alex 241 26 September 2012 22: 29
                  0
                  You know, the GOS will filter out the false target. Research was conducted in this area to ensure that the GOS is taken away: for the false target to have identical characteristics as the target heat and brightness of radiation, and move at the same speed as the target.
                  1. BARKAS
                    BARKAS 26 September 2012 22: 39
                    +1
                    Do not forget that the MANPADS of early generations are stolen. And when testing a new Russian development, the system showed its effectiveness when firing a helicopter placed on a special tower and with engines turned on at full power, firing was carried out with a new version of the needle.
                    1. Alex 241
                      Alex 241 26 September 2012 22: 43
                      0
                      It’s a pity that there is no data on the moving target. Well, if purely human, God forbid, Mikhail agree.
                      1. BARKAS
                        BARKAS 26 September 2012 22: 50
                        0
                        Unfortunately, the car is already running and someone will suffer anyway!
                      2. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 26 September 2012 22: 51
                        0
                        The worst thing is the feeling of powerlessness to change something.
      2. Gluxar
        Gluxar 26 September 2012 22: 46
        +2
        Not all aviation. And the weapon is good. and will be suitable for more than a dozen years. It's just that the efficiency goes down. The solution is simple - increase the number of launches on one target. For the destruction of civil aviation, including "police" helicopters, the most it. As for drones. So it is for taking off targets. Provided that the ranks of those using this weapon are full of suicide bombers, then not self-detonation, not destruction by return fire is not a critical condition. Just like in the recent raid on an American military base, when 8 airplanes and helicopters were destroyed on the ground, no one will now guarantee the safety of takeoff / landing at such bases. A group of suicide bombers can go to the launch sites in sync with the arrival of the "important board" and make a massive volley. While they did not have such weapons, now they have.
        1. Alex 241
          Alex 241 26 September 2012 22: 49
          0
          There is only one conclusion: a concrete sweep of the territory adjacent to the airfields.
  27. studentmati
    studentmati 26 September 2012 20: 24
    +1
    But the zavskladom of Soviet weapons in Libya - what, not a man?
    1. v53993
      v53993 26 September 2012 21: 17
      0
      A man of course, just wondering whose man.
      1. studentmati
        studentmati 26 September 2012 21: 30
        0
        A man with a small salary and a hungry family.
  28. Bosk
    Bosk 26 September 2012 20: 50
    0
    But this is bad news .... very bad ... because there are shots there for which the main thing is to swing louder and drum somewhere, where and how ....
  29. BarrettM95
    BarrettM95 26 September 2012 20: 57
    +2
    Home »World» Incidents 08:35 September 24, 2012 1377 Comments
    The diary of a murdered American ambassador found in Libya provokes scandal in the USA
    In Libyan Benghazi, a diary was discovered that belonged to US Ambassador Christopher Stevens, who died in an attack on the US diplomatic mission. Some of the diary fell into CNN reporting.


    Christopher Stevens died in an attack on an American diplomatic mission in Benghazi.
    In the Libyan city of Benghazi, a diary was discovered that belonged to the US ambassador, Christopher Stevens, who died in an attack on the US diplomatic mission. The diary was discovered a few days after the murder of an ambassador in a destroyed consulate building in Benghazi by CNN reporters, according to NEWSru.com.

    Journalists immediately reported the find to Stevens' relatives, but did not fulfill their request not to publicize the contents of the diary - several excerpts fell into CNN reports.

    In particular, the American ambassador wrote that extremist movements are gaining strength in Libya and it is becoming unsafe to be in the country.

    The U.S. Department of State has harshly criticized CNN for using ambassador diary entries. An agency spokesman called CNN's behavior terrible.
    1. v53993
      v53993 26 September 2012 21: 11
      0
      Mess, everything was mixed up in the Obamov’s house, and they are still trying to teach us something.
      1. studentmati
        studentmati 26 September 2012 21: 35
        0
        They do not teach, they follow a well-calculated algorithm that will lead to a mathematically calculated point.
  30. v53993
    v53993 26 September 2012 21: 03
    +3
    Classic. If MANPADS disappear in the first act, then aircraft shot down by them fall in the third act. Where they will fall depends on the director of the play, but it is not yet visible (... the thread goes up and into the darkness ...)
    1. Alex 241
      Alex 241 26 September 2012 21: 23
      +1
      Absolutely correct opinion +++++++++++++
      1. v53993
        v53993 26 September 2012 21: 25
        +1
        Nothing new under the moon.
        1. Alex 241
          Alex 241 26 September 2012 21: 27
          +1
          especially over the wreckage of a passenger plane.
          1. v53993
            v53993 26 September 2012 21: 30
            +1
            This is so, unfortunately.
    2. studentmati
      studentmati 26 September 2012 21: 42
      +1
      ... In This World, there are no accidents, every step leaves a trace. And there is no miracle and coincidences are extremely rare ... "A large batch will not disappear by itself ... The director's work is a fact!
      1. Alex 241
        Alex 241 26 September 2012 21: 44
        0
        Vladimir already wrote about this, and everyone understands on an intuitive level.
  31. studentmati
    studentmati 26 September 2012 21: 31
    +2
    Just for someone a good deal. And unfortunately unsuccessful for those against whom this weapon will be used.
    1. Alex 241
      Alex 241 26 September 2012 21: 33
      +2
      No need to have seven spans in the forehead to guess for anyone.
      1. Gluxar
        Gluxar 26 September 2012 22: 51
        0
        For whom ? The question is just open. The fact is that al-Qaeda is a CIA unit not entirely correct. The leadership is yes, but the performers are chaotic. 90% do not even know how to read, what the mullah said will be so. And we shouldn't forget about the Gaddafists. They took out in tons, and they have access now. That's just the point that can blaze anywhere. Today "Obama bin Ladden" is the brother of the author of "Muslims are not good."
        1. Alex 241
          Alex 241 26 September 2012 22: 57
          +1
          In Afghanistan, there are enough Specialists to handle MANPADS. Someone who will vote will go for it. Yes, and we have ....
  32. v53993
    v53993 26 September 2012 22: 06
    +1
    Just as a pilot cannot fail to fly, so MANPADS cannot fail to shoot (if he is not in stock). And it would also be interesting to know if a large batch is how much, in pieces.
    1. Alex 241
      Alex 241 26 September 2012 22: 07
      +1
      And one thing can be done.
      1. v53993
        v53993 26 September 2012 22: 38
        +1
        Especially if in the right place at the right time.
        1. Alex 241
          Alex 241 26 September 2012 22: 40
          +1
          Vladimir, God forbid, any of us may be on the plane.
          1. studentmati
            studentmati 26 September 2012 22: 55
            +1
            In Abkhazia 1993 there was such a case. Unfortunately.
          2. v53993
            v53993 26 September 2012 23: 23
            0
            You can try to track the stock price of airlines by region. It cannot but be associated with the movement of MANPADS.
            1. Alex 241
              Alex 241 26 September 2012 23: 27
              0
              Volodya explain?
        2. studentmati
          studentmati 26 September 2012 22: 54
          +1
          But only with a trained professional. At least an arrow with little Malomsky experience.
          1. Alex 241
            Alex 241 26 September 2012 22: 59
            0
            Good evening, good to see. I wrote my thoughts above.
            1. studentmati
              studentmati 26 September 2012 23: 05
              +1
              Good evening! I think you will agree that the term "A large party has been kidnapped .." is a wrong word. Everyone does their job: someone orders, someone agrees, someone sells; someone "kidnaps". The deed is done, the money has been received, and then there is a sea of ​​blood, which these participants no longer care about. "... In this world there are no accidents ..."
              1. Alex 241
                Alex 241 26 September 2012 23: 09
                0
                A large batch is nonsense, before these kits were in the special account, but this was earlier ....
                1. studentmati
                  studentmati 26 September 2012 23: 19
                  0
                  The very fact of "theft" suggests that Libya is not surrendering either. Syria resists! A military parade in Iran on September 21 !!! WOW, what a SPIRIT !!!
                  1. Alex 241
                    Alex 241 26 September 2012 23: 22
                    0
                    Syria is resisting? Mercenaries are strewn with corpses of peaceful streets, war will soon begin on the principle of all against all, given local customs.
                    1. studentmati
                      studentmati 26 September 2012 23: 24
                      0
                      The political leadership in power means still resisting. This is the East. Remember Japan and the Emperor.
                      1. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 26 September 2012 23: 28
                        0
                        Leadership is just an add-on.
  33. Allegedly
    Allegedly 26 September 2012 23: 11
    +1
    Gone where it was planned. All Arab (as well as other Muslim) countries will be set on fire like powder kegs. Such things in such quantities do not accidentally disappear anywhere ...
  34. studentmati
    studentmati 26 September 2012 23: 12
    0
    In fact, it’s interesting - Libya was bombed for a long time and hard, and suddenly 20 years of unused air defense systems were discovered in the warehouse. I don’t quite understand?
    1. Alex 241
      Alex 241 26 September 2012 23: 14
      0
      Well, they didn’t cover it with a carpet, all the more so there could be underground storage facilities.
      1. studentmati
        studentmati 26 September 2012 23: 21
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        I think rather preparation for a long guerrilla war.
        1. Alex 241
          Alex 241 26 September 2012 23: 25
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          The main thing is that this camp would not spill over the territory of the country.
          1. studentmati
            studentmati 26 September 2012 23: 32
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            The States have strong mathematicians, namely mathematicians, because everything in the world is subject to mathematical laws. The calculation for Syria has been made, although, in my opinion, with errors, but the States will beat to the end. There will be no direct aggression - Iran is nearby. Iran is a "Queen" that can only be beaten by an atomic bomb or, more likely, by a long siege and information war. Iran is an extremely strong state in the region - that's a fact.
            1. Alex 241
              Alex 241 26 September 2012 23: 36
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              You know mathematicians, this is good, but they will calculate a rough model. When planning, you need to consider so many factors ............... But Iran is better not to touch it at all. Otherwise ......... ........... everyone. You understood what I mean. If a nuclear missile leaves the mine, you will not push it back.
  35. studentmati
    studentmati 26 September 2012 23: 47
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    Is it not clear that the initial emphasis on Iran, made several years ago, was converted into a chess combination with Syria, Libya and Egypt? It was the Yankees mathematicians who calculated the apocalyptic exit of the Iranian rocket from the mine. And so they decided to destroy the allies first. And by the way, they continue to restrain Israel with great difficulty. And the ultimate goal in this region of Iran, believe me! It will be seen further.
  36. Alex 241
    Alex 241 26 September 2012 23: 50
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    You narrowly consider everything if there is a nuclear club, you need allies only for image.
    1. studentmati
      studentmati 27 September 2012 00: 01
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      Alexander disagrees. It seems to me that you are just narrowly considering the situation. It is not the right time to wave the "nuclear club". The goal is not the destruction of the regime, but the goal is its submission. The methodical and systematic submission to their will of all regimes that slightly sympathize with Russia is the goal of the Yankees. And they have long understood that this goal cannot be achieved with a "nuclear club". The bombers would have been in Syria a long time ago, but they ran into the wrong ones. Syria will be finished off by civil war. And I am sure - Iran is a VERY powerful power!
  37. Alex 241
    Alex 241 27 September 2012 00: 13
    +1
    Agree, but it all depends on the mentality, Golda Meyer was ready to launch a nuclear attack on Egypt. America's authority is lower than folder panties, sorry for the simplicity and its will, etc. for all zilch. As soon as the zinc goes to America, the Americans themselves will force any war to end. And they will break off with Syria ... I agree.
    1. studentmati
      studentmati 27 September 2012 00: 19
      +1
      I agree, +. Therefore, a bet has been made on the civil war - it will be cheaper and more efficient in the East, no zinc for you, and even the bucks machine works and works. All around are some pluses. The Yankees reckon that they will have time before the rise of Russia's military power.
  38. Alex 241
    Alex 241 27 September 2012 00: 31
    +1
    I would not call Civil, a war of mercenaries with the population and the regular army.
  39. studentmati
    studentmati 27 September 2012 00: 37
    +1
    I agree, but this is how this war is positioned in the world. And it seems to me in vain that Russia is withdrawing from a concrete expression of its position in this war and from concrete military and political assistance. Although maybe I'm a bad chess player, and all the moves have already been calculated?
  40. Alex 241
    Alex 241 27 September 2012 00: 43
    +1
    We shouldn’t lose soybeans, where to help there. If only through the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
  41. studentmati
    studentmati 27 September 2012 00: 49
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    Yeah! Fortunately, they begin to understand that the "Voevods" are not eternal, and we in Georgia on 08.08.08 did not show ourselves with conventional weapons, at least in aviation. Although the GRU probably worked well.
  42. Alex 241
    Alex 241 27 September 2012 00: 54
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    I’ll be silent about that operation, then I’ll write witness accounts to you in PM.
    1. studentmati
      studentmati 27 September 2012 00: 58
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      Thanks for the conversation, Alexander, tomorrow for work, good night and peaceful dreams. Waiting for your letters. See you.
      1. Alex 241
        Alex 241 27 September 2012 01: 12
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        Pleasant dreams.
  43. Allegedly
    Allegedly 27 September 2012 00: 56
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    In my humble opinion, the warehouses were taken by English and French spetsnaz, with the assistance of local Libyan agents (supposedly from the PNS). A year ago, there was a lot of noise in the press about the French and British special forces, no one really knew what they were doing there, and yet they carried out some specific tasks. Warehouses and strategically important objects were taken without dust and noise, who should be paid uncle money, someone else did. This is American democracy (bribery, threats, blackmail and murder) ...
    1. Alex 241
      Alex 241 27 September 2012 01: 14
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      What would French or English liners bring down with these missiles? Although now I am not surprised at anything. To provoke another September 11th and break in ...
  44. mr.Man
    mr.Man 27 September 2012 01: 51
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    ShturmKGB,
    ShturmKGB
    And these MANPADS will most likely appear in Syria ...
    Rather, the "Democrats" will test these MANPADS on their own skin ...
    The genie is out of the bottle ...
  45. Allegedly
    Allegedly 27 September 2012 02: 03
    +1
    I allow myself to disagree with you, the genie from the bottle is not released. It is impossible to release what is not. The stolen MANPADS under the strict control of the knights of the cloak and dagger are delivered to where they should. Just like for example, dope from Afghanistan is delivered to Russia. Does anyone really think that everything, too, happens on its own there? The most sophisticated, state-of-the-art laboratories that can produce drugs on an industrial scale? Further, the most complex chains of transportation, delivery and distribution, and this also all arises by itself?
  46. vylvyn
    vylvyn 27 September 2012 10: 55
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    Title of the article - A large batch of MANPADS ...... stolen from warehouses .....

    Or maybe not stolen, but sold. The Arabs are still those merchants - why should nothing disappear in vain, and keeping such a guard is dangerous for health (specialists can descend, pile up a pill and take everything for free. It will be a shame then, hear, yes?)

    Title of the article - A large batch of MANPADS ...... stolen from warehouses .....

    Or maybe not stolen, but sold. The Arabs are still those merchants - why should nothing disappear in vain, and keeping such a guard is dangerous for health (specialists can descend, pile up a pill and take everything for free. It will be a shame then, hear, yes?) laughing