Swedish-made AT4 rocket-propelled grenades began to arrive in Ukraine

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One of the prototypes of the future AT4. Photo Armemuseum / digitalmuseum.se

Sweden recently announced its intention to transfer 5 AT4 / Pansarskott m/86 rocket-propelled grenades to Ukraine. The first batch of this weapons already delivered to the recipient and distributed among the units of the Ukrainian army. It is assumed that such grenades will help in the fight against advancing armored vehicles, but such estimates and plans may be too bold.

Infantry weapons


In the late sixties, the Swedish army received a one-time 74-mm rocket-propelled anti-tank grenade (in the Soviet and Russian classification it is a rocket-propelled grenade, RPG) Pansarskott m / 68. However, already in the mid-seventies it became clear that it was obsolete and needed to be replaced. In this regard, work began on a promising grenade with enhanced performance.



The new RPG was supposed to be distinguished by an increased caliber, increased range and improved penetration. It was necessary to ensure the defeat of light and medium armored vehicles from all angles. At the same time, the task is to penetrate the frontal armor of the main tanks was not set - it was planned to hit them from other directions.


Serial grenade. Photo by the US Department of Defense

The new sample was developed by Saab Bofors. The product received the working designation AT4. This index indicated the anti-tank role (Anti-Tank), and also reflected the caliber - in English it is read and sounds like "84". Later, the grenade was adopted under the name Pansarskott m / 86 (Pskott m / 86).

The design of the grenade ended in the early eighties, and since 1981 it has been tested in the interests of the Swedish army. In 1983, even before being adopted by Sweden, the AT4 was submitted to an American competition, the purpose of which was to find a replacement for the existing M72 grenade launchers. The Swedish product bypassed all competitors and, after some modifications, was accepted by the Pentagon under the designation M136.

In the mid-eighties, the new AT4 RPG went into series and entered service with Sweden and the United States. The approval of the American army made her good publicity. Soon Saab Bofors began to receive orders from other countries. To date, such grenades have been adopted by more than 25 countries. They are also used by a number of non-state armed formations participating in local conflicts.

Swedish-made AT4 rocket-propelled grenades began to arrive in Ukraine

Components of the system. U.S. Department of Defense graphics

The last list of AT4 operators was recently added to Ukraine. The Swedish army intends to give it 5 grenades taken from its own warehouses. The first batches of such weapons have already been transferred and are being distributed among army units. Apparently, the remaining grenades will be delivered to the recipient in the near future.

Technical features


The AT4 / Pskott m/86 is a single-use light infantry anti-tank weapon. There are several modifications of it, differing from each other in the type of ammunition, the specifics of its launch, additional equipment, etc.

The main element of the complex is a launch tube 1020 mm long with a smooth channel of 84 mm caliber. It is made of aluminum and fiberglass, due to which a minimum weight is obtained with acceptable strength. The pipe is designed for only one shot, which reduces the strength requirements. The ends are covered with lids.


A fighter with an AT4 grenade during an exercise. Photo by the US Department of Defense

Outside, a folding front sight and a sight are placed on the pipe. There are mounts for installing other sights, incl. night. Also outside the pipe is a percussion mechanism of a fairly simple design. Its main detail is a spring-loaded drummer, located at the rear end of the pipe and interacting with the grenade primer. The impact mechanism has several fuses used during transportation and when firing.

For the AT4 RPG, several types of grenades of a similar design, but for different purposes, have been developed. All of them have a caliber warhead with the required charge, as well as a thin shank with six stabilizer feathers, sustainer and starting engines.

The initial velocity of grenades reaches 290 m/s. The effective range when firing at an “armored vehicle” type target is only 300 m.

The main ammunition of the AT4 or m/86 is a HEAT warhead grenade that can penetrate up to 450 mm of homogeneous armor. Later, a grenade with improved performance was developed - up to 500-600 mm. There are ammunition to destroy buildings and fortifications. The HEDP 502 type grenade is equipped with a fragmentation warhead with a rugged body. She is able to break through the wall and undermine inside the building. There is also a tandem cumulative AST ammunition designed for making passes.


Shot from AT4. Photo by the US Department of Defense

Initially, grenades used a jet method of firing, which led to the formation of a jet of gases and a shock wave behind the grenade launcher. Later, a modification of the AT4-CS (Confined Space) complex was developed, suitable for use in enclosed spaces. In it, the starting charge is supplemented by a container of sea water. When fired, the container is destroyed, and the liquid flies out through the rear nozzle, acting as a counter-mass and extinguishing the flame.

RPG type AT4 has limited dimensions. The length of the product is just over 1 m. The maximum diameter, determined by the outer casings and protective elements, does not exceed 150 mm. Weight - from 6,7 to 8 kg, depending on the shot used. So, the modification of "Confined Space" is more difficult.

Combat potential


AT4 rocket-propelled anti-tank grenades enjoy a certain popularity in the arms market. To date, more than 600 thousand such products of all modifications have been produced, and the vast majority of them were manufactured under export contracts. Such results are due to the favorable ratio of economic, technical and operational characteristics.


Shot from AT4-CS. Photo by the US Department of Defense

First of all, the advantages of AT4 include limited cost, as well as ease of development and use. All this makes it possible in principle to massively purchase such RPGs and widely use them in the troops as part of the weapons of various units. Accordingly, their anti-tank capabilities are growing.

However, it is a matter of compromise. Low cost and simplicity are combined with limited performance characteristics. Thus, the effective firing range of the main types of grenades is limited to 300 m, which may not be enough in most situations. In addition, 84 mm caliber grenades have limited power - even the most advanced samples can penetrate no more than 600 mm of armor.

With these characteristics, AT4 can hit light and medium armored vehicles from all angles - as originally required by the customer. At the same time, the defeat of tanks can still face serious difficulties. So, the frontal armor of modern MBTs, incl. covered with dynamic protection, simply beyond the power of the Swedish RPG. A shot in the side or top projection has a certain chance of success, but only if it hits unprotected armor.

Grenades in Ukraine


As part of military assistance, Sweden is transferring 5 AT4 grenades to Ukraine. The first batches have already been sent to the recipient and even reached the linear parts. In the near future, after the completion of deliveries, such weapons may become one of the main and most massive anti-tank weapons in the Ukrainian army. This fact and the risks associated with it must be taken into account in the further planning and implementation of new demilitarization measures.


Ukrainian fighter with an AT4 grenade. Photo bmpd.livejournal.com

AT4 and other anti-tank weapons can pose a certain danger to our equipment. However, protection against such threats is quite possible, and there are appropriate methods and means. At the same time, limited technical characteristics to a certain extent simplify the timely detection and destruction of grenade launchers, incl. before the first shot. Accordingly, such threats should not be overestimated either.

The experience of recent days shows that foreign weapons may not reach the point of use. Thus, the Russian army repeatedly knocked out such foreign aid along with the warehouses where it was located. In addition, Ukrainian armed formations often flee, leaving their weapons behind. Various foreign models have already been found in abandoned positions, and it is very likely that Swedish AT4s will replenish them in the near future.

In general, our armored crews and accompanying infantry should be aware of the presence of a variety of anti-tank weapons in the enemy. At the same time, there is no need to overestimate the enemy and his weapons, incl. foreign production. Our military has advantages in technology, weapons and skills - and with their help will be able to minimize the effect of any foreign arms transfers.
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  1. +9
    8 March 2022 04: 31
    We need to create a tandem of our drones and snipers to work in populated areas ... to shoot in the streets. It is more difficult to find a grenade launcher in the basement, apartment, attic ... but here you can use a smoke screen ... and he threw a bird cherry tear there ... they will jump out like pretty little ones.
    The Swedes, as always, spoiled us ... we will not forget ... we will recall on occasion.
    1. 0
      8 March 2022 05: 26
      Swedish-made AT4 rocket-propelled grenades began to arrive in Ukraine. Recently
      Sweden announced its intention to transfer to Ukraine 5 AT4 / Pansarskott m/86 rocket-propelled anti-tank grenades. The first batch of such weapons has already been delivered to the recipient and is being distributed among the units of the Ukrainian army.
      Well, what should I call it?
      The Russian government approved a new list of countries unfriendly to Russia, which includes over 50 countries and territories.
      It is not clear only whether Sweden is on this list? In principle, it should also be on the list, even though Sweden is not officially a member of NATO.!

      REFERENCE
      Swedish Foreign Minister Ann Linde signed a foreign policy declaration for 2022, which she stated in Parliament as follows:
      “The government does not intend to apply for membership in NATO. The security policy line is unchanged. Our neutrality serves us well and promotes stability and security in Northern Europe. We combine this with a defense policy that rests on two pillars: strengthening national capabilities and expanding international cooperation in the field of defense.”
      “An armed attack on Sweden cannot be ruled out. Therefore, we must be able to provide and receive support, both civilian and military,”
      At the same time, Linde clarified that to date, Sweden has concluded more than 20 agreements on cooperation in the defense sector, including with northern and Baltic neighbors.

      См. подробнее - https://www.rbc.ru/politics/16/02/2022/620cca029a7947efe2571611
      1. 0
        8 March 2022 05: 59
        The list is easy to correct ... it all depends on the further behavior of Sweden ... it will certainly run into. what
      2. +3
        8 March 2022 07: 50
        Happy March 8, dear Tatyana!!! hi
        I completely reported because of Ukraine ... but I forgot to tell you about the main thing. smile
        1. +1
          8 March 2022 09: 55
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          Happy March 8, dear Tatyana!!!

          Thanks, Alexey! Have a good day today! drinks
      3. +2
        8 March 2022 10: 20
        These are the Swedes neutrals.
      4. 0
        8 March 2022 11: 49
        Knowing the Swedish economy (IKEA), it will be easier for them to arrange outdated weapons as a gift than to throw them away ....
      5. 0
        8 March 2022 12: 45
        It is not clear only whether Sweden is on this list?

        Sweden is in the European Union, and therefore on the list.
      6. +1
        8 March 2022 23: 27
        so there are less than 50 countries in here.
    2. -2
      8 March 2022 05: 33
      We have the experience of taking Berlin. The question is that we are now, as it were, on "our own territory." Then assault groups were created with attached tanks, self-propelled guns, etc. Any center of resistance, without any doubt and morality, was suppressed. Now we are connected, in fact, by the population held as hostages. An extraordinary situation. Even the Nazis tried to clear the database zone of the population, and these seem to have surpassed their idols.
      1. +4
        8 March 2022 08: 52
        Quote: Vladimir61
        We have experience in taking Berlin.

        hi
        Not with us, but with our grandfathers and great-grandfathers, grandmothers and great-grandmothers.
        Matrosov, Soltys, Maresyev, Talalikhin, Karbyshev, Karmanov...
        Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya, Lyudmila Pavlichenko...

        At that time, few people heard about liberalism.
        There were no mass protests against the current government.
        There was no mass psychosis for any reason, and without.
        There was no jacuzzi and bidet, Internet and iPhones, Mercedes, and holidays in the Maldives ...

        And now - all in unison throw their gadgets, and go to self-sacrifice?
        1. 0
          8 March 2022 09: 32
          Quote: Mister X
          Not with us, but with our grandfathers and great-grandfathers, grandmothers and great-grandmothers
          Who said that we are limited in time by the moment? That we do not exist in history? Explain why anonymous people talking online (sometimes "talking" with bots) are "we", and Berlin was not taken by us. Interesting.
          I understand when the conversation is between our own and "we" is contrasted in history with "our fathers and grandfathers." The forum is a platform for discussion. Here "we" and "they", although in masks, but always have their own history.
          1. +2
            8 March 2022 09: 48
            Quote: sniperino
            Explain why online anonymous conversations

            Since we have switched to personalities, I will give an example from "secular life".

            Ksenia Sobchak was outraged that the sanctions would prevent her from eating oysters and foie gras and traveling abroad.
            And how many lovers of delicacies?
            Will they condemn the Motherland for a hamburger without hesitation?
            1. -1
              8 March 2022 09: 56
              Quote: Mister X
              Since we have switched to personalities, I will give an example from "secular life".
              I am not interested in Sobchak's personality and modern "social life" - for me it is "we" only in the case of some special comparative analysis (for example, "our and their secular party"), and in other cases - "they".
              1. +2
                8 March 2022 10: 07
                Quote: sniperino
                I am not interested in the personality of Sobchak and modern "social life"

                Me too.
                But they exist, there are many of them, and they are supported by thousands and thousands of citizens.
                Remember what resonance the film "Putin's Palace" made,
                mass unrest about Navalny, Tikhanovskaya, etc.
                Many listen to Echo of Moscow, Free Europe, Medusa.
                Will this category of citizens also go to Berlin?

                * Instead of a photo of Sobchak, a monument to Sergei Lazo was glued.
                You know what Ksyusha looks like, I won’t re-attach
                1. -2
                  8 March 2022 10: 10
                  Quote: Mister X
                  Will this category of citizens also go to Berlin?
                  Will go after his release. So what? There seems to be a conclusion here, no?
                  1. +1
                    8 March 2022 10: 15
                    Quote: sniperino
                    Will go after his release. So what?

                    Do you think that coming to the "hat analysis" and going to Berlin are the same thing?
                    1. 0
                      8 March 2022 10: 17
                      Quote: Mister X
                      same?
                      Miscellaneous. AND? Just do not suggest that I myself draw a conclusion from my answers to your questions, because questions can be asked long and unsystematic.
                      1. 0
                        8 March 2022 10: 49
                        Quote: sniperino
                        Just don't ask me to draw my own conclusions from my answers to your questions.

                        Then I propose to put an end to our dispute.

                        chatting online anonymous

                        In my profile you will find many publications.
                        Perhaps you will find something interesting for yourself.

                        Have a nice day.
                      2. 0
                        8 March 2022 13: 14
                        Quote: Mister X
                        Have a nice day.
                        Sorry. In fact, there are many powdered ones, but here we are already talking about the need to reformat our social and human sciences, to nationalize the format of scientific career and education of the 90s, set by George Soros and now living in dissertations, academic degrees and titles. But your appeal to the problem of protection and self-sacrifice in the context of a military conflict
                        Quote: Mister X
                        And now - all in unison throw their gadgets, and go to self-sacrifice?
                        sounds in unison with the defeatist "the whole world is against us." He must be countered "and what people in the world from among the potential opponents are more ready for self-sacrifice for the truth than ours?" No one is going to throw into battle buried in gadgets; they just get brainwashed hi
                      3. 0
                        8 March 2022 13: 35
                        Quote: sniperino
                        given by J. Soros and now living in dissertations

                        I am from Moldova
                        There are a lot of "soros" here
                        At the moment, the majority of MPs are sitting on grants.
                        A cloud of non-governmental organizations divorced in the country, their founders in the West.
                        Our current president was also brought up in the West: a master's degree at Harvard, she worked in the office of the World Bank (Washington).
                        For Moldova and citizens, she is only in words.
                        The prime minister is also a woman, she worked in England in a leadership position.

                        Of course they will make sacrifices.
                        They will sacrifice their homeland and fellow citizens.
                        And when it gets really hot, everyone has a second Romanian citizenship.
                        They will run away first there, and then further to the West.
                        By that time, there will be a line in their resume: she held the post of president / prime minister of the state.
                        Promoted European values, carried out reforms in justice, fought corruption, and for democracy.
                        And we will be left with an economy below the baseboard, and lards of loans that need to be repaid.
                        If only they had the prudence not to get involved in this war ...
                      4. +2
                        8 March 2022 13: 46
                        Quote: Mister X
                        If only they had the prudence not to get involved in this war ...
                        God forbid!
                      5. +2
                        8 March 2022 13: 49
                        Quote: sniperino
                        from among the potential opponents is ready for self-sacrifice for the truth

                        Not even all Ukrainians are ready for self-sacrifice.
                        The richest rushed out of the country in the first hours.
                        Some went to Europe, some stayed with us.
                        And from here, on the Internet, they are fighting Russian aggression.
                        Not all of them, but many.
                        Moldovans howled as much from the behavior of individual citizens.
                        I don't believe this is fake.

                        at lunchtime on February 24, Chisinau was filled with expensive cars with thieves Ukrainian numbers.
                        GREGORY Hotel in the historical center of Chisinau
                        200 Euro/night
                        The hotel is full of refugees
                        The whole yard is full of expensive cars: Porsche, Mercedes, Infiniti
                        There are a lot of them on the sidelines too.
                        Here is one of them


                        Here are 2 more black Mercs with Ukrainian numbers
                        There is a greyhound Gelendvagen in the yard, and a bunch of other cars.
                      6. 0
                        8 March 2022 14: 07
                        Quote: Mister X
                        Not even all Ukrainians are ready for self-sacrifice.
                        The majority last time they voted for the verdict of Poroshenko and those who unleashed the war, and the cars of secular ukrotusovka are foam, which, I believe, will come down.
                      7. +3
                        8 March 2022 14: 16
                        Quote: sniperino
                        Most of them voted last time for Poroshenko's verdict

                        Before the elections, the KVN-schik promised peace in Dombassa, not to oppress the Russians, and a lot of tasty and attractive things for all citizens of Ukraine.
                        In reality - 2 weeks ago he started talking about nuclear weapons.
                        I skip intermediate milestones, they are well known.
                      8. 0
                        8 March 2022 14: 23
                        By type, this role suits him most of all in the finale of the play. At least that Monsieur had victories, but this one was only written for the elections. Cool picture.
                      9. +1
                        8 March 2022 14: 35
                        Quote: sniperino
                        That Monsieur even had victories.

                        Key word "WAS".
                        At first.
                        And then he piled on so that he barely took his legs.
                        His German "colleague" decided that he was smarter than the others.
                        And he also washed his snot.
                        Another cupcake decided to become a Napoleon cake.
                        And what for a cake, what for love, the main thing is that the eggs are fresh wink
                        And the head is in the right place.

                    2. +1
                      8 March 2022 10: 31
                      Quote: Mister X
                      go to Berlin
                      There will be a stream, and the foam will fly off. My opinion.
                      1. +1
                        8 March 2022 19: 51
                        Quote: sniperino
                        There will be a stream, and the foam will fly off. My opinion.

                        I agree, but decades, or even more, must pass for this.
                        Talk about the war in Donbass in 2014 subsided gradually, but mutual grievances were not forgotten until 2021.

                        Both sides have not forgotten the war in Transnistria to this day.
                        Against the backdrop of events in Ukraine, Tiraspol spoke again about autonomy.
                        They are still confiscating weapons from the population.
                        Our Gagauz from the Southern Autonomy also dig up weapons from their gardens.

                        My wife, a student, went to Lviv on an excursion back in Soviet times (80s).
                        The guide warned that speaking Russian is fraught with: they will beat you...
                        Better in Moldovan or Bulgarian.
                        Otherwise, security is not guaranteed.

                        That is, after the Second World War, generations changed, but in the West of Ukraine, hatred for everything Russian was preserved.
                        The foam will certainly fly off, but I can’t predict the volume of sediment and hidden anger.
                2. 0
                  8 March 2022 10: 59
                  Quote: Mister X
                  they are supported by thousands and thousands of citizens
                  Millions vs. And if you take the whole world, then billions.
                3. +1
                  8 March 2022 13: 34
                  Quote: "You know what Ksyusha looks like, I won't re-attach it"
        2. -1
          8 March 2022 09: 50
          And now - everyone will throw their gadgets in unison and go to self-sacrifice

          They can only go to a pre-trial detention center ... I did not observe Alexandrov Matrosov among this audience and do not observe now ... there are no such
      2. +4
        8 March 2022 08: 55
        Quote: Vladimir61
        Any center of resistance, without any doubt and morality, was suppressed.

        In urban battles, civilians were spared, property too.
        Do you remember the rescue of the Dresden Gallery by Soviet soldiers?
      3. 0
        8 March 2022 10: 49
        Quote: Vladimir61
        Even the Nazis tried to clear the database zone of the population, and these seem to have surpassed their idols.
        These fascists are (advanced version). As soon as the Nazis begin to act in conjunction with state power, they become fascists. This is the historical etymology of the word fascio - a bundle, a bundle.
    3. +6
      8 March 2022 06: 10
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      It is more difficult to find a grenade launcher in the basement, apartment, attic ... but here you can use a smoke screen ... and he threw a bird cherry tear there ... they will jump out like pretty little ones.

      "Everyone fancies himself a strategist, seeing the battle from the side ..." (c)
      1. -2
        8 March 2022 06: 15
        "Everyone fancies himself a strategist, seeing the battle from the side ..." (c)

        What kind of strategist am I... smile
        I just put myself in the place of the attackers and think about how to fulfill the order without killing civilians with minimal losses among my soldiers. hi
        Of course, it would be easier to demolish buildings with Nazi artillery and aviation ... but alas, no one canceled the Geneva Convention.
        1. -4
          8 March 2022 06: 26
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          What kind of strategist am I...
          I just put myself in the place of the attackers and think about how to fulfill the order without killing civilians with minimal losses among my soldiers.

          We have contract soldiers fighting there, there are no young poorly trained conscripts. I think that they know even without us how to act. And they don’t read our advice, they don’t have time to fight.
          1. +1
            8 March 2022 06: 29
            We have contract soldiers fighting there, there are no young poorly trained conscripts. I think that they know even without us how to act. And they don’t read our advice, they don’t have time to fight.

            Good luck to the guys in their work... hi
            Our advice is not for them smile and for our reassurance ... it's a shame for the losses among the personnel ... people must be protected by any means ... but the order must also be carried out to the end.
        2. +3
          8 March 2022 07: 28
          So, according to the convention, the military occupying the territory is responsible for the civilians. He has to take care.
    4. +2
      8 March 2022 07: 06
      According to the information published yesterday by the New York Times, yesterday the Armed Forces of Ukraine received 17 rounds for anti-tank systems and RPGs from NATO countries and Europe.
      1. +1
        8 March 2022 07: 08
        According to the information published yesterday by the New York Times, yesterday the Armed Forces of Ukraine received 17 rounds for anti-tank systems and RPGs from NATO countries and Europe.

        Expected ... the question is where are they?
        In combat formations of the Armed Forces of Ukraine or at the border in Poland for delivery to Ukraine?
        How is warehousing and delivery?
        1. 0
          8 March 2022 07: 33
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          According to the information published yesterday by the New York Times, yesterday the Armed Forces of Ukraine received 17 rounds for anti-tank systems and RPGs from NATO countries and Europe.

          Expected ... the question is where are they?
          In combat formations of the Armed Forces of Ukraine or at the border in Poland for delivery to Ukraine?
          How is warehousing and delivery?

          Spanish RPGs have already appeared in the troops. The Swedish ones have not been lit up yet.
          1. +3
            8 March 2022 08: 25
            The grenade launcher is light, comfortable, easy to master. From ambushes and in the city is dangerous, there and 300 meters of range is enough.
          2. 0
            8 March 2022 12: 20
            Quote: Aron Zaavi
            Spanish RPGs have already appeared in the troops. The Swedish ones have not been lit up yet.

            Well, all the same, these RPGs are less dangerous compared to those that hit the roof.
          3. 0
            8 March 2022 13: 29
            In principle, RPGs of this "class" have been in service with the Armed Forces of Ukraine from "the very beginning"; got in the reserves of the USSR ... (RPG-18/22/26) in the same way as the RO "Bumblebees" ... The bottom line is that the Armed Forces of Ukraine lost many warehouses (destroyed, abandoned during the retreat ...), so they wanted a similar overseas freebie! Although ... most likely, the APU wanted more; but here ...: "take what they give!" ...
        2. 0
          8 March 2022 12: 36
          Weapons are delivered by cars and riflemen and RPGs and ATGMs and MANPADS.
        3. 0
          8 March 2022 17: 50
          The key question: "warehousing and delivery" if there is an answer to this question, then it's as easy as shelling pears: take off and that's it. How did they do it in Afghanistan?
    5. 0
      8 March 2022 11: 12
      By the way, yes. Why not use tear gases to smoke out the enemy in urban areas during sweeps? There are fewer casualties among the civilian population, and it will be more difficult for the enemy to sit in their positions.
    6. +1
      8 March 2022 13: 56
      It is interesting how in this context their so-called. "neutral" status?

      After all, a really neutral country should either not supply weapons to anyone, or to ALL participants in the conflict. And on the territory of the former united Ukraine, during the 8-year civil war, these are the Kiev rebels and the population of the Republics of Novorossiya. And if "neutral" Stockholm considers their territory "Ukrainian", then it would have to supply Carl Gustavs to both Donetsk and Lugansk ...

      Those. To ALL participants of the Minsk agreements....
    7. 0
      8 March 2022 17: 44
      Before you "throw bird cherry" you need to know where. And if you know which attic they sit in. We'll figure it out even without the "cherry".
  2. -10
    8 March 2022 04: 37
    For its characteristics, a rather bulky grenade launcher. It will interfere with draping, bad for the ukrovermacht in short.

    Sea water in antimass to refresh the back standing?
    1. 0
      8 March 2022 12: 42
      It is needed for shooting indoors, but this grenade launcher is quite modern and poses a serious danger to our light armored vehicles
      the EU and the US are also supplying thousands of upgraded M72s
      1. 0
        8 March 2022 13: 09
        Quote: Vadim237
        Needed for shooting indoors

        I'm talking about sea water, what's the catch?
        1. +1
          8 March 2022 13: 39
          Higher density than ordinary water - more effective as a counterweight. And the flame is better extinguished.
          1. +1
            8 March 2022 13: 55
            Quote: Bolt Cutter
            Higher density than ordinary water - more effective as a counterweight. And the flame is better extinguished.
            This is true, but a difference of 30 kg per ton gives 30 grams per kilo, completely insignificant. As for the flame, I don't know, maybe.
  3. +14
    8 March 2022 04: 38
    Any armament of the enemy is a risk for our servicemen. I am not an expert in this matter. But for a fight in urban areas, I think it's a good option. And yet, the author needs to go on a business trip to Mariupol, for example, to show by example how it is, not to overestimate the strength of the enemy.
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    2. -2
      8 March 2022 05: 45
      Do bots have a payday?) What touches. They themselves do not believe in it, but they continue to post this nonsense here)
      1. 0
        8 March 2022 08: 44
        Do you think that's how it was planned? I also have questions for Shoigu. Just a good guy in the taiga ... Major General was lost yesterday near Kharkov.
        Pasha Grachev still graduated from the academy ... but how did it happen
        1. 0
          8 March 2022 09: 08
          So why not in the General Staff with your questions? This is war, not football. And this is not a discussion of the team. Fighting generals sometimes die. That's not news. Is there something that doesn't suit you? Your grief. The Ministry of Defense does its job calmly grinding the remnants of the APU. Everything else is definitely none of your business.
          1. 0
            8 March 2022 09: 14
            Quote: carstorm 11
            So why not in the General Staff with your questions? This is war, not football. And this is not a discussion of the team. Fighting generals sometimes die. That's not news. Is there something that doesn't suit you? Your grief. The Ministry of Defense does its job calmly grinding the remnants of the APU. Everything else is definitely none of your business.

            It doesn't look like a leftover.

            By military formations (brigades) location at the moment:
            - 1st tank Chernihiv (PPD) are fighting at home;
            - 10th mountain assault - Kolomiya, Iv-Frankivsk region. (PPD);
            - 17th Panzer - Kr. Horn (PPD), possibly mehbat in the OOS;
            - 24th Motorized Brigade - Luhansk, for example;
            - 28th Motorized Rifle Brigade - Odessa (RPD);
            - 30th Motorized Brigade - Donetsk, for example;
            - 53rd Motorized Rifle Brigade - Severodonetsk / Lysichansk (PPD), in battles;
            - 54th Motorized Brigade - Artyomovsk (Bakhmut) (RPD), in battles;
            - 56th Motorized Rifle Brigade - Mariupol (PPD), in battles;
            - 57th Motorized Rifle Brigade - Luhansk, for example;
            - 58th Motorized Rifle Brigade - Sumy, Glukhov, Konotop;
            - 59th Motorized Rifle Brigade - Nikolaev;
            - 72nd Motorized Brigade - Kyiv region, Brovary;
            - 92nd Motorized Brigade - Kharkov;
            - 93rd Motorized Brigade - Sumy, Akhtyrka;
            - 128th OGPBr - Donbass (it is not known exactly where);
            VDV:
            - 25th OPBR - Avdiivka/Balakleya;
            - 79th ODShBr - Severodonetsk;
            - 80th OAMBr - Lviv (RPD);
            - 81st ODShBr - Raisins;
            - 95th ODShBr - Gorlovka;
            Kievskoe: 72nd Motorized Brigade,
            Chernihiv - Kharkiv: 1st Tank, 58th OMPB, 92nd Motorized Brigade, 93rd Motorized Brigade, 81st Airborne Brigade
            LDNR: 24th Motorized Rifle Brigade, 30th Motorized Rifle Brigade, 53rd Motorized Rifle Brigade, 54th Motorized Rifle Brigade, 56th Motorized Rifle Brigade, 57th Motorized Rifle Brigade, 25th Motorized Rifle Brigade, 79th Airborne Brigade, 95th Airborne Brigade
            Dnieper: 17th Panzer
            Nikolaev: 28th Motorized Rifle Brigade, 59th Motorized Rifle Brigade,

            West/Reserve: 10th Mountain Assault, 80th OAMBR.

            During the first week of the war, 150 reservists of the 1st stage were called up in the Armed Forces of Ukraine, who were sent in part of registration for coordination. Today, all personnel brigades have a complete set of l / s exceeding the pre-war one.
            1. +2
              8 March 2022 09: 19
              Well, first of all, you got very excited about 150 thousand) even according to the most optimistic forecasts, this is 100. Secondly, I somehow trust my MO more than the Internet) You can, of course, check each connection for a long time. Starting from the composition, where in every iron they shouted about the shortage to their weapons, which have been cut out for 10 days. But laziness) The grouping in the Donbas is surrounded. In Kyiv, practical too. What's left is what they grind. They apparently collect mercenaries around the world from the fact that everything is fine with them) Including your citizens by the way.
            2. 0
              8 March 2022 09: 28
              Quote: Aron Zaavi
              During the first week of the war, 150 reservists of the 1st stage were called up in the Armed Forces of Ukraine, who were sent in part of registration for coordination

              Someone Liam (also because of the cordon) here wrote about a hundred thousand. You can at least agree there, or something ... otherwise it somehow turns out to be undignified.
              1. +1
                8 March 2022 10: 04
                Quote: Repellent
                Quote: Aron Zaavi
                During the first week of the war, 150 reservists of the 1st stage were called up in the Armed Forces of Ukraine, who were sent in part of registration for coordination

                Someone Liam (also because of the cordon) here wrote about a hundred thousand. You can at least agree there, or something ... otherwise it somehow turns out to be undignified.

                Why did the call stop? In general, the mobile potential of Ukraine is under 700 thousand people. Even if we discard deserters and draft dodgers, they can easily call on 600. It's just that now they have the opportunity not to throw people into the furnace, but to restore the skills of reservists at the training grounds and, as necessary, pour them into the existing brigades. This allows you to save the scrambled core and maintain the payroll.
                By the way, the entire grouping of Russian and Donbass troops, together with the rear, does not exceed 250 thousand people.
                So why should Ukrainians working on defense increase the conscription?
                1. 0
                  8 March 2022 10: 08
                  All this verbiage is easily replaced by one phrase: "I don't own real data." Do not multiply entities Yes
                  1. 0
                    8 March 2022 10: 23
                    Quote: Repellent
                    All this verbiage is easily replaced by one phrase: "I don't own real data." Do not multiply entities Yes

                    Exclusively everything from the Internet. Does the SVR deliver reports to you in the morning? hi
                    1. -1
                      8 March 2022 10: 32
                      Quote: Aron Zaavi
                      Does the SVR deliver reports to you in the morning?

                      No. But, mind you, I am not trying to engage in "analysis" here, as some representatives of small but proud peoples do.
                      1. -1
                        8 March 2022 10: 58
                        Quote: Repellent
                        Quote: Aron Zaavi
                        Does the SVR deliver reports to you in the morning?

                        No. But, mind you, I am not trying to engage in "analysis" here, as some representatives of small but proud peoples do.

                        But it's interesting.
                      2. -1
                        8 March 2022 11: 07
                        Quote: Aron Zaavi
                        But it's interesting

                        Read, sing, dance request laughing
                2. 0
                  9 March 2022 12: 35
                  Quote: Aron Zaavi
                  In general, the mobile potential of Ukraine is under 700 thousand people. Even if we discard deserters and draft dodgers, they can easily call on 600. It's just that now they have the opportunity not to throw people into the furnace, but to restore the skills of reservists at the training grounds and, as necessary, pour them into the existing brigades. This allows you to save the scrambled core and maintain the payroll.

                  Do you really believe that you can create a combat unit in a week from reservists?
            3. +2
              8 March 2022 10: 41
              Quote: Aron Zaavi
              Today, all personnel brigades have a complete set of l / s exceeding the pre-war one.

              They have enough cannon fodder. Well, let's say, guns too, we will consider the Soviet reserves inherited by them to be inexhaustible, although in reality they are finite. Even if there were even heaps of ammunition, although even with this they did not have a shine even before the start of the fighting. But the guns on your hands are not painful to ride, and tracked self-propelled guns even more so. Diesel fuel, however, is needed, and its oil production in the square does not seem to be ah. And for aviation, if there is still one left, or the Poles and other Bulgarians will drive it fresh, kerosene is needed, but not in cans, but in tanks. The question is, how much fuel do they have left? And if it remains, then why is it not burning yet, especially considering that the Russian Aerospace Forces seem to have achieved air supremacy?
              And with machine guns and grenade launchers alone, they won’t fight hard against armor and aviation, even if there are a lot of cartridges and grenades.
              1. -2
                8 March 2022 17: 43
                Quote: Nagan
                They have enough cannon fodder.

                when enough people don’t close the border for people of military age, it’s also clear why the urks released criminals, rapists, etc. from prisons and collect ideological Nazis from abroad, the “formation” of detachments should ensure, under pain of death, participation in the war from those who do not want to fight
            4. -2
              8 March 2022 17: 21
              Quote: Aron Zaavi
              It doesn't look like a leftover.

              no, well, with such power, they should already be near Moscow, as they dreamed, but even it’s not visible
            5. 0
              8 March 2022 22: 13
              The 81st has already been completely destroyed.
  5. +6
    8 March 2022 05: 38
    The more weapons the West supplies to Ukraine, the longer the special operation will last. The longer the special operation lasts, the more victims, refugees and destroyed objects there will be.
    1. -1
      8 March 2022 05: 43
      The more weapons the West supplies to Ukraine, the longer the special operation will last. The longer the special operation lasts, the more victims there will be, including among the civilian population.

      What are your alternatives?
      8 years of negotiations and exhortations by the Nazi regime in Kyiv only led to a worsening of the situation ... and there were no other measures other than a military operation.
      It is necessary ... it is necessary to finish it so that it does not become ... there is no need to interfere with the military ... they know what they are doing.
      1. 0
        8 March 2022 05: 47
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        What are your alternatives?

        Alas, they are practically non-existent.
        Negotiations are a waste of time, because Ukraine has not decided anything for a long time.
        This means that only "the last argument of the kings" is forced to remain.
        1. -1
          8 March 2022 05: 52
          Negotiations are a waste of time, because Ukraine does not decide anything.

          Exactly...it's going to be a difficult time...there is no alternative to that either. hi
          1. 0
            8 March 2022 05: 57
            Quote: Lech from Android.
            this is going to be a difficult time...there is no alternative to that either.

            Unfortunately...
            Lately, the thought has not gone out of my head that all this is a diabolical multi-move project, a project that has stretched out for almost two decades.
            It all started with the very first "Maidan" and ended with Ukraine's latest threats to acquire nuclear weapons. Some forces all this time were invisibly present there and directed events in the direction they needed.
            1. -1
              8 March 2022 06: 03
              Lately, the thought has not gone out of my head that all this is a diabolical multi-move project, a project that has stretched out for almost two decades.

              Everyone sees from their own bell tower... smile
              I also thought about the current situation many times ... there is not enough data array to draw serious conclusions at the philistine level. hi
              1. +2
                8 March 2022 06: 19
                Quote: Lech from Android.
                Everyone sees from their own bell tower ..

                This is so.
                But I am closely following the events, starting from the first "Maidan", which was born and took place before my eyes in one of the regional centers of Ukraine.
                Over the years, as facts accumulated, a picture of the overall design gradually began to form.
                So I came to the hypothesis that both "Maidan", and all the events that took place before and after them, as well as the sabotage of "Minsk-2" are links in one long chain.
                The purpose is quite clear.
                1. +3
                  8 March 2022 07: 48
                  Quote: Comrade
                  But I am closely following the events, starting from the first "Maidan", which was born and took place before my eyes in one of the regional centers of Ukraine.

                  Naturally! Somehow everyone forgets who Yushchenko's wife was. How they “accidentally” met on the plane, who she was brought up with and where she later worked. It was from that time that propaganda about the exceptional Ukrainian nation and "Jesus Christ was a Ukrainian" began. On the sly, the fooling of the people began. Everyone who wanted to, successfully profited from this topic. All those who opposed, like the historian P. Tolochko, were expelled from work. New textbooks were urgently written, and so on. The United States had already begun its active work.
      2. +1
        8 March 2022 05: 56
        And who interferes with the military? Are we commenting on VO? Most likely politicians, you military personnel complete the task and so that no one gets hurt!
      3. +5
        8 March 2022 06: 01
        I agree that the military should not interfere! But politicians also need to be less confused under the feet of the military! What this leads to, we all saw it in Chechnya. They gave the task to the military - they have the cards in their hands!
      4. +1
        8 March 2022 06: 09
        We’ve only been waiting for 8 years. This conflict began in 14. Bring peacekeepers into the line of fire. Then replace UN peacekeepers. They framed Russia then. Now who will rake xs
        1. +3
          8 March 2022 06: 12
          now rake xs who will

          A rhetorical question ...
          then replaced by UN peacekeepers.

          This is not necessary ... In Yugoslavia, UN peacekeepers helped the Kosovars behind the scenes in the genocide of the Serbs ... they have no faith.
          1. -5
            8 March 2022 06: 13
            bring in the troops again. who shoots the square to destroy.
            1. +3
              8 March 2022 06: 50
              Nadir.
              Your statements are not clear.
              Looks like you're using a translation program.
              You to understand the situation.
              Only professional military personnel take part in the current operation carried out by units of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.
              hi
              1. -4
                8 March 2022 06: 53
                I answered another comment. I can believe. Of course (first the exercises and then the special operation lol ) you probably do not live in Russia. believe everything
                1. +5
                  8 March 2022 06: 56
                  I served in the USSR army.
                  My relatives live in the cities of Kherson, Donetsk, Kharkov.
                  I know the situation in both countries.
                  I have no reason to have fun, unlike you.
                  1. -2
                    8 March 2022 07: 14
                    you know, it’s great that there are conscripts there. and who’s having fun? this is a smiley. the relationship of the country’s leadership to its people. no more.
                2. -2
                  8 March 2022 06: 59
                  Quote: Nadir
                  I have been on this site for 7 years if not more

                  And the mind-mind has not yet gained.

                  Quote: Livonetc
                  Reasons to have fun, unlike you, I have no

                  Don't feed the troll and it will die on its own.
      5. +1
        8 March 2022 09: 25
        Alternative options? Yes, please: develop your country in economic and socio-political terms, increasing the prosperity and well-being of all its citizens, to such an extent that the neighbors look at it, and not at the west. And not to keep it (your country) in a state where "there is no money, but you stay there", and "pasta is the same everywhere" ... despite the fact that "people especially needed by the country" are building nobody's palaces and yachts the size of a convoy aircraft carrier of the second world war ... Not? You can not do it this way? In this direction - a taboo?
        1. -2
          8 March 2022 10: 03
          Quote: Snail N9
          Alternative options? Yes please

          The invertebrate pushed for a long time, and finally relieved. Everything, as usual, apparently, no new "ideas" have yet been delivered to the whiners' factory "for all the good" wassat

          I note that the voiced ideas sound especially piquant in the current situation of a total economic war with "partners". But, apparently, it takes a long time to reach invertebrates. If it comes at all.
          1. +2
            8 March 2022 12: 36
            Not "invertebrates" for 30 years something interfered. Oh yes, the "total economic war" with the "partners" interfered. Yeah.
            1. -3
              8 March 2022 12: 51
              Quote: Snail N9
              Something interfered with non-invertebrates for 30 years

              Clear. Say something unexpected, fresh... No? Well, when they bring you in - come in Yes
  6. -2
    8 March 2022 06: 02
    For me, the article is useful only in one way. Sweden put a minus. Perhaps this will not affect the fate of this country. But the disadvantages that I put to the former Ukraine have now become its karma. For Chechnya, for Georgia, for the LDNR. Never sorry. "Karma" is cruel, but fair.
  7. 0
    8 March 2022 06: 19
    So what? Who else is drowning for IKEA? I think this SWEDISH brand will never come back to us. They won't.
    1. -2
      8 March 2022 12: 49
      But IKEA did not leave, like 80% of all foreign offices, it simply suspended work in Russia.
  8. -6
    8 March 2022 06: 50
    The fact that the Armed Forces of Ukraine have Swedish anti-tank weapons means, among other things, that they will soon appear in service with the NM LDNR. English and American are already there.
  9. +1
    8 March 2022 07: 12
    So who wants war the most?
    After all, it is already clear and understandable that Russia is crushing both the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the Nazis, but someone wants to continue the "banquet" so that as many people as possible die.
  10. -1
    8 March 2022 07: 52
    Recognize the Swedes as accomplices of the Nazis with all the consequences.
    1. -1
      26 March 2022 13: 17
      All Nazis but us? This is a direct path to the Third Reich.
      1. 0
        26 March 2022 13: 21
        Well, no need to distort, besides these Western woodpeckers, a lot of adequate people live on earth. So with the Reich past the cash register. fool
        As I understand it, you are one of the Cossacks who have been mishandled and are still sleeping, so you need a peacemaker on the site, they are clustered there.
        1. 0
          27 March 2022 21: 09
          Certainly ! The Third Reich also had a bunch of adequate people, Italians, Japanese, Spaniards. True, it did not help him much.
          So to the point. The bull's eye.
  11. +1
    8 March 2022 08: 37
    The approval of the American army made her good publicity.

    Ukraine will make her anti-advertising.
    1. -3
      8 March 2022 12: 51
      Considering how much our technicians lose every day - basically throwing an advertisement for a grenade launcher will be excellent, albeit a left one.
  12. 0
    8 March 2022 09: 04
    A different range of means of destruction leads to the complication of training operators. With one RPG-7, it took up to 10 shots per person to teach just a fighter (not a grant thrower) to hit an elephant. For submachine gunners, there is a template break that the wind correction for RPGs must be taken downwind, and not against the wind. So presence is bad, diversity is good.
    And everyone will be responsible for the deliveries.
  13. +2
    8 March 2022 09: 16
    Grenade launcher with medium performance characteristics. It does not represent anything better than the RPG-7. It's just that many and more soldiers can be armed.
    A good thing, trouble-free but nothing special.
    1. +4
      8 March 2022 12: 20
      Quote: Shlepa
      It does not represent anything better than the RPG-7.
      This is their fly.
  14. 0
    8 March 2022 09: 25
    This fact and the risks associated with it must be taken into account in the further planning and implementation of new demilitarization measures.

    These AT-4s and other man-portable complexes of the Western countries are supplied to Ukraine mainly for the conduct of hostilities by Bandera formations in the post-war period, on the territory of Ukraine and Russia, to destabilize peaceful life and intimidate the population. The methods are the same as after 1944, only the weapons have become modern.
  15. -1
    8 March 2022 10: 25
    The Swedes do not miss the moment to make money in the war, they, like jackals, smelled the smell of blood and rushed to earn their loot on the dead.
    1. +1
      8 March 2022 20: 03
      Let me ask you, how do arms manufacturers make money? Isn't it on the blood? I don’t see the difference between earnings before bloodshed and during
  16. -1
    8 March 2022 10: 50
    Thank you, of course, but we will soon have nowhere to put them. Guys, you spoil us.)))
  17. -1
    8 March 2022 12: 16
    In it, the starting charge is supplemented by a container of sea water. When fired, the container is destroyed, and the liquid flies out through the rear nozzle, acting as a counter-mass and extinguishing the flame.
    A stupid idea: you have to carry this water on yourself, and all the benefits - the flame extinguishes, the back should still be empty.
    1. +1
      8 March 2022 13: 51
      the back should still be empty.
      Can be applied from buildings.
  18. +2
    8 March 2022 12: 43
    And photos from the M72 LAU also appeared. This means that the supply channels for at least "portable weapons" are working, and somewhere only a week passes from the decision on the supply to the appearance of weapons in the troops.

    I wonder what else will be thrown? It seems that now the United States is convincing Poland to transfer the MIG29 (IMHO, they will convince them, they will offer either F16 or F35, MIGs 29 are already "at the end of their resource" anyway), maybe they will take MIG29 from someone else?
    Probably, in addition to MANPADS, air defense systems such as OSA, TOR, BUK from other countries will appear.

    Well, by the summer they will drag something "heavy", IMHO, such as options for self-propelled guns 122/152, BTR60/70/80 and T64/72/80 tanks, if there is no peace. As soon as the earth dries up.

    AT4 and other anti-tank weapons can pose a certain danger to our equipment. However, protection against such threats is quite possible, and there are appropriate methods and means.
    What, interestingly, besides a tank in a certain projection, can, according to the author, painlessly survive AT4? Infantry fighting vehicles, armored personnel carriers or our variants of MCI? Or maybe a "filler" with fuel?
    1. +1
      8 March 2022 20: 12
      I think they will start supplying more anti-tank systems. This massacre will develop into partisanism, and there are more than enough Bassoons and Competitions in the world.
      1. +2
        9 March 2022 00: 37
        There are few bassoons and Kornets on the market available for NATO, IMHO, they will manage their own, we have to wait for Milan and new batches of Javelins.
        Maybe TOU, but very inconvenient, IMHO a big contraption.

        And everything is more fun with airplanes: "Poland does not have the ability to independently supply Ukraine with MiG-29 fighters, said Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki. According to him, the decision on the supply of offensive weapons to Ukraine should be made at the level of the entire NATO. Earlier, the Polish Foreign Ministry said that the country is ready to transfer its MiG-29 fighters to the US and deliver them to the Ramstein airbase.
        “It must be emphasized that Poland is not a party to this war, and NATO is not a party to this war. Therefore, decisions regarding the supply of offensive weapons should be made at the level of the entire NATO. Therefore, in fact, we are ready to transfer part of our fighters to Ramstein (US air base in Germany. - Kommersant), but we are not ready for any independent steps, ”said Mr. Morawiecki (quoted by RIA Novosti). "
        https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/5249970
        In general, Poland will give NATO, and let NATO (USA) decide.
        "Attention, a question for experts": what will NATO decide?

        Strange, "the isolation of the battlefield" is not visible, trains and cars in western Ukraine travel calmly.
        So a bunch of armored vehicles / air defense can be collected in the Polish forest, overtaken over the fence to Ukraine and it will become Ukrainian.
  19. 0
    8 March 2022 13: 38
    Miscellaneous weapons began to enter Ukraine through the anus. And this despite the fact that Hitler's money ran out.
    1. -1
      8 March 2022 15: 07
      Moreover, a lot of weapons come in - and the EU and the USA will not run out of money, they print them and produce weapons.
  20. +2
    8 March 2022 17: 31
    In my opinion, this is a malicious Gydost. Just for focal defense. They will cover 1-2 armored personnel carriers and go. In an open field, these AT4s are not very effective, and for combat in a city they are very comfortable.
  21. 0
    8 March 2022 22: 15
    And why exactly the sea? Fresh or salted will not work? And from which sea, ocean are they recruiting? Salt composition is different everywhere.
  22. 0
    9 March 2022 20: 06
    It seems that the article was not particularly corrected after auto-translation. Grenades, limited grenade power, etc.